Old Gens OU

[ivory obsidian]

And just chose carbink as my special wall because smogon recommended pairing it with spiritomb

[upper plume]

Tyranitar runs chople berry and a ton of special defense investment solely for these two psychics

The idea is that ttar can handle at least one of them, and the rest of the team gangs up on the other

Pursuiting in general is nice to have

And also in Gen 4 both tyranitar and hippowdon were great Sand setters

In Gen 5, the prevalence of Spikes stacking makes it hard to use Hippowdon since it doesn't counter many of the brutal special attackers of the tier

Whereas Tyranitar has that spdef boost

[fallow grail]

Once again this explanation is basicly; we use it to deal with the broken stuff. Meaning it doesnt shape the meta, like the s tier is discriped, but is shaped by the meta instead. Also Ttar isnt the only way to deal with the psychics. Bliss is still a thing. More, this Argument doesnt even work, when latios uses surf.

[upper plume]

1. Latios Surf doesn't OHKO Tyranitar (and it doesn't 2HKO without a Choice Specs) so Tyranitar can handle latios just fine

2. Blissey and Chansey don't see much use because the Psychics get paired with Spikes, which rip off huge amounts of Blissey's health

And spinning over the course of the game is unreliable

[fallow grail]

I am sorry sir, but this is just wrong. Spinning over the course of the game is definatly reliable. I do use bliss in gen 5 and it is doing just fine.

[upper plume]

Therefore ttar is just easier because you can weaken one of the Psychics while also keeping Rain in check

How much Jellicent have you played against?

Also many of these teams use Skarmory who sits on Excadrill

[fallow grail]

All jellicent does is walk into a very hard hitting eq... also jelly cant do much to bliss. It can try to taunt and/or burn. Also as long as skarm doesnt have helmt, drill doesnt care about it.

[upper plume]

blissey can be successful

it just requires more help

than something like tyranitar

(also this isn't really a discussion channel, I'd recommend asking on smogon or in the bw discord)

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[upper plume]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-simple-questions-simple-answers-thread.3686717/

this is an ag team?

[ivory obsidian]

Yes

I don’t need it to stay that way though, I’m trying to adapt it to OU

[upper plume]

there are ou viable stall and balanced teams in the samples

otherwise there aren't that many gen 6 raters in this discord

!orassamples

[karmic geyser]

ORAS Sample Teams:
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-sample-teams.3694551/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6uu
RU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6ru
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6pu
ZU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6zu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6lc
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6monotype
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen61v1

[ivory obsidian]

I’m actually looking to move this to gen 7, I forgot to mention that

Does that change anything?

[upper plume]

tbh not really

I would probably still tell you not to use spiritomb

[ivory obsidian]

: (

[upper plume]

or carbink or mega audino

and then from gen 6 to 7 cofagrigus falls out of viability

and skarmory and amoongus are niche defensive pokemon

[ivory obsidian]

!smsamples

[karmic geyser]

SM Sample Teams:
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ou
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7uu
RU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ru
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7pu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7lc
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen71v1
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7monotype
Let's Go OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lets-go-overused-discussion-resources.3667865/post-8552756

[vast oracle]

• koko and ape are unfortunately unviable, i'd just replace them with choice specs koko + scarf victini if you want mons that do similar stuff (but are generally better). victini can run final gambit to lure in pex and heatran for SD Msciz to sweep more easily, but offensive with bolt strike is also fine cause you have eterrain.
• i'd recommend SD Fly Z lando over gliscor, gives you your zmove user, a stealth rocker, and another wallbreaker that takes advantage of the voltturn flying around. fly z nukes bulky grasses like bulu and tangrowth for koko & serp, but rock z is an okay alternative to hit torn-t for serp and rotom-w + zapdos for msciz. can still run bulk to switch into physical attackers in general too

minor changes:

• make rotom-w fully spdef + 50% berry since it's your ashgren answer
• leech seed over defog on serp, which works well with sub, lets you beat stuff like chansey, zapdos, and mlati 1v1
  should look something like this: https://pokepast.es/bf71afa9a4c00d05 but feel free to experiment with the other alternatives i mentioned above

[peak canyon]

I'm sorry Koko?

[vast oracle]

zera sorry

[peak canyon]

U mean Zera?

Oh okii

[vast oracle]

mon is so trash i forgot its name

[upper plume]

fluxh saw the yellow elec and thought "ah yes terrain"

[vast oracle]

😭

[peak canyon]

😭😭 it has a cool design

Yuh

I can see

The update

Makes Alot more sense

[vast oracle]

the only zera set that have ever seen use is the sub + endeavor set

[peak canyon]

And is much more viable

Also why leech seed

And why not glare

On

Serp

If not defog

[vast oracle]

leech seed over defog on serp, which works well with sub, lets you beat stuff like chansey, zapdos, and mlati 1v1

[peak canyon]

Ohhh

Thanks

I should've read it more thoroughly

[vast oracle]

beating chansey helps koko, beating zapdos helps msciz, beating mlati helps victini

[peak canyon]

Oki I'll test the team out if I run into any problems I'll let u know

[vast oracle]

you could make the rotom-w a tapu fini or msciz an AV mage for the agren matchup, but i didnt want to change the team too much (cause i did like 3 changes already, even though they're somewhat similar mons)

so i guess settling for spdef rotom-w + berry is enough of a stopgap for now, and win before it transforms lol

per rule 5, we only rate teams that you built. this team also looks like a team i posted on the forums a long time ago LOL

[reef cobalt]

oh, whoops! sorry about that

[vast oracle]

scarf zone + chansey + slowbro + gliscor is a good core

[reef cobalt]

oooo

that sounds like an interesting team!

[vast oracle]

can make gliscor sd and change mmaw for weavile and it's another good team

(with rocks chansey ofc, and can try mega slowbro too)

[reef cobalt]

alright! thank you!

[peak canyon]

What do I do for

Specs blaceph

[vast oracle]

fire + ghost in general feasts on the defensive water + steel + ground cores of offenses like these, with ghost in general being a pretty spammable stab move; unless you run stuff like mtar or kommo-o, bulky mons like chansey, or something that can pivot into it like pex, then it'll prob claim a kill. sd z lando should be able to keep rocks up so blace shouldn't come in as easily, you have specs koko to revenge kill it (scarf victini can too but blace has to be chipped first), and spdef rotom-w to slow it down a bit

mon in general is very niche so idt it's an issue you'll constantly be facing

[peak canyon]

Yes I hear u on that

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/bf64b163f9828a03 another one for usum ou this tim with a sd kart approach

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/8818e58f8167e6b3 so bad

[peak canyon]

Is it just me or does that look a bit too weak to rockium z chomp + scarf kart

[tropic schooner]

It is kart weak

Chomp is relatively fine

I can rkill it with 3 mons and deal with it with scarf lando

Plus it doesnt setup on much

[peak canyon]

Also why knock off

On blaceph

Why not trick?

[tropic schooner]

If you keep specs and knock off chanseys evio

You 2hko it with fire blast

[peak canyon]

So it's an alternative to keeping the specs while still pressuring the Chansey

[tropic schooner]

Yeah

Its generally worse but i found it cool

[peak canyon]

It is but it can still work

[peak canyon]

Magearna?

[tropic schooner]

Just stay in and fleur

You live one

[peak canyon]

It doesn't have fluer

It has flash

[tropic schooner]

Ah wait thats an oopsie

[peak canyon]

Oh ok

[tropic schooner]

It should have fleur or ice beam

[peak canyon]

I was like

Yeah

Yeah that makes sense

What if u make heatran taunt stall breaker and add in Zapdos maybe?

[vast oracle]

i open cord and i see 2 blace teams back to back

[tropic schooner]

yes!

[vast oracle]

what is this blace invasion

[tropic schooner]

i have no blace in my builder

and i just saw this

and i was like shit i have to get a blace

[vast oracle]

I think you want to run less speed for more bulk on fini cause it's your sole water resist, especially for a double fire like this. otherwise mpert kinda runs through the team

I have a spread if you want

[tropic schooner]

sure

[vast oracle]

but other than that, looks fine overall. cool core

EVs: 248 HP / 164 Def / 40 SpD / 56 Spe Calm

outspeeds modest magnezone, lives 2 ada mpert's eq after lefties

you dont need the SpA too cause no scald

[tropic schooner]

aight thxxx

[vast oracle]

now for the other clown team

[tropic schooner]

i might want double prio on mlop

wdyt

[vast oracle]

hmm i think that's fine

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/4d21d7e38a524c0c ugly ass team lol

[vast oracle]

the clown turns the whole team into a circus unfortunately

[tropic schooner]

yeah lol bad mon

anyways go do the other team!!

[peak canyon]

Look at mine wen😓

[vast oracle]

make ttar chople so you get to run rocks, and spdef rotom-w with lefties + pain split over slowbro. no steel and proper ashgren answer but i tried cramming the necessary support into 2 slots while still keeping pursuit, i guess you just outoffense the enemy team then

scarf lele clicks moonblast 6 times 💀

is this a blace team or is that just being slapped on?

can make the ttar CB instead + spdef rocks heatran over the blace instead if this is an sd kart team

[peak canyon]

It's an sd kart team

And I also noticed

I'm super weak to

Kart scarf

[vast oracle]

if thats the case then this change should suffice

with rotom-w over slowbro too

[peak canyon]

Oh

Okah

I'll make these changes and show

[vast oracle]

it cant really lock itself into a move to sweep the team

[peak canyon]

Also I never realized u were famous dem

[vast oracle]

unless the team is at low health of course, and at that point it's just doing its thing, and it's your duty to keep the pieces healthy ingame

what, no i'm not LOL

[peak canyon]

I saw u in

Jimothys video

U made the green horn core

Bulu + heracross

Royalfluxh

I thought u sounded familiar fr

[peak canyon]

Mhm

Cb = choice band or chople berry?

I'm guessing band

[vast oracle]

LOL what i'm intrigued now

i assume it's a yt channel

ye choice band tyranitar + spdef stealth rock heatran

[peak canyon]

Jimothy is cool is a poketuber ig and he was going with the most interesting cores per gen and for gen 7 he used ur heracross + bulu core

[peak canyon]

How does that help me with kart again-

[vast oracle]

not mine per se, cause it's been around before me but hey glad to share that wisdom around

scarf kart cant lock into one move to sweep the team

[peak canyon]

Oh

[peak canyon]

Oh okiii

[vast oracle]

unless you run torn-t on these offenses, kart can snowball like crazy anyways

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/bd0e495f9fdebb21

Is that all the changes?

Oh wait r wash

[vast oracle]

ye

[peak canyon]

Pain split?

[vast oracle]

ye lefites + pain split

[peak canyon]

K

Ok team looks pretty solid rn

Is mega loup ok?

I have a feeling I'm gonna be around here Alot 😭 😂

[vast oracle]

ye it's ok

as long as i'm available i dont mind helping dw

make sure to make rotom-w full spdef too

[peak canyon]

Oh so heatran and wash both full spdef?

[vast oracle]

yea

they check different stuff, and can still take on physical attackers if need be

[peak canyon]

I don't lose to lucha with full spdef right

[vast oracle]

like spdef rotom-w is mostly your agren answer, but can still slow down mpert for a bit due to its typing

stone edge lando + sand damage + fake out mlop should ideally prevent it from sweeping

hawlucha is an offense killer anyways

i had rotom-w for the volt switch support for your offensive core, but if you dont need it you can run tapu fini instead

misty terrain lets your offensive core somewhat pivot in safely, lettimg them switch into passive mons etc

[copper gull]

Still it’s a not fully evolved pokemon

I recommend using sample teams

[ivory obsidian]

Carbink has no evolution

[copper gull]

Oh yeah I was trippin then

I thought carbink could evolve into diancie

But still @ivory obsidian

DONT USE AUDINO

in OU at least

[ivory obsidian]

I’m not lol

I said im willing to switch out anyone

I just wanna find out what role spiritomb can play

I know it’s sub optimal, but where would I put him if anywhere

[copper gull]

it has no viable niche

Not even a gimmick

Also

Yeah just cuz it’s your favourite mon doesn’t mean it should be included sadly

My favourite is Alakazam and it isn’t even viable in ND

OU

I’d recommend looking at some sample teams and build yours based on it

I don’t play Gen 6 I think this is

So I can’t really help

But I do play gen 3

[ivory obsidian]

7*

[copper gull]

So I can say for sure skarmory is an amazing pick

Especially for stall

Cofagrigus is just.. there

[vast oracle]

Spiritomb is unfortunately unviable in sm, especially in stall, which is already a tough archetype to make work when you're strapped for all your team slots to cover the metagame's plethora of threats. it's just infinitely outclassed by the other dark/ghost in Mega Sabeleye cause of the latter's reliable recovery, magic bounce, knock off, and pre-mega prankster-wisp, all of which are huge boons that make it a stall staple. Theoretically, one niche spiritomb can do over mega sabeleye is pursuit -- even then, if stall teams want to run a pursuit trapper, they'll generally run alolan muk; aside from a better offensive movepool and bulk, alolan muk actually deals with tapu lele--one of the scariest stallbreakers--better instead of faltering against it thanks to its typing. If you want to run a PP-stalling bulky setup sweeper with Pressure, Suicune does that job better too (wether it's sub+tect or resttalk) between high speed and stab scald, giving it a place on specific (hyper) offenses and semi-stall teams. So basically, spiritomb has no niche whatsover -- even if it does, no one in the 7 years of SM's history has ever found it

[ivory obsidian]

That’s fair, I appreciate it anyway

[vast oracle]

yea for sure. Always a big fan of running niche mons in OU in general, especially on the right teams where it can shine, but sometimes some mons are just incapable of doing it unfortunately

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/147b4d14dc86ae39

How is this in the works for usum ou?

[gritty scaffold]

ive made a team for lgpe ou with clefable should i change somethin here? https://pokepast.es/513417f11f94c4ef ping reply pls

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @cyan ether, @tropic harbor. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose snow]

https://pokepast.es/ebb4d9978cb2fe77 gen 7 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wary condor]

https://pokepast.es/3906628cfed18649 gen 7 ou

[mellow vector]

https://pokepast.es/657f7bbbe2613500 gen 3 ou surely this will be a great team considering my skill level in the tier (experience is laddering for a few games)

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mellow vector]

"wont notify you for at least 6 hours" lol

also ik spikes do like nothing for hera but idk what else to run for a flying resist

[upper plume]

Aero or Tar?

Or dos

[mellow vector]

maybe

[vast oracle]

there's so many sm teams help

[upper plume]

[vast oracle]

• team is giga walled by mlati, i'd make that volc z bug buzz instead. lets you pressure stuff like reuni and slowbro more easily for mmedi too. mmedi + lando should pressure pex enough, and other targets like spdef kommo-o gets chipped easily anyways
• scarf drill is very niche (near-unviable imo), I can see it only on very specific rock-weak (hyper) offenses. otherwise, i'd prefer scarf lando with defog here, lets you switch into physical attackers like mlop and opposing mmedi better, a proper ground immune, and most importantly provides uturn for your mmedi
• pex is a bit too passive and you lack a stealth rock setter in general (and with exca gone, you lack a proper steel too), so i'd make pex a stealth rock ferro instead. still gives you your agren answer
• i'd make rotom-w a mixed spread + 50% berry to check volc better (lmk if you want a spread)

[vast oracle]

looks fine, just minor changes:

• punishment over stone edge on lando to deal with bulky cm-ers like reuni and mlati, which can otherwise wall your psyspam, especially cause you have z rock chomp to pressure & lure the birds already
• volt switch over discharge on zapdos to support lele & chomp with pivoting, and run some speed too imo; either 20 Spe for timid zone or 44 Spe for paralyzed +1 zardx and victini
• if you're not going for max/max on mzam, run at least 148 Spe for scarf bulu
  modest lele is very greedy but it's fine i guess

[peak canyon]

Can u send ferrothorn and rotom wash sets please

Oh

[vast oracle]

sry misclick

was about to edit the set lol

1 sec

[peak canyon]

Oki

[vast oracle]

Ability: Iron Barbs  
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD  
Careful Nature  
- Stealth Rock  
- Leech Seed  
- Power Whip  
- Knock Off / Thunder Wave```
if you run thunderwave go for EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 220 SpD / 12 Spe  instead to outspeed para'd clef
```Rotom-Wash @ Iapapa Berry  
Ability: Levitate  
EVs: 248 HP / 132 Def / 120 SpD / 8 Spe  
Calm Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Hydro Pump  
- Volt Switch  
- Will-O-Wisp / Thunder Wave
- Defog```
speed for crawdaunt, special bulk to live 2 specs pre-evo agren's dark pulse and 2 volc's +1 bug buzz after rocks & iapapa

can go paraspam cause it works well with mmedi + subglare serp lol

just other options you can try

and if you want people to hate you

[peak canyon]

Hate is what fuels me

So

Para spam

Should suffice

[vast oracle]

demonic

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/2deef925481bfad0

[vast oracle]

fix the rotom-w set; 50% berry with defog and 1 of the status

[peak canyon]

Ohhh

https://pokepast.es/5b3243ff90176160 @vast oracle do we need double defog

[obtuse citrus]

why arent u running bullet punch on medicham

also u dont really need defog on lando

[peak canyon]

Do I need to run bullet punch? And instead of what

[obtuse citrus]

it always good to have pirority i would say use it over ice punch

[vast oracle]

looks fine, double defog is pretty standard for a volc team, especially cause you dont have mdiancie

[peak canyon]

Oh

[peak canyon]

Huh-? I'm sorry ur gonna have to be more clear what exactly am I hitting with bp and why do I need it over ice punch?

[vast oracle]

you're saying this as if bullet punch is a must have on mmedi, which isnt the case

[vast oracle]

this is wrong too

@peak canyon if you think 1 defogger is fine, you can try pain split + lefties on rotom-w instead. lets you annoy chansey, which helps volc + serp a lot. just an alternative to consider

[peak canyon]

I'll look into it and see to it

After testing

[hazy grotto]

diancie

[vast oracle]

bullet punch is mainly for mdiancie, which is not necessary when you have 2 mons to rk it already (serp + scarf lando). i guess you can make a point for it to hit weavile here. even then, you have para support so not running BP is not the end of the world

[peak canyon]

Also I think ice punch hits Alot more

[vast oracle]

ya mlati is a big one

[vast oracle]

• Make clef more offensive instead with LO + fireblast/thunder, potentially with more Spa investment (can still run lots of bulk if you like); lets you pressure slower teams for agren in general and msab for mmedi. The set works very well with spikes from agren too
• make lando a bulky scarf set with defog cause you have no hazard removal atm, with punishment for bulky CM psychics that are annoying for mmedi, especially cause non-specs agren has a harder time punishing them
• might as well run a bit more speed evs on jirachi to outspeed modest heatran
• can try eject on pex to help mmedi get in safely, but also can still be a fine one-time switch in to heatran. idk what that ev spread does but just make sure you can still handle stuff like agren, zardy, and volcarona

[rose snow]

https://pokepast.es/12b773ccb2946dcb what about now?

[vast oracle]

Ye looks fine

[gritty scaffold]

ive made a team for lgpe ou with clefable should i change somethin here https://pokepast.es/513417f11f94c4ef

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @cyan ether, @tropic harbor. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cyan ether]

this team looks like it's just 6 of the things i talked about yesterday slapped together without any thought about whether that would actually work

[gritty scaffold]

couldnt find anyone to test out

[peak canyon]

Doesn't yard get a free kill pretty much everytime it comes in especially one with overheat

[gritty scaffold]

Serp can slow it down

Although yea u are a bit weak to zard

[vast oracle]

Overheat zardy dont exist but yes, just the nature of BOs/offenses cause their bulky water always gets smoked by zardY

[flint ridge]

u jst need to keep up rocks

also most zardy teams hates volc too

[vast oracle]

You usually handle it by exerting enough offensive pressure that it cant freely attack and switch in, esp with rocks in the picture

[vast oracle]

And this too

Their volc answer tends to be taunt fini + heatran, so you can overpower the former with sun and use their misty terrain to block the latter’s toxic

Their defog fini also loses to your rocks ferro (though they usually pair it with defog kart too, so i guess this point is kinda moot, but you get the point)

[scenic breach]

anyone here?

https://pokepast.es/82888ba167e56594

RBY OU

[scenic breach]

@night bridge can you help

I’m new to this and tried making a team not in the sample teams

[night bridge]

Gengar gets explosion so you should run that over selfdestruct
your lax set is unusual but not inherently bad or anything, you might have an easier time with boom > rest since amnesia lax tends to operate as a breaker trying to get a 2-for-1 and die
thunder is an unmove for chansey, thunderbolt or sing is a better pick, i would recommend sing so you can still get sleep if gengar is forced out
all in all not a bad team at all, just some little things

[reef cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/51621c8b3c96ec0a

gen 7 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[reef cobalt]

made some changes to the team from before, and most importantly i replaced kartana with tornadus t, though im not sure if its a good change or if i should opt for something else entirely

i decided for z move tornadus t since i had a free slot, though if theres a better set or pokemon i can very well change it to that

[hearty juniper]

can i get help on my attempt to make a mega lopuny team?

https://pokepast.es/f8dfd07ab25ba229

[fresh seal]

I'm making a Pixelmon team but can anyone rate this team in the format of NatDex OU-Gen 8 (That's roughly where Pixelmon is at with the exception of some Hisiuan pokemon) ? It's a rain team I made. I am open to almost all switches recommended however I'd like for at least Urshifu-Rapid-Strike and/or Thundurus-Therian to remain. I'm new to Pokemon and battles so any advice or tips on how I should play this team more efficiently would be great.

Rain Team ;https://pokepast.es/85907270de131bd8

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast oracle]

just wondering, any reason you run torn-t over the standard kart or is it just replaced just for the sake of it? either way, only change is prob making bro max physdef cause it's your SD ground check & you have a chansey in the back, and run toxic over fisight on it for stuff like zardx, kyub, and physical koko

[vast oracle]

most mlop + kyub team tends to be BO with like fini + tran, but i guess a more balanced approach is fine cause mlop is still a good pick in those fatter teams.

• make kyuremb the physical zmove set instead; LO is better on more offensive teams with like koko, and esp cause you have no zmove user too atm. the huge physical nuke means you can also bust through bulky setup sweepers like CM reuni and clef, which are usually annoying for mlop fat teams to face if not running a heart swap mage (freeze shock/fusion bolt/ice beam/roost + icium z)
• big issue is you lack a ground type as your volt switch blocker atm. you can compress both mage + torn-t roles and run celesteela instead, which gives you your spdef steel and kart check all in one. also helps deal with msciz for kyub too, esp since you're no longer the specially based hp fire set.
• with 1 slot free now, a good ground here you can run is gliscor; gives you your defogger and uturn bot similar to what torn-t was, but also a heatran check too that would otherwise dissect your defensive core

[reef cobalt]

oh, its because i thought there were a lot of fighting weak pokemon in ky team, and because i thought tornadus would work better as a defogger, though if that isnt the case i could very well return to using kartana over tornadus

[vast oracle]

well slowbro--especially mega--kinda sits on like all fighting types (mmedi, mgall, mlop, hawlucha) already

i guess torn-t can somewhat cover for keldeo and bullet seed/pin missile mhera, which can break through bro and decimate the team

it's just that generally kart is used cause it's a better defogger against offensive grounds like non-superpower mpert, sd lando, and sd chomp, offensively checks mons like rain mana and mttar that otherwise destroys the team, and in general appreciates the pursuit + magnet pull support

i guess offensive torn-t can potentially work, especially cause you have mbro as a stopgap to the offensive grounds that attempts to rock on tornt. another insurance against kart doesnt hurt either, especially when running glisc + chansey + slowbro cores

[tribal smelt]

Mega Heracross

(This has no relevance in cg sm)

[vast oracle]

i guess torn-t can somewhat cover for keldeo and bullet seed/pin missile mhera, which can break through bro and decimate the team

pretty niche but still true i

guess

[tribal smelt]

I have been owned.

[vast oracle]

(no you're not)

[reef cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/498ab5893739b1a1
ok! ive replaced tornadus with kartana again, how does the team look now? i also wanted to ask if chansey is meant to be a lead for some games or if its meant to switch into special attacks and set up stealth rocks then
some general advice for usage on the pokemon in the team can help

[vast oracle]

looks fine since they're standard 6 after all

pretty much, you have a pretty strong defensive backbone to switch into stuff

trap the things for sd gliscor to win

honestly, i'd have another version with the torn-t too just so it's slightly unique but can still be viable

after all, it's something you come up yourself

cause it's not like running torn-t over kart is the 'wrong' thing to do

[reef cobalt]

ok! thanks so much!

[vast oracle]

np, sometimes slightly deviating from the standard (but not to the point of unviability) can caught your opponent off guard 😉

[reef cobalt]

alright! i just wanted to ask which pokemon in the team are generally good leads before i go and test the team out! i know that chansey switches into special attacks, but im not sure if it should be a lead because of stealth rocks

[vast oracle]

uh this type of question very much depends on the opposing team really. like you can lead chansey to set rocks, lead glisc to activate pheal early, lead torn-t cause you have high speed + uturn so even in bad matchups you can pivot out to your check, lead weavile to force knock early-game, etc

[reef cobalt]

ok! thank you!

[gritty scaffold]

Gen 7 ou should i change something here i tried to do a sand team with mega ttar https://pokepast.es/788eed499d2b0de0

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tawdry crane]

Trying Gen 7 OU https://pokepast.es/d89e363ce0c021b7

[tawdry crane]

Just switched out Water Shuriken for Scald for Gren, dunno if it's good

[fresh seal]

I'm making a Pixelmon team but can anyone rate this team in the format of Gen 8 OU (That's roughly where Pixelmon is at with the exception of some Hisiuan pokemon) ? It's a rain team I made. I am open to almost all switches recommended however I'd like for at least Urshifu-Rapid-Strike and/or Thundurus-Therian to remain. I'm new to Pokemon and battles so any advice or tips on how I should play this team more efficiently would be great.

Rain Team :https://pokepast.es/85907270de131bd8

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

that looks like an ss ou sample team

!sssamples

[karmic geyser]

SS Sample Teams:
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen8ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-sample-teams.3710892/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-uu-sample-teams-crown-tundra.3679621/
RU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ru-samples-submissions-open.3661013/
NU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-nu-sample-teams.3673598/
PU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-pu-sample-teams.3709244/
LC: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-lc-sample-teams.3661419/
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-sample-teams-submissions-closed.3664157/
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-monotype-sample-teams.3702647/
BDSP OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bdsp-ou-sample-teams.3693721/

[upper plume]

I guess you have thundy w/ wave to hit grasses so that's ok

torn's slot is pretty flexible

you may want a balance breaker in that last

[fresh seal]

What's that or examples of it?

I've only really played Loomian Legacy as my first competitive monster battling game. I'm trying to learn about all things competitive pokemon atm.

[upper plume]

Balance breakers are Pokemon that output so much sheer damage that they destroy defensive Pokemon that stand in the way of your rain sweepers

I guess Urshifu can do that but perhaps not CB

Since Pex uses it as free entry

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/992037f18b7e50b7 back again with another usum team

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak canyon]

What in the-

Why are there so many choice locked mons-

Also keep shuriken

Scald doesn't help

Give lele moonblast 😭

Why dazzling gleam?

Banded ttar? With rockium z lando?

Also why fire punch

U have magnezone

[ember hull]

double z moves?

also gastro doesnt fit here at all imo

also you dont really want to stack cc and dpunch on kommo-o

[peak canyon]

Wait I'll send a cleaner version

https://pokepast.es/12e4c5c3fef053aa @ember hull

[ember hull]

genuine question, what is ttar gonna trap

[peak canyon]

Lele

Lati

Zam too

Anything that can over power the team

With psyspam

[tawdry crane]

I had no idea what I was doing with this team honestly

[tawdry crane]

Also, do you know any good nicknames for Lele?

[peak canyon]

I usually name mine lilly pichu

[peak canyon]

Honestly if u wanna get started

In gen 7 ou

Use sample teams

!smsamples

[karmic geyser]

SM Sample Teams:
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ou
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7uu
RU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ru
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7pu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7lc
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen71v1
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7monotype
Let's Go OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lets-go-overused-discussion-resources.3667865/post-8552756

[tawdry crane]

Cute name

[peak canyon]

Thx

But I would again. Recommend

Not use that team

Start with samples

Know the meta

Then work ur way up

[tawdry crane]

Okay, you know any good nicknames for Tapu Fini and Landorus T?

[peak canyon]

My fini is usually called

Fontaine

And

Lando either muda or moose

[tawdry crane]

Okay, I'm gonna go with the sun offense first

[peak canyon]

Sure

[vivid kraken]

!sssamples

[karmic geyser]

SS Sample Teams:
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen8ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-sample-teams.3710892/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-uu-sample-teams-crown-tundra.3679621/
RU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ru-samples-submissions-open.3661013/
NU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-nu-sample-teams.3673598/
PU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-pu-sample-teams.3709244/
LC: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-lc-sample-teams.3661419/
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-sample-teams-submissions-closed.3664157/
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-monotype-sample-teams.3702647/
BDSP OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bdsp-ou-sample-teams.3693721/

[vivid kraken]

!orassamples

[karmic geyser]

ORAS Sample Teams:
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-sample-teams.3694551/
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6uu
RU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6ru
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6pu
ZU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6zu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6lc
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen6monotype
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen61v1

[vivid kraken]

can someone rate this

https://pokepast.es/6102317be8e24a10

[vast oracle]

• with kyurem sand, i think you go the balance route imo; go toxic spikes pex over fini
• torn-t over tang, gives you a uturn bot (brings kyurem in on mons like zapdos & rotomw), solid speed control outside of sand, and defogger too
• remove rock slide on exca; if you want to hit zapdos, run normal z + giga impact instead, which also hits rotomw. alternatively, you can keep steel z and run spin (double hazard removal on balance is always nice if you can afford it, especially on a kyurem team)
• fire punch over eq on mttar to pressure mons like celest & msciz better for exca + kyurem
• if you wanna keep tang, make it physdef helmet instead, and also make exca lefties + spin & kyurem z ice

[gritty scaffold]

Oo

tysm

[vast oracle]

team is filled with 6 offensive mons led me to believe this is an attempt at HO, but none of these mons actually fit the playstyle bar like scarf lele. the movesets are a bit iffy too, like no dpulse on agren, no rocks on z chomp, and dglem + psyshock scarf lele. i'd recommend either sticking to some of the offensive cores you got going on (ex. lele + gren, magnezone + breakers, sand, etc) and build offense/BO from there, or try out samples

[tawdry crane]

Will do that

[upper plume]

We have few oras raters atm

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[upper plume]

I'd recommend asking in the oras server

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/12e4c5c3fef053aa

Usum ou

[tropic schooner]

Id probably say spdef lefties tran, fly z lando, banded tar, defog fini over gastrodon

But @vast oracle probably would give better advice than me :P

[peak canyon]

Hm

Fly z lando for lucha yes I get

Spdf heatran I get too

What's band ttar for?

[tropic schooner]

You dont need av

You need breaking power

[peak canyon]

Av for zam?

!smsamples

[karmic geyser]

SM Sample Teams:
Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ubers
OU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ou
UU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7uu
RU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7ru
NU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7nu
PU: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7pu
LC: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7lc
1v1: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen71v1
Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen7monotype
Let's Go OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lets-go-overused-discussion-resources.3667865/post-8552756

[vast oracle]

medi + serp + pursuit trapper is a fine core, though ye you want the power of band tar to actually pursuit stuff like slowbro mlati reuni for them

though for a mmedi team, you sure lack the voltturn support

fini + lando + tran is okay, but i think you get more mileage out of lando + av mag + rotomw

personally i'd make that scarf serp too

[peak canyon]

Hmm so band tar and rotom wash instead of gastro?

[vast oracle]

magearna over heatran

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/349ecca1a5a23509

Like this?

Or do I need some ev changes

[vast oracle]

hp fire on serp over defog and max out the IVs too, twave/wisp over pain split on rotomw, and z fly over stone edge + helmet on lando

team is slow outside of serp, though with para support should be fine

[peak canyon]

Hm

Also can u tell me why scarf serp over regular

Oh wait

Forgot to change lando

https://pokepast.es/dad9ac2597138213

[vast oracle]

speed control mostly

nah you can keep defensive with uturn, but just run fly z

[peak canyon]

Oh

So the set is

Rocks

[vast oracle]

you can try subglare if you want and just rely on paras for speed control, i just personally still like having a scarfer as insurance

[peak canyon]

Fly

Eq

U turn

[peak canyon]

I'll keep the scarfer

[vast oracle]

yes on lando set, still the defensive one you had earlier, but just have fly z

[peak canyon]

Ok

[tawdry crane]

Would Z-Rock Chomp and Mega Zard Y be a good core?

[tawdry crane]

Is this a good gen 7 team? https://pokepast.es/89d12716f042ba9d

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak canyon]

Congrats on chatterbox fluxh

[vast oracle]

yeah this is unfortunately not great too. lead zam isn't really a thing, and zardy & chomp dont really fit on HO. zardy teams in general is pretty forced into these certain builds to make it shine (i.e. loves being paired with trappers [pursuit, fini, heatran], strong hazard removal, and potential sun abusers)

i guess you can try sd z chomp + zardy cause they sound fine on paper, but for sure not on HO like this

funnily enough, with minor set changes, protgren + mega alakazam + lando + kart can be a good offensive psyspam core

but at that point, you're dropping both zardy + chomp for lele and +1, which i presume defeats the whole purpose of the team lol

[vast oracle]

ty :>

[tawdry crane]

Damn, I thought I as cooking. But thanks for the advice

[vast oracle]

hey you kinda do at least

pretty similar :p

in general, if you want to run screens HO, light clay is the best item to run on the setter and the rest of the team is just a bunch of setup mons to make use of said screens

[tawdry crane]

Would SD lando be good for that?

[vast oracle]

sd lando on screens is usually the stealth rock setter

with explosion + sash/normal gem

[peak canyon]

Wait are gems still allowed?

[tawdry crane]

Well normal gem is the only one in gen 7 and it isn't broken I believe

[cobalt badge]

ik this is old gens ou but like.

i need a good ag team for gen 7

[peak canyon]

Uh

[cobalt badge]

wait no

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/6762ed8d46e1e7cd

[cobalt badge]

a national dex team for gen 1-8

[peak canyon]

Wut-

From 1 to 8 so u mean 8 teams

[cobalt badge]

thats also ag.

no like.

something that was made for national dex ag

that was made during gen 8

[peak canyon]

So gen 8 nat dex ag?

[cobalt badge]

yes

and this might be a little to much

but

no necrozma-dusk / dawn or arceus

please

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/05dffb8582ad9424

Here mate but I'm not too sure if all this is allowed in team rating so make sure to use the appropriate channel next time

[cobalt badge]

aight thanks.

i just couldnt really find a correct channel for this except for a dead one.

[tawdry crane]

Is this gen 5 sand team good? https://pokepast.es/98d0aa100a112786

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

The mons look fine but the sets need tweaking

Wait this team gets destroyed by SD Zor

Ok so first Tyranitar needs to be a bulky Pursuit trapper

The set is on Smogon

Otherwise it'll just get destroyed by focus blast

Next Drill should have Leftovers and Rapid Spin > Brick Break

Quiet Heatran is unviable

[tawdry crane]

What about modest with protect instead of explosion?

[short hedge]

I'd go Chople Berry or Passho Berry on Tyranitar

Maybe add some Sp.Def EVs

What Grabby said

[short hedge]

helps a bit

SpDef Rachi might slot better than Heatran to be honest

[tawdry crane]

Was thinking about switching drill with Terrakion, is that a good idea?

[short hedge]

nope

spinner is needed

you can terrakion > chomp

[tawdry crane]

Should I max Spdef for Ttar?

Here is the team now, how is it? https://pokepast.es/803c6c6f7b261b5f

[upper plume]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/tyranitar/

Also

Aqua is only run on Chomp under Rain

[tawdry crane]

What should I have for it's last move?

[upper plume]

Sub or Stone Edge

Actually Dual Chop instead of SE

If running Sub then give it a Salac Berry

Also

Balloon Tran should be offensive (aka fast)

[tawdry crane]

Should I max it's speed?

[upper plume]

Give it max Speed and EP + HP Ice > Flash Cannon + Protect

Idk if it's just me

But I feel like Scarf Garchomp would work better for this team

[tawdry crane]

Trying out the team with SD chomp with Se so we'll if it works out

[upper plume]

Go Chop > Edge

You don't hit Skarmory significantly enough for it to matter

And all it can do is phase you out as it eats a free Outrage

[tawdry crane]

Okay this is what the team looks like now, thoughts? https://pokepast.es/aa148ea281688270

[upper plume]

Looks fine

[tawdry crane]

yay :D

[upper plume]

Ig the main concern is Cloyster

[tawdry crane]

How is this Dragmag team (last team for today lol) https://pokepast.es/4c8b9798971494e0

[upper plume]

Looks like a mostly standard team

I dislike DragMag teams that just fold to Mamoswine

[short hedge]

looks good

[upper plume]

You don't need Naive on KB

Nor do you need Max Speed

Wait Naive is + Speed

[short hedge]

iron head on jirachi

[upper plume]

Go Adamant on Kyurem

[short hedge]

prob over icy wind

[upper plume]

And Max Speed on Nite

Icy wind is to trap Drill

[short hedge]

^

Fire Fang on Garchomp > Dual Chop

[upper plume]

Yeah go Max Speed and EQ/Fire Punch/Superpower > Roost on Nite

You don't need Fire Fang on Chomp

You have Magnezone

[short hedge]

in case zone dies?

and plan fails?

but anyway

go chople > air balloon imo on zone

i dont think air balloon is needed

[upper plume]

You're not throwing out Zone into attacks

Yeah Chople > Balloon

You could also go Starmie over one of the Dragons

So that you don't fold outright to Mamoswine

[tawdry crane]

Maybe replace dragonite with starmie?

[upper plume]

Sure

[short hedge]

Nah

I wouldn't replace Dragonite

you can just try to run Jirachi faster then Mamo

[upper plume]

I guess?

Idk

When mamo comes in, it takes a KO

Mie also helps vs Keldeo

[short hedge]

Keldeo isn't problematic to the team?

Also Mamo is one threat

The team as currently made could get by beating Mamo

anyway im not going to debate @tawdry crane team looks good

[peak canyon]

Do ya think u can pass me medivile and empos team pls

I wanna try

[leaden fiber]

should just be

standard medi, cb vile, sd rock chomp (z?), berry rotom, av mage, standard torn

uhh re the oras team earlier u need smt for elecs: spdef clef is easiest way to fix

bc physdef clef is eh when u have slowbro skarm

and keld

[tropic schooner]

This has been passed in compgen dw

[leaden fiber]

Oh

Ok

Was I right

[tropic schooner]

Idr the chomp team

[leaden fiber]

welp

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/cffa78bf6b7be110 is this good

[leaden fiber]

keldeo unfortunately is not a good pokemon

[peak canyon]

Uh

Wdym by that

[tribal smelt]

Gives room to Pex and gets bullied by psyspam

[peak canyon]

I added it to the team cuz it can sponge hits from gren

[leaden fiber]

u have spd ferro

ur ok

[peak canyon]

And its a strong special attacker cuz my team was looking pretty physical

I really didn't know what else to add

U got any replacements?

[leaden fiber]

keldeo is dead weight into a bunch of team comps / individual mons

better to just

add like a real kart check or smt

torn, lando, maw

also i dont like that maw set

bc unboosted sucker is weaksauce

[peak canyon]

Torn sounds good

Lando sounds like just feeding weavile

I have maw

[peak canyon]

Well it's for actually beating Ferro and opposing mawhile and such

While also hitting pex

And celes

[leaden fiber]

u can run

umm

Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 88 HP / 252 Atk / 168 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Play Rough
• Ice Punch
• Thunder Punch
• Fire Fang

cuz ur actually mostly covered for all of the main sucker matchups

[peak canyon]

Hm but wouldn't I miss priority on low hp mons

[leaden fiber]

yea but ice is more useful

the downside to removing keld makes u weak to glisc

so should be helpful

[peak canyon]

I see

[rose snow]

https://pokepast.es/9ff37d9119e26d63 gen 7 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast oracle]

• rocks over drain on kommoo so you can afford earth power on heatran; aside from hitting opposing heatran, you can trap and beat pex easier, which opens up both weavile & kommoo
• minor but hasty over naive on kommoo, lets you soft check stuff like volc zardy heatran and agren
• run wisp/twave over painsplit on rotomw; status-less rotomw is so easy to be taken advantage of
  i personally dont think you need double defog here but i guess it's fine

[rose snow]

ty

[cobalt badge]

anyone got a gen 8 national dex ag without arceus or necrozma -dusk /dawn (very specific)

[rose snow]

https://pokepast.es/425f6e632ceccc76 gen 7 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

whats the point

lik

y r u double baiting pex

[rose snow]

im not sure what else is baiting pex other then gren

[leaden fiber]

fini

[rose snow]

with natures madness?

[leaden fiber]

yea

thats the set it runs to

bait pex

[rose snow]

oh ok

[leaden fiber]

but u have psyspam + two pex bait

its not necessary

something like scarf kartana run through this entire team

[rose snow]

bros right

[leaden fiber]

if u want psyspam the standard is honestly

very solid

[rose snow]

hm

[leaden fiber]

oops

https://pokepast.es/9605024b6649ff27

[peak canyon]

That's explosion for

Isn't fluer cannon stab sorta necessary

[leaden fiber]

rona

u dont need fleur

necessarily

also technically u can catch chansey on a greedy status

or toss

[hearty geyser]

https://pokepast.es/3b700548da1debcd

hlap pls

gen 8 btw

[leaden fiber]

@tropic schooner

[flint ridge]

corv looks weird there

[leaden fiber]

get to work little one

[hearty geyser]

defogger

[peak canyon]

It koes volcarona?

[peak canyon]

Doesn't this just get 6-0d by scarf kart

[leaden fiber]

Yes i said that

[leaden fiber]

after rock

and/or puts it in range of lando eq

0 Atk Magearna Explosion vs. 248 HP / 112 Def Volcarona: 209-246 (56 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[peak canyon]

Oh

[leaden fiber]

so

good enough basically

[peak canyon]

Yuh works

I'll use it if u don't mind

[leaden fiber]

It's a sample

I had no part in building that

[rose snow]

https://pokepast.es/050f1ca0f7aebde6 gen 7 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[keen oar]

https://pokepast.es/b2af4dc8ffd340b4 gen 7 ou, pinsir team

[vast oracle]

ground where

i think you can compress both hoopau + z gren to standard specs agren here (you dont need ground z set here either cause both zardx & lele handles mage & pex)

free slot lets you run either SD lando or chomp, and can make them the stealth rock setter too; lets you run spikes on ferro over rocks and uturn on gren over spikes--which helps support your zardx + lele, bringing the former on mage, ferro, & bulu and the latter on pex

(if you still want to run spikes on gren and rocks on ferro, you can use sub on the garchomp or sub/uturn on the sd landot instead)

[vast oracle]

who invited my man mimikyu to the team

[leaden fiber]

hi royal

[vast oracle]

looks fine, though mimikyu is pretty unviable-- i'd rather make it a proper steel like hwish jirachi or av mage

no scarfer is blehh but between double prio should be okay

if you want to make the team more offensive scarf kart looks good too, potentially gives double defog for mpinsir

[vast oracle]

hi :>

[keen oar]

I put mimikyu because it was the most used pokemon of a pinsir team according to pikalytics

here

[lusty finch]

How can I improve this gen 7 team?
https://pokepast.es/8861e1620857647d

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

Those are some weird sets for kartana serperior torn and gren

That kart set is usually used with zardy with grassium z

And well

U dont have either

Dig gren only works with z move

You currently have no speed control

[vast oracle]

ohh i think that's cause people are still running that very old birdspam ho on the ladder

with dd dnite + scarf exca

[tropic schooner]

Kartana should be scarf set, remove serperior for ferrothorn, make tornadus standard defensive, defog fini instead of gren

Oh hi royal

[vast oracle]

mimikyu is pretty unviable and there's no reason to run it in general

it doesnt really have any synergy with mpinsir either

hi glimmer

[tropic schooner]

Btw that birdspam ho lowkey goes hard with ttar

Tar exca flynite mpins kart +1 is something i ran

[vast oracle]

i guess that's birdspam sand then, not really ho?

[tropic schooner]

It kinda still is ho

But yeah

[vast oracle]

looks cool, esp cause that sand core usually ends up being balance

[tropic schooner]

Yeah cuz usually ppl like sticking fini ferro last

[lusty finch]

Thanks

[peak canyon]

Can anyone breef me on what is bird spam and why was it so good? Imo flying types have alot of weaknesses and are also pretty hurt from stealth rocks especially in sm ou

[flint ridge]

idt it’s good

birdspam is basically 2-3 flying mons stacked together

[wraith mulch]

x spam is when you have 2-3 (or more but its usually not recommended) of the same types that usually share checks

think rain, which has mana/agren/mpert all trying to break ferro

(i mean rain also has rain but its just an example)

[vast oracle]

this discussion is better on compgen instead of rmt--but to explain it further, feel free to read this instead https://www.smogon.com/articles/type-spam-sm-ou

[oak steeple]

So im playing this game called pokemmo and this is my pvp team there as they are mostly bw meta

I was told that volcarona might be my only problem so i might make my mienshao hasty(not my current which is naive) and let it wear a assault vest to counter it

Is hasty nature viable on mienshao or will it die from smth like an adamant scizor bullet punch?

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/17bc647f760fe7c8 I love this meta yet I probably sucka building it DPPOU

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

yh no

[peak canyon]

What

[leaden fiber]

this wont work

u cant play dpp without hazard first of all

ill let andviet handle but

just quick notes ur offense isnt put tgt well (ie ull fail to break hippo clef water) and ur defensive backbone is kind of nonexist also ( u have no spore switch and zor isnt a real dragon switch)

[peak canyon]

I said I can't build

[short hedge]

tbh

not a bad team from the start

like the core is good

@peak canyon

okay

[short hedge]

first, lead with infernape

[short hedge]

gen 4 your first mon you lead with. next go with this set

Infernape @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
Naive Nature

• Overheat
• Close Combat
• Stealth Rock
• Grass Knot / Mach Punch / Vacuum Wave

You don't have a SR setter, this is a very cool and workable set to lead with. doesn't lose often

rapid spin > recovery on starmie

I'd consider HP Ice on Rotom > Trick so you can hit dragonite hard and so it doesn't become a threat to your team

Leftovers on Machamp, Substitute > Bullet Punch, I'd also go EVs: 128 HP / 252 Atk / 128 Spe and Stone Edge > Ice Punch

Choice Specs on Latias tbh

You can implement Trick over HP Fire but whatever you prefer

also you can try sleep talk over one of the moveslots for latias as zerkas recommended for spore switchins

[peak canyon]

@short hedge like this https://pokepast.es/16984f8d03cbc57f

Ignore that good on nape I'll fix thay

*goof

[short hedge]

whats gk for

ttar?

surf will do enough tbh

so id go sleep talk

also you didn't follow all my suggestions so read through what i said lol

if u dont want to follow it, its fine ultimately its your choice

[peak canyon]

What are you talking about...

[upper plume]

machamp's evs

[peak canyon]

Litteraly the only 2 things I missed were machamps evs and stine edge

I read everything else

NEVERMIND

I CANT READ

I DIDNT SEE THE ALL

[rose snow]

https://pokepast.es/e4a17f675c01eed1 gen 7 ou

[vast oracle]

ground where

rocks lando + defog rotmw over heatran + zapdos imo

even with psychic terrain, i still think you want to run prio on both mmedi and weav

lets you pick off stuff like tapu koko, scarf lando, torn-t, hawlucha, etc

especially cause tpunch mmedi is weak and is only relevant on koko builds

can run nature's madness over fblast on lele too (force an incoming wall to recover = easy switch to mmedi)

[kind shadow]

https://pokepast.es/1732808aba44303d this any good?

[leaden fiber]

@night bridge

[night bridge]

It’s a victreebel team, there’s not much to say about it other than “yeah it’s fine but vic is inconsistent”

[rocky mountain]

out of curiosity

if you do the like adv challenge on showdown where u use like 3 uu

to get the achievement

how do you prove it

do you gotta record all of the games or like

anyone know?

[mellow vector]

@leaden fiber did one of the challenges

[leaden fiber]

replay of last game where it shows u reaching x elo

they’re not super strict

[vale lagoon]

Heya! I know I got a good recommendation on a team a while ago, but I recently have been having a lot of fun with this offensive team I made. I'm enjoying the mons on the team, but I was wondering if there were any moveset/item/stat changes I could make to improve the team. (Gen7OU)

https://pokepast.es/9b23e3632b6ccff8

I was also wondering about whether I should have Garchomp on my team, and if a Pokemon like Kommo-O would be a better dragon type

[leaden fiber]

i cant say im a huge fan of mchomp

[vale lagoon]

Yeah I was kinda doubting the mchomp

It can deal some great damage and is a good stealth rock setter, but I have Greninja for spikes already and mchomp loses to a lot of my Landorus-T checks as well

[leaden fiber]

im also doubting gren

[vale lagoon]

Greninja?

[leaden fiber]

yeah

let me explain this

[vale lagoon]

It seemed fine to me, since hydro pump and dark pulse help deal a lot ofdamage

[vale lagoon]

alrighty

[leaden fiber]

specs gren on non rain offense is

not great

spikes is great but the mon ends up being a momentum sink and shuriken is only viable at rking things if ur in ashgren form

which you rarely gert

[vale lagoon]

yeah

[leaden fiber]

spike into pex is fine, but spike into mage or ferro usually ends up being problematic

[vale lagoon]

yeah I haven't actually found a lot of use for spikes, which is an issue

[leaden fiber]

so i think it's easy to just change gren to

protean spikes

[vale lagoon]

Oh okay

I'm so glad

I actually built the team with Greninja in mind

So I didn't want to replace him

[leaden fiber]

bc it's much better as a breaker without restricting yourself to

choice lock

and trying to get the ash

every game

its very restricting

u can try something like

gunk hp fire ice spike or whatever the case is

[vale lagoon]

alright

could low kick work too, or should I go HP fire instead?

I tried low kick last time and it seemed to work well

[leaden fiber]

ye lkick is good too

protgren is super customizable

[vale lagoon]

alrighty

[leaden fiber]

if u want a fairyspam kind of similar to the one we have here

https://pokepast.es/90d25550b3b0510f

this is somewhat similar

[vale lagoon]

alrighty

thanks!

Last question, thoughts on Kommo-O?

[leaden fiber]

depends on set, decent on offense

i dont like the special z too much

its very obvious

spdef rocks is kind of cool but somewhat slower

other sets like drum and clangrous soul + komo z are good too

@tropic schooner is a big fan of the spdef rocks

[gritty scaffold]

Ive tried to do a mega altaria team on Oras should i change somethin here? https://pokepast.es/ca04640fb937f437

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

Alrighty

I'll definitely experiment with Kommo-O and Mega-Mawile as replacements for Garchomp

Thanks for the help!

[leaden fiber]

Np

[upper plume]

!directory

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[upper plume]

Don't have many Oras raters

[gritty scaffold]

oh wp alr then

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/3931543c64a2fa80 sm ou mimikyu based team

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast oracle]

aside from the fact that mimikyu is generally unviable, webs as an archetype is very niche, and 4 of these mons dont fit at all

nothing really punishes defog either, so shuckle's hazards gets removed quite easily

[peak canyon]

I was thinking of adding in bisharp

[vast oracle]

i'd scrap the team and replace zardy + zone + zap + agren with actual web abusers if you want to make a webs HO team

[peak canyon]

I thought mimikyu with webs would be good since it outspeeds mons that it would usually lose to like medicham or garchomp

[vast oracle]

ye but then you're running an unviable mon on an already niche archetype

but i guess it's fine if thats what the team is about

[peak canyon]

Oh can u give me examples of actually web abusers that pair well with mimikyu

[vast oracle]

though biggest issue is ironically not the mimikyu, but the other 4

[peak canyon]

Oh

Tbh I read the Smogon thingy and added them 😭

For mimikyu

I don't know how to build around this Mon but I got to use it in battle factory and +2 ghostium z actually koed pex

Which was surprising so I wanted to build a team around it

Zone was to trap steel types

Zap was for kartana

Yard was really random idk why I added it

And agren just cuz it's a low ladder WinCon and is pretty much unstoppable for low ladder

[peak canyon]

So what are obvious

Changes

[vast oracle]

like i said, replace the 4 mons with other setup sweepers or wallbreakers that benefit webs

[leaden fiber]

(webs isnt amazing js)

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/45051e52f6b7ee98 how does this look @vast oracle i took some inspiration from normal web ho teams

[pine root]

Trying Gen 3 Balance

https://pokepast.es/387eaad60daead80

[upper plume]

I'll send it again so the bot picks it up
ADV OU https://pokepast.es/387eaad60daead80

nvm it looks like the bot's not pinging?

wonder why that is

[leaden fiber]

roar > ww skarm, u cant run that zap set without a spinblocker

just run offensive

[pine root]

i keep facing focus punch everything

i kinda want the longevity

[leaden fiber]

on zap?

i meant offensive zap

[pine root]

ye on zap

k ill change it

[vast oracle]

looks better

though defensive lando dont make sense, i'd rather change that to lead exca for spin. stops lele from clicking moonblast 6 times too

i'd make lele to thundy-t imo, better webs abuser and gives you the adeuquate defensive utility you want from the zapdos you had earlier. the NP z-fight set works

with thundy-t as the z user, run LO or red card on mimikyu instead

team would be a lot better if mimikyu was magearna (or even blaceph) but it's fine i guess

optional but i personally like taunt on mgyara in webs more, though sub is still alright

[peak canyon]

Oki

[peak canyon]

lead exca? but wont i be leading ribombee

are u sure about double sash

[vast oracle]

ye cause you're running ribombee webs

you still need the stealth rock lead

[peak canyon]

oki

https://pokepast.es/f51aabc46591ca75 this works? sad how thund dont got any flying stab

[tropic schooner]

focus blast as last move

[vast oracle]

also it's lead exca, so you want sash over lefties and rock tomb/toxic over iron head. and fix all your IVs and EVs (serp's IV, extra 4 evs on mimikyu, etc)

imagine losing the speed tie on opposing serp

[wraith mulch]

hp fire serp

[kind shadow]

https://pokepast.es/e095316928220355

This any good?

[kind shadow]

Actually made some changes

https://pokepast.es/b602561685074b6d

New team

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/635a1b4da147e4e4

(SM OU btw)

[vast oracle]

6 is fine, but thundy-t is often utility here with like rocky helmet + twave

if you still want offensive NP, you can go magnet or LO instead

defog over smart strike on kart (emergency removal on volc + kb team is always nice)

as i said, lead mdia is generally sub+endeavor nowadays; just something to consider, but can keep 3a

[leaden fiber]

imo subend mdia here, yuh, i would also say consider non specs on lele (cm twisted spoon for ex) so that u dont waste momentum

[vast oracle]

i like specs lele cause you 2hko chansey for volc but ye cmspoon is fine too

[peak canyon]

What about defog over knock off because I i feel like u need something to hit clef hard

Or fairy types in general

[vast oracle]

you generally cant afford to drop lead blade + sacred + knock on scarf kart, so smart strike is the most droppable move

you have enough offensive pressure between lele + z kb that defensive fairies wont do anything anyways

[runic rain]

https://pokepast.es/f895ff2342cfa5b6

got placed 69 in gen 8 ou with this

[keen oar]

https://pokepast.es/839eb6e1a2fd32c4 gen 7 ou, I am using Primarina to outspeed mega charizard x, Garchomp, Dragonite and more.

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fallow grail]

Hey guys,
I just wanted to ask for some Feedback on an adv team. Thx a lot in advance! 🙂
https://pokepast.es/a7572419f7d8c437

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[keen oar]

In this team, I'm struggling on toxapex, kartana and many more hyper offense mons,

[vast oracle]

unfortunately, all of staraptor, mscept, primarina, and scizor are unviable in sm ou -- trying to fix it would require changing a big portion of the team, so i'd recommend building from scratch (can start with the agren + z chomp) with the help of resources (vr, role compendium, smogdex analyses, etc) and overall experience

[leaden fiber]

hi, structure generally looks fine, i'm just going to change some of the sets

first, tauntskarm isn't necessary here (you generally only use it on builds weak to spike, and you have dol to spin) so I'm going to say go roar > whirlwind and drill peck > taunt

drillpeck means ur less weak to hera (gengar isnt a hera counter)

i don't like monopert on this team bc it's too slow and lets in skarm for free (also doesn't beat meta) so i think u can try offensive refpert to deal with tox bliss while still having offensive pressure

hydro/surf ice eq refresh

other then that i think its ok

[fallow grail]

Thank you sir!

[leaden fiber]

@onyx harness u can put ur team here

[onyx harness]

https://pokepast.es/1d99591a458940a0
team gen 8 ou

what do you think of this team and what changes would you make

[leaden fiber]

@hasty ingot @orchid tiger @rugged hinge

[tropic schooner]

I would probably go banded ttar with crunch stone edge heavy slam ice punch, colbur berry slowbro with body press over scald, u turn over calm mind on tapu koko, leftovers is the better item on mixdef corv

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/c92bded58b66585c sm ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle, @leaden fiber. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

whats ur rationale behind this team ?

bc immediately im just seeing u lose to gliscor

[torpid stratus]

https://pokepast.es/d7e3e9b506e30966 ss ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[torpid stratus]

this is my first real team, I appreciate any criticism and advice

[potent palm]

https://pokepast.es/0bec6acfae3ae948 Oras can anyone help me with what I fix or remove

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

We don't have oras raters atm unfortunately

[karmic geyser]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[upper plume]

I'd go to the oras server to get help

[azure torrent]

Rn too much of your team is hard walled by tran

You need to make your own EP

or have superpower on scizor, which seems worse than uturn otherwise, so tran fix is easiest

Rest is mostly fine. Maybe a tad soft into dark types, but outplayable

( @potent palm ^ )

[azure torrent]

I’d make Pex payapa Berry to ease Lele matchup a bit as rn corv is your psychic fairy swap and it’s PDef, can ease a lot of prediction with choices sets

I also implore you to make chomp lefties or even Lum/Yache

LO puts your own sweep on a timer and that’s a huge hindrance

You’d rather have extra turns and forces switches while SR is up and so on

Otherwise solid squad

[hazy grotto]

wow it’s finch

[peak canyon]

Sandstorm Team, Gen 6 OU.
I did fast, maybe have a lot of things to rework

https://pokepast.es/a965c2a525049ba7

Now i perceived the spamming of choice itens

[upper plume]

Ur running a Sandstorm team and not running the one reason to run Sand

[leaden fiber]

this won't work yeah

the average sand build looks more like this https://pokepast.es/203b163dc5b06112

[peak canyon]

Tyranitar, Stoutland and Magneton
went well, but the rest I found a little irrelevant, they didn't resist much and didn't add much, I'm going to change them and get inspired by your suggestive team, thanks for the feedback

[tropic schooner]

Isnt there also a reuni keldeo variant of this

[vale lagoon]

Heya! So I was trying to make a good team that centered around Ash-Greninja. I have a core of 3 Pokemon in so far (Ash-Gren, M-Medicham and Pelliper) and was looking for some Pokemon that could work on this team as well.

https://pokepast.es/5a06ccc32a5ba5a3

Thank you in advance!

[leaden fiber]

sm ou?

uh

rain is pretty much solved

mmedi gren offense could work but u wouldnt have a pelipper there

[vale lagoon]

My bad, yeah sm OU

Pelipper wouldn't work well on this team?

[leaden fiber]

gren pelipper rain is fine

mmedi rain isnt

[vale lagoon]

ahh okay

Should I opt for Lopunny instead?

[leaden fiber]

so ur really picking between an offense structure w medi + gren or a structure w peli + gren + more rain abusers

Na

Rain is solved

by that i mean

there's one optimal rain build with minor modifications that can be made

and there's really no use deviating from that

bc its just good & proven

[vale lagoon]

alrighty

I could throw in Swampert then

[leaden fiber]

rain would be pelipper specs gren mpert waterium z manaphy av mage/ferrothorn and last is lando iirc

Or maybe not

i forgot

[vale lagoon]

alrighty

what's AV Mage btw?

[leaden fiber]

assault vest magearna

[vale lagoon]

It's Alakazam right?

Ahh okay

[leaden fiber]

lemme see if i can find u the team

[vale lagoon]

alrighty

[leaden fiber]

if u wanted to go the medi gren route

https://pokepast.es/bbaf22c6394fe475

@vale lagoon https://pokepast.es/8bcf813b2a5fa803 here's the rain

[vale lagoon]

alrighty

thanks!

[leaden fiber]

sure

[vale lagoon]

btw, could life orb work over choice specs for Ash-Gren?

[leaden fiber]

Ya, not ideal but u could make it work

[vale lagoon]

I feel like choice specs kinda limits my options, but it does boost my power by a lot

[vale lagoon]

alrighty

[wraith mulch]

https://pokepast.es/602e27f80dcd04f9 sm