well yeah, ik Chomp is one of the better Heatran checks, I was always just under the impression SD didn't stick around long enough to really do it efficiently.
#Old Gens OU
warped venture
prisma heron
https://pokepast.es/21dae3f8c5cfd742
@vast oracle you helped me with team few days ago. This is an amazing a fun team that I am piloting on ladder. I just had 1 observation - I think Ferro can PDef here coz we already have Fini for Ash-Gren, PDef on Ferro also helps more with MPert on Rain
Although SpDef Ferro makes my CM M Latias MU better
vast oracle
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<@137680963944579072> you helped me with te...
spdef ferro was mostly for stuff like lele and mzam, especially cause heatran is offensive
though you can certainly try physdef
can drop more speed on fini for phys bulk too, like just enough speed for modest zone
to slightly help the rain matchup
prisma heron
Sure
Thanks
I also found that Pelipper gets lured by Tran
and killed with Grass Z
That's another way of mitigating rain
Also Water Shuriken from Ash-Gren
prisma heron
tribal smelt
SS OU - https://pokepast.es/0015dc3c52aa29fe
This is one clean ho ngl
Does feel like the defiant is flavour between Gdos and Bish
Otherwise good
Ah nvm, team needs a knocker
prisma heron
Otherwise good
Bisharp also secures the stall MU as they rely a lot on Unaware Clef to beat HO
tribal smelt
I would still be a little pressed and dicy into Gastrodon Corv Unaware as the lineup just since they do like to stay in and fish for BP chip/kills and Buzzwole stalls (while rare) are usually pretty equipped to deal with Lucha HO
But if you do recognize how they're playing not to lose it is pretty beatable, and Bisharp helps to scare out their Corv Pex Clef
prisma heron
I would still be a little pressed and dicy into Gastrodon Corv Unaware as the li...
I was looking at Ox Stall more which Bisharp wrecks
Yeah Buzzwole stall gonna be a problem
tribal smelt
Well into Ox you feast without thinking lol
I do think that stall team is also pretty just... Bad, people are running even more modernized variants to deal with the issues of stall
2bird was the one I saw SoulWind run (Zapdos Corv pinks Gastro Pex) and that one does actually like to fight HO
And Buzzwole stall is sort of forgotten but can check a lot of the "usual" mu fishes
Otherwise this is pretty sound for the rest of SS
Can't have the whole cake with HO but this one is solid, going mono rocks for Lucha is probably the most consistent play possible since it means you don't feel like you have to ever try too hard for fancy setup
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prisma heron
Tbh
M Audino is objectively the worst Mega
Just use Clef instead
Also idt Arcanine and Jellicent are viable in SM OU
peak canyon
I know m audino is bad but I wanted to build a team around it for a while now and it's doing ok but I wanted to know if there could be improvements to the team
vast oracle
I’m all for building around niche mons and trying to make work but maudino (and arcanine & jelli) is sadly unviable in sm ou :c
peak canyon
Also idt Arcanine and Jellicent are viable in SM OU
I really don't know tbh I was looking for a physdef fire type for the team and Im using jellicent as mainly just a filler Ig
peak canyon
I’m all for building around niche mons and trying to make work but maudino (and ...
Yuh I get it sadly
The most I went with them is like 1440 I think
With that team I mean
vast oracle
Cause clef does the same thing and is 100% the better mon
peak canyon
But is there anything I can do to just make it more solid all around just like any glaring weaknesses?
peak canyon
Cause clef does the same thing and is 100% the better mon
Yes it sure is
I just really liked the design and had an old oras format of an m audino team I used to use so I tried to revamp it for sm ou
I really wanna learn teambuilding like how the pros do it and be able to build around any Mon at some point
vast oracle
I just really liked the design and had an old oras format of an m audino team I ...
Was the plan to build a fat team (which i feel like feels better with the direction the team is going) or more BO?
peak canyon
Was the plan to build a fat team (which i feel like feels better with the direct...
Fat
Like almost semi stall u could say
vast oracle
I think another thing too is the fact that you cant run other megas like latias and scizor but it’s fine
peak canyon
Yeah it's a setback
vast oracle
Oof i feel like trying to optimize this means i’ll replace like 4 mons😭
peak canyon
Does rotom wash hurt my team?
vast oracle
If you’re going fat i think slowbro or pex is the better bulky water
peak canyon
Oof i feel like trying to optimize this means i’ll replace like 4 mons😭
Give it a shout maybe it just might work
I wanna cross 1500s with this
vast oracle
I think if we wanna make maudino truly work, team kinda has to support it very well, which your team currently lack
peak canyon
Mhm
I was kinda going for audino supporting my other teamates with wish passes ig but I think ur right
vast oracle
I assume it’s your wincon cause cm, if you want fullon support then aroma/heal bell is prob better
peak canyon
Oh
Yes
That does make sense
But ig I'll run this set for now and hear ur suggestions on replacements
vast oracle
Outside atm and i hate typing a lot of words from phone, will do it when i get back home
peak canyon
Sureeee
tribal smelt
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tribal smelt
Basic thought process is this: No super good sleep responses in SS.
Therefore:
Lead and sleep, rocks, SD.
orchid tiger
why isnt this scale shot chomp
hasty ingot
Why is it SD crash
Tbh if you want a sleeper I much prefer sleep powder Tangrowth in SS OU
Cause that can at least check Melmetal
Plus knock off is always nice
tribal smelt
why isnt this scale shot chomp
I am a Salty Noob and never actually build 2x SD
So it should be scale
tribal smelt
Why is it SD crash
Same logic as above statement
I think I also put that there since I got actually mad over a triple axel miss
on ladder
tribal smelt
Tbh if you want a sleeper I much prefer sleep powder Tangrowth in SS OU
True
Plus means Ferro feels awkward
Well. More so, Focus Blast + Knock off means it feels dicy
I have a whole tran but making sure spikes never go up helps here
hasty ingot
I like knock giga focus blast sleep on tang yeah
tribal smelt
Actually with Tang could I not do something ugly like Clef rocks to give Tran tect
hasty ingot
I think rocks should stay on tran
I don't think you super need protect here, taunt could be worth
Cm flame clef could also be nice here
tribal smelt
Hmm
Actually quite like that
I'll toss that together with the changes listed here on a Tangrowth variant
What are the EVs again on CM
hasty ingot
Just max def is fine
solid cradle
I think another thing too is the fact that you cant run other megas like latias ...
it’s the mcamerupt problem
reef cobalt
https://pokepast.es/cb34b168e02d075f gen 7 ou team, this time i tried a kartana team without rain, though im really unsure on how good the team members are, and im willing to swap any pokemon other than kartana
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hazy grotto
https://pokepast.es/69112ff7b43b8222 @vast oracle
I originally had AV mag
But switched to heart swap
For CM users
(CM Lele)
Tbh I don’t think cm Lele is a big deal actually
Since I can revenge kill
I might use protean Gren tho
Cuz the water shuriken and terrain don’t really go along
Or maybe just replace Gren
peak canyon
https://pokepast.es/cb34b168e02d075f gen 7 ou team, this time i tried a kartana ...
Idk how I feel about grassy seed Hawlucha. Maybe u could run something like m Charizard mega x instead of it I feel like that works a bit better
And what's with the sash gren?
Don't u need a defogger or at the very least a t spike absorber
Then again I'm not as good as the actual helpers so u can wait for them to come up
vast oracle
https://pokepast.es/cb34b168e02d075f gen 7 ou team, this time i tried a kartana ...
been a long time since i've seen grassspam HOs cause they tend to be BOs/offenses but i think we can make work
make lando the sash lead instead and remove greninja altogether, cause technically you dont benefit from spikes or tspikes too much since grasspam's checks tend to be flyers (see: tornt, zapdos, mlati, celes, skarm)
This give you a free slot for something like scarf victini; very good for HO structures to trade 5v5 with final gambit (especially cause you lure stuff like mlati for grassspam or pex for lucha), provides proper speed control, soft check mons like zardy and volc, another way to pressure steel-types, and--if it's not used to gambit early--provides pivoting by inviting in bulky waters like slowbro and rotomw for grassspam.
peak canyon
This give you a free slot for something like scarf victini; very good for HO str...
Woah
vast oracle
Also minor change is to run stone edge on lucha over roost to snipe zapdos for grassspam. also some fixes; run jolly on kart and spdef evs on bulu over speed
vast oracle
https://pokepast.es/69112ff7b43b8222 <@137680963944579072>
ye you also have enough offensive pressure against common cm-ers (i.e. mlati, clef, reuni) with band kart + agren that you dont need to run heart swap. AV is certainly better here, which is generally the case on offense (heart swap mag fits more on fatter structures imo)
big thing is lack of ground honestly, specs koko just volts around
peak canyon
https://pokepast.es/d95f839d0c3aecf0 sm ou. I'm sorry for always building around bad mons 😭 but I think this is workable
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peak canyon
Also the audino changes helped so thanks for that too
vast oracle
oh didnt know you still wanted the maudino team rated, cause i looked back and it has been deleted
peak canyon
Nah it's fine I just don't keep my teams here for long cuz ehm some of them I see next time on ladder and being used ;-;
So after the suggestions I just delete
My bulu team got sniped and was used against me fr and it ticked me off
vast oracle
i havent actually rated the team so was just confused, i just assumed you dont want it rated anymore
peak canyon
Nah it's fine I'll probably scratch m audino entirely if the new support set doesn't work
Its not for laddering as much as it is for just fun
But this one I wanna use on ladder
So uh how are we feeling about this team @vast oracle
vast oracle
looks fine imo, there's just a random darm lol
might wanna go rock z on lando to nuke zapdos for mpinsir
run wisp/twave over pain split on rotomw, and hp fire over focus on lele
peak canyon
looks fine imo, there's just a random darm lol
Scarf darm for basically all the annoying grass types it also koes m zam lopunny m menec zard both forms and doesn't die to any of luchas moves and also uh what else was it
vast oracle
you have mpinsir for the grasses
peak canyon
Kills 3/4 tapus
vast oracle
darm is too frail to live lucha's attacks
vast oracle
clicking flare blitz once and any hopes of damage rolls is gone
especially if rocks is in the picture
peak canyon
252+ Atk Hawlucha High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Darmanitan: 297-351 (84.6 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO yuh I take too much from hjk
Rock z lando also makes sense I'll change that
What should I replace
With darm
vast oracle
scarf kart
it can knock the steels too, which helps lele + mpinsir + lando overwhelm them
peak canyon
Wouldn't that make me a bit too weak to the fire types
vast oracle
darm doesnt help that issue either
peak canyon
Yuh
vast oracle
but these lando + rotomw + steel core tends to struggle to switch into the offensive fires in general, especially if you're not twave on rotomw
though you generally just outoffense the likes of volc zardy etc
especially cause you have z rock lando, which can pressure a lot of defoggers so you can keep rocks up against the fires
vast oracle
just a minor fix but yes
vast oracle
run wisp/twave over pain split on rotomw, and hp fire over focus on lele
this too
peak canyon
run wisp/twave over pain split on rotomw, and hp fire over focus on lele
Thing is I gotta use this team in another game besides showdown and catching an hp fire Lele is near impossible
vast oracle
so my rating is based on the SM OU metagame on PS!, so if it's a whole different story/metagame then
peak canyon
Oh both of them are really similar dw only difference is we have to catch and breed in the other one
But yes that other game uses the same rules and u see pretty much the same teams like Koko lucha or rain or m lati stall
vast oracle
so i'll just gonna recommend hp fire on lele, whether you use focus in the end is your call
also dont run gyro & twave on the same set; change gyro to whip or iron head instead, and run careful with 12 Speed EVs to outspeed para'd clef
another option you can try is to run scarf lele + magnezone instead
peak canyon
also dont run gyro & twave on the same set; change gyro to whip or iron head ins...
Oooo
peak canyon
another option you can try is to run scarf lele + magnezone instead
Instead of Ferro?
vast oracle
instead of specs lele + kart
hazy grotto
big thing is lack of ground honestly, specs koko just volts around
yea I did have some trouble with a specs Koko
And I just realized I have no ground type
💀
hazy grotto
https://pokepast.es/c39f3da4bc42c9a9
mega medi seems scary imo
vast oracle
https://pokepast.es/c39f3da4bc42c9a9
Team feels too slow for an offense imo, something like sd kartana and z dig gren becomes annoying to play around
thus i'd run weavile over ttar if you want a pursuit trapper, and it also knocks off the steels and bulky waters for bulu & zardx
Mostly optional but I prefer sub on stabs zardx (esp with grassy terrain for the recovery) cause then you use toxic tran as fodder if you dont mega evolve, but i can see the merit of roost here with how middling your hazard control is
If you decide on weav (and possbily sub zardx too) then running double defog with scarf lando and rotom-w is the way to go i think, so you can run spdef heatran over mage for rocks
heatran + bulu + zardx in general should work well too
dropping mage makes you weaker to agren, but between bulu + a bulkier rotom-w + pursuit trapping if locked to dark pulse, then i think the mu is still playable
tropic schooner
Main idea was zardx bulu, tar was just a slap on if my opp is good and doesnt risk mlati on zardx
So sure im fine with removing mage and tar
Roost mzard has been nice for kart
Offensive or spdef tran?
vast oracle
ye fair enough, though non-smart strike sets also gives bulu setup
spdef
spdef heatran with grassy terrain is immortal
tropic schooner
Hmm maybe not
vast oracle
was thinking of still going defog on rotomw too imo
vast oracle
drop split
tropic schooner
So i just drop psplit ig?
vast oracle
and i like split with special offense teams with lele and stuff cause you annoy chansey
nw :]
tropic schooner
More zardx teams that are serious is always a plus
i only have a generic ho and a banded metagross team lol
vast oracle
More zardx teams that are serious is always a plus
the moment you said this
i knew u were referring to that HO
lmaoo
tropic schooner
Lol that ho is a very if you know you know moment
Its such a funny team to ladder w
olive stag
any suggestions for my attempt at this gen 8 ou double defog ghost spam
https://pokepast.es/3b2042f0916b44de
hazy grotto
https://pokepast.es/7ce8ecfd10008ea1 KB team @vast oracle
vast oracle
can someone rate this
pex and tornt feels out of place here. unless you're willing to drop one of the offensive threats, then pex + torn-t is not enough of a defensive core to justify running BO, so might as well go full on offensive with HO with like lead mdia. was the team built around attempting to make happy hour gren work or it was just added on to the dia + volc + lele core?
vast oracle
https://pokepast.es/7ce8ecfd10008ea1 KB team <@137680963944579072>
way too much support mons for a BO, you lack any sort of offensive power (outside of KB) and speed to complement the pivots and utility
you either go with msciz + fini OR mage + tornt (not all 4 at once) cause they generally do similar stuff in BOs
sd garchomp without z is also awful too
some examples
can replace serp with agren too imo, but you get the idea
vivid kraken
pex and tornt feels out of place here. unless you're willing to drop one of the ...
i built it around happy hour gren
sick kindle
Yo, I've been having a lot of volatility with this XY OU team
I wanna run a Mega Charizard X HO team that actually stacks up to the meta, and I prefer not to meta slave into using Lando T and sand
https://pokepast.es/12fc0067a77b3dc5
To explain my choices:
Charizard- standard Dragon Dance sweeper. No I'm not using Flare Blitz because I don't think the recoil is worth it, and using Roost not only hinders my coverage, but gives opponents an opportunity to cripple me with a supereffective attack or status move induced bullshit. This is why I'm running sun, since a sun boosted Fire Punch is close in power to Flare Blitz without any of the drawback
Starmie- fastest spinner and works well as a special offensive sweeper. I use Lefties over LO because of situations where opponents will repeatedly reapply rocks and whittle away its HP
Scizor- more of a utility mon with some offensive prowess. Ik this set is weird. Designed specifically to counter Mega Lopunny, Mega Medicham, and other Fake Out users. Plus Pursuit support helps deal with Scarf Latios and Bullet Punch can contest Unaware Clef/Mega Altaria
Aerodactyl- Suicide lead/rock setter. Fastest Taunt user with access to rocks so opponents can't get up their own rocks, Rock Tomb for speed control/chip damage. Usually my lead and first one to sac. I'm not worried about keeping rocks up, I actually like to use them to bait more passive play and give my sweepers free setup opportunities
Ninetales- Sun setter for Charizard and Victreebel in case I need more immediate speed. Energy Ball because weather wars are fucking annoying. Will O Wisp to cripple TTar and Hippo switching in to reset weather
Victreebel- Chlorophyll sweeper. Ik Venusaur's the preferred choice, and I'd definitely use it if it weren't for the fact that I can't use Chlorophyll and Weather Ball together. And HP Fire is weak AF. Highly debating replacing with Volc so I can still sweep after sun
Other options I've been considering are Talon and Latios
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vast oracle
i built it around happy hour gren
If thats the case, then i think we can preserve your offensive core and lean more into a HO build, so dropping pex + tornt
Can go with hawlucha for a physical attacker, especially cause chansey can sit on the team otherwise, and offensive utility serp with dual screens cause the team is so frail otherwise, helps them set up and slow down blows from mons like koko (especially since you cant afford a ground). used over other screens setters cause defog detterent + snowball potential + threatens bulky waters for gren & volc
minor changes:
- run lead mdia with stealth rock, which you currently lack. you can try sub + endeavor too to significantly chip spdef mons like av magearna and chansey for your team
- run an offensive EV spread on volc (max max is fine). lefties is only used on subswarm sets, so i'd recommend going lum or iapapa berry instead. optional but i think you can drop giga drain for hp ground or psychic
- make lele hp fire over tbolt
- extrasensory over dark pulse on gren to pressure pex, especially cause you have psychic terrain (dark pulse doesnt hit anything either that hydro + ice beam + extra already hits)
+1 252 SpA Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex in Psychic Terrain: 282-332 (92.7 - 109.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
should look something like this: https://pokepast.es/d34e6a7b1a511dbb
topaz sentinel
Made a Gen 4 ou team if it could be looked at, if it gets looked at quick enough I got another one to be looked at if it’s ok
I’m mostly looking at if there r good alternative sets to life orb gengar and if my moves/stat spread for infernape is good or even if I should replace him
@short hedge
short hedge
I dont like the evs for ape
can you tell me about starmies set?
why illuminate > nat cure
why LO?
topaz sentinel
Oh I forgot to change it
Should I replace infernape or he fits well on the team Wb gengar?
short hedge
i think is ape is good
topaz sentinel
So what spread then
short hedge
maybe consider lefties so ttar teams dont bother
topaz sentinel
Ok Wb stats
vivid kraken
minor changes:
- run lead mdia with stealth rock, which you currently lack. you ...
can i use leech seed over taunt on serp
sub lefties
vast oracle
oh subseed serp?
topaz sentinel
Is there another good gengar set that doesn’t use life orb that I can use
vivid kraken
yeah like
vivid kraken
sub seed leaf storm glare
short hedge
Infernape @ Leftovers
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Close Combat
- Mach
- U-turn
vast oracle
hp fire/ground over glare but yea
short hedge
mix isn't bad
topaz sentinel
Ok Wb starmie and gengar
vivid kraken
or would koko be a better screen setter?
short hedge
gengar
topaz sentinel
Yep yep
short hedge
what's your prob with gengar
vast oracle
i went for serp for defog deterrent + snowball potential, which koko doesnt have
also it clashes with psychic terrain
topaz sentinel
Idk I guess the life orb thing is kinda weary with all the sand and stuff
vivid kraken
ic
topaz sentinel
K so I changed infernape to the physical set
short hedge
you just have to abuse pain split more
topaz sentinel
But the moves r fine?
short hedge
yes
vivid kraken
would klefki work
topaz sentinel
Ok tnx can I sent u one other team
vivid kraken
since prankster
vast oracle
pretty passive
short hedge
maybe conssider dragonite to have extreme speed > fire punch
vast oracle
serp still has offensive potential with leaf storm + contrary
topaz sentinel
U looked at it before it just needs finalizing
short hedge
ok
topaz sentinel
Ok I changed to e speed I’ll get the other team
vast oracle
also the fact that you cant annoy the foe with like prankster twave cause of psychic terrain makes klefki even more passive
vivid kraken
yeah
i just dont think serp is bulky enough to set screens
especially with no recovery
vast oracle
so does koko
but it's the best screens setter in the tier
their speed is what helps
vast oracle
ye serp is a niche screens setter in general
but i think it can fit this team in particular
vivid kraken
@vast oracle just sadly found out char x is soloing this team
short hedge
https://pokepast.es/0eb8d96ff60d889e
team looks good
i dont think forry should be on the team
i dont think you need a rapid spinner
pretty offensive in generaL
vast oracle
<@137680963944579072> just sadly found out char x is soloing this team
well you're running HO
you either dont let it set up or win first before it does
vivid kraken
ig that makes sense
sick kindle
Yo, I've been having a lot of volatility with this XY OU team
I wanna run a Mega...
Um, am I imposing too many constraints here?
topaz sentinel
i dont think forry should be on the team
Who should I replace w and what set
short hedge
lucario doesn't look bad as a replacement @topaz sentinel because i feel like the team needs another sweeper
Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Extreme Speed
- Crunch
something like this
topaz sentinel
lucario doesn't look bad as a replacement <@223963442728534016> because i feel l...
Any other suggestions
Can one of gliscor, skarmoey, scizor, gengar, zapdos metagross or rotom fit?
topaz sentinel
If I went gross should I do agility set w thunder punch over zbutt
short hedge
Based on the other basis covered on the team
topaz sentinel
Ok
short hedge
Yeah thunder punch
topaz sentinel
Bet, maybe making yet another team in near future we’ll see
gritty scaffold
RBY ou team ive wanted to try build around gengar what should i change here? ping reply pls https://pokepast.es/e37c12ef90480258
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weak mirage
RBY ou team ive wanted to try build around gengar what should i change here? pi...
gengar and rhydon are tough to use together because you are stacking ground weakness and just get shredded by enemy rhydon
the only real gengar rhydon team that has seen use is gengar / starmie / rhydon + the normals, starmie provides speed and doesnt make you complete cloyster food
gritty scaffold
oh
weak mirage
and i dont rly like gengar + exeggutor, id much rather use gar + sing chansey
weak mirage
you could go in a few directions depending on what’s important to you
gritty scaffold
i mean i would use zam bc with mie i feel like kinda weak to chansey
night bridge
i’m a gar egg fan but yeah wouldn’t do don last + if you want gar egg you really need stun spore on eggy to help get some para down
gar cloy egg is a fun team but very volatile
night bridge
ye
but emma’s a way better player, listen to her if you wanna build a competitive team
i do use gar cloy egg sometimes in tour and it’s worked for me but definitely not a super consistent team and hard to play despite being a boom spam team (offensive lax)
gritty scaffold
kk alr
tribal smelt
serious nature lando 🌪️
I like the trapper fini but could even afford CM
Team makes Koko sad already
peak canyon
Best team I ever saw, nice
tribal smelt
Other than that idk I like it
woeful pumice
woeful pumice
it should probably be regular cm
wanted it originally to trap ferro and pex
well, mostly pex
vale lagoon
Gen 7 OU team, I'll explain some of the movesets right now
Greninja: Used to run spikes, but I replaced them with taunt because I often found myself losing to stat setup Pokemon like Volcorona or calm mind M-Latias. Gunk shot is to deal with fairy types like the Alolan guardians as well as grass types. Ice beam for dragon/flying types, and low kick is for Ferrathorn and steel types.
M-Alakazam: I learned that he works very will in a core with Magearna and Greninja, and I mainly use him to deal with checks for Magearna. He's also good against ghost type Pokemon, hence the shadow ball. Calm mind is there for stat boost, and focus blast for steel types.
Magearna: She's used as a late game sweeper. I set up calm mind and shift gear, and use fleur cannon to deal with dragon and dark type Pokemon. Thunderbolt is there for flying type coverage. Z crystal also allows her to OHKO potential threats.
Toxapex: Toxapex is used mainly to tank fighting/fire type Pokemon who check Ferrathorn, Celesteela and Magearna. Toxic is for DOT, haze is to negate Pokemon who try and setup on it, and scald is there for burn. Recover allows it to continue to tank attacks.
hazy grotto
Gen 7 OU team, I'll explain some of the movesets right now
Charizard X looks threatening here
vale lagoon
Charizard X?
vale lagoon
I thought Toxapex and Greninja would deal with it
vale lagoon
Yeah Greninja goes down easily
vale lagoon
Anything I could give the team to help deal with Charizard?
vale lagoon
alrighty
vale lagoon
Toxapex: Toxapex is used mainly to tank fighting/fire type Pokemon who check Fer...
Celesteela: Helps cover Toxapex's counters, while also whittling down the foe with leech seed. Protect allows it to scout moves on the Pokemon, and stall for leech seed health. Flamethrower covers grass type and steel Pokemon, and heavy slam for STAB + fairy type coverage.
Ferrathorn: Setup Pokemon. Thunder wave for paralysis, leech seed for health and stealth rock for switch in damage. He's also a starter if Volcorona comes into play. Power whip is used for STAB in case it needs to fight.
The main problem I face is finding a starter
I usually go Greninja, but he's frail and goes down pretty easily.
peak canyon
Gen 7 OU team, I'll explain some of the movesets right now
I LOVE THIS TEAM MAN, IMA USE IT RIGHT AWAY
WOW
vale lagoon
I'm noticing this team still loses to stallers, even with Greninja
He's the only one who can deal with substitute stalling
It's probably not a good idea to give haze and taunt to both my water types though
Because certain Pokemon can easily blow through both of them while stalling as well
Plus, spikes giving Greninja ground type is a godsend against Rotom Wash and other electric type Pokemon
coral topaz
havent really been playing showdown for like 8 months now.... and too lazy to learn the sv ou meta and make teambuild there. soo.... SS OU 😄 https://pokepast.es/c5a33089b4d2c9b6
vast oracle
Gen 7 OU team, I'll explain some of the movesets right now
Mega alakazam spikes balance/fat is a very known team structure, but the fact that you have 2 spikers but none of them runs it is unfortunate😭
Biggest issue is you lack a necessary ground type, which means specs koko will just volt around unpunished
Greninja's set is also unfortunately unviable (taunt gren is only reserved on lead sets, and ebelt/LO is generally better on faster paced offensive teams)
I'd go with gliscor since this team lacks a heatran answer otherwise, especially cause mega alakazam is not recover. gliscor also gives you defog and can knock the steels
Since ferro and celest are near-redundant in this team, i'd go for skarmory + chansey instead; gives you both stealth rocks and spikes while covering a ton of stuff defensively. the original team with triple steel can be awkward defensively as well. chansey also covers problematic fire types like volc, zardy, and zceleb victini (esp since pex is mostly physdef)
upper plume
Also
Not related to the team
But you could've just sent the Pokepaste link
Instead of the screenshot
vast oracle
Also, run cm + split magearna over double dance, since it's a better wincon against chansey and bulkier teams in general, all of which mega zam tends to struggle with
upper plume
The bot will take ur link and "gen 7 ou" and will ping 🐐 automatically
vast oracle
But you could've just sent the Pokepaste link
had to go back and forth to see the team instead of just on the ps teambuilder😭
upper plume
Oof
vast oracle
https://pokepast.es/dba666faf8305082
idk why there's a screens serp on a rain team
i'd go with ferro for hazards, which you currently lack
vivid kraken
idk why there's a screens serp on a rain team
for mage
vale lagoon
Since ferro and celest are near-redundant in this team, i'd go for skarmory + ch...
So Gliscor over Greninja, Skarmory over Celesteela and Chansey over Ferrathorn?
vast oracle
So Gliscor over Greninja, Skarmory over Celesteela and Chansey over Ferrathorn?
pretty much, can just run their standard sets too (the ones onsite). and also cm + pain split magearna over cm shift gear
vivid kraken
actually
vale lagoon
alrighty
vivid kraken
should i use koko > serp
vale lagoon
btw what's LO?
vast oracle
life orb
vale lagoon
ahh okay
Should I use the sets that are mentioned in the SMOGON website to make my movesets for the three mons I'll be using?
vast oracle
should i use koko > serp
koko in rain is fine but they tend to not be screens either
vast oracle
Should I use the sets that are mentioned in the SMOGON website to make my movese...
yea those should work fine
vale lagoon
alrighty
vivid kraken
kokolucha?
vale lagoon
Thanks!
Who should be my starter?
Or would that vary based on the teams I'm facing
I usually struggle with picking a starter
vast oracle
kokolucha?
ye kokolucha rain is fine too
vast oracle
Who should be my starter?
huh why do you need a starter
vale lagoon
huh why do you need a starter
Oh my bad, like a Pokemon to start the match with
Didn't know what they were called
vivid kraken
Didn't know what they were called
can just call them leads
vale lagoon
ahh okay
vast oracle
Oh my bad, like a Pokemon to start the match with
this depends on matchup really. can lead with either skarm/chansey to set up early hazards, but mostly depends on what mon the opponent has
vale lagoon
ahh okay
vast oracle
koko > serp lucha > kingdra
do you specifically want to keep the mage or?
vast oracle
yeah it's fine, gives you an adequate steel since you lack ferro
works well with the waters too
i guess if you want koko you can run it over serp
vivid kraken
alr
vast oracle
give mpert rocks over superpower and kingdra surf over flash cannon
vast oracle
yea hazardless is awful especially on offensive teams
standard rain can afford 4a mpert cause they have ferro
vast oracle
i think magnet pivot koko is better, you dont really need screens cause you'll setup mage in the end game anyways
vast oracle
i prefer agren but kingdra's immediate power + swift swim means it's better against offensive teams right away
vivid kraken
yeah
vast oracle
you can but i prefer magnet pivot to support the waters + mage instead
vast oracle
also make tornt bulky instead, idk whats LO for
just tbolt/uturn/hpice/roost
with magnet as item
max max timid is fine, or just enough speed for weavile
vast oracle
just tbolt/uturn/hpice/roost
i think you can run thunder actually cause rain
ye i forgor
vivid kraken
max speed?
vast oracle
ye it's fine
but with rain i think you can drop some speed, cause you have the waters to make stuff like +1 volc, zardx, and vic useless
though max max is fine too
vast oracle
please dont change the other members halfway through
vast oracle
we can go mana over mage, but at that point it's just koko rain
which is fine
but surely not the same team concept it once was
vivid kraken
thats enough def evs for torn right
vast oracle
i'm still adamant with magnet koko and bulky torn-t instead, but if you're keeping LO on both it's your call
vast oracle
tornt slower than serp is a no go
240/64/204
speed for scarf zone
252 Atk Pure Power Medicham-Mega Ice Punch vs. 240 HP / 64 Def Tornadus-Therian: 304-358 (84.6 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
vivid kraken
is ada killing it
vast oracle
coinflip
vast oracle
ye
warped venture
https://pokepast.es/a91b0d55c304f5d4
SwSh OU
Substitute Melmetal Double Dragon BO.
karmic geyserBOT
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orchid tiger
https://pokepast.es/a91b0d55c304f5d4
SwSh OU
Substitute Melmetal Double Dragon B...
This looks solid tho kart mu is annoying
warped venture
This looks solid tho kart mu is annoying
I did consider Body Press on Ferrothorn to not give it safe setup turns, but that felt like I was putting too much reliance on Melmetal to take on an unrevealed Fini.
orchid tiger
Na fini is not that annoying you already give it like no room tbh
warped venture
Na fini is not that annoying you already give it like no room tbh
Fair, I do find myself overprepping for specific stuff I probably don't need to a lot.
gritty scaffold
Ive tried doing a team for bw ou with exca on rain should i change something here? https://pokepast.es/5de266f56375dafb
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short hedge
Why exca
gritty scaffold
thought it can work on rain
short hedge
For roll compression you can go tenta and give it rapid spin over substitute
Idk I don’t like exca on the team
gritty scaffold
so i put thundy over it? or ig keld
gritty scaffold
oh wp alr then
peak canyon
I made this team for gen 8, is there anything I missed or any bad strat im using https://pokepast.es/0242b8887842c9a3
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hasty ingot
Not sure why you have rillaboom on what is very obviously a stall team
tribal smelt
Not sure why you have rillaboom on what is very obviously a stall team
I guess its for speed control...?
But I can get why he did it
There's a lot more issues here than just the rilla imo
Lots of this is misinformed
peak canyon
wdym
tribal smelt
Hippo should be spdef, Pex should probably be LS, Rilla dosen't really fit here (as stated), The Clefable set dosen't work here
peak canyon
what is lS
also i have the rillaboom for dealing with other wallbreakers like heatran
tribal smelt
...I do not think Rilla is a wise choice for dealing with tran.
LS is light screen and offsets the future sight weakness
tribal smelt
Because its' redundant and you don't exactly need it
Like, ever
Careful hippo switches in on a lot of the tier that Physdef simply can't
peak canyon
ok how about clef
tribal smelt
Pff...
If we swap out rilla for Blissey and make the pex LS standard
You can do Calm mind flamethrower clef
Means Blissey can press toxic/twave and be a cleric for the rest of your team
The changes I was thinking of look like this while still keeping what you wanted to do
peak canyon
well thanks
tribal smelt
This has its' own set of issues but no stall team in SS is perfect and they're not supposed to be
gritty scaffold
theres no perfect team
sick kindle
Yo, I've been having a lot of volatility with this XY OU team
I wanna run a Mega...
Bump
cobalt badge
tryna make a gen 7 ou team. anyone got ideas?
upper plume
Grab a sample team
lusty grove
Is tytar necessary for gen 3 ou
upper plume
no
there are many good teams without tyranitar on it
but every team should factor in tyranitar when building
upper plume
Yeah ttar and skarm are the best 2 mons of adv
rose snow
gen 7 ou : https://pokepast.es/9d46e988680f4670 lmk what u guys think are some possible threats and how i could change the team for the better, appreciate it 🙂
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tired kernel
gen 7 ou : https://pokepast.es/9d46e988680f4670 lmk what u guys think are some p...
Looks like you just ripped these sets right out of smogon
tired kernel
I would recommend dragon claw over outrage
rose snow
Everyone starts somewhere
majority of people use sets from smogon idk y u would think i wouldnt
tired kernel
majority of people use sets from smogon idk y u would think i wouldnt
Okie
rose snow
I would recommend dragon claw over outrage
outrage is for quagsire
tired kernel
?
rose snow
i originally had dragon claw but outrage 2hko quagsire
tired kernel
Youre gonna use a +1 outrage on an unaware quagsire
rose snow
What if they switch to a fairy type
dont press outrage
tired kernel
Outrage is kinda overrated
rose snow
i wont be clicking it often just there for power
tired kernel
Being locked in a move generally isnt a good thing
rose snow
ofc
rose snow
dragon claw is too weak imo
tired kernel
Psychic and psyshock?
rose snow
yea
vast oracle
Looks like you just ripped these sets right out of smogon
nothing wrong with this, there's a reason they're standard. as long as you know what they're for and built a team that complements it then why not
vast oracle
gen 7 ou : https://pokepast.es/9d46e988680f4670 lmk what u guys think are some p...
looks fine, though i'd make ferro knock so opposing ferro and other steels like celesteela gets weakened easily for your garchomp + lele
rose snow
looks fine, though i'd make ferro knock so opposing ferro and other steels like ...
you think i opt for explosion instead of stone edge on lando
vast oracle
I prefer 3a zardx on HOs instead of offenses like these for roost
quag is very rare, and if they are it's stall teams, which specs lele can dismantle easily, provided you play well with it (click right moves and double on the correct turns etc)
rose snow
i havent played in a year or 2 when i did play i saw quag pretty often
vast oracle
hp ice on lando is fine too, chips lando & glisc for zardx and chomp
rose snow
that sounds nice too
vast oracle
sd kart looks like it 6-0s
vast oracle
ye running offense when all 5 are slower than kart and the one faster than it is scarf lando (with no earth power or hp fire) will spell doom
rose snow
+2 Z ohkos zap
vast oracle
i have a bunch of chilan berry zapdos/tornt on my builds
not super common but enough of a bandaid
just the change on ferro and scarf lando
vast oracle
i guess you wanted to keep the 3a zardx? if so, i'd say fire punch over flare blitz imo, at least you dont die early when you're going to sweep
rose snow
that sounds reasonable
vast oracle
plus it looks like zardx will go in late-game anyways once lele + chomp soften up stuff
yes on ferro & lando
rose snow
yes on ferro & lando
knock for gyro or power whip
vast oracle
over gyro cause ferro looks like it's carrying the rain matchup
your water resist being walled by the waters looks awful lol
vast oracle
Looks fine
Fairyspam looks annoying, but i guess you just try to outoffense that matchup
tired kernel
Yeah that’s probably why I recommended a different set
I usually use zardx as a wall breaker
lusty grove
Which gen 3 UU/NU mons would yall recommend for gen 3 ou meta
upper plume
Lanturn/camerupt from what I remember
Ye the first UU- mons that appear on the VR are Camerupt, Misdreavus, Glalie and Roselia
lusty grove
K
daring cove
sm ou https://pokepast.es/c027603a719bd66e, how can i improve this?
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vast oracle
sm ou https://pokepast.es/c027603a719bd66e, how can i improve this?
Is the team built around z celeb victini or?
daring cove
no i just put that in there because i needed another member
and i felt like i needed a late game cleaner
vast oracle
The standard victini set on mmaw + agren teams is usually CB, so just wondering if you decide to run z celeb to bluff or throw people off
You have agren & sd mmaw as potential cleaners, so z celeb victini isnt really a necessity
But not really that big of an issue if you want to keep it
Biggest red flag is lack of water resist, notably agren answer (no switchins and nothing is faster to force it out)
I can help elaborate more if you want but i’m currently outside, will have to wait once I get back home
Also, run the onsite agren set instead (stabs+shuriken+spikes with specs or z water)
daring cove
Biggest red flag is lack of water resist, notably agren answer (no switchins and...
what water resist would you recommend?
vast oracle
what water resist would you recommend?
I think going for av magearna + rotom-w over heatran + zapdos is better here. aside from water resist & agren check, you get more (& better) pivoting options to support mmaw + agren too.
minor change but running both rocks + defog on lando is awful, it's better to delegate the other hazard duty to somebody else (in this case, defog rotom-w)
i dislike not running a scarfer that can outspeed mega zam on these type of teams, but i think between double prio + av mage + victini, you should have a way to play around it
either way, team should look like this: https://pokepast.es/677aaf8f6bcbab24
daring cove
cool, thanks
vast oracle
np :>
daring cove
either way, team should look like this: https://pokepast.es/677aaf8f6bcbab24
sorry, quick question, could you tell me about the evs
vast oracle
sure thing
magearna: lives offensive lando-t's eq and mmedi's hjk
rotom-w: lives zceleb's victini's stored power after rocks, outspeeds modest magnezone
(the rest are either max/max or your original spread)
daring cove
alright, thank you so much for the help
vast oracle
all good!
sick kindle
Yo, I've been having a lot of volatility with this XY OU team
I wanna run a Mega...
Can someone pls give me feedback on this? It's been ignored twice
Or is gen 6 OU just that irrelevant rn?
upper plume
There aren't a whole lot of gen 6 ou raters iirc
sick kindle
Ah that explains it
upper plume
yeah it seems as though the bot only pinged finchinator
who does other things beyond doing rmts
karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
^
gritty scaffold
oh yea forgot that command exists
sick kindle
Ty
cobalt badge
anyone got a good website for sample teams? mostly gen 7 ou teams
upper plume
This team is almost entirely unviable Pokemon or unviable sets that don't come together to be any good. If you're new to BW, I'd recommend sticking with one of the established archetypes (sand, rain, DragMag, Smurf) before trying out new styles of weatherless.
Here are the main problems of the team:
- Nidoking and Swellow are both unviable in current BW OU since they don't switch in to much and when they do switch in, they won't get very far.
- While Gyarados and Haxorus are tiered as OU, they need significant support to work in the OU tier, which you don't adequately provide. Haxorus is usually only seen on DragMag teams, where it's outclassed by Kyurem-Black as an Outrage spamming monster. Meanwhile, Gyarados is seen on Rain teams which give it Rapid Spin support from Tentacruel and also boosts its stab Water moves. Plus, neither really likes using Life Orb, since that will just put it closer into range of opposing revenge killers. Haxorus prefers Lum Berry and Gyara likes Leftovers on a bulkier set or Lum Berry on a faster set. Odds are, having two Dragon Dancers on your team without proper support will just make them fail (especially since both generally get outclassed by other mons in the role they fill).
- Stealth Rock SD Garchomp is an actual set, but if you wish to use it as your lead, you should use either a Focus Sash or a Yache Berry to at least accomplish one of its goals (Rocks or damage). Also, it should have Earthquake to be able to hit Steel types (take out Substitute).
- Volcarona should not run a Modest nature because even after a Quiver Dance, Scarf Landorus-Therian will come in and kill it. Run a Timid nature and at least 184 Speed EVs to outrun it (you can either run more speed or more HP from there). Also, Sitrus Berry won't significantly improve its chances of boosting. Instead, run a spinner and use an item like Insect Plate or Lum Berry. It also shouldn't run both Fiery Dance and Flamethrower. Pick one and ditch the other for more coverage (Psychic, Giga Drain, HP Ground if you hate Heatran that much).
Considering the way you've built your team, I'd recommend either using a DragMag team (which uses Magnezone to trap Steel-types in order to have the Dragons rampage the rest of the Pokemon) or a Smurf HO team (which uses Rapid Spin Starmie's emergency spin and constant offensive pressure to give Volcarona and other sweepers a chance to boost).
This is an example of a DragMag team from top player Monai: https://pokepast.es/f574139ec756ff06, while this one built by me: https://pokepast.es/f363daeeab1ea2af
This is an example of a Smurf HO team from Finchinator: https://pokepast.es/fa3147645525de98, while this is one from the team style's namesake, Smurf: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-simple-questions-simple-answers-thread.3686717/post-9477964
@untold oak
Oh also
You have 3 Stealth Rock weak Pokes and you don't have anti hazard support
peak canyon
Outrage and dclaw?
It's gen 5 ou. And it's also haxorus dragon claw is stab if u don't wanna get stuck in hard place but after all the threats are cleared
U can spam outrage to win
upper plume
Ye Outrage and Dclaw together is pretty common
Usually it's on Dragons not named Haxorus
peak canyon
Yeah but haxorus does still make good use out of it
Although I prefer super power
Balloon mag is too common in bw
I don't get why it's a mixed set on swellow tho
Heatwave for what?
Even air slash looks
Weird
Rather use brave bird
And quick atk for prio
upper plume
Balloon mag is too common in bw
I have been enlightened by chople mag
peak canyon
Chople mag is really good aswell
upper plume
The only other DragMag teams I had mono lost to Mamoswine
peak canyon
😭
Use reuniclus
Atleast it doesn't auto lose
Or maybe surf latios
I doubt ice shard kills
It's still not a good check
Reuiniclus does it well
Or doesn't get 2hkoed and can come in on banded ice shard with ease
To either set up or just wall
upper plume
My teams' best Mamo check are either KB or my own Mamo lol
peak canyon
It's been so long since I played bw
But last time I did dragmag was really dying out
upper plume
That's why I passed teams with Starmie
peak canyon
It's all rain or sand now
upper plume
Ye DragMag ain't the most common thing anymore
peak canyon
That's why I passed teams with Starmie
Starmie is good so u don't auto lose to keldeo
upper plume
I like the Monai team since it uses Cloyster
upper plume
Lol fair
upper plume
I don't rate gen 6
upper plume
There aren't a whole lot of gen 6 ou raters iirc
Basically this
peak canyon
Oof
vivid kraken
sad
karmic geyserBOT
upper plume
Maybe the oras server could help?
vivid kraken
yeah
peak canyon
Hello
I sometimes play gen 6 OU and I was wondering what's M-Lop best ability? I've been running Limber but still I've found no use for it and Cute Charm might be "usable"?
What's your guys opinion?
upper plume
mega lop never stays in base form
you mega immediately and use fake out to get to use mega lop's scrappy
peak canyon
ik, just wondering about some switch-ins
Like... there aren't that many good switch-ins for base mega lop that makes contact, but also I've not faced T-Wave spam
tired kernel
Pro tip
Sometime speed boosting natures are more effective instead of attack boosting ones
peak canyon
but this channel is for RMTs, discussions like these go to comp-gen
comp-gen also talks about old gens, right?
tired kernel
Since haxorus has an ungodly attack stat, it usually invests in speed because it already has the power it needs to hit
Also if you happen to be slower you’ll be getting less hits off and wasting your nature
vast oracle
comp-gen also talks about old gens, right?
yes, compgen covers everything comp-related mostly
peak canyon
Well I've a team that I use on ORAS
Not that good but I've fun with it
It's a rough team...
peak canyon
Stuff that Lops struggles to deal with, Clefable and physical walls
Taunt is my only hazard preventing option + counters Chansey well
tired kernel
Taunt is my only hazard preventing option + counters Chansey well
Trick delphox
peak canyon
Yh using Taunt as a way to counter hazards isn't great that's why I'm thinking about switching Delphox
tired kernel
That makes sense
peak canyon
Trick delphox
Switching into T-Wave cripples her too much
peak canyon
Exca is good all around
I will work more on this team later
Noivern is doing a good job for me ngl
But rocks really hurts
tired kernel
Noivern is doing a good job for me ngl
Great wallbreaker
I would suggest a physical wall breaker tho but noivern can make do
vast oracle
https://pokepast.es/a8c975ef011a9c3d
I suggest going to the oras server and ask there imo, since we dont have much oras raters here atm
karmic geyserBOT
peak canyon
Well I'm waiting to be verified, but thanks!
untold oak
Heat wave isnt killing anything let me tell you that
Realized that the hard way against a ferrothorn
upper plume
a) you have ways of beating Ferrothorn without resorting to using a special move on a mon with 60 base Special Attack
b) The rest of your team doesn't help Swellow nor does Swellow help any of the mons on your team do their jobs better
peak canyon
how would yall rate this
https://pokepast.es/1811d1ba0fb9bf09
vast oracle
5/10, i like the offensive core of mdia + kb + lele being supported by ferro (which should be spikes btw)
I take that back, i just saw the lele set
1.5/10
No psychic move lele
Team lacks a ground, a hazard removal, and a speed control
No voltturn support for specs lele + KB is also awful
Dont think you can afford ferro + celest on the team, just drop celest for scarf lando
Alo is also so out of place. If you want a bulky water, tapu fini or rotom-w are better here
Those are the biggest changes imo, though there’s prob minor changes we can do afterwards
peak canyon
No psychic move lele<:worrywhirl:889350845488050216>
i forgot about that so i made a new one
tribal smelt
The first one is fun.
I think you should pick a 6th on the last
Makes it easier for the SS players to fix it
A personal note on Volc HO is that it should preferably always be full 3a
And Boom U turn Lando is not really that fantastic
Put EQ over U turn as a start
Like pff
Eq rocks SD boom works
Have been swept by that
You should probably try and fit a Garchomp somewhere into HO
Solves any thought process on Tran
Rocks SD suicide into Garchomp is super duper annoying to try and soak into Garchomp
peak canyon
https://pokepast.es/bdc131511e45f5d9 gen 7 ou the teams not bad but I feel like it's missing something
I wish I had a better answer to scizor tbh
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tribal smelt
The ghost one is pretty much fine imo, might do a Fighting type somewhere to offset the enemy dark spam
And the lolatails one is entirely fine for ladder testing
thorny plover
thanks for the help!
tribal smelt
If you do encounter issues @ me in comp Gen and I could explain some of the turn progression issues you have
These are like entirely okay to deal with things up to 1500s on ss
(Aka "high end" ladder)
stiff sail
I was trying to consider the meta when making this team
oops did I forget to give magic bounce back after showdown dc'd and erased everything
magic guard I mean
wraith mulch
https://pokepast.es/2095cff39a91294c i have no idea what the 6th mon should be, its just gastrodon because rules makes me have to do so. Im thinking a ground type that doesnt die to hp ice perhaps?
And it might be nice to fit a z move somewhere
@vast oracle chatot isnt doing its job
hazy grotto
https://pokepast.es/2095cff39a91294c i have no idea what the 6th mon should be, ...
I have the same team
Just Slowbro
Over Lando
vast oracle
https://pokepast.es/2095cff39a91294c i have no idea what the 6th mon should be, ...
you can drop lando for something else then
something like mttar works, gives you a stealth rock setter (lets you run ep on heatran) that enjoys grassy terain and lets you pressure & pursuit trap stuff like zapdos, torn-t, and mlati for your grassspam
vast oracle
And it might be nice to fit a z move somewhere
make that fightinium z bulu
vast oracle
https://pokepast.es/bdc131511e45f5d9 gen 7 ou the teams not bad but I feel like ...
can go with pex over mantine then, which also provides toxic spikes for reuni (esp cause double dance cant touch darks)
or go bulk up on buzzwole over eq
also fix buzzwole ev spread; run max hp and def, with some speed to hit benchmarks like mmaw or crawdaunt
personally would go ditto over unaclef here but it's fine i think
peak canyon
also fix buzzwole ev spread; run max hp and def, with some speed to hit benchmar...
Can u send the uh spread pls thank you
wraith mulch
make that fightinium z bulu
So fight z>lefties on bulu(evs and moves no change?), mtar>lando, ep>rocks on tran? And the gastro is fine? xd
vast oracle
Can u send the uh spread pls thank you
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe or EVs: 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 Spe, both impish
peak canyon
24 for maw 64 for daunt?
vast oracle
yes
vast oracle
So fight z>lefties on bulu(evs and moves no change?), mtar>lando, ep>rocks on tr...
yes, and gastro is fine. i guess you can afford to drop some bulk for speed on bulu cause you have gastro in the back as a water resist -- maybe hitting crawdaunt's speed tier is a good benchmark, like EVs: 248 HP / 164 SpD / 96 Spe. If so, i think you can drop heatran's speed too to like EVs: 252 HP / 216 SpD / 40 Spe, enough for mmaw
wraith mulch
yes, and gastro is fine. i guess you can afford to drop some bulk for speed on b...
Cool cool thanks
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peak canyon
can go with pex over mantine then, which also provides toxic spikes for reuni (e...
But won't PEX make me a bit too weak to eq spam?
hybrid matrix
https://pokepast.es/ead536dd34a3570d first attempt at a viable team and i would like to know if there are any mistakes i made in teambuilder.
gen 8 ou
tribal smelt
https://pokepast.es/ead536dd34a3570d first attempt at a viable team and i would ...
This is not bad, per se, but I don't really get where you are going here
lots of differing archetype mons
hybrid matrix
attempting to go for balanced. 3 offensive units and 3 defensive
hybrid matrix
This is not bad, per se, but I don't really get where you are going here
in a battle rn actually
i lost so im going to make some modifications. any suggestions?
tribal smelt
I think you are noticing some flaws already here
Your idea of balance is a bit different than what most people class as balance
There's some sample teams you can look at and see if there's anything to your liking as a start, you have some core idea here but I fail to really grasp it
since there's a lot of clashing
You could take this into a very tanky bulky offense route, or make this a more consistent balance by dropping Chansey and going for another route
And here the Kartana should preferably be scarfed, and the buzzwole might have to go standard
The samples are a little outdated but still functional for ladder
hybrid matrix
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-sample-teams-crown-tundra.3672556/
thank you. i will go into a trick room team and see if i can rack up some wins. thx for the advice!
tribal smelt
No problem, ask any time for SS in here and people will try and help
upper plume
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-sample-teams-crown-tundra.3672556/
should give the 3d thread
tribal smelt
should give the 3d thread
That too. I don't have that readily saved is the difference
But that one also showcases what is going on atm in SS
vast oracle
But won't PEX make me a bit too weak to eq spam?
Tbf if that is an issue, mantine doesnt help it either, cause offensive grounds like SD lando and garchomp will blow you back at +2 regardless. Also, other grounds that mantine beats & pex loses to are already covered for by the team, with buzzwole handling mega swampert & excadrill while clef checks mixed mchomp.
Nidoking is fake anyways
Basically you sacrifice a slightly weaker ground matchup (which shouldnt be an issue for the team anyways) for a better overall mon
hybrid matrix
https://pokepast.es/edafd70b21b7657e this is my first trick room team and i have been playing competitive for a few weeks now. if there are any mistakes please tell me so i can fix them. thanks
patent delta
my gen 4 OU team
https://pokepast.es/a05bb636e83fcddd
karmic geyserBOT
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fossil drift
short hedge
my gen 4 OU team
https://pokepast.es/a05bb636e83fcddd
oof, this is really not a viable team. i would recommend looking at https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/ to have some ideas but im not rating it because ill be changing all 6 mons
fresh thistle
https://pokepast.es/a3a39126fbe4dd78
It has a few issues, namely it only has snorlax as an electric check, which is quiet poor for a stall team, especially since snorlax doesnt have rest + sleep talk
Additionally Snorlax is the teams only real win condition, and will have a difficult time breaking past Rock types
Mons like Exeggutor, Marowak and Machamp will all give your team problems, as your team doesnt have 100% reliable switch ins to each one
And while some stall teams can work without phazing moves (Roar / Whirlwind) it is generally preferred to have them
I could give some recommended changes, but are there any aspects of the team you would like to keep?
rose snow
https://pokepast.es/ac34b77487820cc6 gen 7 ou
karmic geyserBOT
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kind shadow
I could give some recommended changes, but are there any aspects of the team you...
I'd like to keep suicune and the anti rapid spin misdreavous
I can see that i dont really need 2 physical bulk -atk move users
So I can dump Miltank or Umbreon, and can potentially replace Forretres with another Spike and Spinner
fresh thistle
Yea Umbreon, Missy ands Miltank all occupy the role of "Fire move Snorlax check" on stall
kind shadow
Missy here is playing disruptor role
fresh thistle
Suicune is an interesting case since it doesnt really have a defined roles besides "mixed wall"
kind shadow
And spin blocker that isnt offensive like Gar
fresh thistle
and its difficult to find a place for it on stall, which usually has very specialized and well defined roles
kind shadow
Its used to check things like the rocks ig
fresh thistle
To keep Suicune and Missy on the team I would drop Umbreon and Miltank for Skarmory + Blissey
kind shadow
Whos my phys wall then?
fresh thistle
Skarmory, the #1 phys wall in the meta
kind shadow
Oh yeah
fresh thistle
Id also replace giga drain with hp fire on forretress
kind shadow
Let me make the changes then and sebd the nee paste in
fresh thistle
For a better matchup against other forre
fresh thistle
well the idea with stall is you dont need to ko things immediately
toxic will cripple the rocks long term
fresh thistle
flame > toxic on blissey
skarmory set doesnt work, since ww will fail if called by sleep talk and you are faster
drop sleep talk for curse here
kind shadow
Yea
fresh thistle
and i think you should drop curse on snorlax for belly drum
kind shadow
Wouldnt that make it very offensive though?
fresh thistle
and probably eq > fire blast, but flamethrower could work
yes but without bd, you dont have the tools to break through defensive teams
kind shadow
Oh yeah, other hb teams
fresh thistle
yea, otherwise good to go
kind shadow
HP fire is > Gdrain on forr
fresh thistle
i think it will be a difficult team to learn gsc with, but you can make it work
kind shadow
Ty
fresh thistle
https://pokepast.es/97a0a645e080c2a0
This is a similar team thats a sample for your info
trades a bit of the defensive utility of suicune for offensive presence and para spreading of zapdos
fresh thistle
fair, but they are good to know to get a grasp of teambuilding
fresh thistle
of course, have fun
obtuse prairie
yea its better there
fossil drift
alr
hybrid matrix
https://pokepast.es/1ce4ce4272aefdd7 improved alot on mys trategy. stored power on hatterene to counter stall
vast oracle
https://pokepast.es/3203011d5a4b1931
was the original plan to use mmedi + scarf kart or is there anything else you want to keep?
rose snow
was the original plan to use mmedi + scarf kart or is there anything else you wa...
yeah medi kart
vast oracle
big thing is lack of ground and voltturn support for mmedi imo
can go 2 directions imo
if you wanna keep the grasspam concept, you can remove ashgren + zapdos for weavile + lando, or go voltturn by removing bulu + zapdos + heatran for sd lando + rotomw + av magearna
fallow grail
Hey Guys,
Quick question about the current gen 5 ou vability Ranking; Why is Ttar in the s tier? I mean, yeah its on every Sand team, but only because it is needed to deal with Latios. Wich is why i understnd its placing there. It litteraly dictates how Sand teams are build, while also adding def agsinst keldeo to your team. But ttar confuses me. What am i missing in the picture here?
peak canyon
https://pokepast.es/8cbc6152b366caf5 sm ou bulky volt turn but im a bit stuck now help
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cyan ether
https://pokepast.es/2501799a97c7c2aa
possibly the most megazam weak team I've ever seen, sadly
obtuse citrus
rip
cyan ether
i think with the team members there isn't a huge amount that can be done to make for a decent zam mu but a few adjustments could make it not an autoloss
firstly rocks should absolutely be on mew, alolan dug is a pretty poor rocker
this lets dug run sucker punch
obtuse citrus
ok 
cyan ether
secondly I'd probably favour reflect > toxic on zap here so you have more consistent defense against melm, this team is pretty fast paced and very safe against any setup mew variant so toxic isnt necessary
melm should almost always be eq > superpower, just better coverage and means you can do melm 1v1s
on this team I'd probably say to go jolly melm so your melm can reliably outspeed and ko/weaken the opposing one but that's a player preference thing
obtuse citrus
ok done tysm
cyan ether
not done!!
:p
beedrill should have 29 hp ivs so its hp isn't divisible by 4, you could also consider roost over x scissor but either is fine
obtuse citrus
😮
cyan ether
gengar doesn't really need taunt seeing as it heavily threatens everything with recovery directly and the main rockers can just kill it instead, I'd probably opt for a coverage move / wisp / boom
there's also the question of what mew set is best here if it has the rocks but I'm not 100% sure, probably rocks uturn roost psy
*gengar threatens everything with recovery except chansey, but chansey builds are usually quite weak to bee
obtuse citrus
ah
upper plume
Hey Guys,
Quick question about the current gen 5 ou vability Ranking; Why is Tta...
Long story short, sand is the most viable and flexible weather archetype in the tier, and if you're doing so, you are including Tyranitar on your team because it is necessary for those teams to deal with not just Latios, but other Psychic types like Alakazam and Reuniclus
So long story short, if you're building a sand team, it begins and ends with Tyranitar
And sand is the most viable archetype in the metagame
If you had dozens of Sand teams, 95% would have Tyranitar, and 90% of them would have it as the sole weather setter
ivory obsidian
hey y'all, I'm new to pokemon and have been playing showdown for a few days, I made a stall team but have been getting swept by my friend, so I'd like to shift it to be more balanced. any ideas? I'm wiling to swap out anyone besides spiritomb https://pokepast.es/5e61eaf0e4f5eccd
copper gull
Why not switching out spiritomb?
Yes it has no weaknesses but there isn’t any valuable resistances
And why the NFE carbink?
Isn’t diancie much much better?
Or maybe it’s just me high and carbink isn’t an NFE
Audino…..
Even the mega isn’t great
But Amogus and Skarmory great picks
Rest I think you can work on
Try and pick mons from the OU section
That’s all the advice I can really see I can give, especially since I’m not a great player myself, only been playing for like 3 4 months
fallow grail
Long story short, sand is the most viable and flexible weather archetype in the ...
My Problem with this explanation is, that first both zam and reuniclus play focus blast to deal with Ttar. So if Ttar takes a little bit of dmg both of them can take it down. And reuniclus could even recover back any dmg dealt by ttar. That makes ttar a much to unreliable answer to them in my opinion to justify s tier. Not to mention that my teams play more then one pyschic type and Ttar can only handle one of them at best. Also the S tier is descriped as mons that shape the meta around them. But the way this Exploration works, it seems more like Ttar was a byproduct of how the meta shaped. Wich males a lot more sense, when you considre, that just a gen earlier hippo was the primerie Sandsetter.
ivory obsidian
Why not switching out spiritomb?
Spiritomb is my favorite Pokémon and I’d like to make him work
And I’m not sure what “work on” means because I have no idea what I’m looking for in a balance team