I dont think.i have
#Old Gens OU
calm spade
cobalt vigil
Try those samples first. Using these is most efficient way to gain quick experience with the tier
calm spade
https://pokepast.es/d6c84a4d4efdf69a this the team
Js ice beam > dpulse for an easier glis mu
cobalt vigil
This one is better, you can try RestTalk Rotom instead of scarf and Stealth Rock -> Roar on Hippo
and put Bronzong as the lead
calm spade
Alr thx
cobalt vigil
dpulse is okay, you have numerous options vs gliscor
vivid kraken
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upper plume
Ok so
It's generally accepted that every successful rain team must contain Politoed, Ferrothorn, Tentacruel, and Latios
You can add Scizor to that, but it must be Choice Scarf
For your last slot, I wouldn't use any of the four Pokemon you've already chosen
Swampert, let alone CB Pert, isn't viable
Forretress is fringe at best, and doesn't fit on rain
Dragonite's set is also fringe, so Idt it should be on the team as is
And Magnezone doesn't support your team well
Your last can be a variety of Pokemon
The most common (and arguably broken) of these is Thundurus-T or Keldeo
cobalt vigil
What do i have for glis
Clef knocking it goes a long way. Bronzong is basically immune to ice fang versions. You can go back and forth between clef and bronzong to waste EQ/Ice Fang PPs. If hippo still has leftovers then it can hold its ground. Latias forces it to spam roost.
violet mulch
https://pokepast.es/4974ab6d0cbe69fc
How's this look for SM OU? Supposed to be a UU team but I'm trying my hand at using it in OU.
tawdry wraith
Stole one of those teams, but it charged it up a bit
https://pokepast.es/b27dc32f526c8894
I don't really like kyurem though, any other who could replace him?
I use garchomp as a physical dragon sweeper
gritty scaffold
I don't really like kyurem though, any other who could replace him?
You could use sub thundurus here i think over kyub then
tawdry wraith
I use the Brick break to counter blissey and ferrothorn, since I struggled with them
Or is there any other way to counter them
gritty scaffold
Your chomp already does good dmg
With eq on ferrk
And blissey
Blissey is also rare
tawdry wraith
So brick break is useless?
gritty scaffold
Yes
tawdry wraith
Is it a good idea to switch kyub with espeon?? Heal bell and magic bounce since I struggle a lot with status conditions
gritty scaffold
Espeon isnt viable
But if u see one
Just gyro ball with ferro
Or idk use mie to kill it or poli
tawdry wraith
Espeon isnt viable
Why isn't she viable?
gritty scaffold
Too frail + xatu outclass as magic bouncer
tawdry wraith
Why is she classed OU if she is not viable, sorry im very new to competitive
gusty jungle
Why is she classed OU if she is not viable, sorry im very new to competitive
people used it enough in OU back then despite being a noob trap, so it sadly did not fall to OU
gritty scaffold
Why is she classed OU if she is not viable, sorry im very new to competitive
old gens dont get updated regarding tiering
wild current
https://pokepast.es/304ed353ed2e5307
gen 7 ou
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granite latch
https://pokepast.es/07363d44a7cc4f9e gen 7 ou
inner mist
Why is she classed OU if she is not viable, sorry im very new to competitive
Cuz it was during a time before Xatu was discovered.
At the time Espeon was used a lot due to Baton Pass
inner mist
Stole one of those teams, but it charged it up a bit
https://pokepast.es/b27dc32...
This is actually pretty decent
I would recommend having Rocks on Chomp to give Ferro some flexibility though
I would also change up your Chomp set
small bridge
leaden fiber
https://pokepast.es/07363d44a7cc4f9e gen 7 ou
Tbh, use any other scarfer, hydro > surf gren, arguably make it like sd z outrage chomp with rocks lead and berry rotom
calm spade
https://pokepast.es/bfa67e1212394815 Gen 5 OU
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calm spade
i feel like this team is way to passive and cant break through sand
calm spade
wless?
fickle tulip
waterless is not what it is, that was a typo
upper plume
colbur latios doesn't work on those
because the point of colbur berry latios is to force tyranitar to take spikes damage
but dragmag doesn't fit spikes on them
you either want specs latios or scarf latios on these teams
calm spade
i think ill go specs latios
upper plume
you also want u-turn and thunder on jirachi
calm spade
what do i replace thundy for
upper plume
this lets jirachi pivot in dragons and pressure rain, respectively
so um
for your magnezone set
karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
I want you to scroll down to the "Substitute + Charge Beam" set
and read "Team Options"
calm spade
ah
upper plume
yeah
calm spade
thats a mb on my part tbh
upper plume
jirachi should just be the standard icy wind set if you're running air balloon zone
kyurem-b is fine
your last can either be a dragonite or a garchomp to break open defensive teams
or a cloyster I guess
but I wouldn't go cloyster + kyurem-b because that's two ice types in a tier with keldeo
calm spade
i feel like sunny day would have anti synergy with the rest of the team
upper plume
sunny day is for rain teams
if you don't want to do that, you can go with the chople berry set
which I find quite good
calm spade
what would zone replace for sunny day
upper plume
If ur not running Sunny Zone then you'd be running a different set
heck I've run sunny zone on chople berry sets
because removing rain can be that useful
karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
you should use icy wind
lets you catch lando and garchomp switches
I wonder if healing wish could be used over thunder
calm spade
what could the last mon be
upper plume
Again, Garchomp or Nite are really solid
calm spade
ill go chomp
upper plume
Sure
Other than that you have good pieces
Latios + Starmie are fine for rain
Cloyster can also work since it also is really good for offense teams
calm spade
alr thx
inner mist
Honestly I think Thundy sticks out too much
I do have two Scarf KyuB teams you can use
upper plume
yeah I told them that thundy doesn't work on DragMag
inner mist
Oh right sorry for saying stuff that has already been said
I tend not to really look at comments whenever I get pinged lol
upper plume
yeah if I see that the rate has already been taken care of I try and keep my comments brief
inner mist
Personally if I run Scarf KyuB I usually prefer to have priority on the back since Speed Control becomes kind of hard
upper plume
Like Mamoswine!
inner mist
It's funny how it's called DMag since it only has 2 Dragons
upper plume
DragMag only really needs the Drag and the Mag
inner mist
Yeah
inner mist
Huh I remember actually helping you once
upper plume
yes
upper plume
you could reasonably go 4 attacks so that you smack rotom-w on the switch
alternatively you could go with energy ball jirachi and then substitute mamoswine
calm spade
what does rachi drop for eball
upper plume
thunder
calm spade
https://pokepast.es/cc061c1eda4c88bd i got this rn
inner mist
Yeah
Sunny Day + Magnet Rise Zone is super outdated
It's usually used if you want to get rid of Drill but
Nowadays it's just setup fodder for Reun and Volc
Like you maybe could make an argument for Sunny Day for Rain teams but
Magnet Rise is not worth it IMO
upper plume
I've run Twave Sunny Day Chople Zone
inner mist
I mean it's at least better than Magnet Rise lol
upper plume
yeah
inner mist
Though Volc running Lum could cause problems for it
But I mean idk what other options you have
upper plume
yeah you would probably make kyurem b not scarf if you want to solidify against volc
inner mist
Or just replace Kyub with Nite
It get it kind of defeats the purpose of the team but Scarf Kyub doesn't really synergize here
Like it’s a mon that is either paired with priority users
Or in Hail
It’s actually a really good Scarfer under Hail and synergizes with Bulldoze Aboma
vale lagoon
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violet mulch
https://pokepast.es/5ef0b6d2b192144d
g7 UU/OU
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upper plume
Is this for UU or is it for OU?
long ginkgo
This is not OU viable sadly
upper plume
I should really write that guide on how to get experience in older generation lower tiers
long ginkgo
That actually would be extremely helpful
upper plume
It's basically this
violet mulch
Is this for UU or is it for OU?
for UU, trying to play in OU
UU post is down, can't get rates
upper plume
for UU, trying to play in OU
if you want to get a sm uu team looked at I'd recommend you go to either the sm discord or the uu discord
karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
this link will take you to both
violet mulch
thxsm!!
calm spade
https://pokepast.es/ff337640390d7045 Gen 4 OU
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untold oak
https://pokepast.es/ba878942946b1f20 gen 5 ou
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gritty scaffold
dont run aqua jet on this keld
long ginkgo
geez do we actually have that many bw raters
long ginkgo
ok yeah hthis entire team is keldeo bait
untold oak
What should I replace keldeo with?
gritty scaffold
scarf exca 6-0 this ngl LMAO
gritty scaffold
What should I replace keldeo with?
latios
long ginkgo
something that cheks keld
untold oak
Rotom wash takes care of keldeo
gritty scaffold
Rotom wash takes care of keldeo
not really
untold oak
How should I change wash then?
gritty scaffold
you dont have a good keld switch lol
gritty scaffold
How should I change wash then?
maybe change the spa evs into defense
id suggest reading the analysis
so you can ev the mons on the right way https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/rotom-wash/
untold oak
Wait but isn't keldeo a sp atker?
upper plume
Rotom wash takes care of keldeo
252 SpA Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rotom-Wash: 130-154 (42.7 - 50.6%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
long ginkgo
i think i would rather be lum on the chomp over salac btw
upper plume
Anyway yeah I'll leave you two to it
gritty scaffold
252 SpA Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rotom-Wash: 130-154 (42.7 - 50.6%...
not even specs
untold oak
i think i would rather be lum on the chomp over salac btw
Why lum? I thought if my garchomp is fast enough, which it usually is, I can get off a substitute before any toxic/burns
long ginkgo
it does
gritty scaffold
and use rocks over sub
untold oak
Ok
long ginkgo
but lum just seems better here
untold oak
But if my garchomp is an attacker, isn't rocks a waste of a slot?
gritty scaffold
no?
stealth rock is a great move
all stealth rock mons in bw arent passive
also you should prob run rock slide over thunder punch on ttar to check volca
and super power over eq
and use more spdef evs so that ttar can check stuff thats meant to do
untold oak
Oh yeah I keep forgetting to put rock slide on my ttar lol
Oh also this sounds stupid but I put thunder punch on ttar to check keldeo
untold oak
And keldeo is on my team to check volc
untold oak
I don't understand
gritty scaffold
outside of rain
long ginkgo
Oh also this sounds stupid but I put thunder punch on ttar to check keldeo
me when sword
untold oak
I gave chople berry
gritty scaffold
prob even surf
vale lagoon
https://pokepast.es/0399c154b12a98c8 gen7ou
https://pokepast.es/333d827a5dd68b2f updated gen7ou team
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long ginkgo
that too
gritty scaffold
I gave chople berry
chople isnt making ur ttar take hits more easier
long ginkgo
ttar as a keld check is just a fucking joke
gritty scaffold
is just to take focus from stuff like thundy-t , alakzam , reuniclus
long ginkgo
add like a ferro or something ig
untold oak
So then who can I use to check keldeo and volc?
upper plume
And keldeo is on my team to check volc
Keldeo can fit on Sand teams to check Volc
gritty scaffold
So then who can I use to check keldeo and volc?
latios
gritty scaffold
Keldeo can fit on Sand teams to check Volc
yea but cant be scarf lol. i like lefties 4 atks
upper plume
The problem is that you are vulnerable to Keldeo and Thundurus T if you don't use Latios
gritty scaffold
i still dont find keld as check to volc
unless it dindt set up
but at that point chomp is a check to volc aswell lol
untold oak
Wait which is better latios or latias?
gritty scaffold
latios
untold oak
Wait wouldn't quiver dance volc completely wreck latios?
gritty scaffold
well latios isnt a volca if it sets up already check unless is scarf but scarf usually demands spikes
best way to check volca is keep rocks up , let your scarf try deal with it or dont let it set up
naive stump
https://pokepast.es/333d827a5dd68b2f updated gen7ou team
Mawile + Chomp + Ash gren is always a good core
I just find the backbone a bit lacking
I dont like torn in offense atm since it fails to check anything relevant
Since rocks + any breaker such as medi or kart beat it pretty quickly
With this kind of core, the more u go all the way, the better it is
upper plume
I'm ngl idk if I like Lorb Zor on sand teams
naive stump
Considering u core, I think the best squad abusing those 3 is prob what u can already see with bengay offense on sample thread
upper plume
Even if it were SD Bug Bullet Super
naive stump
U can basically toy every set on the team
upper plume
Cuz it + Mag are kneecapping your matchup into Grounds and Volc
naive stump
And, in fact, be able to customize the set for what u want is one of the strongest asset of this team
With the addition of vic band in the mix (natural bulk + typing + v-create), u create a natural core of breaker able to softcheck a bunch of natural offensive killer such as Weavile or Lele
Lando scarf + ferro is not exactly a strong backbone but its fine enough since u care more about the momentum rather than spreading ur defensive pivot
Also, not to say, u dont exactly want to click defog in this kind of configuration since ur suppose to either break, pivoting to keep momentum or convert dead turn into value with the hazards stacks from ferro + gren
vale lagoon
Also, not to say, u dont exactly want to click defog in this kind of configurati...
Ahh alrighty then
I’ve never used a team like this so I’ve definitely gotta get used to it lol
But the customizability is something I do like
Thanks for the help!
naive stump
Np
vale lagoon
Lando scarf + ferro is not exactly a strong backbone but its fine enough since u...
Quick question, what is the purpose of Landorus-T’s EV spread?
I noticed it goes for 220 speed, and was curious on who Landorus-T would be outspeeding with the increased speed from 208
I was also wondering if maybe 80 HP / 148 Atk / 84 Def / 196 Spe could work as well since Landorus-T is supposed to be playing a more defensive backbone
naive stump
I noticed it goes for 220 speed, and was curious on who Landorus-T would be outs...
220 speed is for ada charizard-x at +1
I think the speed matter a lot on landorus
On paper, ur lando does not check that much stuff
Since between vic, ferro or even maw; normally, u have ways to help lando and reduce to offensive pressure it will faced
vivid kraken
vale lagoon
220 speed is for ada charizard-x at +1
Ahh alrighty
vale lagoon
https://pokepast.es/836fea5a0a5fac31 sm ou
Personally, I’d go Ferrothorn over Kommo-O and Toxapex over Starmie
Also, for trapper Magnezone go thunderbolt over t-wave
Latias can always run t-wave
vast oracle
scarf zone w twave is fine
vivid kraken
thats a latios not latias
vivid kraken
Personally, I’d go Ferrothorn over Kommo-O and Toxapex over Starmie
are u sure because this is already super mmedi weak
starmie has evs to outspeed it
thinking of it now i could always use reuinclus
naive stump
U have clef and u can tect dmeteor on tios to RK medi
vale lagoon
thats a latios not latias
Oop my bad
vivid kraken
zone latios core might just be ass
vivid kraken
yeah
naive stump
But need to rework a lot the structure
naive stump
It's not hard to find good fat lol
naive stump
Yh, I dont like them that much
But some of them are solid
For example this one
Basically one of the best team featuring clef tran ferro core atm
Gliscor over lando works if you want to make it fatter
But since ferro tran is not particulary effective at playing the long term
Lando is a fair pick here
Trading longevity for momentum
naive stump
I dont like it
This is only my personal opinion ofc
But I dont like at all lopunny in the current meta
Imo, u need to pair it with stellat breaker that completly crush fat and stall
Otherwise, u straight up can't make any progress
vivid kraken
yeah i made that trying to prep for ho spammer
naive stump
Another poke I dislike here is celesteela
It's not a bad poke
But the best and only niche for it imo is on sand
Well
vivid kraken
ic
naive stump
Loading lop into HO is not a bad idea
Issue is that it's hard to build a good overall lop six
vivid kraken
alr ic
naive stump
Well
If u want to prep for HO
First of all
U need to look at what HO u want to beat
Because
There's prepping for both
Abr dual fire and fairy spam
Is a very weird concept lol
And it only become even weirder if also try to add xtrashine or psyspam HO in the mix
vivid kraken
xtrashine is probably the most spammed
naive stump
Usually, I do think most stall are good into HO
vivid kraken
so ig that
naive stump
Yh
Then xtrashine has ton of issue
That dont require the hardest prep
Scizor SD is good
Any fire
Also, if u really want to mess up with HO
TR always exist
vivid kraken
ig i should just leave making teams to the pros
because its like everythings already been made
naive stump
I mean
vivid kraken
TR always exist
lol
vivid kraken
yeah
nothing really to be built
u just pick a team that u think is good into someone
naive stump
So most strongest and obvious idea already get their share of experimentation
Nah
There's stuff to do
A lot actually
naive stump
Yh
It's just that
If u playing something like spl
U tend to believe the meta
And trust what's good and reliable
Like
SD glis is very common
But the poke is so good that the meta will never be hostile to it
vivid kraken
so ur best bet is to bring something thats just good vs someone
naive stump
I mean
vivid kraken
and to trust that its good so itll payoff
naive stump
U need to think about ur strenght in general
If ur ingame is amoong the best, u dont need to tryhard the prep
Since having an even MU is already enough
Since ur ingame is already better
vivid kraken
ic
naive stump
But if u think that ur ingame can't carry u
Then u try to prep
To get the best MU as possible
And avoiding the factor of ingame
So, obviously, most of the time, ur prep will be a bit lazy
Since it can just come to just
What's look good into ur oppo
And I think most manager will respect this mentality
Pick what's good, u skilled with it and that got the MU into ur oppo
vivid kraken
will try to prep my next game
naive stump
Sm is still
Far from being solved
Having fresh ideas is way harder ofc
And it's even harder to fit them into a solid six
vivid kraken
yeah but it sometimes gets treated as a solved one for some reason
naive stump
It's kinda true
In the big lines
We prob already grasp the strongest stuff out of the tier
But there's still some optimizations to do here and there
vivid kraken
ic
naive stump
Like
Let's say cresselia
Shit was only used on one very cheesy HO
But u got player such as Skypenguin
That put a lot of trust into this poke for very relevant reasons
And there's a lot of poke
Where the potential exist but zero good player actually properly test the poke
flint ridge
Shit was only used on one very cheesy HO
Damn u back bro?
naive stump
Damn u back bro?
I never really leave that shit game lmao
flint ridge
😂
inner mist
https://pokepast.es/ba878942946b1f20 gen 5 ou
Ok these guys kind of already beat me to it but
What are you building around with this team?
Cuz just like last time you are just lumping mons together without any thought put into it
Speaking of
I want to recommend something like this but I am not quite sure if this is refined enough
Anyone have some advice on this?
Like this is kind of rough into Drill as it was made during a time where Drill was banned
Like SD Chomp Sand is kind of hard to build but this is the best I could build
And one that at least doesn't devolve into me just building a really boring team
Or just replaces Chomp altogether with another Ground
agile saffron
sup guys! bw team i can give my suggestion
omg i becoming rater now!
glad to contribute to rmt!
fickle tulip
gz
calm spade
https://pokepast.es/ff337640390d7045 Gen 4 OU
https://pokepast.es/53be613deba4fc2e updated team Gen 4 OU
karmic geyserBOT
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cobalt vigil
https://pokepast.es/53be613deba4fc2e updated team Gen 4 OU
Trick on Rotom helps Empoleon setting up on a choice lock due to it numerous resistances. Heatran does not need two Fire moves, you can run Taunt for example. You are not making full use of Azelf's ability to prevent Stealth Rock so a solution can be Empoleon -> CB Gyara, granting you a better pivoting ability throughout the game. You can also drop Leftovers on Heatran for a Berry. Chople DDtar like Fire Punch to kill Breloom after it tanks Mach Punch. Your team also lacks a proper ground switch in and (flexible) Speed Control. Double setup can be awkward as it limits your ability to pivot significantly.
As far as EVs go you may drop Azelf HP Evs for Attack investment, put SpeA on Heatran and invest 8 HP EVs on your Dragon Dance Tyranitar.
Perhaps something like this: https://pokepast.es/dcb3cdb935f2b786 or this https://pokepast.es/0adf498342fddb02
untold oak
What are you building around with this team?
garchomp latios and magnezone
upper plume
If you wanted to build around those 3 then build dragmag
Don't try and fit them into a sand core
inner mist
If you really want to run DMag a structure I would recommend would be
Rachi KyuB Latios Nite Zone Cloy/Mie
If you want Chomp then
Rachi Chomp Latios Nite Zone Cloy/Mie also works
Latios + Nite is honestly a pretty underrated core
upper plume
what is your current team again?
inner mist
Who are you asking?
upper plume
GrandGarchomp
inner mist
Oh
untold oak
what is your current team again?
I played my friend in the custom game format against his gen 9 team with this one and beat him thrice in a row
upper plume
wait so are you building this team for gen 5 or gen 9?
untold oak
Gen 5 but my friend just wanted to see how he would fare against it
inner mist
Ok but this is Gen 5 we are talking about
Ngl I feel like we are going in circles here
If you are convinced this team is good then there really isn’t any reason for you to be asking us for help.
Just test the team and let us know if you have any other issues.
upper plume
Good luck against Volc
inner mist
You said that you wanted to build a team around Garchomp, correct?
I am trying to work backwards, that way I can help you better
untold oak
I tried stealth rocks
It just wasn't working out
I lead with garchomp set up rocks, but garchomp always takes a big hit before I can switch him out
inner mist
You need Stealth rock
There is no if’s, ands, or buts
No SR = Your team is bad
If you don’t know what you are doing at this point just use the samples.
And in that case Chomp is usually used as an SR Lead anyways so it fainting early is part of the interaction.
If you want a SR setter with staying power you use Landorus-T
calm spade
https://pokepast.es/2e0ebbe11d60e54d Gen 3 OU
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calm spade
hariyama is so underrateed
previous drafts of gthis team i had swamp > clay but i kept running into a shit ton of celebis and i felt like didnt have a reliable answer to it
and also hp bug > hp ghost on hariyama
upper plume
https://pokepast.es/96802be424580333
Gen 4 OU, I wanted to build some sort of offensive team with subsplit gengar but I felt too weak into gengar in particular
https://pokepast.es/96e4f0529e786008
I also have this version that forgoes subsplit gar for a regular gar and goes with an offensive suicune as my last
um
w/e
topaz sentinel
https://pokepast.es/043427af5e3115a4 Gen 4 ou
karmic geyserBOT
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cobalt vigil
https://pokepast.es/043427af5e3115a4 Gen 4 ou
I've rated this before; core issues are the same
cobalt vigil
https://pokepast.es/96802be424580333
Gen 4 OU, I wanted to build some sort of of...
You need a bulky Steel type to absorb Draco Meteor, therefore I propose to replace Swampert for a Stealth Rock Jirachi. Lum Berry on lead Dragonite isn't useful because of how uncommon Sleep leads have become, put a Life Orb or use a Dragon Dance Yache Berry set instead.
Life Orb Gengar isn't too popular as it fails to kill the numerous defensive steel types. Black Sludge Will O Wisp Gengar actually threatens those, hence why it is the current standard set.
Now that Swampert is gone you don't need a sleep absorber anymore. You can opt for a Draco Meteor - Surf - Healing Wish/Tbolt - Trick set instead
Regarding the spreads: The og dnite lead spread is outsped by 236s and 219s so I'd recommend dropping the - Speed nature for a Naive one and cutting into Attack.
A Modest nature on Latias with 8 HP / 220 def / 152 SpeA / 128 Spe achieves the same benchmarks but you get more stats.
Suicune is typically played Modest to threaten Clefable.
https://pokepast.es/257609f4e61cb7e7 You can try switching Dragonite for a different lead, Specs Heatran is an alternative for example.
polar nacelle
https://pokepast.es/2e0ebbe11d60e54d Gen 3 OU
hariyama teams are almost never perfect and u have to pick ur poison
usually in the form of being more weak to cmers or more weak to fighters
one thing u should do to help urself vs cmers is probably to use a blissey set that doesnt die to them
stoss
or cm
or even snatch
admittedly cm is a bit hard on this team
you also need to be stronger vs pert
when you make that change
may i say that generally if u replace either of hariyama, ttar, or skarm, u would still have a fine team
just do something so that u dont 0-6 to pert
u can use celebi, or milo
hope that helps
upper plume
You need a bulky Steel type to absorb Draco Meteor, therefore I propose to repla...
Whoops I forgot to change Lati's nature to Modest when choosing the bulky Specs spread
Also is the Gyara team or Suicune team better?
Finally why did you opt for Thunder on Jirachi instead of a move like Body Slam?
exotic agate
made this team based around some interesting stuff i saw on ruins of alph forums. biggest weakness is the lack of speed, but i feel like it has decent synergy based on (at least) what i read on the forums, and i really like it!
https://pokepast.es/e87374a9eb09618d
i have some replays of it in action if needed
upper plume
You need a bulky Steel type to absorb Draco Meteor, therefore I propose to repla...
could a variant of these teams but with agility empoleon > cune also work?
cobalt vigil
Also is the Gyara team or Suicune team better?
Don't play Gyarados without a Suicide Lead or Spin support. Thunder prevents Skarmory from laying down too many spikes and weakens Water-types. Agility empoleon is a late game sweeping threat and you will prefer Suicune's midgame utility here
upper plume
alright
can I go boom > taunt on gengar?
the team isn't too too weak to spikes
0 Atk Gengar Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 457-538 (64 - 75.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
oh nvm
cobalt vigil
Blissey isn't a very relevant threat in DPP it has like 3% usage. Taunt also prevents DDers and Twave mons from ruining you
Also Breloom
upper plume
I see
I'm just thinking boom could do similar things cuz I feel pretty safe against dders and breloom
cobalt vigil
Boom is usually worse than Taunt in practice
Unless you are playing a very offensive team/HO which doesn't mind Gengar dying in 2-5 turns
upper plume
I see
cobalt vigil
i have some replays of it in action if needed
Don't play Restalk Rotom outside of stall teams. You can replace it by a scarf variant. Bandtar struggles currently, you can try replacing it by Suicune
exotic agate
Don't play Restalk Rotom outside of stall teams. You can replace it by a scarf v...
i see
does scarf rotom have any better chances against loom?
also suicune prob deals way better against one of the bigger opp threats against my team, loom
could try also sui lead instead of lati lead
cobalt vigil
Breloom does not have many entries here. Lead Latias is fine
exotic agate
made another team, think lead lati is fine but i wanted to try what BKC did with lead metagross in this one particular laddering sesh, cuz it seemed very interesting.
https://pokepast.es/908901e9ed382449
topaz sentinel
https://pokepast.es/72ea9173ef94b9e5 gen 4 ou, ik u briefly mentioned gliscor over gyara, idk if i should have eq over bp for gross, hp electric pert is my safety net for gyara, scor has leftovers
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granite latch
https://pokepast.es/d66bb2bd9727d470 gen 7 ou
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naive stump
https://pokepast.es/d66bb2bd9727d470 gen 7 ou
I think the team is fine overall
I'm not a fan of lopunny in sm ou anymore, but here, this is a fine pick
(I can see zam > lop btw)
Only issue would be how I dont see this squad winning against stall or anything remotely bulky
I believe u should remove rotom-wash for something that got a natural good MU into those playstyle
Something like reuniclus could work
Then u can make ur clef spedef to make ur alakazam MU a bit better
Charizard-y is still a MU pretty ugly but I think u got the tools to beat most zard-y with lop + rocks + toxic tran + twave clef
granite latch
ic
naive stump
Also, if reu happen to not be enough, I like a lot the set encore + pup on lop
But since lop is ur main speed control, need to be sure to face the right MU obviously
Also, since u dont run rotom anymore, u can make the skarm defog or not run defog at all
But zero defog would make t-spikes very annoying
Usually, those kind of structure run zam or defog tias to patch this issue
But lop kinda work here, so no reason to pick another mega
granite latch
But lop kinda work here, so no reason to pick another mega
https://pokepast.es/2200fac87cc4c209 something like this?
I like run electrium reuni for celes but idk if psychium is better
naive stump
Raw encore is wild
Why not
Tbf
Reu beat celes regardless of the set
Only thing that reu want is a second move
To hit sableye at least
So thunder or energy ball works here
The main thing with z-psy is that u got some funny calc
Like kill glis at+1 with z-psy
naive stump
Yh
It's just a matter of testing
And ur preference as a player
As long the structure is fine
I believe any viable set works here
naive stump
Np
untold oak
i want to put charge beam on my magnezone for gen 5 ou
it has hp fire, tbolt, flash cannon, and substitute
what should i replace?
upper plume
tbolt
untold oak
Ah thx
agile saffron
hi thegrandgarchomp u wanna set ur magnezone charge beam in drac mag ?
this set makes magnezone could only trap ferrth
but once u can set up and make sure substitute stay, u can at least hit ferrth and one pm that come to check magnezone
fallow grail
Hey guys,
I made this gen 5 Sand team and wanted to get some Feedback on it. 😄
https://pokepast.es/b6dfa95a2c70e242
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gritty scaffold
First of all that reun should use psyshock over psychic
Change latias to latios scarf
Use adamant drill bc jolly isnt great most of time
Also change blissey to a jellicent
And id recommend add stealth rock to ttar. Maybe over super power
And id recommend careful nature on ttar
fallow grail
First of all that reun should use psyshock over psychic
Why latios and jellicent?
Cause i like latias bulk against keldeo very much so far
gritty scaffold
Latias is weak
And isnt good on more offensive sand builds
And jellycent is good to spin block and checks.keldeo among other stuff
inner mist
Hey guys,
I made this gen 5 Sand team and wanted to get some Feedback on it. 😄...
Ok this is actually one of the better newcomer teams I have seen no lie
Were you inspired by Peng’s RMT in any way?
Btw if you want to know why Clef was used in that spot over Blissey it’s cuz Magic Guard makes a huge difference in terms of outlasting opponents
Latias here is fine since this team would otherwise have issue with Keldeo
I wouldn’t deny that Blissey is an interesting option to patch holes against Volc
Also the team Peng had was Scarf Tar since you kind of already have Skarm + Reun for Zam cplay
It’s not perfect but it does ally for some speed control with how otherwise slow the other team would have been
upper plume
Wait I have a similar team to this
Yeah Scarf Tyranitar is a great Poke for supporting Blissey
Since it's able to trap Jellicent and open up Drill to more freely spin
upper plume
It’s not perfect but it does ally for some speed control with how otherwise slow...
Yeah my team had Zam > Reun for backup speed control
inner mist
Does Iron Barbs activate against Seismic Toss
upper plume
Yes
upper plume
Drill should also be more bulky imo since now it can take a stray Draco Meteor
Or Reun Focus Blast
And then you can make it an Adamant nature and you can pressure the Reun with Lorb STABs with Sand Force
inner mist
Like Blissey is better against Special Attacks but Special Attackers with Hazard Stack is a huge problem
Cuz then you are burning so many recover turns
Clef kind of has the opposite problem
Like it’s good against Hazard Stack but against strong Special Attackers it has to be careful not to get overwhelmed
upper plume
And then the issue in BW is that these two are paired with each other quite frequently
upper plume
Why latios and jellicent?
Jellicent also gives you an Ice resist, which gives you multiple avenues for handling Cloyster
inner mist
Jellicent isn’t bad here but fitting rocks becomes a lot more awkward
upper plume
They already have Sr bliss
inner mist
Honestly I don’t think the base team is even that bad
fallow grail
Were you inspired by Peng’s RMT in any way?
What is the Team? I cant say right now. I have looked at the sample teams, read what was is supposed to do and then put my own thoughts to it. Is his team among the sample teams?
fallow grail
Ok, yeah that looks very similar. I see, why you asked now
cobalt vigil
made another team, think lead lati is fine but i wanted to try what BKC did with...
Don't play Gyarados without a Suicide Lead or Spin support. If you put Modest Suicune instead and shuca on an Offensive version you may end up with something more workable. Just note that Metagross + Heatran follow up isn't a recommended early game path because Heatran doesn't switch into Metagross' poor matchups, which are mostly earthquake and tbolt users.
cobalt vigil
https://pokepast.es/72ea9173ef94b9e5 gen 4 ou, ik u briefly mentioned gliscor ov...
You have too many win conditions here and as a result you can't pivot. Jirachi can be a Shuca mixed set with Thunder instead.
Then you need speed control and the ability to pivot, but it depends what you want to do from here. Gliscor -> Scarf Latias (eventually tbolt less given the rest of your team) gives the most flexibility.
You should add speed to Swampert, at least to reach 181
There is a team similar to this in the sample teams, which I recommend to check out https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/
obtuse prawn
can anyone rmt? https://pokepast.es/1d395ab6d8fe4e32
naive stump
can anyone rmt? https://pokepast.es/1d395ab6d8fe4e32
This is quite the old stall
This kind of stall does not work too well in modern sm
Even if the baseline as a shed stall is coherent and alright
It's just that most stall that actually works tend to run some sort of speed control with immediate damage output
Or a slow winco to lets u outplay bad MU
I'm not exactly a stall player
But one of the best shed stall atm imo
Looks like this one
He got a few bad MU
Like sand keldeo
But, overall, the fact u run hydreigon defog let's u RK some stuff very hard to check otherwise even for hard stall
Such as CM lele, maw or manaphy
obtuse prawn
This is quite the old stall
yea im using gen 7
obtuse prawn
This kind of stall does not work too well in modern sm
oh
well it got me to 1630 or so but then i had a lose streak, mainly because of kartana sd spammers, i thought i would replace like pex with unaware clef
obtuse prawn
Such as CM lele, maw or manaphy
doesnt shedinja help for cm lele and manaphy?
obtuse prawn
Looks like this one
that looks pretty good yea
so double defog with hyd and skarm
can i see the pokepaste if possilbe
obtuse prawn
He got a few bad MU
whats MU and RK
sacred flume
https://pokepast.es/a1ae50800db1bb80 gen 6 ou
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naive stump
whats MU and RK
Match-Up and Revenge Kill
naive stump
doesnt shedinja help for cm lele and manaphy?
Depend since rain can tech either pursuit pelipper or toxic manaphy
Also CM lele usually run HP fire
naive stump
can i see the pokepaste if possilbe
Nah, it's a squad from a friend lol. It was just to give u an idea of what looks like modern stall imo
naive stump
oh
well it got me to 1630 or so but then i had a lose streak, mainly because of ...
Well, 1630 is not that relevant if u want to gauge if ur team is good or not
Like one of my friends run a stall with dragonite
And he reach over 1900 of elo with a gxe higher than 90%
obtuse prawn
And he reach over 1900 of elo with a gxe higher than 90%
damn
yea but i thought dragonites good no?
obtuse prawn
Match-Up and Revenge Kill
oh alr
obtuse prawn
Like sand keldeo
bro sand keldeo is like the rarest thing i've heard
obtuse prawn
Also CM lele usually run HP fire
true true that happens to me, thats why i used sash
obtuse prawn
Nah, it's a squad from a friend lol. It was just to give u an idea of what looks...
ah alright
any dump i can use which has multiple team pokepastes?
naive stump
yea but i thought dragonites good no?
Nah, I mean it's more that kind of result that prove when a good is truly good
naive stump
bro sand keldeo is like the rarest thing i've heard
Yh, lol, it was just one example I have in my head
obtuse prawn
Yh, lol, it was just one example I have in my head
lol
naive stump
any dump i can use which has multiple team pokepastes?
Check the samples thread for sm
Some basic stuff
obtuse prawn
ah
but like as of now
my team
can handle surprisingly most of the threats
except like hoopa
or kartana which spams sd
but skarm can handle that
naive stump
Eh
I think it's more a matter
That u didnt face that much player
That knows how to beat stall in general
obtuse prawn
true lol
obtuse prawn
i just get these unpredictable users
obtuse prawn
yeaa
im from then lol
started again
i didnt play for the past 2-3 years
i played when covid started
so i dont know anything about gen 8 or 9
naive stump
No worry lol
It's not like I can think of a lot of good sm stall
And
If I may be honest
I only have two that I consider as good
Most of the time
Stall are decent
Not bad but not good
obtuse prawn
yea
naive stump
And it's because sm is very hostile to hardstall in general
obtuse prawn
but its capable to bring u to high ladder
obtuse prawn
And it's because sm is very hostile to hardstall in general
yea
naive stump
but its capable to bring u to high ladder
Def lol
Like
That dragonite stall
Someone reach almost 2000 elo with a gxe of 94 on ladder lol
obtuse prawn
damn bruh
thats crazy
i've seen a few dragonites theyre way to fucking tanky with multiscale
obtuse prawn
ty
oh yea i played this team
i think i lost to it
cause of the clefable or something
obtuse prawn
lol
its all about ur opponents and how well u predic
like ngl i find higher elo players easier to predict
its these 1500-1650 that have unusual strategies and plays
naive stump
It depend
Like, at a certain point
I recognize what player is behind each alt
And it's not unusual to saw some good player at very high elo
obtuse prawn
yea
obtuse prawn
true
but i still dont get one thing
how is manaphy stopped
in that team u sent
like it just seems impossible to stop that shit
with z
naive stump
On the replay?
Hum
The thing is that dragonite
Is DD with ice punch + eq
Rain has no real way to really stop this set once he got enough boost
So usually this stall can actually turn around bad MU with this lethal hidden winco
Not to say
That u still have toad if mana is no eball and clef with unaware if mana waste its z-move
obtuse prawn
yea
mannn it'd be so good if i got this team
this guy retired from playing?
im guessing his clef is wish+protect
idk evs tho
obtuse prawn
ah
naive stump
And, ngl, this team was pretty much the shit dominating high ladder 2-3 months ago kek
obtuse prawn
yea alr
naive stump
Zaza the creator
naive stump
Into top 5
obtuse prawn
fucking annoying seismitoad
obtuse prawn
Oh
naive stump
Using really unoptimized ev spread
obtuse prawn
he still like up there toh
obtuse prawn
yh
naive stump
And norton also actually improve
obtuse prawn
Using really unoptimized ev spread
exactly thats why i dont wanna try out weird ev spreads
naive stump
I mean
obtuse prawn
And norton also actually improve
wait he used his own evs?
naive stump
Broken squad
obtuse prawn
damn
naive stump
And Norton is not a bad player as well
obtuse prawn
lyly fr
naive stump
The thing
With that squad
Is that norton using
Is 1800 elo with 90 gxe
An actual good player
Like Santu or Empo
Is 1964 with 94 gxe
naive stump
And most italian top players
Already get the squad anw
It's just a matter of time at this point lol
obtuse prawn
ah
naive stump
Ah
obtuse prawn
im surprised
naive stump
Nw
obtuse prawn
ah
u can try tho
i mean
it cant be much of a difference
anyways chansey sableye
we'll know
also clefable is mostly max def
naive stump
people still play gen7
Old gens are still popular after all
obtuse prawn
yea
naive stump
Also
obtuse prawn
we'll see how it goes
naive stump
Yh
naive stump
Like
naive stump
Took a lot of time
Before Norton stop to farm the ladder
Since the weakness of this team
Are still obvious
obtuse prawn
ah
obtuse prawn
i think i played u
obtuse prawn
So took us a bit of effort
yea takes a lot of pre planning wich u cant do
in regular games
excpet tourneys
obtuse prawn
I will not reveal my alts
alr alr
not for releasing it or anything i just felt like i played u lol
obtuse prawn
yea
naive stump
Like shiftry sun or maudino stall
naive stump
Yh
obtuse prawn
Like shiftry sun or maudino stall
lmfao shiftry sun
naive stump
Ladder is good for testing
obtuse prawn
ah
obtuse prawn
oh
naive stump
Sure lol
It's funny to talk about ladder lore
Anw
This is what I wanted to explain
obtuse prawn
yea
naive stump
Why I'm not a fan of ur stall
obtuse prawn
😭 alr lmao
yea
its pretty
old
i agree
i just made it from my favorite mons
in fact
i have a team of my own which was very successful for me
one sec
naive stump
Yh lol
Been a while I saw stall mola
I did have fun with some dumb mchomp mola stall once
And aggron mole stall is still somewhat usable nowadays with the right tech
obtuse prawn
yea i tried aggron mola too
but i felt aggron was too unreliable sometimes
like you have sableye which is literally what ur mega should be mostly
i also like scizor-m and venusaur-m
naive stump
Yh
Hard stall without msab is hard
Not a lot of mega fit stall anw
Msab, maggron, mscizor, mvenu, mbro, mlatias (?), maltaria, mchomp (?), ...
And that's all
naive stump
Oh, for sure