Old Gens OU

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @weak mirage, @red delta, @night bridge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[kind shadow]

For Zap I either boom with Lax or trade with Bull

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/25f5070c1ca36920 usum ou help

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast oracle]

Scarf fini isn’t a thing in sm, just go for the standard defensive. Can run defog (especially with zone to deal with ferro) or trapper sets (pressures pex for msciz and slowbro for chomp). If you opt to run defog, then zapdos has more freedom for 3a + roost with hp ice

Not a fan of hawlucha on BO structures like this either. I'd rather change it to a different speed control/late-game cleaner that is more flexible ingame, and ideally something that works well with zone & z rock chomp, like kart or serp

[peak canyon]

Scarf kart?

[vast oracle]

yeah whoops meant to say the scarf sets on both

[peak canyon]

Oh are u sure triple steel is ok?

[vast oracle]

kart and zone arent your typical defensive steel

[peak canyon]

I wanna also be not weak to m venusaur

[vast oracle]

you have chomp + fini to soft check stuff like heatran and volc too

mvenu is very niche idt it's that big of a deal

but if you want to improve that matchup without changing the team too much

then maybe scarf lele

[peak canyon]

Instead of fini?

[vast oracle]

still works well with zone

nah, the kart

[peak canyon]

Or instead of kart

Oh alr

[vast oracle]

also lets you run away frm the triple steel :p

though i've ran triple non-heatran steel before

kart+msciz+mage and kart+mage+mmaw

[outer crescent]

https://pokepast.es/31dcd16d6b622006

SM OU, wanted to play w MGyara

Made this

@vast oracle sm player help

Edit: made volcarona 4 HP to activate sitrus immediately on switch-in into Stealth Rock

[vast oracle]

looks pretty standard for a mgyara+lucha screens team yea

though it's usually mage over volc

i think volc fits better on those utility serp (and mdia) HOs that has sturdier hazard control, which your team lacks, especially because your lead isn't exca

regardless, couple of changes on the other mons:

• make kommoo the belly drum set instead
• you dont really need tpunch on lucha. doesnt hit anything relevant that hjk+acro already does, especially cause it's not boosted by eterrain. run sub/taunt/roost/stone edge over it. I think there's a better spread with some bulk and without wasting speed evs but it's pretty whatever if you still go with max/max
• mgyara's role on HO is first and foremost a stallbreaker, so you want to run sub or taunt over waterfall, especially since crunch+eq gives you the necessary coverage already. generally it's sub on a screens team
• consider uturn on koko over wild charge, but keeping it still fine

if you want to keep volc, at least run lead exca. but if not, you can change it for magearna (setup magearna behind screens, come on now, too good to pass up lol). Either way, the volc/mage gives you your zmove user

[outer crescent]

Back

Lemme check lol

[outer crescent]

Ah i didnt realize it wasnt boosted by terrain lmao

So bdrum kommo, sub > waterfall on gyara

Something > punch on lucha

And debatable pivot on koko

Oh and maybe mage over volc

[vast oracle]

ye cause you're not grounded

[outer crescent]

Yea lol

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/f58ff6e2322b5962

stall gen8ou

[tribal smelt]

Too much dumb shit for no real reason.

[peak canyon]

like what

avalugg yes

tell me what to change instead of just insulting it

[tribal smelt]

There's too much to list

Just made the changes

https://pokepast.es/c05a99fadf311db9

Edrala team that has been used by Soulwind and others in tour. Lead pex, press toxic or tspikes or knock then voltturn them to death with Zap and corv
This is better and apes what you're trying to do way better than anything that can solve the issues with the team

[tropic schooner]

gimme a sec

[tropic schooner]

First of all, Lando-T is completely unviable on stall due to reliance on wish for longevity and overall not serving any extra purpose other than things stall mons like Zapdos can do.
Secondly, Avalugg should only be used if youre super duper uber weak to Dragonite and Weavile and Garchomp, which you are not. Other than that Lugg is exploitable and a pretty middling remover due to not getting to switch much and the stuff it tries to switch into generally have Knock Off or Toxic.
The move choices are sorta weird, Shadow Ball on Blissey doesn't do much, if you are that scared of Blacephalon run Thunder Wave or Gastrodon>Quagsire. U-Turn is not needed on Jirachi because you do not rely on Jirachi wishing up smth like Weavile or Hydreigon on this team. Pex needs Knock Off and Toxic on this more than Haze, you alrdy have Quagsire and would rather have more progress-making against Glowking, Hydreigon, Ursh-R and stuff.
Team needs a general grass check somewhere, an actual Flying like Zapdos>Lando-T works. Then the last slot is up to preference tbh, you can do smth like an AV Glowking, go Double Flier with Corv, run some sorta Torn-T, even run CM Clef to get a wincon against bulkier stuff. The first flier generally is the removal option here, you can test Zapdos + Corv Double Defog with Rocks Blissey and Toxic Jirachi, NP Torn-T Defog Zapdos Rocks Rachi ToxAroma Bliss, Defog Torn-T Pressure Zap ToxAroma Bliss Rocks Rachi, AV Glowking Defog Zap Ice Punch Rachi Rocks Bliss, CM Clef Toxic Rachi Rocks Bliss

(Toxic Rachi hits Volcarona, Ice Punch Rachi hits Lando-T and Bulky Chomp and Zapdos)

the paste cyber posted is fine too

[peak canyon]

k thanks

lando and avalugg are kind of fodder looking back on it, and shadow ball isnt good in most scenarios

good points and that team that was pasted looks good

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/180e9e8b94c4ec29 USM ou. ive tried to build with mega hera

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast oracle]

no rocks?

also mlati@s look annoying to face

[vast oracle]

some reccs:

• ashgren for a better mlati and offense matchup (which mhera can struggle with)
• run spdef heatran over mage for rocks + further fire resist. with toxic means you can pressure mlati further too
• make bulu more spdef + zmove for a sturdier agren matchup now that you dropped mage. more longevity is better to support mhera anyways. personally prefer protect over synthesis for the rain matchup but nbd

[gritty scaffold]

Oh yea true i forgot s rocker but ty for the suggestion

[tribal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/b3c8200764944049 SS OU. Was staring at this for a while and the core idea is fun enough but I have absolutely no idea if its' realistic

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid tiger]

This lowkey makes me uncomfy since you have to use shed to check fs without sash and needing to protect it at all cost

[tribal smelt]

Yes, shedinja variants without boots or a bounce play really dangerous

You're basically spending the early mid and late hard defogging

I've seen it work and been meaning to ram an alt up on ladder with shedinja stalls

And this one is more a thought experiment to see how far 2 birds can carry shed

[orchid tiger]

Fair it’s looks solid

Even tho I still don’t like the shed tbh

[tribal smelt]

Shed is so weird but so fun as stall imo

Some MUs it straight up exodias

Others you're playing whack a mole and you're the gopher

As for EVs its what I usually run on scald pex

I hate melmetal creep wars may as well scald fish them

[orchid tiger]

Yeah I figured

[tribal smelt]

Oh actually

I guess I can use Mandibuzz here

->

Zap

[hasty ingot]

Shed on sand is just bad

I'd make the hippo sand force if you're gonna run shed (tho I think shed is just bad in general)

Also if you're gonna run pressure zap, I kinda like sub charge beam

Cause you don't need two foggers

And even stall needs some sort of win condition

Though usually that is reuniclus or dnite

[tidal jewel]

https://pokepast.es/5aa73d0fc20b0717 Gen 3 OU. Is there anything I can do to improve this team?

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[polar nacelle]

What do you want to keep?

If you want a forre offense, try hp ghost boom

Dont use pursuit tar, just use ddtar

And dont use zapdos, or at least not that set

[tidal jewel]

Why not zap? Also I’d like to keep forre because it survives magneton’s hp fire and kills it with eq

[polar nacelle]

If you are trying to do forre offense then dont put eq on it

Its more impt that u dont want skarm to be spiking on u for free

So ghost spikes spin boom

Zap operates in a manner more suitable for pivoty play

Its not really good at breaking and neither is it good at sweeping

If u rly wanna use zap the most usable zap on this kind of team would prob be dpeck fight tbolt for breaking pert

But it would not be a sweeper

Protect toxic is also a possibility

But that is more pivoty

The aero set might also need to be changed to sub to support the pace of the team

[tidal jewel]

I use it mostly to fake band meta with agility pass, although I could just switch meta to band. I’m not attached to zap honestly though, and I was already considering switching something to pert for the rock resist

[polar nacelle]

Ur not doing any faking except vs low elo players

Band meta is not it when u dont have any defensive backbone or offensive counterplay

[tidal jewel]

Gotcha

Should I switch zap just in general?

[polar nacelle]

U may even need to use offpert here for more pivoty support and pert breaking

I would prob change zap

The thing to understand abt forre is that in 95% of cases it is a slow paced mon so ur building smth out of the ordinary already

In these 5% of cases you dont pivot, you just boom, then it becomes a hyper offense

Then ur team needs to act like a hyper offense

You have too many sweepers and too little breakers

I recommend u to read my offense teambuilding guide which is a pdf bunch of powerpoint slides

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-ou-teambuilding-strategy-archetypes-and-cores-a-data-driven-approach.3654874/post-9810020

[tidal jewel]

Cool, will do. Thanks for the advice!

[polar nacelle]

Np

Tag me if u want a response i dont check this channel otherwise

[cold yew]

https://pokepast.es/44301e1f66a2c4aa ADV OU

I really wanted to try building with Hariyama, and I decided to go with a stall build where hariy knocks off lefties and then u win with residual spikes/sand damage instead of any real breaking power. Milotic and Celebi have good defensive synergy together and form the defensive backbone of the team. Ttar is largely for sand, and I opted for pursiut tar to trap Gengar which makes spinning much easier. Skarm and Claydol are the spiker and spinner, respectively.

Some weaknesses: Zapdos gives this team some trouble, especially if it's HP Ice. That's the main reason why ttar has Ice Beam. Taunt + Dragon Dance Gyarados also basically 6-0es this team, and CM spam is a bit annoying too since Skarm is the only phazer.

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

im not team rater but. That ttar should be dd tbh u really lack physical attackers

[cold yew]

would bkc tar also work

[gritty scaffold]

hmm one moment

[cold yew]

(4 attacks physical)

[gritty scaffold]

yea just thinking if would fit here

[polar nacelle]

Your ttar should be physical yes but probably not for reasons leoperi is thinking abt

[gritty scaffold]

i just think the team is very weak to stuff like blissey already well hari helps a bit

[polar nacelle]

No

Non cm bliss is perfectly manageable with milo and cel

Physical ttar is for rachi and defcune

The team will still be a bit weak to dug but whatever

[cold yew]

okok ty!

any other feedback?

or is it good otherwise

[polar nacelle]

If ur using heal bell on celebi u might as well use rest skarm and lead it

[cold yew]

rest over protect i assume?

[polar nacelle]

The problem with yama lead is facing subzap is extremely scary and u dont rly know what to do

Yeah

[cold yew]

and ttar dd or 4atks?

[polar nacelle]

But well

If u are willing to knock t1 on sub and ww t2 its not too bad

[gritty scaffold]

i have a feeling heracross might be scary although with milo you should be fine

[cold yew]

i haven't had any issues w hera

[polar nacelle]

4atks gives u a better out vs cune bc fpunch but im wondering if u can make things even better vs dug with sub

Ur weak to hera with this and u have to accept it

Dpeck skarm and more bulk on celebi

[cold yew]

just making sure drop toxic right

[gritty scaffold]

ye

[cold yew]

and where should the bulk go

[polar nacelle]

Yes

[cold yew]

should i do 308 speed? or lower

[polar nacelle]

Spdef

At most 270 speed

Im more concerned abt dug

[cold yew]

i mean if im hera weak i should probs outspeed right

[polar nacelle]

And wanting hp grass on the celebi

Not really

[gritty scaffold]

depends

[polar nacelle]

Im more worried abt dug

Either 244 celebi or 270

[cold yew]

wait what is 270 for again

[polar nacelle]

Hera

[cold yew]

adamant?

[polar nacelle]

Yes

[cold yew]

gotcha

244 is obv

ttar

[polar nacelle]

Im more worried abt dug so maybe grass over bell instead

Then protect back on skarm maybe

[cold yew]

then i should go back to prot on skarm

yea

[polar nacelle]

But its not clear

[gritty scaffold]

you could mayb go with bp on celebi just to scout for the dug but unsure on what move

[polar nacelle]

Protect is conventional but rest might be doable

[cold yew]

i might stick with bell tbh

[polar nacelle]

Of course its up to you

I think yama teams are mostly flawed so pick the matchup u wanna win

[cold yew]

https://pokepast.es/ec8d565938a3c12b

so hows this

[gritty scaffold]

i think u should lead with ttar tbh. atleast most mus wont be that troublesome

[cold yew]

true

i can always go milo on mence or smth like that

[gritty scaffold]

yea or meta

[polar nacelle]

Its 5/10

[cold yew]

wdym

[polar nacelle]

But thats not a moveset fault

[cold yew]

oh the team

[polar nacelle]

Its just yama tar teams are like that

[cold yew]

would something like

[gritty scaffold]

mayb u could use pory2 to be a bit less weak to dug but i dont think it rly fits here

[cold yew]

replacing skarm with forre to compress spikes/spin then replacing claydol w/p2 work

just an idea

[polar nacelle]

The main consideration i have now is whether u could fit hp bug on yama

[cold yew]

what would hp bug hit

[gritty scaffold]

celebi mainly i think

[polar nacelle]

Then u die to cmers or gar even worse

Bug hits the recover mons

[cold yew]

oh yeah mie too

[polar nacelle]

Which absorb knock

But yeah i dont rly believe in yama ttar

So thats abt as good as u can do

[warped veldt]

https://pokepast.es/0a952822951af7de gen 8 OU.

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hasty ingot]

goin down the mons

SD > hone claws every time

i know the purpose of hone claws is to not miss

but if you do the math, SD is just better

effective BP of triple axel is 108

108 * 2 = 216

this is better than 120 * 1.5 which is 180

band kart is a pretty rare pick and I don't really mind it but you gotta have better speed control on such an offensive team than just koko if you're running it

[vivid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/42df4b42f19b3331 sm ou

[hasty ingot]

scarf is probably better

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hasty ingot]

i like the vic set but you don't need sands if you're running chomp pretty much

encore is a cool move vic gets the puts in work vs fat

on this team i'd honestly just run SD chomp, might as well just go fully offense here

lefties probably help the most, smth like sd/quake/one of scale shot or stone edge/rocks

i don't think grimmsnarl does much of anything on this team, i'd rather see it be a torn

[warped veldt]

alright

[vast oracle]

i'd lean into a fatter team imo, which mvenu builds tend to be.

• remove fini and agren for sturdier defensive pieces, which is more mandatory in this type of structure. I can see skarm here but the 2 free slots you have now cant cover all the stuff you need, so i'd recommend removing it too, especially since you're not using it for spikes. i'd run chansey + slowbro + gliscor instead, gives you a volt switch immunity & cover even more mons like mmedi, volc, and zardy that otherwise runs through the team. the core still gives you your rocks + defog too. standard chansey & defog gliscor sets, but slowbro is pretty customizeable here imo. z psychic + future sight to lure pex for mvenu and weavile, takes knock from opposing weavile better, and takes trick from victini; or rindo + flamethrower to lure SD kart and pressures steel types like msciz and ferro better for weavile.
• run CB weavile instead; life orb makes you die too quickly and SD sets (with z move) in general are better on more offensive teams. Gives you a pursuit trapper that punishes annoying mons like hoopau, victini, lele, and torn-t, especially useful to make mvenu unbreakable, and the immediate extra power means you threaten out mons like kart & heatran better.

[vivid kraken]

Thanks but i cant remove fini thats what the core is around

[vast oracle]

Looks more like an attempt at building a team built around mvenu tbh, which clashes with what fini usually fits in

[vivid kraken]

Oh ic

Maybe i should use volcarona over venu then

[vast oracle]

They’re not really interchangeable (since they fill different roles) but fini+volc in general is fine yea. I recommend starting from scratch and build around that core

[vivid kraken]

Ok i will

Thx

[vivid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/596f1b2d630e3367

Sm ou

@vast oracle i cooked it again

[vast oracle]

• Mmedi over mlop cause otherwise your offensive cores struggle against toxapex. Works with weavile better in general cause it pursuit traps bulky psychics (and random ghosts)
• choice scarf landorus-t over gliscor for speed control. Double defog is fine too cause you have volc + weavile
• stealth rock + hwish on jirachi over wishtect
• ice shard on weavile over low kick

[vivid kraken]

Ok thx

[tidal jewel]

@polar nacelle I read over the slideshow, and I think I understood most of it. I made a new team, is it at least decent? https://pokepast.es/2736851887dd57f1 (ADV OU)

[polar nacelle]

If u understood then explain every step to me

Cos i dont even see the first step

Lets say starmie causes a switch to blissey. What happens?

[tidal jewel]

I usually go to Suicune and try to set up on it. Most of Blissy's kit can't touch it

[polar nacelle]

And then u cm up and rest

Then?

[tidal jewel]

after the cm boosts surf does around 50%, so it can overpower the Bliss

[polar nacelle]

No

Thats not gonna happen

Suicune will rest first and get roared out

[tidal jewel]

ah. I didn't think of that. crap

I was trying to build around agil pass into Hera because I think Hera is very good. I tried to make Starmie as a lead for the team as it threatens most leads other than Zap, and it seemed like it would support the team nicely overall. I wanted the Special Ttar mostly for Swampert and Gengar, as it would be difficult to break them otherwise. I was using Flygon as a general utility, and as a safe pivot for Aero after a scout and Cele. I tried using Suicune to have a special mon I could pass to as well, so that I wasn't always forced to pass to Hera

[gritty scaffold]

sir this is old gens ou

go to natdex ou rates

[glossy sinew]

That’s locked

Or am I missing something

Sorry about that

[gritty scaffold]

well then go to the natdex ou server use /directory on #comp-general or somewhere

[glossy sinew]

Kk thank you

[kind shadow]

https://pokepast.es/87ec57b85dac8dd1

Gen 1 OU team

[granite skiff]

https://pokepast.es/a93a3b6aa953cde6 gen 5

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[odd narwhal]

Sand team looks pretty good. What’s Taunt on Keldeo-Resolute for?

[granite skiff]

i didn't have anything else for it so i just put taunt

[gritty scaffold]

that ferro should have gyro ball / powerwhip over twave or leech bc it cant be so passive. also invest some spdef in it so it can tank special moves better , lando should have hp ice over stone edge. Also i think this keldeo prob could be 4 atks with icy wnd > hp ice and hp grass > taunt

[odd narwhal]

Was about to say, Power Whip/Gyro Ball over Knock Off so Ferro doesn’t become setup for Sub users, among others. HP fire over Taunt for Scizor/Skarmory.

[gritty scaffold]

Knock is alot better idk what ur on about hes one of the few viable users besides clef , gliscor and maybe lando

[upper plume]

you kinda look like you're short on some speed control

[gritty scaffold]

I mean scarf latios mayb fine

[upper plume]

hmm

is there a reason you opted to make your lando-t slow and defensive?

[gritty scaffold]

I assume better mu vs drill

[novel brook]

Am new to team building

[leaden fiber]

u dont have evs

and i dont know what gen this is (probably gen7)

[upper plume]

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[karmic geyser]

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[novel brook]

sorry about the EVS! https://pokepast.es/be305669ca6fa030

I know nothing about making a pvp team so this is what i have so far

Any tips appreciated!

this is gen 6 I think

ORAS OU

[upper plume]

you have 5 mons

[novel brook]

Yea im wondering what would be a good 6th because Im not sure what to run

[upper plume]

you look like you could use some speed control

[flint ridge]

Ye

[polar nacelle]

ur not thinking about this specifically enough.

1. if u intend to sweep with pass to hera (notwithstanding the issues with that approach, but dont let it discourage u), then u need to consider how ur gonna deal with mence. as u rightly pointed out u need an alternative which is cune, but nowhere in your logic have u mentioned mence, yet it is probably going to be the flyer on about 40% of teams. so it is suicune would be used for the mence matchup, then u can think of suit tar for targeting gar and cune for dealing with mence endgames.
2. starmie doesnt threaten leads, the most it does is trade vs suit tar/meta/zap, and mence skarm are perhaps switching to bliss. so if bliss, then what?
3. don't add mons for "general utility". that flygon is doing nothing as long as u cannot identify the sequence of moves that would lead to its use.

what u need to do is to identify a sequence of moves that would lead to ur mons revealing themselves. then u will know whether they are useful or not

imagine a game vs tar skarm bliss pert gar mie/aero, how do the first few moves go?

how/when is pursuit tar going to come out?

pursuit tar is not trapping gar as long as nothing is actually going to encourage gar to come in

if u say "well hera will lure gar" that kinda contradicts with ur endgame

bc unless u can get hera in safely, it will be chipped, then it has no opportunity to set up later on

(btw u can also consider salac zap for a more momentum-maintaining speedpass, since cune and hera are already quite fast)

249 speed outspeeds dug after +1

taking out of sp.atk is ok

[tidal jewel]

1. Gotcha. I’ve been noticing that mence even though an attack drop gets pummeled by a +1 slide, granted it doesn’t kill unless at +2 or higher, which really means I would need to get a chance to set up 2 dances, which hurt doesn’t happen. I’ve been going either to Star or Suicune to deal with it after the switch, and unless it is running hp grass, which is rare, and hard predicts me, it can’t really do much. 2) What do you think I should change my lead to? Starmie still compliments my team nicely, but I’ve been seeing better use as an insta switch and it coming back in later, which is unnecessary and just gives away team info. I can’t think of another good lead though, maybe mixed ttar. I know a lot of people expect lead ttar though, because it’s ttar. Would that be hurting me? 3) I looked more into Zap teams, and saw they run Dug over flygon, and I realized I was kinda losing to meta pretty bad, so I switched to Dug over Flygon. It can now trap and get rid of Gross, celebi, Ttar, Mag if they have it, although nothing on my team really baits it, and it helps with Blissy. You are absolutely correct about gar usually not wanting to come in, but with Starmie faking rapid spin by not revealing psychic, it gets baited as removed surprisingly often. I haven’t seen it outside of spike teams though, so it may be good on other types and I just don’t have enough experience to have seen it else where. Wouldn’t salac zap just die to sandstorm chip after sub-ing down to it though?

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/21a31a56ff3cb75e LGPE OU ive tried to make a team with Snorlax what should i change here? . ive been thinkin on what nature of mega venu aswell

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @cyan ether, @tropic harbor. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cyan ether]

taunt mew seems pretty random here

what's it for

[gritty scaffold]

stops rocks from lead

[cyan ether]

don't feel like your team cares about rocks enough for the 50/50 chance to be at all worth a mew moveslot

not a single rocks weak mon here

in fact more rock resists than the average team too

[gritty scaffold]

Oo. Well ig ill just gonna change taunt for U turn or psychic

[cyan ether]

makes sense to me yeah

I'd consider psy wisp rocks roost here personally, your bulky stuff loves wisp weakening physical threats and putting stuff on timers

lax especially loves rest looping in front of burned stuff

twave could also work as a disruptive tool instead of wisp

[gritty scaffold]

hm . yea wisp should prob work Ty!

[odd narwhal]

Prankster T-Wave Thundurus could work for a 6th member and speed control. Clefable can also run Wish Protect over Softboiled and T-wave.

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

Water resist being no spdef tang is weird

[topaz sentinel]

can i get this team rated? any possible replacements for infernape or it looks good

https://pokepast.es/c7564d38bec8053f

idk if gengar should have life orb, or if i should go a diff set w it

[gritty scaffold]

When posting pokepaste to teamrate you need to specify the gen

[topaz sentinel]

gen 4 ou

[gritty scaffold]

just send the pokepaste again with the gen u want teamrate

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/c7564d38bec8053f gen 4 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[short hedge]

scarf tar seems too problematic

starmie should have natural cure

[topaz sentinel]

forgot to change

who should i change then for tar

hippowdon over nape?

[short hedge]

nah nape looks very good

on this team

i think gengar is what needs to get replaced

i can see it working tbh

but if focus blast continues to miss id go with something like agility empoleon

[topaz sentinel]

Aw man I really want to keep gengar tho

Maybe I gotta rehaul the team

[novel brook]

is electroweb runnable on rotom W or is that troll for speec control

here is an updated team https://pokepast.es/0abc7f96d3f921da

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/8d9463290fcf801b heres the new gen 4 ou team

[odd narwhal]

Electroweb is not needed on wash. This is better. Taunt on Heatran with only 76 Spd seems a little counterproductive. Either run max Speed with Timid, or put more EVS into Spc Defence with Toxic or Protect instead.
Lando-T should have some attack investment, if it's going to have four attacks?

[novel brook]

Ok bet!

How should my EV spread look like for lando?

[odd narwhal]

Possibly the Speed EVs into Attack. Chansey and Azumaril don't usually run max speed, last time I checked.
Nothing wrong with a little more power.

[barren patrol]

https://pokepast.es/1de2e0638e2c3b41

[barren patrol]

can yall rate this gen3 adv ou team pls

[odd narwhal]

4th gen, I like it. Not sure about two Scarfers, may lead to more openings for getting setup on. Be wary of rain-boosted special Kingdra, that could hurt quite a bit.

[upper plume]

Oh yeah you don't really have enough breaking power

You're leaning super hard into the anti-offense Pokemon but a team with bulk will just outlast you

[topaz sentinel]

Me?

Might get the team double checked later

[upper plume]

Ye

You have 2 scarfers and 2 speed boosters

And an off Pert and a gar

[topaz sentinel]

Any suggestions

I’ll get rid of a scarfer and or booster but I prefer to keep gengar cuz I like him

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[odd narwhal]

Specs Magnezone instead of Rotom-W and DD Dragonite for Metagross? Coverage is down to whatever you need.

[topaz sentinel]

Any rapid spinner needed?

[quaint tundra]

https://pokepast.es/bc279ca9446e9382 Gen 7 OU sand team I made, worked fine so far but how can i improve it?

[opal beacon]

No z no mega

Eeh

[vast oracle]

• team needs a ground, so probably gastrodon over toxapex.
• spikes+water shuriken on agren over icebeam+uturn. water shuriken gives you the speed control option to be a menace against offensive teams (especially cause the team is very slow otherwise) and spikes to chip its and mmaw's checks more easily.
• knock off on mmaw over tpunch to cripple walls while still hitting stuff like pex & celesteela neutrally as well as ferro, which otherwise walls you. tpunch mmaw is generally better on tapu koko teams too.

[novel brook]

Okay! I updated all the things you recommended what do you think now https://pokepast.es/092191e1fcc78b02

also how important is defog I don't have one in my team

Im not really sure how well my core does in this team, maybe you can give me some tips!

[vast oracle]

you can still keep it

also something else i forgot

since you dont have a zmove user, you can run fly z on tornt

takes knock from kart better + and lets you reliably check it and other mons like bulu better (stronger nuke & no miss)

[wet widget]

https://pokepast.es/740f5132ed5d31cb gen 8 OU

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hasty ingot]

i wont lie, this ain't great

toxapex with surf over scald makes literally no sense

bisharp is just not a good mon, and band bish is gonna get taken advantage of real fast

this dragonite set doesn't really do much of anything, especially without dragon dance or roost

duraludon is straight unviable

the last two sets are fine

but i'd suggest watching some tournament replays or reading the VR to get a better sense of the meta before subbing here again

use some sample teams, play some games, etc

[upper plume]

!gen8samples

[karmic geyser]

SS Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen8ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3710892/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3679621/
RU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3661013/
NU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3673598/
PU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3709244/
LC: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3661419/
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3664157/
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3702647/
BDSP OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3693721/
Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/com/forums/threads/3718683/

[novel brook]

https://pokepast.es/092191e1fcc78b02 I dont have a defogger in my team, how important is it, and who can i replace

[topaz sentinel]

Gen 4 ou https://pokepast.es/b2ddae0256081fcf

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[topaz sentinel]

Took a day to try to replace things got another team in the back to be checked too if possible

Prefer to keep gengar (can change his moves if recommended) so if I gotta replace any, let it be anyone else even if I need to replace multiple

Was thinking possible a different swampert set cuz he feels passive kinda

[leaden fiber]

wouldn't use pert as sole rocker

or scarf jira

[topaz sentinel]

Should I replace?

[leaden fiber]

yeah, this feels like a zelf team

[topaz sentinel]

Hmm never used azelf

Lowkey I wanna use Pokémon I like, it’s not that I don’t like azelf but I like swampert way more

Any other rockers I can use or double replacements if I should drop swampert?

And what set for rachi or should I replace

[topaz sentinel]

@leaden fiber

[topaz sentinel]

Gen 4 ou https://pokepast.es/b2ddae0256081fcf

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[topaz sentinel]

Never had this fully looked at

[topaz sentinel]

!gen4samples

[karmic geyser]

DPP Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen4ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3687351/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen4uu
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen4nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen4pu
ZU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen4zu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen4lc
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen4monotype
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen41v1
Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3717286/post-9528606

[topaz sentinel]

!gen3samples

[karmic geyser]

ADV Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen3ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3687813/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen3uu
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen3nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen3pu
ZU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen3zu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen3lc
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen31v1
Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3666831/

[wraith siren]

Rate my Gen 8 OU team

https://pokepast.es/d51b4c1350682262

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tiny plover]

!gen8samples

[karmic geyser]

SS Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen8ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3710892/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3679621/
RU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3661013/
NU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3673598/
PU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3709244/
LC: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3661419/
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3664157/
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3702647/
BDSP OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3693721/
Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/com/forums/threads/3718683/

[polar nacelle]

sorry i havent had the bandwidth to answer ur other questions. the following advice is gonna be a bit scattered cos there are multiple points to address so i apologize in advance

cbmeta lead is good on these kinds of teams

cune is a kind of mon that appreciates generic trading down of opposing mons (compared to others which require specific targets removed)

u boom cbmeta t1

vs most things

idt u should be relying on mie baiting gar anyway. an easy replacement is meta > dug/flygon, but u can also consider breloom

but that will be a bit more unstable

can also consider jirachi

btw did u realize that ur zapdos is serious natured?

[low jasper]

I don’t see any real synergy with this team i probably would recommend the samples above. Try it out on ladder and learn team structures and what mesh together.

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/96de97d83c54ec33 Gen 3 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[polar nacelle]

1. Dont use swampert and claydol in the same team unless you know what youre doing.
2. Dont use skarmory without a special wall unless you know what you're doing

3. Don't use gengar and salamence on the same team unless you know what youre doing

[topaz sentinel]

Ok what suggestions for replacements do u recommend? I prefer to keep gengar on the team at least and swampert if I can

[polar nacelle]

Then over salamence u can use aerodactyl moltres zapdos starmie

Over claydol u can use blissey celebi zapdos (but zapdos only if the other slot is aero)

[rain pine]

!gen8samples

[karmic geyser]

SS Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen8ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3710892/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3679621/
RU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3661013/
NU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3673598/
PU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3709244/
LC: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3661419/
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3664157/
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3702647/
BDSP OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3693721/
Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/com/forums/threads/3718683/

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/3854a1130190be25 @polar nacelle here’s the updates

[polar nacelle]

The problem now is if i help u too much i would be giving away someone elses team

Let me see if i can find a public replay to help u instead

[polar nacelle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen3ou-704266

Here watch this

And infer/observe

[topaz sentinel]

Interesting, not saying I should copy his exact move sets but maybe make slight changes

My goal is to try to use Pokémon I like/my favorites and that they synergize well

[polar nacelle]

Just copy it lol

[tribal smelt]

I don't like Zeraora here

Nor is the moveset on Lando good

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

You have a lot of middling to bad sets, including non bulky landorus therian, banded zeraora, leftovers volcanion, and u turnless corviknight. This also inherently loses badly to tyranitar and weavile and youre pretty stonewalled by gastrodon. I cannot keep most of the core ideas here as them together is just a bad combination, what do you want to keep?

[kind shadow]

https://pokepast.es/4d78fa57dd0e2722 rby ou team

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @weak mirage, @red delta, @night bridge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[kind shadow]

My plan vs Zap is to Lax or Bull it

[night bridge]

whats your lax answer?

im concerned about 2 things looking at this team - what do you do when lax gets in free, and what do you do when zap gets in free

cause hard lax/tauros into zapdos is an unplay, so youre sacrificing a mon to let them in

as for lax it seems like your answer here is slowbro but taking slam on entry gives you decent odds to just lose it

i also notice that vic is literally the only thing that handles egg here, especially dedge egg

[kind shadow]

When Zap hits the field i either saxk or hard lax

If lax is healthy enough to do so

For Lax I bro or also hard lax

And for eggy I try force it to Boom

Maybe I could go PsyBlizz Mie?

Or SurfBlizz

[gritty scaffold]

Never go with surf bliz

[kind shadow]

I mean

You can say that but why?

It has its niche uses

[gritty scaffold]

I dont rly like bein walled by slowbro ( when youd usually fish for a crit with tbolt or something) and opposing mie , the very rare lapras. Psychic blizz atleast also helps vs chansey non tbolt with special drops while maintain a good stab

[kind shadow]

Surf is Mies most powerful STAB

2HKOes Snorlax

On a crit

[gritty scaffold]

Its only a bit stronger than psychic.

[kind shadow]

Yet that range 2HKOes Lax

And OHKOes Rhydon obviously without having to go into blizzard 8pp

[night bridge]

this seems like a way to lose really hard to a lot of teams

like you need lax and bull to beat opposing zap and bull and you need your psychics to handle the rest of the field

that’s a big ask

unless lax gets big value with a KO then a boom

[kind shadow]

So go SurfBlizz on Mie?

For Egg

[night bridge]

honestly seems worth considering putting a rhydon in over something

or even your own zapdos

[kind shadow]

Whats replaceable?

[night bridge]

slowbro i think

[kind shadow]

SlowDon?

Oh wait

Nvm

https://pokepast.es/8b62d111506ee0b4 so this?

[agile sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/2bcb30c279c0be14 is this team decent?

[gritty scaffold]

specify the gen when posting a pokepaste

so u ping the raters ( im not a gen 8 team rater though)

[low jasper]

Hi there this seems to be structured to be a stall team. Firstly, Chansey is not favored in on stall over bliss as it requires hazards not being in the field and it’s much more susceptible to knock which this in turn limits it’s walling capabilities. Secondly ferro is not great on stall it is usually reserved for BO and some balanced structures. Also please don’t run Defog skarm it’s best for running spikes only. If you want to use Defog on stall corv is your go to. I would like to ask what type of stall are you trying to build.If you are open to the changes some changes I would make is running corv over skarm with iron defense,body press, defog, roost. The standard spread is 168 def 88 spdef 252 hp impish. I’d go clef > quag much better as an unaware non and can be the cleric of the team moon blast ,calm mind ,soft boiled and heal Beal. Blissey > Chansey rocks,soft boiled, toss, and toxic. Pex can be knock toxic haze recover. If future sight is annoying you can go light screen over toxic. Your ground and electric resistance can be gastrodon very good Mon on stall. I usually like some sort of wincon in stall as well but that can be your choosing I usually like something like taunt nasty plot torn. I’m available if you need anything else I hope I provided good feedback.

[kindred hazel]

https://pokepast.es/2401e513a1b2ad9d I'm trying to make a stall team that walls most but obv not all of the format and doesn't get destroyed by common threats. This team gets screwed vs lele atm. G8 OU

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low jasper]

Hi there I can propose some changes to help make your team a bit better.
• Firstly blissey > Chansey much better walling capabilities and less vulnerable to knock and can negate hazards cause it can hold a real item in heavy duty boots.

• secondly, pex can be black sludge or boots your preference you can feel free to run light screen over toxic so it can help sponge future sight and lele vs this team.

• next gastro > quag just a much better consistent ground on stall.

• clef can be unaware and torn can be like a nasty plot variant for a effective win condition.

If you wanna add anything to that dex or make better propositions that’s cool too

[hasty ingot]

i agree with blissey > chansey, pex item can really be whatever, if lele is such an issue you can even run payapa to toxic it

gastro > quag is also correct

clef should not be unaware that sounds like a fast way to lose to knock off

[low jasper]

Fair

[hasty ingot]

torn could be a koko

madness toxic koko is particularly potent on stall

[low jasper]

With taunt perhaps

?

[hasty ingot]

taunt is interesting

i dont think it's that much more value than toxic tbh

[low jasper]

Yeah now that I think about it

You just toxic all the grounds

And turn

[tribal smelt]

No point.

Just do toxic 4th on Koko

Also this structure desperately wants to be something that just isn't Chansey

I have a structure with Hippo that gels better with the core idea of Torn Corv Quag thats' served me fine so far

There's multiple routes here fwiw

So its' not a bad first draft

Also shed shell -> black sludge without knock off u turn torn T

Otherwise you get looped into horrible scenarios vs RillaKartTran

If you want to retain Quag this structure is also fine

[odd narwhal]

Anything else that could be ironed out/majorely overhauled?
BDSP OU: https://pokepast.es/6a88c449c5b27113

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @cyan ether, @hasty ingot, @strong frigate, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

New OU RMT @cyan ether, @hasty ingot, @strong frigate, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[strong frigate]

alright we might not need 2 pings

@obtuse prairie idk if you're the one to tag for this

[upper plume]

looks decent

also I also don't wish to get double pinged

[strong frigate]

you shouldn't have modest mie

very bad

[upper plume]

oh yeah

go timid

it's too good w/ timid

[strong frigate]

it looks decent otherwise, spd sd scizor is kinda weird though but it helps against latias ig

[upper plume]

yeah going super careful is a bit uncommon

you'll also just need to know that you'll have to play aggressively into opposing heatran

since you're not the sturdiest into it

[odd narwhal]

Surprise element. Also thought it would gell with Analytic, plus Rapid Spin +1 speed makes it faster than any non-scafers/boosted.

[upper plume]

many offensive starmies actually go recover last

instead of spin

to prolong the pain

[strong frigate]

spin lo is kinda bad

surprise element sucks

you want starmie to revengek ill stuffs

[odd narwhal]

I have Rotom-W to revenge kill too, but I understand.
I needed some hazard control with spin, plus Clefable has Wish so Starmie can be healed (albeit not easily).

[strong frigate]

it doesn't work that well

i'd advice putting defog on sd on zor, and going reco on mie

i dont really like cm clef, maybe give it sr and give sd to gliscor?

[odd narwhal]

I thought about rocks on Clefable, and Aerial Ace on Gliscor to hard counter Breloom.
But wouldn't Defog on Scizor lose breaking power overall?

Oh, you meant SD, and Defog on Scizor instead of Roost?

[obtuse prairie]

its just a glitch lol

if it happens again lemme know tho

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/0d0727f678eb76d7 Bdsp OU idk if mamo is good but either way should i change somethin here?

[odd narwhal]

Mamoswine is dangerous to anything that's not Rotom-W.
What's Taunt on Heatran for?

[gritty scaffold]

Clef . Aswell latias

[upper plume]

Uturn/Bullet Punch/Defog/Roost

[upper plume]

My gut tells me that Weavile fits here as well as Mamo if not a bit better

Cuz like

Defog exists

So Sash roserade frequently just gets the one hazard that gets Defogged later

So you really need forcing ways to prevent the Defog

And Weavile, in that sense, is as forcing as mamoswine

But it also threatens out Starmie

And Latias

[gritty scaffold]

Oo

So just that? To change

[upper plume]

oh also

your team is like

it just doesn't like heatran

or latias

even if you put on weavile

well you do have payback tran

idt defog gliscor should be on a hazard stacking team tbh

[gritty scaffold]

So do i change tect to defog on rotom?

[upper plume]

rotom doesn't get defog

it's not usum

[gritty scaffold]

Oh...

[upper plume]

even still this team doesn't really need hazard control

[gritty scaffold]

But isnt vulnurable

[upper plume]

I guess that depends on how much you take advantage of weavile

[gritty scaffold]

To rocks stack

[upper plume]

and you'll defog your toxic spikes that you lost your roserade for on turn 2

I don't think sash roserade is the play on this team

[gritty scaffold]

Hmm

Dunno what lead id use then

[upper plume]

I think that if you are running a Sash lead, you are indicating some sort of offense

But slowbro isn't like the best fit on offense teams

I also find toxic spikes a tad underwhelming cuz many of the best Pokes don't care about them

Like, 90% of teams have one of Heatran, Scizor, Rotom-W, Gliscor or Latias

All of whom don't care about Tspikes

Then there are offensive teams that have stuff like Starmie and Weavile that die to passive damage anyway

I suppose an interesting combination could be Tspikes Roserade + Heatran (always a good Tspikes abuser) + Dragonite (appreciates Tangrowth and Clefable getting worn down)

[gritty scaffold]

Oo

So i remove slowbro for dnite and gliscor for starmie maybe for just use spin

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/016b7605f2f9f623 @upper plume something like this mayb is better?

i feel like main problem would be taking out physical attacks bc rotom can be wear down preety easily since doesnt have pain split

[upper plume]

tbh

there are so many threats that tspikes don't do anything to

like

these are some team previews from testing a tspikes team today

the problem is that they usually don't affect a pokemon or they only affect pokemon that are offensive threats on a timer already

[gritty scaffold]

perhaps i should just change lead then if tspikes are that bad

Actually doesnt it get spikes i think?

[uncut cargo]

https://pokepast.es/fd5b3c0eba00f66as 7OU, @vast oracle I think I am pinging the right person I am so sorry if I'm not it's been a while ishfiawufhawi

[upper plume]

yes

it does

and actually roserade spikes teams are quite nice

[vast oracle]

uh paste isn't working for me. feel free to resend and i'll take a look when i'm more available

[uncut cargo]

Ok! Thank you

[upper plume]

https://pokepast.es/fd5b3c0eba00f66a

the "s" at the end was the issue

[vast oracle]

was the intention to build mmedi psyspam offense or? whats the initial plan of the team?

[uncut cargo]

Yea could probably say that, but I'm very open to complete changes so

[uncut cargo]

Ahhh, thanks

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/c8183a5d32ec9b6a Gen 1 ou, any slight move changes or lead placements I should do? If I gotta replace anyone I want it to be either alakazam or executor

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @weak mirage, @red delta, @night bridge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[topaz sentinel]

Idk if I need Snorlax to have eq over hyper beam or like exeggutor to have mega drain over stun spore, Ik chansey has a lot of options

[vast oracle]

• on offensive teams like this, av magearna fits better over toxapex as a defensive pivot. not passive, provides momentum for your breakers with volt switch, & answers opposing lele while still checking mons like mage, mdia, and agren.
• standard specs agren over protgren. gives you another lategame cleaner (especially cause psyspam threatens pex for it and mmedi+KB in general are strong early-game breakers) and pressures bulky psychics like slowbro and reuni harder for your psyspam.

minor changes:

• zen headbutt over psycho cut on mmedi for power. double prio with psychic terrain is also counterproductive, and i'd rather run ice punch to hit bulky landot and mlatias instead.
• ice beam over dragon claw on kyuremb + run hasty/naive
• hp fire + natures madness over focus blast + tbolt on lele. natures madness punishes switchins like heatran, av mage, and jirachi harder, and you force an incoming wall like chansey and gastro to use recovery, which gives a minimum-risk entry to your mmedi or kyuremb to go ham.
• run a more bulky ev spread on landot to switch into stuff like zardx, mlop, and hawlucha better. drop defog for uturn to bring in your breakers in safely, and you'd rather just force the opponent to use defog on your rocks + spikes. knock off is a pretty mehh move for sm landot imo, personally would run toxic/stone edge/smack down/SD/hp ice but it's nbd.

[uncut cargo]

Thank you so much!! Greatly appreciated

[outer crescent]

SM OU, wanted to build with Z greninja

https://pokepast.es/13d4bb6356e650ac

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast oracle]

hmm i personally think if you want to commit to grassspam then spikes gren is not as valuable imo, just cause a lot of their checks tend to be flyers (see: mlati zap tornt etc)

but spikes is still spikes at the end of the day so i guess it's fine, it's just that if you wanna maximize the potential of spikes protgren then something like lele and setup mage are prob better

also scarf lele clicks moonblast 6 times

can prob go with spdef bulu + band kart + scarf victini over the mlop slot

[outer crescent]

a

[outer crescent]

fr

[outer crescent]

oh i didnt think of that

i just went with grass team because i thought it paired well lmao

[vast oracle]

yea i think i like this formation for a couple of reasons actually

[outer crescent]

o

[vast oracle]

final gambit to lure mlatias for your grasspam + gren

though cb vic is fine i guess if you want to scarf kart

spdef bulu as a sturdier agren answer too

make rotomw defog over split, and might wanna go with twave for volc and zardx

[outer crescent]

ah ait

ty

[night bridge]

1. Don’t lead snorlax, you auto lose to any sleeper. Lead with your Gengar.

2. You probably should keep Stun on Egg if you’re newer, since your Chansey has BoltBeam.

Not much to say, the team is pretty okay as it is, somewhat Zapdos weak but many teams are.

[topaz sentinel]

should i make any changes to mitigate that or its alright, i assume the only thing to fight it is rhydon but its hard to fit him

should i do any move swaps for egg and chansey

[night bridge]

i think you can play it as is, you just have to be careful with your alakazam and chansey to make sure they can fend it off

i think you don’t need to change anything

just don’t lead snorlax

[topaz sentinel]

R u sure I shouldn’t replace one of egg or zam I wanna maximize potential

[night bridge]

there’s no maximizing potential, every pick is a trade off

if you replace one you’re weak to something else

[vivid sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/c9f2ae387cf1baea gen 5 ou pokemmo meta, don't really like the skarm, do you guys have any suggestions? pref physical wall with hazard removal, or something aggro idc

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

dont use torkoal

ninetales is just better, also idt u can use its ha

also cloro is banned from gen 5 ou

also use chansey on sun teams instead

blissey is for sand bc it cant use eviolite

so change venusaur to cresselia

also change darm to xatu. change hydregion to volcarona , skarm to excadrill mold breaker. with max speed , spdef maybe.

sun is usually for stall and i wouldnt recommend for new players

[vivid sequoia]

hey, actually chlorophyll is allowed in this game, i use torkoal cause of its physical bulk, venusaur is my sweeper . i don't know how sun is for stall. i played all gen 6 to gen 8 OU and sun was usually for H.O or bulky offense teams

[gritty scaffold]

what?

no cloro is banned from gen 5 ou

[vivid sequoia]

yeah, in showdown server, but not in pokemmo. it has pokemon up to gen 5 but works with gen 8-9 m echanics

for example rapid spin gives u +1 speed

and tp works like in gen 8

[gritty scaffold]

ok so i cant help you

because idk whats that. and not even how metagame works

[vivid sequoia]

it's okay thanks for your time 😄

[gritty scaffold]

This thread is only to rate teams from the official showdown metagames

[upper plume]

!nolegends

[karmic geyser]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[rain pine]

!gen7samples

[karmic geyser]

SM Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3695427/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7uu
RU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ru
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7pu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7lc
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen71v1
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7monotype
Let's Go OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3667865/post-8552756
Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3661293/

[scenic breach]

!gen6samples

[karmic geyser]

ORAS Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3694551/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6uu
RU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6ru
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6pu
ZU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6zu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6lc
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6monotype
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen61v1
Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3606255/post-7387215

[scenic breach]

!gen7samples

[karmic geyser]

SM Sample Teams
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3695427/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7uu
RU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ru
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7pu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7lc
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen71v1
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7monotype
Let's Go OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3667865/post-8552756
Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3661293/

[upper plume]

Please don't spam

[scenic breach]

do you mean me?

[upper plume]

both of you

[cold yew]

the first person only did it once how does that constitute spam

[upper plume]

I don't want to come in this thread and see an entire wall of bot commands

[gritty scaffold]

Just dont flood

Does this server even have bot commands?

[upper plume]

we have slash commands and the samples commands

[gritty scaffold]

I meant more so a channel for it so that kind of flood doesnt happen often

[upper plume]

no idts

[kind shadow]

https://pokepast.es/56d3c43802042dbe TBs OU team

[upper plume]

Do we rate Tradebacks?

[scenic breach]

i mean i just wanted gen 6 and gen 7 sample teams, sorry though

[upper plume]

that's ok

I just wanted to ensure you wouldn't go !gen1samples !gen2samples !gen3samples ...

for fun

[gaunt veldt]

anyone can rate my team for gen7ou?
https://pokepast.es/4112c2bc861efb8a

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[kind shadow]

It is an old gen OU

Even if only by technicality...

It is an OU

[opal beacon]

I personally would run focus blast on garde

[gaunt veldt]

change hyper voice for focus blast ?

[opal beacon]

No psychic

Or dont use moonblast and use shock instead

Psyshock

For the chansey

Focus is for exca,heatran and ferro

Also zone if u are setup

If not u go chansey

[gaunt veldt]

ill try this

why hyper voice ? moonblast not is better ?

[upper plume]

if you're using mega gardevoir, pixillate gives a power boost to normal moves that become fairy moves

oh also why not go tapu lele + mega scizor?

[gaunt veldt]

its better ?

[upper plume]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/gardevoir/ou/

read the opening paragraph

[gaunt veldt]

I was between mega gardevoir and mega scizor but I ended up going with gardevoir out of pure preference, because I didn't know which was better

[gaunt veldt]

I'll try to use tapu lele then

[upper plume]

I do think tapu lele + mega zor is a weird fit cuz you're blocking your own bullet punch

but maybe @vast oracle might be able to help you

[gaunt veldt]

mega alakazam its better than tapu lele in this team ?

[upper plume]

I'd wait for fluxh to respond

cuz idk anything about gen 7

I just remember reading that analysis the other day

[gaunt veldt]

okay

thx for the help, ill wait

[errant basin]

https://pokepast.es/919de6b6527ec156

someone check this out please

[vast oracle]

might be annoying in some rare cases but msciz + lele is fine cause msciz tends to click uturn/knock/roost early game anyways so the terrain isn't really an issue (mons you want to click bp is covered by the team anws; spdef glisc + chansey for mdia, and physdef pex for weavile, etc)

[vast oracle]

but yea the team here in general is pretty flawed

mgard and base sciz are (near) unviable in general

the team lacks any proper hazard control for bulky volc

the closest thing that you can go with glisc+chans+pex+bulkarona is probably a msab team

with defog gliscor + rocks chansey

then maybe you run something else on scizor's slot

like a proper check to SD kart and grounds

which tends to be skarm with ww and/or counter

[gaunt veldt]

i will try this changes thx, what moveset is good for msab in this team ?

[vast oracle]

standard spdef msab is fine

[hollow elm]

hello

[gaunt veldt]

okok thx

Can I keep the status distribution on Chansey like this and only change them by moving them or should I change them too?

[vast oracle]

toxic chansey is fine yea. twave chansey on these type of structures is better for setup reuni clef mage, which volc already covers here to some extent so it's not as necessary

also make sure to run stoss so you're not taunt-bait and a sitting duck against threats like sub volc, offensive mage, etc

also if you want twave on chansey it's also fine, especially if you go toxic on gliscor

[gaunt veldt]

I made these changes

https://pokepast.es/655cff0789c06e40

[vast oracle]

stoss over healbell but otherwise it's fine

you dont really need bell here

between msab's mbounce, gliscor, pex to absorb tspikes, and chansey ncure, you should be resilient against status

[upper plume]

hello, if you want to talk w/ others then I'd recommend heading to #comp-general

[gaunt veldt]

okay okay ill go change this then, I thought it could be some threat

[opal beacon]

Basically just normal stall without clef

lol

[vast oracle]

i just think you cant drop stoss for it, cause this

[opal beacon]

Yuh stoss is necessary

Cm mag is a pain

So is shift gear

Unless it's iron head

In which case its gg unless the bulky Rona lives

[vast oracle]

i mean the closest msab teams we have nowadays are rarely the full stall variants like it used to be

i would go as far as to say bulkarona structures is the more standard msab

[gaunt veldt]

okay, ready now https://pokepast.es/7b00f01fa0941ae1 hehe

thx for your help everyone :3

[crisp saffron]

Is taunt gliscor still common in gen 7

if it is probably worth considering that it 6-0s that team

[flint ridge]

it’s not + it won’t

msab + ur glisc

[crisp saffron]

you have to pivot forever

doable unless 2 attack

but stall is matchup fish anyways so its not a big deal

[leaden fiber]

taunts pretty good

[crisp saffron]

anyway while im here

https://pokepast.es/68714fe8dbcc69fb
Gen 5 ou rain w/ scarf KB and timid thundurus (I should be enough speed for lando not drill on the thund)

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

Dont invest in spa with kyub , use dclaw instead of earthpower

Scarf should be full atk

Non invested kyub is fine. Bc u usually are just spamming outrge

Id recommend hp ice on keld over ghost

Also use power whip on ferro over knock

[upper plume]

you need knock for opposing ferro right?

go pwhip > gyro

[gritty scaffold]

I think gyro is good here bc it struggles

To do dmg vs latios

[upper plume]

fair enough

but you still need knock

[gritty scaffold]

Idt knock is really mandatory on rain

[upper plume]

does this thundy's sub break to gyro from opposing ferrothorn?

[gritty scaffold]

Prob

[gritty scaffold]

Oh yea use the ev spread from analysis if u wanna use sub thundy

[upper plume]

0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Thundurus-Therian: 83-98 (25.6 - 30.2%) -- 0.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

yeah

you need defense EVs on Thundy if you want Substitute

[gritty scaffold]

I think u can run ice beam over toxic on toed aswell

[upper plume]

also

dclaw > earth power

on kyu b

lets you hit something that's been weakened w/o locking into outrage

you may want to consider spdef politoed so that you can take on latios/keldeo a bit better

cuz as is

you can't really beat scarf keldeo or latios cuz they come in, attack, and switch out

[gritty scaffold]

Prob should keep its evs tbh

[crisp saffron]

Oh true that should be physical Kyu B

[gritty scaffold]

Tenta is fine scarf keld check and ferro checks latios

[upper plume]

also

just run jolly/adamant on kyurem

you aren't clicking ice beam that often anyway

and you're just doing so to lure lando

0- SpA Teravolt Kyurem-Black Ice Beam vs. 240 HP / 0- SpD Landorus-Therian: 576-684 (151.9 - 180.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[crisp saffron]

I figured if I’m setting up for a kyurem clean I should get rid of leftovers on ferro

But power whip is really nice to have

[upper plume]

the classic rain ferrothorn conundrum

although

[gritty scaffold]

Id go ada for power

[upper plume]

if you have a specs keldeo in rain

[gritty scaffold]

Nah keep lefties

[upper plume]

you can just click buttons into ferrothorn

[upper plume]

they mean keeping knock on ferro

[crisp saffron]

Get rid of opposing

[gritty scaffold]

Oh well still

[upper plume]

I think like

a different thundy set is better

[gritty scaffold]

Yea just change the evs to the analysis set

[upper plume]

if you want sub thundy then just use those evs

but something like nasty plot could also work

[crisp saffron]

Hmm I’ll try bulky sub

And then a faster np set

See which one I like more

Thanks

As for ferro I think I’ll do power whip knock

[gritty scaffold]

Without gyro answering latios might be harder but thats for you

Removibg specs , scarf is nice

[crisp saffron]

Yep I’ll have to offensively check it

[mellow prism]

https://pokepast.es/849884472f05fcfd

This team good?

[upper plume]

which tier is this for

[crisp saffron]

gonna workshop this concept some more

[mellow prism]

gen 6 ou

[novel brook]

Im trying to base a team around voltturn I have mega scizor, lando T, and Rotom W, Who else should I add

Im thinking heatran and maybe protean greninja and maybe zapdos

[upper plume]

Do we even have oras raters?

[upper plume]

https://pokepast.es/849884472f05fcfd
Gen 6 OU to ping raters

I guess they just won't get pinged?

Gen 6 ou https://pokepast.es/849884472f05fcfd

Yeah we just don't have raters for oras

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[upper plume]

You should ask in the ORAS server here ^

[upper plume]

This channel is meant for already completed teams, so you can build the teams first, then come back here and get it rated

[novel brook]

https://pokepast.es/666310cae6d21d8b Am new to PVP any recommendations are welcomed and appreciated

[upper plume]

what tier is this for?

format says gen 9 ou but you have a mega scizor

[novel brook]

my mistake!

Let me just reedit this entire thing

https://pokepast.es/f1bc5866b61f4c58

Apologies here is the reupload

[gritty scaffold]

Id suggest go to oras discord we dont have raters atm of oras

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[upper plume]

you say this is for gen 6 but the format says gen 7

plus greninja is only legal in gen 7

[keen oar]

What pokemon you are trying to build over

[novel brook]

Scizor! Rotom and lando

[mellow prism]

do we have gen 7 raters?

[upper plume]

we do

royalfluxh the 🐐

[gritty scaffold]

#1024432517077540904 heres the raters of all oldgens

[odd narwhal]

I'm not interested in being a substitute in BDSP Last Chance 2, after I lost r1.
BDSP OU: https://pokepast.es/985df83bd23d68b0

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @cyan ether, @hasty ingot, @strong frigate, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

this looks mostly fine

I personally wouldn't go mixed infernape here tho

if ape will be your rocker

I'd go defensive infernape and give scizor more special defense

otherwise, you could alternatively make garchomp stealth rock and use a different scarfer

[odd narwhal]

Mixed Ape was for punishing Defoggers like Gliscor, but I discovered it loses to Latias (with no predicted U-turn), and Starmie exists. How about Taunt Weavile with LO, and Choice Band Ape instead?

[upper plume]

You still need SR somewhere

[odd narwhal]

True. I’m just not sure how to control hazards yet. Starmie beats every spinblocker, with Gengar banned.

[upper plume]

You won't always be able to punish Gliscor if Rade is in for example

But if they have Starmie you can just hit it

[odd narwhal]

I could Sleep Powder Gliscor on a predicted switch (no Toxic Orb activated yet), but that’s unlikely. Would I need a Poke to beat any Defog user, by playing aggressive?

[upper plume]

playing aggressive is the best way to deny defog

[odd narwhal]

So use a different Poke that can also beat Latias. Rocks T-Tar could work.

[upper plume]

Rocks Tar is eh tbh

It's not the worst but you just have no recovery

[fathom pollen]

https://pokepast.es/041fa2af84a2b300 SS OU BO. Trying to build a bulky offense time with Quagsire, but I dont have idea what I need to use exactly, so I put some pokemons I think are good, but I dont know if its truly good, if someone can help me, i really want to use Quagsire

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hasty ingot]

You're going to be hard pressed to find a good reason to use quag over other ground types outside of stall

Even then, gastrodon is usually the go to for stall teams in SS OU

I don't view quagsire as all that viable unfortunately

[fathom pollen]

because I like quagsire

[flint ridge]

Based

[crisp saffron]

If you wanna make quag work as a gimmick you could try curse

Could work against garg? But salt cure is still gonna hurt unless you terra

[fathom pollen]

gen 8

[crisp saffron]

Curse with boots then I guess

I feel like with gimmick mons you need to play to the surprise factor otherwise you’d just use a better unaware/defensive mon

[tribal smelt]

That is horrid advice

[gritty scaffold]

Just go play gsc/dpp ou if u wanna use quag so badly where its "viable"

[crisp saffron]

non horrid advice is to not use trashmons

especially in gen 8

||non horid advice is to not play gen 8||

[tribal smelt]

Keep quiet.

[crisp saffron]

😂

[outer crescent]

BASED

[upper plume]

yeah just like play gen 2/gen 4 or dig up an old gen 5 rain stall team

if you're so intent on using quagsire

[solid cradle]

^ yeah this is pretty much it

[ruby thorn]

https://pokepast.es/5ffb51a144520682

tried building around dice's old school smack down lando team, anyone got any obvious changes they would make

[solid cradle]

what gen is this for

oh nvm cant read the paste says gen 5 ou

[upper plume]

my instinct is a real check to specs latios

252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 264-312 (67 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

who does this to you

[ruby thorn]

https://pokepast.es/5ba6778679f2c12c

so this is what im rocking at the moment but im not having the greatest sucsess

https://pokepast.es/85baf0c292fd65d6

and this is the og

[upper plume]

part of it is that tyranitar is ur sole rocker

[ruby thorn]

i know thats what i was thinking

but then you kinda need the heal bell on clef to make latias work

and to beat rain with their scald spam

tbh i never build sand so im pretty beat lol

[upper plume]

is there more information about this original dice hippoclef team?

cuz I feel like the team is just a tad too weak to latios

[ruby thorn]

og here, it was a ttar mb

ended up finding the paste

[upper plume]

Specs latias is something

[ruby thorn]

it's not that im struggling on ladder or anything but i really just want to build a team around clefable for gen 5

i feel like it has some untapped potential

[upper plume]

clefable is viable

fs

I'm just not super familiar with clef teams

[ruby thorn]

neither am i

[upper plume]

I've seen quite a bit of

hippo + clef + steel

usually skarmory or jirachi

[ruby thorn]

yeah same usually skarmory from my experience

[upper plume]

lemme look at the monai invitational if there's something there

[ruby thorn]

i've been trying to look through old spl and smogon tour replays

[upper plume]

rn I'm processing teams

from monai invitational

[ruby thorn]

okay cool

https://pokepast.es/376f415b59c5d9e0

this just swaps out the tar and mag for hipo and jirachi

which allows more reliable rocks whilst not weakening the team to latios

i put psyshock on slowbro for toxicroak and tentacruel btw if you were wondering

[upper plume]

well uh

any of these pique your interest?

holy shit that's a lot of clef teams ngl

wait there's a drapion what

[ruby thorn]

ooooo the hippo, mew looks good

wait what where lmao

[upper plume]

fourth link from the top

team 2

[ruby thorn]

omg yeah with rotom

that looks interesting to say the least

row 11 with the mew looks interesting

maybe not the exact team but i want to see how mew pairs up with clef

[upper plume]

I guess clef naturally leans defensive cuz it doesn't really provide offense

I think like

knock clef + spikes could be interesting

[ruby thorn]

that is a good idea

clef+jelli+skarm maybe

[upper plume]

there was a team like that in the monai invitational

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-717832

this team

my conjecture on the team is

physdef hippo

spdef skarm probably?

air balloon jelli

stoss/knock/soft/twave clef

specs roost latios

and zam

at the very least it has hp ice and psychic

[ruby thorn]

yeah i like that team a lot actually i think it has a lot of potential

thank you for that im going to try it out and see what i can do with it

[upper plume]

np

[ruby thorn]

to be honest im having quite a bit of success with the new team i made with hippo and jirachi

seems like heal bell clef is really annoying to deal with

and the smack down lando t really catches skarm and ferro off guard that i dont really need mag

[upper plume]

Gl!

[ruby thorn]

thank you!

[crisp saffron]

Cool team, its very spike weak though

if rain or hazards are up you rely on latias for keld check

[hasty orbit]

http://pokepast.es/c0a4bef292f3df2c

I was thinking about getting rid of Serperior or Chesnaught

[upper plume]

I'm no oras expert

but chesnaught and delphox are not ou viable

[hasty orbit]

Probably not

Mostly been Serperior just carrying

Chesnaught is good tho just his typing

[upper plume]

let's put it this way

I'm checking the oras viability rankings

delphox isn't even ranked

again, I don't know anything about oras, so I can't help you

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[upper plume]

you could join the oras discord to get help

[hasty orbit]

I think you’re right tho I need to replace those three Pokémon with somebting better

Where is the oras discord

[upper plume]

click the link, you'll find it

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/b47522178a100be8

gen7 ou

it doesn't have wall breakers unless u consider tapu koko a hard hitter but it does counter specific walls like toxapex and the grass abomination

if tapu dies soon u almost always lose

is infatuate good with lopunny? if u set it to female you can screw over lando who's 100 male

[vast oracle]

• With koko+lucha, i dont think you need a zone here cause you pressure all the relevant steels enough. The standard AV magearna is the better spdef steel pivot in general, and gives you your AGren answer too.
• Mlop + lucha is pretty awful together since they overlap in what they excel and struggle with. I'd replace MLop with a breaker that deals with bulky teams and struggles more against faster teams, like Mmedi or Mmaw, to complement lucha better. Both also works well with your current voltturn structure.
• ** Choice specs tapu koko** instead, wallbreaks better and lacks recoil (more survivability = more opportunities to set terrain for lucha). Dazzling gleam over grass knot to pressure MLati better. Can run 12 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe instead to live +2 HJK from opposing lucha after rocks.
• use the smogdex set for landorus-t, preferably the SD + rockium z to snipe zapdos for lucha (still running some bulk like max HP is okay too)
• Personally prefer roost/taunt/subsitute/stone edge as the last move on hawlucha cause the only fairy you hit with pjab is tapu koko, which isnt the sturdiest lucha answer in the first place. Idk what your ev spread does, but if you need a good lucha spread there's one on the smogdex
• twave/wisp rotomw is generally better but nbd if you wanna keep toxic, might consider a 50% berry too in here

[peak canyon]

tysm! aight lemme get to my notepad

[vast oracle]

oh also for the tapu koko, if you still want to run life orb and dont want to be choice locked, you can go with 3a+roost

[peak canyon]

3a?

[vast oracle]

heck, even 3a+roost sets can run other items too, like shuca or magnet, but LO is still fine too ofc. your call

[vast oracle]

3 attacks (in this case, thunderbolt + hp ice + volt switch/uturn)

[peak canyon]

oo got it

I'm switching to magent

[kind shadow]

https://pokepast.es/4bb3a6582e0210be

Gen 5 team

[upper plume]

Looks really Keld weak

And Thundy weak

I'd probably add a Latios or Latias here

I also don't think Jirachi needs Stealth Rock here