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karmic geyserBOT Jul 18, 2023, 5:01 AM

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leaden fiber Jul 18, 2023, 5:02 AM

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Hmm

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six looks p good, id say consider sr tran + sd gliscor

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whats the pex evs for?

wraith mulch Jul 18, 2023, 5:05 AM

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what does sd gliscor threaten xd

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its felt weak to me

wraith mulch Jul 18, 2023, 5:06 AM

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leaden fiber whats the pex evs for?

lives something as a 2hko and the rest is a dump prob; what that something is i dont remember

leaden fiber Jul 18, 2023, 5:06 AM

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ah

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its probably fine then

wraith mulch Jul 18, 2023, 5:06 AM

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i took evs off teams from elsewhere

leaden fiber Jul 18, 2023, 5:07 AM

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taunt torn is ok breaker

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sd gliscor is just kind of broken

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lol

wraith mulch Jul 18, 2023, 5:07 AM

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o

leaden fiber Jul 18, 2023, 5:08 AM

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on this team it gives u better into like

wraith mulch Jul 18, 2023, 5:08 AM

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is it the kind of thing thats ok strong but hard to rkill?

leaden fiber Jul 18, 2023, 5:08 AM

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wash, lando, msab, etc.

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Yea

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taunt torn cant break stall on own

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sd glisc helps you keep hazard up

wraith mulch Jul 18, 2023, 5:09 AM

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icic

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ty

leaden fiber Jul 18, 2023, 5:09 AM

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@vast oracle if u have other thoughts tho 👍

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im still new to this rating stuff

wraith mulch Jul 18, 2023, 5:09 AM

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https://pokepast.es/8eab20a293e5bd61 took analysis glisor set, tran's set updated

flint ridge Jul 18, 2023, 5:53 AM

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this looks really hard vs psyspam

vast oracle Jul 18, 2023, 6:27 AM

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isnt that literally just a sample team with heatran over mage

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https://pokepast.es/ddf69a2953ab591f

wraith mulch Jul 18, 2023, 7:40 AM

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o

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ah that might have been it

fickle tulip Jul 18, 2023, 8:04 AM

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https://pokepast.es/23f864041fa855f0

team mono loses to pex

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ss

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I also have other variants of this team with tar>weav and leftovers ks aegi

tropic schooner Jul 18, 2023, 8:46 AM

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fickle tulip https://pokepast.es/23f864041fa855f0 team mono loses to pex

run protective pads urshifu with taunt surging strikes close combat and u turn, ttar over weavile as your team is currently mono lose to goltres, subtox is bad either run specs aegi or ks aegi

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specs aegi is shadow ball flash cannon close combat sneak

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ks aegi is spell tag shadow ball flash cannon close combat kings shield

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also run a faster zapdos that outspeeds urshifu and run thunderbolt

fickle tulip Jul 18, 2023, 8:56 AM

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standard cbtar and 248 HP / 28 Def / 232 Spe Timid zap?

tropic schooner Jul 18, 2023, 10:03 AM

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Yah

hazy grotto Jul 18, 2023, 2:51 PM

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I built a similar team https://pokepast.es/0ddbe282ffb9eb75

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lol

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:06 AM

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https://pokepast.es/92604609daae63f4 gen7 ou

karmic geyserBOT Jul 19, 2023, 12:06 AM

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peak canyon Jul 19, 2023, 12:10 AM

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rose snow https://pokepast.es/92604609daae63f4 gen7 ou

4/10

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:15 AM

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what would u suggest

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cant give me a number and den leave it a thtat

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 12:19 AM

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eeh

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hm

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 12:21 AM

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rose snow https://pokepast.es/92604609daae63f4 gen7 ou

whats ur concept behind this team ?

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:22 AM

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m-medi breaks through defensive cores paving a way for gren and mew

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 12:22 AM

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oke

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im not a big specs gren fan on offenses like this

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:23 AM

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hmm

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 12:23 AM

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and i think mew set is

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gimmicky

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:23 AM

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gren good spike setter and win con

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:23 AM

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leaden fiber gimmicky

hmm

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 12:23 AM

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so

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i think its good also if you have a real kartana check also

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hp fire ferro is not

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u can try like

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well i think this relies too heavily on trap fini

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:25 AM

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hmm

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 12:25 AM

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so like

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medi + gren + scarf lando + speed booster + ferro + bird

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or defensive lando + scarfer

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:26 AM

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leaden fiber medi + gren + scarf lando + speed booster + ferro + bird

sableye match up is so bad imo

vast oracle Jul 19, 2023, 12:26 AM

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lead msab kinda devours the team

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i'd make that mew double dance mage instead

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:27 AM

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vast oracle lead msab kinda devours the team

fini wins

vast oracle Jul 19, 2023, 12:27 AM

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uninvested moonblast does jack + you get knocked and lose long term

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 12:27 AM

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rose snow sableye match up is so bad imo

u just spike with gren vs msab teams

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altho idt u need ferro on those offense either

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:28 AM

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vast oracle uninvested moonblast does jack + you get knocked and lose long term

its does 40-50

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u dont think its enough

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 12:29 AM

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its not about beating sab

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its abt beating the team

rose snow Jul 19, 2023, 12:29 AM

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hmm

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 12:30 AM

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medi gren scarfkart +3 is ok too

keen oar Jul 19, 2023, 6:09 AM

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https://pokepast.es/552d36b0a77ddcb4, I just made another mega pinsir team... I love using mega pinsir in gen 7 ou

karmic geyserBOT Jul 19, 2023, 6:09 AM

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leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 6:09 AM

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uh

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rock tomb > toxic on drill, id probably make gren prot LO

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drop fini for another mon, probably a speed booster of some sort (think sgcm magearna)

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can consider sub z zone (deals with maw better) and a different sd lando set (smack down or sd explosion)

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@tropic schooner any other ideas?

tropic schooner Jul 19, 2023, 6:14 AM

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leaden fiber <@701762894387478558> any other ideas?

Fly z lando here

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Hawlucha is a bitch

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I would personally do this like

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 6:15 AM

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O

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true

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common lucha L

tropic schooner Jul 19, 2023, 6:15 AM

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Mdia + volc over mpins + fini

keen oar Jul 19, 2023, 6:15 AM

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from z-heal bell magerna, i'll go for rockium z landorous to nuke zapdos for mega pinsir

tropic schooner Jul 19, 2023, 6:16 AM

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Thats fair ig but u need smth for lucha still

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Hmm

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 6:16 AM

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thats why i like sgcm mage

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surely with

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aerilate qa

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ur ok?

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just hit it then go pins and rk

tropic schooner Jul 19, 2023, 6:16 AM

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If its defense seed you dont kill from full

leaden fiber Jul 19, 2023, 6:16 AM

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u dont kill it from full even w/o 💀

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but u can just hit it as it sd

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probably

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methinks.

tropic schooner Jul 19, 2023, 6:17 AM

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Meh

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Still rly iffy that u lose the offense vs offense

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If u wanna go rockz lando here i think i wanna fit serperior somewhere

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To punish fog

keen oar Jul 19, 2023, 6:21 AM

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tropic schooner Thats fair ig but u need smth for lucha still

tapu fini?

tropic schooner Jul 19, 2023, 6:21 AM

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Fini is a shaky check

keen oar Jul 19, 2023, 6:23 AM

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tropic schooner If u wanna go rockz lando here i think i wanna fit serperior somewhere

So, I should replace lando for serperior?

tropic schooner Jul 19, 2023, 6:24 AM

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Nah lando shouldnt go

hybrid matrix Jul 20, 2023, 8:56 PM

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gen 8 ou https://pokepast.es/b1d325f742da06dd pretty weak too ferrothorn and excadrill so i need help with getting a new member

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hasty ingot Jul 20, 2023, 9:53 PM

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hybrid matrix gen 8 ou https://pokepast.es/b1d325f742da06dd pretty weak too ferrothorn and exc...

I’d suggest taking a look at the SS OU sample teams, strategy dex sets, and viability rankings

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A lot here is for the most part unviable in the SS metagame

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Not exactly salvageable

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I’d also suggest looking at SPL SS OU replays to see what teams generally look like in this tier

leaden fiber Jul 20, 2023, 10:35 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/spl-xiv-replays.3714486/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-viability-rankings.3717979/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-sample-teams.3710892/
https://www.smogon.com/dex/ss/pokemon/

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here are those links

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@hybrid matrix

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👍

lime flare Jul 21, 2023, 12:36 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c8a5a469284d0c13 First time building sand and I'm not familiar with BW meta.

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upper plume Jul 21, 2023, 5:35 PM

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Your team is already pretty solid since it looks very close to an established structure, which is Spikes + Psychic types

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I think giving yourself a Spiker (Skarm/Ferro > Drill) will help Reuniclus and Latios wear down Tyranitar for each other

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Could also consider Scarf Latios or Alakazam as speed control

coral vine Jul 22, 2023, 9:50 AM

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https://pokepast.es/fc20e4bf4c1e9d07 a bit new to adv ou, spammed a lot of big 5 games when learning and wanted to build something similar. looking for general feedback

karmic geyserBOT Jul 22, 2023, 9:50 AM

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peak canyon Jul 22, 2023, 4:21 PM

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!samples

leaden fiber Jul 22, 2023, 5:03 PM

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coral vine https://pokepast.es/fc20e4bf4c1e9d07 a bit new to adv ou, spammed a lot of big 5...

hiya!

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So

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I like what u are doing here with the spikestack

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what i will say is that

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alot of these sets need some modification

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I would make salamence more offensive, with a set like this
Salamence @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Hidden Power: Grass
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature

Dragon Claw
Fire Blast
Brick Break
Wish

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Gengar looks fine, although consider giga drain on it to ease the swampert matchup

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Tyranitar you can probably go with the fast sample dragon dance set, gives you a wincon

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Tyranitar @ Lum Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
Hidden Power: Bug
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Dragon Dance
Rock Slide
Earthquake
Hidden Power [Bug]

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and then for metagross, id advise for bulkier / lefties so that you have more options versus aero/ddtar

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Metagross @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 80 Def
Adamant Nature

Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Protect
Explosion

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You can also make last move rock slide

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instead of protect

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Uh, the skarmory set should have roar over whirlwind

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the blissey should probably be standard ice tox

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Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Soft-Boiled
Ice Beam
Seismic Toss
Toxic

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hope that helps

coral vine Jul 22, 2023, 7:30 PM

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alright thanks, I'll try out these adjustments

leaden fiber Jul 22, 2023, 7:33 PM

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👍

coral vine Jul 23, 2023, 12:40 AM

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what is the difference between roar and whirlwind i dont see a difference

leaden fiber Jul 23, 2023, 12:43 AM

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coral vine what is the difference between roar and whirlwind i dont see a difference

whirlwind and drill peck are incompatible

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And skarmory will often run drill peck

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so you don't want to reveal that you don't have it

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before you need to

coral vine Jul 23, 2023, 12:44 AM

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ohhhh okay

leaden fiber Jul 23, 2023, 12:44 AM

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its fairly minor but it deters

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gar/loom/hera

topaz sentinel Jul 23, 2023, 4:56 AM

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https://pokepast.es/64fe571a49e07b92

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Can I get some help this is gen 3 ou, not sure if this team struggles to break past skarmory and deal with celebi / leech seed

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 5:13 AM

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!ssamples

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!ssample

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Uh

leaden fiber Jul 23, 2023, 5:14 AM

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!samples

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Hmmmm

leaden fiber Jul 23, 2023, 5:14 AM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/64fe571a49e07b92

ill get to u in a sec

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leaden fiber Jul 23, 2023, 5:14 AM

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se that works

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worrywhirl

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Unsure sorry

upper plume Jul 23, 2023, 5:26 AM

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!sssamples

karmic geyserBOT Jul 23, 2023, 5:26 AM

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upper plume Jul 23, 2023, 5:26 AM

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@peak canyon

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You need 3 s's cuz it's ss and samples

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 5:28 AM

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Ohh

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Thanks

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!svsamples

upper plume Jul 23, 2023, 5:28 AM

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There are no sv samples worrywhirl

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 5:28 AM

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cheempao

upper plume Jul 23, 2023, 5:28 AM

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I just copied these samples from RoA lol

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 5:28 AM

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!bwsamples

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peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 5:29 AM

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upper plume I just copied these samples from RoA lol

Well do U have an SV balance team

upper plume Jul 23, 2023, 5:29 AM

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Go to the forums

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Or the OU room on Showdown

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 5:29 AM

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Alr

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 12:56 PM

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Gen 8 Ou

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https://pokepast.es/8ac883b5e96cde2d

topaz sentinel Jul 23, 2023, 3:13 PM

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leaden fiber ill get to u in a sec

Umm u ever coming back lol

tropic schooner Jul 23, 2023, 5:16 PM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/8ac883b5e96cde2d

Idk why you have corv on this

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Melm over corv, make pult dragon dance

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@orchid tiger can u also look im kindq shit at ho-ing

orchid tiger Jul 23, 2023, 6:00 PM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/8ac883b5e96cde2d

Do defog lando, heatran > Corv, and Av torn-t > pult

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No freeze dry on Zolt is kinda rough these days helps immensely against gastro which can be helpful for blace

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Wisp is an interesting pick for scarf blace you want fire blast majority of the times since you don’t have any immediate pressure moves

leaden fiber Jul 23, 2023, 6:13 PM

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topaz sentinel https://pokepast.es/64fe571a49e07b92

uh

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team looks generally fine

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re skarmory issues, u kind of just have to hit it repeatedly

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can also consider mixmeta here

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psychic / hp fire, gives u a better mu vs skarmory + gengar

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but u have jolt for gar so its not that bad anyways

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still something to conside

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r

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re: celebi, defensive sets get destroyed by skarm spiking, u can try taunt gengar but i dont think thats necessary, dont be scared to go tyranitar on celebi

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offensive sets usually dont have the longevity with spikes / sand down

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i would also consider drill peck > toxic on skarmory

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u aren't great into heracross & it helps into celebi asw

topaz sentinel Jul 23, 2023, 6:42 PM

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leaden fiber u aren't great into heracross & it helps into celebi asw

Should I consider any replacements for it?

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Like Zapdos or something over jolt?

leaden fiber Jul 23, 2023, 6:42 PM

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this is fine

topaz sentinel Jul 23, 2023, 6:42 PM

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U don’t happen to rate Gen 4 ou do u

leaden fiber Jul 23, 2023, 6:43 PM

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i do not

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 7:07 PM

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tropic schooner Melm over corv, make pult dragon dance

Why do i want ddance pult and why melm over corv when I have no hazard removal?

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Especially together because that is +2 more physical attackers and -1 special attacker

tropic schooner Jul 23, 2023, 7:12 PM

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Hazard removal isnt needed

tropic schooner Jul 23, 2023, 7:12 PM

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orchid tiger No freeze dry on Zolt is kinda rough these days helps immensely against gastro w...

And id follow what they said

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@peak canyon

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 7:13 PM

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hello

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Ninetales-alola is has freeze dry already though im not sure what im using low kick on arctozolt for

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 7:14 PM

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tropic schooner Hazard removal isnt needed

what set of melmetal and is it good to have scarf blacephalon and ninetales as my only special attackers?

tropic schooner Jul 23, 2023, 7:15 PM

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Again

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Tysons changes are better

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Listen to them

peak canyon Jul 23, 2023, 7:16 PM

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i changed it to fire blast alrdu

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oh i understand now thank you

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i didnt understand what he was saying with the > and < before

peak canyon Jul 24, 2023, 12:31 AM

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orchid tiger Do defog lando, heatran > Corv, and Av torn-t > pult

what assault vest set is torn? i usually use boots

orchid tiger Jul 24, 2023, 12:40 AM

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peak canyon what assault vest set is torn? i usually use boots

It’s on smogdex if it ain’t I gotcha in a hit

peak canyon Jul 26, 2023, 1:51 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1b3a3f2809874147
I've not played much ADV OU at all, just wanted to make a Moltres + Hariyama team to capitalize on each others ability to chip + cripple opposing pokemon heavily, any thoughts?

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peak canyon Jul 26, 2023, 1:51 AM

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almost all the sets are from smogdex cuz again i really don't know much abt ADV OU

leaden fiber Jul 26, 2023, 2:11 AM

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peak canyon https://pokepast.es/1b3a3f2809874147 I've not played much ADV OU at all, just wa...

structure has issues really, u dont really have a matchup into mixmence

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um, I think the easy solve is just not to use hariyama

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u can do bkctar + bliss > hariyama and thats probably a fine build

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and then change the pert set to focus punch, and roar > whirlwind on skarmory

peak canyon Jul 26, 2023, 4:07 AM

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okay, thank you

teal rampart Jul 26, 2023, 6:30 AM

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Zapdos @ Electrium Z
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Thunder
Hidden Power [Ice]
Heat Wave
Roost

Swampert-Mega (M) @ Swampertite
Ability: Swift Swim
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Rain Dance
Waterfall
Earthquake
Ice Punch

Pelipper (M) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature

Hydro Pump
Hurricane
Knock Off
U-turn

Latios @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Draco Meteor
Psychic
Surf
Defog

Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 108 SpD
Impish Nature

Stealth Rock
Spikes
Knock Off
Power Whip

Greninja-Ash @ Choice Specs
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

Water Shuriken
Hydro Pump
Dark Pulse
Ice Beam

upper plume Jul 26, 2023, 6:31 AM

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uh

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teal rampart Jul 26, 2023, 6:31 AM

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ok sorry

upper plume Jul 26, 2023, 6:31 AM

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also, say which tier it's for when sending the link

teal rampart Jul 26, 2023, 6:31 AM

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https://pokepast.es/cb40448766479c09 gen 7 ou

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vast oracle Jul 26, 2023, 10:41 AM

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teal rampart https://pokepast.es/cb40448766479c09 gen 7 ou

Was the initial plan trying to build with z zapdos rain or?

keen oar Jul 26, 2023, 12:50 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5fa5e8d68bf7a91e is this mega heracross team good?

gritty scaffold Jul 26, 2023, 3:50 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5a9490c516ced586 Lgpe ou ive tried to make a team with eevee starter what should i change here

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teal rampart Jul 26, 2023, 3:59 PM

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vast oracle Was the initial plan trying to build with z zapdos rain or?

rain team with zapdos ferro latias as coverage?

vast oracle Jul 26, 2023, 4:26 PM

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teal rampart rain team with zapdos ferro latias as coverage?

if you want the electric coverage you can run koko over zapdos and replace latios with torn-t; gives you lots of pivoting with voltturn to support the team while still providing defog & a kart check. aside from the fact that base latios is unviable, you dont need the speed control either with rain mpert + agren

teal rampart Jul 26, 2023, 4:29 PM

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vast oracle if you want the electric coverage you can run koko over zapdos and replace latio...

use smogon builds?

vast oracle Jul 26, 2023, 4:29 PM

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gimme a sec, i'll send it over with some minor changes on the team

teal rampart Jul 26, 2023, 4:29 PM

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ok ty 🙂

vast oracle Jul 26, 2023, 4:54 PM

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teal rampart https://pokepast.es/cb40448766479c09 gen 7 ou

it's better to run defensive investment on pelipper here to support your offensive teammates. replace hydro for scald (more reliable and can cripple mons like pex, ferro, and rotom-w, which can be annoying for rain to deal with) and roost for knock off (recovery = longevity = set rain more)
with peli's job of setting rain, you dont need rain dance on mpert; instead, superpower lets you nail ferro, which greatly helps koko and agren in general. can also toy with substitute or even power up punch too
since your team now has a z fly torn-t to pressure mons like bulu and tangrowth better, you can forgo ice beam on agren for spikes to match up better against msab teams (cause ferro cant set hazards against it at all, and you lack a manaphy or crawdaunt which is rain's usual way of dealing with stall teams)
make ferro an iapapa/chople berry since rain offense tends to be fast-paced, with chople helping against mons like lele, mzam, and magearna (not sure what the EV spread does but make sure you can still deal with stuff them and mons like agren). also, since agren runs spikes, you can go with gyro or twave on ferro.

team should look something like this: https://pokepast.es/20e749e806514987
let me know if you need further clarifications (ev spread, moveset, etc)

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going to bed soon so i'll answer your questions (if you have any) and look at the other mhera team like tomorrow morning if no one else did by then

teal rampart Jul 26, 2023, 5:39 PM

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tysm

teal rampart Jul 26, 2023, 5:40 PM

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vast oracle - it's better to run defensive investment on pelipper here to support your offen...

should i use ferrothorn as a suicide lead? or how should i play with it

leaden fiber Jul 26, 2023, 5:48 PM

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u switch ferro into stuff that bothers rain

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like washtom and koko

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and then click hazards

teal rampart Jul 26, 2023, 5:56 PM

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k ty

vale lagoon Jul 27, 2023, 4:02 AM

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https://pokepast.es/758f6af082cbe11b Gen4OU team, thoughts?

karmic geyserBOT Jul 27, 2023, 4:02 AM

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New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 5:45 AM

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vale lagoon https://pokepast.es/758f6af082cbe11b Gen4OU team, thoughts?

You have to change your lead to zelf

vale lagoon Jul 27, 2023, 5:46 AM

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Yeah, I found out that you can’t choose a lead in gen 4

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It automatically picks the first Pokemon

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It also doesn’t have a team preview

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 5:46 AM

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Yup

vale lagoon Jul 27, 2023, 5:46 AM

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I’m new to the older gens, so this was a bit surprising

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 5:47 AM

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I think go with toxic over hidden power ice

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On Zapdos

vale lagoon Jul 27, 2023, 5:47 AM

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Alrighty

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 5:48 AM

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And I think jirachi should be scarf

leaden fiber Jul 27, 2023, 5:48 AM

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not sure if u need scarftar here, could do scarfzor or scarfrachi instead

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yea leaning towards rachi

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 5:48 AM

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And I think ttar can be like an sr setter

vale lagoon Jul 27, 2023, 5:48 AM

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Alrighty

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 5:48 AM

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You can go anti lead machamp instead of azelf

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Zerkas is right tho

vale lagoon Jul 27, 2023, 5:50 AM

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So scarf Jirachi, sr Tyranita, and Machamp over Azelf?

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 5:50 AM

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Yeah

vale lagoon Jul 27, 2023, 5:50 AM

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Alrighty

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Thanks!

fringe knot Jul 27, 2023, 7:31 AM

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https://pokepast.es/4e6c341730647449 8 gen ou .How can this team be improved ?

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 11:07 PM

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fringe knot https://pokepast.es/4e6c341730647449 8 gen ou .How can this team be improved ?

Honestly looks pretty good but I think it’s a bit slow

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Maybe go with Life Orb Rilla instead of buzz is an idea to also not let opponents setup terrain easy

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Grassy glide will be a good cover for speed

fringe knot Jul 27, 2023, 11:10 PM

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Rillaboom instead of buzzwole?

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 11:10 PM

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Yes

fringe knot Jul 27, 2023, 11:10 PM

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Ok ,thanks

short hedge Jul 27, 2023, 11:10 PM

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No problem good luck

thorny plover Jul 28, 2023, 6:38 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ae82bbd5973f740a

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just started this tier

leaden fiber Jul 28, 2023, 6:42 AM

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u dont need pex here

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consider koko

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and then u can put spikes on gren

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over ice

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uh i cant say im a fan of the kyub set but it works probably

thorny plover Jul 28, 2023, 6:43 AM

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what does koko do

leaden fiber Jul 28, 2023, 6:44 AM

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boosts tbolts/fusion bolts

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helps u deal with mlati

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natural speed control

thorny plover Jul 28, 2023, 6:44 AM

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i see i see

leaden fiber Jul 28, 2023, 6:44 AM

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good pivot

thorny plover Jul 28, 2023, 6:45 AM

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shuca berry set?

leaden fiber Jul 28, 2023, 6:45 AM

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probably ok

thorny plover Jul 28, 2023, 6:46 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b67a441da682ebba

flint ridge Jul 28, 2023, 7:37 AM

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I’d make lando the rocker here

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ash gren koko should be enough speed control

hazy grotto Jul 28, 2023, 8:15 AM

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thorny plover https://pokepast.es/b67a441da682ebba

this just Xtra HO but without lucha

thorny plover Jul 28, 2023, 8:15 AM

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ill be real

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dont like koko here

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gonna put pex back on

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for now

hazy grotto Jul 28, 2023, 8:16 AM

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y u slapping pex on offense

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seems random

thorny plover Jul 28, 2023, 8:17 AM

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idk man, just tryna get used to the tier and pex has been doing well on this team

hazy grotto Jul 28, 2023, 8:18 AM

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thorny plover idk man, just tryna get used to the tier and pex has been doing well on this tea...

koko is fine just try out this team lol https://pokepast.es/76c1446373c66c1c

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same exact thing

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And I’ve seen other variations of this team

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Using scarf koko

stoic surge Jul 29, 2023, 5:48 AM

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hazy grotto koko is fine just try out this team lol https://pokepast.es/76c1446373c66c1c

Lando, magearna and tapulucha🤮

hazy grotto Jul 29, 2023, 6:06 AM

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What’s wrong with Lando

flint ridge Jul 29, 2023, 6:08 AM

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U metaslaves

keen oar Jul 29, 2023, 11:53 AM

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https://pokepast.es/7f8192a7ecfb6778 @vast oracle, I'm using your team a bit. Any changes I should do?

vast oracle Jul 29, 2023, 12:13 PM

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keen oar https://pokepast.es/7f8192a7ecfb6778 <@137680963944579072>, I'm using your team ...

idk why the lucha has drain here when the original paste i gave you ran hjk. though in general, we dont rate teams that you dont personally build yourself as per rule 5 (especially when you're asking me to rate it, the same person that made the original team)

keen oar Jul 29, 2023, 12:37 PM

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vast oracle idk why the lucha has drain here when the original paste i gave you ran hjk. tho...

hawlucha because I don't want to risk a high jump kick. I can also use that for recovering

leaden fiber Jul 29, 2023, 5:08 PM

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u need hjk

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lucha is weak enough as is

gritty scaffold Jul 29, 2023, 5:48 PM

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ive wanted to try make a team with ttar on ss ou what should i change here https://pokepast.es/5ee68e1f0dfe060b

karmic geyserBOT Jul 29, 2023, 5:48 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

orchid tiger Jul 29, 2023, 5:49 PM

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gritty scaffold ive wanted to try make a team with ttar on ss ou what should i change here https...

this looks solid tho i would do ferro > tang and make this cb ttar

gritty scaffold Jul 29, 2023, 5:50 PM

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oo alr then

orchid tiger Jul 29, 2023, 5:50 PM

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besides that everything seems fine

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if heatran becomes rather annoying u can try pump > flame

gritty scaffold Jul 29, 2023, 5:54 PM

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hmm yea

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honestly dunno rly why id use flamethower all that much

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besides ferro

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which can be rly a problem

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oh yea @orchid tiger is the ferro evs rly full on physical defense?

orchid tiger Jul 29, 2023, 5:57 PM

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make it mixed

gritty scaffold Jul 29, 2023, 5:58 PM

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i see ig somethig like 208 on spdef

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ngl will be kinda weird only using spikes

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i thought rocks always a must

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just unsure if i try to run stone miss on cb tar ive been considering rock blast but is kinda bad aswell

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my mu vs urshifu will be preety rough aswell if is using pads

orchid tiger Jul 29, 2023, 6:08 PM

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most definetely tho if thats the case you coudl also do slowbrpo> shifu

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glowking*

burnt python Jul 29, 2023, 8:18 PM

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https://pokepast.es/fcece87c406f6fc3 this is gen 4, this is a sample team with some minor changes, tell me what you think of these changes.

karmic geyserBOT Jul 29, 2023, 8:18 PM

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New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

burnt python Jul 29, 2023, 8:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/45eba7d2646cbe71 this is the original for scale.

short hedge Jul 30, 2023, 1:31 AM

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burnt python https://pokepast.es/45eba7d2646cbe71 this is the original for scale.

i do not like gliscors role on this team, what is it supposed to do

burnt python Jul 30, 2023, 1:32 AM

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short hedge i do not like gliscors role on this team, what is it supposed to do

Again. It's a sample team.

short hedge Jul 30, 2023, 1:32 AM

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okay idk why you're posting a sample team here

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its suppose to be YOUR team

leaden fiber Jul 30, 2023, 1:35 AM

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many samples are outdated asw

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but all u did is change some evs and ppoint->ncure

short hedge Jul 30, 2023, 1:38 AM

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yeah i like the team outside gliscor gyarados might be a better option on that slot as a flying type but also something that's probably better at setting up then gliscor

frigid marsh Jul 30, 2023, 1:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/766943470c25af86

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These good or need improvements

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Gen 5 OU

gritty scaffold Jul 30, 2023, 1:37 PM

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i dont think you should use leech

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prob power whip could work

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also use stealth rock instead of gyro ball

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also i think you should prob use tenta instead of rotom

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as spinner

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rocks are rly annoying

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and id recommend use scarf latios on rain

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also i would recommend use the evs of that ferro in a bit of spdef like of the smog set because univested ferro can struggle alot vs special attacks

upper plume Jul 30, 2023, 4:52 PM

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Agree w all of these

gritty scaffold Jul 30, 2023, 5:01 PM

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wow

upper plume Jul 30, 2023, 5:03 PM

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You either go Scarf on Latios or replace Scizor with a Scarf Keldeo

mint glade Jul 30, 2023, 8:24 PM

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whats a good teamate for gachomp in oras?

gritty scaffold Jul 30, 2023, 8:50 PM

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depends on the playstyle u wanna put chomp into

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also if u wanna use mega

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chomp has alot of sets with diff partners

potent palm Jul 31, 2023, 1:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0a70d65846721490 sm

karmic geyserBOT Jul 31, 2023, 1:20 AM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

leaden fiber Jul 31, 2023, 1:20 AM

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manaphyless rain

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👁️

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u dont need cmsplit mage + vile

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so u might as well run like, cm focus

flint ridge Jul 31, 2023, 3:43 AM

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this is rain but w pert as the only abuser

undone flicker Jul 31, 2023, 4:29 AM

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https://pokepast.es/6139018c8cae490d sm

vast oracle Jul 31, 2023, 4:31 AM

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Yeah we dont rate samples here https://pokepast.es/41c77c804cafb96d

upper plume Jul 31, 2023, 4:34 AM

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their only difference is that their skarm has defog lol

vast oracle Jul 31, 2023, 4:35 AM

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The team focuses around stacking hazards and is very rigid against opposing ones, hence the lack of defog on skarm for toxic (or even counter imo)

upper plume Jul 31, 2023, 4:37 AM

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appears to be the sole difference

fringe knot Jul 31, 2023, 2:11 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6ab5daedfff817cf I don't know how to improve this team, against crawdaunt there is no chance just

tropic schooner Jul 31, 2023, 2:17 PM

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fringe knot https://pokepast.es/6ab5daedfff817cf I don't know how to improve this team, agai...

this is sorta weird, do you need blissey here? it slows down your team for no reason

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especially heal bell bliss

fringe knot Jul 31, 2023, 2:22 PM

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Heal Bell helps me a lot

tropic schooner Jul 31, 2023, 2:23 PM

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with losing momentum when you have breakers that need pivots to get in yes

fringe knot Jul 31, 2023, 2:23 PM

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What do you advise to do then?

tropic schooner Jul 31, 2023, 2:35 PM

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toxic volt switch dazzling gleam roost hdb koko over blissey

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leftovers on rilla to get more longevity for it to check craw better

fringe knot Jul 31, 2023, 6:12 PM

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tropic schooner leftovers on rilla to get more longevity for it to check craw better

So I should change Blissey to koko, thank you very much.

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But what does hdb mean ?

leaden fiber Jul 31, 2023, 6:20 PM

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heavy duty boots

fringe knot Jul 31, 2023, 6:21 PM

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Thanks

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How am I supposed to play against Blacephalon or Dragapult?

vale lagoon Jul 31, 2023, 7:47 PM

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Heya! So I was trying to make a balanced offense team for Gen7OU, but I'm a bit uncertain about how to build one. Here's the team so far:

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https://pokepast.es/aa1b75caccfd9bb3

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I was gonna use Gengar as a wall breaker, but Tapu Lele and Alakazam already seem to do good in that department

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Taunt from Gengar seems helpful however

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I do need some hazard setters, just not sure who to put

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and my team seems a bit frail as well, which isn't what I want

gritty scaffold Jul 31, 2023, 8:35 PM

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vale lagoon Heya! So I was trying to make a balanced offense team for Gen7OU, but I'm a bit ...

u mean bo?

vale lagoon Jul 31, 2023, 8:35 PM

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Yeah

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Balanced offensive

gritty scaffold Jul 31, 2023, 8:42 PM

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@vast oracle could you help idk much about usm to give tips here to this user

hazy bronze Jul 31, 2023, 9:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d9e16b1085ed467a
My gen7 ou team for a tournament

karmic geyserBOT Jul 31, 2023, 9:07 PM

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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hazy bronze Jul 31, 2023, 9:09 PM

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hazy bronze https://pokepast.es/d9e16b1085ed467a My gen7 ou team for a tournament

What do you think guys?

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 12:05 AM

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hazy bronze https://pokepast.es/d9e16b1085ed467a My gen7 ou team for a tournament

Not an expert, but I believe you’re better off running spikes over ice beam on Greninja

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You already have Medicham and Kyreum for ice coverage

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Spikes can help deal chip to Pokemon like Sableye

hazy bronze Aug 1, 2023, 12:07 AM

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Nice idea mate

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 12:07 AM

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Thanks :D

hazy bronze Aug 1, 2023, 12:08 AM

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I'm still starting gen 7 for s tournament (I started competitive in gen ,8) so thanks

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 12:08 AM

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Also, draco might be better on Garchomp, but I can see using dragon claw too

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 12:08 AM

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hazy bronze I'm still starting gen 7 for s tournament (I started competitive in gen ,8) so t...

Np! Where do you find tournaments btw? I also play Gen 7 and would like to join a tournament.

hazy bronze Aug 1, 2023, 12:08 AM

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vale lagoon Also, draco might be better on Garchomp, but I can see using dragon claw too

Maybe, I'm thinking about change thundurus

hazy bronze Aug 1, 2023, 12:09 AM

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vale lagoon Np! Where do you find tournaments btw? I also play Gen 7 and would like to join ...

It's in a discord server, but it's in spanish, if you want I can invite you

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 12:09 AM

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Ahh okay

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I don’t speak much Spanish, so IDK if it would work

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But thanks for the offer!

hazy bronze Aug 1, 2023, 12:38 AM

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Np, thanks for helping me.

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If you sometime want to join only tell me

vast oracle Aug 1, 2023, 1:20 AM

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vale lagoon https://pokepast.es/aa1b75caccfd9bb3

we dont rate incomplete teams here in the rmt channel(s), sry

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 1:43 AM

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ahh okay

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My bad

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 1:53 AM

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vast oracle we dont rate incomplete teams here in the rmt channel(s), sry

https://pokepast.es/0a2cf77c272f35c7 so I completed the team, and switched out Gengar for Greninja

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Not sure how well a protein Greninja would do, but I needed a pivot so I gave him u-turn

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I was trying to go for 3 offensive Pokemon (a wall breaker and special sweeper) and 3 defensive Pokemon

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But I'm not sure if that's how BO works

vast oracle Aug 1, 2023, 2:07 AM

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hazy bronze https://pokepast.es/d9e16b1085ed467a My gen7 ou team for a tournament

you have high-caliber wallbreakers but lack the support for em, specifically pivots. so i'd suggest running tapu koko here (terrain helps KB a lot and lets mmedi run tpunch to pressure mons like slowbro & msab better) by dropping volc, especially cause the team lacks the necessary hazard control for it. hp fire cause i value pressuring ferro more in this build, but also your other teammates pressures the grounds enough (you just uturn them in on an incoming ground) which makes forgoing hp ice acceptable.
landorus-t over garchomp for a ground immunity, another pivot option, & defogger. soft checks physical attackers in general--esp with intimidate--to complement chansey. you have enough firepower on the team that sd chomp isn't necessary imo.
the chansey set is way too passive for an offensive team like this cause it sinks too much momentum; thus, go for hwish over toxic, which supports your wallbreakers too (lets KB trade with stuff like mpert, koko, and agren, and also remove scald burns/toxic on mmedi or KB).
also yea spikes on agren, and substitute on KB (you dont need EP cause a lot of its targets gets smacked hard by terrain fusion bolt, and sub lets you play around people switching around your zmove and to use non-gyro ferro as entry point)

team should look something like this: https://pokepast.es/ad1306c4f8ee65df

vast oracle Aug 1, 2023, 2:08 AM

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vale lagoon https://pokepast.es/0a2cf77c272f35c7 so I completed the team, and switched out G...

why is there a z fight gren with no low kick on my screen

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 2:08 AM

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Oh my bad, forgot to switch the z move

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should've been life orb

vast oracle Aug 1, 2023, 2:09 AM

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also this team looks a lot like z0mog's psyspam team

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which runs z happy hour greninja

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idk if you wanna go that route lol

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 2:09 AM

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Oh that sounds interesting

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I could try that out

vast oracle Aug 1, 2023, 2:10 AM

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but that team is spikes-less, pretty different from your current approach

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 2:10 AM

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ahh okay

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Yeah I kinda do want spikes on my team

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for chip damage

vast oracle Aug 1, 2023, 2:10 AM

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yea it's fine, spikes + psyspam is always strong

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i'll look into your team in a bit or later today if no one else did (got called for a meeting)

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 2:12 AM

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Alrighty

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Thanks!

vast oracle Aug 1, 2023, 2:12 AM

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but shouldnt be too much of a change i think anyways

vast oracle Aug 1, 2023, 4:27 AM

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vale lagoon https://pokepast.es/0a2cf77c272f35c7 so I completed the team, and switched out G...

i know you wanted LO on the gren, but that set fits better on more offensive structures imo (like fairyspam or that kart psyspam). you can go for z low kick here (over uturn), helps nuke chansey and steel types like mttar, heatran, & ferro for your psyspam, esp since you lack a zmove atm on the team
make magearna the heart swap set instead, still gives you your pivot but matches better against calm mind mons like reuni and mlati, which can be troublesome for the team to break through. lack of av means you're more vulnerable against agren, which kommoo helps cover.
i personally prefer landot over gliscor here for the blanket physical check with intimidate to switch into mons like mlop, zardx, and hawlucha, which the team lacks atm. you dont need gliscor's longevity as much, and stuff that it switches into that lando doesnt--like heatran and pex--is dealt with by the team already (kommoo + recover mzam switches into heatran, and psyspam in general already pressures pex offensively). regardless of which you end up with, run uturn on em (over knock on the gliscor)
specs on lele over cmspoon to make it your wallbreaker, since you have mzam as your cleaner already. immediate damage works well with the pivot support from mage & ground, and you can pressure chansey better for mzam (psyshock 2hkoes)
non-scarf timid zone is a fake speed tier; i'd suggest adding 4 more speed evs on kommoo for mttar instead or drop all the way to base ttar, your call.

something like this: https://pokepast.es/3d5dc403f5487e38

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 4:29 AM

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Alrighty, thanks!

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Chansey has always been a struggle for me, so having a way to deal with in Greninja is great

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Plus I have pivots like Magearna and Landorus-T

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And great wallbreakers

vast oracle Aug 1, 2023, 4:39 AM

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yeah between spikes + z fight gren + specs lele, chansey should be pressured enough

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 4:39 AM

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Okay

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Would protect be needed on Kommo O?

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Or am I better off running a different move

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I understand stalling for leftover health, but he also has drain punch

leaden fiber Aug 1, 2023, 4:42 AM

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tect is good

vale lagoon Aug 1, 2023, 5:18 AM

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Okay

hazy bronze Aug 1, 2023, 9:23 AM

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vast oracle - you have high-caliber wallbreakers but lack the support for em, specifically p...

Thank you very much mate 🛐

fringe knot Aug 1, 2023, 1:06 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a747ad81b9228714 how to improve this team?

fringe knot Aug 1, 2023, 1:47 PM

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I was advised to replace Blissey with koko, but I will put blissey again, because many will kill me without it, but how to cope with a crowdount?

leaden fiber Aug 1, 2023, 5:48 PM

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💀

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thats wild

flint ridge Aug 1, 2023, 5:50 PM

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🌧️

leaden fiber Aug 1, 2023, 5:54 PM

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shit aint fixable LMFAOO

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choose a weather

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I like winning

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Nah

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im ok

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they definitely can

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but ok

flint ridge Aug 1, 2023, 5:59 PM

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Have u considered putting hail too

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i had smth cool w it

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https://pokepast.es/aa68cf8614ecb28d

upper plume Aug 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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ngl, using a quad weather team doesn't sound like the most synergistic idea

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good luck into psyspam

leaden fiber Aug 1, 2023, 7:01 PM

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only rain + zardy

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and like ttar

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ttar drill

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but not dedicated sand really

leaden fiber Aug 1, 2023, 7:16 PM

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LMAOOO

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💀

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rip

fringe knot Aug 1, 2023, 7:36 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4e3be91ff7a4996e or https://pokepast.es/2a7cc8805171acf8 or https://pokepast.es/ea53a5f7de8980c1 ? and improve this team?

raw hornet Aug 1, 2023, 9:53 PM

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What should i change to counter ash gren correctly https://pokepast.es/0ae0ce8ade92b7f9

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And is there any other threats that could bother my team

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And if yes what should i change to counter them

vale lagoon Aug 2, 2023, 12:47 AM

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raw hornet What should i change to counter ash gren correctly https://pokepast.es/0ae0ce8ad...

Trick room kinda feels overkill having it on so many Pokemon

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I’d go for fleur cannon on Magearna over focus blast and fairium Z if you’re looking to OHKO Greninja

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You could also go assault vest Magearna

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To tank Greninja and still KO it in return

opal beacon Aug 2, 2023, 10:47 AM

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vale lagoon I’d go for fleur cannon on Magearna over focus blast and fairium Z if you’re loo...

No need to waste fairum z on gren

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Tho that's the item usually run in tr

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with tbol

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Flash cannon/ice beam

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Focus blast for the excadrills and ferro

raw hornet Aug 2, 2023, 1:30 PM

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So final set for mag ?

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Fightinium z or fairium z ?

vale lagoon Aug 2, 2023, 1:57 PM

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raw hornet Fightinium z or fairium z ?

Fairium

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It’s mainly used to break through bulkier targets though

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Greninja goes down pretty easily to t-bolt/fleur cannon

raw hornet Aug 2, 2023, 2:07 PM

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So boltbeam and fleur cannon ?

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Or tbolt and focus blast and fleur cannon ?

vale lagoon Aug 2, 2023, 2:15 PM

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raw hornet Or tbolt and focus blast and fleur cannon ?

This one

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And flash cannon or ice beam for the 4th slot

raw hornet Aug 2, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Why not trick room

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Flash cannon for what

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And with the z fairy you already destroy ground types so i dont think ice beam is interesting

vale lagoon Aug 2, 2023, 6:01 PM

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Yeah but fairium z is a one time use, ice beam helps cover one of Magearna’s only weaknesses and allows you to save the z move.

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If you wanna use trick room though that’s cool

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You could always go calm mind+trick room

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To become a bulky sweeper

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And have fleur cannon and t-bolt

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Magearna’s a pretty versatile Pokemon

green glacier Aug 3, 2023, 3:59 AM

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fairium z is generally the best catch all on trick room

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Your team also is pretty capable of luring common fleur cannon answers and outright threatening them with others

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You could run more bulk on magearna to make it a faux ashgren check but in general that mon will always destroy these sorts of hard committal tr teams

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One thing i would consider is even making cresselia more spdef if it doesnt already take 2 specs hydros reliably (i assume it does)

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Waterium Z ash gren shouldnt 2hko cress with pump into dark pulse and choice specs is far more common and is pretty forced into clicking water stab (dark can be managed regardless)

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One thing i might also propose if you havent already tried it is life orb daunt over CB

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the cb hits really do magic under TR but being locked in can lead into free chances for opponents which is especially deadly considering the teams shaky bulk outside of your setters

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Its a judgement call regardless

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Good luck with the team!

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@raw hornet pinging since i realized i didnt already and its been a fair minute

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also cress thing is a bit awkward since cress puts itself in a stalemate against gren and can lead to spikes being put up looking at it again

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its generally why i struggle with full TR but if you need counterplay to ash grens stabs i think thats the best route that doesnt require significant team overhaul

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Stakataka is definitely the most expendable should you make a cut

raw hornet Aug 3, 2023, 11:45 AM

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Ok so i asked multiple people their opinion on the team and here it is

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https://pokepast.es/3f8058f518690dfa

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They told me to remove uxie put wak and things like that

gritty scaffold Aug 3, 2023, 1:13 PM

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Looks preety good actually

granite rapids Aug 3, 2023, 6:08 PM

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Figured I'd try Gen 4 OU, am I cooking or am I gonna give myself food poisoning?

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https://pokepast.es/c67e1e0b93da7379

fringe knot Aug 3, 2023, 6:16 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a83a370828c123ba 8gen ou how upgrade this team?

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raw hornet Aug 3, 2023, 9:06 PM

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Why zen headbutt

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Why grassium z tapu koko

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Tapu koko is better with roost tbolt vswitch dazz with like z fairy or electric idk

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Kyurem black is found on more offensive team

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Oh wait tapu koko is actually played wild charge hp ice uturn and roost

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Z move special tapu koko isnt real

leaden fiber Aug 3, 2023, 9:15 PM

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z grass isnt real

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z tbolt or z dgleam is ok

raw hornet Aug 3, 2023, 9:15 PM

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Yes

leaden fiber Aug 3, 2023, 9:16 PM

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ya dont have hazard control and z grass koko isnt real offensive pressure

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koko+kyub is found on more offensively oriented strutures

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uh, zyg10 isnt really good

raw hornet Aug 3, 2023, 9:17 PM

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Yeah i guess he wanted to build around it

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But the pokemon itself is pretty bad

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Thousand arrows hits celesteela i guess

green glacier Aug 3, 2023, 11:07 PM

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Ill take a look at gen 7 stuff in like half an hour hopefully

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@peak canyon how attached are you to zygarde 10 on this

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Just wondering cause i have suggestions that involve removing it but if the point of the team was to make zygarde 10 work id want to take a different approach

leaden fiber Aug 3, 2023, 11:51 PM

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el lucky

fringe knot Aug 4, 2023, 5:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a01544b0683c66bb

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8gen

lament gull Aug 5, 2023, 12:24 AM

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Usum ou stall attempt

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https://pokepast.es/3c78532bbdfd7502

leaden gate Aug 6, 2023, 12:46 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a745b1eb86bfb0f8 ssou

this team has worked fine but my MU for lele and victini is rough

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hasty ingot Aug 6, 2023, 1:24 AM

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this team needs a tornadus

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and it does not need a blissey

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you get schmoked by opposing kartana

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av torn does some wonders here

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also make that tran spd

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you got a specs lele you have all the special breaking you need

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av torn lets you scout opposing lele

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a bulkier heatran improves the vic matchup (which i dont think is that bad to begin with)

leaden gate Aug 6, 2023, 2:59 AM

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hasty ingot av torn does some wonders here

do you happen to have the torn set?

leaden fiber Aug 6, 2023, 3:03 AM

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if u do av torn id say mabe pdef tran for vs vile

hasty ingot Aug 6, 2023, 3:03 AM

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or colbur press bro

leaden fiber Aug 6, 2023, 3:03 AM

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or that ye

hasty ingot Aug 6, 2023, 3:03 AM

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Tornadus-Therian @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 192 HP / 80 SpD / 236 Spe
Timid Nature

Hurricane
Heat Wave
Knock Off
U-turn

leaden gate Aug 6, 2023, 3:04 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5ff344d88d170d73

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is that fine?

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wait the bro set is fucked

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fixed

lime saffron Aug 9, 2023, 3:05 AM

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Would this be the most appropriate channel to ask an RBY OU question?

upper plume Aug 9, 2023, 4:39 AM

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for a question, I'd recommend #comp-general or #comp-general-2

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for team help, then this is your place

lime saffron Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM

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Ok thanks, well I suppose its a team question - thoughts on lead Kadabra in RBY OU? The point being to run Alakazam and Starmie also but keep them away from para for later

upper plume Aug 9, 2023, 5:29 AM

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In that case you should play to keep your Chansey/Snorlax paralyzed so that those two don't get para'd

hazy bronze Aug 9, 2023, 2:52 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2449e361e739f096

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My team of gen 8 ou

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What can I do to improve it?

gritty scaffold Aug 9, 2023, 11:44 PM

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id say main problem is that u dont have a defoger

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which means you get destroyed by webs with no boots

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@orchid tiger can u help him? cathug

upper plume Aug 10, 2023, 1:20 AM

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I'll just trigger the ping

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https://pokepast.es/2449e361e739f096 gen 8 ou

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https://pokepast.es/2449e361e739f096 ss ou

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bot broke

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psycry

gritty scaffold Aug 10, 2023, 1:41 AM

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Only time will help

cold yew Aug 11, 2023, 2:39 AM

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lime saffron Ok thanks, well I suppose its a team question - thoughts on lead Kadabra in RBY ...

since you have to run all 3 normals this means your team is gonna be normals starmie alakazam kadabra which means you really vulnerable to stuff like zapdos

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and lead kadabra is slower than gengar too which is important

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if you wanna avoid para on alakazam/starmie the best way to do it is to let chansey take para

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bc it doesn’t mind the speed drop and becomes immune to sleep and freeze, but it does mean chansey can no longer switch into lax which could be bad in some cases

last gate Aug 11, 2023, 9:43 AM

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thoughts on good defensive cores
so if ever i field slowbro and ferrothorn what would i use to make the defense ironclad? cuz i see a huge problem who's named swords dance garchomp
like, aside from hitting it with something faster, what can theoretically take a hit before u turning outta there to pivot into something safer?

glossy copper Aug 12, 2023, 12:33 AM

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Very new to competitive pokemon and the modern games. i dunno that much about team building, so i wanna know if theres any major holes in this team. Gen 8 OU https://pokepast.es/7a29411156144881

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upper plume Aug 12, 2023, 4:12 AM

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Is AV Lele a real thing?

glossy copper Aug 12, 2023, 4:28 AM

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upper plume Is AV Lele a real thing?

I got the set off smogon. Couldnt tell you if its any good tho

forest latch Aug 12, 2023, 12:04 PM

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Not the best at team building but wondering about any major flaws or holes, also is sub garchomp real?
Gen 8 OU https://pokepast.es/a7ad842e18f4a494

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gritty scaffold Aug 12, 2023, 1:00 PM

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Why that lando is without eq , why that pex is offensive

short hedge Aug 12, 2023, 1:31 PM

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life orb pex?

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really

short hedge Aug 12, 2023, 1:33 PM

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forest latch Not the best at team building but wondering about any major flaws or holes, also...

id go with eq > toxic onlando

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Toxapex @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature

Knock Off
Recover
Scald
Baneful Bunker

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use this

gritty scaffold Aug 12, 2023, 2:54 PM

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Also that ferro should be spdef imo

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Your "best answer to pult is a non fully invested av glowking lol

forest latch Aug 12, 2023, 7:43 PM

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short hedge life orb pex?

it's funny and people don't expect it plus trying to avoid stall since its for some friends, and it does pretty good damage

forest latch Aug 12, 2023, 7:44 PM

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gritty scaffold Also that ferro should be spdef imo

what spread?

gritty scaffold Aug 12, 2023, 7:44 PM

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Full hp and spdef i think

hazy grotto Aug 13, 2023, 3:09 AM

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upper plume Is AV Lele a real thing?

yes

hasty ingot Aug 13, 2023, 4:25 AM

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i will say

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no quake lando

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unviable

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completely

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replace chomp with perhaps offensive heatran with rocks

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and change the pex to lele

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make the lando SpD as well

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with quake over rocks obviously

half heron Aug 13, 2023, 11:39 AM

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https://pokepast.es/274ea94e4263c6f9

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gen 7 ou

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any improvements?

vast oracle Aug 13, 2023, 1:21 PM

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half heron https://pokepast.es/274ea94e4263c6f9

dgleam koko on non-boosting sets (specs/cm) do no damage, plus you have weavile to trap mlati anyways, so just change that to roost. i'd also recommend running 12 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe instead (lives +2 lucha's hjk after rocks), which otherwise runs through these offenses
since you have 2 knock users already i think you can afford tpunch on mmaw instead. works well with koko and you can pressure celest, skarm, & physdef pex better
the standard chansey set is too passive for a chansey offense team imo, i'd replace toxic for healing wish instead: gives you momentum and supports your offensive mons better.
make kart jolly (speed tying with scarf lele and loses speed tie against opposing karts is bad) and dont forget the 4 extra evs too
optional but i'd go smack down on lando to pressure celest & skarm too, which opens up kart & weavile more. like toxic, you can still kinda cover for mons like tornt, zapdos, rotomw, and pre-mega zardx

as as side note: mon is niche but team gets 6-0ed by mega venusaur, so if that's a problem you often face then you can make the lando z fly and then run like lo/magnet/shuca on koko instead

raw hornet Aug 13, 2023, 8:25 PM

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What do you guys think of this team https://pokepast.es/73621520787df074

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I wanted to build around moltres

raw hornet Aug 13, 2023, 9:06 PM

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vast oracle - dgleam koko on non-boosting sets (specs/cm) do no damage, plus you have weavil...

Wait isnt weavile mainly used to kill psychic types ?

leaden fiber Aug 13, 2023, 9:14 PM

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not necessarily

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its also just a very threatening mon in general

raw hornet Aug 13, 2023, 9:29 PM

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I have a question

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Does stall needs a win con ?

half heron Aug 13, 2023, 9:39 PM

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vast oracle - dgleam koko on non-boosting sets (specs/cm) do no damage, plus you have weavil...

ive never had problems with mega venu

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still ty

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i do against sun teams tho

upper plume Aug 14, 2023, 2:21 AM

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Recommended this team to someone else, want to make sure I'm not larping too hard
https://pokepast.es/5e2a17002056a249
Gen 4 OU
Thinking of making Lati the lead and putting Recover > Dpulse on it

short hedge Aug 14, 2023, 1:56 PM

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lati looks better as a lead fs, i would consider sleep talk over dpulse

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id also consider rachi set Jirachi @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

Hidden Power [Ground]
Calm Mind
Iron Head
Thunderbolt

thin hatch Aug 14, 2023, 2:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/08b2341931aa8de4 Oras ou

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azure torrent Aug 14, 2023, 2:47 PM

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Generally with zard and especially with multiple SR weak

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You want more than just spin drill

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A reliable defog user like Zapdos or Latias can be great help

upper plume Aug 14, 2023, 3:11 PM

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short hedge lati looks better as a lead fs, i would consider sleep talk over dpulse

That's fair since I did need a sleep absorber

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Thanks

raw hornet Aug 14, 2023, 6:55 PM

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Guys what can i change here ? https://pokepast.es/014444e9f324ca0b

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Like whats the threat to this team and what can i change to no longer be weak to the threats

gritty scaffold Aug 14, 2023, 7:31 PM

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So what gen?

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Oh 7

gritty scaffold Aug 14, 2023, 7:33 PM

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raw hornet Guys what can i change here ? https://pokepast.es/014444e9f324ca0b

@vast oracle can you help this user they are trying to build a molt stall on gen 7

hazy bronze Aug 14, 2023, 7:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6a37e61ae723b8f5
What changes would I do to improve this team? (G7 ou)

karmic geyserBOT Aug 14, 2023, 7:38 PM

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brazen elm Aug 14, 2023, 9:35 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8a634df0bc95d32f have some heavy hitters and some niche and curious moves, any tips?

raw hornet Aug 15, 2023, 12:29 AM

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Dragon rush sucks

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Same for curse on ferro

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And night slash seems useless on gren when you can just use dark pulse

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You have hawlucha and mega zard x but they are HO pokemon so it dont fit here

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Focus punch sucks mega balls

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Hone claws also sucks

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Oh wait its a themed team

vast oracle Aug 15, 2023, 1:51 AM

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raw hornet Guys what can i change here ? https://pokepast.es/014444e9f324ca0b

weird attempt at a stall team, not sure what cm split mage is doing here or what sub moltres is for in general (only moltres i knew that can work is offensize z hurricane sets). mlati is also better in fat/semistall structures instead of stall, which usually prefer other megas like msab or maggron. another big thing is you also lack a ground too

vast oracle Aug 15, 2023, 1:51 AM

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raw hornet Like whats the threat to this team and what can i change to no longer be weak to...

it's impossible to build an sm stall that covers all threats, with this team in particular still losing to classic stallbreakaers like rain manaphy, KB, mmaw, etc. mttar also look like it feasts on this -- a rocker that beats both your defoggers and pursuit traps the mlati to enable mons like sd glisc or bulu

vast oracle Aug 15, 2023, 1:54 AM

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hazy bronze https://pokepast.es/6a37e61ae723b8f5 What changes would I do to improve this tea...

with mgyara + kommoo, i'd make the kokolucha build a screens ho team imo:

run the dual screens set on koko
a lead landot set instead with sd/stealth rock/eq/explosion and sash or normal gem
belly drum kommo over the z set since you have screens to ease the setup
specs agren on these builds sinks too much momentum if locked into the wrong move, so i'd replace that with another setup sweeper that benefit from screens. classic z move magearna kinda fits the bill here, especially since you also lack a zmove user atm. any offensive set can work; i prefer double dance boltbeam + electrium z here, but cm+3attacks or shiftgear+3 attacks with other z moves like fairy and fighting are fine choices too. magearna also stops scarf lele from cleaning through the team
run sub over waterfall on gyara to ease the stall matchup (eq+crunch gives you sufficient coverage)
pjab on lucha does nothing that acro+hjk already covers. you can go for either roost, taunt, or sub for that slot. can also run more bulk over max speed but i think it's fine either way

vast oracle Aug 15, 2023, 1:56 AM

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brazen elm https://pokepast.es/8a634df0bc95d32f have some heavy hitters and some niche and ...

yeah all of these sets bar scarf rotom-w are unfortunately unviable. i recommend looking through the smogdex sets to get an idea of what sets these pokemon usually run and what do they usually do in the meta

brazen elm Aug 15, 2023, 1:58 AM

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raw hornet Oh wait its a themed team

🤔

brazen elm Aug 15, 2023, 1:59 AM

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vast oracle yeah all of these sets bar scarf rotom-w are unfortunately unviable. i recommend...

The “better” one is that zard x has eq, garchomp has band greninja has dark pulse and ferro has leech

raw hornet Aug 15, 2023, 8:15 AM

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vast oracle it's impossible to build an sm stall that covers all threats, with this team in ...

I dont think it can beat moltres

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Cuz moltres have sub and pressure

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But i guess moltres cant switch in

hazy bronze Aug 15, 2023, 10:38 AM

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vast oracle with mgyara + kommoo, i'd make the kokolucha build a screens ho team imo: - run ...

Thank u very much bud. So you said something like this? https://pokepast.es/d3f86aef05c24f22

vast oracle Aug 15, 2023, 10:43 AM

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Yup looks fine

raw hornet Aug 15, 2023, 6:03 PM

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vast oracle weird attempt at a stall team, not sure what cm split mage is doing here or what...

I changed it https://pokepast.es/143f55819baee8c8 what do you think now ?

vast oracle Aug 16, 2023, 2:40 AM

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raw hornet I changed it https://pokepast.es/143f55819baee8c8 what do you think now ?

you still lose to a bunch of stallbreakers (or just some wallbreakers in general, like physical koko and sd kart), especially cause 0 dark resist means hoopau and crawdaunt have even more of a field day. though that's just the nature of building sm stall anyways, but you can prob still cheese some wins with that team

tropic schooner Aug 16, 2023, 7:26 AM

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vast oracle you still lose to a *bunch* of stallbreakers (or just some wallbreakers in gener...

my main concern would be how hard that loses to mgyara tho

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like lol

gritty scaffold Aug 16, 2023, 9:06 AM

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Mold breaker so fun!

leaden gate Aug 16, 2023, 7:07 PM

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vast oracle you still lose to a *bunch* of stallbreakers (or just some wallbreakers in gener...

physical koko 💀

leaden fiber Aug 16, 2023, 7:10 PM

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is a good set yes

half frost Aug 17, 2023, 4:42 AM

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Is these good? The format is gen 5 OU
https://pokepast.es/c27bc9ecb57b0d77

karmic geyserBOT Aug 17, 2023, 4:42 AM

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half frost Aug 17, 2023, 4:44 AM

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If you guys want explanations for each picks I'll give you the explanation if you want to

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 5:00 AM

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!gen5samples

karmic geyserBOT Aug 17, 2023, 5:00 AM

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upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 5:00 AM

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This is basically just the sample team

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With like

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Different spreads

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Ur fine

half frost Aug 17, 2023, 6:35 AM

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!gen6samples

karmic geyserBOT Aug 17, 2023, 6:35 AM

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half frost Aug 17, 2023, 9:06 AM

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I've made some minor changes to my hyper offense rain team is these better? The format is gen 5 OU
https://pokepast.es/af777939c1cab165

gritty scaffold Aug 17, 2023, 9:16 AM

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Id recommend scarf latios prob since ur team is quite slow and any scarfer can preety much outspeed this team

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Not sure about chomp in rain tho

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And put rapid spin on. That tenta indtead of knock

half frost Aug 17, 2023, 9:19 AM

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gritty scaffold And put rapid spin on. That tenta indtead of knock

In the sample set i see garchomp on rain

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 3:10 PM

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Sash Chomp is a dedicated lead on hyper offense teams

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So if u want to run Rocks SD Chomp, then I'd recommend Yache Berry or Lum Berry over sash

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Tho there really was no reason to remove ferrothorn from your earlier team cuz now you just lose to latios

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You'll also want at least one of Keldeo or Latios to be a Scarfer so that you have speed control

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It's really difficult to give up Rapid Spin on Tentacruel as well since that's what it does so well

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Live forever in rain and spin hazards away

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Wait your politoed is neutral nature

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Make it calm or bold

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Generally, if you want to include a different rain abuser, you replace one of Lati Keld Thundy

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Since your first 3 slots are almost entirely dedicated to Politoed Ferrothorn Tentacruel

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 7:04 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cf56e04b3d0976ef
I made a new team for BW OU, but I'm wondering if there's anything I missed in team comp. The core of the idea was a core of Ferrothorn and Chandelure, but I also added Keldeo to make a F-W-G core.

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peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 7:05 PM

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Ferrothorn specifically has been EVd to OHKO a Ttar after Rocks and Iron Barbs/Rocky Helmet with Power Whip

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 7:38 PM

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Your team is absurdly weak to Ground moves

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3 steels

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and no resists

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just off the bat

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Next chandelure is just

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not that good

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Your team is also very weak to keldeo

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And Rain teams in general

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 7:47 PM

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Ground was definitely something I needed to take into account, my intended solution was Keldeo and Air Balloon Chandelure

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Oh, what if I swap out Scizor for Latios? Swaps out a weakness for an immunity

gritty scaffold Aug 17, 2023, 7:57 PM

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you are very weak to ttar

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and any scarfer destroys this team

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exca scarf isnt rly that great pricipally mold breaker

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:00 PM

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The Ttar weakness surprises me a bit, Ferrothorn was built to OHKO it after taking a hit, Keldeo has guaranteed 2HKOs, and Excadrill has a 75% chance to OHKO after Rocks

gritty scaffold Aug 17, 2023, 8:08 PM

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you have a latios , chandelure and zam

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your best psy bet to dont get trapped is zam

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:09 PM

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Their ttar will only come in on these 3 Pokes

gritty scaffold Aug 17, 2023, 8:09 PM

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i dont rly find that good

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and restricts alot

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:09 PM

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But ye Scarf Drill is not great as a Scarfer

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And most fires in bw aren't great either

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Best is Heatran who is specific already

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:10 PM

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Chandelure is admittedly a personal pick

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My goal was to make a good team with Chandelure on it, and I found some nice synergy with Chandelure and Ferrothorn

gritty scaffold Aug 17, 2023, 8:11 PM

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chand will never be good on bw

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:12 PM

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yeah

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that's fair

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For Drill, I could just go with the standard offensive set, or the specially defensive set

gritty scaffold Aug 17, 2023, 8:15 PM

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Well drill sucks without ttar

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:15 PM

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I'd replace Drill

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Go with Starmie

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:15 PM

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noted

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:16 PM

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And replace Keldeo with a different Scarfer

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:16 PM

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really?

gritty scaffold Aug 17, 2023, 8:16 PM

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scarf chomp ig could work

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:16 PM

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huh

gritty scaffold Aug 17, 2023, 8:16 PM

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or latios

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:17 PM

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So I already swapped out Scizor for Scarf Latios

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And I just swapped out Exca for Starmie

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which leaves one slot left after I ditch Keldeo

gritty scaffold Aug 17, 2023, 8:19 PM

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mayb fit cloy or volc dunno

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:19 PM

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hm

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:20 PM

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Ur not really denying hazards from going up

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:20 PM

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I'm trying to figure out what the main weaknesses I need to shore up here are with the last slot

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:20 PM

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Maybe a wallbreaker

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Or a secondary defensive piece

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That can help fight rain

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:21 PM

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I was considering maybe Jellicent

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:21 PM

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I'd also recommend the standard Ferrothorn set

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https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/ferrothorn/

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Since hazards and Psychics weaken Tyranitar for each other

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Can also Will o Wisp last on Chandelure for that reason

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:22 PM

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that's fair, the only thing I changed besides the EVs from the standard set was Gyro Ball instead of Knock Off

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Are there any damage thresholds that you lose if you put some EVs into Attack for the Ttar OHKO?

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'cause that was with Power Whip, I'm fine with swapping Gyro Ball back to Knock Off

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or Leech Seed

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:24 PM

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Not really

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Tyranitar's best move into Ferro is Superpower

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Which drops its defense anyway

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:25 PM

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And a 0 Defense EV'd Ferrothorn still gets 2HKOd, so swapping out the defense EVs and a few SPD evs for Attack should work fine against Ttar

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https://pokepast.es/8bc2becd9483f927
Changed that around, just need to figure out the last slot

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:26 PM

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Defense lets you be safe against physical dragon attacks

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Dragonite Outrage

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Kyurem Black Outrage

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Garchomp Outrage

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etc.

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:28 PM

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Dragonite Outrage is a 4HKO

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Kyurem Black Outrage is a 17.6% chance to 2HKO

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:28 PM

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Defense is for neutral moves

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252+ Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Ferrothorn: 150-177 (42.6 - 50.2%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ferrothorn: 156-183 (44.3 - 51.9%) -- 15.2% chance to 2HKO

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can be useful to get an emergency layer of rocks vs dragmag teams

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and continue to pressure them from there

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I just

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I know why you have hp rock

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but the majority of the time, it won't really help

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:31 PM

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really

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huh

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:32 PM

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eh

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it'll help ig

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:33 PM

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I did forget to take the Quiver Dance SPD boost into account, but an HP rock still OHKOs a Quiver Danced Volcarona after Stealth Rocks

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And Flash Fire gives a free switch with proper prediction

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:33 PM

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the problem is that

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volc teams only need to spin once

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and their spinner is starmie

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and you'll have to deal with

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252 SpA Chandelure Hidden Power Rock vs. +1 72 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 212-252 (64.4 - 76.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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you can keep it but it might just be a shortcoming of chandelure as a whole

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cuz the metagame naturally makes life difficult for it

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ton of waters, grounds, dragons

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and whatnot

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:35 PM

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Chandelure definitely isn't the best, especially when Gengar is in the tier, but its my favourite mon so I always try to make it work in whatever tier I'm playing

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:35 PM

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even gengar isn't too great

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both are just meh

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if you want to keep attack investment on ferro

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give it a rawst berry

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so it can smack rotom wash

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and other scald pokes

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:38 PM

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that complicates things since without Rocky Helmet, Whip is no longer an OHKO after rocks

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:38 PM

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maybe your last should be a pokemon that actually abuses tyranitar

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like a lando-t or something

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then you can move rocks onto that and get a move slot

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:39 PM

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Fair enough

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:39 PM

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or make lando offensive

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:39 PM

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so just the lando lead set?

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:40 PM

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if you want it to be the rocker and check tar

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then go with the defensive set

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item can be either leftovers or rocky helmet

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then make the ferrothorn the standard set so that you won't fold immediately to specs latios

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:42 PM

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good call

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The anti-Ttar EV spread does seem like a fun gimmick but I realistically have better options

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:43 PM

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exactly

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:44 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7df797807a3c2730
How does this look then?

upper plume Aug 17, 2023, 8:46 PM

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looks fine

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better than before at least

peak canyon Aug 17, 2023, 8:46 PM

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nice

reef cobalt Aug 18, 2023, 9:06 PM

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https://pokepast.es/835f200acc8bd782

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gen 7 ou! wanted to make a team for a battle against a friend, though i wanted to ask what changes i should make to the team to be as optimal as it can be in case the choose anything

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cf2380ab3ef5cabc

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Gen 5 OU, vaporeon and ferrorthorn stay but their moves can be altered.
Looking for a more defensive or stall team

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:20 PM

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Tenta > Gastrodon

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You want spin support

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Ngl your team can't damage breloom at all

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:21 PM

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I notice, I had beef with a tenta in my last match.

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:21 PM

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Vap also just doesn't do anything

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With both wish tect and rest

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:22 PM

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in general or with the moveset?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:22 PM

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The moveset doesn't help

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But I also dont think Vap fits on defensive teams

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Because when Sand goes up, it's basically useless

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Not to mention hazards

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And breloom sits on it all day

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:23 PM

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im very stupid, so i thought that the wish would help if need be and hydration + rest

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:24 PM

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I've experimented with Vap rain recently

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But those structures are more offensive

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And play off Vaporeon's access to Baton pass

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:24 PM

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isnt baton pass banned in OU?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:25 PM

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Dry pass and sub pass are legal in BW

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Because the council really likes pass celebi

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But vap isn't complaining

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It now gets to be a pivot

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Anyway

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:26 PM

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what moveset should i run for rain team then?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:26 PM

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You need to deal with your severe Grass weakness

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Especially your weakness to Breloom

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And to a lesser extent, Abomasnow

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:27 PM

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hmm

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maybe try running uh

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heatran?

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idk

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:27 PM

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I think Latias could help here

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Gives you a resist to both of Breloom's stabs

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While being a backup Keldeo check

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:28 PM

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what abt latios?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:28 PM

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Latios can also work

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Latios is the more offensive of the two, but Latias has slightly better defense

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:29 PM

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hmm

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vap baton pass latias?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:29 PM

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Eh

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Idk if vap helps your team here ngl

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Cuz you have two pure water types

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Which check the same Pokemon

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:30 PM

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hmm

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what about clefable?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:33 PM

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Fits on Sand teams

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:33 PM

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what about sunny teams?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:34 PM

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Are you asking if clef fits on this team or are you asking about your matchup into clefable?

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:34 PM

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both

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:34 PM

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Clef doesn't fit onto this team because your team doesn't stack passive damage for it to outlast its checks

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Which is why it fits better on sand

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Because those teams like to stack hazards and spread status on top of sand

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Which clef can occasionally exacerbate with Knock off

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:35 PM

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if you had to put each type of weather into a category where would you put each and why?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:35 PM

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But clef isn't a common choice bc of its poor typing

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:36 PM

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upper plume But clef isn't a common choice bc of its poor typing

wasnt it super good in gen 4?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:36 PM

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It is

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But gen 5 has a ton of power creep

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Fighters and Rain boosted attacks and Latios

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And the like

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And in Gen 6 clef got the fairy typing and the spa boost

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:37 PM

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what about a sunny team with serpeior and uh other grass pokemon

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:37 PM

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Serperior is exclusively a screens setter

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Since it doesn't have contrary in Gen 5

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:37 PM

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was it gen 6 it got serperior?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:38 PM

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Yes it gained contrary in Gen 6

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:38 PM

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ah

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:38 PM

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abstract flare if you had to put each type of weather into a category where would you put each ...

So getting back to this

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Sand teams can be more offensive or more bulky

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Rain teams tend to lean offensive so they can abuse their Water moves, Thunder, and Hurricane in the rain

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Sun teams are either super offensive or stallish

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:39 PM

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stall?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Yep

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Ninetails/Cresselia/Chansey/Gliscor/Tentacruel

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1

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:40 PM

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I might try both types of sun and a rain team

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I am now the weather man

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Sun is inconsistent unfortunately

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Because Ninetales is not good on its own

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Only reason to run sun stall is Cresselia

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:41 PM

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upper plume Sun is inconsistent unfortunately

funny luck team

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:41 PM

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Dedicated hail teams are uncommon

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But you'll see Abomasnow on hyper offense occasionally

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:41 PM

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E

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:41 PM

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Which is what all weatherless teams are

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:42 PM

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arent there like team samples for different sort of teams?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:42 PM

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!gen5samples

karmic geyserBOT Aug 19, 2023, 1:42 PM

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upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:43 PM

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Anyway

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I'd go with CM + Roar Latias > Vap and Tentacruel > Gastrodon

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:43 PM

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CM?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:43 PM

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Calm Mind

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Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Roost
- Dragon Pulse
- Roar

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Latias will give you a decent check to Thundurus T, Breloom, and Celebi

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While Roaring around your opponent's spinner

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Against Ferrothorn, your best bet is to just

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Play the ferrothorn game

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:46 PM

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how does one play that

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and what would be the moveset for vap and tentacruel?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:47 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/tentacruel/

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Also

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Your Garchomp should have Outrage and Dual Chop

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Over Brick Break and Crunch

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:48 PM

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i have vap quag poli tenta ferrothorn and latias

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:49 PM

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I personally don't think vap helps your team that much

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But I guess you should run Scald toxic rest and Ice beam

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Ice Beam is for denting Breloom and Dragons

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:50 PM

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I remember seeing vap in the anime

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and wus like: woh cool fish thing

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:50 PM

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Vap is great in GSC but not sure if you're willing to learn it just for vap

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:50 PM

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GSC?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:50 PM

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Gen 2

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:51 PM

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oh gold silver crystal

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:51 PM

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Yes

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:51 PM

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i always ask what acronyms mean then know like right after

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:51 PM

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That's how you learn em

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:52 PM

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upper plume Vap is great in GSC but not sure if you're willing to learn it just for vap

Im new to competetive.

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:52 PM

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I see

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:52 PM

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so it wouldnt really be moving from gen 5 to gen 2

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it would be more like gen 2

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:53 PM

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It would be a new starting point I guess

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But gen 2 ladder is difficult to get a game in

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If you're insistent on using vap, I can give you a team

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Though idt it has ferrothorn

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:54 PM

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alr bet

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:54 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c32205c800809063

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Here

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It's more offensive and baits in Pokemon that like to switch into Water moves

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Which is where vap Baton passes into something that takes advantage

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:55 PM

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landorous is in gen 2?

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:55 PM

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No this is gen 5

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If you want a gen 2 vap team

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!gen2samples

karmic geyserBOT Aug 19, 2023, 1:55 PM

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GSC Sample Teams:
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen2ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen2ou
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen2uu
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen2nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen2pu
ZU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/zu-old-gens-hub-articuno-banned-from-bw-194.3646944/post-8692878
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen2lc
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen21v1

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:56 PM

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All of the OU teams are really solid

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Though I should just link the thread since it gives a team explanation as well

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!gen2samples

karmic geyserBOT Aug 19, 2023, 1:57 PM

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upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 1:58 PM

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Alright, the OU thread will give you the team, an explanation of the role each mon has, and how you want to play the team overall

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 1:59 PM

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mk ty

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 2:00 PM

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Just a couple of things to note getting into gen 2

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There is no team preview

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Which means a) you can't scout your opponent's team at the beginning of the battle

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And b) the first Pokemon on the team will always be sent out first

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 2:01 PM

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hmm

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 2:01 PM

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Currently, your lead is Zapdos, which is fine

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But lead Snorlax is also great

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 2:02 PM

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i'll tell you how it goes with either in the lead

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 2:02 PM

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Second, I have a variant which is even more aggressive

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- Double-Edge
- Earthquake
- Lovely Kiss
- Self-Destruct```

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Which uses this snorlax set over the curse set

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And HP Fire on eggy over Sleep Powder

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So now you have 4 explosions over 3

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 2:04 PM

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alr

upper plume Aug 19, 2023, 2:05 PM

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Anyway gl

abstract flare Aug 19, 2023, 2:11 PM

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ty

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first match

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went alright

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got him down to 2 pokemon

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being blissy and tyranitar

raw hornet Aug 19, 2023, 2:19 PM

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reef cobalt gen 7 ou! wanted to make a team for a battle against a friend, though i wanted t...

Lucario is unviable i dont think it could work

#Old Gens OU