Old Gens OU

[tropic schooner]

Cant break ferro in rain + gren and mana just deal too much

[naive stump]

I dont disagree with the idea

Like water absorb shit + aggron seems like a fine idea

[tropic schooner]

Its mostly the chomp kart slots that can change

Prob

I had a z spdef bulu version

[flint ridge]

don’t this need better speed control

[tropic schooner]

This is fat it dont need speed control

[flint ridge]

fair

[tropic schooner]

Kart and max speed chomp is more than enough

Nowhere to slot clef, lose to koko otherwise

Im just gonna run z torn instead of z kart ig

That sorta works ish

[flint ridge]

aggron is a dark resist anyways

I’d go like gastro torn

[tropic schooner]

Gastro fails in being good into rain because everyone and their mothers run eball mana

[naive stump]

Ok guys

I'm trying to understand

Why do we run chansey here lol

[tropic schooner]

Because aggron gets 2 shot by specs lele psychic

Hope this helps

[naive stump]

We have

Cress

[flint ridge]

Last mon should be smth that does good into rain

[tropic schooner]

Mantine does good enough

[tropic schooner]

Guess

I could run unaclef instead of chans?? Idk

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/3389b015afa6d3ce

[tropic schooner]

Sure

Z torn

Works i suppose

[naive stump]

Yh

LO clef

Mantine doing mantine things ig lol

[tropic schooner]

Thunder clef here right

[naive stump]

Oh yh

We are suppose to run a cleric here lmao

[tropic schooner]

Right

[naive stump]

No LO clef, sadge

[tropic schooner]

Moonblast thunder heal bell soft boiled clef

Gg?

You only need to bait and damage skarm rly

Curse maggron can take on steela

[naive stump]

Yh, maybe

Well

I kinda like also fire because it means maw has less opening to do unfunny shit

Like, overall, our gameplan is praying that either maggron or cress win lol

And we are lacking spikes or even t-spikes, so the "wait and see" usual winning road is not gonna work too well here

Which means we need a certain to open the way for either torn, cress or maggron

I kinda think twave clef and overall haxxing with ice beam might be an actual good gameplan

We kinda lacking way to pressure scizor unfort but it could work if u keep rocks and simply rotate between cress and maggron

The only issue will comes if they have a slow winco such as Glis that might slowly pp stall cress

U could try some wish support clef but, since u have zero statue immunity means that u basically have to run a cleric somewhere

Well

Honestly, I would maybe go glis over hippo

[tropic schooner]

Glis sounds fine

[naive stump]

Some sort of whatever physdef with taunt + rocks improve a lot ur MU into whatever passive shit

Like fat spikes skarm and ferro

[tropic schooner]

Sure

[naive stump]

Then u go for wish clef

Instead of rest maggron + heal bell ig

I could see unaware working here on that note

[untold oak]

https://pokepast.es/4491e4fa28c09751 I made another gen 5 ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @agile saffron, @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo, @worldly walrus, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[untold oak]

i'm thinking no starmie since kyub resists mamo

[gritty scaffold]

what

[astral thistle]

I think you need to switch out some of those scarves

[untold oak]

d meteor rachi to pose an actual threat to the dragons it walls

[untold oak]

yes

i put too many

[astral thistle]

You’re gonna struggle to do damage to bulky stuff

[astral thistle]

That’s kinda unnecessary. Hitting them with whatever else attacks you have should suffice

Drop meteor for stealth rock on jirachi

[untold oak]

like what?

[astral thistle]

That’ll go a long way

[untold oak]

what is rachi going to hit dnite with?

[upper plume]

Icy Wind

[astral thistle]

No dragon wants to take any combination of icy wind or serene grace thunder so you should be good

[untold oak]

oh yes

true

[astral thistle]

You can slow and hit them with your own dragons or whatever

[upper plume]

Icy Wind misses less too

[untold oak]

true

but meteor outright ohkos

[astral thistle]

A weatherless thunder from jirachi paralyzes 42% of the time which is not something any dragon wants to risk except for chomp

[untold oak]

not 60?

[astral thistle]

You’re going to get a lot more mileage out of SR

[astral thistle]

42% factoring in accuracy

But 60 when it hits yes

[untold oak]

alr, even though i have not seen rocks help much when i used it

[upper plume]

It helps with everything

Breaking Skarmory's Sturdy

[astral thistle]

Every competitive team DPP and later requires rocks

Full stop

[upper plume]

And Dragonite's Multiscale

[untold oak]

well magnezone doesn't really mind skarm sturdy

[upper plume]

Passively pushing opposing threats into KO range

[untold oak]

oh true that

[astral thistle]

It’s not just for that though. A lot of 3HKOs and 2HKOs can be turned into 2HKOs and OHKOs with rocks up

I assume you’re fairly new to competitive, correct?

[untold oak]

i've been playing for years, i'm just bad at teambuilding

[astral thistle]

Ah all good

But yeah it may not seem evident at first

[untold oak]

and for the last major change i made

chainchomp

[astral thistle]

But entry hazards REALLY go a long way

Especially in gen 5

[upper plume]

Scarf chainchomp is something

[untold oak]

i replaced meteor with rocks on rachi

[turbid hill]

does anyone have a proper gen 6ou keldeo team?

[karmic geyser]

OU (Gen 6)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
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Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[turbid hill]

ok ty

[untold oak]

yeah i thought dropping the swords dance for outrage and then giving scarf would be nice

now chomp cannot be trapped by a steel type after ohkoing a dragon

[upper plume]

The whole point of Chain Chomp is luring in Skarmory and Fire Blasting it

[astral thistle]

Chainchomp probably isn’t necessary when you have magnezone

[upper plume]

But you have Magnezone

Yeah

[astral thistle]

I’d either go SD or band or something

[turbid hill]

no keldeo teams T-T

[untold oak]

but magnezone cannot deal with the common heatran

[upper plume]

Scarf Chomp on DragMag is fine but go all physical

[astral thistle]

SD yache chomp I think would be a really good fit

Bc thundy looks really threatening

[upper plume]

1. Heatran has fallen in popularity in recent years
2. Garchomp is fine at dealing with Heatran
3. You have other Dragons that scare Heatran

Also

As I said

[untold oak]

a lot of people pair heatran with jellicent

and then that becomes annoying

[upper plume]

Starmie is basically mandatory on DragMag teams in the year 2024

[astral thistle]

I’m just gonna quote this bc I don’t wanna scroll up every time

[upper plume]

You also don't need 3 Scarfers in general

[untold oak]

true

[upper plume]

2 Scarfers is already excessive

[untold oak]

i'd like to keep two

maybe i'll keep lats and chomp

and then band the kyub

my main issue with having only outrage as a strong move on chomp is that i have to use it to kill a dragon type, and then if i'm scarfed a steel type can come out and kill me, and if i'm banded literally any dragon can come out and kill me

and i can't do anything about it except die because outrage prevents switching

so any steel type can just set up on me

and chain chomp stops that

because i kill with meteor

[upper plume]

You can just use DClaw > Outrage if that's a concern

[untold oak]

but then i lose outrage sweeps

and i also dont think i can ohko some dragons with dclaw

for example, other chomps

i did all the calcs

and literally the only thing i get a guaranteed ohko on is latios

[upper plume]

You have 0 Attack invest in this calc

[untold oak]

Oh shit lol

[upper plume]

You can also run two Dragon moves on Chomp

[untold oak]

what if there's a physical wall

garchomp can't break it

[upper plume]

Depends on the physical wall

If its name is Skarmory then it'll get trapped

Tangrowth and Slowbro can be muscled through with CB Kyurem-B

Same with Gastrodon

Plus Garchomp dents them pretty good

[untold oak]

oh wow i just ran the calcs and draco meteor isn't even that much better in those situations

meteor and outrage do same amount

approximately

but still not getting trapped into outrage is a nice benefit

[upper plume]

Yeah the whole point of Draco Meteor is to break down these physical walls for another Pokemon

But these physical walls have Regenerator and/or reliable recovery

[untold oak]

I tried out chain chomp

He can't even ohko hydreigon with meteor

Granted that is with 0 spatk evs

But idk if I want to lose atk for some spatk

[inner mist]

Kyub does not resist Mamo.

Not dying to it’s moves does not mean it’s good against it

[untold oak]

Oh yeah not resist sorry lol

[analog remnant]

What pokemon go good with omystar in Gen 1 OU

[upper plume]

probably 5 other ou mons

what does omastar even do in rby ou

[gritty scaffold]

nothing

[untold oak]

Omg

Why is magnezone so bad

Scizor beats it

Excadrill beats it

Heatran beats it

[undone totem]

https://pokepast.es/76f79e41a74a424b SMOU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[undone totem]

Also @naive stump

How are u not sm rater yet

[naive stump]

I'm bad in sm

I do admit I'm not into this team

Mainly due to how old it feels

Celesteela is kinda weird outside of sand since it lose to some top tier shit such as SD glis

And u can't use it to check kartana obviously

Another thing I dislike is that lopunny-mega + KB core

I really dont like lopunny nowadays, it's not bad but I think u need some specific set to not be dead into fat

Such as encore pup

And, also, u prob need a bit more of offensive support

Since all ur build is expecting that single z-ice + fini to break something like chansey + bro

But even then, other balance MU such as scizor one is really complex if they pressure you with something like t-spikes toxapex

This is like the kind of shit that works more around KB + lop ig lol

Both team are using wacky sets

But this is pretty much the modern way to use lopunny offense in sm

(unless u run whatever rotom mag lando volt turn with koko kart)

Lop on fatter builds works as well but it's more about spikes and shit

So no funny KB

[undone totem]

Hmm ok

[tropic schooner]

You can also use koko builds and sub out medi for lop to have speed control

That works well for me

[little surge]

https://pokepast.es/12dc92a74446ce35

Gen 4 OU
Supposed to be Bulky Offense

[sour warren]

https://pokepast.es/6044030f58e6ac19
this is a good HO team right?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt vigil]

Scarftar is not seen on offensive teams as it does not handle dragon dance users. The team does not commit to a specific theme right now, what did you have in mind

[little surge]

I am thinking of bulky offence involving Machamp

[cobalt vigil]

In that case you can consider teammates such as Jirachi, Thunder Wave Dragon Dance Gyarados, CB Tyranitar, CB Dragonite, Donphan, and Starmie.
Azelf is a decent lead choice, you can also choose Uxie if you opt for starmie + no Gyarados

[little surge]

What are the best teammates out of the bunch tho?

[cobalt vigil]

Jirachi is near mandatory, outside of that it's fairly flexible. Uxie - Jirachi - Donphan - Jirachi - Machamp - Scarf Latias is an example of paraspam that you could try

[little surge]

Two Jirachis? That’s a new strat?

[cobalt vigil]

Try cb tar over one rachi

[upper plume]

two jirachis is insane

imagine your lefties tran withstands one jirachi assault

and then the second one comes in and haxes it to death

[little surge]

which set for Uxie I should use?

[cobalt vigil]

Standard OU lead set

[little surge]

like what?

[earnest reef]

Uxie @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
Bold Nature

• Thunder Wave
• Stealth Rock
• Psychic
• U-turn

you can find standard sets on https://www.smogon.com/dex/

[little surge]

gotcha

[full furnace]

https://pokepast.es/04a175f5891d8f49 Gen 8, BDSP OU built around Zam

[upper plume]

so uh

Feraligatr uh

not great here

you also don't really have anything for Starmie

because Rotom-W takes Hydro Pump and can't heal it off

so what I would do is

make Rotom-W specially defensive

Make Scizor max physdef

LO Max Attack on Garchomp so you can smack Clefable

and then replace Gatr with a different Scarfer

There also have been talks of using Alakazam without Focus Blast

and then you have either double Psychic moves or Recover over it

[full furnace]

https://pokepast.es/e533736adb5da70a I think I like the sound of dual Psychic
can I fit Scarf Latias onto here?

[upper plume]

Not completely unreasonable

You should have Life Orb on Chomp

Because you want to deal damage with it

You can also run 8 Speed on Rotom-W to outspeed Adamant Crawdaunt

[full furnace]

making those changes!

[halcyon bay]

https://pokepast.es/976394786fd39308
A team I made for gen 7 OU. How bad is it ? I wanna know whether or not is it a viable one ;-;

[naive stump]

Unfort, it's not viable

That team simply lost to rocks alone

And, while there's a few decent poke (weavile and altaria-mega), the rest of the team is way too weak to compete with any regular sample team

(not to say every set feels very subpar)

[halcyon bay]

Well, thanks for bringing me back to reality. What pokemon could I use along with weavile and altaria in that case ? Speaking of sets, is there anything to change with altaria's and weavile's ? I am not a good teambuilder, and having a good coverage can be needlessly hard.

[naive stump]

I dont think I ever saw a team that mix both weavile and altaria

I like altaria in sm ou, but I only saw one good and fonctionnal team with it

And it was using altaria with heal bell support in some sort of semi stall

Overall, that pokemon is extremely niche

Weavile is already way more convential and, therefore, fit much more playstyle

In term of set, choice band is the best set u can use with weavile

(maybe Sword Dance with z-move, but sounds niche and not consistant)

Again, weavile as a start for a team is kinda weird since weavile is usually more a support for something else rather than the main win condition

(unless it's beat up weavile ig)

[vivid kraken]

gen 7 ou

https://pokepast.es/b0c4740e9b75f841

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive stump]

There's some good idea here

But I think there's quite a contradiction with the core

Of fini + lando with mag + slowbro

One sounds like BO while the other is balance

Regardless of that, double water defensive core is def fine in sm

But usually u run a hard abuser for koko and electric in general

(either an excadrill or the second water be gastro/toad)

Anw, as I said, I see two directions

Fini zardx lando BO

Or mag bro zardx balance

[vivid kraken]

oh ok

[naive stump]

Also, I'm not into serp scarf but this is a def an opinion of mine lol

[vivid kraken]

so like for balance u can use drill + kommo idk

magbro drill kommo xard

[naive stump]

U can keep lando I think

Something like

Slowbro toxapex zardx lando exca magearna

[vivid kraken]

oh alr

[halcyon bay]

Thanks for your advices, I guess I am gonna take a look at sample teams to get some inspiration and make a viable team this time

[vivid kraken]

scarf drill?

[naive stump]

Lefto bulky

[vivid kraken]

oh alr

rocks + spin

[naive stump]

Lando is prob a better scarfer in that case

Yh, sounds fine

[naive stump]

👍

[vivid kraken]

and the bo would have something not too slowpaced

[naive stump]

Yh

[vivid kraken]

ic

[naive stump]

Tapu fini is really a poke that fit shit that dont waste time

Since fini ressources are very limited

[vivid kraken]

tornt is kinda garbage on not fat

[naive stump]

And fini best quality is how it can be quite troublesome to face

Yh

Well, using the bulky pivot set on offense

Is def bad

[vivid kraken]

ic ok

ill see wut i can do

i still
keep a good defensive core tho right

just not like slowbro

[naive stump]

What do you mean?

[vivid kraken]

something that goes well with fini xard lando

[naive stump]

Ah

Yh, something that fit the overall pace

[vivid kraken]

ic

ok

thxn

[naive stump]

Zardx is pretty flexible anw

There's no "bad" directions with it

But being coherent is def mandatory if u want something fonctionnal at the end

[naive stump]

Np

[little surge]

Gen 4 Bulky Offense
https://pokepast.es/3e7395969f814bb3

[hallow lodge]

https://pokepast.es/3a7af77eefba031a usum ou
a friend made this team, is there any changes that can be made? i feel like it's a bit too passive

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive stump]

Lmao

This is a squad made by skypenguin

[hallow lodge]

oh ok

[naive stump]

But with some weird spread tho

[hallow lodge]

found it in his builder

[hallow lodge]

so, what do you think?

[naive stump]

The bro should be max HP max Def

[hallow lodge]

i don't really doubt skypenguins creation it's been working but i still wanted to know yalls view

[hallow lodge]

oki

[naive stump]

U can prob change the sets if u want

I'm not into that double toxic for example

Feels like twave bro could be better

[hallow lodge]

oh gotcha

anything else?

[naive stump]

Maybe makes this zardx bulky

Jerusalem (Charizard-Mega-X) (M) @ Charizardite X
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 68 Def / 88 SpD / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Flare Blitz
• Dragon Claw
• Roost

[hallow lodge]

could you explain the evs

[naive stump]

"Alternatively, a spread of 248 HP / 8 Atk / 68 Def / 12 SpD / 172 Spe with an Adamant nature can be used to improve Charizard's bulk: the Defense investment allows it to survive High Jump Kick from Mega Medicham and Earthquake from Choice Scarf Landorus-T; the Special Defense investment allows it to survive Supersonic Skystrike from offensive Tornadus-T; and the Speed investment allows it to outspeed Timid Heatran. "

Not the same speed and spedef

But it's only a matter of obvious speed tier

And spedef leftovers

[hallow lodge]

oh

@naive stump thank you, can i let you know if im facing any trouble with this?

[naive stump]

Sure

[vivid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/f01e501d3247c786 sm ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive stump]

Very solid six, I like it

In fact, I have the same six in my builder

But with different sets lol

The issue with that six is how u kinda weak to some dumb shit

Like rain and all

[vivid kraken]

ic

i could maybe try like reflect on latias for stuff like rain

i think i saw it on a diff team

[naive stump]

Yep

[vivid kraken]

reflect > draco?

[naive stump]

I got another version with reflect type sball tias kek

But reflect tias is cool

[vivid kraken]

double z ic

ive never tried double z before it probably only works on a few teams like this

[naive stump]

It's fine here

Since RH on torn in that kind of squad

Is not that relevant

And it helps for the like of band kart

Not to say u dont have to rely on hurri miss if needed

[vivid kraken]

so if i were to go up against like a rain matchup i would use reflect and if i was playing something like psyspam i would use light screen

[naive stump]

I think light screen is always the best option

since it also helps for kart and medi

[vivid kraken]

wait i thought light screen was for special attacks

and reflect for physical

[naive stump]

ah

mb

I mean

reflect kek

[vivid kraken]

ah alr

the ss you sent had light screen

[naive stump]

aaaah

ok, I'm not sure what was the correct move here lmao

but well

like you said

both screen works here

[olive stag]

https://pokepast.es/dac6474003acd2eb my take on triple steel. zapdos is kind of hard to deal with. im unsure about mels and kartanas sets also not sure if lando or heatran would be better over spdef chomp

[karmic geyser]

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[tropic schooner]

Av melm is sadly very niche and idt it fits, and this is very weak to stall as the steel birds in those teams pack shed shell and you have no knock offs.

[olive stag]

hmm i can see that. torn and kart both have knock but i doubt theyll probably just switch out their corv. any suggestions?

[vivid kraken]

ok i got it

thx for help

[naive stump]

Np

[tropic schooner]

A fun one is running trick plot gking, generally helps out against stall, which you struggle against even with the item of skarm gone since they can run tangrowth and buzzwole

[little surge]

still need rating here, if you don't mind

[olive stag]

That does sound like a fun set. You link it if possible?

[cobalt vigil]

Put cb tar instead of Scarftar, Thunder wave over Thunderbolt on Latias and Healing Wish over surf

[little surge]

I don’t think I want Latias only attacking move be Draco Meteor, especially Thunderbolt since it’s coverage for Gyarados

[cobalt vigil]

Both Thunder wave and Trick disable Gyarados
Latias is not a sweeper but a support for the team

[little surge]

how does the team look now?
https://pokepast.es/4d38a83b29b75694

[cobalt vigil]

It's fine

[little surge]

is there anything else I can change?

[cobalt vigil]

It's fine

[sour warren]

https://pokepast.es/7c692b75ba58bd71
is this team good?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @agile saffron, @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo, @worldly walrus, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

i would recommend psychic over giga drain in volc. but giga can also work fine.

and dont use espeon

u also could use eq dnite here i think

since u have volcarona

and run low sweep over 1 of the bullet seeds lol. and put ada nature on dnite , breloom

and run timid volc

and run jolly on chomp

you should prob run scizor over that espeon

[sour warren]

eq dragonite?

[sour warren]

its for better water coverage and healing

[gritty scaffold]

yea over fire punch

[gritty scaffold]

i mean yea but you need to hit tenta

and thund

[sour warren]

oh

I use fire punch to deal with skarm

[gritty scaffold]

why not sent volc

[sour warren]

because bug typing

[gritty scaffold]

i mean yea but you can tell when is setting hazards or not

[sour warren]

I also have thunderbolt rapid spin star anyway

[gritty scaffold]

so why ur worried about fire punch on first place

[sour warren]

for ferrothorn since starmie might switch into a knock off

[gritty scaffold]

just sent volcarona on ferrothorn?

thats literraly how you set up with it

idk what else you have been using as volc fodder

[sour warren]

good point

ill run thunder punch for nite

[gritty scaffold]

why

just run eq

you really dont need elemental punches here and thunder punch is terrible

[sour warren]

what should I use than

[worldly walrus]

EQ

like they said

[sour warren]

https://pokepast.es/c5e6c2c4c8de789b

k

[worldly walrus]

run superpower over x-scisosr

imo

act eh

on ur team

Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Bullet Punch
• Pursuit
• Superpower
• Swords Dance

u should run s,rtihng like this

pursuit lets you punish latios

and zam and stuff

[wooden relic]

Opinions on this gen 7 hyper offense team ?
https://pokepast.es/9b1c0ca29eb1596d

[gritty scaffold]

yea that set

[gusty jungle]

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[karmic geyser]

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[gritty scaffold]

.

[gusty jungle]

leo i already did it

[gritty scaffold]

sry dindt saw

[sour warren]

https://pokepast.es/c5e6c2c4c8de789b
hows this?

[worldly walrus]

make this

ur scizor set

@sour warren

[sour warren]

https://pokepast.es/2aa0d2725f7c5f4c
is this better

[gritty scaffold]

Yea it is

[vivid kraken]

sm ou https://pokepast.es/ad59e8c3a158452b

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent edge]

https://pokepast.es/b54c5c489b366b6a this is my first gen 3 team. Tried to use what I learned in my first few battles. I learned that gengar is very dangerous without a pursuit trapper, something to take on dugtrio is basically required so I use defensive swampert, with my two flying types spikes shouldnt be an issue, magneton helps get rid of skarmory, metagross helps against suicune by exploding the moment it gets a boost and going, I tried to make balance/bulky offense though I'm still new to gen 3.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silent edge]

The main mon that scares this team is probably offensive starmie

And the stall mu might be difficult

[olive stag]

Gen 8 ou
https://pokepast.es/ea04e632170fc1ae

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[polar nacelle]

it looks like you dont have a special pivot

which makes you basically lose to not just starmie

but also zapdos suicune etc

its also not clear from your sets and overall team structure what pace of team you want on this

ordinarily your team structure looks physical offense based

but youre using defensive sets for everything

this makes you basically lose to anything that has spikes and can hold you off for long enough

if you want to make it more offensive, refer to the sample team on physical offense with meta/mag/ttar/celebi/mence/gyara

if you want to make it more defensive, well, its not entirely clear how to do so without major changes. you might want to refer to UD's steelix team for reference which im sure you can find on the forums somewhere

it looks like cbmence/restgyara/pursuittar/mag/curseboomlax/steelix

[wheat nacelle]

gen7ou
https://pokepast.es/1a677e7198ed6284
any suggestions?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal smelt]

I actually like this a fair bit but I'd change EVs around mainly and change the set on Melmetal and Weavile.

As is your issue with this ghost spam is managing Toxapex:
Toxapex will actively ruin almost all of the effort involved as youre only really able to punish it with trick
And seeing as a decent lot of Pexes are paired with a spdef ground type with recovery (Hippowdon and Gastro as examples) you end up with this ugly dynamic where you cant effectively punish its item removal or it clicking scald.

If you want the 6 to be consistent I'd try it out with a spdef protect melmetal that slots a moveset with Thunder Wave: this means you can somewhat circumvent the issues involved with Pex and potentially cripple a would be check like Melmetal, Pex, Slowbro etc so your ghosts can keep coming in and spamming their stabs.

I would say I also dislike this teams match up into twave blissey but its hard to salvage that: You're going to be forces to outplay it.

Finally Band Weavile feels misplaced, I'd make it Swords Dance standard to levy up the wallbreaking and make it more consistent.

The EVs on corv are 94 in spdef
The melmetal EVs and moveset should be on samples as Toxic Protect
Weavile should be sample HDB SD

[olive stag]

Thank you, I appreciate your feedback. I'll make the suggested changes and see how it goes

Do you have any suggestions on a team where band weavile fits best? It's pretty fun to use

[naive stump]

I'm fine with volt turn zardx offense

But, here, it's kinda both shaky

Since u have one mid defogger

With a whole zardx

Moreover, u dont have enough offense to not care about hazards being a pain

So it's a weird mix of not being studier enough and also not being offensive enough

Esp as I'm not into that fire spam core of z-tran + zardx

Z-tran is cool and all, but I see it more as lure-them-all

Than a regular breaker

(esp since I think u have a better z to run if u are using zardx alongside)

[naive stump]

Funny squad

Any particular issue with?

Hum

Well, I can see serp being a bitch without gyro ball on ferro

U can prob afford SD zardx here

More pressure on toxa for magearna

And I think this is why I would run something a tad more offense on mag

With fini + cress + ferro

I get that maw could be scary

But u maybe dont need that much bulk on mag

Or at least I would not run split + vswitch

Z-modest CM seems fine

For that cress

Maybe lunar dance could fit here

FS looks alright, so could drop moonlight and make that cress RH/sitrus

But it's up to you

[tribal smelt]

I'm no real authority on banded Weavile since I kind of dislike the set a lot lol
But a classic team would be Volcanion/Melm/Zap/Defog Rocks Lando/ Shifu / Weavile

The MU into Fsight + Shifu is flimsy at its absolute best but its goal as a team is to just smash buttons relentlessly off of preview with Zapdos as the punish to regenerator mons

And since the lowest attack member on the team is still at a meaty 100 base attack that beat up from Weavile will be bashing for a whole lot of damage

Its issue is mostly that its pretty blunt what the team is: I've probably faced that team an untold amount of times when playing SS.

So outplaying it when you get what its goal is is pretty easy

[silent edge]

Thanks, I was mostly trying to make balance/bulky offense but I barely know anything about gen 3 competitive

[polar nacelle]

I dont advise building teams when you dont understand adv yet - adv is a generation with some of the most complete resources including sample teams

And guides

You would be well served just using sample teams and teams on the team dump thread in the forums

[olive stag]

That team sounds fun to me. I haven't used volcanion much at all so I'll definitely throw it all together and mess around with it, thank you

[vivid kraken]

ic

https://pokepast.es/04171245297aaebf something like this?

[naive stump]

The first version was fine fwiw

Would run 252 HP / 36 def on mag for medi calc

EVs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 136 SpA / 84 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

[vivid kraken]

oh ic

[naive stump]

Speed is for scizor

[vivid kraken]

i thought 248 28 did it

so keep the first paste?

with the new mage spread

[naive stump]

Yh

[vivid kraken]

ah ic

ok thx

[naive stump]

I'm trying to remember

What was the point of 252 36 lol

Also, for FS cress

I know skype is sometimes using

Bold 248 HP 40 def

Rest in spA

[vivid kraken]

do u think im kind of lacking offensively

because i can win vs offense with cress mage ferro fini

but not much to actually beat a lot of fat

[naive stump]

Yh

Like, ur main weapon into fat

Is rocks and pray lol

But SD zardx is a bitch for fat in general

The main issue is that ur are force to use defog on fini

Which limits the non sense it would otherwise be able to pull if it was

Taunt NM for example

[vivid kraken]

ah yeah

like whirlpooling

[naive stump]

I think a well played Ditto fat can def puts you in a hard position

And t-spikes toxa is also quite the challenge

[vivid kraken]

ah yeah

[naive stump]

This is the issue with those team having only one real breaker lol

[vivid kraken]

i would have to outplay with magearna volt switch into lando

[naive stump]

The thing is that zardx has more longevity than maw for example

T-spikes toxa is hard to outplay unfort

Unless u are managing to never reveal lando set

U are force to always hard fini on toxa

But then they can outplay that shit and all

It's just very annoying for you lol

I dont think there's much to do anw

I think misty + SD zardx is already decent for fat tho

Without any dragon stab, it require some creative play into something like dmeteor tias

But it's overall possible

[vivid kraken]

ic

[naive stump]

Need to be smart with misty and, if it's still not enough, could drop eq/roost for dragon stab

[vivid kraken]

it is just how creative u get with prep

bc u could never avoid a bad mu if u played a bunch of different ppl

[naive stump]

Well

As long it's not a zero percent MU

I consider the team's fine like that

Tbf, it mainly comes from cress and fini

That bring ton of mixed issue

Usually, cress squad hates moronic stuff

Like maw and, the worst of all, tran

And defog fini is both a bad and good set

[vivid kraken]

ah ic

usually stuff like a bulkier xard and scarf lando u try to outplay

but even those cant keep up long term

[naive stump]

Yh

Unless u are doing

Fat bulky zardx

Issue is, imo, it's hard to rely on zardx defensive profile

Like, it can check serp, kart and volcarona

But u can't expect it to be the sole answer to those answers

Since u will have to expect a situation where hazards will be up on ur field

[vivid kraken]

ic

so i think its best to use this when i feel its good into opponent

[naive stump]

Yh

I think the six is alright like that

Cress is kinda a bit fresh

So I'm not fully sure about its limits

If anything, it's not the shit I slap on whatever I build and think it's fine lol

[vivid kraken]

ya only a few people now innovate in sm

[naive stump]

Well

It's more that it does not always translate into side tours

Like, usually, most people that play sm are just able to pilot stuff

They can't build for themself since they are already busy with other tiers

• building is a long and annoying process

[unborn dune]

https://pokepast.es/b00605e247f06389 shall i change anything here?

[tender coral]

think beat up Weavile is unnecessary here, you can swap it for something like Rillaboom which synergises with the team pretty well

as for Lando/Corv, I'd suggest changing it to Torn (probably the best defogger for balance) and SpD Chomp so you don't automatically lose to Volcarona if you let it set up

https://pokepast.es/b873d67a7a41fe77

[olive stag]

With your changes should I also change melm to the toxic/protect set or leave it AV?

[tender coral]

AV is fine for stuff like Lele and Pult

[olive stag]

Okay cool thank you for the feedback

[unborn dune]

?

[naive stump]

Prob want a better fire instead of tran here

And something else on zapdos

Volcarona + rotom + ferrothorn > magearna + heatran + zapdos imo

Make that lando whatever berry/z-moves

Ferro rocks/spikes

Fog rotom

Z-moves/berry volcarona

And I would run fake out + bullet punch on medi for speed control

Gren should be either spikes or u-turn if u really dislike locking urself on spikes

[unborn dune]

What wld u suggest

[unborn dune]

Ok

[unborn dune]

Huh zap is my kart check

[unborn dune]

Maybe chomp rock z I was thinking ngl

And spdef tran

Or something

[unborn dune]

Ok

[naive stump]

Just follow what I said

Zapdos defog is some huge copium as a kart check anw

And lando + ferro + volc

Prio with gren + medi

That sounds decent enough for kart

Garchomp over lando could work ig

But it's really hard to compensate for lando defensive slot

In this kind of offense

[unborn dune]

Ok

[unborn dune]

True

Unless u do spddf entrance

Jwatean

Heatrwn

Or balloon heatran

[naive stump]

Not really

Lando having u-turn is enough to put above tran for that kind of playstyle

Spedef tran is better for BO/balance/semi-stall imo

[unborn dune]

I was going for a balanced team

Xd

[naive stump]

Lmao

Medi ash gren AV mag

[unborn dune]

Is it balance or dif I guck it up?

😭😭

[naive stump]

No way I can't understand that lol

Completly lol

[unborn dune]

Can you help me them please

[naive stump]

Eh

The issue is that

[unborn dune]

With team building for valance

[naive stump]

Medi ashgren dont fit balance stuff imo

[unborn dune]

Bal*

[unborn dune]

That's fine

[naive stump]

Well, I saw someone use something with those core in a more fatter playstyle

But eh

[unborn dune]

Please help 3

Me

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/f5518cfbbfd76775

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive stump]

This is hella old and all

Oops, mb for the ping

[unborn dune]

True

Xd

I'll sort out a balanced

Look up cores m thar

N that

[naive stump]

Yh lol

I need a start to help

[unborn dune]

Yes please

[unborn dune]

Haha

[unborn dune]

I've built something similar ngl

Whys zapdos looked down upon as a kart check?

Also is there better ones these days?

[naive stump]

I never said zapdos was a bad kart check

But mono defog zapdos as ur kart answer is hella suspect

Since zapdos is prone to take a billion of chip because most hazards setter have a way to punish zapdos

So, It's logical that u will prob end up in a situation

Where rocks are up and u have to sent zapdos on something scary like kart band or SD kart

[unborn dune]

O

Makes sense

Thx

[unborn dune]

is this better?

https://pokepast.es/2cb2cf3474615a41

[unborn dune]

mimicked this

rotom w cld be good ngl

as defog

but idk

kartana can be a issue

mega emdi too

medi

[unborn dune]

Or shall I go mega latios/latias over mega medi, and something else idk where

Maybe latias and nand ttar

Or latios and av ttar

[unborn dune]

this good? https://pokepast.es/e0166a0215712586

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unborn dune]

?

[naive stump]

I dont like giving this advice, but u should maybe take a look at sample teams and learn more the tier

[unborn dune]

https://pokepast.es/160151867ff30104

[naive stump]

It's not that your team is bad but it's kinda obvious that u are yourself not very sure about what you're doing with the team

[unborn dune]

as in i teambuild too old?

2018/2019?

[naive stump]

Nah

[unborn dune]

i am acc sure

[naive stump]

It's just that ur can't properly stick to one purpose

[unborn dune]

?

explain pls

purpose of team is balanced

[naive stump]

Yh

[unborn dune]

apaprelty mega latios/latias r very vaalnced

balanced

hence torn t

[naive stump]

This is exactly what I said

Building balance as a purpose

Is lacking as a purpose

Need a stronger start

A core

[unborn dune]

ah

[naive stump]

A dedicate winco

[unborn dune]

torn t

deffo

[naive stump]

Idk, but just saying

Tias/tios

[unborn dune]

w cjhomp

[naive stump]

And torn because it's balance stuff

Is weird

[unborn dune]

xxd

[naive stump]

And it makes for you producing weird structure

Like celes + ferro was only seen on one very specific semi stall

And it used ditto to not fall into zone stuff and all

[unborn dune]

celes isnt balanceD?

is rachi better?

[naive stump]

This is what I mean

[unborn dune]

for balanced

i see

[naive stump]

U should play more

[unborn dune]

yeh

look up cores

[naive stump]

And improve your fundamentals

[unborn dune]

i see

basically fidn a good core

and work round dat

[naive stump]

I think u should just play more

[unborn dune]

i found a good core

rotom w/torn t

[naive stump]

Building is fun but, without understanding well enough the tier

[unborn dune]

acc

lando t/tran is good

[naive stump]

U either produce already existing team

[unborn dune]

but sigh

[naive stump]

Or just subpar squad

[unborn dune]

true

[naive stump]

Esp

Like

U are picking random core

Which are weird start for a team

[unborn dune]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-good-cores.3693977/

its from this website

lando t/tramn

tran

[naive stump]

What I mean

[unborn dune]

so u got a more updated website?

[naive stump]

Let's say

U pick lando tran

[unborn dune]

yh

[naive stump]

Just how do you build around that

They are both supporting poke

So, how do u go from that?

[unborn dune]

Use tran soddf, lando t dcarf

And then a kartana ch m

Check

Zap or torn t

Defog get

[naive stump]

Yh, this is exactly what I mean

[unborn dune]

Defogver

[naive stump]

U pick set without real purpose

Try to check most threat

[unborn dune]

Yh

[naive stump]

And it leads to mid squad

[unborn dune]

I do tht

Go for threats

[naive stump]

Yh, and I think it's not a good mindset

Or at least it will rarely lead to something truly good

Deciding how u are suppose to win with your squad right at the start

Is very important imo

[unborn dune]

True

[naive stump]

Since it will help you to fix the pace of your team

[unborn dune]

Vale

[naive stump]

And, therefore, picking poke that fit this pace

[unborn dune]

True

Apparently I make more offensive teams

W that structure

[naive stump]

I say again that u should play more regardless lol

[unborn dune]

Can't play w out a team

[naive stump]

Just pick a sample team

The idea of sample is that

If u lose

It's not the fault of the team

But rather ur own skill

So at least it helps you to focus on one parameter to develop yourself as a better player

Since u can already exclude the possibility of playing with a bad team

[unborn dune]

Ok

where do i find the sample teams?

[naive stump]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-sample-teams.3695427/

[unborn dune]

https://pokepast.es/7b421bbbd1e0edf0

is this good?

sample teams slightly updated

cld go specs ash ngl there

and fly z

[naive stump]

U dont

And, yh, the team is cool

[unborn dune]

ok

https://pokepast.es/5049aff00aa68cf6

updated

rh over figo berry lando t

[naive stump]

...

[unborn dune]

rocky helmet

over ebrry

[naive stump]

Why?

Just stick to the paste

[unborn dune]

figo berry seems sus

[naive stump]

Why?

[unborn dune]

1 x use

[naive stump]

?

[unborn dune]

y not lefties by that rate

?

[naive stump]

It's fine here

[unborn dune]

doesnt team seem to defensive?

[naive stump]

It is

[unborn dune]

fudge

[naive stump]

But that team is not trying to out value other shit

[unborn dune]

seems to passive

to me

[naive stump]

Why it would be?

[unborn dune]

feels like constant switchiing

not enough brute force

[naive stump]

Maybe need to reconsider ur actual level before judging other team

[unborn dune]

my level

tbf im probs a 2019 type

or 2018

[naive stump]

Anw

[unborn dune]

when gen 7 came out

[naive stump]

If u dont want to listen

[unborn dune]

🥲

[naive stump]

Then so be it

[unborn dune]

i see y they went def. lando t tbf

team struggles vs kartana otherwise

[naive stump]

Eh

[unborn dune]

on this team

[naive stump]

Tias, prot gren, ferro and tias

[unborn dune]

?

[naive stump]

Kart is like alright

Even without lando

Lando helps a lot to pivot against pert or exca

[unborn dune]

band kart

wld ko em

to some extent

depending on how strong the other mons r

[naive stump]

U can pivot

This is what I mean

[unborn dune]

ik

[unborn dune]

hence i said landot helps w that

too

i do not understand greninjas purpose there w t spieks ngl

if u got sr/spikes?

already on this team?

or is it to poison opposition mons

[naive stump]

?

This is some hazards stacks shit

Already rocks and spikes

So running t-spikes here is not a bad idea

[unborn dune]

fair

[naive stump]

Esp since phazzing + t-spikes is always a strong pair

[unborn dune]

phazzing?

[naive stump]

Roar on heatran

[unborn dune]

o

[unborn dune]

https://pokepast.es/29caaf261067ef88

the perfecftt team

[flint ridge]

why’d u make it tios

[naive stump]

Yh, I dont understand the changes

But dude dont want listen

(+ I checked his elo, so I dont expect any good justification for them)

[unborn dune]

Offense

Teams too defensive, it didn't suit me well

Tios will give more offense

[unborn dune]

That's an old account

My new username is IC1 so nice judgemental skills

I've hit 1500 before here so nice

[naive stump]

I'm not gonna be nice since u dont listen pal lol

[unborn dune]

That's cool, didn't expect you to be nice

Poor judgement skills

[naive stump]

1500 is still mid af fwiw

And, yh, ur justifications + elo already tell me anything I need to get ur overall level

Like I said before, sample teams are here to remove the team aspect from ur loss

And focus instead on ur ingame skills

Since, I can help people but only if they already have reach a certain level of comprehension of the game

U dont have that level yet

And, without good fundamentals, building is pointless

Or at least u are only slowing ur progression

Oh, not anymore on the server ic lol

[vivid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/a0079dcd0a440109 sm ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stray trench]

https://pokepast.es/7dea6583d413967b Incomplete Gen 6 Singles team (I just wanna use my guy mega gyarados but I’m ass at team building) please make it cartridge available

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[candid prairie]

Gyarados is pretty much exclusively relegated to Hyper Offensive teams bc it's a setup sweeper that owns stall, so you wanna use other HO mons to facilitate that

Dedicated hazard leads like Excadrill or Landorus along with other setup sweepers is usually the way to go

[stray trench]

I can’t
Get Either of those

[candid prairie]

okay well we don't really help with arbritrary restrictions like that then, but there's other dedicated leads ig

[stray trench]

Fair enough

[candid prairie]

Garchomp, Azelf, Scolipede

[stray trench]

No 3ds connection is a bitch

[candid prairie]

well

[stray trench]

They should have kept it

[candid prairie]

you can always play on showdown :D

[stray trench]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-goku-goku-mad-goku-dbs-dbs-gif-11120329515669448575

[upper plume]

or hack ur 3ds

[stray trench]

I’m shit at competitive

I will try Garchomp or Scolopide though

They are cool

[stray trench]

@nintendo

https://pokepast.es/c824b1a9f2fd4ad7 Added Scolipede (first Pokémon I ever actually caught as a child)

https://pokepast.es/5d47973fd87dac98 Added Meinshao, not sure if it’s any good but I felt my team needed an offensive pivot

[upper plume]

do you want the team to be hyper offensive or balanced?

because as stories said, mega gyara fits on hyper offense structures

but gliscor and ferro don't really fit on those

[stray trench]

I’m not sure
I don’t know a lot about team building but either is honestly fine
As long as it works

[olive stag]

Back at it again. I really love the dragapult set but I'm not sure if Garchomp>Dragonite or not

https://pokepast.es/0293b3f8dd5f5214

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

mind explaining the Pult spread?

[olive stag]

I yoinked it off of the zolt zor hail ho sample team

[stray trench]

Here’s my quick attempt to fix the team
Changes:
Added Dragonite and Reuiniclus
Got rid of Rotom Heat and Ferrothorn
Yes I know Reuniclus isn’t a hyper offensive Pokémon but I like having a safe option

https://pokepast.es/cde8d9b6bfade5c0

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

You can use Healing Wish Jirachi or Latias if you want support on HO

[naive stump]

Not sure to understand this one

[upper plume]

Rotom H and Mienshao also aren't good here

[naive stump]

Scarf vile is usually for zam and foul play for zardx

It's fair for zardx but I dont think zam is that scary considering glis, tias, tran and mag

[upper plume]

Oh I just realized you don't have a SR setter

[vivid kraken]

ic

[upper plume]

Your suicide lead should have SR

[naive stump]

Also, the team is pretty weak ash gren lol

Nothing want to switch on dark pulse

Or at least

I'm not believing in you

[vivid kraken]

pex > mage prob wouldve been better

[naive stump]

Playing around gren with tias and mag

Sounds pretty scary

Idk

There's some ez way to fix those issue

But it will turn ur squad into generic latias fat

Like you said, some toxa glis stuff could def work

But it's not that great atm

[vivid kraken]

for fat its the generic stuff that works

bc even trying to experiment with like zam u lose alot

is there any good teams with weavile + latias

other than sample 1

[naive stump]

I can sent a few stuff

But I'm not into tias nowadays

Kinda weak to meta trend

[vivid kraken]

ic

new things have been being used to go after teams based around latias

?

like er xard

or just a weavile

[naive stump]

https://pokepast.es/fb1ab63523c16dfd
https://pokepast.es/27eb36a925768dc7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive stump]

lmao

that chatot bot is dumb

anw

old personal favorite of mine

[stray trench]

I’m trying to make this on cartridge
Have you got any suggestions?

[naive stump]

Weavile + Clef to pressure scizor

and funny z-BB skarm with toad to abuse rotom and vile to pursuit trap zapdos

[upper plume]

can run aerodactyl or shuckle or lando-t

[naive stump]

I think this team suffer from the core of skarm tran tias gastro/toad being not amazing in this meta

or at least u prob need better speed control

usually u see lop/zam/ditto in this quite of squad

and a fat reuniclus for the late winco

[naive stump]

yh

zardx is huge

but, even in general

tias balance tend to be well rounded since tias force you to duplicate every of its resistances

with frail speed control such as Torn

so, they suffer a lot from the fact

most old offense gave up the volt turn shit

to being even more offense

like psy spam that now runs offensive kommo-o + hawlucha

fairy spam being fairy spam

and zardx, not only being a pain on double fire HO, on balance, it can runs some non sense such as SD roost lol

for weavile, the recent "innovation" of beat up weavile def force balance to run a real weavile check

which are fewer and dont always fit tias balance

[vivid kraken]

ic

like magearna or some other dark ice resist

[naive stump]

yh

or raw physical wall like clefable

[vivid kraken]

so the meta has been shifting to more in zard x balance to offense

so offense has changed for latias and zardx

[naive stump]

well, usually, just looking at spl replays and other sm side tours

is enough to get an idea of what looks like the meta

since sm is an old gen after all

[vivid kraken]

oh ok