Old Gens OU

[vivid kraken]

coz like everything is really powerful and u cant really rely on these guys to give you enough value

paired together on that specific structure of course

[rustic lintel]

Give ttar stealth rock instead over fire blast and replace swamp with gastrodon

also air ballon on heatran

and some psy stab on jirachi

you could also do sash on heatran and ttar but that depends on what you're facing

I'd also try limiting your ground weakness some as none of your pokemon will either live a hit and do any damge or not hit hard enough with their coverage and just get swept

[upper plume]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059714627384115290

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/6dd2888031c09772

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

The evs on mag is for outspeeding and 2hkoing mmawile

I just thought this could be useful

Since i'm so weak to it

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[swift arch]

https://pokepast.es/bc908bf98c029295 updated

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

go xard for latios and ditto for kart, BOOM, you have one of the best teams of all time

🔥

[raw hornet]

no.

I wanna build with latios not that black loser

[quartz remnant]

whoa whoa whoa

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[raw hornet]

What

Xard is black

And a lsoer

Loser

He's hence a black loser

[tall wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/can't-argue-with-that-can-not-argue-with-that-brooklyn-99-brook-brooklyn-nine-nine-gif-15988785496298845681

[vivid kraken]

this is a cm reuni team actually

if you would like me to go into the logist of the team idm

[storm nebula]

What sort of support does Pinsir require? Also, what defensive core do you think would work well with Pinsir for a balance team

[vivid kraken]

id say because its hazard weak and set sweep oriented, a prime example of pinsir excelling in sm is the ho mew mage serp volc pinsir dnite, because the rzns ive said above then pair it with adequate support

pinsir on a balance team huh

[storm nebula]

Ah okay thanks sm

Yeah, is that a viable team or not rlly

Balance is probably the playstyle I feel most comfortable with

[vivid kraken]

idk if i can see it happening tbh, i just dont think it works because of pinsir just really asking for a faster paced game, and not so much a balanced playstyle

[vivid kraken]

the ho? yeah

[storm nebula]

Oh okay thanks

Whatbalance core would u recommend instead of tran ferro clef?

I get the point you made for sure, it has a ton of trouble with char y especially and sometimes mega pinsir

[vivid kraken]

defensive core?

[storm nebula]

Yeah

[vivid kraken]

a lot of options tbh

maybe

zor + cress/slowbro

just an example of something thats staple in the meta

[storm nebula]

Oh damn

My knowledge must be outdated asf I thought those mons were mid ngl

What megas do you recommend? I quite like mega medicham on balance teams

[vivid kraken]

well i personally have not made a vr

[vivid kraken]

ok well balance specific?

definitely you can fit a lot of megas on a balanced structure

xard latias, zor

[storm nebula]

Okay cool tysm

Ima try out a couple teams on showdown, probs a HO mpinsir team and a balance zor or xard team

[swift ginkgo]

?

[raw hornet]

Charizard x guys !!

He's the black loser

[raw hornet]

Well i built it myself so it's mine now

[raw hornet]

Well not really mine but i didnt took inspiration from his team

I didnt even knew this team was built before

[vivid kraken]

Np

[valid spindle]

could i get my swsh ou team rated https://pokepast.es/021f52fd1301a3f9

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[valid spindle]

ive also considered mag to deal with corv and maybe corv instead of slowbro

i liked scarf kart specs lele and nidoking so just wanted to build around those 3

and i feel kinda corv weak

[tender coral]

highly recommend dropping psychic on Lele for thunderbolt to deal with Corv + Pex cores pivoting around you

[valid spindle]

oh wait yeah tbolt

[tender coral]

drop icy wind for knock off on Torn imo

Chomp matchup isn't great, but scarf Kartana can at least revenge kill it

[valid spindle]

ah ok

is ice beam or toxic slowbro worth it

[tender coral]

AV Reuni stalls do absolutely eat you alive, but it's something that requires completely rehauling your team to fix without making it weak to other matchups

[valid spindle]

like what would i have to change

[tender coral]

not really with this team I think

[tender coral]

something like this would be interesting if you're intent on sticking with the specs Lele + future sight Slowbro + strong physical scarfer concept: https://pokepast.es/5b67d3cadac2c6e7

obviously an entirely different team though

and yes the Heatran set is unholy but it does what it needs to do here

[low jasper]

Honestly I think lele should be scarf instead, making slowbro specially defensive, ferrothorn (with gyroball) > blissey. I don’t think Torn needs heatwave here either just make it cane. Kart can be another cleaner.

That’s my vision at least but there would have to be a few changes

[tender coral]

just use mixed Slowking instead

[low jasper]

Yeah

[tender coral]

EVs work in a way where mixed Slowking is usually slightly better than spdef Slowbro

[valid spindle]

woudl slowking be better than slowbro

[low jasper]

No still slowbro

[valid spindle]

ah ok

o

[low jasper]

Scarf lele also eases the chomp issue

Ferro helps vs weave which you also struggle against currently

[valid spindle]

would kart still need to be scarf

[tender coral]

not really, one scale shot because you don't have the balls to switch Lele hard into +2 Chomp and it's Joever

[valid spindle]

that heatran set is fire

[low jasper]

Don’t you just teleport into lele

[tender coral]

Chomp outspeeds scarf Lele after a scale shot

you need to catch the scale shot turn with Lele

which is uhhh easier said than done

[valid spindle]

https://pokepast.es/d52d3635a29632de

something like this?

[low jasper]

Would the gyroball phydef ferro help with that

I think kart can be something else personally

[valid spindle]

protective pads could be really nice

its the only physical attacker so not getting static or flame bodied is nice

[tender coral]

+2 252 Atk Garchomp Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 340-400 (96.5 - 113.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

[valid spindle]

occa berry 🔥

focus sash ferrothron lowkey

[low jasper]

Oh yeah fire fang

[tender coral]

I personally think that the team needs an overhaul if you want it to be 'good'

this isn't shit by any means though

[low jasper]

Yeah

Nidoking is hard to build with

[valid spindle]

how should we overhaul it

[low jasper]

It doesn’t check koko properly either so you are kinda forced into awkward thoughts when building.

[tender coral]

@valid spindle you can try out something like this

[valid spindle]

okk

[tender coral]

depends on the set, a lot of Kokos drop u-turn nowadays

[low jasper]

It’s 4kod by gleam iirc

[valid spindle]

what is the heatran set for exactly

[tender coral]

I mean you're probably eating good if you Nidoking gets to come in four times against a Koko team...

[tender coral]

checking Weavile and helping Slowbro out against Melm while not being hapless into Lele/Pult

[valid spindle]

ohh

[tender coral]

also has lava plume + toxic to annoy most of its checks

[valid spindle]

oh thats sick af actually

do u have a team with nidoking i kinda wanna use him too

[tender coral]

https://pokepast.es/5653148b6446d8e4

the Slowbro can be colbur, just watch out for hazard stacks

[valid spindle]

thank you 🙏

[mint epoch]

https://pokepast.es/fd05cb0a9b654dd4
made a gen 6 team based around one of my favorite mega evolutions: sharpedo

quick note that talonflames ability should be gale wings

[upper plume]

is this for oras ou?

[mint epoch]

yep!

although looking at it and after playing with it for a bit i am noticing some issues (terrible into physical walls, no good way to deal with skarmory or ferrothorn, no hazard removal or hazard mitigation, etc)

i was thinking on maybe if i should swap out klefki for skarmory or add a special attacking fire type into the mix just to help the balance and make it better into physical walls and hazards

[mint epoch]

i decided to add a life orb nasty plot thunderbolt hp-ice focus blast thundurus-i to replace talonflame

this circumvents the bad skarmory and ferrothorn matchups and provides the team with a good special attacker

[ionic rapids]

https://pokepast.es/14030fe16ea4fd6a

this is like my 2nd time teambuilding but 1st time for old gen ou (gen 8)

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

you may want to ask in the ORAS OU Discord server, as we don't have consistent ORAS OU raters

[mint epoch]

oh nws thx

[karmic geyser]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[mint epoch]

do you mind sending me the inv in dms?

[karmic geyser]

OU (Gen 6)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[mint epoch]

ty!

[storm nebula]

https://pokepast.es/4e94d46c17ece030 gen7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

This team is a known one and is a good 6

[storm nebula]

Okay cool, a friend recommended it to me

Any advice on how it’s usually played?

[quartz remnant]

same question ^

although if u wanna see some gameplay with commentary using this team zinnias made a youtube video

[storm nebula]

Okay cool tysm

Is the YouTube account just called zinnias?

[quartz remnant]

hey, id recommend going to oras server for rates as its much more active

and just oras talk

[quartz remnant]

dms

[hardy rose]

Heyo

[untold oak]

https://pokepast.es/cc9225405b317d28 thoughts on my gen 5 ou team?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @upper plume, @inner mist, @worldly walrus, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

Why LO Keldeo and CM on Scarf Lati?

[untold oak]

Idk why lo keldeo, just seemed like the right thing to do. But cm on lati because I can trick scarf and setup

[inner mist]

CM on Scarf just feels awkward to use. You use Scarf for speed control but you do usually trick Scarf by impulse

[karmic geyser]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[tall wedge]

This should be in NatDex rates

[ionic rapids]

apologies

[upper plume]

You should have a coverage move so that you dont instantly lose to Dragons or Jellicent

[vivid kraken]

this skype team

[storm nebula]

Yeah

I’ve been tryna find replays on how to use it but I’ve only found one commentary of zinnia using the team

[vivid kraken]

Tbh

I dont think theres a linear way to use a team tbh

Everything is mu dependent

U just gotta learn to strategize through the ins and outs of certain mus

Learn to control the game state and such, manage risk

Basically just get a feel of what youre dealing with and what your dealt with (should know how to based on random excruciating variables like trading x for x or maybe being proactive about certain shit)

[prime hull]

https://pokepast.es/c78d5d60e1ca769c gen7

[quartz jacinth]

https://pokepast.es/d9f20c3096840ebc Gen 8 OU Victini Boots BO/balance hoping for advice with EV spreads and natures.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low jasper]

Power whip on ferro for stuff like fini and gastro over body press and I think you’ll get more out of running helmet on it for weavile (especially since your pex is more spdef) and to punish shifu harder.

2. Run glaciate/wisp on victini > thunder wave much more useful you punish switch ins like chomp/ Lando

3. I feel pult can be something else as you lack a win condition especially a physical one I feel dnite would serve you well here.

Also because scarf lele is already decent speed control

[quartz jacinth]

Any special wincons worth using instead because atm how i try to win is to soften them up with either pult or lele then clean with the other. Like i feel like just scarf lele might by itself might have trouble dealing with special walls and just be a cleaner no?

[mighty glacier]

I think I'd prolly run sash rock tomb excadrill with electric Z offensive zapdos and I'd go serp over fini idk abt the gren set either tbh

Also not sure if zapdos is needed since u got a thundurus maybe I'd go one or the other and put celeb Z victini instead of zapdos

[peak ivy]

https://pokepast.es/4c12e04021f2a5f6 DPP

trying to make a roserade team for funsies

[upper plume]

you don't really have much for Jirachi

Zong should have EQ

[peak ivy]

real. i'll swap out grass knot

[upper plume]

DD Gyara is also a bit of a concern

[peak ivy]

yes it is. this has been a consistent issue i have noticed

and historically i make teams that are bad against gyarados

i feel like i should change heatran somehow?? different mon entirely or at least a different set?

[prime hull]

Ahh alr thx

[prime hull]

But this team is now HO Which am not so comfortable using

[mighty glacier]

It's good to learn how to pilot ho tbh

And also mega pinsir I don't recommend using outside of ho

[prime hull]

ooh

alr ill give it a try thx

[frail igloo]

https://pokepast.es/3c9966c06f617774 is this team any good? first time building a team, so not sure what i might be messing up with or doing right.

[frail igloo]

i should mention this is a gen 1 only team

[timber lance]

1. what tier is this for
2. if ur saying you can only use gen 1 pokes then we can't rate it

!nolegends

[karmic geyser]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1030567099703242903

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for formats hosted on the Smogon forums, such as VGC and OU.

Additionally, do not ask for assistance with fangames, Minecraft/Roblox mods, or other such titles. These games/mods do not have feature parity with actual Pokémon games or Smogon's National Dex formats, and are often played with arbitrary rulesets.

[upper plume]

There is no tier that only has gen 1 Pokemon and has items. We will not rate this team because it is not intended to be played under known Smogon metagames (RBY OU or Let's Go OU)

[frail igloo]

my bad just now learning everything didnt know about it all and thought this would be the chat to ask in. me an a friend are going through all the games from gen 1-9 and we trying to my comp teams to use against each other thats why its gen 1 only the mega is on there cause we using lets go pikachu as its easier to transfer pokes from. again my bad for posting in the wrong channel

would there be another chat i could use for this or is there none?

[upper plume]

If you intend for this team to be a Let's Go OU team, we can help you, but if not, then there is no chat in this server that you can use

[frail igloo]

yeah it is, any advise for the team would be nice. sorry for the confusion

[upper plume]

Alright then I'll ask @cyan ether to look at the team

Though from my rudimentary understanding of Let's Go, it doesn't appear to be that good

[timber lance]

likewise

I know for a fact Hitmonlee is useless in lets go OU

and pikachu isn't great

[frail igloo]

okay okay this is good to know im basically a noob with all this

[cyan ether]

this isnt a lets go team

there are items and evs and moves that dont exist

@upper plume

[upper plume]

yeah I noticed

like Sleep Talk isn't in the game tmk

[cyan ether]

or spin or mach or

0 of those movesets are legal

[upper plume]

is swords dance zard x not legal?

[cyan ether]

correct

[frail igloo]

yeah i was trying some moves out on showdown thats why they have stats and items i didnt see any let go ou format on showdown so was using gen 6 ou. that be why the moves are what they are didnt realise some wasnt in go

[cyan ether]

"[Gen 7 Let's Go] OU" is what you're looking for

[frail igloo]

my bad as i said im a noob with all this sorry for wasting peoples time

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/e41f1cdd3178d0a0 Gen 7 OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

DD Zard X + Weavile Offense

[vivid kraken]

u kind of just slapped a bo structure with lando ferro xard weavile

i think these really
ask for different things when it comes to these things

like clef and rotom

i can see some form of a rationale for clef but i dont really think it fits here fwiw

tbh i think with the xard vile core u wanna go with something that paces better with it

so maybe serp > ferro

heatran > rotom, fini > clef

[vale lagoon]

Heya! Sorry to bother, but I was wondering what sets I should run on Serp, Fini, and Heatran. All 3 seem to be able to run taunt, 3 teammates can also run defog.

Should I drop defog on Lando in favor of another move?

Thanks for your help with the team suggestions though! Appreciate it!

[vivid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/66bed573cea3bcfd

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty, thanks!

Appreciate you helping me with the team :D

[rustic lintel]

Gen 5 OU Half Sand
Works well both in and out of sandstorm
https://pokepast.es/9bce49ee67982e50

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @upper plume, @inner mist, @worldly walrus, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner mist]

I would not recommend using Lucario and Mienshao

If you really need a fighting type on your Sand team, I would use Terrakion

Or Keldeo

https://pokepast.es/250edefbcef2a66a

https://pokepast.es/4160e0ea5b56a9da

[upper plume]

That Reuniclus set (Life Orb) is uncommon at best, and Reuniclus is at its best when supported by Spikes, which you lack

[inner mist]

Yeah, CM is generally preferred now.

And even then Reun works when you have a ton of residual damage

Generally speaking Reun + Fighters just have awkward synergy since they do opposite things

[upper plume]

I would drop the two Fighters, pick up a Spiking Steel (either Skarmory or Ferrothorn, depending on which you prefer), make your Landorus-T bulkier and give it Stealth Rock instead of Rock Slide, and then add a Scarfer to clean up

because currently Latios and other Dragons put in serious work on this team

[inner mist]

Honestly, I don't even think it's worth overhauling this team, it's better to start from scratch

[upper plume]

I wouldn't be opposed to that either

which Pokemon are you trying to build around?

[inner mist]

Hmm if I were to guess I would assume that he wanted to build a balance team

But the thing is building Sand Balance is super autopilot

[upper plume]

@rustic lintel

[inner mist]

So I assumed he either wanted to build around Reun or around a Fighting-type

And as I said earlier, Lucario/Mienshao are fringe options that I would not recommend to beginners

[rustic lintel]

Shao is lead most often into ttar for rocks or landorust for intimidate

[inner mist]

Ok, but that's not the question

The question is what you are building around

[rustic lintel]

I'm not building around any one mon

[inner mist]

So you don't have a core idea

[upper plume]

are you just new to BW OU?

[inner mist]

If you don't then you are basically building a team with no synergy

[rustic lintel]

Nope

[inner mist]

At that point you may as well start with using the samples before trying your own hand

[rustic lintel]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ou-2289223373

[upper plume]

you may want to choose a Pokemon to build your team around

it gives your teambuilding more focus

because right now a Colbur Latios farms here

[inner mist]

You are using an extremely low level game to justify your team

[rustic lintel]

You said they don't have synergy🤷‍♀️

[inner mist]

But you are playing on low ladder

Against any competent player, this team falls apart

I really hope you didn't come here to argue

[rustic lintel]

I didn't

I showed a team I made

[inner mist]

What?

[rustic lintel]

You started nitpicking and critiquing

[upper plume]

the goal of #1051236342740308089 is to improve the team to where you can be more successful

[inner mist]

That's what this channel is for

If you are here to argue then you shouldn't post

[upper plume]

we don't believe Mienshao and Lucario will help you be successful

because they have little defensive utility and are outclassed on sand by other Fighting-types

and they leave you with a flawed team

[rustic lintel]

I'm not here to argue

[inner mist]

But you aren't taking any of my advice

[rustic lintel]

Did I ask for it?

[inner mist]

...

[swift ginkgo]

^ if you post in rmt youre expected to take the feedback your team recieves as its rate my time

team*

[inner mist]

At this point why am I wasting my time

People post for feedback

If you are getting this defensive then I don't know what to tell you

[swift ginkgo]

@tropic schooner

[upper plume]

your team should have more defenses against Dragons imo

[tall wedge]

It’s implied you’re asking for it if you’re posting here

[tropic schooner]

okay if u dont want feedback then dont come to rmt

if u keep on insisting u are on the right (which you arent) you will get some time to think about it

:P

[tender coral]

@rustic lintel if you're looking to just share your team with others and explain how it works, you can do it in channels like #comp-general or #comp-general-2 - those channels are more discussion-based than this one, which is for players looking for teambuilding advice

[vivid kraken]

Yeah of course

[polar mesa]

https://pokepast.es/b747e404e687ae51

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty glacier]

@rugged fossil

[rugged fossil]

i dont rate

[mighty glacier]

But ur a good enough builder to rate

[vivid kraken]

couldve asked me

but here we are..

[quartz remnant]

😭 😭 😭

he doesnt wanna bro

[prime hull]

https://pokepast.es/c17954377ae6c39d tried making a simple to use HO team am still new to teambuilding

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty glacier]

Could've should've wouldve

[mighty glacier]

If u want screens go screens koko , char Y also looks very out of place here I'd probably go char X here then u could go water Z rain dance manaphy over Mew and I'd probably go serp>breloom altho breloom can work , most games it won't since koko and lele are on almost every team

You also have ur own electric terrain that could shut down spore

[prime hull]

ahh alr

thx

[frosty plover]

Hello! I made this RBY OU team with the idea of 'setting the stage for Venusaur', wanting to have the other 5 either crippling or KOing any of Venusaur's threats before revealing Venusaur and having them setup and sweep, however I've gotten to around 1200 score, and am finding myself falling lower and losing more consistently lately, and I want to know what it is I'm doing wrong, and wanting to learn more on how to fit Venusaur on an RBY OU team more effectively

https://pokepast.es/7a3daaedc8355b22

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 1] OU RMT @red delta, @kind shadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[kind shadow]

This team is very bad into Zapdos and Reflect Snorlax, the most common Venusaur structure is the "Gardener" structure that Kenix developed. https://pokepast.es/d4365fca806f6079 Although it's very hard to pilot and not suited for beginners

I recommend not using hard to use niche Pokemon until you are confident and well learned in the tier

[frosty plover]

Yeah, I knew once I finished building the team that I didn't have anything for Zapdos, since I was so focused on checking and countering as many Psychic and Ice types as I could. I understand that I most likely shouldn't be using Venusaur, however I really want to learn more with how to team build myself and be able to do it more effectively. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the general mechanics for the RBY OU metagame, though it seems I might have to do more studying. Do you know where the best place is to learn how to team build for RBY OU?

[timber lance]

Tbh teambuilding for rby boils down to good set knowledge and knowing exactly what you're weak to

And also how different sets work in tandem with one another

For instance, using zapdos immediately makes your team worse into rhydon, meaning you want a good rhydon answer, usually eggie

It's deceptively tough

The example I mentioned is a very surface level thing

Regardless yeah as said above venu is pretty niche and is very difficult to get into a position where it can start to become really threatening

As is the case with all SD users

You can ask in the rby discord tbh

They can help you out more with teambuilding

[quartz remnant]

recommend the same for all past gens ^

[frosty plover]

Do you have a link to the RBY Discord? The help would be greatly appreciated. I definitely see what you mean in RBY team building being deceptively tough though. I'm determined to make Venusaur and as many other niche Pokemon work in OU as I have more fun winning with something niche or off-meta

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[frosty plover]

@quartz remnant Thank you! :)

[quartz remnant]

np :O

[silent edge]

Gen 8 ou BO attempt https://pokepast.es/281218208d661228

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

this is just good SS OU BO, consider thunderbolt on Lele instead of psychic

Lele should probably be timid here for +2 Goltres

[silent edge]

Oh shit really? Its my first time building BO in SS ou.

[tender coral]

oh yeah it also helps out against Volcanion

[kind shadow]

There are better and more beginner friendly "off-meta" Pokemon to use than Venusaur

[timber lance]

like cuno 😎

don't take my word as fact but articuno is generally much easier to get a bit of value out of than an SD user in my experience

since its very straightforward

and blizzard is good

(I am a huge cuno fan in rby)

[upper nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/29afca67094db4f7 need some help with the rain matchup (and to a lesser extent, blacephalon and volcarona)

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper nacelle]

Built around the offensive core of koko, tini, melm.

[glass wing]

Gen 6 OU team

Generally this team feels really good (at ~1400 elo), but sometimes it feels like it randomly loses. May just be bad play, but I'd just like to make sure I'm not missing anything!

https://pokepast.es/cbab4df4508373f8

[quartz remnant]

double rocks, lorb tias

[raw hornet]

Cofagrigus is chad

[quartz remnant]

good in gen 6

a tier mon

[quartz jacinth]

https://pokepast.es/7b9b3e8fe984b602 gen 8 team trying to use victini koko with gastrodon, not sure if corv or zapdos would work better here also thoughts on sets would be appreciated.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

I think this is more or less fine

https://pokepast.es/3928ab99b075b234

@quartz jacinth requires extreme Tini precision against CM Clef/Reuni and other slow setup sweepers, but this is okay

[silent edge]

Hmmm wanted to make a blacephelon based team cuz that mon is horrifying in gen 8 ou

https://pokepast.es/d0c45d37b445011e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz jacinth]

I tried torn before but i felt like the team had a hard time into sand

[silent edge]

Any raters online?

[pearl plaza]

https://pokepast.es/4de4a27fd0db5934 gen 7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

id fix the sets

volt zapdos ttar band no aqua tail steel z exca, focus blast yard for hpground

[silent edge]

Hmmm wanted to make a blacephelon based team cuz that mon is horrifying in gen 8. Any raters online atm?

https://pokepast.es/d0c45d37b445011e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

You have to say which tier it's for

Either in the paste itself or in your message

[eager finch]

i mean their team has a z-move and a mega and pursuit

https://pokepast.es/aa36f181e6235676 team been working pretty well so far gotten me top 250 on ladder
I usually lead Victini to trade off the bat

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty glacier]

So

You need a ground type

I reccomend lando T over dragonite

Just standard defensive with rocks eq u turn toxic

With elec Z koko I'd run

U turn>volt

Roost>dgleam

Mawile thunder fang is fine ig but I'd personally use knock off and 164 speed 96 hp rest atk

For rotom

Just run spdef

8 speed 248 hp 252 spdef calm nature same moves expect give it twave over pain split and wiki berry item

Hawlucha set asw just copy the reccomended one

[eager finch]

would rather die

[eager finch]

whats the recommended one

ill take the wiki berry and knock off

[mighty glacier]

It's nice to gain momentum on grounds lol

[eager finch]

hp ice is nice to gain momentum on grounds

[mighty glacier]

Just click on import and at the bottom it should show

[eager finch]

and u dont need u-turn to throw in hawlucha or rotom-wash

[mighty glacier]

Yeah but doesn't hit exca

Or even things like hippowdon

[eager finch]

rotom wash hits both

if those switch in ill switch out

[mighty glacier]

I'm just saying then u lose momentum

[eager finch]

most of the time u gain momentum hitting enemies for 105 stab volt switch

[mighty glacier]

I'm talking about ground types lol

If u just came here to argue then please don't send teams here

[eager finch]

yeah im talking about every other enemies in the game im not sacrficing two move slots to beat ground types

[eager finch]

is there a point in the spd evs whats it outspeed in comparison to 0 investment

[mighty glacier]

Mega swampert in rain

And things like scarf gren

Just depends on the speed evs u use

I'm not too familiar with it myself

[eager finch]

base hawlucha does that

[mighty glacier]

?

[eager finch]

no spd investment outspeed max speed swampert

in rain

[mighty glacier]

Oh I see I was wrong

Lemme check what it's for

[mighty glacier]

A terrain seed in conjunction with Unburden instantly doubles Hawlucha's Speed stat if it is brought into the correct terrain; Electric Seed should be used alongside Tapu Koko, Grassy Seed alongside Tapu Bulu, and lastly Psychic Seed alongside Tapu Lele. Additionally, the Defense boost it receives is helpful for allowing Hawlucha to set up Swords Dance more easily, whereas Psychic Seed offers an interesting twist that boosts Hawlucha's Special Defense one stage instead, allowing Hawlucha to take on Hidden Power Ice from Landorus-T as well as Water Shuriken from Ash-Greninja much more easily. Maximum Attack is used so Hawlucha hits as hard as possible, and 124 Speed EVs help it outspeed all Pokemon up to Jolly Sand Rush Excadrill. 96 HP EVs, along with 36 SpD EVs, enable Hawlucha to survive a Moonblast from Clefable and 2HKO it with Acrobatics. Such investment is unecessary if Hawlucha is running a Psychic Seed though, leaving the SpD EV points to be invested onto HP. A bulkier spread of 104 HP / 244 Atk / 88 SpD / 72 Spe and an Adamant nature can be used on Electric or Grassy Seed Substitute variants to set up on Toxapex.

[eager finch]

if its mainly to outspeed excadrill cant i just keep it at 0

with elec seed giving +1 def hawlucha can tank +2 iron head no problem

besides rotom wash full walls anyway

its not nesscary for this team right

[silent edge]

Hmmm this is my attempt at some kind of blacephelon balance.

https://pokepast.es/d0c45d37b445011e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent edge]

Gen 8 ou

[eager finch]

😭 some dedication

[silent edge]

Listen

Eventually

Ill get somebody

[mighty glacier]

no itll always help rotom wash has no reliable recovery

[mighty glacier]

can flinch tho

[eager finch]

pain split exists for a reason

[eager finch]

without the dance its not even guranteed to 3 hit

[mighty glacier]

if ur not awful u will succeed on ladder with anything

so just do as u wish

[dense adder]

how do i not be awful

[mighty glacier]

practice

[dense adder]

how often should i read smogon analysis

[mighty glacier]

uh only when building ig

just play alot of ladder and in time become friends with good players in the format u play and youll get gud

[dense adder]

gen 7 ou double weather https://pokepast.es/2354f07590a47666

[silent edge]

I feel like imma have to just do something like

Day 5 of asking for a team rating

[opal beacon]

Hi sry
Someone will get to u promise

[silent edge]

Dw I'm ready for the wait

[mighty glacier]

run cb ttar

or since u need for rocks atleast do adamant leftovers

smooth rock isnt good

[dense adder]

any other suggestions?

[mighty glacier]

not really

[dense adder]

thank u

trying to get out of 1000s in elo

[vivid kraken]

very interesting

i think your steel in excadrill would be cool bc u have a lot of shit to force progress with its abilities and what not

plus ttar + xard + cress

you definitely want to use lefties drill on these balanced structures though

you can use sd

and make the chomp z rock

also would go scarf ttar because somewhat speed alleviation would be cool

[dense adder]

xard? 👀

[mighty glacier]

I reccomend using samples then

[dense adder]

i do use sample teams. not really helping

[vivid kraken]

xard?

[dense adder]

i thought i put yard on there

[vivid kraken]

oh yeah

my baf

bad

i mean yard

[dense adder]

okay

ive taken ur advice

thx

[vivid kraken]

yah

[silent edge]

Different day different team

https://pokepast.es/70d9ffc03c35fcfb

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent edge]

I made a better version of this concept. I wanna know if I can post it or if I need to wait.

[mighty glacier]

U can post

[silent edge]

https://pokepast.es/326aacef0d99ae49

Is this team weak to mons like volcanion? I realized I am weak to water

[mighty glacier]

U can do fini over buzz prob

Change some sets but idrk I don't play ss

[glass wing]

Gen 6 OU
This is a very similar team to one I sent a week or so, albeit with changes to Latias (LOrb -> Colbur Berry) and Heatran (Rocks -> Toxic)

https://pokepast.es/454be6b1edf3e39b

[silent edge]

Looks like I'll have to try again tomorrow

[opal beacon]

@karmic geyser ss

Ok

[opal beacon]

@tender coral @orchid tiger

[silent edge]

Hmmm should I pose a team rn or just wait until a rate ris online

[silent edge]

https://pokepast.es/6a2ce6bd4dca514b might use speed boost kart and specs blacephelon. Rather than scarf blaceph and atk boost kart

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

scarf blace seems better here

[silent edge]

Alright, also would tornadus be better or would swapping it out for zapdos be better.

https://pokepast.es/f8d9c7996833e38e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty glacier]

Just dm slowpoke fan

[silent edge]

Fair

[tender coral]

Zapdos can be offensive

other than that no major quibbles

[errant quail]

what is the best team to use to defeat my nerd friend in showdown?

[tall wedge]

The team that kills all 6 of his mons

[silent edge]

Depends, the best like noob stomping team is probably a dracozolt sand team. Also this is probably better for comp general rather than the old gens ou.

[upper plume]

I already handled this user's request

[sacred flicker]

Can you rate my team out of 5 for gen 2 OU?

[upper plume]

!pokepaste

[karmic geyser]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.

[sacred flicker]

https://pokepast.es/cb4550a84a393a11

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 2] OU RMT @half jungle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[uncut warren]

Where Snorlax ?

• whenever Eggy will be down there will be no Switch in whatsoever to Raikou or Zapdos

There is not a single Rest Talk Mon in there too, this team is unviable in Gen 2 I'm sorry 😭

[sacred flicker]

It's ok, thank you for the info.

[sacred flicker]

But, hey. I've been pushing up with this team and making it work.

It's hard, but I like the team.

[sacred flicker]

Also what do you recommend, besides snorlax

[uncut warren]

Don't you have trouble with the Electrics ?

[sacred flicker]

No.

[uncut warren]

Okay okay

[sacred flicker]

I explode on them

[sacred flicker]

I usually just use explosion or earthquake with machamp

[stray trench]

https://pokepast.es/39713ddd9a6c170e
need help with Gen 7 Trick Room team
If we can avoid re-using items that would be a massive benefit

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

The 2 last slots instead of pex and tangrowth could be magearna and crawdaunt

[stray trench]

Something like this?

https://pokepast.es/c8dda07deeb2fa21

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

Probably yeah

[mint epoch]

https://pokepast.es/572f4393cbf72e7b
making a gen 7 hyper offense team built around tapu koko and ash-greninja

any help would be nice !

[velvet charm]

is there any particular reason you're running firium z on heatran otherwise I'd switch it out for balloon or lefties maybe

Also the Ferro is an interesting addition on HO particularly because you already have a semi spike setter in gren, maybe something that would help out against magearna would be nice instead

There also isn't a mega on this team which is fine but in general megas are pretty centralizing in gen7 and having one could help out

[mint epoch]

I was thinking for Ferro that it would be a more bulky hazard setter in case I wanted to put Greninja on full offense

[mint epoch]

more consistent fire type damage bc magma storm is a funny move sometimes

[mint epoch]

Heatran in general was meant to be a magearna check and the spikes were for chip damage specifically against magearna and other pokemon such as toxapex, Ferrothorn, and other stallers

honestly though after playing with this team a bit and going 5-2, I realized Ferrothorn is a bit of a weak link

[velvet charm]

Ah okay you kinda convinced me with your initial reply but knowing this my initial thought was that spikes greninja isn't really a "choice" between hazard setter and all out attacker, the spikes are there to punish switch ins that resist greninja to keep up some momentum. the whole idea of one bulky hazard setter on the team in HO is kindof redundant (in my experience)

if you do want to use a more bulky mon one with a healing move or regenerator work a bit better in my experience

maybe tornados therian could be fun? Just spitballing

[velvet charm]

Oh word yeah i see that

[velvet charm]

Right yeah i see, heatran as a mag check works pretty good for one thing. Otherwise I'm inclined to mention that pivots work even better to counter those kind of mons than chip from spikes does in my experience

I'll be real I'm just gassing u turn tornados therian up atp but err yeah

[quartz remnant]

a. this has ferro on HO.
b. this has heatran on HO.
c. this has double specs. (maybe run lorb on koko or waterium z on ash)
d. this has kartana and ferro in the same team.
e. probably run sub hawlucha or encore maybe.
f. theres a team just like this. german offense. lmk if u want it
g. theres no mega
h. this team looks like it wants some pivots, but theres only koko

i havent even gotten into what it loses and stuff

but this should be enough i hope

[mint epoch]

yeah that's probably enough I need to know for now

do you have any suggestions for something to replace Ferro?

[quartz remnant]

i think u should just use german offense

[cinder plinth]

Now that you say it mind if know what is that team all about? Some famous team that peaked the ladder multiple times and spammed even by tournament players? Also, send paste, I wanna see if I can cook it into my switch like fr

[quartz remnant]

offense team used/made by german111 who has peaked ladder multiple times

its really fun too

not spammed by tournament players but a great team

https://pokepast.es/3b5933cc514308ae

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz remnant]

not for rmt, sorry marnie 🙏

[cinder plinth]

Hmmm… I would love something that is consistently spammed by tour players to paste onto the game

But this seems cool (oh god I hate hurricane and focus blast yall got a team without any moves with less than 85 accuracy)

[cinder plinth]

Also what the heck is 44 speed EVs and a negative speed nature

[quartz remnant]

old magearna set

[quartz remnant]

just use the skype xard one

or some sand

https://pokepast.es/04fae47b597cb168

this was used a lot in previous spls

https://pokepast.es/248502139cca2c33

this too

and then you have sand and rain which are always spammed

[ripe crest]

I have a gen 5 ou rain team built with zoroark:
https://pokepast.es/808053f7ef23cddf
i feel that zoroark is not the most reliable, but im tryijng to make it work as best as i can

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @upper plume, @inner mist, @worldly walrus, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ripe crest]

also im not very experienced so this might be super jank sorry 😭

[upper plume]

Yeah Zoroark is just not viable in BW OU

and as-is, the team just gets absolutely farmed by Latios

[ripe crest]

yeah, bc of that i was thinking of replacing extrasensory with sucker punch with 4 atk evs
thunderus was a trouble for me as well

[upper plume]

Most of these Pokemon (except Politoed and maybe Breloom) don't fit well on rain

[ripe crest]

what about toxicroak though?
on ladder the dryskin + life orb felt pretty useful

[upper plume]

Toxicroak sucks

[ripe crest]

do you think I can make some adjustments to made it uu instead

[upper plume]

to my understanding Zoroark isn't that great in BW UU either

[ripe crest]

man,,

[upper plume]

and if you're new to competitive Pokemon, then I wouldn't recommend building oldgen lower tiers

this is because you don't have easy access to battles and there are fewer resources and eyes on the tier (both of which are the most important thing for a newer player to have access to)

[ripe crest]

ah, yeah that makes total sense

[inner mist]

Forretress does not lend itself on Rain the same way it does for stuff like Sand or Hail

You may as well just use Ferrothorn instead

Tbolt already covered this but Zoroark is a wasted slot

Fwiw Volc/Croak/Loom are kind of ok if you choose to build around them but not together. They flat out have no synergy.

If you use something like Poli/Ferro/Tenta or Mie/Filler 1/Filler 2/Filler 3 you could have a decent first team

[ripe crest]

ok! ill probably try again, that makes sense

[inner mist]

One same of this is Poli/Ferro/Tenta/Keld/Latios/Thundy

The choices for Rain are kind of boring but that's kind of how Rain works

[upper plume]

I generally prefer Starmie rains but Tenta is fine as well

[cinder plinth]

https://pokepast.es/b1012dc4425d60ab

Tbf Idk much about SS, but I would love to have some sorta anti stall tech on my team and no focus blast / hurricane users

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

Heatran is essentially your anti-stall mon, just remember to scout for stuff like shed shell Pex and AV Torn, knock those items off before you start attempting to trap stuff

toxic instead of eruption helps against the likes of Rotom

the Lando should be spdef leftovers btw

[cinder plinth]

Oh cool

[tender coral]

@cinder plinth https://pokepast.es/f8e54c75cd272165

my take on your specs Pult + offensive Heatran idea

does have a few tough matchups but it should be solid

[cinder plinth]

Trickscarf looks really fun

Thanks!

[round pasture]

https://pokepast.es/54905fa69c5e0799

This is like my first team I have ever built for competitive reasons since me and some friends are gonna be playing in a really small tourney with like max 16 people. We decided on no legendaries and probably a limit to paradox pokemon so im keeping it to 1 for now.

The general gameplan would be to set up stealth rock, pivot through with my choice item pokemon to take down some walls and soften the enemy team and then sweep with ceruledge in the end.

What im worried about is basically my special defense and special attacking weakness so I was thinking of replacing Ceruledge with Iron Moth for SpA and better typing against fairy but 1. Idk how many paradox we're gonna be allowed and 2. I'd have to rely on Fiery Dance's 50% chance to have a set up which is unreliable.

If there is anything that you guys would know which would be an easy improvement or something to change my team up that would make it better please let me know!

[tall wedge]

We don’t rate to arbitrary rules and this isn’t the right channel for the team anyways

[round pasture]

Well I wasnt really looking to have it rated based on that just what could be improved or how well it would do in OU. Didnt know this was the wrong channel thats my bad, which one would be the right one?

[tall wedge]

Looks like SV OU rates, but in all likelihood you’re probably going to be told something similar to what I mentioned.

[inner mist]

It’s not really a preference thing for me it’s just that Tenta is sort of easier to use for newcomers

I can see why people would prefer Mie though since Clef is now a thing

I wonder what sets Tenta could run to counter Clef

Well besides double switching to Thundy

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/40c5d9d885ff7d95 gen 7 OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

M-Scizor bulky offense

Nicknames are a WIP 😅

[river egret]

@quartz remnant ts feels mana weak/rain weak

wdyt

[quartz remnant]

ill get to this later

[quartz remnant]

the rain matchup is horrible yes

id go taunt tran

id go volt on zap

try not to give kommo-o any opportunities to pop z

this looks kommo-o at +1 weak

mmedi claims like 3 kills here, you need to get lucky with the z but then again

most teams are mmedi weak and have to deal with it offensively

koko might be problematic, seeing as your only ground is quad weak to hpice (cant do anything about it tbh) and weak to dgleam too

that should be all

also

shedinja lol

only 2 mons hit it here (Although tran is probably the best counter to it)

[raw hornet]

Only 2 mons hitting it is enough

And you have rocks

It's not a problem

[quartz remnant]

id like for you to win a match against shed stall with this 🙏

just sayin

[vale lagoon]

Got it, thanks for the advice!

I’ll try the team out a bit and see if I could maybe replace some members with other things

[raw hornet]

You can also ask in the smcord

Some good players are often active out there

[vale lagoon]

Would it maybe be better to swap out Heatran for Ferro?

I know two 4x weakness to fire is bad, but the offensive core should be able to pressure fire types well

[rose rampart]

[Gen 4] https://pokepast.es/73b97aabc6d8cafe
The idea is ttar is a lead that traps Ghosts and and Psychics while infernape clears mons like Blissey and Clefable
I'm also not great at building teams so I only have 3 mons right now to get a feel for whether I'm on the right track

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[velvet charm]

I think heatran is picked because its more of an active wall then ferro is, you could try switching them out but heatran is a core mon for these kind of teams

[young island]

https://pokepast.es/04a91fc55a8b2a88 chat in compgen made me want to build this (shift gear mag offense)

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[young island]

considering going koko over fini and defensive lando instead here

but idk

[cobalt vigil]

3. Incomplete teams will not be rated, if you need help in completing a team ask in ⁠comp-general for assistance.

[stray trench]

https://pokepast.es/d635ec4c384a417e
I really like the feel of a lot of this team, except for Marowak, wondering if there are any good replacements I can make

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose rampart]

Aight here is my new team [Gen 4 OU] https://pokepast.es/3452b20b1fdccfb4
Originally had Offensive Dance Dragonite instead of Jirachi

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose rampart]

[Gen 4 OU] Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/3452b20b1fdccfb4

[upper plume]

On first glance doesn't seem that bad

What's your plan against Breloom?

[rose rampart]

Infernape, Latias, and Jirachi @upper plume

Latias has been especially effective since it outspeeds and OHKOs with Draco Meteor

[upper plume]

Fair

I'm just a tad concerned about sleep but it's not as though you give it entirely free entry

[rose rampart]

I have been thinking of giving Rachi or Ttar Lum Berry but I love killing Lead Empoleon and Starmie with EQ/Crunch and Flygon with Ice Punch

[hallow sage]

I doubt its perfect but I'm trying to cook up a team for gen 4 ou. Any notes for where I could improve in terms of the sets I'm using would be appreciated
https://pokepast.es/84064f7a985c8dfd

[cobalt vigil]

Berry Ttar is an underwhelming lead on offense because of its inability to reliably prevent rocks. It wins a decent amount of matchups especially against special threats (thats why you see it on stall with lefties/tect). However it loses a decent amount of health doing so and you don't want your so special check to lose half health on turn 1.
All your members fit he pace of the team but as a whole you are very weak to hazards, Earthquake and Jirachi. This is not probably not worth reworking, but i would recommend taking example from vay's offensive team from the samples.

[cobalt vigil]

Stealth Rock is mandatory on any dpp ou team. Gengar is a poor scarfer as it needs to switch moves between shadow ball and focus blast, use rotom-a instead. When playing DPP, a sturdy steel type is required to take a Draco Meteor from Latias. Lucario is better kept hidden in the back of your team, waiting for his counters to get into extreme speed range. Taunt Gliscor fits on slower paced teams.
To give you a simplified template, dpp offense works around the idea of lead - lead backup - team core - dragon dancers check (most of the time a scarfer) - Late game threat.
I can recommend you to take a look at the sample teams, there are several offensive teams you might like. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/
The dpp forum also has teams from past tournaments such as spl and jirachee invitational

[limpid ermine]

rate my bw ou team https://pokepast.es/2e16d9daa65ffb39

[upper plume]

Which Pokemon are you trying to build around?

[limpid ermine]

personally i want a sand team build around excadrill

[upper plume]

Excadrill is a pretty good Pokemon in BW because it can support teammates with Rapid Spin while being offensive in its own right

if you want to build around it, then you're probably looking at Swords Dance Sand Force sets

[limpid ermine]

personally what i need for my team are grass and water checks

that seems to be fckn with me the most

are the rain teams

[upper plume]

I would probably drop Hippowdown, as it is just too slow and passive for the team

you should then make Tyranitar the Bulky Pursuit Trapper set, which you can find in the Smogon Dex

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/tyranitar/

[upper plume]

that will open a slot for you to be able to slot in Latios

since you lack Stealth Rock now, you should make Landorus-T your Stealth Rock setter

you can use the Defensive set, also on Lando-T's Smogon Dex page

[upper plume]

You probably should just run a Bold nature on Gastro if you aren't going to use physical attacks

[limpid ermine]

what type of set in the latios?

[upper plume]

Probably not Choice Scarf since you already have Scarf Drill

So you can go either Calm Mind or Choice Specs

while you're at it, change your Excadrill's moveset

Make it Earthquake/Iron Head/Rapid Spin/Rock Slide

[upper plume]

Finally, I'm not a huge fan of the Heatran set but it honestly is whatever

I do think that the Gastrodon should have Toxic because you lack good ways to damage Rotom-W

[limpid ermine]

who should i replace heatran with?

https://pokepast.es/105706da4f2b7de0

this is what i have currently

after adapting the changes you recommended

[upper plume]

Oh if you're Lefties Drill then 100% Scarf Latios

[limpid ermine]

scarf or specs?

[upper plume]

Scarf

the whole reason I said no Scarf Latios earlier was because you already had Scarf Drill

[limpid ermine]

oh yes alg

is rotom w good or should i switch it for something>

im still seeing grass as a big weakness to the team

[upper plume]

Rotom-W is fine but honestly if you have Latios Lando-T and Rotom-W then you don't really need Exca

which I don't think you want

[limpid ermine]

okay but who should i exchange exca for

[upper plume]

alternatively, you can make Exca a set without rapid spin

or make it Swords Dance

though you become super weak to bulky NP Bi

[limpid ermine]

thats what i was thinking

[upper plume]

lemme check if np celebis are fast or strong

because Exca can patch it over if they're not fast

I think Gastro is a tad redundant

[limpid ermine]

Usually i use gasto to bait water moves cause of storm drain

[upper plume]

I think the cleanest solution is to just make a known 6

but I'm guessing you want to use Exca

[limpid ermine]

i do

[upper plume]

Yeah one of the main selling points of Exca is that it can remove Spikes

but half your team doesn't care about Spikes

[limpid ermine]

right so

what sort of tema

should I go for with exca as main?

[upper plume]

I think we should build a team from scratch

We start with Excadrill and then add Tyranitar

when I think about Exca being the star, I think SD Sand Force, which has the strength to break through Skarmory and Bronzong

we are left at the mercy of Water and Ground-types, so we can pick between Latios or Celebi; I'm gonna go with Celebi since it appreciates Spikes being removed and can spread paralysis

alternatively, it can use the combination of Substitute and Baton Pass to give Excadrill extra setup opportunities

which would you prefer?

In the meantime, we have to consider that we're prone to Dragons and have issues with Landorus-T, which can outspeed our three chosen members and KO them

Volcarona can also be a concern, and we're finally missing Stealth Rock

I think Terrakion is a reasonable addition here, as it outspeeds many Dragons and Volcarona and is a physical attacker that benefits from Exca softening up physical walls

Next, you need a primary Steel to throw into Dragons, as Excadrill is not that bulky

I don't really want to use Ferrothorn since it overlaps with Celebi, and Skarmory isn't used as a Stealth Rock setter, so your options are Jirachi and Heatran

I'm probably going to recommend Jirachi here

it can also spread paralysis for Excadrill, like Celebi

Finally, you're going to want a Water-type to handle Mamoswine, which gives your team fits

well actually a faster Jirachi outspeeds it

even still, I think an extra weapon into rain aside from Celebi would be appreciated

[limpid ermine]

terra jirchachi celabi lando t exca and tyran?

what sets for them?

[upper plume]

Idk about Lando-T

you want a second Water resist here

[limpid ermine]

what do you think for the water resist

[upper plume]

Probably Keldeo here

or Rotom-W

Rotom-W is generically better into rain but Keldeo gives you actual help into Thundurus-T

[limpid ermine]

i think keldeo

would be the play

[upper plume]

https://pokepast.es/bba937cfbbbd7ab5

This is what the team looks like as of now

Celebi's last two moves are dependent on whether you'd rather spread paralysis or pass substitutes to its teammates

[limpid ermine]

subs id say personallt

so subsitute

nd baton pass

[upper plume]

alright

[limpid ermine]

well

is that what you would place as the last 2 movces

[upper plume]

if you would rather pass substitutes, then yes

[limpid ermine]

thank you v much for your help sir

its much appriciated

time to terrorize the rsnked ladder

[upper plume]

good luck

Just some notes:

• Exca and Keldeo don't heal, so you have to be cautious with their HP against offensive Scizor; Jirachi can replace Body Slam with Thunder so that it can hit Scizor harder
• I think Thunder Jirachi is generically pretty solid, as it improves the rain matchup. However, you don't have an abundance of switch-in opportunities against Ground-types, so that's the consideration for why to keep Slam

• You may consider Healing Wish > U-turn on Jirachi to give Exca, Keldeo, or Terrakion a second life at winning the game. U-turn is the default because Rachi is the primary Pokemon at soaking up Dragon moves and pivoting out

[limpid ermine]

yeah i think healing wish is defintely the switch as im feeling the no heals on the three main dps on my team

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[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/bade55f7bc2975e9 gen 7 OU

[karmic geyser]

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[vale lagoon]

I like this team so far, but I’m a bit iffy on Kartana

It’s here for speed control, but I’m wondering if Gren+Lopunny is enough speed control for this team

[obtuse prairie]

it could work, anything faster you're team covers decently

seems to cover a lot of bases otherwise, anything you struggle with?

[obtuse prairie]

in case you're still interested in a rate, there's not a whole lot of better options if my memory serves

[stray trench]

Ah, that's what I was worried about
I'll try practice with a bit more then, thanks!

[obtuse prairie]

yea, maro is a p strong hitter though so surprised you arent a fan

[stray trench]

It's really weird, I thought it would be my type aswell

I'll probably hop on a few matches to get the hang of it a bit more

[obtuse prairie]

in case you're still interested in a rate, i feel like mage might struggle to get going but cant say for certain, any problems youve encountered?

[vale lagoon]

I haven’t tested the team out yet, so that’s something I’ll definitely do. If speed control isn’t a problem, I might go band on Kartana for the extra damage (Lopunny is the cleaner anyway). I just want some Rotom-W insurance since I know it could be a problem for my team (knock off support is great as well).

Thank you for the insight, I appreciate you!

[obtuse prairie]

could perhaps try to fit in EP somewhere on kyub for more rotom pressure

rotom realistically gets a free in vs mage and lando so as long as you dont give it a free turn then you should be fine

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty

[stray trench]

Hey!
So after some more games with Maro, I’ve actually started understanding how to use it more efficiently and it feels tons better

[obtuse prairie]

nice

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[chilly fox]

https://pokepast.es/f75de495e5adef85 (Gen 8 OU)
First time actually making a team of my own even tho the sets aren't mine, basically I really like Zeraora and heard he was viable and I happen to really like VoltTurn teams so I came back to singles just to play him lol

The idea is a bulky offense team where everyone aside from Zeraora has to have at least some defensive merits because I have never been the best at anything other than HO teams and need training wheels with switching around, spam voltturn until I get in a good position and make do from there

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[tender coral]

I wouldn't say that volt switch Zeraora is bad, but I think its best set nowadays is bulk up - you can probably try building around that instead

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-demo-teams.3734229/

there's a Zeraora HO team in this thread, so you can try it out!

but if you want a BO, I think the team needs a bit of an overhaul - Slowbro for Lele, Buzzwole for Scizor and Nidoking for Ferrothorn would be pretty good

[chilly fox]

that and a bulk up zeraora set?

and how does nidoking work in ou? i never heard of it before i think it's just a sheer force attacker stupid question tbh but figured it out thanks for the rate!

[cobalt vigil]

7. Do not post your importable more than once or repost them begging for it to get rated.

See my comments before

[raw hornet]

how oculd i make this team better (if i can make it better) https://pokepast.es/f47c46c596593462

[karmic geyser]

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[raw hornet]

dmeteor on latias is to not be too weak to medi

so i can fish damage with rh on buzzwole and hazards or status then go lati and click dmeteor to get the kill

and the evs on buzz is to tank hpump from gren pre-trans

i originally wanted to build with buzz cuzz i believe it has potential

i quite literally never used bulk up cuzz the enemy team always had a special attacker left

so maybe i could change that for toxic or taunt or sub or idk something

[obtuse prairie]

alternatively go skarm over steela to help against mmedi

draco is p unideal otherwise

clef too

[raw hornet]

wouldnt it be kinda overlaping with buzzwole as a physical wall?

[obtuse prairie]

kind of

alternatively skarm>buzz, or just clef over cele

[raw hornet]

so buzz is just too meh?

[obtuse prairie]

icl i havent used buzz in gen 7 and i cant imagine much it covers that

[raw hornet]

to be played?

[obtuse prairie]

could work; i just read you wanted to make buzz work which i missed

so p much clef over one of the others

[raw hornet]

personally i think every mon on the vr has a chance without having a team weak to too many stuff i just personally think it's a bit harder to build that's it

[obtuse prairie]

every mon realistically can work

just whole lot of obstacles

[raw hornet]

wdym by obstacles?

[obtuse prairie]

anything that stops it from working

[raw hornet]

that's not too bad cuz the rest of the team can just fix those obstacles

[obtuse prairie]

yes

the best remedy for mmedi would probably be clef, between clef and lati you should be fine

[raw hornet]

clef over who?

[obtuse prairie]

is the celesteela doing anything in particular?

[raw hornet]

uh

one sec

i remember writing a whole essay explaining this team

one sec

tapu lele

it checks tapu lele

[obtuse prairie]

might switch to chansey then

[raw hornet]

do i remove chansey then?

[obtuse prairie]

yea, cele and pex should handle the special attacks as much as possible

[raw hornet]

alright

https://pokepast.es/b091c3f1131ee2d5 like this?

wait since i'm una might as well go max spdf on pex

iirc the def originally was for xard

and btw i should maybe get rid of tspikes for toxic

cuz otherwise cresselia is doing damage

[obtuse prairie]

couldnt hurt

[raw hornet]

i didnt know what to put in the dmeteor slot so i used thunder for stuff like rains and all

and do you think i need a cleric on this team?

with gliscor it shouldnt be too bad but i was just wondering

[obtuse prairie]

like aroma?

or just wish

[raw hornet]

well a cleric is only aroma right?

wait a cleric is both wish and aroma????

i always thought it was only aroma lol

but yeah only aroma

[obtuse prairie]

i personally define it as both

[raw hornet]

i'm not sure i need wish support

[obtuse prairie]

others might just read it as aroma

aroma is nice for buzz since he's suspectible to status

on the other hand it kind of fucks around with glis

[raw hornet]

ohhh right

forgot about that

Thats kinda problematic since it wont be a koff absorber anymore

Well tbh i shouldnt be bothered tooo much by status cuz i often will just switch in with buzzwole to check stuff like pert or kart so it's rare i'll ever even get hit by status

So it should be okay

[obtuse prairie]

i dont think you need thunder on lati

could switch to psychic to help shoot down mmedi

[raw hornet]

Okay

We dont have rocks tho

Do i just go magic guard clef orr ?

[obtuse prairie]

yea idk where you can fit it

[hallow sage]

continuing to work on my gen 4 ou team and have made a few small changes plus replaced suicune with a heatran. Does this look like a good team or does it still need work and if so what areas would you suggest improving?
https://pokepast.es/654c13eed55de7f0

[cobalt vigil]

Hello,
There is a pace mismatch between the members of your team. Defensive Zapdos mostly fits on balance and is almost always paired with spin, if not it's the lead. Spedef Zapdos in particular fits on even slower types of team and is rarely worth playing.
Lucario requires a more offensive team than this, otherwise pokemon like Gliscor or Hippowdon will have too many opportunities to heal up.
Heatran , Gengar, Tyranitar do fit together, but not with these sets. Either Tyranitar or Heatran has to be an offensive version, to threaten ground type notably. It is also awakward to have your sole Draco Meteor switch in to be your lead, because Heatran will likely take damage when setting up rocks and will be unable stomach Draco Meteors later on. I'm not recommending physdef Tar, spedef Tar gives a lot of flexibility for your team however.
The standard Gengar with Wisp + Taunt set is superior to this one, stall is important to cover.
For simplicity's sake, only consider Mixed Flygon on Spikes teams.

Many paths to be taken but the easiest is a spikes team with Gengar / Lucario / Flygon / Ttar

You can take a look at Mixgon's team partners on smogon to figure out the 2 lasts

[upper plume]

I believe that I mentioned something similar to you on PS when you posted the team there

I didn't say to keep Zapdos

[17:26:32] %Tb0lt: "I think subbing out the Zapdos, making Gengar not Choice Scarf, adding a Spiker, and replacing Suicune for a Steel that checks Jirachi could be a possible way forward"

[hallow sage]

yeah ngl I do like zapdos so I was trying to make the team work with it in anyway but I low key just have no idea what to replace it with tbh

Ok I've been looking and I just wanna ask if I'm crazy for thinking a toxic spikes roserade could replace the zapdos?

[hallow sage]

nvm skarmory better lol

[hallow sage]

Made several changes based on yalls suggestions, would you say this is better?
https://pokepast.es/e957d32eb064ff2d

[cobalt vigil]

you can try Hetran -> Gyara and put a Passho berry on tar

[vivid kraken]

Theoretically this 6 can deal with most of the tier given the linear standpoint of x checks x, but i think there’s underlying issues with how these problems actually try to force progress because most of your mons are fairly passive and can be exploited as such, these issues are kinda precedented by buzzwole coz he doesnt really have some factor that the synergy could vastly appreciate, this is probably the best it can be w buzz, bc i think celes is actually better than mage w it

[raw hornet]

Sooo buzzwole teams as a whole are meh ?

And we cant really make buzzwole work very well ?

[naive stump]

It's possible but it will be at best a few good squads (with surprising structure)

Best buzzwole squad I saw atp

[naive stump]

Issue with buzzwole here overall is how it waste a slot where u usually put some offensive pivot to provide immediate prrssure

Stuff like gren/koko/vile/torn/...

Also BU is slow and often end up doing nothing

(esp with no coverage to hit a bit hard pex)

[modern kayak]

https://pokepast.es/f2d7f81213192821
SS ou, just a tytar offense
Thoughts? What could be changed?

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[ornate wagon]

https://pokepast.es/fcd2af2a791ffd78

[karmic geyser]

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[ornate wagon]

SS ou, only real requirement is keeping choice band araquanid

It's not bad perse but isn't has some real problematic matchups, mostly amoongus (seriously that thing hardwalls everything but zapdos and kart on some beast boost)

Also don't know how I'd get both more special offense and a ghost resist that actually works with the team

[silent edge]

Gen 8 ou https://pokepast.es/2a785cecd9547ebd

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[fickle tulip]

this is just a normal sand team

dont run lorb on the drill though

go with lefties or balloon

oh sd > rock slide

[modern kayak]

I still quite new to the terms
Why is it a sand team when it has only one sand sweeper?

[gritty scaffold]

Most sand abusers are pretty bad

Only exca stands out from the other sand rush mon

[silent edge]

Are there any raters available?

[obtuse prairie]

you can check https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1349583825369567306 for times or just paste the team and our bot will tag raters

[swift ginkgo]

Sorry ive been sick recently

[inner mist]

Ngl this looks kind of rough against Heatran. You could probably play around it since Celebi and Rachi have pivoting moves but something like Tran + Rotom seems really rough

I wouldn't really recommend building a team around Drill, Drill is more of a mon you use to support a team rather than building around

In this team specifically you want a ton of Para support for SD Drill to work, I don't think that Rachi alone can provide you that

I think if you really want to build a SD Drill team I would use something like Tyranitar / Excadrill / Gliscor / Amoonguss / Keldeo / Mamoswine

With a team like this Mamo helps perserve offensive pressure whenever Latios tries to stop a Drill sweep

Oh yeah and Lando is also a big problem too, another thing that Mamo fixes

[inner mist]

You are much softer into Volc though, so I guess that’s a bit of a caution

[gritty scaffold]

Heatran mu is fine with keld tar and terrak imo

I just think this has a hard time into lando and gliscor

And im not sure how much you need jirachi here over other rocker like landorus or gliscor

And you dont need para support always to make sd drill work

As this team is quite weak to spikes and id prob use lefties exca

And you can prob fit twave celebi with giga drain on the other 2 moves

[inner mist]

I think Rachi is here for Para support / defensive buffer for Latios

Though I do feel like it doesn’t really fit here

If you want extra meat against Latios you could add more SpD on Drill

But I think a bigger issue is that you are relying on Drill + Scarf Rak to close games

Idk if that’s a consistent enough wincon

Since both mons are Lando weak

[silent edge]

https://pokepast.es/6ac823b97524b926 wonder if I can catch a rater this time

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[silent edge]

Playing around with slowbro + fini future sights with knock kart and lando is really fun. It feels like a more fast pace offensive team but has the defenses of something like bulky offense. Constant presure with future sight, rocks, knock, and rocky helm i have a ton of fun playing it when it works.

My only problem is if Clefable is necessary or if someone else would be better

[swift ginkgo]

Uhh from my pov atleast the team looks good 👍

[silent edge]

Gotcha, still considering if something like tank buzz or tapu fini would be better than clef tho...

[swift ginkgo]

Would prob go buzz as kart clicks leaf blade for days into this comp once tran goes down act

[silent edge]

Hmmm band or tank

Cuz band is really good with future sight supp while taking on urshifu and kart

It can come in, click punch or cc for a ko, get out but its easier to chip than tank, and rocky helm tank buzz helps with the chip dmg

[swift ginkgo]

Id prob go tank

[silent edge]

Im probably gonna go helm > boots because buzz alr has roost and chipping kart every time it attacks is really good since I dont have to rely on predicting it to swap in or hoping it doesnt switch on buzz

[gritty scaffold]

Ye

[rustic lintel]

I've done the impossible, an OU team with no earthquake
https://pokepast.es/3713faac413b4e4f

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[cobalt vigil]

This is too Jirachi weak, especially if backed up by spikes.
You have speA on your Ttar
LO Agility Zapdos fits on teams with hazard control (and is typically not worth building around)
CM LO Latias lead might work, but it's totally uneplored so wouldn't recommend it.
You would need a bulky water like offensive suicune / offensive milotic instead of zapdos, but then the team is too grounded to do anything against spikes teams.

[rustic lintel]

Didn't even notice that spA investment whoops XD, I considered dropping Zapdos as it hasn't exactly been helpful but as you mentioned I couldn't think of anything that wasn't then to spikes

[rustic lintel]

Also did you mean to say unexplored rather than uneplored?

[cobalt vigil]

Unexplored

[cobalt vigil]

If you want a special offense I'd recommend trying with a more standard approach of Specs Latias lead - Heatran - Superachi instead

[rustic lintel]

I've had some good success with this Latias so I think I want to keep it
https://pokepast.es/50e2d32241b65ff0

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[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/e3957251ea4f5351 i wanna absolutely build around mlatios ive already tried on 2 balances an old one with zone and a more recent one with cress but eeh didnt really work out so i'm trying new team archetypes now maybe latios will work out better

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[obtuse prairie]

Mtios is a banger pick, would consider roost at least on it

maybe double dance mage for better breaking

have you had any problems otherwise?

[raw hornet]

not really

[obtuse prairie]

dont see much issue

only thing is maybe a more potent breaker than sg 3a mage

[obtuse prairie]

ignore this i didnt see recover

but yea i think solid team, like it

[raw hornet]

At first i had scarf kart to help against chansey and to clean then i removed it for tran and fog on landot and finally i just replaced it with rotom cuz i didnt knew what else i could pick

But rotom doesnt seem too bad

Helps against rain

[obtuse prairie]

oh yea you do lack some speed control

[raw hornet]

I thought twave ferro + gren priority was maybe enough

But im kinda weak to stuf like lop

[obtuse prairie]

yea

[raw hornet]

Latios can trade

[obtuse prairie]

a wp zam or lop can go too hard

[raw hornet]

If i replace rotom by tect tran with toxic surely it'll be a bit better right ?

I'll be weaker to rain

But i mean i got ferrothorn soo

And even then lop will take 50 % but i'll still be hella weak to it

I could also go the more defensive way with mlatios

Well not latios himself

[obtuse prairie]

alternatively you can drop gren for something faster

[raw hornet]

But the team in generla

[obtuse prairie]

i dont think your defensive core needs editing

mage and agren slots feel more flexible

[raw hornet]

Scarf kart ?

It's also stated as a "win condition that benefit from mlatios' ability to punch holes" in the mlatios analysis

And it's faster

[obtuse prairie]

nb

that is triple steel though

[raw hornet]

Oh i wasnt sure about tran

I was just suggesting

[obtuse prairie]

kart + ferro + mage

[raw hornet]

Oh

Right

Hmm

I dont see what could i do to patch this

But with rotom and latios it should be fine right ?

[obtuse prairie]

could try scarf gren

[raw hornet]

Wont i lack some sort of win condition ?

Just like it's said in the analysis ?

[obtuse prairie]

still got the mage

• mtios with pressure from its teammates

[raw hornet]

Alrighty

Wait gren also helps with volc

P cool

[obtuse prairie]

alternatively rocks to ferro scarf to lando

gren slot would need to be something to help against mlop though

[raw hornet]

Zapdos ?

[obtuse prairie]

could be

equally i could be overthinking everything

SM is the land of coinflip matchups

try the team as is, see what you see

[raw hornet]

So scarf kart mlat sr landot ferrothorn rotom and mage ?