#Old Gens OU

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naive stump
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It depend of what u define as hard stall also

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Since a lot of scizor + ditto could be considered as stall or semi stall

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Also, idk if reu chansey scizor kart stuff are still good in this meta

flint ridge
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I consider it hard stall

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since you have no windows

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wincons

naive stump
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Fair enough

gritty scaffold
gusty jungle
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wonder why it didn't ping

flint ridge
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gen2ou

vivid kraken
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gsc ou

untold oak
karmic geyserBOT
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inner mist
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What is this team built around?

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Cuz once again this is just mons cobbled together without any thought put into it

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If you wanted to build around Garchomp, I already linked several teams that had one

untold oak
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Oh I changed a bunch this time

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I watched a video on dragmag

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And it said that it's basically just magnezone, scizor and then a bunch of dragons

gritty scaffold
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so your basically lost to latios

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wheres your jirachi

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bc ttar isnt good on dragmag

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at all

inner mist
upper plume
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he doesn't like starmie, but mamoswine has become really popular in the past few years

umbral tundra
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granite skiff
untold oak
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And then I get one shot

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And if I switch out, then what even was the point of having jirachi

gritty scaffold
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preety sure jirachi can live 1 eq usually from chomp , exca isnt a common lead

untold oak
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My jiracho cant

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Do I just put more def evs

untold oak
gritty scaffold
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you cant even switch well into latios

granite skiff
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who do i ping for gen 7

long ginkgo
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@vast oracle

naive stump
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This is six that got actual usages in high level tournaments

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Like spl

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I think the set are also correct

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So, looks good ig

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Even if I really dislike this six as a whole kek

tropic schooner
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I like dragon move on mlati here to not get dunked on by mzardx because mlati is your only fire resist

naive stump
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Yh

inner mist
naive stump
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Tbf

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I like it also even more

tropic schooner
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Over defog i dont think defog is that necessary

naive stump
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To hit kyurem and medi as well

tropic schooner
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Yeah

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Mono ice beam to hit mmedi is uh

inner mist
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I sometimes pair it with Aero to make up for the Chomp/Drill MU

tropic schooner
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Unideal

naive stump
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Could also prob rework

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Spread on bulu and zone

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I also

tropic schooner
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When they can alrdy mid ground ice punch bcz ur only other fight resist is glis

naive stump
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Not that much of a fan

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Of kart scarf

tropic schooner
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And bulu i guess which is also weak to ice

naive stump
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But since this six already try to fish in some extent lol

tropic schooner
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Scarf kart is needed because youre fishing to match into fat already here, and if u dont kart is mainly there to assist with that

naive stump
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Ig

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It depend for what usage is destined this team

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Like, if it's ladder

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For sure the speed control is appreciate

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But for tournament reason

tropic schooner
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If youre really matchup fishing fat i guess theres normalium z kart

naive stump
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U could go for kart band and run whatever bulu u want

tropic schooner
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That u could run

naive stump
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Z-kart would be funny yes

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Z-grass under gterrain

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Has some hilarious calc

tropic schooner
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Or like. Spdef sd bulu band kart

naive stump
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Yh, it's also legit

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Like

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Most of the issue comes from the fact

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Chansey tias glis can't cover the whole tier kek

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And u put urself in a very weird spot since u stack them with grass spam

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Zone cover decently enough both kart and mawile

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And, in fact

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The biggest reason to run z-zone at all is to make the maw MU possible

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But, in general

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U will lose to very trivial stuff

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Like hawlucha HO

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Or excadrill sand

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It's not a bad six at all

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And the fact that some top player pick the six prove it well enough

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But need to be aware this is still a spl pick

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With the intention of fishing a specific MU

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Like, this is not the shit I would freely use on ladder and expect great result

untold oak
karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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literally the first set is the lead set

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with enough EVs to take landorus-t eq

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with or without shuca berry

tropic schooner
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whether it be electrium koko or swarm volcarona or smth like that

naive stump
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I still dont like how ur are suppose to play against lucha or exca

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Or niche stuff like pinsir

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Not to say, like u said

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Not even accounting lure set

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In general

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I dislike this playstyle of

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One strong offensive but flawed core + one good fat core

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And call it day

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Usually, those squad tend to forget lot of MU

tropic schooner
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its not the worst abr core

naive stump
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Eh

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Well, I def saw worse from spl ofc lol

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In fact

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This team was created

tropic schooner
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that triple steel clef was def the worst clef celest oat...

naive stump
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Around 2019 I think

tropic schooner
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well lets take this to comp gen i think

naive stump
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For sure lmao

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No defog as well

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Yh

inner mist
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You don't even need Rachi to be your rocker, honestly I haven't used Rocks Rachi in a long time

untold oak
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Man I wanna rock jirachi

inner mist
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I mean it's not the only thing that can set rocks up

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You said it yourself that this team kind of struggles against Grounds

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Or at least Lando Leads

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Aero frees up the support role on Rachi so that you can make it do something else

granite skiff
untold oak
full furnace
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upper plume
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I have become disillusioned with most builds bc they get shredded by starmie

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let's see

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you have 3 checks to it which is fine

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hm this team could use a way to handle offensive rotom-w

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I'm generally not a fan of double grounds

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could go spdef celebi over gliscor as the rocker

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then the question is how often can you bring in ape to threaten defog scizor

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also if you have overheat you don't need this heavy special attack investment

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you may also consider slack off > uturn on infernape, that's something that I've liked using

full furnace
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spd celebi and phys def scizor can work?

upper plume
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I think that works better

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since that's better insurance into weavile

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are you regging for seasonal?

full furnace
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I haven't heard about that

upper plume
full furnace
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what's the build with it? i don't see a bdsp ou analysis for celebi

upper plume
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just go 252 hp / 252 spdef w/ a calm nature

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stealth rock u-turn giga drain recover/psychic

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with leftovers

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it's a solid glue against rotom-w and also takes hits well

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I've also experimented with an offensive rocker which this team can opt for

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Ability: Natural Cure  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Stealth Rock  
- U-turn  
- Leaf Storm  
- Psychic```
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blasts through bulky waters that think celebi is weak and passive

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upper plume
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I think I had a team with mixed ape with heavy spa invest

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but that's cuz I used fire blast

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I'd still look into damage ranges against rotom wash since grass knot is gonna be weaker than close combat

full furnace
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blegh
even with Life Orb Grass Knot does like 20%

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not even

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I need max Attack investment to get close to a 2HKO

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172 Attack to 2HKO after Rocks

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feel I could drop Knot for Mach Punch?

upper plume
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maybe

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but knot is the way you beat most other waters

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your counterplay against rotom could just be celebi and chip damage

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try and wear it down for weavile to clean

full furnace
upper plume
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that could work

full furnace
toxic gulch
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inner mist
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Rather than thinking about trying pair mons without thought put into it, I would like to ask with a question

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What mon do you want to build around?

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If the goal is to build around Volc then fitting it on Sand is just not it

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Volc tends to work a lot better on HO teams anyways rather than balanced ones

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A good team structure you can probably use is

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Aero/Chomp (Stealth Rock Lead)
Jirachi/Scizor (Steel-type to absorb Latios' attacks, side note one interesting option could be Bisharp due to it being a Steel-type that threatens Lando)
Cloyster
Dragonite
Volcarona
Filler (Starmie, Latias, Abomasnow, Mew?)

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As for sets you can probably do that yourself

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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Also I've never seen Mew on HO

inner mist
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I was sort of theorymonning Mew as a potential option due to it being the only mon getting Heal Bell

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Some people did try to use Mew on other HOs back before Gems were banned

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Like I get that it won't be Heal Belling all the time but it could be potentially free up Lum Berry on something like Nite

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It's not great but the idea is interesting at least

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The other mons that get Heal Bell don't really lend themselves to HO that much

small bridge
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small bridge
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need some help with the last slot

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ive experiment with dd taunt hp rock gyara, and sub rain dance dragon claw hydro salamence

leaden fiber
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mag > medi

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honestly

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this doesnt have the offense to

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be like

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dol offense

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you aren't breaking skarm enough

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alternately something like cel > bliss, + curse boom lax

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And you can do this

small bridge
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i see

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curse boom return sball?

leaden fiber
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likely quake sball

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and then like mixmeta

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or smth

small bridge
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is self destruct curse not risky

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if they tect on boom arent you just fucked

leaden fiber
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Yep

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dont get fucked

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Ur playing offense

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Kind of how it goes

small bridge
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yikes

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snorlax moment

leaden fiber
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lol

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Kind of yeah

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You can do focus punch stuff

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Bslam focus sball boom

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That works too

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But that doesn't feel great pertless

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Personally

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So

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Eh

small bridge
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on the other hand

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if you run skarm vs lax you always expect mag

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so why would you either tect on a mag coming in

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so i guess in the case its not risky

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aight thanks man

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appreciate it

toxic gulch
# inner mist It's hard to give recommendations when you admit that you cobbled a bunch of mon...

My thoughts uhh... let's see...
Well... I use donphan for both lead and rapid spinner since it has sturdy, plus ice shard help should i ever meet any lead chomp/gliscor.
The Jellicent is there as an answer to rapid spinner such as Excadrill and tenta, while also help prevent set up and hazards from mons like ferrorthorn, plus it's a good defensive mon
Volcarona is... Volcarona, it kinda hit or miss sometimes, hence i only put it on field if the hazard is cleaned
T-tar is there for weather honestly, and to help as a specially defensive wall. Since i noticed i struggled a bit with rain team
And both Alakazam and Haxorus is for sweeping for both side special and physical. Both also as dragon check, as zam have HP ice+sash while Haxorus have scarf which often takes other dragon by surprise if they expect a dance set

inner mist
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Neither does Haxorus

toxic gulch
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It's a toss up for donphan, i switch it with exca every now and then

inner mist
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Ok but my question is

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What are you originally building around?

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I assumed Volcarona since that's probably your wincon so I gave you a structure to work with

inner mist
toxic gulch
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Hmm, let's see

inner mist
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention

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Zam and Volc don't really work together since they accompolish very different things

toxic gulch
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HO like this pershap?

inner mist
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Well this is better but

toxic gulch
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Will need to change that t-tar tho

inner mist
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The reason why I recommended Nite is because it goes a long way with the Keldeo MU

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You can't just copy-paste Hax on that role and expect it to work

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Tar also doesn't really fit here either

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I would also recommend adding Cloyster over Loom, it's much easier to use and is more reliable at winning games

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If you want to run Hax then that requires running a completely seperate team

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Like it basically mandates Dual Screens

toxic gulch
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Dual screen? For set up?

inner mist
inner mist
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Oh yeah this team also doesn't have rocks, so you basically need a Rocks setter

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I would say Aero is probably the best last mon here

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Since it's the mon you are leading 100% of the time with a team like this

toxic gulch
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Suicide led aero with custarp?

inner mist
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No

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Focus Sash

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Aero doesn't have Sturdy

toxic gulch
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Right, I'm thinking skarm sorry

toxic gulch
inner mist
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Oh yeah I also prefer Lum on Cloy since Status can be really annoying

inner mist
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It's basically a filler slot but

toxic gulch
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Maybe something like ferrorthorn for extra bulk and spike?

inner mist
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My best recommendations would be Aboma (weather setter that supports Cloy) or Latias (additional Cloy Check)

toxic gulch
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Or maybe a heavy hitter like mamo?

inner mist
inner mist
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Cloy specifically

toxic gulch
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I'll try both, i personally like mamos cause i used it as Endeavor rock setter in the past

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I think I'll just use a banded version for extra attack against dragon

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Or maybe a sub one...hmm

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Alright what do you think?

inner mist
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Ok now this is pretty decent

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Just test this out and tell us about your results

gritty scaffold
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tatsuthink again the bot dindt work?

long ginkgo
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It didnt lmao

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@half jungle @fresh thistle

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P sure you two know gsc ou?

upper plume
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Imo

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You could make the Lax Rest Talk and then Growth Pass to Zapdos

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Makes you better against Nidoking and Marowak

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I also generally shy away from lead Cloy and more toward lead Lax or lead Elec

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But if you have Kou it's less of a big deal

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Since you can switch into Jynx and Dos better

fresh thistle
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Leading any of Cloy/Lax/Electric on this team is fine, none are 100% better than others

gritty scaffold
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yea i was worried alot about zapdos mu quite alot

fresh thistle
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You can make do against Zapdos with talk lax

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Body Slam can be an option in Lax to dissuade Zap from finishing with Thunder against Lax

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And it can also help set up Machamp

gritty scaffold
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oh alr and then and change kou to zap

fresh thistle
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Yea without Zapdos Heracross also rocks your team

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On the topic of Machamp I think you’ll appreciate a set up move more than a 4th attacking move

gritty scaffold
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yea i could prob change fblast

fresh thistle
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Either earthquake or Fire blast should go

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I might recommend you stick with FB for extra help against Skarm

gritty scaffold
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oo true

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and i can pursuit gengar anyway with ttar

fresh thistle
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Plus it might be useful if espe is forced to bp out versus Ttar

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Get Machamp in with a special attack boost that actually does something

gritty scaffold
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id wonder if is worth keeping curse on lax considering im gonna run bslam. i think i could prob eq on lax over curse

fresh thistle
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Curse is mandatory with Bslam or else you can’t KO rest Zap or Rest Lax

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Very pathetic damage otherwise

gritty scaffold
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alright ty

fresh thistle
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And if you want double edge + earthquake it would be optimal at that point to change Ttar out for something else

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So it would lead to a slew of changes

exotic agate
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made this adv team cuz i was somewhat bored

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any advice is welcome

toxic gulch
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upper plume
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so uh

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the one thing about volt turn

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well first of all donphan isn't it

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nor is life orb shao

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and scizor is the best u-turner on volt turn

long ginkgo
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voltturn without a scizor thaat can uturn

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thats a new one

upper plume
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but you also just lose to keldeo

toxic gulch
upper plume
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mienshao is a niche pick on the best of days

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and its main niche is as a choice scarfer

toxic gulch
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Should i replace the spinner with something like excadrill then?

upper plume
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not as a life orb attacker

long ginkgo
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ngl just run scarf scizor here tbh

upper plume
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agree w/ scarf zor

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you can also run a spdef drill to give you something to throw into dragons

long ginkgo
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for sure drop the shao and donphan too; maybe add a drill and like a gastro instead?

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or something of that sort

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just something that deals w keld p much lol

upper plume
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Is there a keldeo check that threatens ferrothorn?

toxic gulch
long ginkgo
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not that i can think of atm tbolt

upper plume
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only one I can think of is slowking

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or maybe like a hp fire latios?

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but in rain those do like nothing

long ginkgo
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ye i was about to say like

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colbur latios

upper plume
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draco knot fire recover could be a set

long ginkgo
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this may be just a me thing but imo Grass Knot > Sball on Zam

toxic gulch
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Oh? Not encore?

upper plume
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alakazam's last is up in the air

long ginkgo
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yeah its p much anything

upper plume
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shadow ball, signal beam (maybe not on this team), encore, thunder wave

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really up to you

long ginkgo
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zam just has like 11 viable moveslots

toxic gulch
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Hm... Maybe either T-wave for me then

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Wait, nevermind t-tar already have it

long ginkgo
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psychic, psyshock, hp ice, grass knot, focus blast, encore, singal beam, hp fire, twave, sball, or if you rly wanna you could try something like knock

upper plume
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tar should have slide

toxic gulch
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Uh should i put fire blast in t-tar or rock move?

upper plume
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rock slide

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you don't have volc checks

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and superpower is enough for tar

toxic gulch
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Alright, so slide over t-wave and t-wave over s.ball for zam

upper plume
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yeah

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and then spdef drill > donphan

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and a keld check > shao

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I think latios could work here

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like 3a recover

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draco surf hp fire

toxic gulch
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Coldbur right?

upper plume
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colbur or lum berry work

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lum berry lets you be more secure vs thundy

toxic gulch
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Something like this?

upper plume
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pretty decent

toxic gulch
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I'm still eeehhhh, on the set on Rotom

upper plume
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I do think the alakazam slot can be experimented with

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with like a wallbreaker or something

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although latios does fill a similar role to a wallbreaker

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while also weakening tar for zam

toxic gulch
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Can hidden power ice works on rotom?

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Just so it can get surprise on something like gliscor or dragon, in place of pain split?

upper plume
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probably

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although hydro is fine against glisc and wisp annoys dragons regardless

toxic gulch
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I see

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I'll try to check the team out

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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I'd recommend reading the "Other Options" section for Hidden Power on Rotom

karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
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as well as slowking as another option for a keldeo check

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though I think latios is perfectly fine

toxic gulch
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Alright so from the first battle, i won nice.

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Gonna change colbur to Lum berry on latios cause of Jirachi bullshit

upper plume
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Lol

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I think Drill should be your answer into Rachi

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Or Rotom actually

toxic gulch
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Specially defensive Drill can handle latios just fine

upper plume
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If it's Iron Head

toxic gulch
upper plume
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Well you do have Protect

toxic gulch
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Serene grace is bs

upper plume
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That's the Jirachi experience

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Welcome to competitive Pokemon

vivid kraken
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vivid kraken
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also does sharpedo + lele have any viability

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ive been experimenting with it

inner mist
toxic gulch
inner mist
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Ok one thing I noticed with your teams is that you don't really take into account which mons are actually viable or not, just whether or not they are OU

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I think looking at a VR would help you build better teams

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Here is this for reference

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It's a bit old but there are some recent VRs that you can reference

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But anyways back to your question

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I think the best and most viable Volt-Turn team imo would be the CB Rak team

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Like most Volt-Turn teams have Lando instead of Sciz anyways since it does a better job answering Garchomp

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This is a team I would recommend if you are interested in VoltTurn

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And trust me, Jirachi is nowhere near the most frustating mon to face when you get in deep in competitive pokemon

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And besides, it's not like it can really switch into anything on VoltTurn anyways

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It rarely runs Body Slam and Iron Head is too weak

naive stump
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Big issue is how volcarona basically 6-0 this squad on preview tho

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I think u can do something like heatran > jirachi

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Also, I would make clefable bold full def instead

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Since it gives u a better MU against medicham and lop

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Hydreigon last is fine

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As usual, this team seems like weak to stall in general

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Can run either some stuff such as ditto or reuniclus to patch a bit this issue

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Weavile over hydreigon also works

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Running latias as the main defogger in that case is not that terrible anw

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BB on skarm is alright, could go toxic or counter

naive stump
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Since lele by himself fit a very few number of teams (fairy-spam, psy-spam and wof HO).

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And sharpedo is even more niche and harder to fit than lele in general

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Even if I like the calc with ada crunch, I rather use sharp in some sort of spikes volt-turn

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Without the lele support that barely provide something relevant for the shark anw

vivid kraken
vivid kraken
polar nacelle
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with near max def

polar nacelle
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well any kind of mence really

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and use offcune

naive stump
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So, considering the exotic pick, yh, this looks ok

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Even if it's obvious that u lose to some very common shit

torpid forge
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gen 7 ou team pls rate

toxic gulch
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inner mist
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Slowking seems like an odd choice here

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I would add Ferro over it

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And then make Lando your Rocker

upper plume
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I believe I recommended Slowking cuz the team yesterday was weak to Ferrothorn and also needed a Keld check

inner mist
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Yeah Slowking doesn't really fit here

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Ferro gives this team much needed Spikes support for Zam

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Also wait a sec... why doesn't this team have Latios?

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That would have easily fixed the issue here

untold oak
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I'm making a team for blaze black, will this team of 6 suffice: Nidoking, Aggron, Garchomp, Salamence, Samurott, Tyranitar

inner mist
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This isn't the appropriate channel for ingame teams

untold oak
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oh

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then what should i use?

inner mist
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This is a server for competitive teams

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If you want ingame then idk go to one of the Casual Pokemon Channels

upper plume
inner mist
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Ahh

upper plume
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draco surf hp fire

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they went colbur which I didn't fight but I believe I had recommended lum

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so that they were safer into thundy

toxic gulch
inner mist
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Well in this team you may as well replace Scizor with Ferro since Scizor just doesn't seem to have a particular purpose here

toxic gulch
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Can i slot in Lado-T and use him as rocker instead?

inner mist
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Over what? Scizor?

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Sure

upper plume
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I'd imagine it's better to make ferro your rocker and then use scarf lando

inner mist
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I mean I would replace one of Zam or Drill if you want Ferro + Lando

upper plume
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yeah I think ferro + lando > zor + drill

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if you are using ferro

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(part of the reason why I recommend scarf lando is because I dislike scarf drill)

inner mist
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Scarf Lando with Rocks does feel super exploitable though

upper plume
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you can go rocks/spikes ferro

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esp since the team is already kinda weak into volc

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if you were concerned about the volc mu with ferro and not when you still had zor and drill

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idk what to tell you

calm spade
karmic geyserBOT
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obtuse prawn
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toxic or knock off on gliscor?

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and toxapex item and moves for pex, chansey, skarmory uncertain too

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whether i add spikes for defog and make it gliscor as the only defog user

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or add brave bid

upper plume
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And SubSeed Egg...

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I'm not too sure if I like it

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If ur using Donphan you really should be using Golem

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Since it actually checks Golem

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Growl on Donphan doesn't work because unlike Miltank, it isn't fast and doesn't have instant recovery

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Wait correct me if I'm wrong

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But your team just loses to Jynx

flint ridge
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what is considered too passive in gsc

upper plume
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Skarm does like nothing with Drill Peck

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it cant lay Spikes

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and Toxic tends to get Rested off

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so even though Skarm is (in theory) the best counter in the game for EQ Lax, it only fits on defensive teams

flint ridge
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I see a growl rest donphan

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is that not too passive

upper plume
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It is passive

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But the difference is that passive Skarm actually accomplishes something with Roar and Spikes

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And also checking Snorlax

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Growl Donphan doesn't check Lax

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Doesn't exert any pressure

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And isn't that great of a spinner either

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I know that you want to make Growl Donphan work

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But it doesn't do anything and is just free entry for Zapdos or Cloyster

silver reef
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A potential fix is just doing raikou > egg

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If u do use leech egg u should be using synth > sub

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Or giga

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A firelax check be appreciated on this build too

inner mist
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Still prefer non Scarf Rocks Lando on a team like this though since it would be hard to fit otherwise

mossy plinth
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Gen 7 OU

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i've been enjoying the volc and t-tar

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rest are w/e

obtuse prawn
naive stump
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One issue I can tell is how this team is completly overblow by hazard

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Defog scizor is really a mid defog and the only time u can consider it, it's only when the rest of the team is resilient to hazards

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Which is totally not the case here since everything take hazards

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U have no ground immunity, u only have occa berry serp to not auto lose to offensive ground

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U have no volt switch immunity, which mean something like koko specs can pretty much won on preview

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A lot of the set u are running are terrible

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AV ttar without way to hit volcarona is hella sadge

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Clefable unware + sand is already suspect

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But ur are running with wish without protect

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Bulky volcarona with sitrus berry for whatever reason

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Another final glaring issue is how ur main way to win any fat MU

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Is to scam with serp

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Fini + wish could be a fine winpath on paper, but since ur running haze

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That fini is not oppressive enough to single handled bulky MU

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And ur volc is doing nothing againt toxa, chansey and tran for example

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I dont think it's useful to start talking about what threat 6-0 you since I think the structure dont makes that much sense overall anw

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Overall, I happen to have already helped a friend with that idea of scizor + volcarona

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Imo, this is a very counter intuitive concept that just can't lead to a good overall

upper plume
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there are summer seasonals and the sm cup in august

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oh wait the next sm ou tour is when smogon tour rolls around

small bridge
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not sure if this has all tournaments but this is what I use

upper plume
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yeah just wait for smogon tour

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cuz this gen it's gens 9 8 and 7

obtuse prawn
obtuse prawn
obtuse prawn
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and few of them say signups but im unable to type "in" or whatever in there to participate

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nvm signups closed

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how do i specifically find tournaments with open signups

tender coral
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definitely be rude, I love tntblader but I'm not sure what he's on about here, your Magnezone at least chunks Melm if not beat it outright

tender coral
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definitely keep Lando SPD and Ferro physically defensive, physically defensive Lando just isn't worth it most of the time (if you want a Kartana/Rillaboom check just use Torn or Zapdos)

as for changes, it depends on what you want in particular - I think this team works as is but you need to overhaul it if you want a regenerator core, something like what @tribal smelt posted is a good way to maximise Slowbro + Lele psyspam with Heatran and Lando being support pieces: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-secret-santa-2023.3732494/post-9899992

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one obvious change to me for your original team is that you should probably go four attacks on Lele and give it a modest nature: you already have future sight support from Slowbro and you don't want your only real offensive piece wasting a turn to set up its...five bulky teammates that have zero offensive investment?

tender coral
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This is an extremely weird team that is neither offence nor HO: the amount of setup you have (as well as the utter disregard for type chart fundamentals, the team no electric or ground immunities) would suggest that you're leaning towards the latter, but the choiced Pokemon fit better on bulkier structures or different kinds of HO (e.g. CB Melm fits on trick room teams).

I would change Dragapult to modest specs, Rillaboom to bulky SD, Melmetal to the protect set and then tear up the rest of the team - I've seen @hasty ingot and @orchid tiger suggest the xray core of Garchomp and Tornadus but I think you can consider this unorthodox build at the cost of ironically dancing around Volcarona: https://pokepast.es/1264326ae25bc2ae

Nidoqueen gives you a better matchup against stall as it keeps stealth rock up against Corviknight and Zapdos so Rillaboom and Melmetal have an easier time breaking through the two, Slowking just does SPD Slowbro's job better while Zapdos improves the matchup against rain without compromising too much against grass offence

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you run into major problems against Weavile, but what Dex and Tyson suggested isn't any better pikUh - it's why Blaziken is used so much on these structures

flint ridge
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Isn’t nidoking better than queen

tender coral
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you're wasting king if you're using it as a rock setter

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just use Weavile if you want a dark type with priority

torpid forge
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naive stump
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Looks like a 2018 team

torpid forge
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I just made it with some help from Smogon with cores

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I am not experienced in teammakimg :p

naive stump
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Yh, and all of them are quite outdated unfort

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Like

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AV tang is does not exist anymore nowadays

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Since it struggle to check stuff

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Since hazards + a bit of pressure is deadly for tang

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And, because you are running defog zapdos, u can't really remove hazards from the like of chomp, lando, ...

torpid forge
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oh right didn't think about that

naive stump
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So, if u consider this issue, something like

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SD glis

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Prob 6-0 this team

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Also

torpid forge
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yea just realized too weak to gliscor

naive stump
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U got all the usual issue

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Lack of volt switch immunity so u are giving free momentum to mag, rotom and koko

torpid forge
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um yeah this can be troubtroublesome

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would have to change most of the team then ig

naive stump
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Speed control is quite low as well

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Ig

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I'm not sure how to improve this team

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Mawile is very hard to build nowadays

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Outside of a few very well-known squad

torpid forge
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I can change the mega tbh

naive stump
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And z-kommo really only fit HO for me

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I mean

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That would change the complete idea behind ur team

torpid forge
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Yeah but my initial plan was to use zapdos and heatran together

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if they fit each other

naive stump
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I dont think it's a bad idea

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Just a weird idea to work around

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Like

torpid forge
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IYeahig

naive stump
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Zapdos is not exactly what I call a poke nowadays

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It got a few niche, but overall, I always find zapdos kinda mid

torpid forge
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I like zapdos a bit but still it seemed tough to fit anything other than Lopunny mcham or mawile with it to me atleast

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like that gastrodon mcham zapdos team was my initial idea

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but it sseemed Too stally to me

naive stump
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Well

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Lop + zap exist

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And medi + zap as well

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I dont like those team

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But, eh

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If it work

torpid forge
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yeah but they are a bit too stall like teams sometimes

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atleast the cham team

naive stump
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I mean

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If gastro is stally for u kek

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For the medicham squad

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I do remember some variant

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With ebutton toxapex

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But well

torpid forge
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can use this for reference tho

naive stump
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Jira zapdos fini

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Is a pretty decent core

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That support medi with volt turn

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While checking a majority of the tier

torpid forge
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True

naive stump
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Garchomp or lando is usually ur ground

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Since it provide both rocks and much needed offensive support

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Other wise

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It's a old but still efficient structure

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Can pretty much took the lop squad

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And put whatever mega and breaker u want

torpid forge
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yes I think

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Probably need to change my whole team tho

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almost

naive stump
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Eh

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Well

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Like I said

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If u want to build again later

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U need to stick to one clear idea

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The most common way to build in sm ou

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Is to decide asap what mega u want

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Since mega heavily shape the structure of a team

torpid forge
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True I will probably stick with lop or cham

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gotta see the rest of the things tho

naive stump
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Yh

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It's not bad idea to look at other good stuff beforehand

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Since, a lot of times, a better builder already make a good team with the idea u got

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And, at worst, u got a better understanding of how to support this mega/idea

torpid forge
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Yeah will try some battles with changed team sets and all

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to like check some errors maybe

naive stump
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Yh

torpid forge
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Thanks for help

naive stump
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Np

olive stag
tender coral
olive stag
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I play the team more of a semi stall, I think, until I delete any steel types with zone then clean with Lele

tender coral
tender coral
olive stag
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Which melm set would you use?

tender coral
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this one so you bully Corv trying to roost on your future sight chain

olive stag
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Awesome thank you very much. I'll try that out today and see how it goes

vivid kraken
tender coral
olive stag
gusty jungle
drifting estuary
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Yeah that was the first team I ever posted on here lol

tender coral
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we all start somewhere, at least you started out with good mons uwu

drifting estuary
#

I know a decent amount about Pokemon but only recently got into showdown

toxic gulch
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I'm trying to build an ORAS OU team, first time doing it, I'm thinking something along the line of sticky webs + craw mix with double screen volc...and there's also sand rush ex and ddance m-ttar cause why not at this point

https://pokepast.es/98dff4facac84c88

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#

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naive stump
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I think the main issue is mainly maero

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While I dont think it's a bad mega, there's still better option to use is that kind of structure

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Esp as, in my experience, adamant nature is near mandatory since it's very useful for some important calcs

upper plume
naive stump
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Otherwise

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Prob need a sturdy dark resist to avoid

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Dark pulse flinch from gren

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And also a real psy resist

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I think magearna fit well here

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Something like pain split + CM/HS to deal with other CMers

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For the mega over aero

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Anything faster should work fine

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Mzam or mlop for example

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To cover the lack of rocks setter, u could put gliscor over gastrodon also

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naive stump
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Ur team will def suffer from rain unfort

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So it's a MU u need to outplay with lop/zam

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And possibly ur torn that can hold a z-move (flyinium works well here)

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Reu is also a decent z-move user here

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On that note, if u really wanna bully rain, I can see slowbro over reuniclus

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Not only slowbro check swampert, u can tech z-zap cannon to snipe both manaphy and fini

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But without reu, this team def will struggle a lot against fat

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(which is already the case, but I trust ur mageana + reu + torn to overcome this MU)

obtuse prawn
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alr

tender coral
flint ridge
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Eh it’s playable

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Unless they change the time again

vivid kraken
naive stump
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And make this magearna spedef

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I dont think u will need careful glis here

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I think jolly is fine for tran MU

tender coral
#

here's a variation that keeps Koko and Volcanion around, logic is that Garchomp + Torn handles Urshifu/Clown better so Ferrothorn can focus on checking Weavile/Ttar, threats that @tropic schooner noted: https://pokepast.es/06ed3cd363d06710

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otherwise I think @tribal smelt's team works for variations with Mienshao

vivid kraken
naive stump
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Z-torn I think

vivid kraken
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ok thx

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i also made this

tropic schooner
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you can also make them take extra rocks damage if they switch into a bird

vivid kraken
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oops wrong message

vivid kraken
naive stump
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I kinda dislike the lack of clear winco

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apart just stacking hazards and pray it work kek

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like

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I see something like clef rocks

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and SD gliscor instead

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also

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ur team really dont want to switch on heatran unfort

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mainly because toxapex is not a real tran switch

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and slowbro is barely enough since it take way too much chip between toxic, hazards and magma storm

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I like this one a bit more

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it's a bit old, but it's fairly solid and well made

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very near of ur structure

flint ridge
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I always wonder how this team plays

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into psyspam

naive stump
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well

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I believe most ferro fat somewhat lose to

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psyspam and fairy spam

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like

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I think tias + glis + ferro is more than enough for zam

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it depend a lot of lele set

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lele specs is not bad here

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but CM 3A is prob a 6-0

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bulky taunt is also nasty

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but since those team are made to farm fat

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it's not unexpected that those fat have a bad MU into those team

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imo, CM tias can go a long way into psy-spam tho

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since mag is basically a set up fodder for it

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and u have hazards to chip lele

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also, torn can also pressure with hazards + z-fly

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and SD glis is SD glis

vivid kraken
naive stump
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kyurem team?

vivid kraken
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yeah kyub mega gallad

naive stump
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oh

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it's not really a good team

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mgallade is kinda bad in sm ou

vivid kraken
#

yeah

flint ridge
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mtias does seem like the saving grace

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vs those type of offense

toxic gulch
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proper kite
karmic geyserBOT
#

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proper kite
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Hello

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Before you say anything I know I can’t get rid of spikes

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I heard it was good to have a weakness triangle as a core of your team so I used Toxapex, Rillaboom, and Blacephalon

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What’s pult?

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I’ve definitely considered getting rid of magnezone but Scizor is lifting some weight in low tiers

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Good point lol my only answer to it is the knock off clefable

olive stag
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Moon blast as well since it's weak to fairy too

olive stag
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And a bit of lack of knock off

tender coral
#

clear smog Gastrodon should be able to PP stall CM Clef though

olive stag
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I tried swapping in torn for the knock off but it hasn't been good to me. I'll go back to Zapdos and switch in Gastro

tender coral
proper kite
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I’m probably gonna swap it out for a corviknight or something

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That’ll be a flying type and hazard removal

tribal smelt
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What direction do you want

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Like what are the mons you want to keep

proper kite
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I find myself using pex and rillaboom a lot

tribal smelt
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Feels like you could use another team if so

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Gives you some better grasp of the tier running something you like

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Instead of trying to make it on your own

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RillaVileTran + PexTorn + Spdef Chomp is a good start

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Its going to be hard to justify a team save here though

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I'd run something like this then ask questions in SS cord or in other servers how X Y Z functions

proper kite
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Funny enough I’ve used weavile and garchomp before a lot

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I don’t think I was using them that well though lol

tribal smelt
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There's no shame in using known team structures to learn better building imo

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RillaPexTornT + Weavile + Heatran ensures you can call hard losses for stall really easy

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There's three fundamentals I can tell you though

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Knock Ground Rocks is how you make a good base team

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Don't not run knock off in SS

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It is often a massive negative to do so

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Don't not run a ground type

proper kite
tribal smelt
#

Yes

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And you need stealth rock or else the regenerator users in the tier aren't even beginning to be dented

tender coral
tribal smelt
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This team needs pex to scald their heatran twice imo

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but yh

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Knock off -> tspikes is more intuitive

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I'll make that change

tender coral
tribal smelt
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The "greed" youre allowed here is torn T to knock it then dipping immediately

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But it still stings

tribal smelt
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Rilla sets grassy terrain for the Heatran which heatran likes

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Makes heatran become infuriatingly difficult to kill

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Torn T removes items and hurricanes and u-turns for good pivoting

proper kite
#

Knock over t spikes on pex?

tender coral
tribal smelt
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No bulky SD here

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You need the damage

tender coral
proper kite
#

Any important strategy for the team?

tribal smelt
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Lead pex on lele and click knock off

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Don't let heatran get knocked off

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Garchomp is fine vs heatran but isn't the proprietary retort

proper kite
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Pex kinda just feels like disruption

tribal smelt
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And toxic needs to go off pronto on their Lando

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Or birds

hasty ingot
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Where the team at

tribal smelt
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Team here

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Sec

tender coral
#

I'm tempted to go for toxic/knock/haze on Pex

tribal smelt
#

Here

tribal smelt
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I like scald burns with Rilla + Torn T

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ensures Weavile gets some more disgusting entries

hasty ingot
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If you're gonna run balloon zone you should do magnet rise > toxic

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Because you just get to +6 def and body pressing the lando is better than toxicing

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It also means lando doesn't always revenge

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So your opp may go for something more committal like dragapult or not consistent like heat wave

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Gives zone better odds to provide value beyond trapping

hasty ingot
olive stag
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The best is when their Heatran misses a magma storm LETSGO

tribal smelt
hasty ingot
tribal smelt
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I hate giving Lele Corv Hippo-y teams

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entries

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They are very scary

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And very annoying to kill

proper kite
tribal smelt
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Torn T forms a regenerator core

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And is not passive

hasty ingot
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@tribal smelt I'm disappointed in you

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Your chomp EVs are wrong 😦

tribal smelt
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Are they? I usually just hard careful

hasty ingot
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Nah you should do that

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But you need speed for jolly ttar

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Which is like 16 speed or smth

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Whatever 244 is

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Take it out of HP

tribal smelt
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Oh yh, or else they just mash crunch through your lineup

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good point

hasty ingot
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Yeh if you run into that one triple choice sand team

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That's a tough run

proper kite
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When should I go into something like Weavile? I used to use it a lot but it could barely take a single hit

hasty ingot
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Or if you need to tank a shadow ball and you have no other option

proper kite
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And why heatran? Ik he’s good, I’m just asking to learn about the utilities of the members

tribal smelt
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Heatran is your proprietary thing to toss into pult after going Pex and also hard traps Blissey

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And since grassy terrain is going to be up a lot your Heatran only takes 2x damage from EQs

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Makes it very hard to kill

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Heatran also puts pressure on Corviknight

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And is a very good mon

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Because of its ability to just suddenly heal back up throughout a game after a bad trade due to how much it comes in on

olive stag
#

Is Heatran+Gastro or Spdef Chomp+ Gastro a better pair?

hasty ingot
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Gastro offers the team nothing

olive stag
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It's a check for Nidoking and volcanion is my understanding

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Without I just insta lose or rely hard on Spdef bro

proper kite
#

Usually, what should I lead with? I figure garchomp since it can set up rocks
When I go into rilla and weavile, should I always set up, or should I try to attack if the opponent is weak?
Without t spikes, what can pex do besides disrupt the opponent?
I never thought I’d see a stall garchomp. What’s its main goal?
Torn looks like it’s mainly here for utility. When should I go into it?
I used to play rilla with Drain punch over superpower to give it more longevity, is that still alright?

solid cradle
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you just kinda go off vibes and figure it out. often its garchomp but if say weavile beats what you think theyll lead you lead that. or if you think torn beats most of their team and the one it doesnt beat it just uturns out of easily, then you lead torn righta

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and so on and so forth its complicated and a whole skill onto itself

olive stag
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A torn lead is nice too for early knock offs

solid cradle
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  1. depends on the board state. often just getting a free knock to wear something down over time is super important. however generally i wouldnt advise trying to set up immediately if you arent in a position where you just win, rather trying to double switch to abuse whatever comes in or getting a knock or predicting w coverage
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  1. its bulky it takes hits thats good. you knock stuff which is super important whether it be lefties/boots/other stuff
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scald also good move

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haze helps to deal w setup stuff

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  1. tank chomp is basically look we have this big bulky ground type that gets hella recovery w rilla + protect + lefties. it also has a great typing to deal w heatran naturally which is the main reason its here
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  1. if you want to defog/when you need to bring it in to answer smth like rilla/to try to knock something like say a clef or a pex are some instances where you might want to but again this is big It Depends time
  2. you can do that superpower gives more power which is fairly important and i think its noticeably better but like drain punch isnt absurd
olive stag
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Protect also scouts choice locked moves and weird sets/coverage moves

solid cradle
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yea theres incidental utility to protect

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stalling toxic/burn turns, stalling weather turns, etc

olive stag
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Use it enough then you can get a free eq on what they think will be a free switch on your protect

solid cradle
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meh thats like a thing you can do but i wouldnt rely or deliberately aim and plan to do that

olive stag
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It's a good switch up to keep in your pocket type thing

solid cradle
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its a thing you can legally do and be aware of but i wouldnt go more than that

olive stag
#

Ye

calm spade
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mossy plinth
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Torkoal not found

calm spade
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do i need him for venu to work

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wait

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toroakal doesnt get drought in gen 6

rancid pike
karmic geyserBOT
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leaden fiber
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not great

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this is a spikes team that loses to spikes

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very hard

#

considering five of ur team lets spikes up

rancid pike
#

I completely forgot to add a rapid spin mon

leaden fiber
#

its just kind of random

#

for example

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cb salamence without skarm lures is not good

rancid pike
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Could any strong physical mon with explosion work

tender coral
tender coral
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someone used your Mienshao set to win a match in the SS OU Seasonal uwu

peak canyon
peak canyon
toxic gulch
tender coral
torpid forge
karmic geyserBOT
#

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flint ridge
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This a sample bro

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It’s good

torpid forge
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ik just wanted to know if its viable

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currently

flint ridge
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It is

torpid forge
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ok thx

naive stump
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U have some other variation

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Like one with ferro + ashgren

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But this version is fine

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U will prob have issue to break

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Fat core like chansey + bro tho

flint ridge
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It’s playable with sd lando

naive stump
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Or, in general, fat psychic + volcarona check

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Oh, def

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Lando can go a long way if you manage to correctly pull the trigger

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Also

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Medi can freeze most of its check

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I will just mention some of the most obvious weakness

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Since it's a volt turn offense

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So the fire resist is kinda lacking and any volcarona is hella scary

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Any kart require a bit of outplaying, but it's not at all the worst to handle

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Ditto copying ur own medi is scary as fuck tho lol

torpid forge
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Yeah almost the same team

naive stump
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Well

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It's really the volt turn offense in sm for the beginner kek

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U have ton of variation of that kind of playstyle

polar nacelle
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the easiest way to make your team more viable is to replace gengar with magneton

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then swap the roles on blissey and celebi

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have celebi be defensive and let blissey be CM

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then it would make it easier to deal with CMers

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which your team is especially weak to

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with these modifications aero would be ideal over mence but if u wanna use cbmence, its ok

granite skiff
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @naive stump, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

toxic gulch
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If i were to build a team using, dual screen serperior and a volcarona and belly drum Azumarill core, what's the other three pokemon i best use to fill the rest?
Also it's for ORAS OU

naive stump
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I dont have a lot to correct

tropic schooner
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One thing ill say is

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Explosion on mage for volc safety

naive stump
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I think it's fine like

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U could go double prio

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But u have vic scarf + fake out lop

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So, it's not that bad

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Only volc that screw him badly is iapapa berry

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I dont exactly like iron head on mag tho

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Esp without the speed

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And, imo, most CM clef will invest a bit of speed anw

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In fact

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Ice beam on mag looks way too valuable to not run it here

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I also like frustation/return on kartana band

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Helps against zardy and zapdos

tropic schooner
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Can be giga impact kart to just ohko zardy and volcarona

naive stump
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Eh

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It's a bit too specific

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At least frustration is a decent midground

tropic schooner
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I mean smart strike is pmuch never getting clicked giga is still better

toxic gulch
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First time ever building a double team. Kinda gimmicky with the tailwind Tyrantrum. But then again, seems like nobody playing ORAS double nowadays anyway
https://pokepast.es/fffe6e8f5146458e

karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

topaz sentinel
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https://pokepast.es/57ac79f4ace14a9b gen 4 ou, sorry been spamming a lot of dpp teams lately, just trying multiple out, this team has gotten me almost to 1600, but not sure if there could be some tweeks to gengar's moveset/item even if the extra damage is nice, idk if i could implement protect/leftovers rachi here somewhere over idk gyarados or something