#Old Gens OU

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peak canyon
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😭

tribal creek
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real

tropic schooner
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Np is still usable!! Trust

tender coral
tropic schooner
slow fable
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Im aware at how bad of an idea having golisopod on my ou team is

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but theoretically

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what would be a good way to make my bug child work

tender coral
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and can still get annoyed by the other two

tropic schooner
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And you counter the grasses

tender coral
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your priority removes the top two Pokemon in the tier (Pult and Weavile) and you have a progress making tool in knock off

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just make sure that you have good removal (pads has more value imo since a lot of stuff that wants to come in on pod punish contact)

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I just sent him one, but he's ignoring me worrywhirl

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@tribal creek

slow fable
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This is what I currently run

Golisopod @ Assault Vest
Ability: Emergency Exit
EVs: 220 HP / 252 Atk / 36 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Sucker Punch
  • Aqua Jet
  • Leech Life
  • Drill Run
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its kind of questionable but I built bug son to revenge kill and also deal with toxapex and fini

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which now that im saying out loud sounds like a bad idea but its worked surprisingly well thus, mainly against fini

tepid plaza
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but im not sure which trick room setters are good or not

tender coral
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no I'm aware, I wouldn't comment on this if you weren't

tender coral
tender coral
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it's just going to smooch you lol

slow fable
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oh yeah i forgot i changed that

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i used to have poison jab

tender coral
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yeah that's just 4MSS to me

slow fable
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4MSS?

tender coral
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remove Fini's item with knock off and switch out

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four moveslot syndrome

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I think pod's niche is how it can offer trades against Pult and Weavile while providing knock off support

tropic schooner
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You can also run spikes instead of knock but you can also likely fit ferro with golisopod

tender coral
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^

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just run four attacks imo

slow fable
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i actually do have a ferrothorn on my team

tender coral
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first impression, sucker punch and knock off are mandatory imo

tropic schooner
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Fimp and liquidation are mandatory and i rly like sucker idt knock is as good but its rly good

slow fable
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i got rid of first impression because half the time its resisted

tender coral
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you need the priority

slow fable
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so i figured sucker punch would be a better alternative

tropic schooner
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Spikes is usually better but as i said you can likely just have ferrothorn

karmic geyserBOT
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slow fable
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also this is my full team

tender coral
tropic schooner
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Or at the very least skarmory

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Or ttar

tender coral
tropic schooner
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Or revenge killing gmolt

tender coral
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removing boots from Zapdos/Torn and helmet from Ferro/Clef is so good

tropic schooner
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To each their own tho

tender coral
tender coral
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just think that double priority + knock are mandatory

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puts all variants of Pult and Weavile in a pickle

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DD Pult can't stall out sucker punches since knock KOs

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and pod is bulky enough to live darts

slow fable
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should i keep stealth rock and knock off on my ferro if golisopod already has spikes and knock off

tender coral
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yes for stealth rock

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knock depends on what Ferro needs to check on this team

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mind passing the paste?

slow fable
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ferros current set does really well, but i havent been paying enough attention to what specifically

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i just know the current set is working

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the power whip is a recent addition it used to be leech seed

tepid plaza
tribal creek
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Oh okay, thank you

tender coral
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you already have Corv for Kartana/Melmetal/Weavile

slow fable
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should I put body press on corv then

tender coral
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yeah

slow fable
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as it turns out choice scarf eruption heatran is kind of crazy

tender coral
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Heatran is a fantastic Pokemon

tribal smelt
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And yes, Corv should be Body Press

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Kartana and Rilla look mighty annoying otherwise

slow fable
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should i keep scarf heatran or swap to heavy duty boots volc

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im liking heatran for the most part but im not sure if theyre the fire type for me

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mainly because i had a really drawn out game with a blissey and that really upset me

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idk if quiver dance volc wouldve done any better but still

tribal smelt
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But I agree, blissey is rough

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Blissey + pex is especially rough

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I'd try as hard as possible to remove Blisseys boots and get hazards up

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Since even after taking rocks chip scarf heatran can do a wallop to it

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A general sour note you'll find in SS when trying to make low tiers work is to get stuck in constant patterns

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You'll rarely just have a win handed to you

upper plume
slow fable
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the higher i climb the more meta teams i face and the harder it becomes to justify my strange choices in pokemon

tribal smelt
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But its tricky and specific

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Here I'd say its "good enough" where I can see it justifiably winning

slow fable
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Do you play gen 8 ou @tribal smelt ? do u think u could play against me and help me patch out the major kinks

tribal smelt
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@slow fable You sadly can't @ people for games by server rules, but I could toss an @ in direct messages when I have more time

slow fable
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Oh im sorry

tribal smelt
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Nah you're fine

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You could also try and join the SS discord to discuss the team

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Should be in the discord server directory

slow fable
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Alright, hmu if ever youre free for a game tho

tribal smelt
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Will do

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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^ Discord + other helpful SS OU resources

kind shadow
karmic geyserBOT
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kind shadow
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damn, only 2 rip

ashen ingot
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Would it be preferred to send a pic of my pokepaste team or to send the link of my pokepaste team? Are both fine

gusty jungle
ashen ingot
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https://pokepast.es/728233929bafe6c4

Double trap Slaking nuke team, unfamilliar with gen 3 ou, but this is my first real team I've made,

Plan is slaking opens up with double edge, I expect them to pivot into their steel type or gengar, (Anything else gets oneshot horrifically), if it's gengar, I run a special ttar set to pursuit trap the gengar, defensive gengar sets might survive this but at a high cost, magneton will straight up trap steel types and take care of them to clear the route for slaking double edge spam, there's more but I don't want it to be too wordy.

karmic geyserBOT
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ashen ingot
upper plume
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It looks like you don't really have a Rock resist

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Aerodactyl is going to be a nightmare for your team

ashen ingot
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Aerodactyl can clean up my team real easily, I guess I ignored rock resist cuz I had a lot of ways to deal with ttar

slow fable
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thunder or thunderbolt for specs pult

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what do yall prefer

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actually not specs pult just in general

gentle elm
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Can someone give suggestions for this team I’m trying to climb the gen 8 ou ladder and this team has been doing ok but I wanna know if I can change or tweak it to do better https://pokepast.es/57ee9db8d44d27df

karmic geyserBOT
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karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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@slow fable thunderbolt

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(so that you don't miss on the mon you want to hit the electric move on)

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though the other options section says that you can use thunder if you really want to smack pex and corv

orchid tiger
tender coral
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^^^

slow fable
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slow fable
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guys how can i make this team better against blissey and tox

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i hate blissey and tox so much

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my team usually does well after the changes yall suggested but its always those two that cause problems

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so far the solutions ive come up with are either get a zeraora or go back to physical drag

tender coral
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trapper Heatran

pseudo ocean
slow fable
karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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I'm guessing offensive heatran?

tender coral
slow fable
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ohhhh

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wont tox and blissey outdamage heatran though?

tribal smelt
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Not necessarily

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@slow fable If you magma storm a blissey, click toxic on them they're taking multiple portion of their HP
And since Toxapex does little damage to heatran you can just magma storm, taunt it, and spam earth power

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The one way Blissey can win the 1v1 is to thunder wave the heatran on a predict or if youve removed the heatrans leftovers

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I forget the incriments but its' like 1/8th of their health + toxic damage stacking up

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So Blissey and Pex are absolutely awful entries into heatran

peak canyon
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unless its the famous…

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Shed shell blissey..

upper plume
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@polar nacelle I realized that Will o Wisp is a bit annoying for this team to deal with

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how should I switch into Wow Gengar/Moltres?

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(also changed spin to ice beam on cloy)

gentle elm
candid prairie
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Did you look at the VR or did you just take an elite 4 ingame team and ask for it to be rated

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that is literally leon’s team

orchid tiger
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It’s just not salvageable

orchid tiger
candid prairie
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Was going to give this a genuine rate as my burnout is coming to an end but pretty sure teams like this aren’t allowed lol

orchid tiger
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Wouldn’t say allowed more like why given it’s not a serious team, but it also does feel like you want to be serious

candid prairie
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Yeah just confused lol

polar nacelle
upper plume
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alright

sick fog
karmic geyserBOT
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sick fog
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I'm new to Gen 4 OU so I want to know how to make this team better

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Also I would prefer to keep Roserade and Gyarados

candid prairie
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Lucario really needs LO and Adamant for specific OHKO's, Earthquake also really hits nothing, use Bullet Punch for Scarf Tyranitar or Crunch for Rotom appliances.
Sash on Gengar isn't really going to see use in a game-to-game basis, using SubSplit is probably more beneficial on an offensive team like this

sick fog
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Thank you

gentle elm
candid prairie
# sick fog Thank you

also SD Lucario really likes Pursuit Tyranitar to remove stuff like Rotom and Gengar

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Sand also just really helps Lucario because its immune

candid prairie
gentle elm
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Regardless though I think I could keep rillaboom or dragapult and def scrap the others but I wanna just make a new team from scratch to start ladder climbing

gentle elm
sick fog
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Oh sorry

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I read it wrong

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My bad

candid prairie
gentle elm
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That’d be great

candid prairie
gentle elm
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Do you by any chance know of where to learn on how to team build?

candid prairie
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typically just comes with experience / practice but there are people in here willing to help

gentle elm
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I usually just make troll teams or teams that I’ve seen from somewhere and just tweak them to my own but I wanna learn how to make some from scratch

gentle elm
gentle elm
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Wait this link only has teams for the earliest forms of the meta game does it only contain those teams or are there other ones for later on?

upper plume
karmic geyserBOT
candid prairie
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oh I linked the wrong thing

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oops

upper plume
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^ these are resources that are more up to date

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Wait Crown Tundra is DLC 2

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But yeah the Demo Teams are more up to date

pseudo ocean
slow fable
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I just a fought a dude running special kartana

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that was wild

stiff sail
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I made updates

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hows it look?

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I noticed some issues it would have long term and even tested stuff

timber lance
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whats the goal of chansey here

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like with its move choice

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anything in particular you're trying to deal with?

narrow birch
karmic geyserBOT
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stiff sail
# timber lance anything in particular you're trying to deal with?

I just need the utility to make it harder to sit in on it, say dealing with skarms after roar, one shotting metagross on switch in or whatever, I get a lot out of this variant in general, also showdown refused to update my swampert so its the standard defensive set

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Another thing is the chansey can come in on a lot of special threats and threaten to ko or stall them out

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I just needed a less passive chansey for this team seeing as my forrtress is already so passive

timber lance
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thats fair ig

upper plume
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You could just make Forre a Skarmory and Meta a different cleaner tbh

timber lance
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ig my main concern is needing fire blast for certain threats and also blissey doesn't hit very hard without calm mind boosts

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fire blast can ko relevant targets but the miss chance hurts

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unlike ice beam for dugtrio for instance

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like other than things it can directly threaten with ice and fire coverage it won't be doing much other than throwing around toxic which can be played around

timber lance
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but i think the point of forre is to be a spinner and a spiker

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role compression

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yeah its passive but you can dedicate that freed up team slot for spinner/spiker for something else now

stiff sail
stiff sail
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I’d rather use forrtress

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at least I can force a trade with magneton

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plus its role compression works for my team

timber lance
stiff sail
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ah

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it kept bugging today

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and refuses to update my teams

upper plume
stiff sail
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yeah but if I’m wrong I lose my skarm immediately

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without taking out the magneton

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cuz yknow… magneton will just use tbolt

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it has no reason to use hp fire when it has that against skarm, hp fire is for forrtress

candid prairie
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this is an NU team haha

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I remember seeing these 6 in tournaments before (obviously not the same sets) but yeah don't waste your breath on this

narrow birch
flint ridge
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home meta ahh team

tawdry crane
timber lance
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I prefer salac berry on heracross, it gives it more potential as a cleaner

upper plume
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Well there is a DD Tar as a cleaner

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Imo you should lead Suicune

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So that you don't have sand when switching into stuff

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Especially Zapdos

timber lance
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I'm just not the biggest fan of banded heracross ngl

still shuttle
karmic geyserBOT
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little surge
candid prairie
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where's your rocker

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if you're gonna be sash heatran make it your lead with rocks

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also need a scarfer as speed control, i recommend making tyranitar choice scarf to more reliably trap starmie

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which will help you keep up rocks + spikes

little surge
candid prairie
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still not in the lead slot, focus sash is often going to be a waste, make it a different item

little surge
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any more changes I can make?

candid prairie
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seems decent enough

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pretty standard but no harm in that

upper plume
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If you're Sash Heatran do you need max HP?

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Imo go max SpA Modest and just nuke lead Machamp

sick fog
karmic geyserBOT
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gusty jungle
sick fog
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That's unfortunate

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Where can I find the discord?

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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Here ^

sick fog
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Thank you

slow fable
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Guys is there a benefit to running corviknight over skarmory

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Theyre both bulky steel birds that can defog but skarm can also set up rocks

cold yew
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corv has u-turn

upper plume
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Corv also has better special bulk

desert vigil
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Hey guys any team recommendations for Blaziken in Gen 8?

IMG_5535.png
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He’s my favorite Pokémon and I want to build a team centered around him

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(I’m new to competitive Pokémon btw)

upper plume
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I do believe that there are sample teams that have Blaziken on them

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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ok so it doesn't appear to be listed but I do remember seeing Blaziken quite a bit in SS OU

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There is one in here

desert vigil
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Yay blobthumbsup

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Tyvm mewheart

runic rain
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also depending on how much you use flare blitz and how well the recoil is for risk reward you can also consider changing it to blaze kick

rustic socket
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Hello who have nice team for gen 1,2,3,4,5 plz ?

toxic gulch
timber lance
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^

gritty scaffold
cobalt vigil
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Teammates you typically want with rhyperior are Starmie / Zapdos / Jirachi / Clefable, all of which can spread paralysis.

gritty scaffold
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Ah ok

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So what i use for rocks then? Jira i assume?

cobalt vigil
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or opt for wishtect Jirachi and throw rocks on Tyranitar

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as the lead

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Rocks on clef is another viable option because you already have many para inducers; in that case lead with Zapdos

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Also Rock Wreaker is just like Giga Impact so you want to stay away from it and use stone edge instead

gritty scaffold
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Oh kk

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I just thought rock wrecker could be good to guarantee okho on some targets. But ill just go stone edge then

gritty scaffold
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oh yea i forgot to ask @cobalt vigil can i opt for cb tar or better just keep scarf since is prob gonna be impossible to twave everything?

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in case i go for rocks clef or jira

cobalt vigil
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You can try a slow cbTar, but you rhyperior you may be already fine with offensive pressure.
ScarfTar or Defensive leftives tar were the two versions i was thinking of

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@gritty scaffold

gritty scaffold
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oh alr then

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i was just thinking of second breaker

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bc there isnt spikes

cobalt vigil
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It's not the worst, paraspam can afford to be scarfless

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But this kind of team likes to play the long game hence why I'm recommending defensive tar

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Or scarf

gritty scaffold
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ah ok

earnest reef
karmic geyserBOT
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earnest reef
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something something hariyama jirachi

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team is a little dug weak, was thinking of putting in p2 somewhere but

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other than that not sure what to improve, open to any criticism

candid prairie
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what is the gameplan vs claydol

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seems like u have a whole team revolving around spikes but u cant rlly keep them up

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no spinblocker and no way to rlly threaten dol either

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could do forre > skarm and salemence -> gengar

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dug MU seems fine

earnest reef
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can def change forre to skarm tho

candid prairie
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i feel like hariyama just relies on spikes too heavily

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could maybe make ttar special with pursuit to actually threaten / remove

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spinners

earnest reef
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hmm this is true

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i can try both out

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thank you!

polar nacelle
upper plume
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"disastrous"

little surge
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Gen 4 OU

cobalt vigil
# little surge https://pokepast.es/0450dc4fbffeea58

Gyarados wants a Taunt Lead or Rapid spin support. Your fwg core of Heatran - Gyara - Loom is good but the rest of the team doesn't work. Skarmory and Scarf Tyranitar are better suited for semi stall teams and Specs Latias doesn't offer much here.
Thunder Wave on Gyarados is reserved to specific teams, most often paraspam; use Earthquake instead.
If you want to stick with Heatran - Breloom - Gyara, I recommend adding a Taunt Lead or an Anti lead.

little surge
cobalt vigil
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If you want a balanced team you can look for Scarftar - mixed flygon - spedef skarmory - gengar - specs Latias - 3 attacks protect Jirachi

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Balanced teams are difficult to build because you need to be able withstand opposing clefable so you have a wide array of options

little surge
cobalt vigil
# little surge so kinda like this? https://pokepast.es/aef65b3abf1c7c19

Something like that. Jirachi is better as a 3 attack set with either sub or protect (this acts as you wincon here) and some attack/speed investment. Hp fire is not advised on Latias because of the lowered speed while Draco Meteor + Spikes already gets the job done on steels. You can opt for either Dpulse, Tbolt or Healing Wish instead.
Finally you can put your rocks on tar.

little surge
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sorry I'm just confused since I thought Scarftar is all offense

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btw who should I lead?

cobalt vigil
# little surge btw who should I lead?

It's a way to cheese steath rock against Azelf offense which this kind of team can struggle against. Sr on skarmory is a viable alternative and up to personnal preference. You should lead with whoever carries rocks on your team.
Scarftar can't check Dragon Dance users so you need to add sturdy walls to handle Gyarados / Dnite, which you obviously can't do on offense. Scarftar works on slow builds from balance to stall.

little surge
cobalt vigil
little surge
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Right

little surge
cobalt vigil
vivid kraken
karmic geyserBOT
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polar nacelle
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but ur suicune evs probably should change and are most probably suboptimal

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u will get more stats out if u just use bold

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however i think u should also consider giving this suicune some spdef so that u can take on zapdos

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physdef wise u are pretty strong already having skarm dug dol

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u may also wanna consider giving something a weather clearing move

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like sunny dug

vivid kraken
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also i would use sunny dug over aerial ace right

polar nacelle
polar nacelle
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check vs 0sp.atk zap and timid zap

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modest probably is a bit too much

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check that the sp.atk investment is also sufficient to deal with it

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its some balance in the end

vivid kraken
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timid zap is 252 spa right

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and when i do all of that rest goes into defense?

peak canyon
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Yes

vivid kraken
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alr thx vapi i think i did it

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:wooperscooper:

polar nacelle
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:wooperscooper:

stiff sail
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@thorny lichen

thorny lichen
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there is no paste

stiff sail
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changed my zapdos variant, swapped explosion for toxic on fortress, swapped toxic for twave on bliss, put zapdos in lead over fortress to deal with anti leads

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what?

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oh

thorny lichen
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if you open it it’s empty

stiff sail
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idk why it didnt copy correctly

karmic geyserBOT
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stiff sail
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I also put zapdos as my anti lead/anti anti lead because I need to preserve my forrtress more and realized I can accomplish much more with having a mon using roar in lead, plus now my zapdos can hopefully accomplish more

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cuz I noticed a lot of times it really doesnt get much time to shine on my team

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another reason I reverted it to its standard offense version

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what do you think? @thorny lichen I’m just explaining my reasons for changes

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I think I will switch fire blast for hp grass on bliss actually

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And give my zapdos hp ice

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that way zapdos has more consistent pressure on mance, breloom, and whatnit

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just stuff where its preferable I outspeed

still lance
karmic geyserBOT
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orchid tiger
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honestly if u arent aware of gen 8 ou i would advise using demo teams to understand the meta, zam hasnt been good for a while now and cb zera hasnt been relevant since like dlc 1, also u generally want pads and taunt if ur going for bu shifu-r

still lance
fickle tulip
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The team still isn't good

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Physically defensive lando shouldn't be used, blace shouldn't be mind blown or psyshock, special pult should alnost always be specs, team lacks synergy and good answers to some threats

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You also need a steel type on almost every team thats bulky enough to take hits (not bisharp)

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Oh the hazard situation is dire here

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You need removal or boots (I'd run both on most teams)

still lance
karmic geyserBOT
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minor basin
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https://pokepast.es/7bba7a91e0c93bf3 Gen3 OU team I worked on for a bit. I like it a lot but am a bit apprehensive on pursuit t-tar for whatever reason. I've read somewhere that it works well with forretress but dont really see why. Any recommendations are always appreciated. Thank you

upper plume
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To answer your question, Pursuit Tyranitar is used to trap and remove Gengar to let Forretress use Rapid Spin

minor basin
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this is simpler than i thought it would be, but very effective. I remember having a very hard time with gengar when I was first learning the tier. Thanks for the explanation

still lance
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I got to 1300 in 30 minute with this team is it good

karmic geyserBOT
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still lance
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My alt

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Is it?

late thistle
karmic geyserBOT
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upper plume
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the aero and banette scream spikes

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but there is no spiker and instead two fighters

analog remnant
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Is this team good?

polar nacelle
late thistle
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Banette sometimes makes a good blissey, gengar (and suprisingly also tyranitar) bait

upper plume
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Imo swap out Hera + Loom and put in a special check + Skarm

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You'd basically have big 6 but with a Banette instead of Gengar

upper plume
analog remnant
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Thx

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Also, should I use Entei instead?

upper plume
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No

analog remnant
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I love RestTalk beasts

upper plume
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Raikou is a cleaner

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Don't run RestTalk with it

analog remnant
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Suicune?

upper plume
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It does help with some things but I personally can't say whether Suicune > Raikou will solve all of the issues with this team

analog remnant
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What are the others (besides my dumbass forgetting earthquake on claydol

upper plume
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I'm not sure Band Mence fits on this kind of team

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Because Band Mence fits on balanced teams as a wallbreaker but you don't have the defensive structure even with Suicune to support it

analog remnant
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Should I go dragon dance then?

upper plume
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Probably

analog remnant
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Alr

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also, why not entei?

upper plume
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Well I personally can't recommend Entei

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  1. Because it's outclassed by other Fire types
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  1. Because I don't think RT is very good on it
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  1. Because I've never used it and have no idea what teams support it well
analog remnant
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Alr appreciate it man

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One more thing

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What HP does Suicune like?

upper plume
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It can go 0 HP if you're going with an offensive set

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252 if you're using Sub (which I don't think is good on this team)

analog remnant
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No I mean hidden power

upper plume
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Ah

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My gen 4 knowledge says Electric

analog remnant
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Sick

upper plume
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Vapi or some other rater can give otherwise

analog remnant
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Where's he at?

upper plume
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Idk

analog remnant
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Alright

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But for reference

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Suicune w/leftovers
Rest
Sleep talk
Surf
HP Electric?

upper plume
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Oh if ur going RT go Surf/IB

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Though you'll have to be cautious about ST mechanics

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Or Surf/CM if you want to be evil

analog remnant
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K

leaden fiber
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Abs dont run surf ib rt lol

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surf ice cm rest or surf cm rest talk

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HP only on offensive 3a

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hydro/ice/hp/cm or surf>hydro

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grass/elec

analog remnant
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Also I noticed you said smth about Gen 4

upper plume
analog remnant
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any fun teams to recommend?

upper plume
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Generally samples are fine

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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But top players also post teams often in the DPP forums

analog remnant
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Epic

upper plume
hidden parrot
eternal ether
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raw mega maw team

karmic geyserBOT
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flint ridge
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insane name

untold oak
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gritty scaffold
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First of all you need a rock setter

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Secondly, id recommend running trick over psychic
And dpulse/recover over energy ball

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Better change that mag set from the smogon analysis

untold oak
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Alr

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Why not psychic

karmic geyserBOT
gritty scaffold
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Stuff like ttar , scizor , jirachi , other resist will come in and do not care

untold oak
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Hmm that mag set is interesting

gritty scaffold
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You prob even become set up fodder for reun

untold oak
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I'll try it

worldly walrus
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Honestly

untold oak
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Oh ok

worldly walrus
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I'd replace Psychic with Psyshock to help against Terrakion

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Might be a better call?

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the team is rather weak to it

untold oak
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Ok

gritty scaffold
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Scizor is a fine check to terrak

worldly walrus
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hmm

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fair nuff

untold oak
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Also would white herb meteor be better than replacing energy ball with dpulse?

worldly walrus
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but i think you give rocks to uhh

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ttar

untold oak
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Oh yeah I could

gritty scaffold
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I just think u should change ev spreads

worldly walrus
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Tyranitar @ Chople Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 88 Atk / 172 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Crunch
  • Pursuit
  • Thunder Wave
  • Superpower/Earthquake
gritty scaffold
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From the smogon analysis

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Yea that

worldly walrus
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Yea look up the mons on Smogon

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about the latio

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specs is just kind of bad imo

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and kyub doesnt fit here

gritty scaffold
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Specs is best set lol

worldly walrus
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i think i get that the concept is that hypothetically once ferro goes down to zone kyub and latios just win

gritty scaffold
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But yes kyub and sciz dont fit well here

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Or magnezone

untold oak
untold oak
worldly walrus
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unfortunately it doesnt really work like that

untold oak
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And scizor for strong priority

worldly walrus
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a part of sand team is reliability

gritty scaffold
worldly walrus
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and this team is kind of destroyed by HO and Rain

untold oak
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Oh it isn't supposed to be sand

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Dragmag

worldly walrus
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...

gritty scaffold
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Latios draco already nukes most steels

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Dragmag is preety bad

worldly walrus
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if it is dragfmag

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why do you have rotom ttar and scizor

gritty scaffold
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And theres sample for it already

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^

untold oak
worldly walrus
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ye i'd recommend the samples as u cant get too creative

gritty scaffold
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Dragmag is usually jirachi , magnezone , 4 dragons

untold oak
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Why jirachi?

worldly walrus
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dragmag should look something like this

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you can replace one with like

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starmie

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if you want a spinner i believe

untold oak
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I read that as spineless lmao

worldly walrus
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run latios + latias stuff like that

gritty scaffold
worldly walrus
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ye

gritty scaffold
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And is ur rock setter

untold oak
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Doesn't scizor survive and pursuit trap latios alrdy?

naive stump
worldly walrus
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jirachi can repeatedly

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switch into latios confidently

untold oak
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Ok

worldly walrus
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scizor cant take 2 dracos and rocks

untold oak
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I'll replace

worldly walrus
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do not run ttar, scizor or rotom-wash

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on dragmag

untold oak
naive stump
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It also lack a hazards remover (esp since none of bulu or vic want to deal with t-spikes)

worldly walrus
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they can also be hp fire

naive stump
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I think there's some ez way to patch those issue

untold oak
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Hp fire latios is a thing?

worldly walrus
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yes'

untold oak
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Damn

worldly walrus
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it is more popular recently too

naive stump
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Just ping me later about the stuff u want to keep

untold oak
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Alr ill replace scizor. Sad since I love scizor

gritty scaffold
upper plume
worldly walrus
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if u want to use most of these mons you can just run HO

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honestly

untold oak
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So kyub jirachi latios and mag

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Should I add more drag?

worldly walrus
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ye

untold oak
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Ok

worldly walrus
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yes

untold oak
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Chomp and dnite?

worldly walrus
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jirachi and magnezone then 4 dragons or 3 dragons + starmie

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ye

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this is an example of ones i use in a team

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also your jirachi has to have a very exact set

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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 26 Spe

  • Stealth Rock
  • Icy Wind
  • Thunder
  • U-turn
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run this

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you can run shuca berry over leftovers if you want

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but i wouldnt change it past that

worldly walrus
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i very much recommend scarf latios and cb kyub

untold oak
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Alr

worldly walrus
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dnite probably wants superpower/fire punch for ferrothorn

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wait

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i forgot u have magnezone

untold oak
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Btw scarf kyub has worked well for me so far

worldly walrus
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ignore that

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💀

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hmm

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scarf kyub prob works fine

untold oak
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And specs latios?

worldly walrus
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run scarf

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imo

untold oak
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Ok

gritty scaffold
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Its only good with spikes

worldly walrus
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?

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really

gritty scaffold
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Yes

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Its so weak otherwise

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Like sure you outspeed everything

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But you dont do much dmg compared to specs

worldly walrus
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i think that is just wrong

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do you want a dragmag with no speed

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or something

gritty scaffold
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A team doesnt need 2 scarfers

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It just makes u more exploitable to fat

worldly walrus
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i have never seen

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dragmag without scarf latios

untold oak
gritty scaffold
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Its basically sand balance

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With hippo

worldly walrus
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typically when magnezone kills something scarf latios pops off

untold oak
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Oh

gritty scaffold
untold oak
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Ok so sword says scarf

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Leopard says specs

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Let's compromise

gritty scaffold
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You can use scarf if youd like

untold oak
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And give it band

gritty scaffold
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But i really rather specs

worldly walrus
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if you don't eliminate the important steel it might just be the fault of the player

untold oak
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Latios (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Body Slam
  • Earthquake
  • Facade
  • Shadow Claw
upper plume
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That's not even a good troll

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If you wanted to use physical Latios you should've gone back in time to 2018

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To when Gems were still legal

worldly walrus
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u can run eq on LO at most 💀

untold oak
gritty scaffold
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Why scarf dnite

upper plume
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Scarf DD Nite?

gritty scaffold
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I think you can scarf lati

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But maybe use yache chomp

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I just dont like 2 scarfers in a team

upper plume
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DragMag in the year 2024 needs a Starmie

gritty scaffold
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Right

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Kyub is a waste tbh

upper plume
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BKC can say "oh but you don't want to run out of Dragon power"

worldly walrus
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personally i am a supporter of 4 dragons

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but having starmie isn't a bad thing

untold oak
upper plume
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I'd rather not get 6-0'd by Mamoswine

untold oak
worldly walrus
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it

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really doesnt

upper plume
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It doesn't

untold oak
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What

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But magnet rise

worldly walrus
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band superpower

gritty scaffold
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Mamo outspeeds you

untold oak
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Aaaaaa

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Ok so

upper plume
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Once the balloon is popped and Mag is forced out then you're screwed

untold oak
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Where does starmie go

worldly walrus
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also ye

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balloon getting popepd

upper plume
untold oak
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Which one though

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Not dnite or chomp I think

gritty scaffold
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Kyub

upper plume
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I think any of them besides Nite

untold oak
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Isn't kyub strong?

worldly walrus
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My opinion is you make Latios scarf, put starmie over kyub, make dnite lum

untold oak
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What's bad about kyub tho

gritty scaffold
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Being an ice type

worldly walrus
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it isn't bad, i'd just say it is the one you could throw away the most

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but you could argue throwing away chomp imo

untold oak
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Kyubs gets them dubs

worldly walrus
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i just think latios and dnite are too valuable imo

upper plume
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The problem with Kyu B

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You're likely running a Choice item on it

untold oak
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Yeah

upper plume
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And two Choice items can get somewhat exploitable

untold oak
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Oh

upper plume
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Though teams spamming Protect have become less popular

worldly walrus
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also make magnezone t bolt over charge beam to guarantee ko skarmory without trouble

untold oak
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Ok

worldly walrus
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charge beam is only good on sub sets

untold oak
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True

worldly walrus
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Magnezone @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Substitute
  • Charge Beam
  • Hidden Power Ice
  • Thunderbolt/Flash Cannon
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but i'd argue this is more unreliable

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since u dont have hp fire

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basically

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kek

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so ye just make charge beam t bolt

upper plume
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Mamoswine is also viable on these kinds of teams because it preys on Sand teams very effectively

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But you'll need to make sure that you have plays vs HO and Rain teams

worldly walrus
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just make this your team imo

upper plume
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I personally would prefer Yache SD Chomp

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You lack a bit of breaking power

worldly walrus
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that is a fair choice

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helps against fat teams

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Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Earthquake
  • Outrage
  • Dragon Claw
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maybe fire fang to break through zong?

upper plume
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You have Magnezone

worldly walrus
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true

upper plume
untold oak
upper plume
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Hydro/Rapid Spin > Scald/Psychic on Starmie

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And Air Balloon > Life Orb

worldly walrus
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as i said

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i think you should definetly just make

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latios scarf

inner mist
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Do you want to build a Sand Team or a DMag team?

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Kyu-B doesn't really lend itself well to Sand teams anyways

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Rain or Hail maybe but

worldly walrus
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this has already been

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disucssed

worldly walrus
inner mist
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Ok cool

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So it's just a generic DMag team

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Seems like DMag is a bit worse now with Cloy being banned

upper plume
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Tbh it wasn't the most consistent style even with Cloy legal

inner mist
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Yeah I guess

untold oak
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I made a bunch of changes

inner mist
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Ok, I will check it out later

upper plume
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You want to give Dragonite some room to breathe from Stealth Rock

untold oak
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I'll put rapid spin on

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But why two water moves

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Is scald not strong enough

upper plume
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I'm saying replace Scald with Hydro Pump

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Scald is not strong enough

untold oak
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Oh

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So hydro pump tbolt psychic and rapid spin?

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Also I was unsure about how to deal with sableye

upper plume
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ice beam > psychic

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you should go to jirachi

untold oak
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Oh

upper plume
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it's the dedicated hit taker

untold oak
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I just guessed that when in doubt, nuke with meteor

upper plume
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you can switch into jirachi

untold oak
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Ok

upper plume
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use u-turn to switch into latios

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and then nuke with meteor

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except you're likely scarf so it's not as much of a nuke

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magnezone is actually also decent to switch in once exca was removed

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because it's the most expendable mon remaining on the team

untold oak
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Oh ok

upper plume
#

you trying to hit thunder in sun also hurt my soul

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also turn 14 onward

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you should've started spamming tbolt

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it has 0 downside

untold oak
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So I tried another battle

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And this time my magnezone lost to an excadrill

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The thing just waited out magnet rise with substitute

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And then killed me

upper plume
#

also

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the point of icy wind on jirachi

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is to make sure you can beat it more reliably

untold oak
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Beat excadrill?

upper plume
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you use icy wind as excadrill switches in

untold oak
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Oh

upper plume
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then u-turn into magnezone

untold oak
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Oh

upper plume
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even if excadrill uses iron head to pop zones balloon, you now outspeed and can use magnet rise

untold oak
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What if jirachi isn't in when exca switches in

upper plume
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I'd pivot into Starmie

undone totem
karmic geyserBOT
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undone totem
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Rate plss

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Idea was xard + healing wish

tropic schooner
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dark resist koko is a bit sus tbh

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would run like fini instead of tangrowth mayb

undone totem
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I immediately die to koko then

naive stump
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But the AV tang is such an old set

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I would imagine something like bulu instead

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It share much more synergie with zardx and u can afford to run some funny band or ada bulky SD variant

undone totem
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I initially had bulu

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But

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I liked the idea of hwish + 3a dd xard

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And bulu with EQ zard is eh

naive stump
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It's not that bad

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Esp since with hwish

undone totem
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I think I had

naive stump
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U can afford to take toxic from tran/toxa and still click DD

undone totem
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Sd z bulu > chomp

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And then fini> tang

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Whirlpool fini that is

naive stump
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It's not a bad idea also

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Like

undone totem
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Only issue is mega lopunny

naive stump
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On my mind, I would do some dumb shit

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Like SG mag > koko

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Tankchomp > chomp

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Whatever bulu > tang

undone totem
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What is sd mag

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Shift gear?

naive stump
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SG, mb

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Yh

undone totem
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I wanted smth fast

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In the last slot

naive stump
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U have jira scarf

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Torn

undone totem
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Rachi needs too much hax to rk things

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I don't wanna rely on flinching to rk like medicham

naive stump
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Also tankchomp can be full speed

undone totem
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Although ig torn does that

naive stump
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And zardx tie with medi

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U are gonna struggle to medi regardless

undone totem
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I mean medi gets not many opportunities

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So should be fine

naive stump
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Yh

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  • SG mag
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Is a way better cheat button against offense

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Than koko

undone totem
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What SG mag awt

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Set*

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Or would

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Whirlpool fini>Tang

naive stump
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What u want to hit ig

undone totem
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And bulu> chomp be better

naive stump
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Fleur, focus, tbolt, ibeam, ...

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Losing ground is kinda meh

undone totem
#

What EVs*

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Oh wait I lose ground

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I could run like some ground> koko then

naive stump
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Max spA max speed should be fine

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Maybe

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There's some direction u can go also

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Like the good old red grammo shit prob still work

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This is like

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Some zardx ashgren jira fini stuff

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And, if u are willing to keep the bulu, might even go for some dumb grass spam zardx offense

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The thing to notice is that using Tang nowadays is kinda a bad idea

undone totem
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Do i run earth power garchomp

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With bulu

naive stump
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U have tantrum

undone totem
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Do i need timid

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On magearna

naive stump
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Yh

undone totem
naive stump
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75 physical BP

undone totem
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  • I make fire blast stronger if I don't run - spa nature
naive stump
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Is prob better than epower

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Also, it's important to remember tran is going to be a bitch with gterrain

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So hitting tran on the special side sounds like a bad idea

undone totem
#

Right

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Stomping tantrum it is

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Actually wait im double z

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Maybe band bulu?

naive stump
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Yh

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Band bulu sounds fine

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Or ada SD if u want, just test different variant

undone totem
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Without z?

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Leftovers?

naive stump
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Yh, lefto is fine

undone totem
#

Would help against gren too

naive stump
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Yh, the water resist is pretty meh

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Rain looks like unfunny af

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But can't do a lot here unfort

undone totem
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We could run spdef bulu

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For rain

naive stump
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I prefer to keep the idea of this duo offensive of zardx + bulu

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That pressure SG mag check

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But u could still run a fat ass bulu with ada nature

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I should have something on that nature somewhere

undone totem
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Im currently like

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Near max hp + some spdef

naive stump
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Tapu Bulu @ Leftovers
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 56 Atk / 200 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

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Idk what's the purpose of that crap but this is the idea lol

undone totem
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I think that works

naive stump
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Yh

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Also, another evil MU is prob diancie

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But between zardx DD, SG mag, bulu being fat and all

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Just need to be aware of torn that allows some nasty threat for your team

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Mawile and diancie being on the top of the list

undone totem
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Should be manageable with

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Bulu + mag ye

naive stump
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Excadrill MU is some insane cope moment but u have some ways to manage it with bulu, chomp and torn

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Like, most set can be toyed to cover certain MU anw

undone totem
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Sand is annoying ye

naive stump
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I can totally see some berry mag with a z-fight torn for example

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But, as I said before, most offense

undone totem
#

Also farium or fight on mag

naive stump
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Struggle to weather in general

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Hum

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I think I like z-fight here

undone totem
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And what does timid on mag achieve

naive stump
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U faster than some specific shit

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Like jira or chomp with scarf lol

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Also ada pert under rain is huge

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Vic scarf and whatever

undone totem
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Ohh ok

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@naive stump i found that like I'm ovverreliant on zard to break anything at all

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So I was thinking like

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Fini> chomp

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Whirl fini that is

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And then ground> magearna

naive stump
#

In that case

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The first ground that comes in my mind

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Would be SD lando

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Or z-lando in general

undone totem
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Ye that's what I was thinking

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But offensive ground + bulu is why

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Ehh*

naive stump
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Yh, not very funny lol

undone totem
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Could go groundium

naive stump
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Why not

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I was more into

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Rock or fly

undone totem
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Ye that works too

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The second move is very funny damage

astral thistle
gritty scaffold
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are you sure

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that rotom feels random

astral thistle
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It does but I don’t think it doesn’t work as a dragmag type beat

gritty scaffold
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fair enough

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that play style is just dead

astral thistle
#

Again looked at it for about 4 seconds but it looked like a mostly dragmag thing with a random ttar

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Yeah it is

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Still fun for ladder tho if you’re a believer

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Weird case though where ttar feels kinda random lol

undone totem
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I mean I kinda like this

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Lando helps play around lop too

naive stump
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Yh, it's funny

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I'm ooking at what kind of shit u could go instead of bulu, but gterrain is pretty useful

undone totem
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Koko MU

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Is the issueb

naive stump
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Well, it was between ferro gaming or among

undone totem
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Hmm

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I want the more offensive option

naive stump
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Makes sense

undone totem
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Idt the terrain is gonna be too big of an issue

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Cuz like

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I have fini too

naive stump
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  • we are trying keep the jira idea
undone totem
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For other terrain

naive stump
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I love zardx + bulu lol

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But with bulu build

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It's all about

tropic schooner
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you usually run a bulkier team with zardx bulu tho

naive stump
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Abusing the gterrain harder than ur oppo

tropic schooner
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centered around zardx beating lando

naive stump
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I disagree

tropic schooner
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with terrain up

naive stump
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Last time I saw bulu zardx

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It was one hell of a volt turn offense

undone totem
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What wld be some good Evs for lando

naive stump
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Let me see what I have

undone totem
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I feel like max spa + speed isn't good

naive stump
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Harry Ord (Landorus-Therian) @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 184 HP / 76 Atk / 100 Def / 148 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Fly
  • Swords Dance
  • Stealth Rock
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I dont remember this one lmao

tropic schooner
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it feels like a zardx or mmaw benchmark

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ill see

naive stump
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Yh

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148 is for 254 gang

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Rest is whatever I had in my mind when I made this spread

undone totem
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Ok that looks good ty

naive stump
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Oh yh

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It's up to you

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But I like quite a bit

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Berry bold fini

undone totem
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50% berry?

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Idt I need def on fini with lando + torn

naive stump
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Well, it's more that, since u have a bulu + zardx, ash gren + tran are less stressful

tropic schooner
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+1 252 SpA Kommo-o Clanging Scales vs. 184 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 271-319 (74.2 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

theres a good chance hp is for this

naive stump
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And it will helps instead for pert, medi and vic/zardx

tropic schooner
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yeah it seems to be

undone totem
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Ye

naive stump
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But like I said

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It's up to you

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Both are fine

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@undone totem last thing

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Tapu Bulu @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 100 HP / 168 Atk / 56 SpD / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Wood Hammer
  • Horn Leech
  • Superpower
  • Stone Edge
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I dont remember the exact calc, but it was mainly for ashgren

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Prob need to update that spread since ice fang glis is kinda real but u should not lose to it anw

tropic schooner
undone totem
naive stump
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I think u kinda need a torn

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Or something that outspeed and RK kart and esp Serp

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  • mantine is not enough to handle zardx doing some funny stuff
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U certainly lose to stall but I dont even there's a lot u can do for that

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I dislike the lack of dark resist but eh

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Fuck hoopa ig lol

tropic schooner
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So i made it kart

naive stump
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I dont dislike at all z-fog kart + cress tho

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But that's not the direction I would pick in that case

tropic schooner
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As rain is annoying for maggron