#Old Gens OU

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ruby thorn
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which you can afford now thanks to scarf latios being more solid into hyper offence and with this you can basically reverse the roles of which order you clean through the opp with

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rotom w should defo be leftovers over rest

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since clef is now a thing and you need longevity vs it

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rather than thudding into it and lose 12+6 every time you want to volt switch

inner mist
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This isn't my team lol, it's a sample from the forums

ruby thorn
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yeah i know

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but you asked for some changes on it

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and im just saying what i would do it

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next i would go max speed ice lando, just something standard, knock off never made sense to me on this team since you dont really have an excadrill to abuse skarm getting its lefties or helm knock off

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and ice is just a very good move

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apart from that its probably fine, you could make the skarm a ferro to make the mu into scarf lando better and give you twave support there for reun and also knock off if you are desperate for it

inner mist
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Fair enough

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How old is this sample again? Haven't played this tier in a while

ruby thorn
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uh

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5 years i think?

inner mist
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Yeah

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I defo remember this team for a while back

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The meta definately changed a lot back then

ruby thorn
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yeah

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life orb alakazam is the current trend

gritty scaffold
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tbh on spikes i think non lo zam is justifiable

wide valley
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its gen6 doubles ou

gritty scaffold
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just go to the dou thread

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they accept old dou gens too

wide valley
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silly me

polar mesa
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static yacht
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Gross spread takes +1 mence after a spike or 2 timid starmie hydros with protect

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Kingdra could be lum or lefties, gar could be fire punch or boom, zam could have cm or encore somewhere

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At a glance it feels like this 6 has a celebi problem

toxic gulch
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https://pokepast.es/21285d27c2231e51

Gen 6 OU. An attempt of using Tyrantrum with screen. Was wondering if i should swap anything and what the last slot should be. Pershap a Latias?

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leaden fiber
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Like

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Even ur interactions vs tar skarm bliss

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zap v tar t1, u cant go dug cuz that risks losing immediately so u go meta or dra both of which lets skarm in for a spike and then if that sequence repeats again bliss + water is unkillable

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This needs like

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a heracross

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or spikes

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or something

polar nacelle
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What is the point of zam?

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Probably should consider cm over something on zam

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Boom gar please

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Tbolt grass boom wow/meanlook

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polar nacelle
toxic gulch
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inner mist
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This team looks like it has no plan against Volc

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Ferro + Sciz also seems super awkward (outside of Rain)

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Latios + Gengar works but moreso on dedicated Psyspam teams

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It was probably used during the time before Volc was seen as a huge threat

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But now it just seems super awkward

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Gengar is generally used nowadays as a suicide spinblocker rather than a revenge killer

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Read this if you want to build around Gengar

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Also I just realized how much Gengar struggles against Clef teams

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So idk how good Gar might be nowadays

toxic gulch
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I see, this is a lot

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Thank you, mate

fading spoke
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Gengar is very good into clef teams

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Stallbreaking is like its main quality

upper plume
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Probably not Scarf Gengar

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Go 2a Taunt wisp

arctic hawk
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This team for gen 5 doubles

fickle tulip
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Doubles go in doubles rates

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titty and diddy are also wild names

arctic hawk
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Where is "Old Gens Double OU"

fickle tulip
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dou rates

inner mist
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Oh Taunt Gengar is fine against them

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But like, why use it over Jelli then?

gritty scaffold
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prob cuz jelly doesnt have focus blast

mighty glacier
polar mesa
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put mana as a water resist and i dont need webs and this thundy set is common on ho iirc

gusty jungle
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quartz remnant
fallen crown
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hey guys, can i ask for a rating for my gen 4 ou team?

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fallen crown
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is there anything i can improve? if possible i want the azumarill to stay since its kind of my mascot

candid prairie
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this team has 0 defensive value at all

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even fully offensive teams feature pokemon with defensive qualities like bronzong, jirachi, latias, metagross, gyarados, starmie, etc

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change infernape to a dedicated lead and change weavile to a different mon entirely, its not good

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i think regardless if you want to make use of Azu you need a bulkier team with paralysis spam to enable azu to get KO’s

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stuff like twave latias and clefable, body slam jirachi, etc

fallen crown
fallen crown
candid prairie
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we don’t do arbitrary restrictions here but metagross is a fine lead with some backbone to it

fallen crown
candid prairie
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choice scarf rotom is a pretty good stopgap yeah

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can revenge KO dragon dancers like gyarados and dragonite

fallen crown
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I see, ttar is a scary thought tho

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That thing is everywhere

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What should i change weavile to?

candid prairie
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generally ttar is choice locked. if they lock into pursuit to KO rotom then you sd with scizor and make really good progress

fallen crown
candid prairie
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dragonite is a good lead yes

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you still want a Stealth Rock setter

fallen crown
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Wb aerodactyl?

candid prairie
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Aero is considered a noob-trap generally

fallen crown
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Cuz the thing is, stealth rock seems pointless when you've already barreled through the opponent with an anti lead

candid prairie
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Stealth Rock are mandatory

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you will not break a fat team without them

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even bulkier things like Zapdos kinda destroy you

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but rocks help against that

fallen crown
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True-

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So for rocks i can use metagross

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Or is ttar better?

candid prairie
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it doesn't have to be a priority but you do want rocks

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i think if you're not leading metagross then you dont wanna use rocks on it

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you can use chople / pasho / custap / lum ttar for rocks

fallen crown
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Gotcha

candid prairie
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bc that serves as a defensive backbone for you

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while still enabling offense

fallen crown
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Right, i dont mind ttar

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So switch infernape and weavile for ttar and clefable

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And change dragonite to mix as lead

candid prairie
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Clefable probably doesn't fit the pace of this team

fallen crown
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So what works as a twave spammer?

candid prairie
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did you want to go that route?

fallen crown
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I mean yeah-

My nat dex gen 9 team leads with a twave rotom so im more familiar with that

candid prairie
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I think for a more balanced team you do want to lead with Stealth Rock if possible

fallen crown
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Ok, and then?

candid prairie
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well it depends on your lead from that point

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you kinda build around what their responses to your lead would be

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for example lead Jirachi pairs really well with Latias because Latias can come in on ground and fire moves for you

fallen crown
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They would pnbly use a fighting water or ice type to take down ttar

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Pbbly fighting tho

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Dragonite next?

candid prairie
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well it's best to not look at the game too black and white like that but i think the correct call here is latias for multiple reasons

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but again this depends on what lead you want to use

fallen crown
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Well since rocks ie mandatory i guess i'll use ttar

candid prairie
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sure we can use lead ttar

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(again latias is a great partner for it)

fallen crown
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Ok, noted, and i like latias

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But is there alternatives for latias?

candid prairie
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uhh gliscor + a fire resist can work decently?

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any ground + fire resist really

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like rotom + starmie works

fallen crown
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Gotcha

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Thanks a lot man

fallen crown
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Which rotom form attacks works well in gen 4 ou?

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Cuz i feel like leaf storm is good but hydro pump does everything it did

leaden fiber
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aero rare but definitely solid/viable

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wud not call it a noobtrap

candid prairie
royal ingot
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Slurpuff @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 HP / 0 Def / 0 SpD
Naive Nature
Sticky Web
Yawn
Magic Coat
endeavor

Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
Earthquake
Iron Head
Stealth Rock
Toxic

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 52 Def / 100 SpD / 112 Spe
Jolly Nature
Earthquake
Stealth rock
Knock off
Roost

Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
Dragon Dance
Return
Earthquake
Roost

Azumarill @ Normalium Z
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
Belly Drum
Aqua Jet
Play Rough
Knock Off

Espeon @ Light Clay
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 4 Satk / 252 HP / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
Morning sun
Psyshock
Light screen
reflect
it is a good team?

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fickle tulip
upper plume
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I'm just double checking

fickle tulip
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tbf a lot of people use the wrong channel

white bronze
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inner mist
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What's the idea behind this?

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Seems like a bunch of mons cobbled together with no synergy

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Unless you are building Rain, Ferrothorn and Jirachi have no synergy whatsoever

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Neither does Mamoswine and Alakazam

white bronze
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its mainly just trying to fullfill diff roles

inner mist
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The latter has two mons that fit in very different playstyles

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Also Starmie does not work as a conventional Sand spinner

upper plume
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I've occasionally seen Mamoswine on JelliSkarm HO teams with Zam

inner mist
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Drill normally fills that role

upper plume
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but this is definitely not JelliSkarm

white bronze
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keldeo counter

inner mist
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You talking about Starmie or Zam

white bronze
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starmie

upper plume
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Offensive Starmie does not fit on sand teams

inner mist
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Starmie doesn't work well as a sole Keld check

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Especially on Sand

white bronze
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what should i do with what I got rn

upper plume
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what Pokemon do you want to build around

inner mist
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Honestly I think this team needs a whole rework

white bronze
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I just wanna make an aggresive team that can also just not get stalled to death]

inner mist
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I guess Zam + Mamo can be fine

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So we can start with that

upper plume
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Are we thinking Skarm/Jelli/Tar/Mamo/Zam/Lati?

inner mist
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Yeah

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That seems more coherent

upper plume
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I think I have a team like that

white bronze
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what should I use for the sets

upper plume
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something like this

white bronze
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I ussually use scarf mamo, specs trick latios

upper plume
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if you're concerned about power, you can make Latios CM with Colbur or Lum

white bronze
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aight thanks

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I think I might change the mamo set and lati set tbh

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do you guys making them scarf and specs is ok

upper plume
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do as you like

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You could do worse; I personally am not the biggest fan of Scarf Mamoswine since its main draw is its wallbreaking power against sand teams

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But nobody will stop you from tweaking teams to fit your liking

inner mist
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Scarf Mamo can be good at getting the jump with stuff like Icicle Spear but getting locked into EQ always a headache

white bronze
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i never use spear lol

upper plume
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Scarf Spear is for Zam's Sash

inner mist
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It's also slightly more accurate than Icicle Crash if you are worried about that

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Though it's more RNG dependent

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polar nacelle
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Well either pert or meta

tropic basalt
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ok but you only need to spin once tho and wish gives you enough longevity I think

polar nacelle
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Ok well I also forgot to mention that it uses suicune instead as well

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The issue with offmie here is that the team is a bit too slow for offmie I think

tropic basalt
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the idea was to use it as a cleaner and an emergency check to offensive mons.

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white bronze
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is there any good alternatives or fixes

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damn im not even tryna @ that many

upper plume
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yeah you currently seem to lack stealth rock

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I'd probably go Ferrothorn > Skarmory

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and an Adamant Mamoswine while we're at it

white bronze
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what ferro set?

upper plume
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Just use the sample set

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you could use an offensive set if you'd like

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and I can send the set to you if you'd like

white bronze
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nah tbh

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offensive ferro wouldnt fit

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I feel like i need a spinner but the ones in gen 5 are awful

upper plume
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you don't really tho

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you have a latios, alakazam, and rotom

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if you feel like you want a spinner, you have excadrill

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in fact, ferrothorn is useful because it provides hazards for your offensive Pokemon and can weaken rotom-w and jellicent for the benefit of mamoswine

white bronze
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hm alright

upper plume
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you can go for either a specially defensive leftovers set or an offensive rawst berry set

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the offensive set is a useful lead into opposing rotom because you bait it into burning ferro so you can power whip it

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meanwhile, the specially defensive set is a reliable hazard setter and buffer against opposing offensive Pokemon

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This analysis (that may have some grammatical issues) explains offensive Ferrothorn; defensive Ferrothorn is already written on the Smogon Dex

white bronze
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ferro is actually way better lol

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my problem now is dealing with blissey

upper plume
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blissey is not a common sight in bw ou

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but the way to beat it is to force passive damage onto it

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you also have trick on latios in case the rest of blissey's team is defensive

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I also think that Psychic on Latios is suboptimal because it doesn't help enough against much of the BW metagame; go with either Dragon Pulse for better coverage or Recover to help against Keldeo

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Rock Slide > Stone Edge on Ttar

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the extra power generally isn't as necessary against the likes of Volcarona and Thundurus-T, which are the main target of Rock-type coverage

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I mentioned before Adamant is the standard on Mamoswine

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What is 88 SpA on Rotom for?

white bronze
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damage

upper plume
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Is there any specific calcs that it's for?

white bronze
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no

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also need the damage for hp fire

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i need something to kill steels

upper plume
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why not burn them with will o wisp?

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you also have a Choice Band Mamoswine, which punches through Steels well

white bronze
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scizor

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also how should i beat fighting types

upper plume
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this team definitely will have issues with fighting types

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in particular, switching in

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teams with a similar structure to this would typically have a lando-t

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to handle scizor and the fighters

white bronze
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Band lando t?

upper plume
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nah, just lefties

white bronze
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Hm

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Im losing out on beating dragons and thundurus

upper plume
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this is what it'd look similar to

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your scarf latios assists with that

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and alakazam

white bronze
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How would you change the team i have rn

upper plume
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is there a Pokemon in particular you want to keep?

white bronze
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Honestly mamo

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Maybe my team would work by converting it to something else like hail or rain

upper plume
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Mamo is a common sight on rain, but it can also work on sand

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oh wait I have a team that's pretty much an identical structure

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ignore the double rocks, that should probably be spikes ferro

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wait I think I know where this team came from

white bronze
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Lol

upper plume
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OH I remember

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I built it for Hockey in RCoP

white bronze
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Im just tryna climb bruh

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Im stuck at like 1200s

upper plume
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this is a good team, it'll help you climb

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fs

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just click power whip on their rotom-w and you're chillin

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and uh

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make ferro spikes

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not rocks

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although, double rocks makes you really consistent against ho 🤔

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up to you

white bronze
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I just dunno about lando

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Getting rolled by rain

upper plume
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you have several weapons into rain

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pain split rotom, tyranitar, lum ferrothorn, latios

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and mamoswine can rk their lati and thundy

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even in your old team, alakazam was a useful piece into rain

white bronze
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Yeah

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Tbh

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Ttar is kinda pissing me off

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Hes kinda bad in gen 5

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Should I go weatherless?

upper plume
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Mamoswine is not seen on weatherless

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there are a handful of mamoswine teams in the samples if you want to use it

white bronze
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Where

karmic geyserBOT
toxic gulch
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Mamos is really good in rain and can works good too in sands.

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And hail too by extension i guess, but those are rare

toxic gulch
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And by extension, Zam I guess

shell quail
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toxic gulch
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Gen 8 double?

shell quail
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Doubles ou.

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Gen 8

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Only format I'm aware of where Pheromosa isn't considered an uber, interestingly enough.

young island
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tribal smelt
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Its very difficult to build with gapdos and that in mind

young island
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Tapu Lele & Dragapult as special offenses sounded solid against it to an extent, in my mind at least

tropic schooner
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It has no water resists

tribal smelt
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I think you have enough buttons to just kill them

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Pult lele fsight and gapdos braindead smashing brave bird

tropic schooner
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U have no real way of responding to urshifu with any type of pivoting

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Nothing switches is more than once

tribal smelt
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The coping mechanism to waters could be slowbro -> melmetal

tropic schooner
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Rain.

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Barraskewda.

tribal smelt
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But then you lose an offensive mon

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And stacking fsighters is mid

tropic schooner
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I will look at this more when i get home but

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It needs smth

tribal smelt
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Hm

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You could do slug -> lando

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And replace melm with a steel rocker

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Slug fsight gapdos seems fun

quartz remnant
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wow gen 8 is alive?!

tribal smelt
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Slug/corv/ferro/pult/gapdos/lele

young island
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Im here

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Sorry whats

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Slug

tribal smelt
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Gastro

young island
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Oh lol

tribal smelt
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Another alternative is to do
Slowbro/lando/corv/gapdos/pult/protect melm

young island
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Extremely heat and like something that I'd love to play with

tribal smelt
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It saves the entire shtick you want at the cost of being janky into status spam

tribal smelt
young island
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I'll try both ways

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Standard prot twave?

quartz remnant
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@tribal smelt can i ask you something in comp gen related to gen 8 🤔

tribal smelt
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Sure

tribal smelt
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Toxic also works vs zapdos reliant teams

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The general issue with gapdos isnt what it does which is smash the biggest brave bird in the dex

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Its managing zapdos

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Most gapdos teams are stuck on coping mechanisms vs zapdos rain

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And zapdos balance is very annoying

young island
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Gotcha

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Thanks a lot

quartz remnant
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its not really a balance haha, i guess a balance would be with pokemon like glowking?

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or baseking

tribal smelt
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This is just a good looking fsight offense

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No changes necessary

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Theres points for flavor when it comes to rotom w

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Will o wisp mainly

tender coral
quartz remnant
quartz remnant
tribal smelt
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Its risking a lot of 50/50s

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Biggest issue is knock -> switch

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Buzzwole ensures it

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Not getting clicks

quartz remnant
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how does it do wat ursh does here? just asking if there are any quirky band sets lol

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oh there is

tender coral
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quartz remnant
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doesnt pult/lele deal with it

tender coral
quartz remnant
lost ruin
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lost ruin
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how is this adv ou team? i started off going for physical offense with this, but i added skarmory and celebi to make it more of a balance team

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i've won a lot of ladder games with it

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although every time i look at it i feel like i did something wrong

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i'm open to any suggestions or comments

polar nacelle
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You don’t need both regice and celebi

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Also offensive spikes teams should never lack speed. Doing so makes you very susceptible to losing to any of the base 100 offensive Pokémon

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So you should fix both of those problems

lost ruin
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I'm a dumbass, I can just run pert instead of regice

lost ruin
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revised team

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polar nacelle
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And that flygon is not going to stop dedge ddtar

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Or even aero

lost ruin
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yeah speed is a big issue. i think i made a mistake with the concept of this team, possibly

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would a more aggressive spiker like cloyster or glalie help or would that just make the team get even more fucked by rock slide?

polar nacelle
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Not really

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I think

lost ruin
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yeah, that's what i thought. this started out as a glalie team but it sucked

polar nacelle
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Look at manas Medicham skarmjolt team

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One of the callous invitationals

lost ruin
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okay

quartz remnant
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mighty glacier
quartz remnant
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i just made this

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fym

mighty glacier
quartz remnant
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wym

mighty glacier
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ive played that team

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tons

quartz remnant
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inaccurate information

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i just fucking made it

noble mica
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low jasper
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A lot going on here.

Firstly,this seems to want to be hyper offense but it just seeens slapped together. Secondly, this annihilated by things like scarf lele. Set and Mon choices a bit off too.

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I highly suggest using a sample

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And viability rankings

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Because inteleon has no viability in ou either btw

dry crown
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For SM DOU

upper plume
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We don't really help with DOU here

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you can either ask in the Doubles OU rates channel or in the Doubles OU Discord server

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tender coral
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also make Chomp SpD rocks and Heatran flame body (can be any set you want without rocks)

round meteor
round meteor
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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 Spe
Bold Nature

  • Magma Storm
  • Earth Power
  • Toxic
  • Stealth Rock
low jasper
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Taunt or willo can be ran over toxic

round meteor
low jasper
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Ye

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Ok ty both

low jasper
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Np!

tender coral
round meteor
tender coral
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Thanks y’all ❤️

elfin rivet
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Ferrothorn, Tapu Koko, and Volcarona aren't in Gen 9 OU

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And this channel isn't even for gen 9 OU anyways

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What tier is this for?

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@elfin rivet

elfin rivet
elfin rivet
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nws, you uploaded the Pokepaste for Gen 9 OU and that confused me

elfin rivet
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is it a good team?

upper plume
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I'm trying to see who is a Gen 7 OU rater that is online

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you could do that

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just change the format to gen 7 ou and then reupload the Pokepaste here

elfin rivet
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haughty topaz
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https://pokepast.es/d58703d3ac5eb6e8
Gen 4 OU.. not for competitive but for battling friends and have some good trained mons for the hg ss battle frontier :)
What are your thoughts? This team is based on mons I have arlready trained / available in game and ones I like :)
What should I change? (Also Im new to competetive, thanks in advance!)

smoky lagoon
low jasper
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Is this ss ou

low jasper
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Well if it is

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I highly suggest you check samples although you do have ou viable mons this feels glued together by force and there isn’t really any cohesion

low jasper
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Oh I’m just seeing tera types 💀

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My point still stands tbh

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Samples and resources

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Etc

spring heart
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i’m quite new to this but here is my xy ou team

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quartz remnant
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the sets are all wrong

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theres a riolu

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no removal either

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id use samples tbh

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quartz remnant
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hows this lol? wanted lele clicks XD

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i could go like a electric check like seismitoad or zeraora or gastrodon for pex and swap garch for smthing else

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its only here for ground

tender coral
quartz remnant
tender coral
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so i replace wish with soft boiled?

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or twave with soft boiled

tender coral
quartz remnant
unkempt pasture
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unkempt pasture
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I have no experience with teambuilding before gen7 and i js kinda winged it

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give me pointers pls 🙏

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i know mega heracross isnt the best, but i really like it, and my fav mega is ubers.

heady flower
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gen 3 ou

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heady flower
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bombs

polar nacelle
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U don’t want to be locked into moves when ur trading down

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Consider ddmence instead

heady flower
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to me im thinking of swapping regirock for a dugtrio

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electrode is surprisingly cooking

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it doesnt hit hard but it does odd stuff that kinda works

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https://pokepast.es/3c3613ffbfee1218
been a while since I went on the DPP Ladder but I've been making pretty solid progress with this Anti-Lead Electrode team, was wondering if this could be optimized any sincethe progress i've made feels more like a lucky streak than anything

heady flower
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i need a diff sweeper

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prefereably one with defensive merits

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the bl list is promising

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but

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idk

polar nacelle
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nothing else on ur team is weak to ice

heady flower
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oh i mean boltbeam

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i struggle against like anything with boltbeam significantly

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since my team doesnt have that much bulk

cobalt vigil
# restive vortex https://pokepast.es/3c3613ffbfee1218 been a while since I went on the DPP Ladder...

Electrode is an inefficient lead because it heavily relies on 50/50 (with an instant death if prediction is wrong), doesn't provide any midgame utility and doesn't do anything by itself once it wins the Taunt mindgame. Scarf Tyranitar typically finds itself on bulkier teams. You are brutally weak to Skarmory, this is especially bad since you have no lure for it and your wincon in Nasty Plot Celebi can't touch it. The team needs to be reworked completely unfortunately

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so you need to have bulky teammates that can absorb hits reliably for these threats

uncut inlet
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https://pokepast.es/3b72ba248de3203d I wanted to make a team around hisuian goodra, and idk if this is the right channel to paste this team in bc im pretty new to comp and idk what half of the tiers really mean + if you guys have suggestions or can give me another team with this h-goodra i would very much appreciate it bc im pretty bad at teambuilding

restive vortex
uncut inlet
restive vortex
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skarmory, bulky latias, milotic, hippodown

uncut inlet
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what decides a team to be in ou old gen btw?

cobalt vigil
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bulky swampert

restive vortex
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ergo not gen 9

cobalt vigil
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bulky rotom

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That kind of thing

restive vortex
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do u have an example team cuz I don't really understand how one would core those guys together

cobalt vigil
restive vortex
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what do the 16 EVs on clef do

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and the Skarm EVs

cobalt vigil
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Here Tyranitar is useful because it secures entry hazards by trapping Starmie for example. Scarftar's other advantages include its ability to punish trick users, a common stallbreaking tactic in DPP, and being able to scare out most wallbreakers such as gengar, mixnite and infernape without mach punch

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240 spedef is a benchmark against +1 Timid Suicune's Hydro Pump

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There are several clef spreads, you can max - max too it's not too important

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Skarm's spedef take 2 Dracos from latias iirc

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In our example if a Dragon Dance user comes in and sets up it's not a big deal we have plenty of options

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With an offensive team you typiclly rely on ~2 pivots, which will be quickly weakened and unable to stomach a +1 Gyarados Waterfall/eq

restive vortex
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alr i'll try that out for a bit

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what helps to enable celebi, cuz I was assuming Heatran was enough there

cobalt vigil
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np celebi is often paired with Magnezone, which will typically exclude Heatran from the team

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I'm pretty sure Trick Iron Ball Metagross could work

restive vortex
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what does that target

cobalt vigil
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These teams need decent experience to build

cobalt vigil
restive vortex
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i don't understand

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oh nvm it grounds the holder

cobalt vigil
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it also help vs bronzong, and tanks dracos. It's typically a bulky variant with ~152 spedef

restive vortex
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the zongs or Iron Ball gross

cobalt vigil
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Iron ball Metagross

restive vortex
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like this or
Metagross @ Iron Ball
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 152 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Trick
  • Earthquake
  • Meteor Mash
  • Explosion
cobalt vigil
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yeah like that

torn nimbus
restive vortex
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kinda fearful of smth like flygon showing up but it hasn't happened yet

cobalt vigil
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@restive vortex You are very weak to earthquake, especially to Flygon (not only Scarf but also mixed). Also I would advise against Hariyama, who is a bad pokemon. Building with Nasty Plot Celebi is already a challenge, so I would stick with overused top tiers

polar nacelle
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you confuse me

heady flower
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oh wait I made like a new team already because this old one crumbles too easily

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just swapped out regirock and Snorlax with cloyster and dugtrio

polar nacelle
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sounds like the wrong move

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dont use cloyster and dug together

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and dont use gengar if you dont have spikes or dug

heady flower
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wait why not cloy and dug

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do I have to use a different spikes boomer

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heard glalie is pretty based

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heady flower
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this is the current core

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im looking for a sweeper

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with good defensive traits

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thats specifically not ttar

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unless its the best in this situation

stiff sail
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heady flower
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peak boom

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also electrode is really based, trust me

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Scizor @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • U-turn
  • Bullet Punch
  • Aerial Ace
  • Knock Off

Rotom-Wash @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Def / 12 Spe
Bold Nature

  • Volt Switch
  • Hydro Pump
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Rest

Breloom @ Life Orb
Ability: Effect Spore
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Bullet Seed
  • Mach Punch
  • Rock Tomb
  • Stun Spore

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Stone Edge
  • Avalanche
  • Ice Punch
  • Dragon Tail

Latios @ Soul Dew
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Calm Mind
  • Dragon Pulse
  • Recover
  • Grass Knot

Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Belly Drum
  • Aqua Jet
  • Play Rough
  • Knock Off
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Any tips on what needs improvement/ changing

upper plume
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Please

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Also, which tier is this for?

storm adder
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OU or UU

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I wanted to use mind from gen 4

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*Mons

upper plume
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Is this for Gen 4 OU then?

storm adder
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Ya

upper plume
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Ok, so I'm not a DPP rater but from what I can see

storm adder
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But I wanted it to be compatible with UU aswell if possible

upper plume
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This is definitely not a UU team

storm adder
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Why?

upper plume
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4 of your Pokemon are in Gen 4 OU

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And Play Rough does not exist in Gen 4 either

storm adder
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My mistake. I play in the gen 9 lobby

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I just wanted to use gen 4

upper plume
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Ok so this is for past gens of OU

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We don't help with Gen 9

storm adder
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Oh

upper plume
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In this thread

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Second

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We don't help with arbitrary rules like "only up to gen 4 Pokemon"

static yacht
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https://pokepast.es/72a2f8edda354de5 [adv ou] the original concept for this team was "hey vaporeon sounds pretty good on a special offense style team, I should try using it"
the final team ended up being really shitty lol

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static yacht
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I know this is an absolute mess and needs some serious polishing

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But I just wanted to goof around on ladder for a bit

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And the squad does that quite well

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(I should probably put psychic on celebi since it's my gengar switch)

static yacht
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I just realized charizard has fire punch

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This is a mistake

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It should be focus punch

slim glacier
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i wouldnt recommend using dragmag

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its pretty bad overall

slim glacier
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what are your recs then for a first time gen 5 ou player

gritty scaffold
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use sash rocks chomp , dnite , starmie , scarf jirachi

gritty scaffold
slim glacier
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ho?

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gritty scaffold
worldly walrus
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Lowk

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i do not think dragmag is horrendous or anything

slim glacier
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@slim glacier if ur adamant on using dragmag

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make sure to use jirachi

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jirachi is as much of a core component as magnezone imo

gritty scaffold
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specially with cloy banned

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lefties keld unironically 6-0

worldly walrus
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u should have dnite and latios

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and dragmag is not that bad with starmie > cloy

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and anw u can run magnezone, rachi and 4 dragons

gritty scaffold
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3*

worldly walrus
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i do agree it is inconsistent and matchup fishy

gritty scaffold
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you still need spinner

worldly walrus
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i know there's a decent spinless BKC dragmag

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but ye use uhh

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smurf

slim glacier
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i js wanted to try it out w chomp and latios i usually play gen 7 and up

slim glacier
gritty scaffold
worldly walrus
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yee

slim glacier
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latios on sand?

worldly walrus
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ye latios works on sand

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good with psyspam too

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latios is one of if not the best mons in the tier

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it is basically used with any playstyle

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not difficult to find a good team with it or build around it

slim glacier
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i know that js wondering cause sand damage

worldly walrus
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u mainly want to use scarf, specs or colbur

slim glacier
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i’ll try out a sand team then

worldly walrus
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nah latios is just so naturally bulky it doesnt mind

slim glacier
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t tar and excadrill i’m assuming

gritty scaffold
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ye

slim glacier
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lando t?

gritty scaffold
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you can use garchomp as a rocker

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landot also works

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glisc aswell

worldly walrus
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is like

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a decent core

slim glacier
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t tar and exca sets?

gritty scaffold
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use the ones from smogon

slim glacier
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aight

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Tyranitar (Gen 5)
Typing

Rock / Dark

Abilities

0: Sand Stream | H: Unnerve

Base Stats (BST: 600)

100 / 134 / 110 / 95 / 100 / 61

Weight

202 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

gritty scaffold
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oh wait wrong command

karmic geyserBOT
gritty scaffold
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here

worldly walrus
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ehh

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isnt the new norm like

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44+ ttar

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?

gritty scaffold
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not really

worldly walrus
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ic

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88+ is still good anw

gritty scaffold
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can still run careful

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like adamant just guarantees 2 hit ko on reun

worldly walrus
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but ye as a new player i recommend ttar + scarf sand force exca a lot im ngl

gritty scaffold
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meanwhile careful makes your spdef bigger

worldly walrus
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exca can click buttons and kind of win

slim glacier
gritty scaffold
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hm idt is good running scarf exca here

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like its scarf exca is not gonna be spinning often

slim glacier
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that’s what i thought

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it’s the build from moon

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moon

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smogon

gritty scaffold
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well scarf exca is a good set but you cant fit on all sand teams

worldly walrus
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i think here i dont like 3 ground types ngl

gritty scaffold
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its fine if you can cover mamo , waters. but yea that team doesnt have a ice resist

worldly walrus
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yea rotom-w is always a good include

gritty scaffold
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should be fine

slim glacier
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what set

gritty scaffold
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defensive

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also run stealth rock on that garchomp over dual chop , focus sash

worldly walrus
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dual chop is only good on

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scarf

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really

gritty scaffold
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id prob not run scarf exca here , run scarf lando

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because you struggle a bit into zam

slim glacier
gritty scaffold
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works fine

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if zam ends up a problem i’ll switch lando and exca sets

gritty scaffold
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i would prob run rslide tar over twave to okho volc

slim glacier
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aight

slim glacier
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yo i’m back i was looking through my old gen 7 ou teams and i think this was my best version of this one, can anybody verify if i should change anything

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inner mist
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Also this team seems soft into Outrage Spammers (AKA Chomp, Nite, Kyu-B)

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Chomp doesn't contribute any defensive integrity here so it ends up feeling kind of redundant

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I would swap Chomp with Ferro

acoustic harbor
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I am down for literally any input I just wanna use Breloom cause its fun

kind shadow
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ADV team

cobalt vigil
acoustic harbor
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ight

silent edge
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Is this team any good https://pokepast.es/eaa1c148e8c98e45 (its been a while since ive played gen 3 ou so this very well either be a team I made or...not a team I made. I apologize if its a sample and not only that but why does the game say I have hidden power grass jirachi when I don't?)

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think about it, why spend all the effort to chip mons and set spikes when youre going to steamroll them with +6 curselax?

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or vice versa

silent edge
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Fair, its been a while since I've tried gen 3. At least its not unsalvagable. What do you reccomend to replace lax?

polar nacelle
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you will want a sweeper that benefits from spikes putting into a range to ohko

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choose your favorite sweeper

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aero mie zap molt etc

silent edge
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Like banded salamence?

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Also zap is a sweeper in gen 3?

polar nacelle
silent edge
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I swapped it for aerodactyl

static yacht
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You get in you click thunderbolt and you make things happen

silent edge
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Im quickly learning forretress is tankier thanI thought

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Also what makes CBmense not a sweeper but aerodactyl and zapdos are?

static yacht
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Zapdos is both really fast and really strong (+ it can switch moves) while not needing mag by virtue of putting the fear of god into skarm

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Aero isn't fantastic into skarm 1v1 but banded rock slides add up

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Aero is also faster than everything that isn't jolteon or itself so it's one of the best cleaners in ou

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Cb mence is more of a wallbreaker than a sweeper

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You get it in and try to punch holes

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If you think they have skarm you can double switch straight to magneton and save yourself 6% health from sand chip

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That being said, cbmence is still really good

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If you can get it in often a lot of teams just crumple to repeated band hpflying

polar nacelle
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i think cbmence is not a beginner mon

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it basically should almost never be used

silent edge
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static yacht
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In which case pert can become the standard tank set since you have blissey to take status

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If forre isn't running boom it's kind of a shitty mon imo

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And if it's running boom it's walled by one of gengar or magneton

silent edge
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A spinner isnt needed?

static yacht
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Your grounded mons (ttar blissey pert) function incredibly well with or without spikes

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Especially alongside wish blissey (which I highly recommend)

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If you really wanted to you could run offensive starmie in the last slot so you have the option of spin

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Mie is a good sixth on these kinds of teams anyway and rapid spin is never a bad thing

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If you're dead set on spinning I'd just swap pert for a claydol

silent edge
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static yacht
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Especially the variants that beat bliss 1v1 (i.e. sub/rest cune, sub/wish rachi, leech/recover celebi

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There's also not much offense here

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It kind of hinges on mag to not get destroyed by opposing skarm/forre

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Tbf that's one of mag's downsides as a whole (being one double switch away from nearly losing the game on the spot if your opponent has skarm + dug)

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I think something like a milotic would do this team nicely

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Mixed attackers (particularly mixmence) seem really annoying for this build

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Skarm gets 2 shot, mag dies, dug is self explanatory (and gives mence a free turn every time it traps something), claydol has to explode to do anything, pert doesn't even have ice beam to kill back, and bliss is one spike away from being unable to switch into brick break

silent edge
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So milotic > swamp here

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Also hitting gengar might be a problem, dugtrio doesn't like taking giga drain or shadow ball or ice punch, magnet doesnt like fire punch or shadow ball, clay doll is a maybe but again it doesnt like giga drain or ice punch, pursuit Ttar gets rid of steels while milotic and wish blissey help against salamence.

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static yacht
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it is a physical move

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also mag resists ghost anyway

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btw pursuit ttar does not get rid of steels

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they resist pursuit 💔

silent edge
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I mostly meant forretress and Skarmory

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The main ones that can take on or threaten dugtrio

static yacht
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Ok forretress maybe

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But a good forre will switch out of ttar whether you've revealed fire blast or not

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You can chip it with pursuit but it'll still be annoying

silent edge
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Yeah thats fair

static yacht
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Skarm definitely not

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Fire blast doesn't come anywhere close to killing and you just get toxic protect stalled

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If you're smart you can fire blast > do whatever on the protect turn > pursuit it as it switches

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You force more chip on it and you save one fire blast pp

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If you're based you run fast ttar with taunt

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It's the one ttar that truly denies a turn 1 spike

silent edge
static yacht
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It is a 2hko

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But you fire blast it once

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then it protects

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then it switches out

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it still has a good amount of health

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you've burned 2-3 fire blast pp

quartz remnant
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quartz remnant
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thoughts?

silent edge
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static yacht
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Also please put thunderbolt on that gengar I beg of you

atomic token
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Where can my team from Emerald be rated?

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I neither understand the channels here nor the abbreviations.

tall wedge
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This isn’t meant to rate in game teams

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If that is what you’re asking

atomic token
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This group is called "Old generations OU", whatever OU means. And Emerald is older than Karmesin and Purpur.

atomic token
upper plume
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There really isn't a need to rate a team for an in-game playthrough because you can make a wider variety of Pokemon work when your goal is to beat the Elite Four instead of trying to beat other players that will assume both you and they have a wider variety of Pokemon at their disposal

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You can talk about the Pokemon games in #pkmn-general, and that may be your best option for fulfilling your question

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Alternatively, if you're asking about a team for the Battle Frontier, Smogon has a section for that as well

atomic token
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Thank you. The informations are not self explanatory.

proven path
karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

proven path
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im really not happy with the last two slots, but im not sure how else to fit a fogger

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and i needed to fix the lando weakness

proven path
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this is the version im laddering with rn

quartz remnant
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just curious im not rating it lol

proven path
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that is a fantastic question

low jasper
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I think pult can be your speed control more immediately threatning which this team needs and helps the rain. Matchup which there is alot of pressure on ferrothorn to handle that.

  1. I would make ferro helmet here I generally think it is better especially it being physdef and getting knocked almost all the time.

  2. Since you are running para support I feel sub nastyplot can be used effectively (dropping roost) not 100 percent necessary but it’s a decent suggestion.

That’s the changes id make personally

low jasper
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karmic geyserBOT
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silent edge
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Should I go standard def swamp or surf def swamp

polar nacelle
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But u should change the tar set

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Use 4atks physical tar

silent edge
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Do I keep pursuit as one of the physical attacks or change it out?

cinder plinth
karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cinder plinth
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SV Ubers main here

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cm lele and 70 bp glide looked pretty fun to me im ngl

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but i have very little experience in the tier

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and no tera also seems fun

proven path
cinder plinth
proven path
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Does helm ferro fix that or is it just bad for this style

low jasper
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Ferro is a check

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Yes

static yacht
silent edge
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....right physical/special split hadn't happened yet

polar nacelle
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This is adv

verbal kite
karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

verbal kite
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Been trying to get back,and gen 7 is probably my favorite meta ,and mostly Wondering if anything looks particularly outdated or needs changing

vast oracle
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5 looks okay together just dont forget to change gren’s ability to battle bond

verbal kite
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Mostly what you mentioned,it being fun ,and in general it's got a lot of unique traits despite being an overall weaker Zard Y, it's an effortless stall breaker,unique typing and speed tier ,and it's got a pretty good match up against slower and balanced teams

vast oracle
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#comp-general

raw hornet
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It got verified on a french pokemon strategy site

vast oracle
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idk what that is but the team itself looks fine

timber lance
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dragmag with 1 drag should have you arrested for misinfo/s

raw hornet
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Dont bother with the name i just used smthin random

vast oracle
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you usually run mtias on these structures but some can still run mtios instead and yea looks solid

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only change is prob knock over taunt on tornt

verbal kite
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Thanks for the feedback, really appreciate it

fickle tulip
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ice, water, psychic moves and shadow ball just claim kills if you don't have them

cinder plinth
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Rip

fickle tulip
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shifu gives speed control and a weavile answer while melm is really good in gterrain

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Can go spdef garchomp and zapdos pr tornadus

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Heatran is also good with grassy terrain, can do that too

cinder plinth
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Oh nice

raw hornet
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When i built the team i built it entirely around latios+mag

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karmic geyserBOT
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silent edge
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Im deciding of forretress and salamance should go or stay

uncut warren
karmic geyserBOT
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uncut warren
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I didn't find the need too much for Rapid Spin for Claydol tbh on my team but I find Swampert/Flygon less useful

static yacht
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you have gengar and moltres and no willowisp

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please rectify this immediately

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also what in gods name is that ttar set

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also also why is skarm whirlwind and not roar (whirlwind reveals no drill peck and soundproof is banned so roar is optimal)

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also also also why are you using claydol if you're not spinning

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ngl if you swap dol for pert and rachi for blissey this is the most standard 6 in the universe

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i'm gonna be real that gengar set hurts to look at

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if you swap focus punch for wisp and put the attack evs in defense you have a good gar

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44 defense with 248 hp is actually the exact benchmark for +1 mence hpflying

uncut warren
# static yacht where is the willowisp

I prefer to have this set for Moltres since Blissey/Starmie are the most common entry points for this Moltres set I find little value for Will o Wisp on this one

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Focus Punch is just to surprise an incoming Blissey/Ttar and earn a KO or trade with Blissey so Moltres can run

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I'll change Whirlwind for Roar

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TTar I won't lie I don't know to build him for this team

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And I don't find value much in spinning but having Boom + levitate + not being quad weak to something is nice

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I tried Swampert then Flygon and I prefer this Claydol set tbh

static yacht
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Yes they come in on molt

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Yes they have recover

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But if you burn them you force them to switch to heal it off

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Blissey comes in, you click wisp

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With spikes and sand it just lost 25%

uncut warren
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But they can stay for a while though I mean Blissey can threaten a paralysis in return and so on

static yacht
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...so switch

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being able to stay in for a while is better than staying in forever if you just fire blast or something

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you have an entire blissey/spdef rachi to sit on them and wish to the rest of your team

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speaking of which I would suggest swapping rachi for blissey so opposing twave blissey doesn't annoy you

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you also don't have a great answer to opposing molt iirc

static yacht
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It can run a bulky set either physical or special

uncut warren
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I don't have a very good Switch in on Blissey it's why

static yacht
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If you swap molt for aero you can run double banded rock types

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It could very reasonably run a dd set

static yacht
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wishtect rachi gets ruined by twave and doesn't appreciate fire moves

uncut warren
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Maybe I should try to do another team

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Because it's more than a few changes

static yacht
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nah this team structure is really good

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spikes + sand + gengar + ground type + special wall + spikes abuser

uncut warren
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But tbf I really want to keep Claydol on this team I don't know why it does the job so well

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The worst Ground type for this team was maybe Flygon

static yacht
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One of the main reasons why swampert is standard on this kind of team is it fends off ddtar and metagross (y'know, two of the scariest physical attackers in the tier)

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Ttar runs hpbug on dd sets more often than not

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The problem with claydol is it takes neither meteor mash nor hpbug

uncut warren
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Yes it's not a very good Metagross Switch in

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For Metagross in general I use Moltres

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Bc it OHKO's with Flamethrower and Spikes + Flamethrower + Overheat can kill almost any Switch ins

static yacht
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why not just

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switch to skarm

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and not risk your molt getting rock slided

uncut warren
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I do that too

static yacht
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and get up spikes while you're at it

uncut warren
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But it's more passive, it depends a lot of who has more HP in the situation

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I have also 3 mons with Protect to scout out Band sets for Metagross and Aerodactyl

static yacht
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Protect molt is really good

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But without wisp it's kind of a waste

uncut warren
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I hear you

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I think maybe I should put Wisp at least on Gengar

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But I really really like this set of Moltres, Overheat on Modest Moltres is a refreshing wallbreaker

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And protect is more important than Wisp here I think

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Do you have a good DD Ttar set for this team ?

static yacht
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Protect scouts choice band mons right

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Y'know what choice banders use to hit moltres?

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Rock slide

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And y'know what takes rock slide

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Ground types

static yacht
uncut warren
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Ou Moltres and Claydol with HP Bug/Rock Slide

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Like it was so important for so many games for me 😭

static yacht
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Pert takes even banded earthquakes and hpbugs no problem

uncut warren
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The problem with Swampert is why I switched to Claydol, it's Zapdos

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Zapdos is really really good against this team if Jirachi is out

silent edge
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Any raterd online?

karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

polar nacelle
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like on this it might be possible to do without but i wouldnt recommend it

silent edge
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Hmmm maybe heracross > salamence?

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Wait

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Its bug, im stupid.

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Claydol > foretress could work. Though we might want to keep spikes.

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Actually no flying resist is gonna hurt.

noble mica
karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

static yacht
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Dug doesn't count and breloom is super frail so it doesn't exactly want to switch into banded rock slide

silent edge
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I made a different team using Claydol over breloom

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I think it was this

static yacht
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I feel like this just gets picked apart by aero tss

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Tss in general

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Even something like moltres or starmie last on that structure can really annoy you with spikes and sand

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karmic geyserBOT
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