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peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:54 AM

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its been a while since i was invovled with that meta but that was what i created after experimenting a bit its probably awful lmao

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:54 AM

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Nature? Ik I gotta hit pert hard

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:55 AM

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i would prob do -def +atk

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u can put some evs in spatk for grass damage

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just a bit

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less than 100

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hera doesnt really work on spikes teams

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without support

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also your evs are a mess

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i recommend editing from the skarm bliss pert tar gar mie sample team

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:57 AM

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ah ok

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is there a link for it

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:57 AM

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go to the adv forum and find the sample teams thread

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:57 AM

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k

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is there a reason why hera doesnt do well on spikes teams

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does he just not need spikes

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because of how hard he hits already

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 7:00 AM

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it's because hera is especially weak to spikes and targets all the wrong mons

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 7:00 AM

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ahhh

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 7:01 AM

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some theorems-

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if u spike, expect to get spiked back

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ur laying spikes to target grounded mons, so u should use mons that hit floating mons well

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roughly speaking

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 7:10 AM

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@polar nacelle would you on that team replace swampert with suicine

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for calm mind + hydro pump + ice beam + hp grass

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or honestly its probably really redundant since starmie is there lol

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yeah not much i can really do i think that sample team covers what i was going for

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 7:27 AM

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Yeah if u dont know what ur doing its best to just edit from sample teams for ur first teambuilding experience

upper plume Nov 12, 2023, 7:31 AM

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polar nacelle i recommend editing from the skarm bliss pert tar gar mie sample team

!gen3samples

karmic geyserBOT Nov 12, 2023, 7:31 AM

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granite skiff Nov 12, 2023, 6:03 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1410352d8db72c9a

slender mango Nov 12, 2023, 6:08 PM

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A gen 5 team based a little on sand

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 6:10 PM

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please send pokepaste and specify gen

slender mango Nov 12, 2023, 6:11 PM

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I put there gen 5

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 6:11 PM

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sigh fine is just that you wont ping the team raters if u dont post the pokepaste specifying. But im team rater of bw ou so ig this will work

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 6:13 PM

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slender mango A gen 5 team based a little on sand

first of all use chople berry on this tyranitar , super power over eq. also use sash zam here. maybe use rock slide over stone edge because stone edge can miss alot

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also change the evs from gliscor to same as the set from the analisis on smog

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use protect over rock slide on that exca

slender mango Nov 12, 2023, 6:17 PM

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I was thinking of putting thudner Wave to ferrothorn

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Maybe 2 attacks is to much but idk

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 6:17 PM

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nah u will need

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gyro works very well vs stuff like kyurem black

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outrage from other dragons like dnite

slender mango Nov 12, 2023, 6:18 PM

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So the rest of the team is fine then

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Just those changes

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 6:18 PM

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and helps vs tornadus

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 6:18 PM

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slender mango So the rest of the team is fine then

yea

slender mango Nov 12, 2023, 6:18 PM

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Thx

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 6:19 PM

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np just remenber next time to post pokepaste and specifying the gen

slender mango Nov 12, 2023, 6:19 PM

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Alright

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I was also thinking if putting toxic instead of roar on heatran

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But i'm not sure

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 6:20 PM

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i think roar is good to phaze out mons that would otherwise switch at you and you force even more chip

slender mango Nov 12, 2023, 6:20 PM

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Well ok

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Thanks for the advice

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 6:21 PM

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np

upper plume Nov 12, 2023, 6:32 PM

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slender mango A gen 5 team based a little on sand

I would go with a Scarf Tyranitar here

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Unless leoperi recommended a different Scarfer

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You also need a Keldeo check (I'd recommend Latios)

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This team is also really weak to Mamoswine

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So maybe Jellicent as a Keldeo check

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And then maybe Scarf Tar to somewhat deal with offensive Thundy T

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Sash Alakazam can be a way of dealing with these faster Pokemon but remember that Sash will only activate once

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Plus Zam does switch into anything

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*does not

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 7:13 PM

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actually yea scarf prob fits here better. but i suggested chople bc i am worried about reuni mu tho

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honestly i think prob could use physical skarm over ferro and use scarf latios over glisc to check keld

upper plume Nov 12, 2023, 7:18 PM

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agreed

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if you run scarf tyranitar then you don't have to run latios as your scarfer

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 7:18 PM

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even though u will stack hazard

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this team is also weak to lando

upper plume Nov 12, 2023, 7:18 PM

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can run specs or cm or something like that

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oh true

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it's hard to build a team that's not weak to lando

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without like

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a rocky helmet pokemon

gritty scaffold Nov 12, 2023, 7:19 PM

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and with protect u can scout cb mamo moves

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which with skarm u can pivot quite easily

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with skarm and heatran

safe delta Nov 12, 2023, 7:59 PM

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!gen8samples

karmic geyserBOT Nov 12, 2023, 7:59 PM

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granite skiff Nov 12, 2023, 8:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1410352d8db72c9a

steep ruin Nov 13, 2023, 11:07 AM

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Can someone rate this gen 7 OU team

https://pokepast.es/3a4dc72019fb4da8

karmic geyserBOT Nov 13, 2023, 11:07 AM

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New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vast oracle Nov 13, 2023, 11:42 AM

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steep ruin Can someone rate this gen 7 OU team https://pokepast.es/3a4dc72019fb4da8

you need stronger hazard control if you're running volc, even if HO. i'd suggest either running lead exca over lando-t or utility serp over ashgren (both together is also an option)
galvantula is unviable, so i'd rather run another setup sweeper like hawlucha, belly drum kommoo, or magearna
run lum or iapapa berry on volcarona to ease setup instead. can also run hp ground over giga drain to hit toxapex and heatran, especially if you go with the serp route to cover the bulky waters. // edit: depending on what last mon you decide to run, if no one else has a z crystal yet then volc can potentially run it. for example, firium z is good if you still decided to keep fire blast, but buginium z is also fine

steep ruin Nov 13, 2023, 11:43 AM

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Alright

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Thx a lot for the help

gritty scaffold Nov 13, 2023, 3:53 PM

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We dont rate teams of metagames that dont exist on showdown or official formats

strong raft Nov 13, 2023, 3:54 PM

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kindasus

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Ok

hollow saddle Nov 14, 2023, 9:07 AM

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@pliant rock

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Here

upper plume Nov 14, 2023, 6:33 PM

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gen 3 ou, I wanted to experiment with choice band flygon but it's really hard to use, and it felt like I needed to give it a lot of support
https://pokepast.es/a4be7f3c87df8efa

upper plume Nov 14, 2023, 6:52 PM

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I also have a spikeless version with agiligross last but I'm not happy with either

upper plume Nov 14, 2023, 7:10 PM

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yeah this team is just too weak to fire types

bitter crag Nov 14, 2023, 9:57 PM

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!gen7samples

karmic geyserBOT Nov 14, 2023, 9:57 PM

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tepid shell Nov 14, 2023, 10:42 PM

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I just want the sample teams for gen 5

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!gen5samples

karmic geyserBOT Nov 14, 2023, 10:42 PM

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bitter crag Nov 14, 2023, 11:13 PM

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https://pokepast.es/66cd2ae60f78df47
gen 7 OU

karmic geyserBOT Nov 14, 2023, 11:13 PM

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New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vast oracle Nov 15, 2023, 2:02 AM

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bitter crag https://pokepast.es/66cd2ae60f78df47 gen 7 OU

I prefer lefties on exca if it's the sole hazard removal on the team for the longevity to spin hazards away, especially on zardY structures.
also lack of SD kart switchins, which the mon in general usually forces how sand is built in sm (with things like tangrowth+celest, celest+tornt, celest+zapdos, etc). you can prob go with bulky tornt over scarf lele; potential zmove user if you run lefties exca & potential secondary hazard removal if you go with z move exca.
knock/twave over gyro on ferro to cripple stuff like heatran, celest, and mlati, which helps your offensive core greatly.
if you want to keep the team more offensive with the scarf lele (since you have eject pex), i'd recommend running natures madness over one of the coverage moves instead (chips heatran & spdef mage better, and forces a chansey switchin to softboiled which gives ttar free entry to pursuit it) and definitely go with twave ferro in this one so it's not complete fodder for kart.

flint ridge Nov 15, 2023, 11:14 PM

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Ground resist dire

karmic geyserBOT Nov 16, 2023, 12:33 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

kind shadow Nov 16, 2023, 12:33 AM

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Wait FUCK

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Wrong team

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1 sec

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https://pokepast.es/bb5bd4c577211240

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Actual BW OU

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 1:54 AM

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kind shadow https://pokepast.es/bb5bd4c577211240

Peng gave some advice about this team but I will just chime in here.

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Breloom and Jellicent are kind of redundant here since they are basically Scald Swaps.

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From the looks of this team it seems like you are trying to do something Psyspam related

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In that case, I would recommend using something like

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Tar Skarm Glisc Jelli Lati Zam

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Skarm/Glisc > Ferro/Loom since your team is kind of iffy against opposing Grounds

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Especially Landorus-T

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Reun and Jelli don't really work together since they compound weaknesses against Thundy-T

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So if you want to use Reun then you should have Gastro > Jelli as your Bulky Water to patch up that weakness

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You can even do something a bit more unorthodox like

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Hippo Clef Skarm Zong Lati Reun

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That has been used a lot on Monai's invitational

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 2:01 AM

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slender mango A gen 5 team based a little on sand

Rocks Tran is not very good imo

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See the advice I gave to Cake above since I feel like it applies a lot as this team seems to be built around Zam

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 2:19 AM

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Why is ur latios so serious?

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 2:23 AM

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Oh yeah I just missed that lol

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 3:42 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/joker-why-so-serious-serious-gif-11972349

Tenor

indigo iron Nov 16, 2023, 6:30 AM

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https://pokepast.es/aeb85b32e06bbc48 can someone help me fix this team

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This is a gen 6 ou team

fallow grail Nov 16, 2023, 8:07 AM

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Hey guys, i have been working on this gen 7 team. The base idea is Thorn + pex + Zap as the deffensiv core of the Team and cleaf to deal with nasty set up sweeper like manaphy and to help keep Thorn alive. Mag is there to delete hazard seters in general and to help with mega scizor, but i am struggling with the last teammate. Any suggestions?
https://pokepast.es/bfbcccca2dd99c71

karmic geyserBOT Nov 16, 2023, 8:07 AM

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New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

fallow grail Nov 16, 2023, 8:10 AM

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indigo iron https://pokepast.es/aeb85b32e06bbc48 can someone help me fix this team

I think bravebird makes more sense then acrobatics, if you want to keep talonflame. You have prio roost to heal of the dmg and you get to have an item on it.

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 8:16 AM

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nah acro is on the sample

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anyway we don't really have oras raters

karmic geyserBOT Nov 16, 2023, 8:17 AM

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upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 8:17 AM

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so I recommend you go to the oras server to get your team rated ^

vast oracle Nov 16, 2023, 11:08 AM

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fallow grail Hey guys, i have been working on this gen 7 team. The base idea is Thorn + pex +...

Fyi we dont really rate incomplete teams in general (rule 4 #1030567099703242903 message) and would fit better discussing em in compgen. Either way, best last would probably be SD gliscor. Fits your current bulky archetype, gives you a ground and heatran answer that you currently lack, and works well with zone to remove its steel answers (scarf set should always run timid btw, so you can outspeed and trap kartana, which would otherwise threaten the team if it's SD).

some alternatives to consider:

knock over gyro on ferro to cripple stuff like heatran for clef and also removes shed shell from skarm for zone.
toxic over tspikes on pex to cripple mlatias for sd gliscor.

brazen nest Nov 16, 2023, 11:18 AM

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https://pokepast.es/72b6a00029c52a81

Is this team bad or good?

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Gen 7 OU

fallow grail Nov 16, 2023, 11:47 AM

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vast oracle Fyi we dont really rate incomplete teams in general (rule 4 https://discord.com/...

Thank you for the answer! 😄 And sry, i had forgotten, that one is not supposed to post incomplete teams here.

vast oracle Nov 16, 2023, 12:37 PM

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brazen nest https://pokepast.es/72b6a00029c52a81 Is this team bad or good?

cb weavile + scarf kart + fini is fine, but the other 3 needs changing since they're either very specific (mega slowbro, especially cause you already have a fini as your bulky water for what i assume to be a more offensive team), near-unviable (mimikyu), or straight up unviable (shaymin). since it requires completely changing half the team, i'd suggest building the team up again from the aforementioned 3 and familiarize yourself with the metagame

bitter crag Nov 16, 2023, 1:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/64fcf8d099e8dc65
gen 7 OU

brazen nest Nov 16, 2023, 1:39 PM

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vast oracle cb weavile + scarf kart + fini is fine, but the other 3 needs changing since the...

I tired that team , I wasn't feeling any good

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https://pokepast.es/9d6544e82aba5e84

Gen 7 OU

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Made a new team

gritty scaffold Nov 16, 2023, 1:48 PM

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I think u both should build up again even though im not a sm rater think about the synergy that those mons share when building and not just dumping random mons together expecting them to work . Think about the roles of each mon in the team , the type of team that it is to see if they work well together

brazen nest Nov 16, 2023, 2:36 PM

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Hmmm 👍🏿

gritty scaffold Nov 16, 2023, 2:37 PM

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Your team has some weird sets aswell

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I wouldnt recommend fini with both 252 def , spdef id suggest follow analysis . Dnite shouldnt be special preety sure is always dd

vast oracle Nov 16, 2023, 2:42 PM

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bitter crag https://pokepast.es/64fcf8d099e8dc65 gen 7 OU

mabsol isnt the most viable mega but if you want to make it work here then it's fine.

lead exca over mamo. aside from mamo being a niche choice in general, you need the extra hazard removal for dnite (set is in smogdex)
terrakion is unviable. If you want a scarfer then victini with final gambit as an offense enabler is prob better, gives you an immediate wallbreaking tool to remove a foe & go 5v5 (especially if you can remove smth like unaclef)
iron tail over prough on mabsol to hit fairies like bulu and clef (luring the latter helps dnite greatly)
make dnite DD over cb, something like eq/fire punch + espeed + outrage/ice punch with WP/lum
make azu belly drum with sitrus berry
tbolt over flash cannon on mage for pex

vast oracle Nov 16, 2023, 2:45 PM

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brazen nest https://pokepast.es/9d6544e82aba5e84 Gen 7 OU

yeah this is even worse than your last one, a lot of the mons and sets are bad which made the team pretty unsalvageable. i'd recommend familiarizing yourself with the metagame first before trying to teambuild, which you can do by using a sample team and play the metagame yourself, watch tour games, and read resources (analyses, articles, etc)

gritty scaffold Nov 16, 2023, 2:46 PM

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Oh dindt thought mabsol is viable mb then royal

vast oracle Nov 16, 2023, 2:48 PM

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not that viable but people have experimented with it before

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just an offensive mbouncer like mdia but only fits on HO really

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for the setup-and-attack type with prio for opposing offense

brazen nest Nov 16, 2023, 3:01 PM

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vast oracle yeah this is even worse than your last one, a lot of the mons and sets are bad w...

Okay 💀

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 3:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5f42460f43fd62be Gen 5 OU

karmic geyserBOT Nov 16, 2023, 3:22 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 3:47 PM

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brisk dagger https://pokepast.es/5f42460f43fd62be Gen 5 OU

May I ask what you are trying to build around?

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 3:49 PM

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well i started off with gliscar, then was like ok I need a sweerpe so I put d nite, then I said okay im weak to ice I nead a 4x ice resis so I put empy, then I was like oaky I need a counter to phychioc and ghost and a weather setter would be nice so ttar pursuit trap, I needed a spinner so I put cloystaer in there as another ice resis and then I wasnt sure what to add for a last so I just slapped reun in there

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 3:50 PM

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Hmm

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Maybe a better idea would be to build around Dragonite

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Some ideas about good Nite teams would be

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Chomp Loom Volc Mie Sciz Nite

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Cuz it seems like this team doesn’t really have any synergy at all

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Gliscor isn’t really a mon you would build around, moreso a support mon

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The Ice weakness is made up with a bunch of hard hitters that deny Mamo and Cloy any entry

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And Starmie is the Spinner ofc

gritty scaffold Nov 16, 2023, 3:55 PM

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I would remove empoleon , dont use cloy spin

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Use latios scarf over empoleon , exca over cloy

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Maybe rotom wash over dnite bc idt its even good on sand because breaks scale t1

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Ok so you have Tar Glisc Rotom Latios Reun Drill then

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I am kind of iffy about this since this team doesn’t have Spikes

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Maybe Ferro over Drill since this team doesn’t really need spin

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It’s a bit iffy into Keld but that can be played around

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 4:01 PM

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You don't really build around stealth rock gliscor

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it's more so a supporter for other Pokemon on teams that are already resilient to passive damage

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:01 PM

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^

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 4:02 PM

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It's like saying "I'm gonna build around blissey" and now all you have in your builder is a fat blob

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:02 PM

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Well Blissey itself isn’t really that good in Gen 5 anyways but yeah

gritty scaffold Nov 16, 2023, 4:03 PM

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upper plume it's more so a supporter for other Pokemon on teams that are already resilient t...

Kinda like fat builds such as hippo u say?

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:04 PM

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Well most Hippos runs Rocks themselves so having SR Glisc is p redundant there

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I honestly don’t think SR Glisc is that good

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 4:05 PM

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https://pokepast.es/901ff76f1654955c this?

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:05 PM

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Yeah this seems better

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Maybe Zam > Reun since this team is kind of slow

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 4:05 PM

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i replaced thunderwave on ferro

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would zam help the team being weak to u turn

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 4:07 PM

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what's your plan against volcarona?

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 4:07 PM

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cry?

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 4:07 PM

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I think you go rock slide > twave on tyranitar

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 4:08 PM

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rock slide over stone edge?

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 4:08 PM

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yes

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:08 PM

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If you are worried about Volc then you could run something like

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 4:08 PM

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you'd rather go for accuracy

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:08 PM

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Tar Skarm Glisc Jelli Lati Zam

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Since keeping rocks up is really important against Volc

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 4:11 PM

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to many steel is weak to magnezone

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tbh i see zoen 10x more often then volc

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:11 PM

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Zone isn’t really a threat though

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 4:12 PM

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you have a scarf latios

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dragmag isn't a significant issue for you

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:12 PM

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Amd besides you have numerous ways to pressure it

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Skarm basically WWs Zone away

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And Ferro can easily tech with stuff like Explosion

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 4:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5a4f4d7d7a07ae2f ?

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:14 PM

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Yeah this is decent

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He also have a BW discord if you want to join

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You can get further advice there

karmic geyserBOT Nov 16, 2023, 4:15 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

gritty scaffold Nov 16, 2023, 4:16 PM

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Here

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 4:28 PM

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would it be good to add magen onto the team somewhere

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people always switch in a steel type or ttar for latios

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magne can take out the latios counter and allow it to sweep

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 4:31 PM

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Whose Magne?

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Oh you mean Zone

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Well the point of Lati here is to weaken Tar/Steels for Zam/Reun late game sweep

gritty scaffold Nov 16, 2023, 4:37 PM

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brisk dagger people always switch in a steel type or ttar for latios

Not always , some steels arent weak to zone

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Like shed shell skarm , jirachi.

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Magnezone also just fits ho

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 7:10 PM

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i think this team needs a spinner

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 7:17 PM

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this team is comfortable playing with spikes

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if anything, the only change I may make is air balloon jellicent

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but that's for aggressive offensive teams

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which this team doesn't exactly appear

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 7:20 PM

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should I make skarm a pure def wall with rocky helm?

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 7:23 PM

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No, you need Skarm for Psychics

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 7:28 PM

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you go physdef skarm on teams that are already solid vs psychics

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which this team isn't

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 7:29 PM

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I thought ttar was for psychics and ghosts?

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 7:30 PM

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tyranitar isn't a great sole check to psychics

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think about how your team operates

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you have both a latios and an alakazam

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they are both paired with hazards

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and you have a spinblocker to make spinning difficult

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most tyranitar sets don't have leftovers

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and even if it did, once rocks and spikes are down they tend to overpower leftovers anywho

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thus, skarmory acting as a spikes-immune soft check to the psychics to assist tyranitar is invaluable

brisk dagger Nov 16, 2023, 7:41 PM

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upper plume most tyranitar sets don't have leftovers

idk what this means

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my ttar has berry

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not leftovers

upper plume Nov 16, 2023, 7:41 PM

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yeah

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so do other tyranitars

inner mist Nov 16, 2023, 8:08 PM

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brisk dagger my ttar has berry

Chople Tar is standard for Zam and Reun

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And Tar can't take on multiple Psychics at once

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That's what SpDef Skarm is for

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Skarm also has recovery which is crucial for stalling Zam if Tar is down

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 6:26 AM

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https://pokepast.es/4e83a4ce64d89874

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Gen 3 OU

hollow elm Nov 17, 2023, 11:50 AM

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my first pp stalling match

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in gen3

gritty scaffold Nov 17, 2023, 12:33 PM

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You cant post random images here

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This thread is exclusively to post teams

gritty scaffold Nov 17, 2023, 12:41 PM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/4e83a4ce64d89874

Since the bot dindt ping i suggest u ping 1 of the team raters of that gen in #1024432517077540904 on the competitive helper list

brazen nest Nov 17, 2023, 12:56 PM

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https://pokepast.es/008c26fc3efd1d82

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If any replacement suggestion then please tell or have a better team please provide

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Tournament is tomorrow 😭

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@vast oracle

gritty scaffold Nov 17, 2023, 1:06 PM

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Why speed evs on reun

vast oracle Nov 17, 2023, 1:07 PM

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For pex

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I’ll take a look at the team once i get home

brazen nest Nov 17, 2023, 1:59 PM

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Should I replace earthquake of tyranitar with Electric punch for type coverage??

gritty scaffold Nov 17, 2023, 2:31 PM

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Idt is worth

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Because basically means something like excadrill can just kill you. Tpunch doesnt even hit that hard most waters and u stone edge hits most flying mons very hard

vast oracle Nov 17, 2023, 3:14 PM

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brazen nest https://pokepast.es/008c26fc3efd1d82

Definitely looks solid yea, just 1 major change and some minor ones:

Make landot into a sand rush exca instead. gives you your speed control with mttar's sand and hazard removal with rapid spin that fits better than defog if you want to stack spikes w ferro.
make mttar the pursuit + stealth rock set instead. you want to pressure & pursuit trap mlati for both keldeo and reuni, as well as zapdos and slowbro for excadrill, being the support of the team instead of a DD sweeper.
lefties on subcm keldeo (waterium z is better with taunt)
with spin exca as your removal, you can run another move over defog on torn-t; taunt or heat wave are fine options
if you want to, you can run your Z on reuni (z psychic or z fight, or even other coverage move other than focus blast like z electric + thunder or z grass + energy ball, which has their merits here) or torn-t (z fly)

brazen nest Nov 17, 2023, 4:40 PM

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vast oracle Definitely looks solid yea, just 1 major change and some minor ones: - Make land...

switch landrous-t into a sand rush excadrill with rapid spin and stealth Rock
change of settings Tyranitar-Mega from dragon dance sweeper to pursuit , other part I didn't understand
leftovers on sub calm mind keldeo
change tornadous defog to heat wave
I'll change reuniclus Rocky helmet to fighting type z - crystal for chansey

vast oracle Nov 17, 2023, 4:41 PM

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give stealth rock to mega tyranitar instead. you can run swords dance on the excadrill + leftovers as the item.

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chansey isn't a threat to reuniclus since you can just setup freely on it so that's not really the target you're going for

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plus you have psyshock, which hits chansey very hard already after a couple of boosts

brazen nest Nov 17, 2023, 4:44 PM

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Ngl I forgot that I had psyschock 💀

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So for reuni what item should I use

vast oracle Nov 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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fightinium z is okay but chansey isn't the target for you to hit it with; mostly for the accurate nuke against dark & steel types that would otherwise take on your psyshock

brazen nest Nov 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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Thanks for your help

brazen nest Nov 17, 2023, 5:58 PM

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Tornadus-Therian (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

Hurricane
U-turn
Heat Wave
Knock Off

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

Spikes
Leech Seed
Gyro Ball
Power Whip

Reuniclus @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Calm Mind
Psyshock
Focus Blast
Recover

Tyranitar-Mega @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 24 HP / 252 Atk / 148 Def / 84 SpD
Adamant Nature

Stealth Rock
Stone Edge
Pursuit
Fire Punch

Keldeo @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

Calm Mind
Scald
Secret Sword
Substitute

Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Swords Dance
Earthquake
Iron Head
Poison Jab

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gritty scaffold Nov 17, 2023, 8:00 PM

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yea that works im unsure why the bot dindt worked yesterday. Oh wait i think u posted the pokepaste without mentioning the gen before so prob thats why dindt ping.

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 8:34 PM

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gritty scaffold yea that works im unsure why the bot dindt worked yesterday. Oh wait i think u p...

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bitter crag Nov 17, 2023, 10:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5700f99e2f946f7a
gen 7 OU

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polar nacelle Nov 17, 2023, 11:07 PM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/4e83a4ce64d89874 Gen 3 OU

Use mixrachi on this

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Some set like hp fight thunder ice punch psychic

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Then make zapdos bulky instead of fast. It helps u with mixmence

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With a heracross u might want baton pass on zap instead of roar

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For zam u can try a breaker set like subpunch psy fire

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U can also give pert full hp but also quiet and spatk investment

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Finally probably ddmence so that u can sweep smth

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 11:15 PM

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polar nacelle Use mixrachi on this

you mind sending me a pokepaste with the changes to my team?

polar nacelle Nov 17, 2023, 11:20 PM

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peak canyon you mind sending me a pokepaste with the changes to my team?

Im not on my computer

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 11:20 PM

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polar nacelle Im not on my computer

oh okay

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 11:33 PM

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polar nacelle Use mixrachi on this

this good?
https://pokepast.es/f8b5730c9a8f7fb4

polar nacelle Nov 17, 2023, 11:36 PM

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peak canyon this good? https://pokepast.es/f8b5730c9a8f7fb4

U need enough atk on rachi to 2hko max hp ttar with leftovers

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On zap its good to have at least 244 (the stat, not evs) speed

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But having 270 can be helpful too

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On hera sub is useless if ur not using focus punch

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 11:37 PM

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polar nacelle U need enough atk on rachi to 2hko max hp ttar with leftovers

make it modest?

polar nacelle Nov 17, 2023, 11:37 PM

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Modest lowers ur atk

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Also lead rachi doesnt have to be fast

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More impt to have bulk

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Just use the calc to figure out how much atk u need

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Hydro pump > protect on pert

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Give pert enough speed to outrun bliss

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Leftovers on zam

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 11:39 PM

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polar nacelle Modest lowers ur atk

is Naughty on rachi good?

polar nacelle Nov 17, 2023, 11:40 PM

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U wanna mainly invest in spatk not atk

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So no

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 11:40 PM

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then what nature?

polar nacelle Nov 17, 2023, 11:40 PM

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Also prob adamant on hera

polar nacelle Nov 17, 2023, 11:41 PM

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peak canyon then what nature?

U can prob try + spatk - def

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 11:42 PM

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polar nacelle U can prob try + spatk - def

https://pokepast.es/9049dfcca2e40398

polar nacelle Nov 17, 2023, 11:44 PM

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Quiet swampert please

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With enough speed for bliss

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Use -def on zam

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U prob want more bulk less speed on rachi

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I mean less atk

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Atk is rly just for ttar

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But make rachi faster than maybe 250

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So that u can outspeed the fastest claydol

peak canyon Nov 17, 2023, 11:48 PM

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polar nacelle So that u can outspeed the fastest claydol

https://pokepast.es/982dd407bf2493ee

polar nacelle Nov 17, 2023, 11:51 PM

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Use the calc please

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I dont want to keep repeating myself

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Zapdos speed. Rachi atk. Pert speed

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Zams atk prob need to do something to try to 2hko bliss as well with focus punch

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U will have to see. It might be hard for that one.

vast oracle Nov 18, 2023, 12:08 AM

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brazen nest Tornadus-Therian (M) @ Rocky Helmet Ability: Regenerator EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def...

Rapid spin over poison jab on excadrill, crunch over fire punch on mega tyranitar (also, idk what that ev spread does but there’s a standard one onsite)

peak canyon Nov 18, 2023, 12:18 AM

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polar nacelle U will have to see. It might be hard for that one.

https://pokepast.es/1b39c80c9bfd32c8?

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?

polar nacelle Nov 18, 2023, 12:53 AM

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polar nacelle With enough speed for bliss

^

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its also good for zam to be at least 300 speed or 331+ speed i think

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check the speed tiers

vast oracle Nov 18, 2023, 1:28 AM

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bitter crag https://pokepast.es/5700f99e2f946f7a gen 7 OU

Nothing can ohko lele immediately and looks like it just clicks. can maybe try mage or bisharp over kommoo to alleviate some of this issue (especially since you have the fighting coverage from mgall + z fight thundyt already) and fits generally well with the team offensively, but makes your team more vulnerable to stuff like agren and volc. Just something to think about but not really a hard change. Either way, unless there're any specific issues then this looks fine as is for a webs team

brazen nest Nov 18, 2023, 2:32 AM

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vast oracle Rapid spin over poison jab on excadrill, crunch over fire punch on mega tyranita...

Gotcha

brazen nest Nov 18, 2023, 6:03 AM

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@vast oracle

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I changed few things accordingly to myself because something or other thing wasn't quite well in the place

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I'm not able to make the tyranitar set 😭

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If I add one more then i'm lacking in other area 😭

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https://pokepast.es/4c41016341e30f69

brazen nest Nov 18, 2023, 6:06 AM

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brazen nest I changed few things accordingly to myself because something or other thing wasn...

It worked well from the things I needed something because I didn't had any ice move on me

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So I added tornadous with Hp Ice

vast oracle Nov 18, 2023, 6:10 AM

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so it's easier for you https://pokepast.es/c94e4ddf0206a632 here is the pokepaste with all of my proposed changes

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if you want you can run ice punch over crunch on the mega tyranitar

brazen nest Nov 18, 2023, 6:19 AM

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Thanks 😭🙏🏿

brazen nest Nov 18, 2023, 7:14 AM

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I'm facing problem against fighting , fairy and psychic type

crisp saffron Nov 18, 2023, 4:13 PM

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Adamant drill is best most of the time imo

brazen nest Nov 18, 2023, 4:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bf60061a0629e4fd

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Rate this

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Totally asking for a friend

hollow elm Nov 19, 2023, 9:33 AM

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gritty scaffold You cant post random images here

https://pokepast.es/83a31479b1ea8cd0
gen3 ou

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 9:35 AM

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hollow elm https://pokepast.es/83a31479b1ea8cd0 gen3 ou

Um im not a rater of adv ou... just do like what other ppl did of posting pokepaste , mention the tier

hollow elm Nov 19, 2023, 9:35 AM

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gen3

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ou

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 9:37 AM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/4e83a4ce64d89874 Gen 3 OU

like this

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hollow elm Nov 19, 2023, 9:38 AM

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polar nacelle Nov 19, 2023, 9:41 AM

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hollow elm https://pokepast.es/83a31479b1ea8cd0 Gen 3 OU

your team dies to thunderbolt

hollow elm Nov 19, 2023, 9:42 AM

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yes

polar nacelle Nov 19, 2023, 9:43 AM

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try claydol > starmie

hollow elm Nov 19, 2023, 9:43 AM

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ok

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 9:43 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0467ac29cd443763
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upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 9:47 PM

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so a few things

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reun and glisc typically fit on sand teams

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 9:47 PM

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Alot tbh

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Even loom idt fits here

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 9:47 PM

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because they enjoy the passive damage that sand teams throws around

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second

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 9:47 PM

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Atleast not with specs mie

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 9:47 PM

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you don't have a single dragon resist

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so like

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 9:48 PM

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Dont use life orb gyara

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 9:48 PM

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latios walks all over this team, even more so than usual

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 9:48 PM

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I was going for a bit of a rain team

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 9:49 PM

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Look more into the analysis of politoed , etc

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So you can know better how to build rain

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 9:50 PM

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tldr

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rain should have at minimum

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politoed ferrothorn latios

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and then probably a tentacruel

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and then you have two more slots

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 9:52 PM

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so uh, should I have Ferrothorn and Latios on my team then?

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 9:53 PM

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Yes

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 9:53 PM

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what about the other team members?

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 9:54 PM

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gritty scaffold Yes

wait which Ferro and Latios set tho?

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 9:57 PM

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Ferro use the standard from analysis

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Latios u can use scarf or specs

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Depends on your team

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Tho they ushally want scarf to matchup well vs ho

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 10:04 PM

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peak canyon what about the other team members?

I think that gyara and starmie are fine

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I wouldn't go life orb on gyara, I'd go with either lum berry or leftovers

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and breloom is pretty redundant with ferrothorn, so you can add a different rain abuser

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or a tentacruel

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 10:05 PM

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how does my team look now?
https://pokepast.es/bad912c8c0d6bff1

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 10:05 PM

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Dont use toxicroak

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And u dont need tenta with mie

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 10:06 PM

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toxicroak sucks

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 10:06 PM

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You could maybe use tornadus over tenta , thundy-t over toxicroak

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 10:06 PM

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tenta can be with mie

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tenta is the spinner and then starmie is offense

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 10:07 PM

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Oh it can? Thought isnt ideal

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 10:07 PM

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whats mie

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 10:07 PM

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starmie

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 10:07 PM

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o

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 10:07 PM

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you want stealth rock on ferrothorn

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unless you are including another pokemon that will be the stealth rock setter

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 10:07 PM

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Remove worry seed

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Thats preety much bad

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 10:08 PM

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which set for Thundy-t

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 10:08 PM

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also go knock off > leech seed

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 10:08 PM

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peak canyon which set for Thundy-t

U can go sub

peak canyon Nov 19, 2023, 10:10 PM

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alr how does it look now?
https://pokepast.es/0286015679f78c8f

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 10:10 PM

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sub + focus blast on thundy imo

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although sub + np is also fine

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you still want knock off on ferrothorn

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mostly for opposing ferrothorn

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but also to limit something like cm reun

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 10:12 PM

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And remove items in general from mons that u can click that move without worry of dying or getting status or pokemons that are going to switch into you although wathout for magnezone bc he traps you and kill you

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Leech seed isnt just good rn

inner mist Nov 19, 2023, 11:00 PM

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peak canyon alr how does it look now? https://pokepast.es/0286015679f78c8f

I would use Keld > Mie or Tenta

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Not sure why you have two spinners

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:16 PM

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peak canyon alr how does it look now? https://pokepast.es/0286015679f78c8f

Starmie and cruel is redundant, run keld or torn for another rain abusing wallbreaker, or remove cruel and run LO starmie

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specs starmie is bad either way

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 11:17 PM

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specs starmie is fine with tenta

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the advantage of specs mie is that it outruns latios and keldeo

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but yeah you have a ton of options when it comes to rain wallbreakers

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:17 PM

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his team is decently resilient against those

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its also mono special attacks except ferro

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 11:18 PM

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I mean

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most rain teams are mono special attackers

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:18 PM

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most rain at least has secret sword

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 11:18 PM

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I suppose that starmie could add psyshock if you're that concerned about blissey

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but you also have a ferrothorn and a tentacruel

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a ferrothorn with knock off at that

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so the pink blobs aren't a major concern

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:19 PM

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personally I dont think specs starmie fits on this structure

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 11:20 PM

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how so?

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:20 PM

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oh also I like some speed on encore toad

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:20 PM

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upper plume the advantage of specs mie is that it outruns latios and keldeo

non scarf

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:20 PM

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just 12 evs can go a long way

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:21 PM

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but yea ig specs mie can be great

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it does alot of dmg with analytic even more than life orb

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:21 PM

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upper plume how so?

less reliable than keld, less entry points, scarf latios is hitting the relevant speed tier already

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:22 PM

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what u mean by less reliable. starmie prob outdamages keld in power

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 11:22 PM

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spoiler alert: keldeo also clicks hydro pump

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:22 PM

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i do see entry points problem bc no pivots

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:22 PM

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worrywhirl

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:23 PM

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but keld still has that problem aswell is just hard to fit pivots on rain but you usually switch those mons on passive stuff

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:23 PM

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keld reliably threatens more stuff, specs starmie is hardwalled by gastro and cant threaten ferro nearly as much, which I would consider an issue when you're trying to synergize with thund and scarf latios

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:23 PM

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gastro isnt so common

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:25 PM

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crisp saffron keld reliably threatens more stuff, specs starmie is hardwalled by gastro and ca...

252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Ferrothorn in Rain: 123-146 (34.9 - 41.4%) -- 73.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery it does threaten ferro idk what ur talking about

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thats not even considering analytic 1.3x boost from switching into starmie btw + hazards

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id think it has synergy on breaking power

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:26 PM

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cant threaten ferro nearly as much

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:26 PM

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its just as much if not more

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:26 PM

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...as keldeo?

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:27 PM

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yes

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:28 PM

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alright whatever you say

upper plume Nov 19, 2023, 11:28 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-viability-ranking-mk-4.3668699/post-9819678

Smogon Forums

OU - BW OU Viability Ranking, mk. 4

my personal rankings after bwpl and most of bw cup is done (at top 8 at the time of this post)

shoutout fnh and theia for the usage stats

s rank:
tyranitar, latios, ferrothorn - the big 3 of the tier is quite clear if you look at any stats, ferro is a clear 3rd while lati and ttar compete for...

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basically, keldeo is better on rain, but starmie isn't that much worse

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:30 PM

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252 SpA Choice Specs Analytic Boosted Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Ferrothorn in Rain: 160-189 (45.4 - 53.6%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery. 252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Ferrothorn in Rain: 147-173 (41.7 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:30 PM

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252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Ferrothorn: 314-372 (89.2 - 105.6%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:30 PM

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but yea keldeo is usually better than mie on rain bc of its typing , helps alot vs sand and ho

crisp saffron Nov 19, 2023, 11:31 PM

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thats exactly what im saying, keld is a more reliable breaker

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for a spinner obviously keld cant compete

gritty scaffold Nov 19, 2023, 11:36 PM

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keep in mind i said typing

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keld doesnt have u turn or is weak to dark types

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but keld still has issues breaking through dragons without hp ice. both are good to nuke everything 👍

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 12:47 AM

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gritty scaffold but keld still has issues breaking through dragons without hp ice. both are good...

so uh, what should I do with my team again?

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 12:57 AM

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peak canyon so uh, what should I do with my team again?

Replace one of Mie or Tenta with Keld

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In this case Mie imo

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Specs Mie isn't necessarily bad here but you kind of run out of Tar swaps with a team like this

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If you are still insistent of having Mie here then you should probably make it Air Balloon with Spin and then make the team more offensive

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Something like

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Poli Mie Ferro Lati Chomp Kyu-B could probably work

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 1:01 AM

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inner mist Poli Mie Ferro Lati Chomp Kyu-B could probably work

what if I replaced mie with Keld?

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 1:01 AM

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Well you need spin in a team like this

upper plume Nov 20, 2023, 1:01 AM

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that works

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oh wait on that structure?

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 1:01 AM

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Yeah I think that's what he is referring to

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So no, Keld does not fit there

upper plume Nov 20, 2023, 1:02 AM

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if it's the team you had earlier then yeah keld over starmie is fine

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 1:03 AM

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Fwiw Mie on Rain could free up Spin on Tenta so you can run SubTect on it

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But with Sand getting fatter it's kind of hard to do that

upper plume Nov 20, 2023, 1:06 AM

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I do also think scarf starmie + a different latios set is effective

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like

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maybe calm mind latios

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 1:07 AM

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Well yeah

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Just kind of tricky to get spin off against Jelli

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So you better hope your team is resilient enough against Hazards

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But if this is on Rain where the weather setter is basically a momentum sink it's kind of hard

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I tried to maybe use something like Scarf Toed but it still doesn't feel great

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 1:10 AM

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so uh, what should I change about my team again I still can't decide

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 1:10 AM

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Oh for the one that still exists?

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Just use Keld over Mie

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https://pokepast.es/a469a2516a8503c3

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Basically something like this is fine

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You can play around with the sets if you want but yeah this is what I would run

upper plume Nov 20, 2023, 1:11 AM

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as I said

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once you have poli ferro tenta lati you can basically pick whatever

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 1:12 AM

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alr

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 1:12 AM

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Yeah

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You can even argue that you don't even need lati

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Just one of Lati or Keld

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Rain generally looks something like

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Poli Ferro Tenta/Mie Lati/Keld Filler 1 Filler 2

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Ferro is near mandatory here though since it's compresses so many roles in one slot

upper plume Nov 20, 2023, 1:14 AM

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imo a team with latios is usually an improved team

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unless like

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the team is already severely weak to something like scarf lando-t

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 1:15 AM

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Yeah

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Lati also compresses a lot of roles too

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And basically has the tier entirely revolve around it

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It can basically fit on anything and it would still be useful

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 5:13 AM

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inner mist It can basically fit on anything and it would still be useful

actually, I have a question?

Should I replace Encore on Politoed with something else?
infact are there any moveset changes I can make to my team?

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 5:18 AM

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Hmmm

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Encore is used for Reuniclus since it's basically it's biggest switch-in

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Locking it into Calm Mind

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 5:41 AM

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inner mist Encore is used for Reuniclus since it's basically it's biggest switch-in

how about Haze?

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 5:54 AM

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inner mist Encore is used for Reuniclus since it's basically it's biggest switch-in

also how do I deal with pokemon like Dragonite and Volcarona on my team?

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 5:58 AM

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Hmmm how do I explain this

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I would say that Encore locks Reuni into the move so that Thundurus-T can come in safer

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 6:06 AM

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inner mist I would say that Encore locks Reuni into the move so that Thundurus-T can come i...

how do I deal with setup sweepers like Dragonite and Volcarona with my team then?

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 6:08 AM

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Volcarona can't really switch in or setup at all against this team, so I wouldn't worry about that

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As for Nite, my idea would be to Encore with Politoed and then go for Thundy

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The rest of your mons have some measures to prevent Nite from coming in

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 6:10 AM

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what happens if Dragonite or Volcarona already got a Dragon Dance or Quiver Dance off?

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 6:12 AM

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I am not exactly sure how to answer that question

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You need more context

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 6:13 AM

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inner mist You need more context

basically I am in another mon and Dragonite for example already got a Dragon Dance off

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or I am in Ferrothorn and Volcarona got a Quiver Dance off

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 6:14 AM

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Well in Volc's case that would assume that you swapped Ferro into Volc

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Which wouldn't make any sense whatsoever

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Or you even stayed in, which also doesn't really make sense

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Unless you had something like Explosion

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If Volc comes in on Ferro then you just pivot to Poli for Rain, Encore, and then go to Tenta

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If Tenta dies then you go for Scarf Keld

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 6:16 AM

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I do wish I had a pokemon on my team that can handle these pokemon better

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or alteast change a pokemon on my team

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 6:17 AM

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Volcarona is honestly the least of your issues

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Dragonite is a bit complicated

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You have to do a bit of playing around but it shouldn't be too bad

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 6:19 AM

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inner mist If Tenta dies then you go for Scarf Keld

scarf Keldeo?

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I have Calm Mind Keldeo on my team

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not scarf

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 6:20 AM

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Yeah that was a mistake on my part

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I would change that to Scarf

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Keldeo-Resolute @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 Def

Hidden Power [Ice]
Hydro Pump
Secret Sword
Surf

peak canyon Nov 20, 2023, 6:22 AM

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I think this set is better for my team

karmic geyserBOT Nov 20, 2023, 7:30 AM

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odd narwhal Nov 20, 2023, 8:01 PM

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Gen 6 OU: https://pokepast.es/5045003690413bb5 Mamo and Latias the dream team are back.

karmic geyserBOT Nov 20, 2023, 8:01 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

upper plume Nov 20, 2023, 9:29 PM

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Yeah idt we have Oras raters

karmic geyserBOT Nov 20, 2023, 9:29 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

inner mist Nov 20, 2023, 9:56 PM

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It’s been three days and my application as a team rater still hasn’t been finished

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lol

odd narwhal Nov 20, 2023, 10:06 PM

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That's ok. Gives me a reason to fish out old ORAS battles saved on the 3DS.

crisp saffron Nov 21, 2023, 3:17 AM

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odd narwhal Gen 6 OU: https://pokepast.es/5045003690413bb5 Mamo and Latias the dream team ar...

Does jolly Mamo hit important speed benchmarks that adamant doesn’t? Also with latias you normally run more than one setup sweeper to maximize healing wish potential value otherwise defog latios might be better

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Belly drum azu has synergy with zone, something to consider

odd narwhal Nov 21, 2023, 4:39 PM

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Jolly Mamoswine has chance to beat opposing Mamo.
Assault Vest Azumarill is to beat special attacking Dragons, which hit my team hard (with the possible exception of Magnezone, depending on coverage).

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 7:27 PM

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Hello everyone

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So I'll be honest, I don't know anything about competitive, I'm a filthy casual and all that, but i do want to learn

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I've been replaying some older gen V game (Best gen, i know) and was thinking of building a competitive team using the mons from that dex

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Now, keep the Mon I'm putting there are....only there cause they're some of my favorite, i know i know, but at the same time there's some... semblance of tactics? I think? Let me hear your critics cause once again, i know barely anything about competitive

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https://pokepast.es/bf9cd5854d6c6897

upper plume Nov 21, 2023, 9:10 PM

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We only do rates for Smogon tiers, so nothing in game

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:42 PM

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Unfortunately, using ingame teams is practically impossible if you want to win

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There is only a handful of viable mons in Gen 5 OU, and using them kind of mandates mons from other gens

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If you want to learn the tier I would recommend using the samples first

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:45 PM

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Alright then

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:45 PM

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inner mist Unfortunately, using ingame teams is practically impossible if you want to win

Uh, experiment #2 after some overhaul

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https://pokepast.es/96c6c0e22ba54bef

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Again, the itch of using only pokemon i like is really hampering some of my decision, but I'm open wide to criticism

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:48 PM

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Ok this is actually not too bad for a first team

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I would change up the Volc set to have Fire Blast over Flamethrower and Psychic over HP Ice

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:50 PM

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Wouldn't the accuracy and pp cause some problem over Flamethrower?

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:51 PM

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The power difference is significant enough against stuff like Gliscor

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:51 PM

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Also what are other teammates option there are? Can i insert other mons into it? I'm thinking of Pokemon like

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Let see my list.... Weavile, Crawdaunt, Hydreigon, Tyranitar, Haxorus, Magnezone or Gengar

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:52 PM

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Ok um

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You are planning to build HO right?

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:53 PM

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Mostly HO tho I'm open to others as well

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Since HO seems to be the most versatile on BW OU

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:53 PM

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Well a good team to get started with would be

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Chomp Loom Mie Sciz Volc Nite

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:54 PM

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Ah, you're referring to the Smurf

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:54 PM

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Yeah

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:54 PM

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I suppose i can replace Salamence with Nite

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But yeah... I'll have to pass on Chomp, personal hate

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It's a long story

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:55 PM

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Sometimes you have to use mons you dislike

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:55 PM

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I'll go back to the drawing board then

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:55 PM

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inner mist Sometimes you have to use mons you dislike

Call it code of honor if you will

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:56 PM

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I mean you can use something like Aero in that slot if you want

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Or even Terrak

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:56 PM

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Aero for suicide lead?

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:56 PM

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Yeah

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:56 PM

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Hm

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Could i slap something like Icicle crash to my swine?

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:57 PM

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It’s not as effective because sometimes you end up feeling like you are playing 5v6 at times but it works

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The thing with Chomp is that it doesn’t just set up rocks

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It also poses a late game threat

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:57 PM

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Yeah yeah, they're also an offensive behemoth i know

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It's just using it makes me feels dirty

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 9:58 PM

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It’s also one of the best mons in the tier

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Like I get you are probably playing this tier for fun but since you posted it’s probably a sign you want to get serious

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 9:59 PM

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Nah, I'm posting it to learn

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Cause i never played competitive before, only casual

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Just replaying BW recently for nostalgia and want to learn the rank match, so to speak

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My knowledge of competitive can be summed up as "High tier mon = gut" without knowing why or how they're good, what roles and niche they fill, or what their counter are

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Just a pokemon is OU doesn’t mean they are good

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This is especially apparent in gens 4 and later

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Yeah, know i know tier mean their usage

inner mist Nov 21, 2023, 10:02 PM

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I learned this myself a few years ago

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Which really skewed sometimes

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Since one mon can be on OU despite being mediocre against others just cause it can counter on specific mons extremely well

upper plume Nov 21, 2023, 10:29 PM

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toxic gulch Call it code of honor if you will

Simply put, your opponent won't care that you won't put Garchomp on your team because of any code of honor

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 10:39 PM

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Pershap yeah

toxic gulch Nov 21, 2023, 10:40 PM

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toxic gulch https://pokepast.es/96c6c0e22ba54bef

I've trying this team just now, and i managed to get a four win streak before ended up losing to a team with V-create victini and a magic bounce Xatu

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Today i learn that Magic Bounce bounced Taunt

inner mist Nov 22, 2023, 12:03 AM

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Magic Bounce affects any non-damaging move

slender mango Nov 22, 2023, 12:05 AM

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Just as a question, is it worth it to put expery belt on mamoswine in gen 5 ou?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 12:49 AM

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no

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just use never melt ice

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or band

upper plume Nov 22, 2023, 1:02 AM

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Basically, Mamo usually runs an Adamant nature that smashes every Pokemon that is weak to its attacks

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It doesn't need the extra push from Expert Belt to do what it does

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:05 AM

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Idt ebelt even helps

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It just makes ur mu vs skarm worse

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I dont see any scenario where never melt ice is just better

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:06 AM

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For lead Mamoswine

Hannibal (Mamoswine) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

Earthquake
Ice Shard
Endeavor
Stealth Rock

Should i keep this set or change it around, pershap with icicle spear?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:06 AM

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Lead mamo isnt viable

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And that set is bad

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Your just outclassed by aero , other suicude leads like mew , etc

upper plume Nov 22, 2023, 1:08 AM

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Mew is a suicide lead?

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:08 AM

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Should i change the mamo to Aerodactyl then?

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As a suicide lead?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:08 AM

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upper plume Mew is a suicide lead?

Well ive seen some using

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Due to its bulk to set screens

upper plume Nov 22, 2023, 1:08 AM

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Ah

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:08 AM

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And then use the mamo as a Wallbreaker?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:09 AM

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Azelf in theory can do that while bein faster and hitting harder but its alot frailer

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:09 AM

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toxic gulch And then use the mamo as a Wallbreaker?

I mean sure but mamo doesnt fit on ho

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:09 AM

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I see...

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Can you check on my team set? https://pokepast.es/96c6c0e22ba54bef

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I only been learning competitive around.... Eh, a day

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:10 AM

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Remove that pasho volca

willow sparrow Nov 22, 2023, 1:10 AM

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rate the team 🔥 https://pokepast.es/34e1d4774912ca9b

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:10 AM

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Why is slower than exca

willow sparrow Nov 22, 2023, 1:10 AM

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(Gen 3 OUT)

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:10 AM

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And was still figuring things out

willow sparrow Nov 22, 2023, 1:10 AM

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OU*

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:10 AM

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willow sparrow (Gen 3 OUT)

You need to send pokepaste along with the gen

willow sparrow Nov 22, 2023, 1:10 AM

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gen?

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you mean generation

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eh it's the like right there

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but yeah gen 3 ou

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:11 AM

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gritty scaffold Why is slower than exca

What's the ev spread and nature i should put then?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:11 AM

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toxic gulch Can you check on my team set? https://pokepast.es/96c6c0e22ba54bef

Use choice band loom over life orb

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:11 AM

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toxic gulch What's the ev spread and nature i should put then?

The one from analysis

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Also use starmie over jellicent

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:12 AM

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EVs: 72 HP / 252 SpA / 184 Spe this with timid?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:13 AM

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willow sparrow eh it's the like right there

No i meant like this. (Gen number OU) https://pokepast.es/96c6c0e22ba54bef

willow sparrow Nov 22, 2023, 1:13 AM

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alright rate the team 🔥 (Gen 3 OU) https://pokepast.es/34e1d4774912ca9b

karmic geyserBOT Nov 22, 2023, 1:13 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:14 AM

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toxic gulch EVs: 72 HP / 252 SpA / 184 Spe this with timid?

Yes

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:14 AM

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gritty scaffold Use choice band loom over life orb

And for breloom

Breloom @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Bullet Seed
Mach Punch
Low Sweep
Stone Edge?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:14 AM

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Yea

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:14 AM

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gritty scaffold Yes

What's the item should be then? Mind plate?

willow sparrow Nov 22, 2023, 1:14 AM

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willow sparrow alright rate the team 🔥 (Gen 3 OU) https://pokepast.es/34e1d4774912ca9b

i'm very new to gen 3 OU so go easy on me lmfao

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:15 AM

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toxic gulch What's the item should be then? Mind plate?

Depends from what you want

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Id recommend run lum to not get twaved

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But plates does more dmg

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 1:16 AM

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I see, i will run plate for now

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Other than dactyle and Azelf, are there any other lead i can use?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 1:32 AM

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Jirachi

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I wouldnt recommend using azelf on bw ou bc is quite frail and ok speed for suicide lead

crisp saffron Nov 22, 2023, 2:37 AM

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odd narwhal Jolly Mamoswine has chance to beat opposing Mamo. Assault Vest Azumarill is to ...

You have rotom for opposing mamo, if that’s the main concern I’d go adamant. For this kind of HO more setup is going to be a steadier plan than trying to tank hits and hit back with azu. Are you trying to make a hyper offense team or something more like a BO?

karmic geyserBOT Nov 22, 2023, 5:21 AM

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odd narwhal Nov 22, 2023, 1:07 PM

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crisp saffron You have rotom for opposing mamo, if that’s the main concern I’d go adamant. For...

Oh, right! Adamant Mamo it is then, for a Hyper Offence team. I’m concerned that Belly Drum Azumarill will be worn down easier by duel stab Dragons (e.g. Latias), but for the sake of more breaking power, I’ll try it.

polar nacelle Nov 22, 2023, 2:43 PM

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willow sparrow alright rate the team 🔥 (Gen 3 OU) https://pokepast.es/34e1d4774912ca9b

Stick to dex sets
Metagross > one of the flyers except mence

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Superman is a play style of avoiding spikes which pretty much mandates flygon

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If ur not using flygon its not superman and it doesnt play like superman

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 8:31 PM

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So BW OU Sandteam with SD Gliscor, I'm trying to try other playstyle, and knowing how annoying the Gliscor I've been facing, I want to try one myself

https://pokepast.es/393965448d6cecb5

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gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 8:31 PM

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dont use scarf hydregion

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use gyro ball over leech seed

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why ur using full spdef rotom

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why this gliscor is full spdef and slow

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if ur running sd

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at this point ur prob just 6-0 by exca lol

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 8:32 PM

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Damn, alright uh let me do some adjustments

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Is the knockoff on Ferro good?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 8:32 PM

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yes

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just use stuff from analysis

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 8:32 PM

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Aight

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 8:33 PM

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and build within it

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dont just slap random stuff hoping to work

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you can use excadrill over hydregion tho u still have a speed problem

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 8:35 PM

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Should i use sassy over impish for Ferro to reduce more speed?

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 8:35 PM

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ye

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 8:56 PM

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So

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I was looking through team sample

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And come across this comment

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BW OU btw, anyone know what team they're referring to and if anyone can point me to the right direction to build it?

upper plume Nov 22, 2023, 9:21 PM

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Team is fairly straightforward

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Largely sample sets

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Though Latios set is up in the air

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 9:44 PM

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toxic gulch BW OU btw, anyone know what team they're referring to and if anyone can point me...

its ho but still that player is very skilled

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aero is good but not a mon easy to fit on ho

gaunt veldt Nov 22, 2023, 10:08 PM

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help with my team for gen8 OU
https://pokepast.es/3199d943851f03bb

karmic geyserBOT Nov 22, 2023, 10:08 PM

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hasty ingot Nov 22, 2023, 10:12 PM

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yep thats a stall team

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youd probably want knock on pex, im not sure both toxic and tspikes is what you want there

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definitely gonna want ID on corvi so rilla doesnt chance through a win

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no need for uturn on stall

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i am unsure why you are wishtect on clef when that is pretty much just worse than softboiled

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if youre unaware, you need to be boots

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(magic guard is just better btw)

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twave doesnt seem right on stall

gritty scaffold Nov 22, 2023, 10:14 PM

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yea u will just block toxic if u para a mon

hasty ingot Nov 22, 2023, 10:15 PM

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the chansey should probably be a blissey with teleport/rocks/toss/aroma? or toxic itself

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one of clef or chansey need to have aroma/heal bell, whichever they get idr

inner mist Nov 22, 2023, 10:25 PM

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toxic gulch So BW OU Sandteam with SD Gliscor, I'm trying to try other playstyle, and knowin...

I would not recommend using SD Gliscor if you are a beginner

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If you want to get into Sandstorm I would recommend something like Zam Psyspikes

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 10:26 PM

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Alakazam with... Skarmory as spiker?

gaunt veldt Nov 22, 2023, 10:27 PM

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hasty ingot youd probably want knock on pex, im not sure both toxic and tspikes is what you ...

which is better to replace with knock?

inner mist Nov 22, 2023, 10:27 PM

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toxic gulch Alakazam with... Skarmory as spiker?

Yeah

gaunt veldt Nov 22, 2023, 10:28 PM

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hasty ingot (magic guard is just better btw)

What moveset for magic guard on this team? i can try

inner mist Nov 22, 2023, 10:28 PM

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Tar Skarm Glisc Jelli Lati Zam is a decent enough team to use if you want to get into Sand

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 10:31 PM

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Hmmm

hasty ingot Nov 22, 2023, 10:31 PM

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gaunt veldt What moveset for magic guard on this team? i can try

just full phys def

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softboiled / aromatherapy

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moonblast cm

hasty ingot Nov 22, 2023, 10:32 PM

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gaunt veldt which is better to replace with knock?

probably toxic

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if you move toxic to blissey over twave

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 10:33 PM

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Psychic or psyshock for Zam?

gaunt veldt Nov 22, 2023, 10:33 PM

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hasty ingot if you move toxic to blissey over twave

ok i can try

gaunt veldt Nov 22, 2023, 10:34 PM

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hasty ingot just full phys def

boots too ?

hasty ingot Nov 22, 2023, 10:39 PM

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no need for boots with magic guard

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lefties or helmet

gaunt veldt Nov 22, 2023, 10:40 PM

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like this ? https://pokepast.es/ae5a4ec082c2f8a3

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Is gastrodon with toxic is okay? the team seems to have a lot of toxic

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 11:41 PM

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I've been trying to build a team with Hydreigon involved, tho i think i have a weakness to Volcarona from what i can see

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https://pokepast.es/148a457f31a588e9

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Gliscor should able to one shot one with rock slide i believe

upper plume Nov 22, 2023, 11:45 PM

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Why sassy Tar if ur running 0 special attacks

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And if ur scared of Volcarona run RS on Tar, not Glisc

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Team also doesn't really like Thundy either

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 11:47 PM

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Ah, i forgot to change it from the copy, aight

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What move should i put on Gliscor then?

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Ice Fang? Or U-Turn for pivot?

crisp saffron Nov 22, 2023, 11:48 PM

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upper plume Though Latios set is up in the air

I bet scarf for that kind of HO

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Or do you mean multiple versions of it exist

crisp saffron Nov 22, 2023, 11:50 PM

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toxic gulch What move should i put on Gliscor then?

Ice fang, uturn, knock off and toxic are all better options than slide

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 11:50 PM

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No protect?

crisp saffron Nov 22, 2023, 11:51 PM

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No I mean those are all options

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For the move slot

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Keep the other ones

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 11:51 PM

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Oh i see, i see

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Probably U-turn then

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To pivot my mon savely

crisp saffron Nov 22, 2023, 11:52 PM

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Uturn is good yea

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 11:53 PM

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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 140 Def / 124 SpD
Impish Nature

Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Protect
U-turn

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Something like this pershap

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Is Careful or Impish more preferable?

crisp saffron Nov 22, 2023, 11:55 PM

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Hmm I think careful is more reliable but either is fine

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Generally it takes physical hits well enough anyways

toxic gulch Nov 22, 2023, 11:56 PM

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Wrong link a sec

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https://pokepast.es/e6ec55584e152448

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Pershap something else over thunder wave on either T-tar or Thorn?

crisp saffron Nov 22, 2023, 11:59 PM

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Slide over t wave, can live a hit from volc and kill back

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 12:00 AM

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Alrighty

upper plume Nov 23, 2023, 12:10 AM

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Max spdef jelli is weird

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I'd probably use the standard set since it's ur best check into Scizor and Cloyster

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 12:59 AM

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Jellicent @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 124 Def / 136 Spe
Timid Nature

Taunt
Will-O-Wisp
Recover
Night Shade

This one?

inner mist Nov 23, 2023, 1:17 AM

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toxic gulch https://pokepast.es/e6ec55584e152448

This can't even be called HO anymore

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Also, Skarm > Ferro and Latios > Hydra

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Hydra does not mesh well at all with a team like this

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 1:18 AM

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Nah that's just a name i haven't changed since i just copied the previous team

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And well, i I know Latios is better

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But i just like Hydreigon

inner mist Nov 23, 2023, 1:19 AM

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Especially since you don't really have anything that forces Tar in

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Hydra + Zam just doesn't have that same synergy

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Hydra in general is also just not very good

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 1:20 AM

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Pershap

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https://pokepast.es/5d80a599a4d43268

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How about this one?

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Should i change Breloom to using Life Orb? Or even Fist Plate

inner mist Nov 23, 2023, 1:22 AM

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Well if you still want to use Hydra I still have a team you can use

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https://pokepast.es/bd54d5dea829ad3f

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As for your other team, what are you building around?

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 1:22 AM

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HO, basically loosely following smurf?

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Mamoswine is surprisingly good at taking people by surprise using Endeavour + Ice Shard

inner mist Nov 23, 2023, 1:25 AM

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Ok but what specific mon are you building around

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 1:26 AM

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Just standard core of Breloom, Volcarona and Starmie

inner mist Nov 23, 2023, 1:26 AM

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Well if you want to be experimental with Smurf

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I would not Copy-Paste Hax on the Nite slot because then you are way weaker into Keldeo

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 1:27 AM

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There used to be a salamence there

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I just been using Haxorus for funsies

inner mist Nov 23, 2023, 1:28 AM

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Also I just realized your team doesn't have a Steel

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Basically making your team really Cloy weak

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 1:29 AM

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Yeah true

inner mist Nov 23, 2023, 1:29 AM

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Having Sciz over Zam helps a lot with that

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 1:29 AM

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Mamoswine been managed to deal with Cloyster before, albeit in a kamikaze way

inner mist Nov 23, 2023, 1:30 AM

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Just because Mamo handled it once doesn't mean it's reliable

toxic gulch Nov 23, 2023, 1:30 AM

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I guess so

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I'll pershap put Zor over Zam on the field

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Which should i use? SD? Band?

inner mist Nov 23, 2023, 1:31 AM

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SD is the most common yes

violet garnet Nov 23, 2023, 2:27 AM

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https://pokepast.es/afeaaa4682feb101

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gen 7

vast oracle Nov 23, 2023, 2:34 AM

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the mzam was better

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go with heart swap magearna over AV

violet garnet Nov 23, 2023, 2:35 AM

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went with medi cuz i had no physical attacker

rancid pike Nov 23, 2023, 4:45 AM

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Never made a team for gen 4 before so how did I do https://pokepast.es/32986fc4c84cd6a3

karmic geyserBOT Nov 23, 2023, 4:45 AM

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New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

granite skiff Nov 23, 2023, 4:57 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c3899740bba42a44

upper plume Nov 23, 2023, 5:05 AM

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granite skiff https://pokepast.es/c3899740bba42a44

We don't have raters for ORAS

karmic geyserBOT Nov 23, 2023, 5:05 AM

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upper plume Nov 23, 2023, 5:05 AM

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Would recommend checking in ORAS cord

granite skiff Nov 23, 2023, 5:05 AM

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upper plume Would recommend checking in ORAS cord

okay ty

upper plume Nov 23, 2023, 5:07 AM

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rancid pike Never made a team for gen 4 before so how did I do https://pokepast.es/32986fc4c...

Would recommend asking in DPP cord since we only have a single rater

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They'll be able to help look at ur team

short hedge Nov 23, 2023, 6:01 AM

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rancid pike Never made a team for gen 4 before so how did I do https://pokepast.es/32986fc4c...

honestly team doesn't look bad for your first build, def drop passho on infernape and go with either expert belt or lefties, definitely go with thunderbolt on starmie over psychic since it hits more things with coverage, i would go uturn maybe over thunder wave? (this one isn't a hard suggestion) on azelf. i would run sub pain split on gengar (focus blast and shadow ball are the only coverage moves you need). everything else looks good

rancid pike Nov 23, 2023, 8:04 AM

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short hedge honestly team doesn't look bad for your first build, def drop passho on infernap...

Thanks for the advice

short hedge Nov 23, 2023, 2:47 PM

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No problem

peak canyon Nov 24, 2023, 1:06 AM

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Gen 1
https://pokepast.es/e9f372cdc50d5915

karmic geyserBOT Nov 24, 2023, 1:06 AM

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granite latch Nov 24, 2023, 1:15 AM

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Gen 7
https://pokepast.es/754a736687bae953

karmic geyserBOT Nov 24, 2023, 1:15 AM

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New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

night bridge Nov 24, 2023, 1:18 AM

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peak canyon Gen 1 https://pokepast.es/e9f372cdc50d5915

cute name theme but a few key problems:

Rhydon is definitely not a lead
No sleeper
Don Jolt Cloy is definitely not a real team structure

you need at least 1 psychic type and a sleeper on this team for it to make any sense, you could run mie cloy jolt + sing chansey for example

peak canyon Nov 24, 2023, 1:26 AM

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night bridge cute name theme but a few key problems: 1. Rhydon is definitely not a lead 2. No...

how does the team look now?
https://pokepast.es/591b52e529839702

night bridge Nov 24, 2023, 1:28 AM

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looks much more playable

vast oracle Nov 24, 2023, 1:43 AM

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granite latch Gen 7 https://pokepast.es/754a736687bae953

looks like it's the beatup offense and with the same 6 + standard sets. it's generally EQ over EP on the landot but it's nbd if you're going all out special. the team structure is pretty chessy in general but this seems fine as is

granite latch Nov 24, 2023, 1:48 AM

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vast oracle looks like it's the beatup offense and with the same 6 + standard sets. it's gen...

Not recommend make changes?

vast oracle Nov 24, 2023, 1:51 AM

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no. team has been around for quite a bit and mostly running the same sets with decent success. trying to deviate from it feels unnecessary, especially since it's not like your classic cookie cutter standard team

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i think there's a more consistent BO structure with fini+tran+scarf lando over kart+chomp+defensive lando but if you're going with the more offensive 6 then this is fine

granite latch Nov 24, 2023, 2:01 AM

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vast oracle i think there's a more consistent BO structure with fini+tran+scarf lando over k...

In that structure weav have its standard set?

vast oracle Nov 24, 2023, 2:02 AM

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oh i just realized lol

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knock over pursuit

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on your current paste

granite latch Nov 24, 2023, 2:04 AM

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Ok

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🫡

topaz sentinel Nov 25, 2023, 1:50 AM

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https://pokepast.es/fe6c89294ab25302

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Have a gen 4 ou team to look at

silver reef Nov 25, 2023, 4:46 PM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/fe6c89294ab25302

Needs a water resist and more importantly needs speed control (dnite does not count)

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What do you do if a Gyarados clicks DD on pert

peak canyon Nov 25, 2023, 6:18 PM

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Screenshot_20231125_195436_com.android.chrome.jpg

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I thought it was perfect until I started losing very consistently

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stuck between hoopa and the reuniclus as a wall breaker

upper plume Nov 25, 2023, 6:31 PM

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!pokepaste

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upper plume Nov 25, 2023, 6:31 PM

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For future reference

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Also to get the raters attention you should just post like:

"Gen X OU <link>
Comments"

granite latch Nov 25, 2023, 6:38 PM

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Gen 7 OU
https://pokepast.es/7102520d76505f5b

karmic geyserBOT Nov 25, 2023, 6:38 PM

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New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

leaden fiber Nov 25, 2023, 10:05 PM

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doesnt look terrible, would be wary of smth like gren but its ok

vast oracle Nov 26, 2023, 12:38 AM

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Team lacks a ground

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You prob want double prio on mlop here by dropping ice punch to excel the offense matchup, especially since you have slowbro to deal with landot & gliscor

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 7:00 AM

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As someone who both love stoutland and have absolutely have little to no ideas on how sand team works, what do you think i should put to makes this team works? It's a Gen 6 OU. I kinda just slap the mons together around Stoutland, Hippowdon and Serperior

https://pokepast.es/19f48bfedf0eb207

karmic geyserBOT Nov 26, 2023, 7:00 AM

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gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 10:33 AM

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preety sure stoutland is unviable , also why ur using ttar alongside hippo, this team is 6-0 by serperior (even though im not oras rater) tho id suggest going to oras discord

karmic geyserBOT Nov 26, 2023, 10:34 AM

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topaz sentinel Nov 26, 2023, 12:59 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2e108c8aab1e3c38 Gen 4 ou

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Reposting, overall this team has been p good I’ve reached 1400 with little trouble but someone mentioned I needed a water resist

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Who r some good resists I can put on this, and who should they replace

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Also is there a reason my links aren’t triggering the bot, did someone turn them off for me

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 1:19 PM

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Dpp doesnt rly have many

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But i meaan maybe quagsire , suicune or latias can help? Im not a rater of dpp ou though so dont consider on my info 100% correct

topaz sentinel Nov 26, 2023, 1:22 PM

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Idk if gyara himself fits here either tho

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Or if this team is mostly good enough already

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5e67c1e7329e7875

I tried to recreate a scarf Mienshao team I've seen, it's on Gen 5

karmic geyserBOT Nov 26, 2023, 3:41 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 3:43 PM

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First of all mienshao is unviable

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I wouldnt recommend skarm without brave bird remove taunt on skarm and it should be focused on spdef

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You prob want gliscor to be the stealth rocker ( with the evs from the analysis) here imo , scarf latios over latias

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Honestly id duggest building again this team doesnt rly make sense at all alot of mons just 6-0 this team

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:47 PM

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I think it's cause it's an old team sample

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 3:47 PM

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concern its a sample team...

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:48 PM

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Eh, I'll browse around again until i found something that clicks

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 3:49 PM

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We dont rate samples
#1030567099703242903 message you need to build your own teams

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:51 PM

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Nah, that's one of my own as you can see by the names

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It's just i use samples as an example how to build ones

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The original have Alakazam on the team instead which, in hindsight probably better? Eh, i still want a dragon

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 3:53 PM

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Make sure to read the analysis of the mons when building a team with it

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:54 PM

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This is the one I've been using for the last two days with... Okay ish success, i win some i lose sole, though i think i need a dedicated spinner on the team since well, Cloyster sometimes struggle to fill the role

https://pokepast.es/f1ff03db2f9936a3

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Most of was my fault as a player but well, live and learn

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 3:54 PM

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Dont use haxorus

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Is outclassed by kyub

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Mamo sash is bad

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Non sash zam idt fits here

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Maybe, but my Hax often managed to caught dragons outguard since they thought its a dance set

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Also i wouldnt recommend sash cloy

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:55 PM

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White herb or Lum berry for Cloyster pershap?

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 3:56 PM

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toxic gulch Maybe, but my Hax often managed to caught dragons outguard since they thought it...

I dont know why dragons would stay in

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:56 PM

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Dunno, then again i only able to play with low rank players

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 3:57 PM

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toxic gulch White herb or Lum berry for Cloyster pershap?

You can use never melt ice or hard stone. Lum can work "sometimes"

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Personally i dont find white herb good bc most of ur answers are special mons which ko u anyway

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:58 PM

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True true

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Plus with it's being weather generation....well, the sash on my Cloyster are often useless

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Again i think u need to rebuild with this team

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You dont even have a spinner , most of ur mons dont fit here at all , mamo set is terrible

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Well, yeah, i mentioned that before I don't have a dedicated spinner

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I kinda slap rapid spin on Cloyster and call it a day

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Pershap Starmie

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 4:00 PM

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You dont want to remove ice shard on cloy to do that

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Alot of scarfers can outspeed cloy at + 2 speed

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 4:01 PM

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I see, hmm

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So in sort...

Sash on Alakazam
Nevermelt on Cloyster + Ice Shard
Maybe a scarf salamence in place of Haxorus?
Still dunno about Mamo cause I just like using him with Endeavor

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 4:02 PM

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Mamo doesnt also usually fit on ho

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 4:02 PM

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I used an Aerodactyl before and just didn't like it as a lead

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 4:03 PM

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You can use lead jirachi

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 4:04 PM

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Or maybe T-tar

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Eh

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Probably not T-tar.... Chomp?

gritty scaffold Nov 26, 2023, 4:04 PM

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Ttar does not fit on ho

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Chomp can work as a lead

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Again id recommend rebuild the team

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Ur literraly 6-0 by scarf latios

toxic gulch Nov 26, 2023, 4:06 PM

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I frickin hate that thing

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Alright, i change it a bit, so what do you think? @gritty scaffold

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ou-1998935411-18mx7tlbzg50hrgq9x63rs72eb5q7ckpw

[Gen 5] OU: Hans Bloodsmith vs. KakawSho - Replays - Pokémon Showdo...

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Hans Bloodsmith and KakawSho! Format: [Gen 5] OU; Date: Nov 26, 2023

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It's only takes 24 turn i think, i... Kinda fumbled a lot during that match bet hey, that's what learning for

deep rose Nov 26, 2023, 6:07 PM

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Gen 8 OU
https://pokepast.es/893947c048179c29
How to build around the Blaziken set? Somehow reached top 20, but team lacks a stealth rocker and defogger and I don't know what to replace.

karmic geyserBOT Nov 26, 2023, 6:07 PM

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New OU RMT @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hasty ingot Nov 26, 2023, 6:21 PM

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I LOVE blaziken in SS OU

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big fan

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this team however

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i am not so much a fan

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i've built some with blaziken + aegislash, but the lack of ability to play around dragapult with your steel really hurts in the long run

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webs is not necessary with blaziken if you change the set to the more standard physical one

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i can point you to a very good blaziken team that saw some tour usage towards the end of ss

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/blaziken-rillaboom-bulky-offense.3706835/

Smogon Forums

SS OU - Blaziken + Rillaboom Bulky Offense

Introduction

OLT has a penchant for sparking creativity in OU's best builders, and its most recent iteration did not disappoint. This team is centered around Rillaboom + Blaziken, a dangerously powerful sweeping core that support each other nicely. Rillaboom provides Blaziken with Grassy...

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the combo of rilla/blaziken/chomp/steel is gonna get you good dubs

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but you need hazard removal for that, so torn is the good choice (plus it gives you kart counterplay which is very needed on rillaboom teams)

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i think you can play around with the bro and melm slots

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i did try a version with aegi once and it was decent but you need big pult counterplay then

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i also had a version with zap > torn which is also decent cause paras are just nice and having more assured ways to beat stall corvi is good

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i would suggest no matter what though that you go away from using webs in SS OU

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its really only good against HO, which is not that common of a style as the tier progressed

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theres just too many boots + fliers in the tier

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though every now and then it shits on the lele + urshifu teams

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@deep rose sorry for talkin too much, this all makin sense to you?

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i will say im speaking from the point of view of ss ou tournaments, webs could definitely just shit on what people bring to ladder lol

deep rose Nov 26, 2023, 6:50 PM

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Yes, makes sense. Will try the Bulky Offense team after this. Can the mixed Blaziken set be any good? Baits Slowbro and Gastrodon and revenge kills Weavile and Scarf Kartana. Thanks a lot for the help.

hasty ingot Nov 26, 2023, 6:51 PM

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i personally have never used it, and it doesn't seem great at first glance in the majority of matchups, but it definitely would work as a lure set

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id say clean up some of the other sets first

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the clef and the rilla are big offenders

deep rose Nov 26, 2023, 6:52 PM

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Ok, thanks

hasty ingot Nov 26, 2023, 6:52 PM

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but it looks like a fun team!

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main thing is just i dont webs are necessary on a blaziken rillaboom team

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you got all the speed and priority you want right there!!!

cobalt vigil Nov 26, 2023, 8:06 PM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/2e108c8aab1e3c38 Gen 4 ou

Hello Rhh
I would not advise Metagross lead alongside a Dragon Dance user such as Dragonite or Gyarados, as they both benefit greatly from rocks being off the field and Metagross is a poor option to prevent those.
Body Slam Jirachi with a berry is counterintuitive, as one of the perks of Para+Iron Head Jirachi is its gradually heal with Leftovers with flinches. Here you lack a proper switch in to Water moves such as Starmie's Hydro Pump and Gyarados's Waterfall (in fact Gyarados has a high chance of straight up 6-0ing you if Metagross has taken the slightest chip damage).
A quick way to make it a bit better is to put Thunder on Jirachi and replace Dragonite for a Scarf Latias.

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Given that the meta is heavily focused around Spikes usage

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And several of your pokémon (namely the Metagross+Swampert combination) allow several entries for Skarmory to lay down entry hazards with no way of dealing with it

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I would recommend using Sample teams; you will observe several techniques offensive team use to prevent Skarmory from being too oppressive

tepid shell Nov 26, 2023, 8:16 PM

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https://pokepast.es/acf77c88cdac3ee4 felt like spicing it up and trying some gen 4. Now this is my first team and I used a number of smogon builds, but I’m just wondering if this is a good starting point

karmic geyserBOT Nov 26, 2023, 8:16 PM

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New OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tepid shell Nov 26, 2023, 8:17 PM

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Aqua tail is to smash ground types, but maybe ice fang could be better for the gliscor and flagon matchups

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Also I should prob fit rocks onto blissy

leaden fiber Nov 26, 2023, 8:22 PM

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teams not rly synergetic

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aeros only real niche is being a faster taunt rocker then azelf

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on ho

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that + ddtar + some offensive infernape + meta is okay, but blissey definitely doesn't fit, and you don't really need spin here

topaz sentinel Nov 26, 2023, 8:25 PM

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cobalt vigil Hello Rhh I would not advise Metagross lead alongside a Dragon Dance user such a...

Alright, I’m also still confused on how my links won’t trigger the bot but anyone else who does Gen 4 does trigger it

upper plume Nov 26, 2023, 8:29 PM

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Honestly have no clue

cobalt vigil Nov 26, 2023, 8:44 PM

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tepid shell https://pokepast.es/acf77c88cdac3ee4 felt like spicing it up and trying some gen...

Hello edubnosfera2,
If you want to learn to the tier it's important to use effective sets. The metagame is 15 years old and fairly optimized;The analyses are up to date so I'd recommend reading a bunch of them and play samples to get a better grasp of the tier.

tepid shell Nov 26, 2023, 8:45 PM

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Ok I understand

upper plume Nov 26, 2023, 8:54 PM

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!gen4samples

karmic geyserBOT Nov 26, 2023, 8:54 PM

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upper plume Nov 26, 2023, 8:54 PM

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^ here u go

inner mist Nov 27, 2023, 12:33 AM

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toxic gulch https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ou-1998935411-18mx7tlbzg50hrgq9x63rs72eb5...

I would not rely on low ladder battles to gauge out how viable your team is

gritty scaffold Nov 27, 2023, 12:34 AM

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I already told him to build again, i thought was kinda obvious that low ladder wins doesnt mean a team is good.

inner mist Nov 27, 2023, 12:39 AM

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Yeah, sorry if it seems like I am beating a dead horse lol

gritty scaffold Nov 27, 2023, 1:04 AM

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Look hes still new

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-samples-thread.3686880/ @toxic gulch heres ho samples if u wanna have a better idea on how to build ho.

Smogon Forums

OU - BW OU Samples Thread

Maintained by the BW community.

Hello! This thread is here to archive teams from the Black and White Overused metagame and showcase popular playstyles and archetypes of the current metagame. Its aim is to help beginners and intermediate level players to get acclimated to the tier, or simply to...

inner mist Nov 27, 2023, 1:24 AM

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Yeah I know

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I actually played a few games with him.

inner mist Nov 27, 2023, 3:47 AM

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Ok I actually talked to Finch about this team, apparently on it's own, Sash Mamo isn't bad but you need good counterplay against Custap Skarm and Mie

upper nacelle Nov 27, 2023, 5:21 PM

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Anyone got any mons I can use that switch into nidoking and melmetal? Gen 8 OU

gritty scaffold Nov 27, 2023, 5:47 PM

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We only rate teams here

upper nacelle Nov 27, 2023, 6:19 PM

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I uh

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Didn't notice the tag oops bye

topaz sentinel Nov 29, 2023, 4:26 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9c5b5c198f263d08 gen 4 ou

karmic geyserBOT Nov 29, 2023, 4:26 AM

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New OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

topaz sentinel Nov 29, 2023, 5:13 AM

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ik i probably need a steel or two

hollow elm Nov 29, 2023, 7:16 AM

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sure

cobalt vigil Nov 29, 2023, 11:15 AM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/9c5b5c198f263d08 gen 4 ou

Hello Rhh,
When linking a team, please leave a comment on what goal you had in mind as makes it easier for me to a) understand your approach b) correct your team in a way that does not destroy your initial idea.

This is very weak to Dragon Dance users. This is due to your ScarfTar usage, which is a strong option on bulky slow team but fails to cover what offensive teams need aka a quick response to Gyara/Dnite/Tar.
WishTect Jirachi is another important problem for your team; This is part of the reason why many players opt for the Black Sludge Gengar set instead of the Life Orb one. Thunderbolt may cheese Gyarados and Suicune on occasion but outside of Hyper Offense teams who can't afford to switch, this set is usually outclassed. I also can't recommend playing Crocune as whole as it gives up all momentum. If you want to build around this pokémon I would recommend pumping a decent amount of Special Attack to threaten Clefable, Jirachi, and Gyarados quicker. There is however no popular team using Crocune currently.

topaz sentinel Nov 29, 2023, 2:58 PM

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cobalt vigil Hello Rhh, When linking a team, please leave a comment on what goal you had in m...

what do u suggest i change

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I guess my goal is to maybe make a somewhat balanced team, have mons that r bulky enough to take hits in like emergencies, and still have enough offensive pressure

cobalt vigil Nov 29, 2023, 3:32 PM

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topaz sentinel I guess my goal is to maybe make a somewhat balanced team, have mons that r bulk...

If you are interested in bulky offense then you should look for pokemon like Choice Scarf/Specs Latias, Heatran, Offensive Suicune or Dragon Dance Tyranitar, Metagross

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These are the most common options to make a bulky offense team

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Berry Tyranitar, Swampert and Bulky Sd scizor are other rarer but viable options

topaz sentinel Nov 29, 2023, 3:36 PM

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cobalt vigil If you are interested in bulky offense then you should look for pokemon like Cho...

do u care if i dm u for help? i always wanted to try some of the ttar and metagross sets

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but who specifically should i replace, in some cases im not too picky w who has to go

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