Old Gens OU

[rugged fossil]

Alom is only for stall teams

[mighty glacier]

😭

[mighty glacier]

i was thinking lando and magearna got no healing so why not slap a wish passer on there

[patent estuary]

Forgive me in advance if this team would look like it's all over the place.
Gen 4 OU Sand Team with Azelf lead. Weird right?
https://pokepast.es/11116fe324b58dc4

[lime viper]

Also on gen 4, don't have teambuilding experience so I'm looking for suggestions and possible changes for this U-turn offense team https://pokepast.es/566ff19716bc64b7. Much apreciated.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gusty jungle]

So is this better?
https://pokepast.es/9a49556d8a9b78b5

Wait wrong one

https://pokepast.es/21ce92097cb83c8e

This is the right one

[cobalt vigil]

Put a sash on Heatran with Max speA max Spe Hasty nature
Scarf Tyranitar fits on stall -> use berry tar instead
You could change Infernape -> Rotom / Latias (the most common scarfers for offense) but Scarf Jirachi can have its place here

[cobalt vigil]

Tyranitar is on half the teams and it also fits on offense, so it's not too surprising to see it alongisde Azelf.
When starting out it's important that you use the sample sets; Lucario uses its raw power not super effective coverage so expert belt is a bad item on him. Swampert doesn't use brick break because it's the same power as Earthquake on relevant targets.
If you want a offensive suicide lead Azelf go for Sash with + Speed invesment so you can a) Taunt opposing Azelf and b) boom before starmie spins.
You team right now doesn't commit to a theme : Azelf means offense / HO while Swampert, Flygon and this magnezone set require bulkier forms of offense. Texbook Azelf offense can be something like Azelf-Gyarados-Tyranitar-Steel Type-Fighting Type-Rotom

[cobalt vigil]

The metagame is 15+ years old now and the relevent sets have already been found out. Trying to make 'new' sets is mostly a time waste, especially if you don't have prior metagame knowledge. The most efficient way to learn the tier would be to use try out the sample teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/
I can recommend the Metagross + Swords Dance Scizor Offense and the Zapdos hyper offense teams

[patent estuary]

I feel like my team is a mishmash of Azelf lead HO, sand abusers and a fragment of Superman

[cobalt vigil]

Superman in dpp would be something very defensive like this https://pokepast.es/f87da524a14dce3a

You can opt either for ho or offense / bulky offense

Trying to make both will mostly mean failing at both

Because of team pacing issues

For example Flygon locks itself into earthquake

Specs Latias comes in -> you lose a mon

Because your defensive backbone is not there to cover scarf flygon's bad locks issues

Breloom causes a similar problem

[lime viper]

I didn't try to make new movesets, just put coverage that seemed to make sense. Even if I'm not the best team builder, I know a lil bit of the tier (ELO 1350). I've been using exactly that team you said and feel like I'm not enjoying the tier lately (aka, I stopped liking the team), that's why I tried to make the team.
Also, making a team of my own helps getting better, or do I heard...
So, yeah, it's the second time someone here told me to use a sample team 😦

[cobalt vigil]

Standards sets are already listed on the guides (which have been updated a year ago). Jirachi has no Life Orb sets for example https://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/jirachi/
This is an alternative way for you to learn the meta and find common teammates when building a team.

[gusty jungle]

Would Rotom-H be fine?

Or does it have to be wash

[lime viper]

Forgot about that, yeah. I adapted the movesets to look more like the standard+ u turn and have a little more success

[cobalt vigil]

Wash is fine, it's not too important

You are clicking thunderbolt 90% of the time

[gusty jungle]

Ok was just wondering since metagross sounds a little worrisome

Tysm

[silent edge]

Gen 7 ou team for sand https://pokepast.es/04315c7668c448d1

Started out as an attempt to make balance with pex and thorn but slowly transitioned into sand especially when I decided to use Mchomp, kart, and ferrothorn I just said "know what might as well throw ttar in there"

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent edge]

Vested ttar has been super handy in adding chip damage to mons that want to swap put like zard, chancey, heatran

As well as giving coverage for hidden power fire specs lele

Clef handles focus blast lele

Mega Chomp also helps revenge kill drill if it gets a kill after sd.

[rugged fossil]

Im fine w the structure

Your missing out on a Z user

And

Assault vest ttar needs to be swapped

Like for a offensice set

Like Z rockium

Clef could be lo and lele mu is ass

So u could go like

z ttar + mchomp + scarf tana + lo clef + celesteela + tom wash

[rugged fossil]

Char Y usually runs focus blast , chansey always does like fixed damage through s toss and ttar has no tecivery , and heatran always takes magma damage

[rugged fossil]

Clef looses to

Lele

It resosts focus blast due to its fairy typing

However its neutral to psycic

Lele could easily exploit terrain boosted psycic

The team u build lacks offensice pressure

For being a weather team

[rugged fossil]

Use this structure instead

Ttar does not need to be Z here

[silent edge]

I am fixing it however what should the z ttar have for evs

[rugged fossil]

You could go Z steela

[rugged fossil]

252 atk 132 hp 124 spee

Adamant

[silent edge]

I do like pursuit ttar honestly but would it fit on z tar?

[rugged fossil]

U can go

Z steela

And make

Ttar band

Or black glasses

[silent edge]

Evs for z steela?

[rugged fossil]

Prolly like

Naive max atk spee

Groundium Z

Cpuld go firium, steelium or flyniym

But groundium hits

Pex and tran

[silent edge]

Does it still do well again lele?

[rugged fossil]

Ye

[silent edge]

Damn celesteela is tanky

[rugged fossil]

You can ping

Diyusi to

Double check w the build

But i believe it should be fine

You can go Z rock ttar and spD steela

If your feeling weird about

The lele mu

[silent edge]

What does the z rock moveset run?

[rugged fossil]

Stone , crunch ,

Eq and filler

[silent edge]

Is it just stone crunch pursuit eq or smth-i see

https://pokepast.es/2750b89f0e01a214

[rugged fossil]

Give clef rocks

Give tom wash 12 spee

Ttar 124 spee 132 hp remaining atk

[silent edge]

Same evs for clef?

https://pokepast.es/1f017b179aa1c3f0 there

[vivid kraken]

gsc ou https://pokepast.es/fa504d8692e48a01

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 2] OU RMT @half jungle, @silver reef, @fresh thistle, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[midnight bramble]

Gen 7 OU, tried to mix sand and bulkers but honestly is feels like a mish mash of sludge, wanting to modify the team while having the same spirit but i'm not good at coherent teambuilding
https://pokepast.es/5fc817cd9178ac42

[tropic schooner]

Z is far better on kyub than power herb

[midnight bramble]

oh yeah that's an oldie i never changed mb

still freeze shock icium Z?

[naive stump]

Yh, sableye is really a hard one to fit

Outside of stall or semi stall

Esp when sand is also a playstyle that require to focus solely on it

Like, sand chip sounds really bad with sableye

Overall, there's two directions to go from here

Either u keep sableye + skarm and u go for stall/semi-stall

Either u go for ferro/skarm exca ttar

Then u can rebuild a proper sand squad

[midnight bramble]

Damn tough choice ngl

I like Sableye as much as I like Sand Rush Exca

but Kyurem-Black is good in both cases right?

[naive stump]

Nope

[midnight bramble]

Ok,

i was just wondering why you didn't even mention him

[naive stump]

Yh

Usually, KB fit BO, offense and HO

Balance might be possible

[midnight bramble]

would Magic Guard Clef fit in sand?

[naive stump]

Yh

It makes sense with ttar

[midnight bramble]

Yeah

[naive stump]

I think if u want to build sand

U need to focus on how u want to win with the team

Like mttar + exca is a strong core

But need prob a last slot to fully work

https://pokepast.es/a7dbb4a163282e75

[midnight bramble]

mega ttar hmm

i was going with mega diancie

[naive stump]

The thing is that it's complicate to use base ttar

Not a lot item to run on it

[midnight bramble]

yeah my take was smooth rock, i do that with of my sand stream mons

[naive stump]

Yh, but idk if it's that worth to have a higher amont of sand turn

Since the thing that counter exca

[midnight bramble]

then i should mttar and replace diancie with hippo?

[naive stump]

Dont really care about it being faster for longer

Ok

[midnight bramble]

oh shit hippo is UU, since when

[naive stump]

So, the thing with weather in SM OU

Is that u never run a second setter

[midnight bramble]

Ok

[naive stump]

Since it's useless and worse

U are prob stacking weakness

With sand

[midnight bramble]

ok i didn't see it that way

[naive stump]

Only exca only really abuse it

And, as I said, exca counter dont care about it being faster for longer

Like, celesteela, skarmory, zapdos, ...

Instead, if u want to build around exca outspeeding everyone and sweeping the team

Need a way to remove those annoying counter

[midnight bramble]

I see

[naive stump]

Or, at least, put them in a position where they can't take

Let's say

Swords Dance steelium excadrill

[midnight bramble]

ah so replacing orb with steelium

[naive stump]

Just use that

If u want to learn sand in sm ou

[midnight bramble]

I see

Thank you, I will learn

[naive stump]

Np

[silent edge]

So M sabeleye can't even work on balance? Dang

[naive stump]

Yh, the profile of sableye is a weird one

Since it will usually force a second defogger such as skarm and glis because u-turn ground rocker + fairies rocker have a good MU into it

And, unlike Diancie, sableye doed not really pressure (even if foul play sableye is kinda cool to patch this issue)

So, it usually means that ur team will be revolved around a stall-ish dynamic because sableye:
-is naturally passive
-unlike torn or pex, is really weak to chip damage

[silent edge]

https://pokepast.es/1bab7b2b02dbf3ff clefable feels very replaceable on this team.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent edge]

Without defense investment it feels pretty frail to be the stealth rocker.

[naive stump]

Yh, weird structure

The best sand setter with mchomp is usually hippo

Base ttar is alright but it's usually only good on specific teams

With specific sets

Like scarf or AV

I would also remove clef, kart and rotom

For pex torn and exca

Well

Tbf, it depend of what u wanted to build

Since there's also a legit way to rebrand the team around ttar + kart instead of mchomp

Hum

Ping me again and tell me what u want to keep the most

[mighty glacier]

https://pokepast.es/7f6b582299b0fad8

😎

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @agile saffron, @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo, @worldly walrus, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty glacier]

my attempt at terrakion fat

[gritty scaffold]

you cant really fit on weatherless

[upper plume]

keldeo.

[gritty scaffold]

as terrakion benefit from sand is really good

[mighty glacier]

oh alr

[gritty scaffold]

and yea this is just 6-0 by keldeo lol

[mighty glacier]

ive played a whole 2 games of gen 5 ou 😭

[gritty scaffold]

you usually just want rocks in a terrak team

scarf lando maybe over gliscor

and latios over skarm

and ttar over magnezone

oh yea and u might want to change starmie for exca

[mighty glacier]

alr

ty

https://pokepast.es/9a43e322c4181512 @gritty scaffold

what latios set

i dont wanna run 4 choiced mons

[gritty scaffold]

why run scarf drill

u can just run cm latios ig

[upper plume]

I'm not convinced about Choice Latios as a sole Keld check tbh

[gritty scaffold]

with colbur

[upper plume]

Without Spikes

[mighty glacier]

i used a sand sample and it had scarf drill

[gritty scaffold]

fitting spikes on terrak isnt easy

[mighty glacier]

so i thought thats what it used in sand

[gritty scaffold]

unless ur using with shitmons like slowking

maybe change ferro over reun

[gritty scaffold]

excadrill has alot of options

[mighty glacier]

https://pokepast.es/4251d317472a1db1

something like this wokr?

work*

[upper plume]

Why not go SubPass Bi

That + Terrak is like

The best combo

[gritty scaffold]

subpass is really bad

[mighty glacier]

whats bi

[gritty scaffold]

celebi

[upper plume]

Celebi

[mighty glacier]

ah

[upper plume]

What makes it bad?

[gritty scaffold]

id run gyro over knock

[gritty scaffold]

its really easy to dont let set up

and to punish such thing

[mighty glacier]

screech pursuit ttar 😎

let me cook

[upper plume]

No

[gritty scaffold]

No

[upper plume]

Actually

Maybe it could work on Reun

[gritty scaffold]

Your literraly giving free turns

[upper plume]

But if you're new I wouldn't

[mighty glacier]

new to gen 5 but ive been playing gen 7 abt 2 years

[upper plume]

Exactly

[silent edge]

Hmmm probably mega chomp

It's seen less in sand than kart tends to be

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/d456536efe910638

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[robust juniper]

SS OU https://pokepast.es/805e0a15886b090c

[fickle tulip]

specs is a better set imo but if you're using cm run leftovers scald secret substitute, cress is unviable and this team lacks a steel, pult sponge, koko isn't a very good defogger and dpulse does nothing on tornadus

this framework doesn't really work imo so changes that could be made are too broad without giving a couple mons you want to keep / an idea

[lyric basalt]

Idk how to make a link on pokepaste so uh is this good it's for gen 8 ou

[gusty jungle]

!pokepaste

[karmic geyser]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1158775180735291453/pokepaste1.png?ex=651d78fc&is=651c277c&hm=5d0b952a78e50b944a63f5e16a9006dffbf6f8fe900cede444f1c65b965a064a&

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1158775180492013660/pokepaste2.png?ex=651d78fc&is=651c277c&hm=2d3caf4b912c30f438c896f0b696d9c80bd50d9e5a4a8ed067bca9e5dbf6ff3c&

[lyric basalt]

https://pokepast.es/8906268d94a83318

This good

And also ignore the gmax and the sand Veil pretend I put rough skin there

[upper plume]

That Volcarona set looks super cursed

[robust juniper]

is Cres just a bad choice in this team or is it unviable as a whole ?

[fickle tulip]

Its unviable as a whole outside of trick room teams

[robust juniper]

it feels pretty good thou

really nice bulk

[gritty scaffold]

Its just so passive

[runic rain]

Bruh

[flint ridge]

Lol

I never realized that

[runic rain]

Same

[burnt lichen]

https://pokepast.es/7b8e15d9ea8a1461

Gen 7 OU Team ^^^

[naive stump]

This does not look good

There's two mega

And mpert is mainly for rain

No z-move as well

Therefore, ur team is kinda losing to a bunch of common threat

Like ashgren

U can maybe keep that pert koko lucha and turn the team into some rain HO maybe

[burnt lichen]

think i should keep alakazam? I agree with you on everything idk my friend made the team

[naive stump]

Not really

Base zam is not good in sm ou

[burnt lichen]

mega alakazam??

[naive stump]

Esp if u are trying to fit it on rain

Base zam

Not mzam

[burnt lichen]

i usually use mzam

dont really mega evo Swampert as I only use it as a pivot

half the time Mega Alakazam sweeps the team

[naive stump]

In that case

U are wasting an item on pert

• base pert is basically a worse gastrodon/toad

[burnt lichen]

I can probably turn into a rain team

with Koko and replacing Pert with Gastrodon?

[naive stump]

Nah

Not running mpert on rain feels very wasteful

What I said before is that we should cut mzam

[burnt lichen]

ok

[burnt lichen]

any suggestions to put on a rain team?

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/b1c8809bbdd23c7e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive stump]

Something like this

[burnt lichen]

wait it's never happened before but i'm really new. Do electric type moves not effect Swampert?

[naive stump]

Yh

[burnt lichen]

ok

[naive stump]

Because it's a ground type

[burnt lichen]

ty btw you've helped me so much in 30 mins than any of my friends or myself 😭

[naive stump]

Np lol

[olive stag]

How do I build a balance team in Gen 8 OU?

[tribal smelt]

Theres some general ideas

When I want to start off and have it easy for myself I stare at Mguard clefable specifically

"Im feeling a supportive set, what do I want to support?"

For instance we do Melm

"Ok what beats Melm"

Melm support

"Ok how do I want to supplement that, offense or defense"
Etc. Etc.

[silent edge]

https://pokepast.es/73647a10e4640948

Looked at other gen 3 TSS sample teams. I've realized they don't tend to be very fast and I think I've got what I need.

Physical sweeper and special wall being lax

Zap and swamp help with phasing

Zap and gengar help against spikes

Gengar helps block rapidspin

Tyranitar supports fortress

Fortress is both the rapid spinner and spike setter

Is there anything I am missing?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent edge]

And swampert and Zap also help spread toxic.

[olive stag]

Thank you. Ive been stuck in the ideas of having a phys wall, special wall, breaker, sweeper,... ,... Sort of thing

[tribal smelt]

SS is malleable enough where terms like this arent really applicable

Even balance can be pretty hard to call

Since it sometimes looks incredibly similar to bulky offense

I usually dont think of those terms when building, limits build ideas a lot

Torn T clef Melm Pult ground water can as an example radically change depending on what the water is and what the water type is

[silent edge]

Any gen 3 raters around?

[olive stag]

Sorry for the late reply and I appreciate your help. I'll try to restructure my thinking and put something together. I think DD pult is pretty strong so I've been trying to pair it with zone and really like slowbro with magnezone but then I'm usually left with wide open holes once I have the other 3 pokes I feel

[fickle tulip]

dd pult is an ho mon

[olive stag]

I don't understand why

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tranquil mango]

OK I will delete it

[tepid linden]

https://pokepast.es/3205c5de655b584d

What do y'all think about this team?

[upper plume]

uh

which tier is this for?

[fickle tulip]

sm

[upper plume]

I see

[fickle tulip]

I'm pretty sure its a gen 5 theme team in sm

[silent edge]

It's early in the morning, is there any gen 3 raters around

[leaden fiber]

thinking too generally w. structure not enough w interactions

main issue is lax doesnt rly fit pn this type of thing

if it ever sleeps its not being allowed to wake up

But more generally forre zap pert suittar is a fine / standard build usually u want like a giga gar or smt to help w . offpert

[silent edge]

Hmmmm do I have to scrap it and use a sample or is it salvageable. Also gar gets giga drain?

[timid pasture]

Rest on Snorlax looks too passive to me. EQ would let you punish Ttar and Metagross on switch

If you’re running Lax over Blissey on a team like this it’s to get some monentum and you can’t really afford to wait around with Rest also you have ttar to block Will-O-Wisp anyway

Brick Break or Focus Punch would also hit Skarmory neutrally at the cost of Gross caring less

Zapdos’s set is also pretty passive for this team, you say it’s to help with Spikes but TSS mons like Refresh Swampert and Blissey can survive it forever and Celebi and other special attackers can overpower it

Because there’s no special dragon dance, mixed/special offense is liable to invest more in spikes

Defensive leaning TSS isn’t bad, I just fear you’re going to get outstalled by stuff like Blissey or preyed on for overusing Rest

An idea that’s popped into my head is to replace Zapdos with Wish CM Psychic Fire Punch Jirachi. This set can frighten non cm Blissey and (riskily) provide healing to the rest of the team, especially Swampert and Snorlax

This would not help with offensive pert though

Your Zap doesn’t have to go but if it doesn’t imo you want more overall counterplay against Lax/Ttar/Blissey

[tender coral]

yeah you don't need to think about the tier so rigidly, just decide on what you want to build around and follow Cyber's advice in general

[tender coral]

@robust juniper Cresselia is also viable on hyper offence teams looking for some defensive backbone that can pull off a healing wish lategame, but it's very limited outside of that

[robust juniper]

yeah okay thanks

[tepid linden]

Hi fellas,
https://pokepast.es/e304d5f0d2433c58
I beg for y'all to rate this (I'm a noob)

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

just a weird team in general outside of the sets, it feels like it wants to be HO (you're putting six offensive Pokemon together) but they have no synergy whatsoever

you don't have a screen setter, no emergency hazard removal, etc

[tender coral]

lmk what you wanted to build around with your original team if you want to get an idea of what works in the tier

[robust juniper]

lmao nah I was just playing around

I just wanted to somehow make a team with rusted sword because it's a cool sounding item although doing nothing

[olive stag]

It was said that DD pult is an HO build but I don't see why. Could you shed some light on this?

[tender coral]

HO typically empowers setup sweepers like DD Pult

other structures usually want Pult to make immediate progress instead of being a sweeper

[olive stag]

Ah okay I get it now thank you. I was envisioning a build similar to what you would see hawlucha on

[tender coral]

yeah that's HO

well there are some rare BO builds with Hawlucha, but those are the exception rather than the rule

[olive stag]

Hmm maybe I'm still stuck in an old way of team structure then

https://pokepast.es/782f40edb8a67fc4

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[olive stag]

This is something like I had in mind

[tribal smelt]

This is pretty silly yh

Not a fan

[olive stag]

I guess I'll try my hand at HO then 😅

[silent edge]

https://pokepast.es/62bea196b33c0bb3 without zap don't I have a big ground weakness?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[timid pasture]

Focus Punch not Blast. Focus Blast isn’t in gen 3

And yeah OffPert and Flygon are kinda threatening here

Giga Drain on Gar helps though

You also probably dont want Rachi in the lead slot

[candid prairie]

yeah can you guys at least play with these teams before you ask for ratings

[lyric basalt]

https://pokepast.es/1663ef377d901402 what do yall think about this team it's gen7 OU

[candid prairie]

this pokepaste is formatted incorrectly, i also suggest you check out the smogon dex sets for these pokemon

and the viability rankings, because you have a lot of lowly rated pokemon

[lyric basalt]

Why is the pokepaste formatted incorrectly

[candid prairie]

did you copypaste the team directly into it or did you type the team in manually

[lyric basalt]

Directly

[candid prairie]

there’s no spaces between the pokemon sets

regardless these sets are all bad and most of the pokemon themselves aren’t great

[lyric basalt]

ah ok

What pokemon should I keep

[candid prairie]

you have 2 megas and both have bad sets

greninja and zard y are both good but kinda conflict a bit because the sun can weaken greninja’s attacks

[lyric basalt]

Hm

[candid prairie]

gardevoir is ok if supported properly

it can pair well with greninja if you want to go that route

[lyric basalt]

So any ideas

[candid prairie]

greninja can set spikes for gardevoir and gardevoir can break past the super bulky teams greninja struggles to get through

i mean its your team, its up to you what mons you wanna use

[lyric basalt]

Sure I'll be back

[naive stump]

The issue with gardevoir

Is that there's no reason to not use

Zam or lele over gardevoir

[candid prairie]

its kinda weird lele but doesnt set up terrain to conflict with gren

[naive stump]

Yh

[candid prairie]

it can also wisp steels which is cool

and stronger fairy move

[naive stump]

I recommand prot gren in that case

[candid prairie]

much stronger

garde is arguably a much better stallbreaker

[naive stump]

Eh

[candid prairie]

and specs ash gren owns offense pretty hard

[naive stump]

CM lele kinda basically crush every shit a bit fat

But u still can run a mega

[candid prairie]

yea both mons own stall v hard

i think gardevoir does better tho

[naive stump]

Also, lele has a way easier time

To beat most steel

Since psyshock hits really hard tran

[candid prairie]

how

[naive stump]

So u dont have to slot focus blast

[candid prairie]

it doesn’t do anything to tran without specs

[naive stump]

Check calc

[candid prairie]

and then u just get pursuited

[naive stump]

+1 252+ SpA Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran in Psychic Terrain: 153-181 (39.6 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Lele is bulky

At +1 in spedef

[candid prairie]

yeah that’s specs

[naive stump]

Oh

Mb

+1 252+ SpA Mind Plate Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran in Psychic Terrain: 184-217 (47.6 - 56.2%) -- 28.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

CM runs mind/spoon

[candid prairie]

or z move ya

[naive stump]

In each case

The 1v1 is in favor of tran

Esp since tran rarely runs flash cannon

And magma storm can miss

[candid prairie]

well gardevoir can non mega and trace flash fire anyway

[naive stump]

Roar is cool but u will still suffer one hit

[candid prairie]

i think both mons wanna run focus blast anyway tbh

[naive stump]

If u wanna swing with that single interaction

Just use zam

[candid prairie]

or thunder ig for lele

[naive stump]

Nope

CM lele never runs focus

Unless it's z

And even in that case

U saw more z-psy

[candid prairie]

i mean z is common on cm

[naive stump]

Mixed

[candid prairie]

i like z thunder too

[naive stump]

Both mind or z

[candid prairie]

goodbye celesteela

[naive stump]

Eh

Feels kinda fishy

Esp when HP fire hits hard

[candid prairie]

not hard enough idk

[naive stump]

Well

[candid prairie]

and if ur gonna use z crystal ur not using hp fire

[naive stump]

Tbf, u could just slick psyshock and be fine with it

Hum

I rather run z-psy

On CM

So I will go like

Psyshock moon fire CM

[candid prairie]

yea thats not bad

[naive stump]

Idk

I feel like

U are underestimating

How strong is psychic terrain

And mgardevoir will never replicate the swing of a lele

Or the sheer viability of mzam

It's not a bad poke by itself but it's subopitimized no matter how u see it

[candid prairie]

yea its rlly just if u want strong fairy

that’s it

[naive stump]

Well

U need to force

Willo or hwish

[candid prairie]

bc it is significantly stronger than lele as a fairy

[naive stump]

If u really wanna have a real reason to use it yh

[candid prairie]

yea willo is cute

[naive stump]

I mean, I can get that

[candid prairie]

ive seen knock off too

[naive stump]

But it's not like having that better fairy

Means it can compensate over the other two funny psychic

[candid prairie]

mhm

i mean they just had a gardevoir on their team

is why i suggested it

[naive stump]

Ah

I didn't check the past

The format was broken

[candid prairie]

yea :/

[naive stump]

Something funny I saw with gardevoir on ladd

Was koko + hwish tbolt gardevoir HO

Tbf

I will say

That I'm wrong on one part

Since, because cress exist

[candid prairie]

oh i think i saw nature power gardevoir

[naive stump]

+1 252 SpA Pixilate Gardevoir-Mega Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Cresselia: 253-298 (56.9 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

This calc is funny

[candid prairie]

yeah it’s stupidly strong

[naive stump]

Yh

It can be cool to punish builds using cress sole psy check

Hum

I will try to build something with mgardevoir if I have time this afternoon

Could keep the gren + mgardevoir concept

[silent edge]

Thought I selected punch, my bad

[candid prairie]

my point is the builder would have corrected it if you ever tried to load it

[naive stump]

It get the move in gen 7?

Ah

Secret power

Mb

[candid prairie]

i don’t remember ngl

the one that changes in terrain

[naive stump]

Yh

No nature but it has secret

[lyric basalt]

How about this https://pokepast.es/bef2929977e0d278

Its gen 7 ou

[upper plume]

Baton Pass is banned in Gen 7

[naive stump]

Yh

Maybe you should take a look at sample teams before trying to build in the tier

[upper plume]

The sets seem

[naive stump]

(and test the team before as well)

[upper plume]

Incoherent

[naive stump]

Yh

Night slash spA gren

LO belly drum azumarill

Pjab gengar

[candid prairie]

can we make a rule that if you dont test the team out even once you cant post it

[naive stump]

It's already on the rule technically

Ah lol

It's on pinned messages

But from #archive-rate-my-team

[candid prairie]

yea none of these moves have purpose they were just randomly selected

[tepid linden]

https://pokepast.es/d739aa6e2c147305
How would y'all rate this

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive stump]

@lyric basalt https://pokepast.es/3bbac5829a74a29b here

A mgarde squad

[lyric basalt]

Question what does m grade mean

[upper plume]

Mega Gardevoir

[tepid linden]

Plz rate this:
https://pokepast.es/7bbb9231e52c27b4
Basic poison loop with blissey, gliscor and toxapex, and in case of steel/poison type I have salazzle. Chandelure as anti loop and diancie as a sweeper.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid linden]

Also using protect for toxapex instead of bunker so that I don't accidentally poison opponents.

Update: replaced blissey's thunderbolt with aromatherapy.

[west kiln]

rate my epic rain team
G7OU
https://pokepast.es/e4a8143799d71cab

(also would like tips yes thankyou)

[candid prairie]

beartic is not viable, use ash greninja or manaphy

[west kiln]

beartic is viable boooo

[candid prairie]

this channel isn’t to show off teams

don’t post here asking for advice if you don’t want it

you can use whatever you want

[west kiln]

I wanted advice on the movesets not the mons :>

[upper plume]

Here's a fun tip: Beartic isn't good

[vivid kraken]

theres no point for gastro/clef on rain

u have pert as your groujd type already so no need for another here and gastro kind of slows everything down bc of its nature

same with clef

actually if you could use a more offensive clef then im not sure

but magearna rain probably does what it can do and better

and beartic idk why its here

and if youre not willing to change any of the mons i cant say anything else

[west kiln]

i was told this was good

[vivid kraken]

and pert synergizes a lot better bc of its offensiveness

uhh

[vivid kraken]

some1 lied lol

u have normal rain core

peli swampert ferrothorn

but then you should try to build with those

[west kiln]

no they genuinely meant it

[vivid kraken]

try to add makes that would go well with them and help the overall structure of the team

ok but it is not good lol

[west kiln]

I suck at making teams imean

[vivid kraken]

this is sample rain

https://pokepast.es/db262e175284bf6a

[karmic geyser]

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[vivid kraken]

rain in its nature is kind of mu fishy

[west kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272140683620388894/1274361976528834674/boxpokemon.png?ex=66c1f993&is=66c0a813&hm=005256843c21e1b83cc28926e58759a69332d145ad8daa584f02a682233027de&

This is literally one of my most used mons

[vivid kraken]

but magearna rain i dont have the paste i would say i like it better overall

because of the added offensive pressure magearna brings

while also keeping the team together

[west kiln]

dont have the paste for the ttar tbh ill keep it in image form

[vivid kraken]

uhh

myuu?

[west kiln]

shhh

[upper plume]

Modest AV Tar?

[west kiln]

yes

[upper plume]

Don't you want to like

[vivid kraken]

why did u send me a picture of a random ttar

[upper plume]

Pursuit trap stuff

[west kiln]

that's the mon I'm known for most frequently using on my team

[west kiln]

Omniboost ancient power

[vivid kraken]

on rain?

etf

wtf

[west kiln]

nah just regular teams

[vivid kraken]

ok dude

[west kiln]

I ran a team with ttar and a scarfed sand rush excadrill it was hella funky

[vivid kraken]

i gave u sample rain here

[upper plume]

10% off 8 PP on a slow mon with no recovery

[west kiln]

It does actually work quite well

[upper plume]

And I can't hit a Focus Blast...

[west kiln]

I got 3 paralysis in a row in one of my last battles

[vivid kraken]

is it bc u abandoned rcop

[naive stump]

Yh

A New Day (Tyranitar) (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 56 Atk / 12 Def / 192 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Rock Slide
• Crunch
• Pursuit
• Ice Beam

[west kiln]

No fire move

[naive stump]

AV is pretty free with what u want on it

Yh

Why I would a fire move

[upper plume]

Who said I abandoned rcop

[west kiln]

because scizor

[vivid kraken]

dm

[naive stump]

I mean

Either way, ur AV ttar will not be able to break anything

The main purpose of the set

Is to fit a safeway into volcarona or lele/zam

Which require a rock move + suit and maybe secondary dark move

U can slot a fire move if u want

[west kiln]

I haven't run a volcarona in years

[naive stump]

Regardless

[naive stump]

This set is unoptimized

[toxic whale]

https://pokepast.es/66f1bd66de2d0b89

[naive stump]

Funny concept

Raichu-alola is not viable but I dont mind to keep it for the sake of the concept

[toxic whale]

It's funny against mega swampert in rain lmao

Grass knot ohko's

[naive stump]

Yh

I know what u mean

I was using this with raichu

https://pokepast.es/818dd9ec31146a58

It cover more MU and it keep the funny gimmick

Since ur HO suffer a bit of running bad zoroark

And, overall, I dont think raichu suit well HO

I dont dislike the pairing of maw + raichu

Makes sense

[naive stump]

U could keep this and put maw over weavile

And why not run a better item on koko

Specs maybe

Raichu will act as ur speed control

Then u could fit the z-move on lando to lure ground

Or keep the z on raichu ofc lol

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/dda9d73b3bfae63a

Another maw set that could work here

Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Play Rough
• Fire Fang
• Thunder Punch
• Ice Punch

Fire fang to lure ferro

Ice punch for ground

And t-punk + electric terrain for skarm/celes

Running grass knot on either koko or raichu sounds fine as well

[toxic whale]

That's actually pretty good

[tepid linden]

I beg for someone to give advice for this 😦

[candid prairie]

ngl man half your team is not viable and none of them have good sets. there's not really a good baseline to even start improving this team. I would recommend checking out the VR (viability rankings) and maybe some samples teams, which I can link if you'd like

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/b015744dd5426e34
Gen 7 ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive stump]

Looks fine

Prob could put a better pokemon over blacephalon

[peak canyon]

like

[naive stump]

Kartana

Koko

[peak canyon]

kart

set?

[naive stump]

Yh, u can go SD kart with a funny z-move

[peak canyon]

ok

[naive stump]

Z-giga impact to lure flyer for lop

Z-fight or z-grass works as well

Also, I would def go rocks on lando

And go spikes on ferro

Double spikes is prob fine

[peak canyon]

give up twave on ferro?

[naive stump]

Nah

Spikes over rocks

And put rocks on lando

[peak canyon]

instead of knock?

[naive stump]

Yh

Or rock tomb

[peak canyon]

alr

[naive stump]

Hwish looks funny here

If speed control is an issue

U can fit quick attack instead of hwish

[peak canyon]

anything else I could maybe change?

[naive stump]

Should be fine

Misty terrain + twave looks a bit weird maybe

[peak canyon]

oh

[naive stump]

Could run gyro ball instead since serp looks quite a pain

[peak canyon]

alr

thanks

[drowsy forum]

https://pokepast.es/38201b70227d99a1

Gen 7 OU Team

I think I've covered each of my mons weaknesses, it also works fine during testing

[naive stump]

Yh, it looks good

However, I think lando over chomp is a little better since u-turn is crucial for those kind of team

Also I dont like that azelf lead

Does not match the team for me (and the poke is not good as well)

If u want a psychic on that slot, I feel like a Tapu Lele would work much better

Also, would make this rotom defensive and put the z either on gren or lele

Or maybe lando with SD

[drowsy forum]

Thanks for the advice! I'll experiment with the team for a bit and see if it works more smoothly

[naive stump]

👍

[granite iron]

https://pokepast.es/c6b35addb95e942e any advice i could get here? also any advice on how i can deal with tornadus? (also switching stuff out as a suggestion is also ok ^^)

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[granite iron]

ah yes they pinged someone who's idle lmfao

[low jasper]

Dw someone will get to it eventually at the very least Marnie will see it eventually as well.

[granite iron]

yep yep thanks ^^

i did make a new team tho after someone saw it-

https://pokepast.es/7da38a257e9980d7

do i replace spikes with surf also btw?

or too many water moves?

i havent been able to use spikes at all much

and when i do use it it dosent feel like it does anything super meaningful

[vivid kraken]

sm ou https://pokepast.es/f622d61503ba8884

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vivid kraken]

was thinking rotom > bro

[naive stump]

Yh, completly

And the z could fit on rotom or lando

Also, would still run fleur cannon on mag

Otherwise, good team

If speed control might be an issue, could run bullet punch on medi

But should be fine with glare + ice shard vile + fake out medi

[vivid kraken]

ic

ok thx

[vivid kraken]

sm ou https://pokepast.es/1335b42578f705a5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[violet garnet]

https://pokepast.es/73f9455bceaf4267 gen 7 ou

trying to build around ashgren and sub magnezone

[naive stump]

The six looks alright

I think u should go double prio lop

Remove the scarf on lando and go rocks on it

Spikes ferro

For weavile, I think z-dig is better here

Also, u can go some funny vic instead of band

Something like ebelt with pup bolt strike lol

Or AV for more bulk

[naive stump]

Ngl, It does not feel the team is around gren + zone gren

And, in general

Those two poorly match together

Since zone only trap ferro for ashgren

And ashgren pressure ground ig

[violet garnet]

yeah really new to the tier so

trying here

[naive stump]

Yh

The easiest way here

Is to remove magnezone

For medicham-mega for example

Makes more sense with the volt turn core

And medi + gren is never bad

[vivid kraken]

ic

maybe i use dianice then?

with av victini

[naive stump]

Nah

I think lop is cool here

Since vic pressure pex and ground for lop

And u can use weavile to lure pex

And use pursuit to remove tias for vic

The 6 is fine like that

[vivid kraken]

ic

so voctini 252 spe and then some bulj?

[violet garnet]

https://pokepast.es/cdc8a81a81c8d268 kinda jus threw this together too would like sum thoughts

[vivid kraken]

and i keep same vile set but z dig

dig > sd

[violet garnet]

considering shuca koko and z kyu

[naive stump]

U can keep band

And just go z-dig > SD

And rocks lando

And double prio lop

[naive stump]

At this point, I would recommand to use the sample team with that core lol

[vivid kraken]

ok

thank you

and hp fire on both is cool?

[naive stump]

hum

should go another move on ferro or lando yh

[vivid kraken]

so just 1?

[naive stump]

yh

[vivid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/eb5c2ace531a0c80 sm ou

[gusty jungle]

https://pokepast.es/b32ce7e74a305542 Gen 2, is this too weak into Gar?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 2] OU RMT @half jungle, @silver reef, @fresh thistle, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gusty jungle]

Wait hold on pretend Gengar has Ice Punch

instead of Fire

[silver reef]

Its weak to setup lax if anything

Esp cause u dont have anything to phaze it out

P easy fix tho, just do ttar over heracross

Id alos make the forre boom > hp fire and make the nidoking lead

2 atks nido is best used on lead

[gusty jungle]

ic

[thick dagger]

How do i make that pokepaste link?

[upper plume]

!pokepaste

[karmic geyser]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1158775180735291453/pokepaste1.png?ex=651d78fc&is=651c277c&hm=5d0b952a78e50b944a63f5e16a9006dffbf6f8fe900cede444f1c65b965a064a&

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
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[gusty jungle]

Should I change Gar back to Fire Punch or should it stay Ice Punch?

[silver reef]

ice punch 100%

thats ur main way through zapdos

[gusty jungle]

alr

tysm

[thick dagger]

https://pokepast.es/80d09d33c74bc659

Can someone rate my gen9 ou team

The idea is to have roaring moon as a breaker and enamorous as a spa sweeper

And slow-galar to help me vs stall

(Ive only been playing for a month but im 1300 elo)

Any tips would help

Oh shit wrong channel

[upper plume]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059653209678950460

Yeah wrong channel

[chilly sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/8d492276dfa4d7a6
would this be a good mixed team

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chilly sparrow]

most of my teams are hyper offensive so im not sure how to do mixed

[gusty jungle]

the Volcanion matchup looks very dire

though I'm not a rater

Since finch isn't able to rate a lot of the time I suggest trying the ORAS Discord

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[gusty jungle]

@chilly sparrow

[granite iron]

https://pokepast.es/93f082a77e9ef2eb how is this HO team?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[granite iron]

this is a HO team right?

[chilly sparrow]

ok thxs

[upper plume]

I'm not an SM player but this just looks like offense

[naive stump]

ah

yh, this is weird

but like

usually, volt turn based offense that gave up defog to focus more on offense

are called HO

since they just run Mag or Lando to add a bit of stability and slow turn with some breaker

volt turn regular offense core are:
-Magearna/Rotom/Landorus
-Ferrothorn/Rotom/Landorus
-Ferrothorn/ Landorus Scarf

but, in the case of volt turn HO

u only run Magearna/Landorus

or even just sole Landorus

in fact, it's not unusual to saw those squad to run a sweeper Magearna set instead of AV volt switch

and only keep lando as the sole defensive set

[granite iron]

https://pokepast.es/4b0dca74abd4033f can help give advice on how to play this well?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[granite iron]

anyone?

uhh @upper plume if its alright- sorry if it isnt lmao

ive never played with focus excal before so im having a hard time knowing when to pop it off

also just like... a ton of set up mons 💀

[rugged fossil]

Jus lead of w exca

Get ur rocks up

And spin

[granite iron]

thats it? like litterally nothing else its basically a suicide lead?

[rugged fossil]

Yes

If it wasnt suicude lead

Exca wouldve been lefties

Not sash

[granite iron]

gocha

[hallow lodge]

@naive stump congrats on role. (though i have no idea what it is) looks cool

[naive stump]

It's because I was drafted for that discord pl lol

[hallow lodge]

OHHH

💀

[naive stump]

Technically, I could claim badgeholder role as well

[hallow lodge]

i thought it was for competitive helper lol

oh

yeah i saw

[rugged fossil]

Why dont u

[naive stump]

I like the white color lol

[mighty glacier]

https://pokepast.es/0c25ad5f1b3d392d

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty glacier]

help

@naive stump @rugged fossil

[rugged fossil]

Hello

[mighty glacier]

hi

[rugged fossil]

Hoopa unbound on this kind of structure

[mighty glacier]

on a

[rugged fossil]

Is a no no

Team lacks speed control

[mighty glacier]

i jus wanted these 4

then chansey is just there cus of char Y

[rugged fossil]

Hold up

I’ll send u a paste

In dms

[mighty glacier]

kk

[naive stump]

Not at all

Why it would be bad

[rugged fossil]

R u sure

[rugged fossil]

Team is too slow

[naive stump]

Yh

[rugged fossil]

And hoopa isn’t getting any

Pivot

[naive stump]

Just need speed control

[rugged fossil]

To pressure opposing

[naive stump]

Otherwise

It's fine

[rugged fossil]

Teams

Nvm

[naive stump]

U have

3 volt turn

[rugged fossil]

I just saw

I was looking at another hoopa team

I got sent

[naive stump]

Ah

[rugged fossil]

Alr so

Prolly just make lando scarf

And ask diyusi to fix it later

[mighty glacier]

thats what i was thinkin

[rugged fossil]

Ye

[naive stump]

This is old so need to rework some set

But it looks alright

[mighty glacier]

that works for me

[rugged fossil]

Ah yes

[mighty glacier]

not elec Z hoopa

[rugged fossil]

The fini lando tran

[mighty glacier]

thoo

[naive stump]

It was band on ur past

[mighty glacier]

mbb

i mean

koko

[naive stump]

It's not a bad set tho

Hum

It's a bit dangerous

But u can make the tran z-move

With specs koko

[mighty glacier]

what Z tran

gras or fire?

[naive stump]

Grass

Luring fini/gastro seems cool here

[mighty glacier]

bett

could you send paste?

[naive stump]

Too lazy lol

[mighty glacier]

bet

[quartz remnant]

do all previous gen teams get sent here

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/6aea793372007c68
been a long time since i played ssou sorry if its bad

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt, @low jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low jasper]

Yes olds gens to get sent here anyways. I do see some issues here.

1. Since I see ninetales and a few set up mons I would assume you are trying to make a hyper offense build.

2. Keys when building hyper offense

• Dont run choiced mons on hyper offense. This can sap your momentum and leave you in an awkward spot.

• HO does not need hazard removal.

•think about the mons that fit and make sure you have outs vs other playstyles.

3. Zera is not really a favorable pick on these teams either. Some good hyper offense Pokémon includes Garchomp, kart, galarian moltres, volcarona, offensive heatran, scizor, dragon dance pult etc.

I would go back to the drawing board personally on this team. I hope this is helpful to you.

[low jasper]

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[quartz remnant]

ok ty

[quartz remnant]

kinda wanted to make a zera team, wat archetype do you suggest

[low jasper]

Zera overall is kinda meh you could put it on screens and you could run it on BO but it’s usually falls short at its job and other mons are favorable. As for the best structure it fit on is bulky offense as the late game sweeper. After lando has been chipped down significantly. Its speed tier is handy since it out speeds pult so that’s cool I suppose.

[quartz remnant]

oh ok, any cool fun mons i could build around in smou/ssou

[low jasper]

#comp-general I can tell you there

[quartz remnant]

@low jasper so i tried to build around nidoking lmk how it is https://pokepast.es/5c4c84382837c087

[low jasper]

Ight give me a bit I’ll try to take a Quick Look

[quartz remnant]

bet

[low jasper]

Honestly not bad at all but there is some changes I would suggest

1. Go corv > ttar nidoking likes as many slow pivotes as possible to get in as it’s relatively frail. And corv provides more consistent hazard removal.

Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 124 SpD
Impish Nature

• Body Press
• U-turn
• Roost
• Defog

2. Run this lando set

Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 SpD / 16 Spe
Careful Nature

• Earthquake
• Toxic
• U-turn
• Stealth Rock

Landos this gen are more specially defensive.

3. I think you could honestly just make urshifu band here. All the stuff that it’s annoyed by with chip (ferro, helmet clef, and zap) are all pressured by nidoking.

4. I would probably recommend a timid nature on nido to outspeed defensive zapdos but it’s up to you.

[quartz remnant]

iirc i took ttar for the ice resist

also

[low jasper]

Oh sadly it doesn’t resist ice haha

[quartz remnant]

triple choice?

[low jasper]

But corv does well enough

Oh ye I forgot you could keep pads I suppose ye

[quartz remnant]

okay

thanks for your help G

[low jasper]

Np bro

[quartz remnant]

hi

[rugged fossil]

I’m pretty sure I bought

[quartz remnant]

uhh

[rugged fossil]

3 choices mons last week

Hpl

[quartz remnant]

should i do it then

or pass

[rugged fossil]

Ye lol

It’s viable

Works v well

Especially on some cheesy offenses

In ss

[quartz remnant]

okay thank you

also i have an SMOU team

do i send it here only?

[quartz remnant]

oh hey i know you

https://pokepast.es/38d78d73a16d5a42
sm ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rugged fossil]

Starting off

There’s no ground type

Psy ho with a random ass amoongus

[quartz remnant]

eh i saw in the team analysis thingy that amoonguss is good with torn-t

[rugged fossil]

And no abuser of psy terrain outside of sharpedo

[naive stump]

Nah

[quartz remnant]

• it has like a good move in spore

[naive stump]

It's fine for that

I think u better use somethig like

Lando + ferro

[rugged fossil]

I faced u on ss ladder these days I think

[rugged fossil]

Ye

Or lando mag

Mag should be fine for this squad

He could make torn taunt knock off

[naive stump]

Ferro because spikes are really a necessity with msharp

[quartz remnant]

nah in the pbf server lmao

[naive stump]

And the torn is sus as well

[rugged fossil]

Ah lmao

[quartz remnant]

not a huge fan of torn-amoonguss tbh

[rugged fossil]

Torn amoongus is like

Stall stuff I suppose

[quartz remnant]

yeah

apparently negates kartana

should i go ferro lando instead

[rugged fossil]

Yes

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/2c939c0356e23705 ?

[naive stump]

It's weird

I think the best with sharp is to really go hard with offense

Sharp lele lando ferro seems fine

But could remove volc and mag AV

For garchomp + ash gren I think

And u make lando scarf

For the sets:
-sharp 4A (no need for destiny bound)
-lele specs (HP fire > focus blast with modest nature)
-Garchomp SD Sub with dragonium z
-specs gren with spikes
-ferro rocks
-lando scarf defog

[rugged fossil]

Ok so

Ok diyusi already

Fixed

[naive stump]

Ash gren + lele is unfort but idk what u could put in that slot

Maybe keldeo

[rugged fossil]

I think the correct path would be

Pedo + lele+ mag + chomp + torn + ash

[quartz remnant]

ima try em out

tysm

[quartz remnant]

whhich mag do you mean here

magnezone or magearna

[low jasper]

The broken one

[quartz remnant]

so magearna?

[low jasper]

Ye

[quartz remnant]

https://pokepast.es/cd0ee5a99a9a2fe7
https://pokepast.es/bef496cd358141e0
one of these then?

[naive stump]

Nah

Torn really sucks in offense

[rugged fossil]

Maybe just scarf lando emergency defog