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upper plume Oct 30, 2023, 5:51 PM

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Plus the set you're using is specifically for use on DragMag teams

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 5:53 PM

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I wouldnt recommend pairing ttar and hippo together unless ur gonna use a more offensive oriented ttar set like scarf

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This team also struggles to break through fat

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Your only set up mon is loom which can be quite managable specially sd

upper plume Oct 30, 2023, 5:54 PM

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True

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Hippo goes on specific fat builds

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 5:55 PM

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Id change chomp to drill bc spin is quite important bc u have very few hazard immune mon

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And jirachi to ferro

upper plume Oct 30, 2023, 5:55 PM

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You do need a new scarfer

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If you're removing Scarfchomp

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 5:56 PM

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gritty scaffold I wouldnt recommend pairing ttar and hippo together unless ur gonna use a more o...

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Or mayb use scarf latios over scarf ttar

slow adder Oct 30, 2023, 6:04 PM

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do u have any gen 7 ou samples?

upper plume Oct 30, 2023, 6:24 PM

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slow adder do u have any gen 7 ou samples?

!gen7samples

karmic geyserBOT Oct 30, 2023, 6:24 PM

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kind shadow Oct 30, 2023, 6:24 PM

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upper plume Hippo goes on specific fat builds

So should I just make the team fat?

slow adder Oct 30, 2023, 6:24 PM

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upper plume !gen7samples

thanks

queen wave Oct 30, 2023, 8:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e7ec08d3a52c5364
Gen 3 OU team i made, feel free to infodump me on how something is clearly stupid, i take no offense!! :3

karmic geyserBOT Oct 30, 2023, 8:07 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

leaden fiber Oct 30, 2023, 8:08 PM

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U need a magneton

queen wave Oct 30, 2023, 8:09 PM

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Where and what for?

leaden fiber Oct 30, 2023, 8:10 PM

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U have five pokemon that lose to skarm

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and a zapdos

queen wave Oct 30, 2023, 8:11 PM

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Ok understood

leaden fiber Oct 30, 2023, 8:11 PM

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also, cbmence does not usually fit on these very fast offenses for me

queen wave Oct 30, 2023, 8:11 PM

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Is it a good thing to swap it out for the Heracross?

leaden fiber Oct 30, 2023, 8:11 PM

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U can run like

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ddmence, mag, salac hera (sd rs mega sub) , agigross, curserest lax, cune

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and then like

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two rders

queen wave Oct 30, 2023, 8:13 PM

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Wow wait too much slang sorry:
Whats rs mega sub? Also whats a rder?

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Ok i know what sub is

leaden fiber Oct 30, 2023, 8:13 PM

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rockslide megahorn substitue

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rd = rain dance

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eh actually no u cant afford rd cune vs a mixmence?

queen wave Oct 30, 2023, 8:13 PM

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Ah okok!!

leaden fiber Oct 30, 2023, 8:13 PM

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Unless u run sd spdef hera

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and two speedboosters

queen wave Oct 30, 2023, 8:15 PM

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Ok so ill stick to bulky fast cune?

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Calm mind, surf, ice beam, (filler)?

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:04 PM

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I play gen 5 OU, this is my team I really like it but I have a hard time utilizing Breloom, hes just too slow and too low hp I feel like, what pokemon would you replace breloom with or should I use his technical set?

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:14 PM

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brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:19 PM

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gritty scaffold id suggest send pokepaste next time so you can ping the raters https://discord.c...

what?

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:20 PM

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So basically if u wanna ping the team raters next time u must send the pokepaste

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:20 PM

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where?

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:20 PM

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brisk dagger I play gen 5 OU, this is my team I really like it but I have a hard time utilizi...

So spdef loom main role is beat rain usually. id recommend facade over bullet seed , bulk up so keldeo cant secret sword u so easily after set up a bit

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also dont use zam without shadow ball and hp ice . replace signal beam with shadow ball. signal beam is for only celebi , hp ice over energy ball

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also use sword dance over dual chop on chomp . dual chop is only for scarf sets

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id recommend adamant exca here bc jolly doesnt really matter unless ur gonna use something like mold breaker. but in this team sandforce is better. also go careful ttar so you can take latios draco meteor better

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:25 PM

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so now the raters are pinged?

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:26 PM

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yea but you also need to say the gen of the metagame so

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:26 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7ac602e2cc672e5c gen 5 OU

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:26 PM

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no editing . either way i already give you an idea of the problems of your team. next time make sure to use do that so we get pinged

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:28 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7ac602e2cc672e5c Gen 5 OU

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like this?

karmic geyserBOT Oct 30, 2023, 9:29 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:29 PM

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yea

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:29 PM

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also I made the changes you asked

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except for facade breloom

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would hippodon be better than ttar?

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:29 PM

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not for this team

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because its quite offensive oriented

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hippo is usually for fat/balance stuff

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:30 PM

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what if I also switched breloom for ferro?

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would that make it more def

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so ttar for hippo and breloom for ferro

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:30 PM

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brisk dagger what if I also switched breloom for ferro?

dont unless the loom is already poisoned

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bc u have the risk of losing the orb

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:30 PM

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?

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no I mena switch them out

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:31 PM

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oh

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:31 PM

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not in game

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the pokemon itself

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:31 PM

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well i dont really would recommend here imo

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but i mean it can work aswell maybe

brisk dagger Oct 30, 2023, 9:32 PM

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it gets rid of like 5 weaknesses

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while still only having a max of 2 total weaknesses

gritty scaffold Oct 30, 2023, 9:32 PM

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brisk dagger it gets rid of like 5 weaknesses

yea but you shouldnt look at loom pure typing because ferro and loom have diff roles

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this team without ttar is far more weaker to latios

polar nacelle Oct 30, 2023, 10:30 PM

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queen wave https://pokepast.es/e7ec08d3a52c5364 Gen 3 OU team i made, feel free to infodump...

I think u dont necessarily need mag but u need to decide whether this is gonna be a skarm team or not

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If its a skarm team it shouldn't have lax or hera

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If its not a skarm team then remove the skarm

queen wave Oct 31, 2023, 6:03 AM

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Okok

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Thanks!!

peak canyon Oct 31, 2023, 3:34 PM

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help I wanna put hidden Power Ice on imagnezone gen7 ou but it says the ivs don't allow it even when I set the IVs to none

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same with rotom wash

gritty scaffold Oct 31, 2023, 3:49 PM

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You cant set to none

grim fern Oct 31, 2023, 9:54 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7e7e67d6bb8c85f6 (gen 4 OU)

karmic geyserBOT Oct 31, 2023, 9:54 PM

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New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

grim fern Oct 31, 2023, 9:55 PM

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This team I find very solid.

short hedge Nov 1, 2023, 5:27 AM

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grim fern https://pokepast.es/7e7e67d6bb8c85f6 (gen 4 OU)

go with lum dd tar, i dont think the tar u have currently does anything, also shaymin should have rest > leech seed, I also think gengar should be sub split instead of the current set. maybe latias as a speed check for the some dragon dancers and go with scarf (only soft suggestion cus u can get away with ebelt)

grim fern Nov 1, 2023, 10:18 AM

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short hedge go with lum dd tar, i dont think the tar u have currently does anything, also sh...

The tar I currently have does help a ton in tge removal of the rotom forms and also traps psychics and ghosts which is useful as my team can struggle with them around.

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And blast to remove scizor and forre.

robust carbon Nov 1, 2023, 1:18 PM

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https://pokepast.es/85d6aa80a684cf38 My first team for Gen 3 OU

karmic geyserBOT Nov 1, 2023, 1:18 PM

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polar nacelle Nov 1, 2023, 1:27 PM

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robust carbon https://pokepast.es/85d6aa80a684cf38 My first team for Gen 3 OU

forre and dug dont fit there

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probably make that heracross leftovers

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zapdos subsalac instead of agility

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guts > swarm

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use rock slide > focus punch maybe

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lead cbmeta and boom

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replace dug with endpert

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use a lastmon that can switch into celebi decently

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maybe an offensive jirachi set like subcm

robust carbon Nov 1, 2023, 1:37 PM

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Alr

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 4:18 PM

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adv ou, stole this team from ci, just asking for some small changes that would improve it
https://pokepast.es/0e86b87666f4f53e

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:22 PM

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Hello! Mind helping me improve my dragmag? https://pokepast.es/bc929a1d92bbcc66

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:26 PM

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Next time mention gen 5 ou but alr let me see here

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:30 PM

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peak canyon Hello! Mind helping me improve my dragmag? https://pokepast.es/bc929a1d92bbcc66

Drop hydregion for something like lead jirachi , use scarf set on mence , drop flash cannon for magnet rise or else u wont be able to trap exca properly , run outrage over dtail and sub over rocks on that chomp and run salac berry over yache. You can maybe run scarf on that latios so you outspeed preety much everything. Also run outrage on that dnite

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:31 PM

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aight thanks a lot!

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:31 PM

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Np

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:33 PM

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peak canyon Hello! Mind helping me improve my dragmag? https://pokepast.es/bc929a1d92bbcc66

You need a jirachi and arguably a starmie on dragmag

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You will also want a physical wallbreaker like cloyster or kyurem black

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:34 PM

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oh

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:34 PM

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Hydreigon is too slow for dragmag, and doesn't do enough damage for how slow it is

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:34 PM

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but then it's not a dragmag

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:35 PM

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You don't need 5 Dragons for it to be dragmag

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:35 PM

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Starmie over latios mayb

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:35 PM

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You only need Dragons and magnezone

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:35 PM

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i know i know but you still need at least 3 or 4 am I right?

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:35 PM

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peak canyon i know i know but you still need at least 3 or 4 am I right?

I mean some just do 2

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:35 PM

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damn

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:35 PM

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Ye

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:35 PM

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Dragmag is just another way to say ho

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:36 PM

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You don't want a team that gets 6-0'd by Latios and Mamoswine

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:36 PM

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that's why I use scarf hydr

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:36 PM

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Hydr is too weak

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:36 PM

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oh ok

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:36 PM

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And slow

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For a scarfer

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:37 PM

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peak canyon that's why I use scarf hydr

Latios clicks Draco Meteor, you switch in Hydreigon, Latios switches out

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And also Scarf Hydrei doesn't help you when they have Scarf Latios

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Plus

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Balloon Magnezone is meant to synergize with Jirachi

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:38 PM

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so the best thing I can do against scarf Latios is to tie with my own..?

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:38 PM

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No

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You can add Jirachi

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:38 PM

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ooh I see now

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so Jirachi is here only to counter the opposite dragons?

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:38 PM

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Latios change to mie imo

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:38 PM

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peak canyon so Jirachi is here only to counter the opposite dragons?

Yea and be a lead

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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I'd change Hydrei to Jirachi

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Make Latios Scarf

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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aight

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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And swap out Salamence for Starmie

gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Oh ye that prob better

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Wait we're literally going to make u use

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!gen5samples

karmic geyserBOT Nov 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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gritty scaffold Nov 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Lmao

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Click the OU Samples link

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Scroll to the bottom

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You can make Mence either a Cloyster (like in the sample) or a CB Kyurem B

peak canyon Nov 1, 2023, 5:40 PM

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I hate Kyurem

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so I'll go with Cloyster probably

polar nacelle Nov 1, 2023, 6:02 PM

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upper plume adv ou, stole this team from ci, just asking for some small changes that would i...

I would do rest on skarm i think

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Next time explicitly say gen 3 ou

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Also i suspect the yama set is suboptimal

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Might wanna do hp bug there

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 6:05 PM

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polar nacelle I would do rest on skarm i think

Rest > tect?

polar nacelle Nov 1, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Yes

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 6:06 PM

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Alright ty

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Hp bug definitely helps vs bi

robust carbon Nov 1, 2023, 6:46 PM

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What do you think of this team? I’m tryna make a gen 4 OU team for my friend https://pokepast.es/2bc1b61e2d896343

karmic geyserBOT Nov 1, 2023, 6:46 PM

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crisp saffron Nov 1, 2023, 10:14 PM

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robust carbon What do you think of this team? I’m tryna make a gen 4 OU team for my friend htt...

Scarftar lead has a bad matchup into common leads like metagross and machamp, and is less useful than if scarftar was in another slot. You could make metagross a lead set, and give it rocks. Either way your team needs rocks. For rotom I'd either commit to being timid or bold, modest doesn't do much with this ev spread

upper plume Nov 1, 2023, 10:37 PM

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Isn't lead scarftar mostly for semi stall teams anywho?

leaden fiber Nov 2, 2023, 4:11 AM

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depedns where u want to go w this team its a mismatch of sets for team comp

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ie

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u have no water resist

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and yeayh, like grabby say scarftar is a stall mon

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 6:59 AM

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https://pokepast.es/cc4e4331915850e9

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:03 AM

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uneven lance https://pokepast.es/cc4e4331915850e9

Balloon tran is just about always flame body, use the sample set to get an idea of what you're supposed to do with it
Vile set is fine
Lele set is fine but psyshock here helps with Bliss better-er while hurting the hell out of Gking
Clef set is fine
Ferrothorn could be more optimal and I would do Pwhip -> twave here, you have a scarfer and a vile you're really not aching for speed control
That landorus sucks. Do normal spdef, you're not heat with this set.

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 7:04 AM

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tribal smelt Balloon tran is just about always flame body, use the sample set to get an idea ...

oh yeah i meant to swap it to flame body

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whats that last part mean?

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:04 AM

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That your landorus sucks

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 7:04 AM

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oh

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um

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ok

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:05 AM

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Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 SpD / 16 Spe
Careful Nature

Earthquake
Defog
U-turn
Toxic

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Use this set

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For a first try in SS this is fine

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But don't use that Landorus set

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Real crummy set

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 7:06 AM

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alrigh

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why is it crummy?

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:07 AM

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What are you ever going to kill with a +2 fly that dosent get walled by ID corv

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The only real SD left for lando is boom SD HO or SD smackdown

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Since its spdef niche is way more valuable

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 7:07 AM

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ic

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:08 AM

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And, before you ask, no, Smackdown is not appropriate here

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 7:08 AM

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do u have any sets for sm and gen 6 ou

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:08 AM

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Not my forte

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 7:08 AM

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alright thanks anyways

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:09 AM

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Implement the changes I listed, hell you should arguably do spdef tran here

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But its up to you

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 7:09 AM

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it was spdf

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:10 AM

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If it is meant to be spdef just do this:
Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 232 SpD / 24 Spe
Calm Nature

Magma Storm
Earth Power
Stealth Rock
Toxic

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And if you're not liking it try this for flame body instead
Heatran @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Bold Nature

Stealth Rock
Magma Storm
Earth Power
Taunt

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 7:33 AM

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@tribal smelt do u think swapping lele for pult would be smart?

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:36 AM

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It's preferential on these styles to me. Pult gives you options into Shifu while Lele hits like a truck

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Pult can snipe Melmetal better, Lele beats stall better

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Both appreciate the spikes

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Scarf lele is so good here I doubt you have to make the choice

uneven lance Nov 2, 2023, 7:38 AM

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alright thanks

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lele can also snipe melmetal just lest consistently right?

tribal smelt Nov 2, 2023, 7:39 AM

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Yes

jaunty crater Nov 2, 2023, 5:27 PM

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I am trying to make gen 4 stall team, this is what I have so far:

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Fear Sphere (Forretress) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

Rapid Spin
Stealth Rock
Spikes
Explosion

A hazard setter that can spin alongside Starmie, but can explode in a pinch, such as to deal with opposing Blissey, or as a last resort against stall killers.

Knife Bird (Skarmory) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe
Impish Nature

Roost
Brave Bird
Spikes
Whirlwind

My primary physical wall, and it can annoy setup sweepers too with Whirlwind! It also can work as a backup for hazard setting.

The Final Egg🥚 (Blissey) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Soft-Boiled
Seismic Toss
Toxic
Thunderbolt

Blissey, one of the primary special walls on this team, alongside Clefable, being the more bulky of the pair. It has Thunderbolt to actually hit Gengar, and Toxic to stall out special attackers.

Trouble Clef (Clefable) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Soft-Boiled
Wish
Encore
Flamethrower

What Clef lacks in sheer bulk compared to Blissey, it has in utility, having wish for cleric support and Encore to disrupt setup sweepers, and Flamethrower to hit Steel types.

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Clean Kills (Rotom-Wash) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Pain Split
Substitute
Hydro Pump
Thunderbolt

The main spin blocker and one of two pokemon that keeps Infernape from instantly tearing me apart, although Starmie is better at that. Pain Split for recovery, Substitute for taking hits, Hydro Pump for Infernape and Tyranitar, and Thunderbolt to hit Skarmory.

Beyblade (Starmie) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Hydro Pump
Recover
Rapid Spin
Toxic

One of the two spinners on my team, alongside Forretress. It also deals with Infernape very well, resisting both of its STABs. Toxic to also help cripple switch ins, and Revover for longevity.

upper plume Nov 2, 2023, 5:28 PM

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jaunty crater Nov 2, 2023, 5:29 PM

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https://pokepast.es/024c7d8b0f8551dc

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Like that?

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How can I improve this team though?

indigo iron Nov 2, 2023, 6:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/91edfe59e4d6daa2

Here's a gen 6 ou team can you guys help me with it

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jaunty crater Nov 2, 2023, 8:29 PM

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Can y'all help me out with this Gen 4 team? https://pokepast.es/024c7d8b0f8551dc

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peak canyon Nov 2, 2023, 8:29 PM

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is focus blast boosted by throat spray

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also does throat spray make spatk times 1.5

jaunty crater Nov 2, 2023, 8:35 PM

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Question 1, no, question 2 yes.

upper plume Nov 2, 2023, 10:44 PM

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peak canyon is focus blast boosted by throat spray

throat spray boosts your special attack when you use a sound-based move

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so when you've activated your throat spray, focus blast does become more powerful

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but throat spray doesn't get activated by focus blast

granite skiff Nov 3, 2023, 3:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2a81d136b36d7468

tribal jewel Nov 3, 2023, 12:30 PM

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@vast oracle by any chance you got any teams you can climb past 1600s with

kind shadow Nov 3, 2023, 1:25 PM

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This any good?

gritty scaffold Nov 3, 2023, 1:40 PM

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can yall like specify the gen when posting pokepaste so the team raters get pinged lol

kind shadow Nov 3, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Well

kind shadow Nov 3, 2023, 1:42 PM

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gritty scaffold can yall like specify the gen when posting pokepaste so the team raters get ping...

One of the team raters is the person I uave a tour set against Sunday

gritty scaffold Nov 3, 2023, 1:44 PM

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dunno why your posting here then, they could be reading here rn lol isnt better talk with your teamates/friends privately or something idk to ask about your team.

kind shadow Nov 3, 2023, 1:49 PM

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I dont have a better place to ask

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And plus I heavily doubt Emma just randomly checks the RMT unless pinged

gritty scaffold Nov 3, 2023, 1:55 PM

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Alr im not a teamrater of rby but mayb id change seim toss to ice beam bc this team feels really weak to zapdos

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Also isnt better use sing over twave in that chansey if ur gonna use counter , bc it hates bein paralyzed

upper plume Nov 3, 2023, 2:08 PM

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kind shadow I dont have a better place to ask

roa room, discord, etc.

kind shadow Nov 3, 2023, 2:09 PM

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RoA Room on ps is full of people who dont even know what an rby is

midnight citrus Nov 3, 2023, 4:35 PM

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https://pokepast.es/30b1616e45fa1eff i need help with this team its for gen 4 OU and im kinda stuck on what to do with the suicune set

karmic geyserBOT Nov 3, 2023, 4:35 PM

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New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

warped venture Nov 3, 2023, 6:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/de635d5c8b19be7b
ADV Medi AgilityPass
Very old, doesn't even need to stick to AgilityPass, just thought it sounded neat for Medi.

karmic geyserBOT Nov 3, 2023, 6:37 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

short hedge Nov 3, 2023, 10:55 PM

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midnight citrus https://pokepast.es/30b1616e45fa1eff i need help with this team its for gen 4 OU...

tbh i think you should go dd tar with chople / lum and then i think you should make rotom scarf and have hp ice for dragonite because both gyarados and dnite look like a problem regardless of cune, lastly i think you should go 252 spa / 252 speed suicune timid with hp elec, calm mind, hydro pump, ice beam (life orb)

polar nacelle Nov 3, 2023, 11:51 PM

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warped venture https://pokepast.es/de635d5c8b19be7b ADV Medi AgilityPass Very old, doesn't even...

interesting, but i think youre still much better using gengar there instead of claydol, and using taunt skarm is probably better so that u prevent spikes and let medi come in more easily eventually

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also swampert doesnt need lum berry

warped venture Nov 3, 2023, 11:52 PM

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polar nacelle interesting, but i think youre still much better using gengar there instead of c...

Which variant of Gengar?

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afaik there's 2.

polar nacelle Nov 3, 2023, 11:54 PM

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there seem to be merits for both kinds in this team, but maybe a sweeper gengar would be better

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so ice punch hp grass and two of firepunch/tbolt/boom

warped venture Nov 3, 2023, 11:54 PM

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Assuming pure Offense EVs?

polar nacelle Nov 3, 2023, 11:54 PM

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make swampert more bulky, it really doesnt need that much speed

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yeah pure offensive evs

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also zapdos might be better with specially defensive evs

warped venture Nov 3, 2023, 11:57 PM

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same speed for Hera?

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Or just Max Max

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https://pokepast.es/cf62d13fd16b52c9

Not entirely sure what benchmark to go with on Pert so I just went uninvested Ttar.

polar nacelle Nov 4, 2023, 12:04 AM

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warped venture same speed for Hera?

u could do something like just enough speed for molt, max spdef, and rest in hp

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im also pretty sure timid gives you more stats than calm in total

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alternatively u could really just not bother with agilipass

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something like protox can be very threatening

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i rly doubt u will have the time to agilipass like 90% of the time

granite skiff Nov 4, 2023, 4:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1410352d8db72c9a

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who do i ping for oras

upper plume Nov 4, 2023, 5:06 AM

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you just put "gen 6 ou <paste link>" and the bot pings them automatically

barren patrol Nov 4, 2023, 6:35 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0145f8f828358238

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can yall rate this gen 3 team

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ou

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i dont know if i should invest more spatk in bliss

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 2:52 AM

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https://pokepast.es/efec346f0e63e134 gen 3 ou feedback needed

karmic geyserBOT Nov 5, 2023, 2:52 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 2:52 AM

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i feel i need to keep gengar at max speed cuz every1 is running it

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i also feel my team doesnt have an immediate answer to magneton cuz if i bring out aero they know i will eq so they leave

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zapdos idk if i should change moves or spread cuz its somewhat inconvient that it gets 2hko by things

old iris Nov 5, 2023, 2:54 AM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/efec346f0e63e134 gen 3 ou feedback needed

Did you come up with that 6 by yourself

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 2:54 AM

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yea, i think some1 told me to swap someone for zapdos at one point but cant remember when

old iris Nov 5, 2023, 2:55 AM

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That's Hclat favourite team

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I mean the 6 at least

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 2:55 AM

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i think some1 mentioned it, its just a coincidence

old iris Nov 5, 2023, 2:55 AM

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Yeah, it was to say you had a good thinking

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Gengar definitely needs to be bulky here tho

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What makes you think max speed gengar is good ?

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 2:58 AM

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gengar dittos happen to me a lot

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and last time i ran bulky they 2hko me w thunderbolt cuz they outspeed

old iris Nov 5, 2023, 2:58 AM

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Yeah

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If you had a bulky zap you could trade it against their gar

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 2:59 AM

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i could try to make a diff team but it would honestly be just me probably swapping out zapdos and maybe going a different ttar set

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the mix ttar set has been messin w me

old iris Nov 5, 2023, 2:59 AM

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What I know of this team is that zapdos and gengar both have bulky evs

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I don'y know which ones exactly, but you can probably go for the evs of the agility + bp set for zap

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And go for protect / toxic/ tbolt / ice

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And for gengar you can use the classic defensive one probably

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It won't be optimal but sufficient

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Tho idk how ttar should be played here, my guess is that it needs to have some bulk too

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 3:03 AM

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its just none of my pokemon can ohko the tyranitar and ttar will just ko them back cuz they r not bulky enough

old iris Nov 5, 2023, 3:05 AM

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Yeah mixtar can be annoying

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But mixtar = no dd tar, so you can kill it with pert

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Or surf once then go to zap

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 3:07 AM

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mixtar usually has hp grass so it sucks for pert

old iris Nov 5, 2023, 3:07 AM

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Yeah

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But taking one hp grass is ok

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 3:09 AM

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is perts job in the meta rly to just stop ttar?

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cuz every1 runs hp grass for pert which hurts him a lot and every1 outspeeds him likely to ko him first

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admittingly i do wish gengar could survive a hit or two every so often, but should i keep max speed and sacrifice some spa attack evs

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but i was thinking of making a new team anyways, just to have another on the side

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 8:46 AM

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topaz sentinel i think some1 mentioned it, its just a coincidence

It was me who asked u to copy it

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Protect > bp on zapdos

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Bulky firegrass gar

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When you face a tbolt gengar it usually comes with tbolt ice wow so u deal with that using swampert

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Fire grass gar can be dealt with using zapdos

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And if ur facing offensive gar then u just trade something away and revenge with aero

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 8:51 AM

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topaz sentinel is perts job in the meta rly to just stop ttar?

Thats a very important job for pert yes

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The key is that you ideally avoid letting grass tar hit pert

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By creating sufficient buffer or playing aggressively enough to chip tar and make sure that when u do send pert in then tar is 1hkoed

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Or if pert dies u can still revenge with aero and defend with skarm zap tar

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Look up one of the pokemonperfect tour finals of astamatitos vs thelinearcurve

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Linear manages to sac everything to preserve his pert against asta's grass ttar

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 3:28 PM

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polar nacelle Linear manages to sac everything to preserve his pert against asta's grass ttar

Alright, someone was mentioning I should lead w tar to send up sand wyt, I’m also tired of magneton switching in

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 3:32 PM

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Yes

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Lead tar

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 5:27 PM

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https://pokepast.es/fe3e83962adad208 got another Gen 3 ou team, need lead suggestions and maybe counter play to bulky water suggestions

karmic geyserBOT Nov 5, 2023, 5:27 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty scaffold Nov 5, 2023, 6:40 PM

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Im not a team rater from adv ou but that skarm should have drill peck tbh

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over toxic

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you can use lead zap over mence maybe with agility bp , change meta set

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 10:36 PM

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gritty scaffold Im not a team rater from adv ou but that skarm should have drill peck tbh

Why do u say that? I think the skarm here shd use tox

gritty scaffold Nov 5, 2023, 10:36 PM

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well id say that because of fighting mons may be able to exploit skarm by that lack of attacking moves

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although it has gengar,mence so ig is fine

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wouldnt whirlwind just be better then if ur not gonna use drill peck, even though soundproff isnt real ig

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 10:38 PM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/fe3e83962adad208 got another Gen 3 ou team, need lead sugges...

This thing is most likely not going to work

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You need special checking

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U rly dont want to be tiptoeing arnd zap

gritty scaffold Nov 5, 2023, 10:42 PM

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Ngl this team vs jolteon, zap can be rough lol

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 10:43 PM

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Aight so who should I get rid of? The one I want to get rid of the least is gengar but if I gotta change his evs/moves that’s fine @polar nacelle

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 10:45 PM

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topaz sentinel Aight so who should I get rid of? The one I want to get rid of the least is geng...

There's redundancy between gar and mence and also between aero and agilimeta

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On this kind of team u should almost definitely use ttar

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 10:46 PM

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I can get rid of mence and either of the other two is fine

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So who should go in mences spot and who should go in aero/gross spot

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 10:47 PM

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Then u can either change pert for dol to help vs zap or u can use spdef twave zap or u can just use good ol celebi

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Many options

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 10:53 PM

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Oh I thought we were getting rid of mence and one of aero or meta

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 10:54 PM

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There are many options

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In general yes

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 10:54 PM

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Ok, I’ll see it’s just that I like swampert lol and I’m trying to use him

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But who should ttar replace first off

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 10:57 PM

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It depends on everything else

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Maybe u shd just start from skarm pert gar tar and build again

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Ok

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https://pokepast.es/c06b84aa9a14d602 @polar nacelle

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Willing to swap claydol/gross out for others to maximize potential as well as change any members moves/evs

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 11:06 PM

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Dont use both pert and dol there

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 11:07 PM

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Ok

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https://pokepast.es/60c8d0a2520ce32a

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@polar nacelle

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Idk if zapdos should be lead

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 11:23 PM

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Use spdef zap there

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Lead it if bp but bp is not that useful with ur sets

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Bp would be more useful with bkctar

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U need a better strategy vs blissey

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It comes in too freely and nth wants to switch into it

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 11:35 PM

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polar nacelle Use spdef zap there

U talking about the agility and bp set?

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Just with tbolt, grass, twave and what else

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 11:40 PM

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if ur using bkctar, u can use bp

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cos u can bp to it on bliss

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 11:40 PM

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Sorry what’s bk again

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Bulky?

polar nacelle Nov 5, 2023, 11:40 PM

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adamant slide eq bug focus

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imo that is the preferred set on this kind of team ur building

topaz sentinel Nov 5, 2023, 11:42 PM

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I don’t have to put baton pass on zapdos

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I can just do sub toxic or something

polar nacelle Nov 6, 2023, 10:16 AM

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topaz sentinel I can just do sub toxic or something

Toxic is better with protect instead of sub

brisk dagger Nov 6, 2023, 2:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0a77d0acbce33969 gen 5 OU please give feedback on this sand defensive stall team

karmic geyserBOT Nov 6, 2023, 2:22 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty scaffold Nov 6, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Dont use infernape its worthless on bw ou , stall teams are on sun not sand.btw

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Hippo is more fat/balance style

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Id change forre to offensive excadrill with protect , spin , eq , iron head

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And change that infernape to latios scarf

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Also change leech seed to gyro ball on ferro imo

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Id maybe change that reuni to scarf scizor

brisk dagger Nov 6, 2023, 2:42 PM

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why/how could a OU pokemon be worthless in OU, and you said to change ferro for another pokemon and tehn said to change an attack on ferro counterdictiong youself?

gritty scaffold Nov 6, 2023, 2:42 PM

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brisk dagger why/how could a OU pokemon be worthless in OU, and you said to change ferro for ...

Because the tier isnt updated and infernape isnt good on ou

gritty scaffold Nov 6, 2023, 2:43 PM

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brisk dagger why/how could a OU pokemon be worthless in OU, and you said to change ferro for ...

I got confused between ferro , forre for a second but no keep ferro and just change 1 move. I said to you change forre not ferro

brisk dagger Nov 6, 2023, 2:44 PM

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also every stall team im looming up is either rain or sand, i havent seen any sun teams?

gritty scaffold Nov 6, 2023, 2:45 PM

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How? Sun is always reffered to be used as stall

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Rain and sand stalls are signitically worse , stall is already not good on bw

brisk dagger Nov 6, 2023, 2:47 PM

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I google "gen 5 stall teams" and what pops up on smogon, gamefaq, pokemondb, reddit, and gamerrant is all sand and rain stall teams

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still havent seen a single sun stall team mentioned

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is it possible to get a 2nd opinion from a different rater?

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I just read an entire guide on stall teams and it only mentions rain and sand, rain to fish for burns from scald, and sand for the passive damage to prevent leftover heals, add walls, healers, and someone to roar/whirlwind

gritty scaffold Nov 6, 2023, 3:08 PM

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Hippo uses phazing moves usually to help vs ho and not make set up fodder

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ou-1920036501-x6hx4q6763vs272vkvr0l2993r50ocnpw heres a replay i found of sun stall in ladder as example but usually what you always use is ninetales , chansey , cress , spinner

brisk dagger Nov 6, 2023, 3:09 PM

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gritty scaffold Hippo uses phazing moves usually to help vs ho and not make set up fodder

youre gonna have to re google translate that, I cannot understand what that means

upper plume Nov 6, 2023, 5:00 PM

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brisk dagger why/how could a OU pokemon be worthless in OU, and you said to change ferro for ...

because bw ou stopped doing usage-based tiering a decade ago, and infernape was always in ou more so because of its popularity, instead of its viability

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if you want a fighting type with 108 base speed, you're better off using keldeo or terrakion, since they are just better

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anyway, while stall teams nowadays are mostly sun stall, sand stall is still decent (rain stall unfortunately is hard to make consistent with the increased power introduced in bw2)

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anyway, forretress and infernape really don't fit well on this team

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forretress is not a great spinner in bw, nor will dual screens help your team

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while infernape doesn't help you beat things

brisk dagger Nov 6, 2023, 5:08 PM

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upper plume anyway, while stall teams nowadays are mostly sun stall, sand stall is still dec...

thats weird because every site I open on google and every video I watch on youtube shows sand or rain for stall, I still haven't found anything talking about sun stall anywhere, when you say "nowadays" do you mean like gen 9 or?

upper plume Nov 6, 2023, 5:09 PM

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Nowadays I mean modern gen 5 ou

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I did a quick search of "gen 5 stall team"

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you get a bunch of rmt's from 2011 and 2012

brisk dagger Nov 6, 2023, 5:19 PM

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I just re googled and re searched on youtube gen 5 stall and im getting toxic rain teams and sand whirlwind/roar stall teams, 470 matches played on smogon gen 5 with a 1400 rating and never once encountered a sun stall team?

Very rare to see a sun team at all and when I do its almost always venosaur sweeper teams or sometimes darm, heatran, Infernape, or volcarona trying to sweep with sun out

upper plume Nov 6, 2023, 5:21 PM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ou-1956722855-kkn3zt9l9omkdj7a65ixqad5pauw9ogpw

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youve never encountered a team like this?

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ou-1889646928

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or this?

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anyway

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returning to your team

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it's very weak to many attackers and to hazards

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In particular, you don't have real plans against thundurus-t, reuniclus, volcarona, scizor, and keldeo

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and breloom

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I think hippo, ferro, and reun are fine as a base, but the other 3 could be improved by quite a bit

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next, for a counter to psychics and thundy, you can throw on perish song celebi, for which you are able to run 32 speed evs to outrun tyranitar and adamant breloom

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and for a good counter to grounds and ices, you can go with slowbro

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that makes you a bit volc weak huh?

upper plume Nov 6, 2023, 6:13 PM

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And also to hazards

gritty scaffold Nov 6, 2023, 7:32 PM

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I think by that way u will be quite weak to u turn spam aswell

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Maybe change ferro to skarm imo

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If ur gonna use celebi

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And instead of slowbro u can use excadrill , in last slot scarf chomp prob

gritty scaffold Nov 6, 2023, 7:48 PM

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That also lets ur hippo run toxic over whirlwind

upper plume Nov 6, 2023, 8:16 PM

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gritty scaffold Maybe change ferro to skarm imo

Yeah Ferro doesn't really work on stall teams since it's weak to spikes

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Or at least

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On Sand stall

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Every rain team needs a Ferro imo

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 2:16 AM

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https://pokepast.es/10c2284829175c40 Gen3ou team

karmic geyserBOT Nov 7, 2023, 2:16 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 2:16 AM

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Trying to get started but not too sure if this team synergies well

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 2:17 AM

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vale lagoon https://pokepast.es/10c2284829175c40 Gen3ou team

Charizard mixed offense is what I’m aiming for

polar nacelle Nov 7, 2023, 2:22 AM

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vale lagoon https://pokepast.es/10c2284829175c40 Gen3ou team

hariyama shouldnt be on the team

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use tyranitar

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 2:26 AM

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Alrighty

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 2:58 AM

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upper plume youve never encountered a team like this?

never faced those sun teams no, but if I do the chnages you are asking my team would be extremely weak to bug, ghost, and dark, while also being super weak to ice?

I feel like thats a HUGE downgrade from where my team was at

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@upper plume here is a compairison of what my team was like before your suggusted changes

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 2:59 AM

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Typing isn't all there is when teambuilding

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There aren't really good offensive dark or ghost types

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But yes, stacking 3 Psychic types isn't a good idea

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 3:01 AM

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my team would get ran over by common OU pokemon like weaval, mamoswine, haunter, jellicent, scizor, volc, kyume, and Ttar

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 3:03 AM

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upper plume There aren't really good offensive dark or ghost types

Weavile, haunter, hydre are all good offensive dark or ghost typed tho, and I see them alot

also Zoroark is uncommon but would still melt my team

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 3:09 AM

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upper plume But yes, stacking 3 Psychic types isn't a good idea

these are the chnages you guys suggested

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ghost isnt super common but dark, ice and bug is

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 3:26 AM

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is adamant or jolly exadrill better?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 3:41 AM

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brisk dagger Weavile, haunter, hydre are all good offensive dark or ghost typed tho, and I se...

All of these are C rank or lower

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Also the drill should have bulk since it's your primary Dragon resist

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Although you also need a Skarmory

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So probably Skarmory > Latios since you already have Celebi

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As your Thundy/Keld check

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 3:48 AM

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gritty scaffold And instead of slowbro u can use excadrill , in last slot scarf chomp prob

Problem with this is that you have 0 Ice resists

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For a stall team, this is a game losing trait

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You cannot change out a mon for slowbro if you add an Ice resist

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Cuz that's the easiest way to lose to Mamoswine

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 5:58 AM

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upper plume Also the drill should have bulk since it's your primary Dragon resist

skarm would be my dragon resis then why would i make exadril bulky?

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this is your current suggested team, really weak to ice and everyone runs HP ice and Mamo, shell smash cloyster, kyrume black, and weavile would roll this team up and smoke it

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@upper plume how would you solve that issue?

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@upper plume swich out celibi back for rotem wash?

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I cant see perish song being that detrmental to the team comp

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wouldnt latios just be striaght up better than garchomp too, stronger, faster and has levitate

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plus with garchomp id have 3 EQ users

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thers alot of flying and levatate in gen 5 ou

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:23 AM

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brisk dagger this is your current suggested team, really weak to ice and everyone runs HP ice...

Don't use this

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This pigeonholes your team into just type chart matchups

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That doesn't accurately represent anything

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:24 AM

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you just have pokemon atm

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you don't have evs, ivs, or items

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leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:24 AM

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Also, a good six doesn't depend on pure typing viability and matchup charts

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to some extent sure, but not mostly

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:24 AM

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brisk dagger <@407676199179911169> swich out celibi back for rotem wash?

no, your team gets 6-0'd by keldeo otherwise

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:26 AM

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upper plume no, your team gets 6-0'd by keldeo otherwise

okay but with celibi it gets dominated by ice

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whitch is everwhere in everyteam in gen 5 ou

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:26 AM

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vale lagoon https://pokepast.es/10c2284829175c40 Gen3ou team

not bad, don't lead zard, switch yama for a probably tar?

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 6:26 AM

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Alrighty

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:26 AM

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and then do like

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 6:27 AM

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My bad, I forget that you can’t choose leads in older gens

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:27 AM

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could go jellicent instead of bi

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:27 AM

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lefties zard, ddtar, or something

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idk if you need mixmeta necessarily

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mixtar + agigross or ddtar + mixmeta imo?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:27 AM

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it's a tad soft into grounds but if you have skarmory + jellicent you can handle things

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scarf garchomp when you have two grounds sounds like landorus fodder tbh

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or gliscor fodder

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:28 AM

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upper plume could go jellicent instead of bi

if I switch out wash/celibi for jellicent i can also switch hippo for ttar

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:29 AM

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I think you came in with the mindset of making a sand stall team

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but yeah adding tyranitar makes the team a lot more consistent

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 6:29 AM

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leaden fiber mixtar + agigross or ddtar + mixmeta imo?

I’ll probably go ddtar, since Metagross was gonna be a bulky member

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:29 AM

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but it might just be my inexperience w/ hippowdon structures

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:29 AM

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Yeah

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Uh honestly consider ice zard on this

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:30 AM

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cuz skarmory + bulky drill still isn't enough to handle latios tbh

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:30 AM

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Ur not amazing into mixmence especially

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 6:30 AM

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Alrighty

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:30 AM

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With most cmpass bi -> zard teams I like ice

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 6:30 AM

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Or should I drop substitute for dragon claw?

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:30 AM

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Nah

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dclaw is a huge scam

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if you drop sub, it would be for beatup

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But I don't think you need to

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 6:31 AM

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Ahh okay

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 6:31 AM

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Especially with cmpass

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:31 AM

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upper plume scarf garchomp when you have two grounds sounds like landorus fodder tbh

who would i switch out chomp for then, the other rater is the one who said scarf chomp I my team I thought it would be good for alakazam

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:32 AM

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most scarfers handle alakazam fine enough

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actually spdef celebi does well into it

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unless it's running signal beam

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and if you're using a spdef celebi and a physdef skarmory

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:34 AM

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I thought we was gettign rid of celibi, makes my team weak to u-turn?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:34 AM

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physdef skarm handles mamoswine well

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:34 AM

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and pursuit trappers

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:35 AM

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maybe not perish song then

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if you're afraid of pursuit then we better have it use baton pass

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and if you want baton pass then perish song doesn't quite fit

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:36 AM

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no batan pass

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:36 AM

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baton pass is legal

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it's just that you can't pass stats with it

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but the problem w/ bp is that it also passes the perish song

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:37 AM

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im not sure how perish song is effective

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u turn just gets rid of it

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and is super effective

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:37 AM

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it's for reuniclus

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and substitute pokemon

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cuz your only other method of consistently beating cm reun is your own cm reun

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perish song is to beat setup pokes essentially

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and if you're afraid of u-turn then rocky helmet can be used with physical defense on skarmory

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it also makes you really good at wearing down excadrill

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:40 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1dd9da22ca81a317 okay so list everything you would change with this while adding a 6th

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cuz now im confused

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too many chnages have been made to the orignal team to keep track

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:40 AM

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I wouldn't use superpower on hippo for a start

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:41 AM

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you said 2 EQ users is fodder to land u turn

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and my team is weak to u turn

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like i said to many changes to keep track of

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:42 AM

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you had 3 eq users

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:42 AM

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if you could just take the pokepaste, and change it to how you would do it and paste it back would amke things 1000000000x simpler

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:48 AM

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https://pokepast.es/893e70af35b580fe

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potentially something like this

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rock slide on hippo lets you beat volcarona and thundy-t better

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rocky helmet on skarmory lets you punish u-turn from lando-t and excadrill for rapid spinning

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dual psychic types make you extremely good against rain teams (although you don't really have the best options for punishing tentacruel so that is a concern)

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exca's set is actually what @gritty scaffold gave me when I was building another team

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although that was with a second specially defensive steel so you might want to go to the old one and move the speed around

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and scarf terrakion is the scarfer that helps your team out the most, although scarf latios as a failsafe against dragons is also good

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the main problem is that this team doesn't have great ways to beat down gliscor (which is kinda expected, gliscor is pretty much immortal)

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:52 AM

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what happend to the jellicent you jsut told me to add lol

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:52 AM

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and also, you have 5 mons that are neutral/weak to water and a spdef bi

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:52 AM

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upper plume could go jellicent instead of bi

first word I said here was "could"

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and if you go physdef skarm you need jelli less

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252+ Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 130-154 (38.9 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

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and as for pursuit, you have ways of punishing tyranitar for entering (hazards, rocky helmet skarm, terrakion) and multiple forms of recourse against non-specs keldeo (celebi, reun, scarf rak)

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which is most keldeo that fit on sand

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yeah I think excadrill should just be the spdef set

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but I don't think the speed is necessary

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 6:59 AM

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how does perish song work without arena trap and stuff, whats stoping the enemy from just switching pokemon?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 6:59 AM

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that's the point

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you want to perish song on their setup sweeper

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 7:00 AM

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you stop them from setting up

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also helps in lastmon scenarios when you can't simply roar/whirlwind the mon out

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:00 AM

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you would have to correctly guess and switch in or else they will alrady do 1-2 set ups and be able to attack 1-2 times

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 7:00 AM

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Reun doesn't threaten cele immediately

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But without perish you can't do anything back either

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+2 psychic does like 25

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:01 AM

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maybe im just out of touch but 500 matches on smogon never once died to perish song so im not very well informed about it

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:02 AM

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your goal of perish song is not to kill opposing mons

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it's to make sure they don't kill yours

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cuz otherwise the problem with passive teams like this is that they can't do anything to cm reuniclus

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:04 AM

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siunce we have terra wouldnt you want toxic over rock slide

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or even over EQ?

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on hippo

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:07 AM

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I wouldn't drop EQ on hippo

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but you could definitely go with a different last move if you wanted

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toxic/whirlwind/ice fang/rock slide are the most common lasts

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it's ultimately up to you

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https://pokepast.es/c9da00e4867b664d
This would be a slightly better version of the team I put earlier

Hippo's last is up to you to decide; since it's not the primary volc/thundy check toxic and ww are probably best
Skarmory has 4 Speed EVs for speed creep on opposing Skarmory
Excadrill has had its Speed moved to Defense because the stuff it is used to creep (min Speed Lando-T and max Speed neutral nature Tyranitar) aren't big Speed tiers that you need to keep in mind. If you're really concerned about Adamant Choice Band Tyranitar (a very uncommon set btw), then 40 Speed EVs are fine to outrun it.

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:14 AM

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debaiting if a 2nd WW user or toxic setter would bebbetter

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learning into toxic

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:14 AM

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I'd go toxic as well on this team

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you're more strapped for options vs opposing rain than opposing ho

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especially since latios is a major problem

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:17 AM

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opposing ho?

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how do I deal with latios

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ferro was my latios check way back

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then skarm was

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then you changed form a mixed wall to def wall

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so latios will melt it

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:19 AM

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brisk dagger opposing ho?

ho = hyper offense

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and latios would be a problem for your team even if your skarm was spdef

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:20 AM

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latios and keldo are the 2 most used mons in gen 5, besides maybe ttar and toad but they have easy weaknesses

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:20 AM

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I think the best way to answer latios is to add a scarf tar to this team

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bulky core + scarf tar to pursuit trap dangerous threats

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:21 AM

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how would you do it

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:21 AM

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same core but scarf tar > scarf rak

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:21 AM

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I reset my cache and it wiped all my smogon teams

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:21 AM

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oh no!

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that's rough

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:22 AM

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would I still use terra with ttar?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:22 AM

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no

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you replace terrakion

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:23 AM

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didnt think so

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back to jelli?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:23 AM

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nah

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you don't need jelli

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it does less in comparison to celebi

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:24 AM

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keep hippo and Ttar?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:24 AM

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yes

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they can be paired together

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:25 AM

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thats what I was thinking

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thats spicy not gonna lie

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standerd Bulky Pursuit Trapper ttar with careful or adament?

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I was thinking careful at first but since hes replacing terra maybe adament?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:26 AM

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go with scarf tyranitar

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you need it to be your speed control

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:27 AM

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how would u do the EVs?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:28 AM

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https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/tyranitar/

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:29 AM

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but Rock slide over ice beam yeah?

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https://pokepast.es/98ce588e6d1ef0b8

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:30 AM

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my gut says yes but honestly it doesn't super matter

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 7:33 AM

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should I make rein into a sp def wall for water rain teams?

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celebi covers that

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i put grass knot on celibi for water checks

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:52 AM

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You can also do that

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 10:21 AM

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why is arena trapp banned in gen 5 but not gen 3?

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 1:02 PM

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Because it's significantly more overcentralizing

brisk dagger Nov 7, 2023, 1:10 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5c01f67ec2120493 rate my gen 5 ou rain team

karmic geyserBOT Nov 7, 2023, 1:10 PM

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gritty scaffold Nov 7, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Your team looks fine

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Although i am worried about your thundy mu. But ig all rain teams have some trouble with it

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I would maybe change refresh to toxic on politoed

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 2:54 PM

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gritty scaffold Although i am worried about your thundy mu. But ig all rain teams have some trou...

You should ideally have two electric resists

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Or if Latios is your sole thundurus check, give it a Lum berry

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And make keldeo the scarfer

vale lagoon Nov 7, 2023, 3:41 PM

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leaden fiber not bad, don't lead zard, switch yama for a probably tar?

Sorry for the early ping (it’s early where I’m at), but who would you recommend as a lead?

leaden fiber Nov 7, 2023, 3:44 PM

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cune

crisp saffron Nov 7, 2023, 5:42 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bfc85e7608a4c9ab gen5 ou sand volturn featuring Terrakion, I posted an earlier version here a while ago

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main changes were swapping scissor for excadrill, making celebi a sub BP set and making Terrak LO SD

gritty scaffold Nov 7, 2023, 7:06 PM

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i wouldnt recommend using eq on terak because what are you hitting with it that u arent with the stabs

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maybe x scizor over it

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you can also try use choice band over life orb and quick attack over sd

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you should prob use also a more offensive exca spread like the one from the smogon set.

upper plume Nov 7, 2023, 7:11 PM

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Yeah I don't really like Life Orb in BW

crisp saffron Nov 7, 2023, 7:22 PM

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gritty scaffold you can also try use choice band over life orb and quick attack over sd

I had cb for a while but I made it sd to capitalize on subs from celebi

gritty scaffold Nov 7, 2023, 7:24 PM

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well i doubt you are getting alot of free turns

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life orb only makes you die faster

crisp saffron Nov 7, 2023, 7:33 PM

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well a lot of the time I can just attack but if they ever try to pivot SD is an option

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I do like x scissor on it though ill try that

crisp saffron Nov 7, 2023, 7:55 PM

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gritty scaffold i wouldnt recommend using eq on terak because what are you hitting with it that ...

tentacruel btw I just kept it from the band set

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oh also I agree with more attack evs on exca but im gonna keep a lot of HP and spdef

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 2:26 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ebe86e09af511d14 gen 4 ou doing another Jolteon challenge

karmic geyserBOT Nov 8, 2023, 2:26 AM

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New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 2:26 AM

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Idk if this team needs to get rid of a ddancer or two and if there is a better lead than aero

brisk dagger Nov 8, 2023, 6:13 AM

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smogon dead?

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been seaching for a match for 10 mins now

upper plume Nov 8, 2023, 6:21 AM

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Smogon != PS

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And also this is late night US/EU

gritty scaffold Nov 8, 2023, 8:13 AM

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Well ladder of old gens is usually dead tbh

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 10:31 PM

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Damn I never got my help

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https://pokepast.es/30a22c17f0ea7d07 but can I Gen help w this 2nd Gen 3 ou team

karmic geyserBOT Nov 8, 2023, 10:32 PM

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hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 10:47 PM

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No bulk dd tar lead is a bit wonky

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Dd tar lead in general is wack

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 10:48 PM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/30a22c17f0ea7d07 but can I Gen help w this 2nd Gen 3 ou team

Also having a better gar spread would be better

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252 252 is only for super offensive teams with Hypno Gar

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Also Jolt can cut speed

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It really likes having max spa

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Because it’s base is so low

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So if you want bulk cut speed

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drill peck skarm would be quite nice here to allow you to not get rolled by Sub Herra

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More defensive gar would also help with that

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 10:52 PM

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Should I lead w Jolteon instead

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Aero speed ties matter I feel

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 10:53 PM

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Oh that’s true for not dropping speed

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If you want the areo speed tie then keep it

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 10:53 PM

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Skarm can roar Hera

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 10:53 PM

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Tyranitar @ Lum Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
Hidden Power: Grass
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

Fire Blast
Hidden Power [Grass]
Ice Beam
Brick Break

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Run this tar set

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You could slot on Slide if you really hate Molt

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 10:54 PM

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topaz sentinel Skarm can roar Hera

Cb Hera just comes in and fucks you up tho

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Did I say sub 💀

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Mb

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 10:55 PM

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Should I lead w someone else besides ttar

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 10:56 PM

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Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Def / 8 SpA / 112 SpD / 96 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Will-O-Wisp
Thunderbolt
Ice Punch
-Hp Grass/Boom

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Use this gar set

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Mixed tar lead is fine

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Probs your best option outside of jolt

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 10:56 PM

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hollow saddle Tyranitar @ Lum Berry Ability: Sand Stream Hidden Power: Grass EVs: 4 Atk ...

Alr I change to this set, also I got a team that’s similar to this except it’s still a ddance tar with a zapdos lead and aero instead gross, do u think pairing jolt/aero and zap/meta is a good idea because they cover each others weaknesses

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Or could the zapdos team use a faster mon

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 10:58 PM

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topaz sentinel Alr I change to this set, also I got a team that’s similar to this except it’s s...

Stacking Jolt and Zap is abit fishy imo but Meta/Electric/Areo/Spikes/Gar/Filler usually tar is super solid

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Idk if jolt/gross stacks on weaknesses

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 10:58 PM

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A little

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Oh no I think u got it mixed up I can dm u if u want

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Ok

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:08 PM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/30a22c17f0ea7d07 but can I Gen help w this 2nd Gen 3 ou team

^ the advice given above is not given by one of the approved adv ou helpers

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bulkless ddtar lead is fine

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dont use the gengar spread that was suggested

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:10 PM

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Was my old one time?

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Fine

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 11:11 PM

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Mb for giving miss info that was not my intention

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:11 PM

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your old one is mostly fine but u should make some changes

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:11 PM

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Nw

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 11:11 PM

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I will let you do it in the future vap

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:11 PM

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u can give ur advice but

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i think it is impt that u say

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ur not an approved adv helper

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 11:11 PM

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Ok

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:12 PM

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Besides this team and maybe a final look over at the hclat team I probably only want to make one more Gen 3 ou team and that will be it for Gen 3

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:12 PM

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first, jolteon is better with roar here bc u dont have blissey switchins

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baton pass is usually better with strong blissey switchins that can hit it hard immediately

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:12 PM

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Over twave or pass?

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:12 PM

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like offpert, bkctar, or cbmeta

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i would do roar > pass

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second thing is taunt skarm is pretty good here

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:13 PM

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Over protect?

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:13 PM

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yes

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drill peck / toxic is a bit of a tossup but taunt over protect here is good

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u will need a bit of speed to outspeed other skarm

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that speed is up to u

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:15 PM

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Ok so I got ddance tar, Jolteon w roar/wave/grass/bolt, old gengar set,

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:15 PM

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for gengar, this set is fine, but u might also wanna consider hypnosis > grass

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:15 PM

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Skarm w taunt

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 11:15 PM

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At least one thing I said was right

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:16 PM

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Is that all

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:17 PM

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hollow saddle At least one thing I said was right

the difference is hypnogar may want more defensive evs, but i need to think abt that

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its not obvious here

hollow saddle Nov 8, 2023, 11:18 PM

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Ic

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:18 PM

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the pert set is not optimal

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there are a few pert sets that are good on jolt teams

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:18 PM

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So real quick on the hclat team I got I changed pert to have standard defensive with beam/wuake

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Changed zapdos to have ice/toxic/prot

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:19 PM

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on defensive pert u prob want roar

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otherwise, offensive pert

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the pace of ur team suggests that offensive pert might be better

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:19 PM

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I like defensive pert so far

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:20 PM

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if u rly wanna use defensive pert

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consider surf focus punch roar protect or ice beam eq roar protect or surf toxic roar protect

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finally for agilimeta

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use leftovers on that

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usually on spikes teams i like to max hp instead

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:24 PM

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So the change u want me to make to the hclat team is just to pert?

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:25 PM

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i dont know what the hclat team is

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and the version u got is probably wrong

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:26 PM

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We’re the suggestions u gave me for pert just now for the team I just posted or the old team from a few days ago

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:26 PM

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the team you just posted has a jolteon

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i dont recall hclat publicly releasing a jolteon team

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btw smth interesting i would try is tauntgar + agilislide gross

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i dont know if it will work but it could be cool

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:28 PM

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Oh cuz u helped me with an hclat team a few days ago

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:28 PM

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topaz sentinel So the change u want me to make to the hclat team is just to pert?

oh i see what u mean. i thot i gave u a bunch of changes to that tar skarm zap gar aero pert team

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or was it that

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i asked u to watch a replay

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:28 PM

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I did watch it

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:28 PM

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i think i asked u to watch a replay

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:28 PM

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I ddint see all the moves

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But let’s start over rq, let’s just start with the team I just posted

polar nacelle Nov 8, 2023, 11:29 PM

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sorry im not going to reveal his team to u

topaz sentinel Nov 8, 2023, 11:29 PM

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So I got ddance tar, roar/grass Jolteon, offensive gar with hypnosis over grass, taunt skarm, defensive pert, and agility metagross (might replace explosion w slide) but it looks good?

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Yeah I wouldn’t expect u to, I want to tweek some things anyway to make it a bit unique

polar nacelle Nov 9, 2023, 3:17 AM

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topaz sentinel So I got ddance tar, roar/grass Jolteon, offensive gar with hypnosis over grass,...

Roughly yes. This version would probably prefer offensive pert to duel pert

topaz sentinel Nov 9, 2023, 3:27 AM

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polar nacelle Roughly yes. This version would probably prefer offensive pert to duel pert

standard offense u mean with focus punch/hydro/beam/eq or the standard defensive just w hydro pump over refresh?

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i have to wonder what alakazam is doing here

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i do like the idea, sand with tang

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but i think you are gonna need some extra pivots here just to get exca in

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rotom>pex makes a lot of sense to me to get exca in

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and zam should definitely go

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either for corvi (in which case you would want SD drill) or for lele, which is just strictly better here

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corvi is good for slow turn and removal outside of drill

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and lele is good because it is lele and it is broken

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(also future sight + drill is stronk)

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if you do run lele and if you do want future sight lele

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you oculd potentially run eject button tangrowth to set that up

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not a requirement tho by any means

shut cipher Nov 9, 2023, 7:16 AM

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hasty ingot i have to wonder what alakazam is doing here

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shut cipher Nov 9, 2023, 7:18 AM

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hasty ingot (also future sight + drill is stronk)

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kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:00 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7ee82287d34fe2fd GSC OU

karmic geyserBOT Nov 9, 2023, 7:00 PM

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New OU RMT @half jungle, @silver reef, @fresh thistle, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:00 PM

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Stalk on lax to start

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:01 PM

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Oh

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LOL

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It was meant to be Talk

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:01 PM

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and uh this is really weak to eq lax first off

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also no ground resist is kinda worrywhirl

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:02 PM

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Doesnt Breon help with that?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:02 PM

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no

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:02 PM

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(The Lax bit)

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:02 PM

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cause its a crit magnet

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:02 PM

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So whats replaceable?

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Vaporeon?

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With Eggy?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:02 PM

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prolly missy

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:03 PM

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What mon replaces missy?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:03 PM

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cause u have firelax check in umbreon (to an extent)

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for skarm

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:03 PM

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Kk

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:03 PM

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also u def dont need 4 stalk mons

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:03 PM

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Replace STalk on Lax?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:03 PM

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i dont really like vapo w.o any boom mons

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:03 PM

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Or on Umbre

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:04 PM

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cause ur like never disposing electrics with this

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well easily that is

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:04 PM

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kind shadow Replace STalk on Lax?

ya

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u can use curse eq lax for example

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or 3 atks

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:04 PM

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I could replace Forre with Golem?

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Maybe

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https://pokepast.es/19408627135fbf68

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Heres what it looks like now

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:06 PM

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hm

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I prolly would not do this w.o a phazer personally

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:07 PM

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Doesnt Skarm phase?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:07 PM

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Oh ur missing curse

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Yea use curse

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Curse toxic ww rest

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:07 PM

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On skarm?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:07 PM

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Ye

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Or last mon curse lax 6-0s this

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:08 PM

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I could replace forre with steelix and vap with cloyster

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Maybe

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Decompress the spikes and spin role

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:08 PM

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Also i think starmie or zapdos is better than vapo

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On stall

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Vapos as i said is never winning w.o a reliable way to remove electrics

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:08 PM

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Double Elec?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:08 PM

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Yea

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Double elec forre umb

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:09 PM

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Doesnt this struggle into Golem?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:09 PM

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How so

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:09 PM

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(And god forbid that one guy who brings rhydon)

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:09 PM

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silver reef How so

Nothing really switches into it

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If it hits the field

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:09 PM

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hm?

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What do u mean

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Whats golem doing to zapdos

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Spin is annoying yes

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But its not gonna spin forever vs this

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:10 PM

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True

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Should I go Roar/WW on one of the

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Elecs?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:10 PM

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Rhydon is annoying yes but its doable

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:11 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cef03ac1d3e63cf3

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How about now then?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f1805ccd0ffae66b this is what i did just now

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:13 PM

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Whats KissLax for?

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:13 PM

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u have suit on umbreon

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so u can cheat lk on lax

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the goal is to sleep one of the spiker or the normal resist

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and into offense

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its extremely problematic

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cause lk lax is the hardest mon to scout ever

kind shadow Nov 9, 2023, 7:14 PM

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True

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Ty

upper plume Nov 9, 2023, 7:15 PM

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Catching cloy with LK kinda guarantees no spikes for half the battle

silver reef Nov 9, 2023, 7:15 PM

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yea and when ur spinner is shit mon forre

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its a massive difference

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even then landing the kiss on golem or lix is still good

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the spiker is the primary prey tho with lk lax

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on this team anyways

gritty scaffold Nov 9, 2023, 11:43 PM

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you should specify the gen when posting pokepaste so you ping the raters

peak canyon Nov 9, 2023, 11:55 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f896b2fd640e2a24 Gen 7 Doubles OU

karmic geyserBOT Nov 9, 2023, 11:55 PM

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New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vast oracle Nov 10, 2023, 12:17 AM

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forsenThink

upper plume Nov 10, 2023, 12:17 AM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/f896b2fd640e2a24 Gen 7 Doubles OU

I'd ask in https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158 because this is for old gens singles ou

vast oracle Nov 10, 2023, 12:17 AM

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Cant help with that one bud sry

upper plume Nov 10, 2023, 12:17 AM

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otherwise

karmic geyserBOT Nov 10, 2023, 12:17 AM

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upper plume Nov 10, 2023, 12:18 AM

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I'd ask in the doubles ou discord

desert heart Nov 10, 2023, 9:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/7c8539f828a0c4f0
Gen 3 building around with Metagross

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polar nacelle Nov 10, 2023, 12:18 PM

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desert heart https://pokepast.es/7c8539f828a0c4f0 Gen 3 building around with Metagross

You need ice beam on blissey

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Use standard spdef gar

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Wow ice punch tbolt taunt

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Use ice beam over counter on Blissey

sterile jewel Nov 10, 2023, 1:59 PM

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https://pokepast.es/00830afbdc4c8e44 Is this Gen 8 OU team good? How can I improve it?

karmic geyserBOT Nov 10, 2023, 1:59 PM

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New OU RMT @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

topaz sentinel Nov 11, 2023, 4:50 AM

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https://pokepast.es/032fd21ddeb39d6d hopefully one of my last Gen 3 ou teams I will make, wanna center this one around gengar/mence

karmic geyserBOT Nov 11, 2023, 4:50 AM

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topaz sentinel Nov 11, 2023, 4:50 AM

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I also wouldn’t mind if I could get some previously looked at team checked one more time

polar nacelle Nov 11, 2023, 5:16 AM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/032fd21ddeb39d6d hopefully one of my last Gen 3 ou teams I w...

I somewhat recall commenting on a similar team and saying ur special defense was too weak

topaz sentinel Nov 11, 2023, 5:18 AM

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I think my teams just have the same three mons but the other three r usually diff

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Ok how could I fix the sp def issue (no blissey)

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Honestly I don’t mind getting rid of swampert and zapdos for that team

polar nacelle Nov 11, 2023, 5:40 AM

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Spdef zap, refresh pert especially with surf tox, bulky ttar, aero

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Basically all the mons on the hclat team help

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Also use the faster evs on gengar

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If u scroll through the gengar analysis on smogon u will find it a little down in the description of the taunt set

topaz sentinel Nov 11, 2023, 5:46 AM

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Oh damn I’m not tryna recreate it lol

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I already got me a modified hclat team, and then another modified hclat team except with Jolteon/gross over dos/aero that I believe u looked over alr if u wanna see it again rq

polar nacelle Nov 11, 2023, 9:52 AM

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Well whatever u do

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Just do something about the spdef on that team

bitter crag Nov 11, 2023, 4:21 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d746ca74647d7392

topaz sentinel Nov 11, 2023, 5:30 PM

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polar nacelle Just do something about the spdef on that team

Wb if I got sp def jirachi set or the calm mind set over zapdos for ex

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And just go offensive gengar w taunt, ice, bolt, boom

topaz sentinel Nov 11, 2023, 6:00 PM

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Should I still go surf/tox/refresh/prot pert after that and bulky ttar or should I go fast mixed ttar

polar nacelle Nov 11, 2023, 10:44 PM

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topaz sentinel Wb if I got sp def jirachi set or the calm mind set over zapdos for ex

Three steels with no fire counterplay sounds rly weak to fire

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And when u use spdef rachi u need to think abt how ur gonna deal with gar

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And dont lose to cune

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Also taunt gar is not an offensive set

bitter crag Nov 11, 2023, 11:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2c8f0ff443023603

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 5:36 AM

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polar nacelle Three steels with no fire counterplay sounds rly weak to fire

Ok I’ll just drop it instead, but for the Jolteon team I have, if I ever want to, is choice band aero good enough to replace gross or nah gross fits way better? here’s the team https://pokepast.es/1f531a9facf5c1c1

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I’ve also been considering going protect over taunt for skarm how is that? Also is grass or ice better for jolt

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:23 AM

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topaz sentinel Ok I’ll just drop it instead, but for the Jolteon team I have, if I ever want to...

the jolteon team? i only see a zapdos here

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:24 AM

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bitter crag https://pokepast.es/2c8f0ff443023603

you should type gen x where x is a number so that the bot picks it up

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:26 AM

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Opps wrong team

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Hang on

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https://pokepast.es/fa6cea42a23f43ae @polar nacelle

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My b, potential changes I’m not sure of if I need r ice on Jolteon, protect on skarm over taunt

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:28 AM

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if u use aero > meta, then use defensive roar pert, and hypnosis on gengar

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keep grass on jolt

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:28 AM

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And while we’re at it

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Should I pick a different lead for the team or it’s fine

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:29 AM

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and use bkctar or cbtar

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:29 AM

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What’s cb

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:29 AM

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ttar lead is good, just use one of the more immediate ttar sets

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choice band

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:30 AM

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Oh oh

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Bulky or speedy ttar?

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Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
IVs: 30 SpD / 30 Spe
Adamant Nature

Rock Slide
Earthquake
Hidden Power Bug
Focus Punch

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Tyranitar @ Lum Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

Fire Blast
Hidden Power Grass
Ice Beam
Brick Break

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:31 AM

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choice band should be speedy

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:31 AM

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I don’t want choice band

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:32 AM

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im a bit more in favour of speedy here

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:32 AM

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So the second one

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:32 AM

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first one with speed is what i'd go for

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:32 AM

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I feel magneton becomes a slightly bigger problem cuz the ones I been seeing run grass

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:33 AM

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or maybe hp grass > hp bug

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dont worry about magneton

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thats the last thing u should be worrying about

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:33 AM

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Metagross also will be a problem still

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Idk I guess I been thinking that things w super effective stabs will still be able to kill it since it’s still not faster than much and no bull investment

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:34 AM

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topaz sentinel Idk I guess I been thinking that things w super effective stabs will still be ab...

i dont understand what ur referring to here

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:36 AM

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Like starmie, metagross, breloom for ex

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Even w speed investment I feel those guys have been p common

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:36 AM

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kill what?

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:36 AM

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And will likely kill tar cuz it’s still slower than them

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And dugtrio

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:36 AM

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its not like having hp changes anything

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:37 AM

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I thought if it gets a ddance it could at least get a hit off

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Since it’s at least faster at that point

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:37 AM

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dont use dragon dance there

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you need to find a way to hit skarm hard

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:38 AM

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True, I thought Jolteon, gengar and seampert do that well

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:39 AM

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jolteon is not hitting skarm

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gengar is not hitting skarm

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pert is hitting skarm a bit but ur not gonna switch into pert just to hit skarm

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the main good thing about having a ddtar is that it helps u vs dol teams a bit better

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but u could also consider using a dbond gar

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to prevent dol from spinning

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:41 AM

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One other thing Ik roar is somewhat common, should I be putting my Pokémon in a certain order to maybe make it so if one gets roared out a spikes immune Pokémon will take its place and not a spikes weak mon

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:41 AM

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one interesting thing id try is lum berry fast bkctar

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:41 AM

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Yeah claydol is not the easiest for this team

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:42 AM

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topaz sentinel One other thing Ik roar is somewhat common, should I be putting my Pokémon in a ...

i thought roar is random

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lol

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did i get my mechanics wrong all these years

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:42 AM

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Wait is it?

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Oh it is random

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I thought it was next in line

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I’m considering destiny bond over explosion for gengar

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Cuz it could still deal with blissey if it attacks

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:44 AM

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dbond is really mostly for dol

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sometimes for tar and meta but really mostly for dol

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you can explode on blissey

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:46 AM

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I don’t need both right?

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Also if leftovers on gross good or lum for spore and twave

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:47 AM

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using both is not unheard of but its not necessary

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:47 AM

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Leaning more towards bond over explosion

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Also is protect over taunt ok for skarm

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I haven’t used taunt much

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:48 AM

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id prob stick with taunt

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helps u to damage skarm better

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:48 AM

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Skarm dittos yeah

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:48 AM

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i prefer leftovers on gross for spikes teams

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:48 AM

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I’m still stumped between what ttar set I should do

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I feel fire blast and grass would be good to have on it

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Well I still feel I got plenty of methods to deal with skarm

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Pert,gross,mie,mence is what could be a problem

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:50 AM

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hello yall

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:50 AM

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then try it, but u would lose to milo a bit more

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:51 AM

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so im considering getting back in gen 3 ou

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and i was wondering to see if i can get a team ranked

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:51 AM

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Idkman it’s a pretty hard meta idkman

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:51 AM

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i built a couple but i think they are pretty trash

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:51 AM

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Haha I’m jk someone will probably do it for u

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:51 AM

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topaz sentinel Idkman it’s a pretty hard meta idkman

hehehe you are like the 100th dude whos made that joke lmao

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alrighty kewl

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:51 AM

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I’m so funny

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:51 AM

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gimme a sec to post the team

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wait how do you post teams

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isnt there like a website to do it

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:52 AM

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polar nacelle then try it, but u would lose to milo a bit more

R u still adamant I do the fast physical set

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:52 AM

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yes

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:52 AM

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peak canyon wait how do you post teams

Go to team builder open the team and go to pokepaste button at the bottom and copy the link it takes u to

topaz sentinel Nov 12, 2023, 6:53 AM

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polar nacelle yes

So eq,slide,fp,grass with what nature/item

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:53 AM

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https://pokepast.es/6993487faa6b3ebc

polar nacelle Nov 12, 2023, 6:53 AM

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i think lum is nice on these kinds of teams

peak canyon Nov 12, 2023, 6:53 AM

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heres my gen 3 ou team

#Old Gens OU