Old Gens OU

[vivid kraken]

zam cannot switch in

[vast oracle]

ok the fact that you suggest to "play around" gliscor for a team otherwise 6-0ed by it i would suggest you stop giving suggestions on tiers you dont play, thanks

[mint plinth]

I'm top 500 on ladder?

[vivid kraken]

thats

not good for a semi dead ladder

[mint plinth]

but I do play

[vivid kraken]

bro ur giving me unviable suggestions

[vast oracle]

i think you cant go wrong with fini KB tran scarf landot that 6 looks okay

do u even need spdef heart swap mage here

with roar tran + taunt fini

if anything i think you can afford offensive

cause tran + fini covers the stuff you usually check

appreciates mzam + KB overwhelming steels for it to sweep lategame

[vivid kraken]

ic

what would be the offensive mage set

do i use double z?

[vast oracle]

not necessary

like bulky CM + 3a attacks can work, still gives you decent defensive utility if you really need it

with lefties

[vivid kraken]

ic

[vast oracle]

or more offensive variant with sgear + 3a with iapapa or shuca

[vivid kraken]

i think beam flier cannon and erm

focus blast right?

bolt is probably not needed i think

[vast oracle]

lack of z means your attacking options is prob boltbeam + focus/aura

[vivid kraken]

ic

[vast oracle]

i dont like fleur without fairium z but you can try

[vivid kraken]

yeah youre right cuz pex will be annoying longterm

even if zam just eats everything they just bring in mage

ok

thx marnie

[vast oracle]

yea hitting pex, chipping spdef mage and celest helps the team

np!

[peak phoenix]

oh k good to know. Yeah I figured CM Latias does basically nothing to Tyranitar

[torn nimbus]

adv ou https://pokepast.es/3ee3b6ecbb14ffe1

[timber lance]

This looks ok but metagross could be a problem

Claydol is your only answer to it

Skarm does ok into it too but can't really do much to it in return

[torn nimbus]

alright

[torn nimbus]

i dont think theres really anything i could reasonably do about that

[timber lance]

I'm not good enough at adv tbh to give a solid answer

ig you just have to be careful

[torn nimbus]

https://pokepast.es/06f100d661e7bdeb heres another adv ou team that i havent gotten to test yet

[timber lance]

This looks ok

No obvious flaw I can spot

[polar mesa]

https://pokepast.es/184d9e5e5944fdd3 @vast oracle

[torn nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[vivid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/51eb045941ebdc0f sm ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[torn nimbus]

any ideas for what i could change to shore up that weakness a little?

[timber lance]

Maybe a different set on zapdos could help you deal with it, who are you trying to baton pass to btw

Cause I'm thinking you could maybe try to twave it

Alternatively, swampert deals with metagross pretty effectively

[torn nimbus]

ttar

[torn nimbus]

why cant i beat heracross am i stupid or something

[upper plume]

I mean it's part of how you've built the team

You have a slow Celebi and Claydol

I'd probably throw on Drill Peck on Skarmory to deal with it

[torn nimbus]

thanks

[upper plume]

Lets you deter raw Focus Punch as well

[torn nimbus]

true

[vast oracle]

6 looks fine, maybe just minor changes:

• A different coverage over focus blast on reuni since you cant really break through MSab teams otherwise; prob electrium z + thunder, with the para chance potentially letting you beat heart swap magearna and opposing CM psychic-types while still letting you check mmedi (cause you no longer have helmet) & hitting the steels & darks decently hard. Having a z crystal to stomach knock offs + trick is nice too
• Knock off over toxic on gliscor to cripple stallbreaker fini and offensive clef, both of which are annoying otherwise. removing celest's lefties is also nice for mlatias. pex + chansey should spread enough poisons
• Tspikes over toxic on pex. helps the HO matchup greatly, early tspikes to reliably put pursuit trappers like weav & mttar on a timer for your double psychic, and you have reuni and glisc to always switch into opposing pex that is looking to absorb the tspikes

[vast oracle]

scarf on zone is only good in balance/fat teams where they otherwise hate CB & SD kart (think teams with glisc + chansey + water). with mlop & serp as revenge killers, i think you can afford specs instead; double breakers with SD garchomp helps the other members clean more easily

psyshock over toxic on cress

and prob dont need double defog either; hp fire on serp is still fine on zone teams to ohko kart

[hybrid flame]

Hi i will have pokemon vgc tournament with friends 2010 rules and want to ask on opponions on my team. Should i send text here or screen shot

[upper plume]

This chat is mostly for old gen singles teams, since singles are the most common way to experience the older gens

you can try asking in the VGC Rate My Team but I'm pretty sure you won't get any help there either

[hybrid flame]

Okey

[upper plume]

!pokepaste

[karmic geyser]

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[upper plume]

and also wrong gen

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059653209678950460

you're looking for sv ou rates

[polar mesa]

https://pokepast.es/9490a8bd53f2ca7c

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak canyon]

oh shit sorry I messed up the channels, just saw OU

[polar mesa]

ok ty

[eternal nova]

Anyone got a crawdaunt team for gen 8 nat dex? Kinda bored of playing him in rain over and over again

[vivid kraken]

ic alr

thx marnie

[polar mesa]

https://pokepast.es/9831cc09392dace5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/51dc6cbe3defe61b

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal smelt]

Immediate issues:
-> Barraskewda has no rain support, and without rain its' an incredibly bad breaker. You should remove this for another Pokemon.
-> Heavy Duty Boots isn't necessary on Corviknight here: I'd either make it rocky helmet + U turn or swap it to lefties. You do also benefit from a mixed spread.
-> Sash Excadrill is misplaced here. This isn't an HO structure. Replace it with another stealth rocker.
-> Thunder Wave Substitute isn't a good set on Dragapult in SS at the moment; I'd make it standard timid choice specs.

[peak canyon]

what pokemon do you recommend i change barraskewda with?

[tribal smelt]

Tapu Lele is a natural inclusion if you go with U turn Corviknight + U turn Dragapult imo

Specs specifically

Moonblast Psyshock/Psychic Focus Blast Psychic/Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball

[tender coral]

Alright this is a bizarre team for a few reasons:

1. Barraskewda is only good in OU with rain support, if you're not giving it that you'd rather go for a different Water-type attacker (e.g. Urshifu)
2. A Toxapex/Corviknight/Clefable core on a team that otherwise wants to be hyper offence is just anti-synergistic, either commit to the hyper offence bit or build around the defensive core you have
3. Dragapult's best sets are either Choice Specs (highly recommended) or some sort of physical set like Choice Band or Dragon Dance, this Substitute Dragon Darts set makes no sense
4. You definitely want u-turn support on Corviknight unless you're running stall

and yes HDB is just a weird item on Corviknight since it takes neutral damage from Stealth Rock

[tender coral]

surely the standard atp is modest

but timid is also good

[tribal smelt]

Timid is necessary here imo

Speed on the team is otherwise less than ideal

[tender coral]

you can probably axe some of the Pokemon for sand rush Drill tbh

CB Barraskewda -> CB Tyranitar

[tribal smelt]

Lots of base lines to go off of tbh

@peak canyon What are you looking to keep

[peak canyon]

toxapex, clefable, and corviknight

[tribal smelt]

I'd say then you have a bunch of branching routes still

[tender coral]

https://pokepast.es/c36244386f7b0971

something like this works, you just basically go for a more classic band Ttar sand build here

oh okay

[tribal smelt]

This still plays into the branching routes part

Now it becomes a regen core + bandtar sand

If you're looking for a balance structure you can instead do something along these routes:
-> Shed shell toxapex with scald haze knock recover
-> The same Clef set you have
-> Corviknight with rocky helmet, U turn Defog Body Press/Brave Bird roost

The ground type you choose will then dictate the progression you'd like from the team

[tender coral]

@peak canyon I would recommend this: https://pokepast.es/5dc5bede48dbf6ce

Hippo works pretty well with Pex/Clef/Corv defensively while freeing up a moveslot on Clefable for the latter to go full nuisance with twave + knock off, and Lele/Pult fit quite well here if you put u-turn on Corv (you also have a one-time pivot in Pex with eject button)

[tribal smelt]

No knock off

[tender coral]

Clef

[tribal smelt]

Ah mb didn't catch that

[tender coral]

you can run haze instead of toxic on Pex if slow setup sweepers are giving you trouble

[peak canyon]

why light screen on pex?

[tribal smelt]

I'd say shed shell is still necessary on Pex here

[tender coral]

and shed shell instead of eject button if Heatran is giving you the business

[tender coral]

for future sight

otherwise Urshifu + future sight setter gives this team a lot of problems

[tribal smelt]

Let alone Weavile

[tender coral]

or Kartana

[peak canyon]

alright does this work now? https://pokepast.es/42ab88588956de17

[tribal smelt]

Looks great

good work

[peak canyon]

thanks a lot brothers, hope y'all have a great day

[tribal smelt]

u2

[tender coral]

it does! looks great

you too!

[last raptor]

https://pokepast.es/e0268a0acd39a846
did i cook?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[timber lance]

This looks baller ngl

[candid prairie]

You’re allowed to use setup moves

[timber lance]

only thing I see is that like

skarm is a bit passive

actually screw bit, very

[candid prairie]

I mean that’s the standard set

[timber lance]

it is but this team could a bit extra firepower

[candid prairie]

The whole team just lacks breaking power besides gengar jumpscaring stuff with its coverage

[timber lance]

yeah gengar's coverage is wild

its not bad persay just interesting

[candid prairie]

I would use mixed ttar with agility metagross or make it dd ttar and use metagross to keep skarm low

[timber lance]

ig a very sneaky sunny day charizard can really hamper this team once ttar goes down but like, thats very specific.

[last raptor]

yeah i felt this too a lot in games

[timber lance]

generally solid core tho

[last raptor]

once zap and gengar went down i couldnt break anything

[timber lance]

but yeah some threat factor on metagross or ttar would be useful

[candid prairie]

Could also do like

Lead salamence > zapdos

[timber lance]

I was about to mention mence

[candid prairie]

To open holes for a dd ttar

Also fix your blissey spread

They return on investment for its HP that is not worth it

Use the spread on smogon

I think there’s one with EV’s to ohko dugtrio with Ice beam

That will also help Ttar a lot

[timber lance]

I think it already is doing that

just that its overkill

[last raptor]

modest max spa max def right?

[candid prairie]

Well yes..

[candid prairie]

Is that the smogon spread

[last raptor]

yeah

[candid prairie]

Hm

1 sec

[timber lance]

thats the set yeah

[candid prairie]

Ah it needs max ok

Couldn’t remember lul

[last raptor]

alr ive changed my lead to lead mence and switched to bulky ddance tar

[candid prairie]

Honestly, if you wanna get crazy, you could try some mixed metagross with hp fire or grass

[last raptor]

maybe

[candid prairie]

But mgross in general applies enough pressure to the check they share with ttar

[last raptor]

ill give my team a go later

thx guys

[timber lance]

np

[timber lance]

happens lol

[uncut fractal]

https://pokepast.es/82cf47439fb7399d
is this good?

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/a0d4a4a8e1b33cd8 mega altaria team, had no idea which channel i shouldve posted it in

[gusty jungle]

What format is this for

[peak canyon]

i think it may be for AG but i’ve got no idea what it works for

but it’s just a team based around mega altaria

i just need to ask the pokémon experts here to see if it’s good 😭

[gusty jungle]

Don't tier a build, build for a tier

[peak canyon]

ohhh i was building in general i didnt know i had to build for a certain tier

would you still rate it for me though?

[gusty jungle]

I can't because its a team in a non-existent meta

[peak canyon]

i think i have a team for one hold on

[peak canyon]

i have a team for national dex ag (gen 9)

is that okay?

[gusty jungle]

I am not an ag rater

[peak canyon]

what about national dex

but without ag

[gusty jungle]

Send a message with the team pokepaste and the tier name and it should ping the proper raters

[peak canyon]

where do i post my gen 9 national dex team

[uncut fractal]

? anyone?

[upper plume]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059714627384115290

[upper plume]

@vast oracle

[uncut fractal]

im thinking of replacing kommo-o and changing water shuriken to hydropump and extrasensory to spikes

[sick fog]

https://pokepast.es/f2d070e695984502

I want to know if this is good or not
This is gen 6 OU btw

[vivid kraken]

i think u should replace kommo with kartana and use z fly lando

also that gren set is not very food

good

surf/hydro pump dark pulse water shuriken spikes

honestly u could go a lot of routes here

because the core kommo rotom mage is very solid and can open up stuff like cb kart

and add 28 def to mage

[polar mesa]

how is this?

[uncut fractal]

Kartana @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Leaf Blade
• Sacred Sword
• Smart Strike
• Knock Off
  is this a good kartana?

or should i do choice babd

band

[calm spade]

https://pokepast.es/02548b8391e240e3 gen 2 ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 2] OU RMT @half jungle, @silver reef, @fresh thistle, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[calm spade]

cant believe this mons viable in this tier

[silver reef]

this team is a bit passive atm

like ur only real way to force progress is a stalk snorlax

which takes fucking forever to break

esp if u play a ttar or a golem

a spinner be appreciated here too

idt you really need skarm on this

hm

[calm spade]

what do i replace skarm for

[silver reef]

prolly smth that can take a thunder

cause if u play spikes + zapdos (which u will) its gonna be very easy to pick off a mon

i think smth like

Rhydon Meganium Cloyster Lax zapdos + 1 is good

prolly starmie last

so like

STalk Zapdos + Rhydon Curse Eq Roar + Reflect Meganium + Curse Eq lax (can be slam or DEdge) + Standard Cloy + Twave Starmie

[calm spade]

https://pokepast.es/17ce197dc3f6797a so like this?

[silver reef]

yea i think thats just better

cause u have actual ways to abuse reflect now

just be careful when u curse behind a reflect though

cause overflow

BDLax also can work here

gives u a very deadly stallbreaker para support on starmie and zapdos

curse is better into offense tho so you pick and choose

[calm spade]

tysm

[silver reef]

be careful with this team vs sleepers

eggy jynx and nidoking are extremely dangerous to these type of slow offenses

u have the tools to deal with them once u sleep sack a mon

but the process of sleepsacking a mon is very hard

esp cause zapper is ur best sleepsack normally

[vivid kraken]

ye thats good

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/a0e011074a6622e5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vivid kraken]

not a bad idea

i dont see the point of double rocks

scarf lando wud be better

pex is bad on this team doesnt synergize with everything else

use mage over it

and to help against offense since no more pex rotomw is good

rotom > koko

https://pokepast.es/5be50bb7a9e7cbbf

though looking back this is super volc zard y weak

so kommo is better

https://pokepast.es/3b9250fe7be45bfc

sorry if the team is too different but that doesnt really synergize well so theres many routes u can go down

by that i mean changing mons but keeping the same concept

[peak canyon]

alright i'll go with that thanks a lot man, hope you have a great day

[vivid kraken]

np u too

[rich compass]

https://pokepast.es/20ff9a8619af521c
Gen 7ou
My main struggle is Gliscor doesn’t do what I need it to. I’ve been thinking about replacing it with something that works as a yard check or more kommo insurance (hate that guy) also been thinking about replacing grens spikes with extrasensory just for that pex guy

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rich compass]

I know zera isn’t the most common Mon out there but him and gren are very good partners

[flint ridge]

who’s the 3 homo and phones on this team

[rich compass]

Top 3 are homos bottom 3 are phobes

[candid prairie]

They’re in order

[vivid kraken]

hmm this team feels very disconnected

diancie gren zera + torn ferro glisc

they dont really synergize well

biggest threat i can already see is lopunny

zera cant stay in forever

and with rocks up tornt is overwhelmed

what i can say is that it really depends what route you want to go down with this team

would you want to build around torn ferro glisc or something of the likes of the other 3

i dont think zera is very good so i would avoid using it

[rich compass]

I was basing the team off of zera+gren cause together they can force a ton of switches while being the fastest thing on the field

Which in turn forces them to switch more

And with spikes/rocks it adds up rather quickly

[rich compass]

Zera isn’t a top tier Mon but it does what I want it to do, also are you suggesting I build this team as an offense rather than balance?

[vivid kraken]

zera definitely does not force a lot of switches

if you want to use it i guess go ahead

the mon sucks tho

you have to run hp ice or youre walled by landot glisc

so make that adjustment

lefties is kinda stupid on it bc it rlly has no longevity

so you should go lorb

[vivid kraken]

so you want to come in and click volt switch?

[rich compass]

Zera forces switches on things that gren struggles with (pex fini etc.) and unlike koko and deal with bliss. I don’t really need Hp ice cause of gren. Lorb is dog ass and actively makes the gameplan worse. Lefties on an offensive Mon has the same purpose as boots in making hazard chip less prevalent. If I’m switching items it would be expert belt or magnet

[vivid kraken]

lol does that but significantly worse

you always have a breaker paired with gren and zera doesnt do it well

like youre telling me zera can deal with for example just bc gren is in the back

you can use zera if you want

wont work tho

bc it seems like your not very open to changes

[rich compass]

I’m open to changes on the latter half of the team, not removing one of the two mons the team is based around

And zera does work

Idk why you are so adamantly against it, it has its niche

I’m willing to change it to a special set actually (Still with cc) cause that lets it not fear burn as much

[fiery cliff]

I made this team for fun and was curious on how good it was competitively. I wanted to know what its pros and cons are and Its a gen 7 team.

[karmic geyser]

OU (Gen 7)

• Sample Teams
• Viability Rankings
• Speed Tiers
• Role Compendium
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[upper plume]

um so first, if you have a Pokepaste then just send the link to the Pokepaste

this will notify people who are knowledgable about gen 7 ou

[vivid kraken]

this is unviable lol

and yeah what tbolt said send pokepaste link

easier to make edits to help you

[timber lance]

Is that rain dance damp rock electrode what a society we live in

Even with my very limited experience with Gen 7 OU I can tell you that a lot of these mons are wholly unviable in the tier

Lycanroc is at its most usable on sand teams and you're not running sand but rain so that takes Lycanroc out of the equation, plus it has a z crystal but so does scolipede?

Electrode is just bad, not much around it

There's a whole lot wrong here

[vivid kraken]

ye

[timber lance]

Even the good mons have, not ideal sets

[vivid kraken]

some word of advice is if you arent experienced with the metagame and have no teams use a sample team and ladder

youll get a feel eventually

[timber lance]

Yeaahh

Cause this is just all over the place I'm sorry

Evs on scizor are bizzare, garchomps set is just plain bad. I'd use a sample set so you can get to know a couple team synergies and viable sets as said above

[vivid kraken]

thats standard zoro

zor

tank chomp isnt bad

[timber lance]

Fire blast is just a weird 4th move

I was gonna say rocks but golurk

[vivid kraken]

most tank chomps have flame/ fire blasy

blast

[timber lance]

I'm misremembering then

[vivid kraken]

this team is just not that good if ur using tank chomp u have rocks on it

[timber lance]

Regardless I won't run my mouth much longer because I'm not good at Gen 7 OU at all I played it when it was cg ages ago. The point has been made

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/6b0914ea848bb969 Gen 7 OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vivid kraken]

i like this team

but i would go hydreigon > gren to give you better longevity

and sd glisc and make scizor defog bc you have a better wincon in glisc

and now you need speed control so scarf ditto > tang would be good

and go tspikes > toxic on pex

tho i think ice fang > facade on sd gliscor would be good

since gliscor is gonna be annoying

[peak canyon]

kk thank you

would i make hydreigon choice scarf?

or specs?

[vivid kraken]

darkk z

[peak canyon]

oh i don’t really like using z moves

on my pokémon if i were to be honest

[vivid kraken]

oh

z moves are kind of a stable in the tier so if u dont wanna use it ur losing a lot

but ok

[peak canyon]

it’s alr

also about scizor being a defog

what move do i replace

[vivid kraken]

swords dance

[peak canyon]

any other changes to the team?

[vivid kraken]

hmm

max zor evs like max hp

56 def impish shud be fine

and rest on spdef

gliscor evs 244 hp 20 speed rest spdef jolly

[peak canyon]

got it

[vivid kraken]

let me find the correct hydreigon evs

[peak canyon]

and with hydreigon, should i do specs then or life orb?

i think it’s max special max speed

[vivid kraken]

244 spa 32 spdef 232 timid

nah

i remembered seeing hydreigon with some spdef

evs

[peak canyon]

ohh

what does the 32 do

[vivid kraken]

uh

i think greninja 3ohkos

[peak canyon]

kk

let me put the team into a pokepaste with ur suggestions

one sec

[vivid kraken]

ok

[peak canyon]

@vivid kraken what should i do about hydreigon

the item + moves

dark pulse draco flame?

[vivid kraken]

uh

dark pulse earth power flash cannon roost

[peak canyon]

kk

https://pokepast.es/616419ececbb395c @vivid kraken

[vivid kraken]

looks fine

[peak canyon]

so no changes?

[vivid kraken]

ya

thats good

i mean u dont rlly need heal bell

id use tozic

toxic

[peak canyon]

id rather use it to avoid

status wear downs

and whatnot

[vivid kraken]

ok

its fine not too significant

[fiery cliff]

Oh alright thanks

[rich compass]

Is this supposed to be stall or bo?

[peak canyon]

no stall

[chrome peak]

how is this gen 7 OU team?

[karmic geyser]

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[karmic geyser]

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[chrome peak]

/pokepaist

[upper plume]

I should ask shiny to make a command for this

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/566d4dbc1b837b70 Gen 7 OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[candid prairie]

dang only one sm rater

[candid prairie]

what have you been struggling with using this?

I can see breakers like kyurem black* and hoopa-u being problematic just bc your speed tiers are pretty poor

[peak canyon]

yeah my speed

kind of sucks

😭

i feel like there’s a lot of defence

[candid prairie]

yea chansey can take on most kyub sets

the z freeze shock set is hard tho

or like fusion bolt in terrain if rocks are up idk

[peak canyon]

would you recommend any changes to the team

[candid prairie]

you have double defog, can probably replace rotom wash with something like koko for some extra speed

since u already have tang and lando as ground resists

koko also means u could use tpunch mawile for toxapex

which kinda sits on ur whole team

otherwise it looks fine imo

[peak canyon]

alright tysmmm

i personally run defog idk i like it but ill def try koko out

[crisp jolt]

https://pokepast.es/9450f1eb57540f12 gen 8 OU this is my first team i made, not entirely originally i had lanturn but switched to skarmory. just wondering if this is a good team at all because im not very sure. I mainly made this with my favorite pokemon and tried to see how viable i could possibly make them.

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid tiger]

This is sadly unviable given how a lot of these mons either not good in ou or just straight up unviable the closest is skarmory which in it on its own has a questionable moveset, I advise https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-demo-teams.3734229/ looking around teams posted here to get a grasp of the meta and to understand what’s viable in ss ou. Do that and take another attempt at building

[tender coral]

I wouldn't be as critical of the Pokemon on this team as Tyson, but I do think that the overall structure is questionable - most Pokemon on the team (perhaps with the exception of Chandelure) have a niche in OU with Skarmory being straight up good in the tier, but combining them all together into a single team is definitely not the best idea

mind if I ask what is your favourite Pokemon that you were trying to build around?

[crisp jolt]

flygon. one pokemon does stick out that isnt really one of my favorites that is mamoswine i brought him because i really didnt want to deal with lando-T.

[tender coral]

well Lando just u-turns on Mamoswine

[crisp jolt]

eh yeah but thats why i gave him stealth rock to punish that

[tender coral]

you're not setting up stealth rock if Lando u-turns on Mamoswine switching in though

Mamoswine should not be your Lando counter

[crisp jolt]

okay

[tender coral]

there are resources on how Lando is used and dealt with, here's a newly written analysis on it: https://www.smogon.com/dex/ss/pokemon/landorus-therian/

[crisp jolt]

alright, and also about when i mentoned how flygon is my center pokemon what advice do you have for him.

[tender coral]

I think it's viable in OU as a specially defensive defogger

it's got some advantages over Lando in that role, namely being a fire resist with access to reliable recovery

you check Heatran and Volcarona more reliably that way

[crisp jolt]

is it also fine to use him as a set up sweeper its what i use him for currently with drag dance, claw+ life orb. or is that more or less unviable.

[tender coral]

definitely unviable

there are way better sweepers for that + Flygon genuinely struggles to break past defensive Pokemon that switch into it due to powercreep

[crisp jolt]

alright also you mentioned how each pokemon has a niche in my team(-chande) i was wondering what niche does crawdaunt have i currently use him as a disrupter with knock off, taunt and prioity.

[tender coral]

basically a wallbreaker with choice band or dragon/swords dance

I don't think that the Pokemon fit together at all, so I suggest doing what Tyson said and reading resources on how Pokemon fit together on teams in the tier first

[crisp jolt]

alright

i'll update it

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mossy plinth]

https://pokepast.es/6a7d8a82256877fd

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mossy plinth]

Should I do smeargle instead of glalie? Banette instead of clops? Hp grass instead of toxic on zap to help vs refresh pert?

[polar nacelle]

Gengar

Subaero

Lead zap and bp to smear might be the way

[toxic gulch]

https://pokepast.es/5acef850334e9767

Gen 5 OU, a smurf like team, although i still debating on putting either Dragonite/Garchomp for the dragon slot...

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @agile saffron, @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo, @worldly walrus, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

Someone else take this

[inner mist]

Have you not already posted this team

I think it would be better to just post something else rather than trying to get validation from the same team over and over

Nonetheless

Salamence directly competes with Nite on that slot, if you want to slot Chomp as well then Chomp competes with Mamo since they fulfill the same niche

[astral thistle]

I also don’t love band loom on smurf bc it can be a big momentum sink once locked

[inner mist]

Yeah

Loom competes with Cloy on that slot

I don't think Cloy has been banned yet no?

Side note, it's funny how Gen 5 has so many tutors yet only three or four actually give advice

And it's only 1 or 2 people ask for it

[upper plume]

Idk why we have so many

But yeah the proportion of people who rate BW vs people who ask for BW rates is skewed

Compared to like SS or SM

[toxic gulch]

I'll be honest man, i barely keep track of team i played, but i think the previous one used nite and have a rapid spin cloyster in it?

[gritty scaffold]

Lum mence is preety bad

Preety sure only scarf is viable

I think dnite could be used over mamo

[upper plume]

DD is theoretically a thing

But on HO Nite is vastly superior

[gritty scaffold]

Altho u need rocks here

I dont like scizor here imo

Maybe jira lead here works

[upper plume]

Loom set is kinda suboptimal as well

Band on HO

Alright someone else take charge of this RMT or else we'll just have a bunch of commenting commentators

[toxic gulch]

I'm jotting this all down don't worry

Is a poison heal breloom preferable then? Or maybe tech with sword dance?

[gritty scaffold]

Ph loom isnt good on ho

Tech sd does work

[toxic gulch]

Life orb i assume?

Aight

[gritty scaffold]

Yes

[inner mist]

Loom in general is kind of in a downturn

It's best set is PHeal but that's usually on Sand, not on HO

And even then PHeal Loom teams have numerous issues that I don't really recommend using

[inner mist]

Aero fits better here. Jira in this case doesn't really fits as a Rocks lead the same way it does on DMag

[inner mist]

Lum Mence is decent if you have something like Hail HO

Unless you want Lefties Nite

[toxic gulch]

By lefties you mean sub-roost set?

Or dd with left?

[inner mist]

No just DD with Leftovers

SubRoost belongs to more bulkier teams

[toxic gulch]

F-punch or eq? For the last slot, after dd, outrage and ex-speed?

[inner mist]

DD Outrage ESpeed and one of Fire Punch or Earthquake

Depends on the team

Fire Punch for Skarm and Earthquake for Tran

[sick fog]

https://pokepast.es/375e47c78dceb2e6

Is there anyway I could make this better

[mint plinth]

https://pokepast.es/949d23b8033302a7 how is this for a matchup fish ho

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[calm spade]

https://pokepast.es/10a0898f665bbb2a gen 3 ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[calm spade]

i heard regice is rly good

idk if thats true

[polar nacelle]

1. don't use boldcune. at least offcune, if not, crocune

2. cbmeta not preferable here. agility probably better

3. skarm and dug are incompatible on this team

choose one of them

[calm spade]

skarm

[polar nacelle]

then probably gengar > dug

or aero

something fast and flying

[calm spade]

what would u recomend

@polar nacelle

ill run aero

[polar nacelle]

i dont know

[calm spade]

https://pokepast.es/3735f874d442e62b i got this

[polar nacelle]

in this case you might want crocune instead

and u might want to run taunt skarm as ur quite spike weak

and maybe mixed metagross

if u go the gar route then a famous team is skarm regice claydol metagross gengar suicune

[calm spade]

crocune

whats that

[polar nacelle]

resttalk 401hp modest

its on the dex

[calm spade]

https://pokepast.es/e9cfb1f809dc49ac this should be the the team right

[calm spade]

what do i replace taunt with

[polar nacelle]

protect, and make it fast

[calm spade]

how fast

or whats the spread

[mossy plinth]

https://pokepast.es/2d5fef4bb53d73c1

[calm spade]

glalie cant be that good right

[mossy plinth]

Good for offense and got tired of mag. Taunt skarm mind games + gets more spikes vs zap which is common lead

I guess I should throw a gengar in to spin block. I’m a fan of glalie tho

[calm spade]

u lose against lead ttar tho

also no ground would prolly hurt

also idk much abt adv but doesnt this team auto lose against weezing

kinda

idk

[mossy plinth]

Not really lose I get free spike then I go medi no one really runs dd tar lead. Psychic starmie hits both weezing and gengar. If weezing has special investment he isn’t gonna enjoy the sub punch from medi either

[calm spade]

lead ttar still exist

[mossy plinth]

https://pokepast.es/a49fb8cbfb19c782

Yeah and standard lead tar might kill glalie but glalies purpose is just spike and dip

Then medi starts to put pressure and can sub mind game

If it draws out gengar on sub I can rock slide > pursuit tar

[mossy plinth]

Changed for fast skarm with taunt but now loses to zap lead but swapped rapid spinner for zap switch in

[calm spade]

rq what does celebi do

that skarm set is wack

ill js leave this for the raters

[sullen kayak]

Untitled 19

https://pokepast.es/c4ad0618fc6306f3

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sullen kayak]

Rate my team

[candid prairie]

looks p good, maybe u want fire punch on dragonite tho or else skarm + hippo teams kinda own u

MU is still hard regardless but it could help

[cobalt vigil]

Swampert is a mismatch; if you want to build screens with Gyara + Dnite you will have to play a Taunt Lead. Azelf brings Rocks, Taunt, Screens and potentially Explosion all in one slot making it the preferred option for this kind of team.
Cresselia: Future sight -> Ice beam to punish Taunt Gliscor and the Dragons which can be a pain. Alternatively you can run twave.
Resist berries are antithetical with screens, what you fear is status (lum) or a lack of power (Life Orb).
Jirachi lacks punch for this type of team and doesn't benefit from the holes created by the rest of the team. Machamp or Lucario are examples of alternative options.
Since you gain bulk with screens, you may not need that much speed on you sweepers, you can drop dnite / gyara to 244 for example.

Also fire Punch on Dragonite over Earthquake to threaten Skarmory.

[sick fog]

https://pokepast.es/53ff10eb7034e0c5

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[polar nacelle]

most skarms run at most 12 speed evs

so u can run faster

[calm spade]

is 16 fine?

[polar nacelle]

Maybe a bit faster

People like to be faster than dol so u can taunt the refresh

[calm spade]

I put 88 before puting it down to 16

Dont ask why 88

[tribal smelt]

If this is meant to be Phys spam HO this is ok

I'd make the Heatran this set

Heatran @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Stealth Rock
• Earth Power
• Magma Storm
• Taunt

Your worst issue with these HOs is the fact that you have no realistic out once Pult starts mashing draco

Have to play with that in mind

Same deal with Scarf Lele

You sort of have to book it the moment an opportunity arises and pick sacks

[gusty jungle]

Gen 4 OU
how do i make it good and not bad thank you
https://pokepast.es/490bd6f72258a893

Oh

Whoops lmao

Gen 4 OU
Ignore the one above me instead yell at me abt this one
https://pokepast.es/b9fa7300063c78e3

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sick fog]

Okay, thanks.

[cobalt vigil]

Emp + Gar + Skarm doesn't fit with a Dragonite + Starmie combo. Dragon Dance Dragonite doesn't need spikes support (and isn't that great atm).

The team lack a true theme

[gusty jungle]

Do u think Emp Gar Skarm Mag +2 more can work tho or nah

That was mostly what I wanted to build with

[cobalt vigil]

emp gar skarm scarftar is a more realistic combo

[cobalt vigil]

This way you can secure the hazards you layed down

after that, option such as mixed flygon, milotic and 3 attacks jirachi are common to complete the core

[sick fog]

Bump

[gusty jungle]

ic thank you

[upper plume]

https://pokepast.es/2024b5c2ebd5fc19
ADV OU, felt inspired after watching Kev's ADV OU lead metagame, particularly the part when he said "you can practically lead with any Ttar set"

may consider putting speed on it so it can outrun skarmory

https://pokepast.es/bd07b2ba0eb54269

something like this

[gritty scaffold]

Prob better ping a rater since the bot doesnt work if ur comphelper

[calm spade]

https://pokepast.es/d6ae679d93158dbf Gen 7 OU ik theres 4 spdef mons and i also heard that tangrowth is bad so idk what to do to

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[calm spade]

js 1?

wth 😭

theres also alotta overlapping moves

[calm spade]

alr i fixed some of the overlapping moves

[timber lance]

post the updated paste then just so its easier

[upper plume]

@leaden fiber @polar nacelle

(pinging cuz ur raters)

[sick fog]

Sad, I want my SM OU team to be rated too

[potent arch]

https://pokepast.es/8e73b0f63a7f7e1f

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent arch]

Could use help with EV/IVs and any feedback

[vast oracle]

i think i've rated this sometime in compgen but yeah you want something else over av tangrowth--aside from being a bad set, it doesnt really cover anything that your other defensive mons already do

personally leaning towards a breaker like Z kyurem-B

pairs well with mdia & fini + improves your matchup against gliscor, which is otherwise troublesome for the team

would make mdia the rocker instead of heatran so you can set rocks against MSab teams, and you can run taunt/roar on the last slot on heatran

[vast oracle]

would also make ferro more physdef to handle weavile & mpert better cause heatran + fini covers most stuff spdef ferro is tasked to deal with

[vast oracle]

• dont really need both ditto & unaclef in 1 team; can go with a bulky water like physdef pex over unaclef for stuff like zardx, victini, & weavile.
• gliscor also fits better on these type of structures over landot, with SD to be the team's wincon so you're not entirely passive, which makes chansey the rocker; between natural cure + mbounce msab + pheal glisc you have enough status absorbers that you can forgo heal bell, especially with pex to improve the tspikes matchup.
• can make chansey twave over toxic to help against stuff like CM-ers like (pain split) magearna, clef, and reuni that ditto cant handle easily if you find these matchups troublesome, though tox is still fine for CM koko

the lele matchup is also atrocious so keep that in mind

this is why chansey teams that forgo a steel run weavile to pursuit trap it

[potent arch]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh that takes away literally everything that makes this team interesting

Helpful feedback, but I’m not doing that

I’ll see what else can be done, if anything

Wait I misunderstood I guess, pardon, I am actually illiterate, infact

But still Gliscor eeeeeeh I liked LandoT.

Okay

I will keep in mind

Tis very helpful advice

Do you have advice about EV/IV spreads?

Additional question: What about not running Haze on Toxapex? Is there a reason to do this here?

@vast oracle

[potent arch]

Poke

I had considered Slowbro in the slot over Toxapex, is this worth?

[sick fog]

https://pokepast.es/263a5f8c2471780e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @agile saffron, @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @inner mist, @long ginkgo, @worldly walrus, @candid prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

i wouldnt recommend life orb gyara

and should be intimidate

also why ur using stone edge

[sick fog]

What item should I use then?

[gritty scaffold]

lefties

im unsure of cm rachi here

ferro might be better overall power whip , gyro , rocks , spikes

with like rawst berry

[upper plume]

team is super aggressive

could run eject poli

[gritty scaffold]

and i think scarf keld mayb better here , run sub thundy

[long ginkgo]

J deel like this list grew again

[sick fog]

Some speed control wouldn't be so bad
But I am worried of dealing with stall

[gritty scaffold]

stall is terrible on this gen

and if u mean like hippo clef skarm reun stuff its hard for any team to cover regardless

but gyara helps vs those hippo fat sands that usually dont use ferro

also run focus blast on that thund , use the set of sub with the ev spread there

[sick fog]

Okay

Do I replace it with Hidden power?

Or something else

[gritty scaffold]

nah grass knot

gknot usually only works on np sets

[sick fog]

Alright

[sick fog]

Back to this, I kinda didn't know what else to put there, maybe I should try substitute

[gritty scaffold]

yea is usually sub bounce dd waterfall

altho ig u could try eq here just fine

[sick fog]

I don't like the idea of using bounce so I'm gonna stick with equake

So the team should look something like this then?
https://pokepast.es/f6161d3a83eb63e8

[gritty scaffold]

Id prob run some defense still

On ferro like on the set

But looks ok

[timid juniper]

Heya, I'm new here. I had participated in a Gen 6 Tourney on Pokemon Showdown today, but my team wasn't exactly the burner. And so I'm looking for someone who might be able to help me build a team for next time?

LG

Cherilyn1977

That was my Team

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662697739225792524/1239201738821603428/image.png?ex=6643618d&is=6642100d&hm=cb92ed3295d7372aa1511414d9c514907e20667086d2fa8d0d3aa2d15fa06a13&

The Teams of the others 4

[upper plume]

What tier is this for?

[timid juniper]

We played the 6th generation via Pokemon Showdown, which means that all Pokemon up to the Kalos Pokemon are allowed, as is Mega Evolution. It is important to note here that no UBER Pokemon are played, because they was forbidden.

i have no idea about tiers, havent played for online battles, only the videogames

i took this as a guide. cuz greninja and lucario was uber i replaced them with gyrados and golurk

[timid juniper]

well when nothing comes from you i go offline and watch tv now

[upper plume]

So is this for gen 6 OU?

We don't help with formats that aren't Smogon formats or Nintendo formats like VGC and BSS

[tepid plaza]

https://pokepast.es/17fdc0508541a708 first time trying to build a team need some help

im rather new to the game

[upper plume]

that's for sv ou

this is for ou tiers before gen 9

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059653209678950460

this is your place

[tepid plaza]

ah sorry!

ty

[inner mist]

Seems pretty decent

Rotom looks like a pain but there is only so much you can do

[slow fable]

hey guys can i get some advice for improving my gen 8 ou team

https://pokepast.es/c1775ee75fdeabe2

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[slow fable]

i havent played since 2022 and even then i used to lpay vgc

[tender coral]

definitely some VGC elements in that team lol

[slow fable]

so far ferrothorn and dragapult work well

and gastrodon kind of

the rest are questionable

[tender coral]

you're probably better off using Golisopod in another tier as the metagame is pretty hostile to it (#1 Pokemon resists its priority and it doesn't have a lot of defensive utility)

[slow fable]

yeah, i wanted to use him since theyre my fave bug but its hard to get value

[tender coral]

well considering that one is universally A+ rank while the other one is Mr. SS OU....

[slow fable]

i used to have a toxtricity in the team

[tender coral]

yeah I think a lower tier would be a good place for Golisopod to shine

[slow fable]

then i replaced it with a volcarona, then zeraora, then darmanitan, and now heatran

ive been trying to get a good scarf user for fairies and steels bc so far theyve been the biggest problem

wouldnt having two choice users on the same team be kind of difficult

if i ran both specs pult and scarf kart

damn, alright ill try it out

ive also been figuring out if i can replace corv with something

rn theyre just a defogger, they dont do much else

mmmm alright

ill test out the team with just the drag change and kartana

i still dk what to replace golisopod with, maybe a fire type to complete the fire water grass core

i wanted to use cinderace cuz i loved them

then i found out they got banned

[tender coral]

hm I'd make the following changes: https://pokepast.es/10262084245016dd

specs Dragapult is simply one of the best Pokemon in the game, Rillaboom has more synergy with your team than Golisopod, and Tornadus-T is a better defogger for this kind of structure (you can fiddle around with its moves, heat wave / toxic is also viable)

Heatran can be flame body if you find the fishing to be more valuable than having something that always beats Volcarona

[slow fable]

whys slowpoke so popular rn?

[slow fable]

oooooooo

[tender coral]

?

[slow fable]

i dont remember slowpoke being that popular back when swsh were the main games

i played a LITTLE ou

[tender coral]

wait which team, I don't recall that 💀

[tender coral]

wait wdym, Slowpoke is a SU Pokemon

its evolutions are good though

[slow fable]

oh wait i misread lol-

i thought they were saying slowpoke evo builds are popular rn

i didnt realize your username LOL my bad

i keep seeing galar slowkings

[tender coral]

oh yeah

I genuinely don't feel like it has three choiced Pokemon whenever I pilot it

yeah I realised after you mentioned the team

[slow fable]

imma test this team and see how it goes

thanks for the suggestions :>

[tender coral]

have fun!

[karmic geyser]

Hippowdon (Gen 9)

Typing

Ground

Abilities

0: Sand Stream | H: Sand Force

Base Stats (BST: 525)

108 / 112 / 118 / 68 / 72 / 47

Weight

300 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[peak canyon]

Hippo.

[stiff sail]

@timber lance

I revised it at one point to keep the forrtress and have some gengar counterplay as well as just a general special wall, and blissey to replace my previous jirachi to ensure I have a wall who doesnt need to set up and can handle some threats better

but at one point it had like 3 steel types

[timber lance]

hmmm

well you could swap in starmie

but then you don't have spikes

and also idk if I'm a fan of both lax and blissey on this team

so much of this team is weak to focus punch and that could use some patching up

[stiff sail]

So far having both together has been beneficial, but I am scared of magneton and breloom

Plus suicune can be scary now that I lack a setup sweeper that doesnt mind it

[timber lance]

yeah breloom could be a problem

it really bullies this team

[stiff sail]

I mean I guess I could swap out swampert for starmie

swampert doesn’t accomplish much in my games

[timber lance]

I'd keep a ground type somewhere

honestly, what I'd do is swap forretress for starmie and maybe drop lax for something else

metagross could work

[stiff sail]

Its tough cuz I wanna keep the walling potential I have now as well as the sweeping potential, and whatnot

[timber lance]

yeah I feel you

[stiff sail]

Plus I dont like fighting gengar

[timber lance]

its just that two normal types don't provide you too much

[stiff sail]

but bliss is a must keep, I need its support and threats

[timber lance]

snorlax is fine and all but it requires a fair bit of support

[stiff sail]

Ah, I come from gen 1 ou mostly, it just felt right to have

[timber lance]

it can be dangerous but its really exploitable

[stiff sail]

yeah

[timber lance]

oh I play gen 1 excessively too dw lol

[stiff sail]

haha I wish people played it more

I was considering swapping it for metagross, with agility and stuff

Though one thing that irks me is I dont have any easy answers for gengar or suicune

nothing that can stay in on them relatively safely

and make progress

my best bet would be to explode on suicune with metagross I guess

but gengar becomes a hole for me

I suppose I can change my ttar variant

Go for one that punishes specially

that might work

[upper plume]

@leaden fiber @polar nacelle bump

[timber lance]

gengar can be dealt with if you use pursuit ttar

[stiff sail]

yeah thats what I’m thinking of running

I dont like having more than one setup mon per team

[timber lance]

if you're feeling brave you can drop spikes but you'll need something offensive

[stiff sail]

so if I’m running metagross I dont want my ttar to be setup

[timber lance]

maybe zard but that worsens your suicune matchup

[polar nacelle]

that ttar set doesnt work very well without spikes

but i appreciate the idea

it lets u sub on a lead tar (but u have to be slow to benefit from that) on a team that otherwise finds it difficult to switch into ttar

maybe u can consider putting cloyster in

i would think abt cloyster > snorlax

[stiff sail]

https://pokepast.es/438292ab0af5169d

How's this?

forgot to swap lum with lefties on ttar

[timber lance]

looks better

[polar nacelle]

with that change u can make zapdos' evs more defensive and use an aero > mence as last

subaero even

[upper plume]

Does SpDef Zapdos take Hydro from Starmie?

[polar nacelle]

depends on what u mean by take

[upper plume]

Because that's one of the mons I found quite a few issues with even with Lax

[polar nacelle]

if u have aero that would help greatly

vs starmie

[stiff sail]

I think this does give me more a chance, since I can more easily take down threats my team cant easily deal with by blowing large holes in the enemy team with explosion

[polar nacelle]

and spdef zap is definitely better at taking starmies hits than offzap

[timber lance]

yeah for sure, also gengar is gonna be easier to deal with now

suicune could still be an issue

[stiff sail]

Yeah but one explosion is all it takes if I'm not too obvious with it

[timber lance]

honestly the best way to cripple suicuine especially defensive sets is to knock it but those are all UU mons

without lefties it becomes way worse

but thats also if you want to use hariyama/armaldo

etc

man I wish armaldo had both rapid spin and knock

[stiff sail]

I was considering some uu mons since I wanna expand my building strategy next time I play

Hence my asking about cloyster

since I cut all my pvp games down to one I wanted to see about maybe taking up pokémon again for when I’m not doing bn 6

my building strategy in both games has improved substantially this year

Anyways, thanks for the help, I really appreciate it

the main reason I focus building strategy first is so I can be sure that my failures are purely my battle strategy and not my builds

[timber lance]

np anytime

you can try cloyster if you want too but I'm not a huge fan of it

[stiff sail]

I only considered it cuz I remembered it holds the same role compression as Forrtress

But doesnt have a weakness to fire

Yknow I had people get super frustrated at my little ball sitting in on them the entire game haha

It just sits around and is a bastard

[timber lance]

thats what forretress does best

be incredibly annoying

[stiff sail]

Yup

It serves a similar purpose to skarm but without the electric weakness

which is something I can appreciate

So I have a similar core going on

[upper plume]

I think I invested speed because I'd like to be able to sub on skarmory freely instead of risking toxic

also, can spdef zapdos fit twave?

[polar nacelle]

Theres no super good answer, u could try lum sub

[polar nacelle]

Yes

I think slow subbing vs ttar is more important than subbing vs skarm

[upper plume]

https://pokepast.es/34ce944693981d35

Something like this?

claydol can probably also be slower

[polar nacelle]

Not rest on zap, hpgrass probably

[upper plume]

Ok so the same set but bulkier

[polar nacelle]

Yeah

And ur zap should be at least 244 speed (the stat, not evs)

[upper plume]

yeah was about to say

is it more beneficial to take away from spdef or hp?

[polar nacelle]

From hp

I also tend to think dedge is pretty terrible on liechizap and i would rather use hpfly

[upper plume]

https://pokepast.es/f8c4243d1e14229b

[polar nacelle]

I also dont see the need for cloy to be so fast

Ttar should be able to sub after mixtars brick break

So u prob want a tiny bit of physdef

I prob would also use leftovers on the agilimeta

[upper plume]

what speed benchmark should cloyster go down to?

[polar nacelle]

I frankly dont know, just outspeed dol (>186), or if u want, ddtar/agiligross (>203)

[upper plume]

https://pokepast.es/414de0b9f40df0f0

Just went down to Adamant Tyranitar

[vivid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/486d9b497999806e ss ou

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal smelt]

This is pretty cute.

I'd say you have some fundamental misunderstandings of how stall in SS works

Going without a ground you only realistically get to do on a few stalls
Zapdos with Roar isn't necessary (although neat)
The Gking EVs are useless for what you're trying to achieve
And the Clefable being unaware without a cleric is not really a set

@vivid kraken What are you looking to keep?

Since you can move and replace a decent bit here

[vivid kraken]

the stall aspect

like blissey + corv

[tribal smelt]

Well I have some personal rules in SS when it pertains to stall

Gastro + Pex + Clef + Corv + Bliss + Filler is pretty standard

The choice between ground types in Hippo or Gastro is the crux

If I pick hippo I get to pick a Blissey set that isn't going to be reliant on setting stealth rock which comes at the cost of my Heatran matchup being often sub-par
if I pick Gastro my Blissey has to be a stealth rocker but I ensure Heatran MU is easier to handle

@vivid kraken Would you prefer one with Hippo or with Gastrodon?

[vivid kraken]

i think gastro is good

but maybe spdef hippo could deal with stallbreak tran

[tribal smelt]

The word is maybe lol

A Hippo stall I'd do is this;

@vivid kraken

• Torn T with Toxic U turn Heatwave/hurricane knock off
• Unaware clef with flamethrower
• Thunder wave heal bell blissey
• Shed shell light screen poison jab knock/ scald recover pex
• Standard ID press corviknight
• standard spdef hippo

[vivid kraken]

would corv have defog?

[tribal smelt]

Yes

Corv with ID press always defogs

The whole goal is to be a boosting wall and a Rilla/Kartana what have you check

[vivid kraken]

oh and would it be the same w gastro?

just over hippo

and rocks blissey

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/58e18866240ed7ef

wow glimmer making non boring teams, revolutionary

i was kinda thinking of doing wisp or tox on this wash

[tribal smelt]

Yes

[vivid kraken]

ic

[tribal smelt]

But the blissey becomes toxic rocks

[tropic schooner]

cuz gastrodon is annoying

[tribal smelt]

And the clefable becomes CM blast heal bell

[vivid kraken]

oh not flame?

[tribal smelt]

No need for flame

The torn becomes Nasty plot hurricane usually

[vivid kraken]

so err

something like this

https://pokepast.es/fb4419f0cbc9fad6

[tribal smelt]

Yup

[vivid kraken]

ok

thank you

[tropic schooner]

pref based but you can make gastro more physdef so ttar doesnt click sedge through the entire team

[tribal smelt]

What glimmer said yh

You can skimp on like 76 defense

Too much removal of spdef and suddenly Zapdos's hurricane has odds to 3shot you

[tropic schooner]

it is kinda bad for zap mu but with np torn stall you win some you lose some

np torn has good mus across the board then some god awful ones

[tribal smelt]

Toxic Zapdos is unsalvageably bad

[tropic schooner]

some of which stall cant consistently patch, one being band tar

[tribal smelt]

(Often)

[vivid kraken]

ic

so just play around those threats to this team

[tribal smelt]

Yh

[vivid kraken]

because i have never seen anyone playing aggressive on stall

[tribal smelt]

Its about aggressively ensuring things are statused and knocked and neutered

[vivid kraken]

using stall anw

ic

so that just allows torn to win

or just one of my wincons

[tribal smelt]

Yh

[vivid kraken]

ok ic

[tribal smelt]

Mind you you can run a Hippo stall and have it pull similar stunts with NP torn

But its significantly harder to play

So I'd advise you to run an entirely different pathing with Hippo + Pex + Torn

[vivid kraken]

so hippo stall sacrifces some mus to open up opportunities into others?

[tribal smelt]

Yup

[vivid kraken]

like prepping u

need to kno

ok

ic

[tribal smelt]

There's a give and a take with SS stalls

Hippo stalls are more comfortable into Arctozolt and Ttar but usually sacrifice stability into Heatran

Gastrodon stalls are less comfortable into arctozolt and ttar but are stable into Heatran

[vivid kraken]

ah ok

i got it

thank you

[tribal smelt]

Np

[tribal smelt]

Toxic

Toxic here or else you have to actually think vs gastrodon

[tropic schooner]

actually yk

hate to say this but

maybe its a cb rilla line

and then replace chomp

idk

[tribal smelt]

Hmm

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[vivid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/1be55466a007dd1c adv ou

[vivid kraken]

the main issue i have is like aerobi its giving me a lot of trouble

i thought i could change the blissey set a bit https://pokepast.es/02a13982fc2c7346 adv ou though has a lot of flinches and stuff it seems

[karmic geyser]

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[violet garnet]

https://pokepast.es/1e7f5bfef9601f09 gen 8 ou

[karmic geyser]

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[tribal creek]

Hello chat
What can i do to improve my very cool Gen 8 OU team

(And no, imma keep Xatu cuz it's not as bad as ppl think istg 🙏 😭)

https://pokepast.es/1ed4598fc5cc2db9

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @orchid tiger, @peak canyon, @tribal smelt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

OU (Gen 8)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Simple questions, simple answers
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[tribal creek]

pain

[peak canyon]

this team is like

horrendous, wtf even is the idea here

[tribal creek]

Thanks

[tribal creek]

Dude i'm not a comp player i'm literally just trying stuff out and want suggestions 💀 not surprised why pokemon fans are hated when that's how they respond

[peak canyon]

brother if you dont know what you’re doing just use samples

[tribal creek]

That's why i'm asking here to learn stuff

Samples are cool and all but dont teach me why they are good

[peak canyon]

well you could ask what makes them good

[tribal creek]

Honestly i mostly wanted to try to go somewhere with Xatu against Ferrothorn and stuff, Golurk bc i really thoughz No Guard was interesting, especially with a move like Dynamic Punch which always Confuses the target

And idk, figured that Rotom Heat and Dragonite are pretty good like that

[peak canyon]

well

as he said

we can go into why this doesnt work

if you want

[tropic schooner]

ok so thought process was

we get to run bulky lefties blazi and shit on weavile that way

and rilla gets to be the pivot while also threatening chomper and gastrodon

you can also get a knock on heatran and zapdos which is good for blace and blazi respectively

[tribal creek]

Well yes please! That's what i'm here for anyway

[upper plume]

I would wager that you shouldn't be so aggressive when evaluating a team for a new player

[peak canyon]

Well, the team struggles with the fact that it

1. has multiple niche/unviable pokemon
2. you’re weak to a wide variety of top meta threats
3. the pokemon just dont really work together
   firstly, the idea in and of itself is flawed.
   as tnt said xatu is really bad, its only seen on ultra specific shedinja stalls and is like conventionally unusable outside of that.
   golurk, while also unviable, doesnt even benefit from xatu’s magic bounce. in swsh there is very rarely a thing as a truly unviable pokemon tho, golurk can work, but the ideas behind getting it to work here just dont make sense.
   lum dd dnite is some hardcore ho pokemon and this isnt that, its more of an offence mon, like i guess it benefits from mbounce but like it doesnt compliment any other pokemon here particularly well
   coballion is insanely bad, like this thing is an incredibly niche pick on some offences to role compress a rocker and weavile check, but it isnt doing either here… this set just thuds into toxapex, slowbro, washtom, etc.
   heattom has arguably been unviable since kyurem got banned, and specs heattom isnt breaking anything whatsoever ngl, too dependent on boots to function without them
   slowbro is such a weird mon here, like why is there such a lack of defined playstyle among this 6
   xatu is a stallmon
   golurk is like an offence guy
   this dnite set is an ho guy
   this coballion set is… ho? but it doesnt actually break anything because coballion is insanely weak due to its measly 90 attack stat, its not gojna be living much that procs its policy anyways
   heattom is like a balance/bo guy
   slowbro is like a balance/bo guy
   your sets are also very wacky, like, there exist smogon analyses for most of these guys that show which sets they run in different tiers with different purposes, just use that to get set

a lot of this feels as if its a result of you just not knowing the game, which is fine, but thats also why i think you should just run a sample

[upper plume]

if you are intent on using Xatu then you should ask tntblader for a xatu shedinja stall team

[rough forum]

https://pokepast.es/8304fa75cfcd3dcf Been playing gen 5 ou a bit this team has got me to 1300 elo but idk whats working and what isnt

Honestly I think I'm in denial about Ferrothorns value here xD

[upper plume]

As interesting as Knock Off on Tentacruel may be, your team isn't so slow paced that it will be effective

Especially since you don't have Spikes

I would probably slot Protect over it because Rain Dish Tenta is broken

Same thing with Calm Mind Roar Latias; it's most effective with Spikes

I would also personally swap the roles of Keldeo and Mamoswine

Keldeo is great at cleaning up offensive teams in the rain

Whereas Mamoswine is at its best when throwing around its powerful attacks against Sand teams

So Scarf Keldeo and Band/NMI Mamo

I think Ferrothorn should have Spikes

As well as heavy Special Defense investment for Latios

Tenta should definitely be faster; at least enough Speed for Adamant Excadrill

You may consider an all-out attacking Latios instead of Latias because it is really the only thing that draws in Tyranitar

[rough forum]

Does it live a crunch?

[upper plume]

You can have it live with Colbur Berry

But honestly weakening Tyranitar so that it is easier for Politoed to win the weather war is good enough

Though CM + Roar Latias is also a fine option for that purpose

[rough forum]

Hmmm oki thank you

[upper plume]

I'll build what a modification of this team might look like

https://pokepast.es/d810050c2dcc4ffb

Something like this

Can also be Substitute over Superpower on Mamo

Encore on Poli is also viable

[rough forum]

Alr ill give it a shot thank you

[rough forum]

After some testing I find myself sturggling with Jellicent so I have went with Krook over Mamo I think it might be more effective

[upper plume]

Krookodile won't help you with the things that Mamoswine will help you against

Your best bet is to lay down Toxic Spikes, pop the Balloon, and then outplay

[upper plume]

alternatively

toxic on tentacruel is also useful

[tender coral]

just use German offence at this point, you need a ground type and 4/6 of your Pokemon are the same as that team

[tender coral]

would prefer you to not make these generalisations

anyways, I think Xatu is pretty limited in what it can do in gen 8 OU - you either want to use it as a stall mon or something that keeps hazards off on HO

example of what it can do on stall courtesy of @tribal smelt: https://pokepast.es/813a2bf1fd494c85

[violet garnet]

dont know german offense, new to gen 8 ou

[tender coral]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-demo-teams.3734229/

[tribal creek]

Alright this gives me a lot of insight as to why my team doesnt work, and yeah synergy really does feel like a big problem here. The other points make sense too. Thanks for the input

[tribal creek]

okay

[tender coral]

Heattom is like balance/BO 4 years ago