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cobalt vigil Nov 29, 2023, 3:37 PM

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Starmie has to go and Ttar has at least to change his set

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Suicune may go, Gengar has to change his set

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you can pm

topaz sentinel Nov 29, 2023, 3:47 PM

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cobalt vigil you can pm

k i sent it

woeful pumice Nov 29, 2023, 4:48 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1804d65d97b8f975 adv

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woeful pumice Nov 29, 2023, 4:48 PM

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prefer not to remove zapdos set : D

upper plume Nov 29, 2023, 4:56 PM

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hi woopre

woeful pumice Nov 29, 2023, 4:56 PM

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hi

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ive returned to mons and i dont know if this team i made like ages ago is good or not

upper plume Nov 29, 2023, 6:57 PM

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idk much abt adv tbh

gritty scaffold Nov 29, 2023, 7:26 PM

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Looks a bit weak into aero but i might be wrong tho. Ik swampert checks but still feels like a rough mu (keep in mind im also not a rater of adv)

thin aurora Nov 29, 2023, 7:30 PM

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looking for any advice on sand gen 8 ou

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https://pokepast.es/97368986eb698b10

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willing to make any changes but would prefer to keep clef

gritty scaffold Nov 29, 2023, 7:33 PM

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I think u could change hippo for exca

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That chomp and koko looks a bit weird

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The set atleast

thin aurora Nov 29, 2023, 7:34 PM

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i put koko in there for rilla as it gets rid of terrain weaking earthquake and it has u-turn for hitting rilla as well

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kinda scuffed list but that's why I'm asking

gritty scaffold Nov 29, 2023, 7:37 PM

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Just add corvknight maybe then . Im not a ss ou rater though so i could be wrong on my tips

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@thin aurora oh wait dont post teams without mentioning the gen together on the same msg otherwise the RMT Dont get pinged

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You can post again like this
"Pokepaste [gen number] OU"

thin aurora Nov 29, 2023, 7:46 PM

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i see

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https://pokepast.es/46f2030f457c76e2 gen 8 OU

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thin aurora Nov 29, 2023, 7:49 PM

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looking for advice on this sand team I've been testing

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works well but any advice/help would be nice

upper plume Nov 29, 2023, 8:20 PM

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Feels like this gets walled by Ground types

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And you don't have long term answers into water types

hasty ingot Nov 29, 2023, 8:28 PM

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sand is good in SS

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But having two setters is unnecessary

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If you want to go for the bulkier type of sand teams, I'd suggest going with drill > zolt

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I like bulky rocks ttar with drill

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This lets you drop hippowdon for corviknight

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You can go further and make garchomp something more defensive like rotom-w which helps get drill in

polar nacelle Nov 29, 2023, 10:56 PM

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woeful pumice https://pokepast.es/1804d65d97b8f975 adv

This is pretty good, but youre a bit weak to cmers so i would probably give zapdos twave in the last slot or make molt timid, or make one of them ttar

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Also use roar on skarm as soundproof is banned

woeful pumice Nov 29, 2023, 10:59 PM

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oki, ill make molt timid i think

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molt is already timid actually

polar nacelle Nov 30, 2023, 1:06 PM

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woeful pumice molt is already timid actually

yeah ok. its not the perfect answer but it does something i guess

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another thing is u probably should use the spdef spe gengar evs

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168 HP / 164 SpD / 176 Spe

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one thing abt these teams is that they tend to be weak to toxic

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so wishbliss refpert is an alternative combo

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but it makes u even weaker to cmers

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thats the general issue with tarless teams anyway

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and same with curselax

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but ur not rly going to solve those by tweaking the team

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tribal smelt Nov 30, 2023, 6:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/55c456c7a49dad0b RBY OU

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tribal smelt Nov 30, 2023, 6:41 PM

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Been having a blast with this specific structure

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Tbolt on Bull is to eliminate the most annoying situation of freeze-> cloy bs

gritty scaffold Nov 30, 2023, 7:35 PM

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Im not rby RMT but this team looks quite weak to rhydon. i think you could mayb drop eq to blizz on tauros as eq is kinda uselss most of the time specially if u have a rhydon already. i might be wrong on this suggestion though

night bridge Nov 30, 2023, 7:43 PM

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tribal smelt Tbolt on Bull is to eliminate the most annoying situation of freeze-> cloy bs

i understand the choice but you can potentially pivot through jynx to stop freeze shit and i think you probably want EQ bull because the team has a huge gengar weakness if it’s psychic or the rare draingar

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also bolt toss is a weird choice, i’d consider loading counter instead because jynx mie don teams are amazingly lax weak

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either that or a classic boltbeam

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that said the team is fine and doesn’t really need changes outside of bolt toss being a pretty non-set

tribal smelt Nov 30, 2023, 7:47 PM

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I'll do boltbeam since I sincerely don't trust counter and swap in EQ on bull -> blizz

weak mirage Nov 30, 2023, 8:19 PM

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would run tail whip > rock slide to break through reflect lax (and dont need the support for cloy), ib over stoss on chansey, and eq over tbolt on bull (never run eq-less lax and bull)

granite latch Dec 1, 2023, 5:19 PM

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Gen 7 ou
https://pokepast.es/c333d8cba41bb84f

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topaz sentinel Dec 2, 2023, 2:13 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f68161872aea3ac0 gen 3 ou

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topaz sentinel Dec 2, 2023, 2:13 AM

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Maybe this team needs pert cuz I think I lose to dance tar

polar nacelle Dec 2, 2023, 4:12 AM

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Yeah you have too many sweepers

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Having some breakers would be nice

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Pert > meta

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Helps u pivot vs zap

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As well

sour geyser Dec 2, 2023, 12:47 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2677ce1082296289 Gen 3 OU

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polar nacelle Dec 3, 2023, 11:27 PM

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sour geyser https://pokepast.es/2677ce1082296289 Gen 3 OU

use roar on steelix so that skarm cant easily roar you out after you paralyze it with starmie

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that ttar set is not good

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either use a standard physical leftovers 4atk ttar or pursuit ttar with eq

topaz sentinel Dec 3, 2023, 11:49 PM

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polar nacelle Pert > meta

offensive pert or standard def pert sorry late reply

polar nacelle Dec 3, 2023, 11:54 PM

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protox pert maybe

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and use hp grass over fire punch or tbolt on gar

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u dont need both

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write "gen x" where x is the number together with ur pokepaste in the same message

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gleaming obsidian Dec 3, 2023, 11:56 PM

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Oh, thanks

topaz sentinel Dec 3, 2023, 11:56 PM

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polar nacelle protox pert maybe

so the standard defensive w hydro, prot, eq, beam?

polar nacelle Dec 3, 2023, 11:57 PM

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protect toxic

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surf refresh

gleaming obsidian Dec 3, 2023, 11:57 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d5dd43927319e307 Gen 7 OU

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topaz sentinel Dec 3, 2023, 11:57 PM

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ok

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also should i go a diff zap set

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some parts of it havent that effective

polar nacelle Dec 3, 2023, 11:58 PM

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u may also want to make zap spdef

topaz sentinel Dec 3, 2023, 11:59 PM

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ddance tar as well or its fine as is

polar nacelle Dec 3, 2023, 11:59 PM

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but that may be better with bp to physical 4atk ttar

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the reasoning for protox refresh pert is that u dont have easy switchins to skarm and bliss at the moment

topaz sentinel Dec 4, 2023, 12:00 AM

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ok i got spdef zapdos

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oh i realized i dont got many physical attackers

vast oracle Dec 4, 2023, 2:16 AM

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granite latch Gen 7 ou https://pokepast.es/c333d8cba41bb84f

i'd personally go like defog lando + rocks heatran over the exca + zapdos tbh. also idk what brave bird on scarf koko hits, you just uturn on the bulky grasses and give mmaw/KB entry. i'd rather run gknot, lets you rk mpert in rain

vast oracle Dec 4, 2023, 2:17 AM

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gleaming obsidian https://pokepast.es/d5dd43927319e307 Gen 7 OU

we dont really rate incomplete teams sorry

granite latch Dec 4, 2023, 2:22 AM

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vast oracle i'd personally go like defog lando + rocks heatran over the exca + zapdos tbh. a...

Fini set its ok?

vast oracle Dec 4, 2023, 2:24 AM

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since you're not defog it's fine yea. i like madness too here to greatly chip ferro which kinda looks annoying, especially cause mmaw is knock-less

granite latch Dec 4, 2023, 2:29 AM

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blobthumbsup

tribal smelt Dec 4, 2023, 8:58 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9fd7e4a4d2e94b3e
RBY OU.
I've been using this team style recently of paraspamming into annoying wincons and progress makers and was wanting to ask for some advice on what to do with ideas like this.

Mie is blizzbolt since Eggy, Rhydon, Slowbro feel like massive problems in the midgame, I chose tailwhip rest Rhydon since I wanted something that can live for longer into electrics but its probably an unset. Sing ice beam chansey is so I at least have something that can sleep in case I really need it.

karmic geyserBOT Dec 4, 2023, 8:58 AM

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sterile jewel Dec 4, 2023, 3:30 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8878280d1b5da267 Is this Gen 7 OU team good? How can I improve it?

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sterile jewel Dec 4, 2023, 3:31 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/seismitoad-seismitoad-appears-gif-25724508

Tenor

brazen nest Dec 4, 2023, 4:25 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d86336d584b7e940

Gen 7 OU

vast oracle Dec 4, 2023, 4:33 PM

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sterile jewel https://pokepast.es/8878280d1b5da267 Is this Gen 7 OU team good? How can I impro...

i like toad too in sm but i dont think you really need it here cause the core of gliscor + pex + CM mlati already covers the stuff it does. this team prob benefits from something like chansey -- gives you your rocks but also sturdier against lele. can also go twave for stuff like CM clef and reuni which can otherwise be very annoying as well. there's also a weavile version over skarm but if you want to go for the spikes route it's fine yea

vast oracle Dec 4, 2023, 4:39 PM

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brazen nest https://pokepast.es/d86336d584b7e940 Gen 7 OU

unfortunately i cant rate this team since there're 3 unviable mons (jolt, entei, and meloetta) and 2 unsets (AV celesteela and non-SD mpinsir)

brazen nest Dec 4, 2023, 4:50 PM

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vast oracle unfortunately i cant rate this team since there're 3 unviable mons (jolt, entei,...

👍🏿

cold yew Dec 4, 2023, 4:50 PM

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tribal smelt https://pokepast.es/9fd7e4a4d2e94b3e RBY OU. I've been using this team style rec...

I think the biggest issue with this team is that you're generally gonna struggle against psychics. Starmie is getting sleepsacked more often than not meaning you just have chansey, which is often not enough to single-handedly take on an onslaught from Alakazam and friends. I think one step in the right direction is to use Hyper Beam over Earthquake on Lax so you have that breaking power against Psychics. I would also use PsyBlizz on starmie so you can chip gengar since ur dropping eq on lax. You also don't have sleep so i'd drop ice beam for sing here. You're still gonna be a bit psychic weak but that's just a general flaw with cloy/don structures

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Also I dont think you need tail whip on don here, your team already checks lax well enough, you can use rest if you really want but i'd drop tail whip for sub

tribal smelt Dec 4, 2023, 4:54 PM

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Im more so worried about Slowbro here too

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Slowbro feels incredibly dire

cold yew Dec 4, 2023, 4:54 PM

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Yeah thats true

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but tbolt on starmie isn't really gonna help vs bro

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since starmie is ur sleepsack here

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You could do a more offensive spin on this team and use physlax

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Since cloy/don check the opposng lax (don checks monolax cloy checks everyting else)

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But regardless of set lax needs hyper beam here

sterile jewel Dec 4, 2023, 5:03 PM

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vast oracle i like toad too in sm but i dont think you really need it here cause the core of...

https://pokepast.es/e245a6971dbf5a3c New version with Seismitoad https://pokepast.es/1c0a102e3de1db1e New version with Chansey

gleaming obsidian Dec 4, 2023, 9:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5bd3450e44995c1f Gen 7 OU

leaden fiber Dec 5, 2023, 1:59 AM

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this looks fine tbh

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u can mess with kart set but i dont think its an issue

vast oracle Dec 5, 2023, 3:39 AM

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sterile jewel https://pokepast.es/e245a6971dbf5a3c New version with Seismitoad https://pokepas...

defo the chansey version. also, the weavile change isnt necessary tbh if you still want to keep the spikes route, i'm just mentioning a different approach to the team

calm spade Dec 5, 2023, 9:50 AM

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https://pokepast.es/4ee13b2b84ebf53f ik a bit about rby ou and i heard venusaur has potential

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night bridge Dec 5, 2023, 2:30 PM

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this team makes no sense unfortunately, it’s completely dominated by alakazam and starmie, gengar is antithetical to using venusaur because where is venusaur getting its swords dance setup off if gengar is the one inflicting sleep, and same issue for the boomspam, it’s just getting in the way of venu doing what it does. if you want to use venu i’d recommend looking at the teams used during rby invitational - the replays might be gone for now but the teams are still there.

also i have no clue why your cloyster has Surf

opal kindle Dec 5, 2023, 2:34 PM

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DPP OU, team seems to struggle against sub breloom and to a lesser extent, heatran. I may be missing a few other problem pokes. Team is functioning reasonably well on ladder but I feel it needs something to push it over the edge. Thank you for viewing my team! https://pokepast.es/0ce52170435305ab

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opal kindle Dec 5, 2023, 2:36 PM

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opal kindle DPP OU, team seems to struggle against sub breloom and to a lesser extent, heatr...

Another thing to note is im not sure if no spinner is correct with dnite sweeper. thanks

cobalt vigil Dec 5, 2023, 4:01 PM

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opal kindle DPP OU, team seems to struggle against sub breloom and to a lesser extent, heatr...

Hello Joemama,
The team you are linking me has glaring weaknesses making it not suitable in the dpp metagame. Stealth Rock is required on any DPP OU competitive team; Rapid Spin however isn't, and the most common approch is to prevent entry hazards via Offensive pressure (fire blast on Tyranitar and such). Since there is no team preview, you need to use a dedicated lead in order to not fall behind; not every pokemon can be a potent lead.
The fastest and most efficient way for you to gain experience is to play the sample teams; a couple of those are offensively oriented and should suit you.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/#post-9828313

Smogon Forums

OU - DPP OU Sample Teams

(banner by Bandkrook)

Hello! This thread is here to archive teams from the DPP metagame and showcase popular playstyles and archetypes. Its aim is to help beginners and intermediate level players become acclimated to the tier, or simply to help anyone in need of a solid team to play.

Please...

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No spin Dragonite can be played, but with a Suicide Lead

opal kindle Dec 5, 2023, 4:31 PM

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cobalt vigil Hello Joemama, The team you are linking me has glaring weaknesses making it not ...

Thank you for the insight.

gentle tulip Dec 5, 2023, 7:46 PM

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Hey hows this team for a new player in Adv OU?

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Gen 3 OU https://pokepast.es/e691bb4d11ddf4e3

gritty scaffold Dec 5, 2023, 7:59 PM

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gentle tulip Hey hows this team for a new player in Adv OU?

write "gen x" where x is the number together with ur pokepaste in the same message

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So the bot ping the raters

gentle tulip Dec 5, 2023, 8:13 PM

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gritty scaffold write "gen x" where x is the number together with ur pokepaste in the same messa...

Thanks, like that?

gritty scaffold Dec 5, 2023, 8:13 PM

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You need to post again

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Edit wont work

gentle tulip Dec 5, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Gen 3 OU https://pokepast.es/e691bb4d11ddf4e3

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gentle tulip Dec 5, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Thanks homie

polar nacelle Dec 5, 2023, 11:07 PM

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gentle tulip Gen 3 OU https://pokepast.es/e691bb4d11ddf4e3

Looks ok but lower swampert's speed to just above skarm's or claydol's

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And put the rest in bulk

topaz sentinel Dec 6, 2023, 7:12 AM

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gentle tulip Gen 3 OU https://pokepast.es/e691bb4d11ddf4e3

I’m no expert but it seems u can use a spiker or maybe at least a spinner

hollow elm Dec 7, 2023, 6:06 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5737df763040b162
Gen 3 OU

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polar nacelle Dec 7, 2023, 6:07 AM

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hollow elm https://pokepast.es/5737df763040b162 Gen 3 OU

everything seemed plausible until the alakazam

hollow elm Dec 7, 2023, 6:07 AM

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how should i replace it

polar nacelle Dec 7, 2023, 6:09 AM

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one interesting triple steel option would be to replace it with bulky magneton

hollow elm Dec 7, 2023, 6:10 AM

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thanks

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i'll try it

polar nacelle Dec 7, 2023, 6:10 AM

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also, u should probably change the metagross set

hollow elm Dec 7, 2023, 6:11 AM

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yea

polar nacelle Dec 7, 2023, 6:11 AM

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i think physically invested hp grass looks kinda nice here

hollow elm Dec 7, 2023, 6:11 AM

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i wont need the hp fire

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on metagross

hollow elm Dec 7, 2023, 6:12 AM

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polar nacelle i think physically invested hp grass looks kinda nice here

on metagross?

polar nacelle Dec 7, 2023, 6:12 AM

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yes

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theres also probably a better gyarados set u can use here

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not sure

hollow elm Dec 7, 2023, 6:13 AM

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max atk on metagross?

polar nacelle Dec 7, 2023, 6:13 AM

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max hp, near max atk, some very minimal sp.atk on metagross to 2hko swampert, some speed creep

hollow elm Dec 7, 2023, 6:14 AM

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ok

hollow elm Dec 7, 2023, 6:29 AM

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polar nacelle max hp, near max atk, some very minimal sp.atk on metagross to 2hko swampert, so...

what do i need to outspeed

polar nacelle Dec 7, 2023, 7:08 AM

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hollow elm what do i need to outspeed

Skarm, meta, claydol

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Basically u should outspeed ur own team

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Maybe u dont need to out dol

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But defo should out opposing similar speed metagrosses and skarms

woeful pumice Dec 8, 2023, 2:42 AM

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https://pokepast.es/fa74007915a70f02 is this bad or am i just bad at piloting it

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adv

violet garnet Dec 8, 2023, 4:45 AM

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https://pokepast.es/13e57ed7ff07795a gen 8

karmic geyserBOT Dec 8, 2023, 4:45 AM

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gusty jungle Dec 8, 2023, 4:52 AM

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woeful pumice https://pokepast.es/fa74007915a70f02 is this bad or am i just bad at piloting it

You have to put the gen in the same message as the pokepaste for it to work

woeful pumice Dec 8, 2023, 4:53 AM

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Oh right

hasty ingot Dec 8, 2023, 5:08 AM

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violet garnet https://pokepast.es/13e57ed7ff07795a gen 8

always a fan of rillaboom + melm

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av melm is not usually what you want with rillaboom since protect + lefties with the terrain is just so valuable

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but if you do wanna run it, i would drop quake for rock slide

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gives you a way to lure volca which can be key for this team

violet garnet Dec 8, 2023, 5:09 AM

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i forgot prot toxic was a thing

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imma run that

hasty ingot Dec 8, 2023, 5:09 AM

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yep protox good

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or even protect + three attacks

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just be sure to play very carefully around koko

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natures madness seems annoying here a lot

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but this looks like a fun team!

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the landorus should probably be SpD

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since you are dropping av

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but other than that you get a thumbs up!

violet garnet Dec 8, 2023, 5:12 AM

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dex for president

digital tapir Dec 8, 2023, 6:53 AM

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[SM OU]
(Someone Whose Current Competitive Knowledge/Experience Has Exclusively Been Bottom-Ladder SM OU While Playing a Sample Rain Team and Just Clicking Shit)
https://pokepast.es/785eea3f4158737b

Trying to make a Pivot/VoltTurn-focused team around Mega Scizor, any help? Would rather go for a Balanced lean over an Offensive lean, but it's not as necessary as having M-Scizor to me

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digital tapir Dec 8, 2023, 6:54 AM

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oh shit sorry, didn't know it would ping you here after I pinged you earlier elsewhere

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Anyways, currently all the sets there have just been from skimming recent Discord convos/their Smogon analyses pages without much thought put into them, so any help's appreciated in this regard for directing me

vast oracle Dec 8, 2023, 7:03 AM

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since the team is incomplete we can discuss it in compgen instead

digital tapir Dec 8, 2023, 7:04 AM

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oh alright

woeful pumice Dec 8, 2023, 9:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/67c132b5f3a298e6 gen 3

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woeful pumice Dec 8, 2023, 9:32 PM

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ive been suffering quite a bit piloting this, not sure if its the team being bad or just me being bad

topaz sentinel Dec 8, 2023, 10:22 PM

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woeful pumice ive been suffering quite a bit piloting this, not sure if its the team being bad...

idk prob both

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nah im just trolling

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idrk but it doesnt seem u have any overlaps

polar nacelle Dec 8, 2023, 11:46 PM

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woeful pumice ive been suffering quite a bit piloting this, not sure if its the team being bad...

Do you have the original from the pasy_g game

hollow elm Dec 9, 2023, 9:12 AM

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https://pokepast.es/477dd03a18095c47 gen 3

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hollow elm Dec 9, 2023, 9:12 AM

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ou

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 1:41 PM

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I'm moving to Gen 7 OU until SV OU sorts itself out
anyways HO Webs
https://pokepast.es/d8ccff2166f26f88

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New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 1:48 PM

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oh yeah gigadrain is supposed to be giga impact

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 1:51 PM

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ironically sv webs is infinitely more viable than sm webs

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still needs a stealth rock setter imo, something like lead exca or landot

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and also a defog deterrent, so either serperior or bisharp

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i'd remove both the keldeo and kart for exca/landot and serp

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i like skill swap bee over hp fire for the lead mdia matchup but if azu + serp is enough to counterlead it then it's fine

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just pray you dont face hawlucha

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 1:59 PM

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vast oracle still needs a stealth rock setter imo, something like lead exca or landot

which set for Exca?

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 1:59 PM

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lead sash

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 1:59 PM

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okay, but isn't bee the lead?

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:00 PM

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yeah 2 leads for webs + rocks + removal

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 2:00 PM

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ooo I get it

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 2:00 PM

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vast oracle and also a defog deterrent, so either serperior or bisharp

what about serp?

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:01 PM

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subseed or glare taunt is fine

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 2:01 PM

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mhm

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is this still a HO team tho?

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:01 PM

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yeah it's still offensive threats in webs

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 2:03 PM

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okay, anything else needing of change?

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:09 PM

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https://pokepast.es/792be7fb5e9e02b5 royal can u look at this afterwards ok thx

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:09 PM

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i may have some opinions on the other team members but it's fine if you wanna keep them

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:09 PM

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tropic schooner https://pokepast.es/792be7fb5e9e02b5 royal can u look at this afterwards ok thx

no..

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:10 PM

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no what

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 2:10 PM

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vast oracle i may have some opinions on the other team members but it's fine if you wanna ke...

go ahead go on

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I'm kinnda curious

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:14 PM

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peak canyon go ahead go on

How dd mttar is better on screens than webs, and also something like running magearna or thundyt (strong threats in webs but also valuable defensive utility)

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:15 PM

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my main issue with the team has been uh

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volcy

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:15 PM

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tropic schooner https://pokepast.es/792be7fb5e9e02b5 royal can u look at this afterwards ok thx

i like uturn tornt as the bird over zap

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:15 PM

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maybe av torn?

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:16 PM

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u invite in zapdos for cb ttar to pursuit, and rotomw for grassspam to go ham

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was thinking of the standard defog + knock too, so you can afford uturn on msciz

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but yea volc is always problematic for grassspam

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which is why the steel tends to be heatran

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 2:17 PM

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vast oracle How dd mttar is better on screens than webs, and also something like running mag...

I wanna have a mega pokemon on my team

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:17 PM

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even saw rockium z on grass spam every once in a while

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:18 PM

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oh yea

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defo want edge on bulu

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:18 PM

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yeah

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i like z grass tho

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:19 PM

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i like a more offensive spread on SD bulu if you have gastro but nbd

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yeah still grassium but dropping 1 of the stabs

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:19 PM

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rather drop horn leech then

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:19 PM

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av tornt is possible to soft check volc too yea

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prob defog on scarf kart then

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:20 PM

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iirc theres a crazy kyub calc with +2 z wood hammer

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 2:20 PM

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vast oracle How dd mttar is better on screens than webs, and also something like running mag...

so uh, do you want me to replace mttar with something else?

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:20 PM

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+2 z wood hammer is stupid strong so i'm not surprised

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:20 PM

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shouldnt need smart strike

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on this

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have msciz ttar and gterrain boosted leaf blade

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:21 PM

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peak canyon so uh, do you want me to replace mttar with something else?

nah doesnt have to, it's fine

peak canyon Dec 9, 2023, 2:21 PM

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alr then

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:21 PM

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tropic schooner shouldnt need smart strike

yup

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:21 PM

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+2 144+ Atk Tapu Bulu Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black in Grassy Terrain: 472-556 (120.7 - 142.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 144+ Atk Tapu Bulu Bloom Doom (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black in Grassy Terrain: 348-410 (89 - 104.8%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:21 PM

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i'm personally running +252 but thats just me

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:22 PM

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actually

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royal

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what if

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252 SpA Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 84 SpD Tapu Bulu: 288-342 (83.7 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:23 PM

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sure

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or you run rindo gastro if you're afraid of giga volc

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:23 PM

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and get the 172+ attack which means

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+2 172+ Atk Tapu Bulu Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona in Grassy Terrain: 342-402 (109.9 - 129.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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you always kill it

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theres also the uh zapdos calc with that ig that also matters

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+2 172+ Atk Tapu Bulu Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 184+ Def Zapdos in Grassy Terrain: 411-483 (107 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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cooked.

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:24 PM

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make it +152 and put 20 on speed instead

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:25 PM

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is that glis speed

vast oracle Dec 9, 2023, 2:25 PM

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uninvested heatran

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also avoids ties with msciz

tropic schooner Dec 9, 2023, 2:26 PM

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fair

woeful pumice Dec 9, 2023, 2:44 PM

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polar nacelle Do you have the original from the pasy_g game

uhh no

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i saw a vid about it idr which and i just built it based on that

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i dont have the original

fast stratus Dec 9, 2023, 11:44 PM

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Gen 3 OU https://pokepast.es/67861eee087f850a

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leaden fiber Dec 9, 2023, 11:46 PM

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U dont have a rock resist, this team loses hard to aerodactyl

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among other things

fast stratus Dec 9, 2023, 11:59 PM

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Should i add like swampert over blissey or dugtrio then?

peak canyon Dec 10, 2023, 2:35 AM

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vast oracle How dd mttar is better on screens than webs, and also something like running mag...

actually, I think I wanna replace Mttar and Serperior on my team

Also I have Landorous-T on my team instead of Excadrill

peak canyon Dec 10, 2023, 4:18 AM

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ight I decided to change up my gen 7 OU team

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https://pokepast.es/78a079b13ed3e57d

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let me know if this is a downgrade

leaden fiber Dec 10, 2023, 5:03 AM

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fast stratus Should i add like swampert over blissey or dugtrio then?

Likely dugtrio, yeah. and then the team is pretty standard, I would run twave bliss and then a normal skarmory (toxtect)

fast stratus Dec 10, 2023, 5:04 AM

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If i run a normal skarmory doesn’t it just get wasted by magneton

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Like at best i get 1 spike

polar nacelle Dec 10, 2023, 5:40 AM

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fast stratus If i run a normal skarmory doesn’t it just get wasted by magneton

you have a spinblocker, you'll be fine

fast stratus Dec 10, 2023, 5:41 AM

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Ok

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Thanks

hollow elm Dec 10, 2023, 5:57 AM

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https://pokepast.es/477dd03a18095c47 gen 3

karmic geyserBOT Dec 10, 2023, 5:57 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

peak canyon Dec 10, 2023, 8:49 AM

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vast oracle How dd mttar is better on screens than webs, and also something like running mag...

hey, mind if I ping you incase I need help with fixing any more Gen 7 OU teams?

vast oracle Dec 10, 2023, 1:54 PM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/78a079b13ed3e57d

you have double z so make azu sitrus instead. also idk why you remove your defog deterrent for a specs lele, which doesnt work well with azu's propensity to spam aqua jet

vast oracle Dec 10, 2023, 1:55 PM

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peak canyon hey, mind if I ping you incase I need help with fixing any more Gen 7 OU teams?

ye just drop the teams here and the sm rater(s) will take a look when we're available

vivid kraken Dec 10, 2023, 3:28 PM

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https://pokepast.es/eb46b44d8c3a7e12

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sm ou

peak canyon Dec 10, 2023, 9:26 PM

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vast oracle you have double z so make azu sitrus instead. also idk why you remove your defog...

wait, how does Serperior deter defog again

tribal smelt Dec 10, 2023, 10:41 PM

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Gains evasion

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 12:55 AM

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peak canyon wait, how does Serperior deter defog again

oh wait, taunt

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 1:24 AM

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vast oracle you have double z so make azu sitrus instead. also idk why you remove your defog...

wait, can I use Fini instead?

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 1:52 AM

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vivid kraken https://pokepast.es/eb46b44d8c3a7e12

in general i do not like fini as the bulky water in these sort of builds due to pacing mismatch but if you really want the volc support then i guess it's still workable. i'd at least make it more physdef to handle stuff like hawlucha, zardx, weavile, and mpert better cause you have spdef ferro + kommo for stuff like agren and heatran.
either go ice beam mlati or ice fang gliscor cause the team looks so weak to opposing gliscor otherwise
protect over twave on ferro for longevity, which it appreciates more in these sort of teams

personal preference but going with the relous's 6 with tornt + pex over fini + volc is prob better, but i guess it's fine

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 1:53 AM

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peak canyon wait, how does Serperior deter defog again

taunt stopping defog also works yes but mostly referring to contrary, which gives you evasion if the opp defogs. pretty nasty if you're sub+seed too

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 1:53 AM

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peak canyon wait, can I use Fini instead?

on a webs HO team? i'd advice against it greatly

vivid kraken Dec 11, 2023, 1:53 AM

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hm ok thx

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do u have relous teams paste

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idk if i got evs right

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 1:54 AM

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vast oracle on a webs HO team? i'd advice against it greatly

so, Fini bad, Serperior good then?

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 1:56 AM

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vivid kraken idk if i got evs right

oh yea u def want max hp max speed on mlati instead

vivid kraken Dec 11, 2023, 1:57 AM

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other sets and evs are good?

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:00 AM

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can prob drop less speed on gliscor for more spdef too tbh, like hit +20 for modest heatran. since this team isn't outright stall where you desperately need to outspeed hoopau and timid heatran

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 2:01 AM

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vast oracle taunt stopping defog also works yes but mostly referring to contrary, which giv...

wait which set should I use for serperior again?

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:01 AM

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peak canyon so, Fini bad, Serperior good then?

bisharp if you dont want serp

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defo subseed, but glare+taunt is a fine alternative

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 2:03 AM

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ok

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 2:09 AM

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vast oracle defo subseed, but glare+taunt is a fine alternative

how does the team look now?
https://pokepast.es/2f6eba036b6e11f3

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:19 AM

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peak canyon how does the team look now? https://pokepast.es/2f6eba036b6e11f3

sitrus on azu, and ghostium z on clown
56/200/252 on serp is the ev spread for the sub set; just run max/max instead

there's prob arguments for lead landot instead so opposing scarf landot doesnt click EQ freely, but if you really want the spin for clown it's fine

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 2:21 AM

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vast oracle - sitrus on azu, and ghostium z on clown - 56/200/252 on serp is the ev spread f...

I wanna keep normal z on azu since it can restore it's hp before using belly drum when used, in the situation that azu is on low health

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if you know what I mean

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:21 AM

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i know what it does

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it's just that subcm clown without the z is much worse than azu without the z

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 2:22 AM

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vast oracle it's just that subcm clown without the z is much worse than azu without the z

should I go back to the choice specs set or another set for the clown?

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:23 AM

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that works, but i think going for something like magearna is actually better so you're not reliant on exca's removal and more free to run landot instead

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also running 2 niche mons in the same team on an archetype that is known to be very close to unviable might not be the optimal strat

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you can just run lefties on mage and keep the z on azu

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 2:26 AM

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vast oracle that works, but i think going for something like magearna is actually better so ...

what set should I use for mage, and should I really replace exca with landot

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:27 AM

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CM + 3 attacks is fine

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with enough speed to outspeed -1 base 100s like volc and victini

hollow elm Dec 11, 2023, 2:27 AM

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peak canyon wait, how does Serperior deter defog again

contrary

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:28 AM

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can run some (more) bulk too if you prefer, mon is very customizable

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:29 AM

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peak canyon what set should I use for mage, and should I really replace exca with landot

i like the ground immunity that landot provides, otherwise opposing scarf landot (which is immune to webs) can click very freely

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 2:30 AM

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what about remove on hazards on my side?

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what about opposing sticky webbers?

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:36 AM

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team isn't very weak to rocks, and you're running HO so you wont be switching around too much

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the sticky web matchup will occur in 1/1000 games (yes, the playstyle is that close to unviable) compared to the scarf landot matchup that will occur in 1/2 games

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you also have azu's priority and serp, which gets the speed boost on their webs

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i like exca more on HO's that features rock-weak mons like zardx, volcarona, dnite, & mpinsir

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but if you still want to use lead exca then by all means

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 2:54 AM

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vast oracle but if you still want to use lead exca then by all means

ight, made some more adjustments, how does it look now?
https://pokepast.es/6b47f1e48576abaa

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 2:56 AM

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aura sphere/focus blast on mage over ice beam

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lead landot set with sd stealth rock eq boom with focus sash/normal gem

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 3:00 AM

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vast oracle lead landot set with sd stealth rock eq boom with focus sash/normal gem

like this?
https://pokepast.es/3408f84b117f7556

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 3:00 AM

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252/252 landot and should be good

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 3:02 AM

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vast oracle 252/252 landot and should be good

ok done, anything else or am I good?

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 3:02 AM

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it's fine yea

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 3:03 AM

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ok

vivid kraken Dec 11, 2023, 3:04 AM

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vast oracle oh yea u def want max hp max speed on mlati instead

https://pokepast.es/4d8bb54f805e6d15 ok so smth like this is good

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 3:05 AM

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oh you're not going with the volc fini anymore?

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protect ferro over twave, and either ice fang on gliscor (over facade) or ice beam on mlati (over refresh) for the gliscor matchup

vivid kraken Dec 11, 2023, 3:09 AM

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ok

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thx

vast oracle Dec 11, 2023, 3:09 AM

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i think i'd go ice beam mlati actually

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gives you a way to pressure opposing mlati too

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which can be annoying

peak canyon Dec 11, 2023, 12:33 PM

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Balanced

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https://pokepast.es/a11765ba629f04da

gleaming obsidian Dec 11, 2023, 5:05 PM

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https://pokepast.es/85ce1aef93bc803e Gen 7 OU

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New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

topaz sentinel Dec 12, 2023, 10:39 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e885b0e459318699 gen 4 ou, wanna try a bp jolteon team w gengar on it since it got unbanned

karmic geyserBOT Dec 12, 2023, 10:39 PM

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New OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

peak canyon Dec 12, 2023, 11:39 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c0e9056d615d0f62 gen 7 ou
(i thought of adding a fast pokemon to it but i want to hear some opinions)

or as a secondary solution to speed is to add t wave to ferrothorn

karmic geyserBOT Dec 12, 2023, 11:39 PM

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New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

topaz sentinel Dec 13, 2023, 2:24 AM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/e885b0e459318699 gen 4 ou, wanna try a bp jolteon team w gen...

I just realized I’m basically using a adv ou team lmao, but does it look like I can make any replacements or adjustments

vast oracle Dec 13, 2023, 3:01 AM

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gleaming obsidian https://pokepast.es/85ce1aef93bc803e Gen 7 OU

if you still want SD+defog kart then idt z fight is necessary here cause zardy + vic should handle msciz, celest, & skarm already (heatran still drops to +2 sacred), especially since weavile tends to knock the latter two. i'd make it z grass instead
haze isn't that great on fini (unless it's like ~~the cursed~~ z haze) so i'd rather make it taunt/madness. can prob run some bulk EVs instead of full speed too
another option is final gambit victini to lure in immediately remove heatran and pex--especially the latter since you're not trapper fini--for the team. With max hp EVs you're also a sturdier answer against the psyspam matchup (i.e. gives you your pseudo-steel)
dont forget the extra 4 evs

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 6:55 AM

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https://pokepast.es/24b0d04dc0332fb6 tried to make a gen 2 team

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calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 6:55 AM

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idk abt machamp

upper plume Dec 13, 2023, 6:58 AM

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mono eq lax is weird

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 6:59 AM

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id hate to get walled by gastly /j

upper plume Dec 13, 2023, 7:00 AM

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wait I just realized

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you have no lax check

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or rather no normal resist

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nor do you have a phazer

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 7:03 AM

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shit i forgot abt the phazer

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:03 AM

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walled by zapdos lax

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Yes

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Thats genius

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(Dont do that)

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yuh ngl this isnt too hard to fix

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Just do steelix > nidoking

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 7:03 AM

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can i do jynx > cloy and steelix > nido

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:03 AM

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Double edge > stalk on lax

upper plume Dec 13, 2023, 7:03 AM

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idk about spikeless

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:04 AM

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calm spade can i do jynx > cloy and steelix > nido

No chance u are dropping the spiker on offense bro

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for beginners

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 7:04 AM

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dont i need a sleeper

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Never drop: spikes, lax, zapdos

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:04 AM

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calm spade dont i need a sleeper

??

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No

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lol

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 7:04 AM

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dang

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:04 AM

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This is not rby

upper plume Dec 13, 2023, 7:04 AM

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you only need a sleeper in rby

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Well u can make due w.o sleepers in rby but its alot harder to justify not to

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But yea

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lax cloy zap vapo champ lix is a fine 6

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 7:05 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2987d1a0466124b8

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:05 AM

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Eq > stalk on lax

upper plume Dec 13, 2023, 7:05 AM

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I think I have a team like that but w/ eggy > champ

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:05 AM

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Ice > water on dos

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Eq > bug on machamp

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Uhh make zapdos lead aswell

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or lax

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 7:06 AM

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ill do zap

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:06 AM

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Def not cloy but either zap or lax lead work here

upper plume Dec 13, 2023, 7:06 AM

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yeah cloy lead is a bit too cheesey for me

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:06 AM

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upper plume I think I have a team like that but w/ eggy > champ

Thats just borat

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The original vapo boomspam

upper plume Dec 13, 2023, 7:06 AM

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ye it's boomspam

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except it's also boomlax

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:07 AM

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(Dont do boomlax here the team is fine as is)

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 7:07 AM

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alr thx

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:07 AM

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calm spade https://pokepast.es/2987d1a0466124b8

Edge > bslam on lax too

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mm

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Actually slam is prolly fine, kinda saucy with vapo and champ having cloy and zap parad

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Just be super careful around opposing lax cause bslam damage dropoff compared to edge is extremely noteicable

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 7:09 AM

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is there any funny calcs w/ edge

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:09 AM

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U can ohko starmie with a crit on a high roll

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Same with raikou

calm spade Dec 13, 2023, 7:09 AM

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thats funny enough for me

silver reef Dec 13, 2023, 7:09 AM

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I mean edge is standard on lax for a reason

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topaz sentinel Dec 13, 2023, 7:58 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e885b0e459318699 gen 4 ou, still havent got this looked at, i want to use gengar/bp jolt cuz it got unbanned, anything i can do to make it look less like an adv team

karmic geyserBOT Dec 13, 2023, 7:58 PM

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cobalt vigil Dec 13, 2023, 9:19 PM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/e885b0e459318699 gen 4 ou, wanna try a bp jolteon team w gen...

It's workable, but subpass jolteon doesn't really enable anything here. Jolteon even with a life orb is easily stopped and therefore can't pass subs easily so your best bet is to use a Choice specs set with Baton Pass alongside either pursuit, explosion and special attackers to punish Latias, Clefable, Hippowdon and Tyranitar switch ins

topaz sentinel Dec 13, 2023, 9:28 PM

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I’ll try bp, ice, shadow ball, tbolt but r there any other mon replacements I should make @cobalt vigil

cobalt vigil Dec 13, 2023, 9:29 PM

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I think you should try special offense instead, this is where jolteon is at its best

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The skarmory choice is good

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Sypporting bp and tbolt at the same time

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You can think of pokemon such as Suicune, Heatran, Specs Latias, Meta/Jirach and gengar for example

topaz sentinel Dec 13, 2023, 9:31 PM

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U said pursuit so should I go bulky pursuit tar

cobalt vigil Dec 13, 2023, 9:31 PM

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Idt skarm is a good partner for gyarados

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Jolteon gyara is good in theory but doesnt take you anywhere

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Ala gyaravire

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Suicune-jolt is a more potent core

cobalt vigil Dec 13, 2023, 9:33 PM

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cobalt vigil Idt skarm is a good partner for gyarados

Cause skarm is a poor option if you want to prevent rocks

topaz sentinel Dec 13, 2023, 9:35 PM

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Didn’t think abt two electric weak mons

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I’ll try jolt, gengar, jirachi, skarm, cune, heatran/meta hb that @cobalt vigil

cobalt vigil Dec 13, 2023, 9:39 PM

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With a ddtar last

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This should work

topaz sentinel Dec 13, 2023, 9:41 PM

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Oh I got 6 already, who of the 6 that I mentioned should I not include

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Heatran/meta?

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Don’t want too many ground weak mons

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https://pokepast.es/295f4c8528267287 @cobalt vigil

cobalt vigil Dec 13, 2023, 9:51 PM

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Shuca mix Jirachi

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Iron head fpunch ipunch then either thunder or gk

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Put Ttar as your last this is your late game option

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Specs > leftovers

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Or put magnet

topaz sentinel Dec 13, 2023, 9:54 PM

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Ok

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https://pokepast.es/68a6d49c297cc743 @cobalt vigil

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Zap plate does the same thing

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Any other fatal flaw of the team

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Changed knot to thunderbolt and naive

cobalt vigil Dec 13, 2023, 10:10 PM

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This should be better

topaz sentinel Dec 13, 2023, 10:32 PM

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cobalt vigil This should be better

Thx sorry for bugging a lot, if I feel it’s necessary later on, is prot, fire, body, iron still viable for jorachi on this team

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Also I changed hydro pump to ice beam didn’t mean to have two water moves

peak canyon Dec 13, 2023, 11:48 PM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-2011094926

[Gen 8] OU: abbabareal2 vs. rodentchess - Replays - Pokémon Showdown!

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between abbabareal2 and rodentchess! Format: [Gen 8] OU; Date: Dec 13, 2023

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@tribal smelt

upper plume Dec 14, 2023, 1:00 AM

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!replays

karmic geyserBOT Dec 14, 2023, 1:00 AM

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See rule 1 of https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1030567099703242903

cobalt vigil Dec 14, 2023, 2:41 AM

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topaz sentinel Thx sorry for bugging a lot, if I feel it’s necessary later on, is prot, fire, b...

You have no scarfer, here shuca Jirachi acts as a buffer against dders therefore you need to be able to ohko gyara/dnite.You do have Suicune but it's going to be used in other situations (to check metagross notably)

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Also Hpump modest Suicune > Surf to 2hko clef. You don't necessarily need hp elec and you may try other moves/items such as Lum Berry and Rain Dance / Protect

topaz sentinel Dec 14, 2023, 2:54 AM

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cobalt vigil Also Hpump modest Suicune > Surf to 2hko clef. You don't necessarily need hp el...

ok i changed to hydro, might try protect or something, i was maybe considering a scarfer just for convience but i wouldnt know who is best

unborn solstice Dec 14, 2023, 5:17 PM

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suicune vs entei

upper plume Dec 14, 2023, 5:34 PM

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this isn't the place

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this is for rating teams not for more general discussion

peak canyon Dec 14, 2023, 5:48 PM

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https://pokepast.es/46d11127bea96779
Can someone rate my gen 1 ou team?

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unborn solstice Dec 14, 2023, 6:05 PM

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upper plume this is for rating teams not for more general discussion

my fault

green rock Dec 14, 2023, 6:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3820f992bdd5a609 gen 6 ou. I was wondering what set I should use for talonflame on this team, also if u see anything wrong w the team i could or should fix.

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upper plume Dec 14, 2023, 6:22 PM

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You're more likely to get help if you go to the ORAS Discord

karmic geyserBOT Dec 14, 2023, 6:22 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

night bridge Dec 14, 2023, 6:57 PM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/46d11127bea96779 Can someone rate my gen 1 ou team?

the main standout issue to me is your snorlax checks are lacking - youre very reliant on getting lapras or egg in as it sets Reflect or you kinda get bodied. You also really lack the ability to spread para - chansey is your only para spreader after you slep sack starmie, which is what you should be aiming to do. I think this team gets immensely better with stun spore > drain on egg and using a reflect eq lax

devout kestrel Dec 15, 2023, 2:40 AM

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https://pokepast.es/924e4f7cfd007fcf I was working on a gen 6 team which has changed over time. This is currently what I have. Cofa is there bc I watched a Jimothy Cool video and wanted it. The biggest problem is Clefable isn't bulky enough. The idea is set rocks with lando then tspikes when a phys attacker is in with cofa then sweeping with lopunny and exca can clutch up. Keldeo is for gliscor mostly

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minor latch Dec 15, 2023, 3:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/eea19ad59565bb99 gen 9 ou ho team

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 3:22 AM

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these are for past-gen ou tiers

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@minor latch if put gen 9 ou rates in #1059653209678950460

crisp saffron Dec 15, 2023, 3:41 AM

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devout kestrel https://pokepast.es/924e4f7cfd007fcf I was working on a gen 6 team which has cha...

First impression just use a normal lopunny set like double priority or ice punch

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Locking your normal stab behind three other moves is never going to be worth it

minor latch Dec 15, 2023, 4:00 AM

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upper plume these are for past-gen ou tiers

oh sorry

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oh wait its locked probably cause of the DLC release

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 4:01 AM

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Exactly

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Nobody knows what's good

minor latch Dec 15, 2023, 4:02 AM

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i mean the dlc mons havent even been put on showdown yet

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 4:03 AM

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Is this for DLC 1 SV OU?

minor latch Dec 15, 2023, 4:04 AM

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the DLC that literally released like last night

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 4:04 AM

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I see

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Because this looks like a DLC 1 team

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But DLC 2 was the one that just released

minor latch Dec 15, 2023, 4:05 AM

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i mean this is a team made literally like 3 hours ago and the dlc 2 mons dont exist on showdown yet but it is technically a dlc 2 team

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 4:05 AM

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I see

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Yeah you're generally not gonna get help for SV OU in this thread

minor latch Dec 15, 2023, 4:06 AM

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i mean yea this is old gens

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i just got it mixed up

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 4:27 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f9eee879e8ef8249

i wanted to try my hand at a sandstorm team for gen 5 ou based on sets from smogon and some of the team options and recommendations, as well as being a team i remember seeing some time ago online, but i cant seem to find it, and i wanted to ask if i should make any changes

calm spade Dec 15, 2023, 8:46 AM

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https://pokepast.es/aa6c8c2478d86765 i wanted to make a adv team, i think'd have to change the swamp set

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leaden fiber Dec 15, 2023, 8:55 AM

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u have random mons / sets

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there's no cohesiveness

calm spade Dec 15, 2023, 8:58 AM

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do i just switch them out for the defult sets smogon recomends

long ginkgo Dec 15, 2023, 9:25 AM

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i think you just want to use a sample set for now

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as zerkas ha said this team is all over the place

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it would basically be creating a new team from scratch

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 10:06 AM

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reef cobalt https://pokepast.es/f9eee879e8ef8249 i wanted to try my hand at a sandstorm tea...

First of all you dont have a spinner
Dont use non scarf scizor in sand bc is usually better for ho teams.
That reun should have 252 hp , 252 def bold nature evs and cm over hp ice and use psyshock and you maybe want lefties. I dont think dnite fits on this team specially bc of sand chip ruining its multiscale. also why ur scarf ttar is lacking EVs. So first use exca over dnite , use scarf scizor here . Use chople ttar set with rock slide on the 3th move so u can check volca better

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Also i think you might want to use defensive lando set over gliscor in this team because lando is better at checking dragons and other stuff

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 10:59 AM

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Nice Keldeo check

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(Rotom-W + CB Nite won't help enough against Keldeo)

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There are a couple of directions you can take your foundation

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I agree that you shouldn't keep Gliscor because it's really passive and Lando-T helps you check a good number of attackers

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The next question becomes about whether or not you want to keep Scizor (by making it a Scarfer), or replacing it with a different mon

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If you do want to keep Scarf Scizor, then I would recommend making Tyranitar the bulky Pursuit trapper, then replace Dragonite for an Excadrill and Reuniclus for a Latios

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What this will do is it makes your team better into Keldeo and Thundurus-T by giving you a solid offensive check to it (Latios), and give you long term play versus opposing Spikes teams (Excadrill's Rapid Spin + Scarf Scizor threatening their Psychic types)

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If you're totally fine with not keeping Scizor and instead being more flexible, then your options expand greatly

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Currently you have Scarf Tyranitar, so let's explore options with it

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Scarf Tyranitar's main flaw is that it isn't as good into opposing Alakazam (since Alakazam actually outspeeds Choice Scarf Tyranitar and KOes with Focus Blast), so when you're building with it, you need to consider how else you will be handling it

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 11:11 AM

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its usually good vs rain bc of how it threatens offensively

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but yea it hates trying to check psy mons

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 11:12 AM

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But I find Scarf Tar a better enabler of your own offensive threats

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It makes it easier for Excadrill to spin away Spikes since you trap Jellicent

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It enables Keldeo because you can trap many of its common checks in the Latis, Celebi, and Jellicent

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And Rapid Spin support is really nice for a whole host of Pokemon that dislike Spikes, including Tyranitar itself

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A core you start out with could be Scarf Tar + Excadrill + Lefties Keldeo + SpDef Jirachi + Latios + 1 more

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 11:50 AM

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upper plume But I find Scarf Tar a better enabler of your own offensive threats

In contrast to this, you require less dedicated support for the bulky Pursuit Tar since it can beat Alakazam

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So bulky Pursuit Tar supports its team less since it's less reliable at Pursuiting things other than Latios and Alakazam

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But in return can beat Alakazam

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So it can anchor more offensive sand teams whereas Scarf Tar fits on bulkier stuff

inner mist Dec 15, 2023, 11:59 AM

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reef cobalt https://pokepast.es/f9eee879e8ef8249 i wanted to try my hand at a sandstorm tea...

This team is really slow

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And just seems really incoherent

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I would recommend using Tar Glisc Ferro Rotom Lati Zam instead

vivid kraken Dec 15, 2023, 12:00 PM

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https://pokepast.es/114568de46bde850

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sm ou

inner mist Dec 15, 2023, 12:00 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8ee416ade88580e1

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Use this

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 12:26 PM

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that just looks awful vs ho and why u would be running scarf rotom outside of rain

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 12:35 PM

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Yeah you're just asking to get cloy + zor

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 12:37 PM

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i mean even vs volca this team isnt that great

peak canyon Dec 15, 2023, 4:17 PM

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gen 7 balanced

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https://pokepast.es/f565da5ee65e5f09

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 4:42 PM

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gritty scaffold First of all you dont have a spinner Dont use non scarf scizor in sand bc is usu...

https://pokepast.es/5df38e4de73fc13b how is this?

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 4:42 PM

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just change reun to a latios. i think since u wanna keep scarf scizor as tbolt mentioned

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 4:43 PM

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upper plume If you do want to keep Scarf Scizor, then I would recommend making Tyranitar the...

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reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 5:02 PM

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gritty scaffold just change reun to a latios. i think since u wanna keep scarf scizor as tbolt m...

which item set is best for latios?

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 5:03 PM

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i think specs

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 5:03 PM

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ok!

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 5:03 PM

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because scarf latios usually needs spike support

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 7:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5e426a3e2dd672d8

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hows this?

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and i wanted to ask for general advice on how to use this team as well, since ive read the general usage on each pokemon’s page, but am still unsure

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 7:39 PM

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Well you have 4 Pokemon that beat Tyranitar and a Specs Latios

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Latios does Latios things, can use Zor Lando and Rotom to pivot around

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Could also go with Swords Dance Drill if you feel ur comfortable against Latios

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To let you break through Ferrothorn and Gliscor

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 7:42 PM

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what set is there for swords dance excadrill?

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like what item and nature, i mean

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 7:43 PM

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Basically this set but SD > Protect

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Can add a bit of SpDef if ur feeling it

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 7:45 PM

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upper plume Latios does Latios things, can use Zor Lando and Rotom to pivot around

i know latios is best used as a wall breaker that comes out after pivoting, i assume scizor is a revenge killer, rotom can switch into moves and deal burns early on and pivot with v switch, and landous is helpful with intimidate and u turn plus having a decent offensive presence

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do you usually just lead with tyranitar?

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or what else can tyranitar do

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and excadrill switches in usually to not effective attacks, but all i know is that it can remove hazards, not much on how to use it offensively

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 7:46 PM

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sd can beat slower teams quite easily

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 7:47 PM

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is swords dance worth replacing protect with?

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 7:48 PM

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if u want

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i like protect for a bit of healing but sd is quite great

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you can pressure skarm way more easily

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 7:59 PM

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with swords dance, does excadrill become more of a sweeper then?

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:09 PM

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i mean kind of

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you still not wanting to stay in faster threats

long ginkgo Dec 15, 2023, 8:10 PM

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reef cobalt https://pokepast.es/5e426a3e2dd672d8

You have a weakness to gliscor here just from looking at it

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:10 PM

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long ginkgo You have a weakness to gliscor here just from looking at it

not really

long ginkgo Dec 15, 2023, 8:10 PM

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Fair

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:10 PM

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rotom , lando is alright

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 8:10 PM

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reef cobalt with swords dance, does excadrill become more of a sweeper then?

It's more of a wallbreaker

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 8:10 PM

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i see

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 8:11 PM

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long ginkgo You have a weakness to gliscor here just from looking at it

if i have a problem with gliscor, would running ice beam on a pokemon be effective?

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:11 PM

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idt u really need

long ginkgo Dec 15, 2023, 8:11 PM

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I mean if you want

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 8:11 PM

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like ice beam on a brave tyranitar or something

long ginkgo Dec 15, 2023, 8:11 PM

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As leo said its managable just has to play smart

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 8:11 PM

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ok!

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 8:12 PM

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Ice Beam is better on Scarf Tar than on bulky Tar

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 8:12 PM

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ok, i see!

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 8:12 PM

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It's a fine move on Tar but what you already have is fine

long ginkgo Dec 15, 2023, 8:12 PM

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upper plume Basically this set but SD > Protect

This

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Not sure why yoy have tect here

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 8:13 PM

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i just had it because it was the recommended set on the website

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sorry if this is a stupid question but if excadrill isnt the sweeper, then which pokemon performs that role, or does my team not need one ?

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:14 PM

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tect can be good to heal a bit

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and scout moves from choice moves

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 8:14 PM

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reef cobalt sorry if this is a stupid question but if excadrill isnt the sweeper, then which...

Scizor and Latios kinda do this

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:14 PM

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but yea if u want to use sd over tect is good aswell

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 8:14 PM

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They're more so cleaners than sweepers

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:15 PM

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reef cobalt sorry if this is a stupid question but if excadrill isnt the sweeper, then which...

sand doesnt rly have a sweeper

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the tier barely has dd stuff

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 8:15 PM

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oh i see! i thought latios was a wallbreaker

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:15 PM

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you usually try to kill every check of a mon

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to it start cleaning

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 8:15 PM

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reef cobalt oh i see! i thought latios was a wallbreaker

Latios can do both

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:15 PM

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reef cobalt oh i see! i thought latios was a wallbreaker

i mean it is

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 8:15 PM

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oh ok!

gritty scaffold Dec 15, 2023, 8:15 PM

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but it can also sweep bc is very fast. you just need to remove its checks

upper plume Dec 15, 2023, 8:15 PM

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If you wanted to have a "real" sweeper you'd put like a Salac Garchomp

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But it requires more support

reef cobalt Dec 15, 2023, 8:17 PM

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ok! thank you!

peak canyon Dec 15, 2023, 9:42 PM

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Gen 8 OU team built around a Tapu Koko/Volcanion offensive core supported by Mienshao; Mienshao lures in and knocks offs/statuses the few specs Volcanion checks (aka Slowking and Slowbro lul) as well as luring in Lando-T to get knocked and worn down for Koko; Koko also lures in Lando-T to allow entry for Volcanion to start punching holes. Ferro and Lando provide a defensive backbone with hazard (clear). Bisharp is meant for priority as when I was testing I struggled versus hyper-offence sheniganery but it hasn't been putting as much work as I wanted it to -- any thoughts? https://pokepast.es/691c25236b281bc2

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tribal smelt Dec 15, 2023, 10:06 PM

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peak canyon Gen 8 OU team built around a Tapu Koko/Volcanion offensive core supported by Mie...

This is an interesting one

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Hm.

tropic schooner Dec 15, 2023, 10:18 PM

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peak canyon Gen 8 OU team built around a Tapu Koko/Volcanion offensive core supported by Mie...

this is very weak to opposing weavile and urshifu rapid frankly, even ttar causes problems cuz mienshao is not bulky, so does blacephalon

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protective pads taunt urshifu over mienshao works better as a slowbro lure, as volcanion needs minimal chip to destroy slowbro

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also checks weavile better

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and is more offensively threatening

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and bisharp isnt that good here in general

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i would like some sort of choice scarf future sight tapu lele over it to help urshifu and volcanion vs toxapex

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if a lele version struggles with pult, weavile or tyranitar also suffice

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weavile knocks off pex which greatly helps volcanion and deals with pult short term while being a good mon

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ttar is just a great stall breaker, which is the only thing volcanion cannot destroy as it could have a blissey or a chansey

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even zeraora might work here honestly, last slot seems very flexible

tribal smelt Dec 15, 2023, 10:24 PM

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When I think misplaced Bisharp the knee jerk reaction is Weavile first and foremost

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TTar does also hit the checkmarks here, banded specifically

tropic schooner Dec 15, 2023, 10:24 PM

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i also dont like body press knock off ferro

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make that boy whip

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you dont want your ferro to long term lose to urshifu do you

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this team might even like spikes over twave, but thats more of a nitpick really

tribal smelt Dec 15, 2023, 10:25 PM

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I don't like knock on lando here since it feels like toxic will net you more benefits across the board vs their birds

tropic schooner Dec 15, 2023, 10:25 PM

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knock is better for dragapult reasons

tribal smelt Dec 15, 2023, 10:26 PM

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True. Assuming this is also a Bandtar situation it helps remove Corvs lefties

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Pairs well with Twave Power whip ferro

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I commend the logic at play here; It is a very sound Mienshao five and highlights the potential strength Mienshao could have.

peak canyon Dec 15, 2023, 10:29 PM

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tribal smelt I commend the logic at play here; It is a very sound Mienshao five and highlight...

if only mienshaos hp and special attack were swapped 😔

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thank u for the advice! ill replace bisharp with ttar, i really wanna make mienshao work and itll prolly be fine on ladder but yeah tauntshifu is objectively a better mon

tropic schooner Dec 15, 2023, 10:31 PM

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To sum it up, the team has a few holes it isnt able to fill due to mienshao and bisharps clear weaknesses even though they are cool ideas. A protective pads taunt set urshifu rapid strike over mienshao is able to annoy slowbro and toxapex to greater degrees as well as even dragonite, while also checking weavile. Bisharp as aforementioned is sadly kinda bad, you have a few options on what to go as last. Tapu lele helps both volcanion and urshifu vs toxapex with a choice scarf future sight set, weavile in general is a good pokemon to slot in, band ttar is able to break stalls that volcanion cant, and zeraora speed checks opposing offense teams. Also pls use whip ferro over body press this loses hard enough to urshifu

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If you use zeraora you can also use a natures madness set on koko and toxic on zeraora

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To help volcanion vs gastrodon

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But yeah hope this helps ^-^

vivid kraken Dec 16, 2023, 1:24 AM

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https://pokepast.es/114568de46bde850

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sm ou

wraith mulch Dec 16, 2023, 1:34 AM

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do it in 1 message

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to ping raters

vivid kraken Dec 16, 2023, 3:56 AM

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ok

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https://pokepast.es/114568de46bde850 sm ou

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vast oracle Dec 16, 2023, 4:38 AM

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vivid kraken https://pokepast.es/114568de46bde850 sm ou

spdef kommo over tornt, gives you a proper water & fire resist against stuff like zardy, volc, heatran, and opposing agren. you can run rocks on it so gliscor can be the defogger instead.
quick attack mlop isnt as necessary in this team since you have agren as another form of speed control. i'd run something like ice punch/PUP/encore instead
flamethrower over bug buzz on volcarona. you def need something for steels, and between agren + wish jirachi + toxic kommo (also potentially encore mlop) then i think the CM mlati matchup is not too bad.

there's prob another variant with weavile to pursuit trap CM mlati instead but if you're going the spikes route with agren then thats fine too

vivid kraken Dec 16, 2023, 4:45 AM

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ok thx

peak canyon Dec 16, 2023, 1:29 PM

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I love building for SSOU, such a fun tier!!! I recently got destroyed on ladder by Sub+NP Rotom-Heat and I was like... lemme build around that. While generally outclassed by Rotom-Wash in most aspects, Rotom-Heat has surprisingly effective offensive and defensive qualities. In particular it absolutely destroys Lando + Ferrothorn cores as it subs up and plots on non-knock Lando, generally it wrecks bulky structures and takes advantage of ground types relying on Toxic to hit non-grounded threats. Zeraora appreciates having these two lured and eliminated while also being able to outspeed and offensively check Dragapult, Rotom-Heats most common check, while also toxicing other grounds like Gastrodon that Rotom-Heat can then stall with substitute. Rotom-Heat also punishes all the common contact punishers. Matching well into Ferrothorn, Static Zapdos, Rocky Helmet water types, and even being able to use Defensive Heatrans as set-up opportunity, Rotom-Heat pairs well with strong physical attackers like Urshifu-Rapid and Melmetal. The team is rounded off with Ferrothorn and Landorus for hazard support, leech support, pivoting, and most importantly hazard removal as Rotom-Heat can't afford to use HDB on a substitute set. I definitely don't think it's perfect and all critiques are accepted but I hope any other gen 8 lovers enjoy these ideas :P
https://pokepast.es/eb01c74c85634fbd

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hazy bronze Dec 16, 2023, 2:57 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7f05cc3b3e71064f I've been playing ladder sm with this team for a while and I think that is very good, some suggests to improve it?

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tropic schooner Dec 16, 2023, 8:14 PM

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peak canyon I love building for SSOU, such a fun tier!!! I recently got destroyed on ladder ...

Even if it may seem nice, wash is just better than heat due to way better defensive typing and stab move, av melm is an unset and should be using leftovers with protect, team has no sd kart check so defog tornadus over ferro and rocks lando works

reef cobalt Dec 16, 2023, 8:26 PM

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reef cobalt https://pokepast.es/5e426a3e2dd672d8

sorry to ask about this again, but i wanted to ask if i should replace scizor or not, since i havent seen many sand teams use it, and im wondering if there are alternatives i should opt for instead or if its alright as is

gritty scaffold Dec 16, 2023, 8:30 PM

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Its up to you

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Me and tbolt clarified to you
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I think u should keep scizor personally as it can pursuit alot of stuff that ttar doesnt enjoy trying as u are saving it for latios

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For example triple psy is annoying for ttar to handle all the psys alone bc will be very chipped , ttar helps you to mainly check latios and other psys but u mostly try kill latios first

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Also scarf scizor can check cloy

reef cobalt Dec 16, 2023, 9:50 PM

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oh i see! thank you!

upper plume Dec 16, 2023, 9:51 PM

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Tldr you can if you want to, we're not ur parents

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I also think that tri psy is basically just cheese

inner mist Dec 17, 2023, 3:13 PM

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reef cobalt oh i see! thank you!

Use Ferro over Sciz since you want a Water resistant

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Tar + Sciz can work but mandates a specific team structure

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Tar Sciz Skarm Rachi Jelli Chomp

gritty scaffold Dec 17, 2023, 3:37 PM

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inner mist Use Ferro over Sciz since you want a Water resistant

what no?

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rotom is already a good water resist

gritty scaffold Dec 17, 2023, 3:38 PM

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inner mist Tar Sciz Skarm Rachi Jelli Chomp

not always

inner mist Dec 18, 2023, 12:21 AM

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gritty scaffold rotom is already a good water resist

Ok but on its own it just gets broken down by Sacred Sword

inner mist Dec 18, 2023, 12:21 AM

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gritty scaffold not always

Wdym?

gritty scaffold Dec 18, 2023, 12:21 AM

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idt you should always use that strucuture

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with scarf scizor specially bc that one u suggested looks like has awful mu vs thundy-t

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and latios is a fine switching into secret sword tho this latios prob would need recover

inner mist Dec 18, 2023, 1:25 AM

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gritty scaffold idt you should always use that strucuture

It's a HO team, with a structure like that being Thundy weak is going to be inevitable

inner mist Dec 18, 2023, 1:25 AM

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gritty scaffold and latios is a fine switching into secret sword tho this latios prob would need...

Ok but what is Scizor doing in a team like that anyways

gritty scaffold Dec 18, 2023, 1:25 AM

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that doesnt look like ho at all. preety sure jelly, ttar isnt used on ho

gritty scaffold Dec 18, 2023, 1:26 AM

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inner mist Ok but what is Scizor doing in a team like that anyways

um dealing with pschic types and trapping them? lol and revenge kill stuff

inner mist Dec 18, 2023, 1:27 AM

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gritty scaffold that doesnt look like ho at all. preety sure jelly, ttar isnt used on ho

Yes it is, Jelli and Tar are staples on Zam HO

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And so is Custap Skarm

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https://pokepast.es/b53fccc07cf4a71f

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This is the team I am talking about

gritty scaffold Dec 18, 2023, 1:28 AM

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that isnt scarf sciz which is what they wanted but alr

inner mist Dec 18, 2023, 1:28 AM

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From what I seen they were asking what to replace Sciz with

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Tar + Sciz works since you aren't sacrificing momentum

gritty scaffold Dec 18, 2023, 1:30 AM

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reef cobalt and i wanted to ask for general advice on how to use this team as well, since iv...

#1060339824537641152 message

inner mist Dec 18, 2023, 1:30 AM

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Not sure why Sciz is even there to begin with

gritty scaffold Dec 18, 2023, 1:30 AM

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i know you want to help but dont need to fuzz something thats been already solved lol me and tbolt already told what they should do as it could confuse him

inner mist Dec 18, 2023, 1:31 AM

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Ok I was just putting my 2 cents in

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I have my own takes too

upper plume Dec 18, 2023, 2:19 AM

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both of you chill

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jelliskarm ho is a known structure

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although I'm not sure why you have both jirachi and scizor tho when they have overlapping jobs

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I also have no issue with gamer putting their thoughts in

long ginkgo Dec 18, 2023, 3:05 AM

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Agree

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He is a rater after all

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His input is as valuable as yours or tbolts or mines

inner mist Dec 18, 2023, 4:09 AM

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upper plume although I'm not sure why you have both jirachi and scizor tho when they have ov...

Technically the point of it is to overload on Latios counters to facilitate a Scarf Chomp Sweep

peak canyon Dec 18, 2023, 8:28 AM

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https://pokepast.es/638217074b9c8e5f gen 7 ou i know this team is a bit weak to fairy types but how do i fix it without replacing bisharp or lati

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gritty scaffold Dec 18, 2023, 10:23 AM

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upper plume both of you chill

Alr then sorry for this mess i made

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long ginkgo Dec 18, 2023, 6:46 PM

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we dont work with doubles here this is for singles OU

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looking at it this is a vgc team so you may have better help in vgc rates?

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https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

upper karma Dec 18, 2023, 6:46 PM

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Ohhh my bad

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thanks man I was so confused lol

gleaming obsidian Dec 19, 2023, 12:15 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b58f36f246ed3691 Gen 7 OU, i think it's bad

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peak canyon Dec 19, 2023, 6:07 AM

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gleaming obsidian https://pokepast.es/b58f36f246ed3691 Gen 7 OU, i think it's bad

I know im not a rater or anything but i was wondering why u didn't use tran

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Instead of clefable

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If u wanted rocks

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It works well with both gren and kart

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And its a better spdf wall imo

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Or would that make the team too fighting weak

leaden fiber Dec 19, 2023, 7:26 AM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/638217074b9c8e5f gen 7 ou i know this team is a bit weak to ...

I don't hate this. What you could do is a scarf trick fini with defog + a scarf healing wish latias, instead of scarf latios.

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And that would somewhat help versus something like a shift gear magearna

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But eh

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I don't especially love an offense like this?

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I think without anything that can boost speed or eat moonblasts really, it's rough.

peak canyon Dec 19, 2023, 7:31 AM

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leaden fiber I don't hate this. What you could do is a scarf trick fini with defog + a scarf ...

Hmm how does scarf healing wish jirachi sound

peak canyon Dec 19, 2023, 9:49 AM

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leaden fiber I don't hate this. What you could do is a scarf trick fini with defog + a scarf ...

Do you think bisharp and lati can make a good core?

vivid kraken Dec 19, 2023, 12:40 PM

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https://pokepast.es/08faf42741db5d17 sm ou

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vivid kraken Dec 20, 2023, 12:22 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9461b889f43df1e7 rby ou

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night bridge Dec 20, 2023, 12:34 AM

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vivid kraken https://pokepast.es/9461b889f43df1e7 rby ou

please don’t send joke teams

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there is literally nothing resembling a real OU thing on that whole team

vivid kraken Dec 20, 2023, 12:35 AM

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my bad tried making something for the tier

night bridge Dec 20, 2023, 12:35 AM

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no you didn’t, this is obvious trolling

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your victreebel has cut

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you’re running double team in a smogon tier

vivid kraken Dec 20, 2023, 12:35 AM

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my bad

kind shadow Dec 20, 2023, 12:37 AM

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ogerooh

topaz needle Dec 20, 2023, 12:39 AM

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Yeah ur useless as fuck @vivid kraken

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Never do something like that again

vivid kraken Dec 20, 2023, 12:39 AM

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u not good luhbro

long ginkgo Dec 20, 2023, 12:40 AM

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Calm down

flint ridge Dec 20, 2023, 1:42 AM

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needs tauros

kind shadow Dec 20, 2023, 11:52 AM

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https://pokepast.es/7b275233c4a4d10c rby overused

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weak mirage Dec 20, 2023, 4:19 PM

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remove me from pings please

sterile jewel Dec 20, 2023, 7:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/98a882c0e602dca6 Is this Gen 8 OU team good? How can I improve it?

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tribal smelt Dec 20, 2023, 7:40 PM

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Pult just needs flamethrower imo

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And lando should be spdef

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A preference I have is to make Kartana scarf on grass spam

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https://pokepast.es/8b6a78253f781b30

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Gives you a lineup like this

hasty ingot Dec 20, 2023, 8:31 PM

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sterile jewel https://pokepast.es/98a882c0e602dca6 Is this Gen 8 OU team good? How can I impro...

ok so the big issue here is that

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lets say your opponent has a tornadus

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and they click knock off

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what you doin

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i think it would be reasonable to say that having both melm and heatran on this team is not good

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too many things that like their items too much

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i would look into replacing, probably heatran, with slowking or slowbro

tropic schooner Dec 20, 2023, 8:32 PM

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Melm + tran works if melm is you know

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The proper set

hasty ingot Dec 20, 2023, 8:32 PM

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not here

tropic schooner Dec 20, 2023, 8:32 PM

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And you have a proper check to urshifu volcanion

hasty ingot Dec 20, 2023, 8:32 PM

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yeh hence me sayin

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slowbro or slowking

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goin on

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melm needs to be 3 attack protect i think

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with lefties

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i mean you have the terrain

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might as well

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slowking i think actually not bro over heatran

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i also dont think you can get away with no removal

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either go no hazards and fog on lando

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or just run a torn over dragapult

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torn also helps vs ferrothorn

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which removing heatran for slowking makes you weak to

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but if you want to keep dragapult, i would suggest flamethrower

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alternatively if you did slowking over melmetal, we need a way to deal with weavile

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running slowking lets your heatran go a more phys def route with flame body, which i think is fine

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something like magma/ep/taunt/rocks with defog on lando

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would also be good

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hopefully that all tracks

cyan owl Dec 20, 2023, 9:26 PM

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random gen 7 Ou team, anything I should change?
https://pokepast.es/0d84545fad7fb89c

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flint ridge Dec 21, 2023, 1:29 AM

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hasty ingot i would look into replacing, probably heatran, with slowking or slowbro

zap>tran ngl

sterile jewel Dec 21, 2023, 2:31 AM

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https://pokepast.es/065518031c9b3260 Updated the team.

tribal smelt Dec 21, 2023, 3:15 AM

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This looks pretty appetizing

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I'm sorry for overlooking that thing earlier and going "yeah its fine"

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Since I've seen a lot of grass spam "fuck it I wing the torn T Volcanion MU" and thought it was par for the course to have melmetal lead and Twave the torn

vivid kraken Dec 21, 2023, 3:55 AM

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https://pokepast.es/18627974a36be211 sm ou

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topaz needle Dec 21, 2023, 5:50 AM

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Weavile fucks

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Offensive clef

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M sciz

topaz needle Dec 21, 2023, 6:11 AM

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Cm mlatias gg

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Sd lando t n chomp can put pressure

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 7:20 PM

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can yall rate this gen 5 ou team

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https://pokepast.es/0e154b21a9a777c8

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 7:46 PM

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I wouldnt recommend sash exca just use lefties

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And why ur using berry on that terrak , id recommend scarf with xscizor over sd , eq over quick attack maybe

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And i wouldnt recommend to use drill to set rocks

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U could use a more defensive lando set

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Dont run mixed evs on reun

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Just go 252 hp , defense

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@inner mist @upper plume thoughts?

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Idk why the bot dindt ping

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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gritty scaffold And why ur using berry on that terrak , id recommend scarf with xscizor over sd ...

the babiri has done some great work i like it tbh

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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gritty scaffold U could use a more defensive lando set

but if its scarf its there to be quick why defensive

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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gritty scaffold I wouldnt recommend sash exca just use lefties

i lead with it most of the time common leads can wreck me easily

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:05 PM

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gritty scaffold And why ur using berry on that terrak , id recommend scarf with xscizor over sd ...

quick attack is busted fr

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but thanks for the advice i´ll see if i´ll change something

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also w pfp

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:06 PM

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barren patrol the babiri has done some great work i like it tbh

Landp is already a good check to scizor but sure ig

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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yeah but babiri is funny yk lmao

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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barren patrol can yall rate this gen 5 ou team

Not high on that terrak or exca set at all

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Babiri is not good at all

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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babiri underrated trust

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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Only helps vs scizor

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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what would you recommend for exca

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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gritty scaffold Only helps vs scizor

thats the funny thing bout it

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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Which u already have a lando to deal

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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barren patrol what would you recommend for exca

Run lefties

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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what bout the ev´s

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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And maybe a bit more of atk ivs and ada nature

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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barren patrol babiri underrated trust

Would rather just have LO

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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i see most of the exca´s are slow af

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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252 atk , 252 speed

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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with mold breaker?

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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Drop quick attack for eq or maybe sub

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On terrak

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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No sand force

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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gritty scaffold No sand force

alr

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adamant on exca?

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:09 PM

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Yea

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:09 PM

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Yea

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Most of the other stuff is fine

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Just take leos and mines tips and change up the team

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:09 PM

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should i keep rapid on exca?

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:09 PM

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Yea

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:09 PM

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alr

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yeah ima experiment with it thank yall

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:10 PM

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Nws

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Btw you need to put the team in the same message as you saying gen 5 ou

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Otherwise it wont ping

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:10 PM

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oh i see

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mb

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:10 PM

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Np

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:13 PM

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also

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for the lando hp ice should i put anything into spatk?

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Nah

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:14 PM

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alright thnaks

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Oh yea make it have hasty nature

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If u use jolly ur hp ice will be a bit weak

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:15 PM

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yeah true

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yeah makes sense

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cus i aint gon be that weak cus of intimidate

gritty scaffold Dec 21, 2023, 8:16 PM

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barren patrol cus i aint gon be that weak cus of intimidate

Oh no wait i misunderstood is Naive nature

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speed , - spdef . Lando isnt gonna take special hits anyway so

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:20 PM

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alright

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so no spdef ev´s?

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:30 PM

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barren patrol https://pokepast.es/0e154b21a9a777c8

This team seems very incoherent

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Like I am not sure what the synergy is between Terrakion and Reuniclus

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If you want to build a team around Reun a good first team would be Tar Glisc Skarm Gastro Reun Zam

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For Terrak Tar Lando Exca Celebi Rotom Terrak works

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:36 PM

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funny u saying this cus reuniclus wins me 90% of my games somehow

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:36 PM

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But that's not the point

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The point is that Terrak + Reun don't work well on the same team

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They do the complete opposite things

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The main issue with Reun teams is that they end up being really weak to Thundy-T (and to a lesser extent, Keldeo)

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:38 PM

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yeah i noticed that

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i have a version with gastrodon

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just a sec

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https://pokepast.es/a6f925723074cf27 gen5 ou

karmic geyserBOT Dec 21, 2023, 8:38 PM

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inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:39 PM

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Ok I don't really understand what you are building around

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Do you want to build a team around Terrakion?

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Cuz in that case

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:40 PM

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inner mist For Terrak Tar Lando Exca Celebi Rotom Terrak works

Follow this core

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:40 PM

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yeah but then shi is like a sample team isnt it

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:40 PM

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I don't see it in the samples

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:41 PM

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i know but you are basically giving me a team i asked for advice not a new team

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:41 PM

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Ok but the problem is that this team doesn't really work

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It's just really ground weak

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:41 PM

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i appreciate it dont get me wrong but i wanna use the team that i have (a mon change or som wont hurt ofc) i asked for tweaks not a new team

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:41 PM

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inner mist Ok but the problem is that this team doesn't really work

till now works fine

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:42 PM

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inner mist It's just really ground weak

lando´s doing alright

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:42 PM

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Alright then explain your teambuilding process so I can help you better

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:42 PM

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idk i saw some dude use babiri terrakion

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so i wanted to build around himn

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i thought but tar cus sand and all of that

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then i added lando (specifially scarf) cus i wanted to use it

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:43 PM

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Babiri Terrakion is really specific against Scizor and is completely useless against everything else

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:43 PM

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inner mist Babiri Terrakion is really specific against Scizor and is completely useless aga...

yeah but thats kind of funny idk

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:43 PM

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Rak in general has too many weaknesses for a specific resist berry to be any good

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:43 PM

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then i added exca cus of rapid and stealth rock

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:43 PM

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inner mist Rak in general has too many weaknesses for a specific resist berry to be any goo...

ive been in many endgames where babiri carried me its funny lmao

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:44 PM

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You mean in low ladder

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:44 PM

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yeah

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then zam cus he is kinda funny with sash and m guard

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:44 PM

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Well that's not reliable cuz you can win with anything there

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:44 PM

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then i added reuniclus cus he is cool

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then i created a sec version cus i was weak to keldeo and oher waters with gastro cus he fits well with sand imm and water absorb

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:45 PM

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When I mentioned that six the only changes I am really suggesting is Bi + Rotom over Gastro + Zam

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Cuz you need a more sturdy core against Rain

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:45 PM

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what is bi?

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:45 PM

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Celebi

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:45 PM

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oh

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wait lemme create another version rq

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rotom water i guess right

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:46 PM

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Rotom-Wash yeah

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:46 PM

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bith lefties?

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:46 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c375b429b1d1287d

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This was the team I had in mind

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It's not really that different to what you have, you can customize the Rak to whatever

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I still don't really think Babiri Berry Tak is all that practical in serious play

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:47 PM

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is scarf rotom viable?

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idk seems like a bulky mon kinda surprising seeing scarf

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:47 PM

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Well it's there cuz you sort of need speed control

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But it's not necessary

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:47 PM

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yeah

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did you change lando ev´s?

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:48 PM

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Lando is your Physical check

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You need it to be Defense invested to take beatings

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:48 PM

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i should make it a bit slower right

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303 is kinda unnecessary i think

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:49 PM

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Well that's up to you

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:49 PM

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i had 303 with scarf cus it outspeed scarf exca i think

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yeah ima make him more bulky on this version

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:50 PM

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Issue with Scarf Lando is that it can invite Cloy in for SS

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Which is especially bad in your previous team cuz it really has no measures of beating it

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:51 PM

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yeah

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i faced it a few times but never had any problems with it

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kinda weird now that i look at it bh

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tbh

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:51 PM

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Yeah I forgot to mention that Rotom-W also brings a Cloy check

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:51 PM

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qa terrak doesnt do shit even at -2 i think

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM

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252 Atk Choice Band Terrakion Quick Attack vs. -2 252 HP / 200+ Def Rotom-Wash: 93-110 (30.5 - 36.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM

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yeah

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM

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Cloy also runs White Herb sometimes making the calc even worse

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM

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but i wasnt cb i was babiri

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM

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inner mist Cloy also runs White Herb sometimes making the calc even worse

yeah yeah

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM

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Well then you are even weaker

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM

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tf how did i deal with this mon

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yeah lmao

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM

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You see what I mean when I say Babiri isn't as good as you think it is?

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM

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im gonna go naive 132 speed lando to outspeed max speed exca

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:53 PM

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inner mist You see what I mean when I say Babiri isn't as good as you think it is?

i never said it was good just funny

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:53 PM

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Like at least Air Balloon works cuz it gives you a spikes immunity

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It would be "funny" if it was actually practical

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:53 PM

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it is trust

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lmao

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:53 PM

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Again like I said it's use only extends to Scizor in serious games

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Using low ladder is not a reliable metric at all

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:54 PM

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i think it also saved me from gyro ferro once

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why is exca 290 speed is there som bout it or just random

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:55 PM

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You need it to outspeed Jolly Mamo

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:55 PM

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barren patrol i never said it was good just funny

if your here to not take our advice dont post your teams here

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:55 PM

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I actually forgot about Gyro Ferro lol

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Well most of the time Ferro just Power Whips you

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:55 PM

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long ginkgo if your here to not take our advice dont post your teams here

i never said that i wont take advice btw

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:55 PM

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inner mist Well most of the time Ferro just Power Whips you

yeah

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:56 PM

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long ginkgo if your here to not take our advice dont post your teams here

also i am listening to some advice rn so idk man

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or woman

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:56 PM

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You seem really argumentative

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About Babiri Rak

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:56 PM

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yeah maybe

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LMAO

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idk its just so funny somehow

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babiri rak is the new meta trust

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:57 PM

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Like yeah it might be funny in a few games but trust me there are far more practical items

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:57 PM

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there is

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as leo said either use Scarf on terrak or if u rly want to keep sd use lo

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:58 PM

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Scarf Terrak is actually pretty bad

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:58 PM

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yeah we are talking bout a team with band

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:58 PM

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You usually use Band if you want to use Terrak

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:58 PM

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hey it was leo who it bought it up iirc

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:58 PM

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SD does not have a good item

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:58 PM

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babiri berry

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:58 PM

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Yeah I don't always agree with Leo's suggestions

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:59 PM

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im jk btw

long ginkgo Dec 21, 2023, 8:59 PM

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inner mist SD does not have a good item

i mean you could run lum or lo if thats the route your going

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:59 PM

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Lum seems sort of decent but most of the time you are just dying to a swift breeze

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:59 PM

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somehow tera seams so frail idk

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bro dies to every hit

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:59 PM

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And against HO you just die to priority

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 8:59 PM

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so i dont see lo

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 8:59 PM

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LO just wears you down

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Not ideal

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I think Papaya berry could work v some Zam teams

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Or maybe even Passho berry if you want to throw off something like Keld Sand or Gastrodon

barren patrol Dec 21, 2023, 9:02 PM

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alr ima try your team i made a few tweaks in ev´s

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thanks for the advice

inner mist Dec 21, 2023, 9:02 PM

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np np

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