Old Gens OU

[peak canyon]

hmm

[flint ridge]

https://pokepast.es/b8fb0c8d6064a87a prob smth like this

[peak canyon]

okay

[flint ridge]

gastro> gren since u needed a ground

tran over gear for rocks

[peak canyon]

okay

but what's the problem with eq over ep

[flint ridge]

grassy terrain weakens eq

also could make mew bulkier

[peak canyon]

ohhh

okay got it

[rare token]

Mew doesn’t need earth power

I’d go psychic or toxic

[leaden fiber]

or ib

[unborn solstice]

Decided Gen 8 wasn’t for me, found out I really enjoy Gen 4 OU

[fast sky]

Oh ok

Have any replacements for Zeraora? I want to play this team on Pokemon Sword but I do not have Zeraora.

[hasty ingot]

We don't do in-game teams, sorry

[flint ridge]

don’t see a point in that?

[rare token]

psychic actually allows you to check medicham and lopunny

toxic is for mtias

[flint ridge]

there is wisp

[fast sky]

What do you mean? I thought Swsh is the same as gen 8. In that case what are same OU alternatives to Zeraora. Just fast sweepers that are good against rain teams.

[flint ridge]

Koko

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/fa0a11dd033772e3 is this a good latias team?

[woeful pumice]

https://pokepast.es/8c047f7bab32c31f first tradebacks attempt

[fast sky]

?

Is that a meme team

[leaden fiber]

its rby tradebacks

[brisk hatch]

Any tips on improving this team?

[upper plume]

what tier is this?

[rare token]

gen 7 ou i assume

theres too much wrong with this regardless to make this team work without completely rebuilding it

[upper plume]

wait that quag has flame orb lol

[rare token]

look at its set

[upper plume]

yeah

[brisk hatch]

I’m new to this so I suck at team building

What should I be focused on when building a balanced team

[peak canyon]

^

[rare token]

a balanced amount of offense and defense

enough offense to allow your defensive core to pressure and enough defensive to pressure other offensive cores

[brisk hatch]

My team is too offensive?

[upper plume]

well first of all what tier is your team for?

[leaden fiber]

n nt rly

[upper plume]

what tier are you building this for?

[brisk hatch]

Gen 7 ou

Hence the mega and the tapu lele

[leaden fiber]

that team is v ungood

u lack fundamentals

id just use a sample team fromp #1024432517077540904 and play more until u get a grasp on how the game is played

[upper plume]

ok

I'll ask you a few questions about your team

first of all

porygon z seems to be running conversion

why conversion?

[rare token]

z conversion is a real set @upper plume

just not with those moves

[upper plume]

I want them to explain it themselves

[leaden fiber]

well i cant open pokepaste rn 💀

i rmbr u needing removal

it was like

oh nvm i rmbr the team

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/ef081d3a4a2f48e5. This is a gen 3 ou team, if i want to replace jolteon, who is the best replacement? and if i do replace him, do the rest of my mons' sets synergize well or should i change certain things?

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

team honestly looks ok

like this is the main problem with jolteon

if jolteon was a zapdos u'd have a much better matchup vs waters

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/463b67328a1f7cc3. this is gen 4 ou, still doing a use Jolteon challenge so sorry if this is hard to rate, idk last time i played gen 3 ou jolteon did the least work granted I played those of a higher rank than me

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[topaz sentinel]

so r u saying i should replace jolteon w zapdos?

[short hedge]

okay couple of things if skarm is the lead, id go a bit quicker 252 HP / 252 Speed Jolly would be good with quick claw and sturdy ability. jolteon is a good speed check, I would go with Life Orb. Jirachi I think needs to change to a more physical defensive set, something like 252 HP / 252 DEF bold with Iron Head, Body Slam, Fire Punch and Substitute. I think Rotom needs to completely go, it would be nice to have starmie in this slot for entry hazard remover also foregoing that completely and going with Agility Metagross fits the team pretty decently

aside from that cool team

jirachi would go with lefties > scarf

Agility Metagross item could be Life Orb or Lum

[upper plume]

Lead jolteon would've been nice if drypass was legal

[unborn solstice]

https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Freplay.pokemonshowdown.com%2Fgen4ou-1840707746&data=05|01|5925003145%40student.myscps.us|a2f2e7cf8c86481fd3ab08db39d7f9a3|d1e9e6b2778e48e5a961e9836af08827|0|0|638167371999101755|Unknown|TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D|3000|||&sdata=l%2Bk0G32UWtlTDIVrg%2FkYfpMOhVSYiMOCs2RbPi5fIzM%3D&reserved=0

still learning gen 4 ou but this was wild

[topaz sentinel]

If u think skarm shouldn’t be the lead who should? Cuz the current spread I was using for skarm was working quite well. And r u saying to replace rotom w Metagross or starmie? And what spread/moves should I give them

[short hedge]

i think skarm should be the lead

if you're switching out rotom, starmie would have something like rapid spin, thunderbolt, surf, recover / ice beam (life orb / lefties)

if you're going life orb you might want to prefer to go hydro pump

the set will always look like 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timidi

[topaz sentinel]

Wb Metagross

[short hedge]

starmie is for entry hazard removal if it starts being an issue

if not

metagross would run, agility, mash, eq, thunder punch / ice punch

252 att / 252 Spe

[topaz sentinel]

Do any other of my Pokémon serve as a good lead? Ik ur telling me to make skarm fast instead but again he’s been able to stonewall lots of things

Adamant?

[short hedge]

Jolly / Adamant

Skarm is a good lead

[topaz sentinel]

Would running adamant make me lose out on outrunning certain important scarf things?

[short hedge]

tbh no

[topaz sentinel]

If I used agility

[short hedge]

239 x 2 outspeeds almost everything

478

latias scarf is the only thing o

off the top of my head

[topaz sentinel]

Scarfed 100s can outspeed that

U need 319 speed at least and Ik 100s r 328

[short hedge]

correct thats why i said jolly / adamant

its ur choice

[topaz sentinel]

Ahh ok

Idk if flagon is common scarfer

[short hedge]

yes

there's a lot of base 100 scarfers

jirachi / flygon

off the top of my head

to be safe id go jolly

but for extra power i like adamant

based on your team

id go jolly

personally

[topaz sentinel]

Ok

Still deciding between him or starmie

If I ever wanted to add gengar to the team who should I replace him w, and what set/moves

[wraith mulch]

https://pokepast.es/96038c3980e6db15 (ss)
||i know im not supposed to, but if i wanted a team with 3 uubl or lower mons, would this be how it looks||
sun team, any thoughts on the last 3? (lando blacph and bliss)

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hasty ingot]

If you know you're not supposed to, don't do it

I'd go eject button on Lando and maybe heatran over blissey

Most things over blissey would be good you don't want bliss on sun

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/967108c624f000c1

Still experimenting teams, how does this look for gen 4 ou? Using Jolteon still as always

Is it bad that half my team r weak to ground, if so who should i replace one of them with?

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/ef081d3a4a2f48e5

posting gen 3 ou again cuz i really trying to remove jolteon on this cuz i feel he doesnt really do much, who is the best replacement with sets/ivs?

[tacit vigil]

@polar nacelle

[leaden fiber]

(its zapdos)

[tacit vigil]

@leaden fiber bc more available

[leaden fiber]

its just zapdos

[topaz sentinel]

Replace jolt with zap in the gen 3? What sets?

[leaden fiber]

idk take a guess, what would u replace the fast special attacking electric type with. a fast special electric attacking type
max max modest/timid tbolt hpgrass twave bpass is fine, or roar somewhere

[topaz sentinel]

Well idk if the team desperately needed an electric type to fill the patch or if there r other solid alternatives

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/bea6a0058fed7702 grass spam team

gen 7 Ou

[opal beacon]

Gets fucked by tr marowak but other wise. Looks cool

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/fd5eaca15fd0cd19 what other 2 mons can be added to this mega gyarados team?

[forest path]

#comp-general not here 🙂

[peak canyon]

?

[forest path]

the team is Incomplete

Rule 4

[peak canyon]

oh

lemme finish

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/5945458dbf0e69f9 how is this gen 7 ou mega gyarados team?

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

Ive tried to make a team with victini on (ss) dunno what to change https://pokepast.es/157ebfda78f31b50

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[woeful pumice]

https://pokepast.es/73744f7a752caf09 how bad is this

ive never built bw

[leaden fiber]

i dont really like the thundy mu

@short hedge

[hasty ingot]

i'd swap toxic on tran for rocks and put defog on lando over rocks and then change the koko set to the following:

Tapu Koko @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Volt Switch
• Dazzling Gleam
• Nature's Madness
• Roost

lets you consistently chip lando for a koko wincon if weavile can't pan out against their team

there's also a case for other stuff

Tapu Koko @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Thunderbolt
• Dazzling Gleam
• U-turn
• Roost

works as well

Tapu Koko @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Volt Switch
• Dazzling Gleam
• Toxic
• Roost

is also fine

[warped venture]

Broko❗️❗️

Favorite SS Koko set

[hasty ingot]

but generally you want fog on lando to fog heatran rocks and rocks on heatran to not let corv fog on you

otherwise, nice team, looks like something i would build

[hasty ingot]

it's the best one

i love cm koko but its not that good sadly

is a fun af mon tho

[warped venture]

Yeah I have tried CM Koko too
Meta just is not kind to outside of super niche structures
and Broko just feels a lot more fun to use even then.

[hasty ingot]

yeh isn't that great

i built one decent team with it a while back that was like

cm koko + cm fini + cm reu

and just said "surely one of these will win"

[warped venture]

took "just stay calm" to a whole new level.

[hasty ingot]

for real

i mean that is a legit strat in SS OU

just stack bulky wincons + support mons

and one of them will hit the matchup

thats what the infamous 100p balance team does

bulky volca + dnite + all the support

koko/clef/ferro/lando

[warped venture]

idt I've quite seen that team yet.

[hasty ingot]

oh let me link it for ya

[warped venture]

Do you have the paste by any chance?

[hasty ingot]

https://pokepast.es/39edfe64dfa3a65b

the lando set can differ on the user

to SpD rocks

and the volca is sometimes a victini

and the koko moveset can change based on the user

same with the clef item, sometimes they run helmet

but that's the general core

[warped venture]

Oh yeah Offensive SR Lando is a thing now I keep forgetting.

[hasty ingot]

you don't run removal on this either

[hasty ingot]

original team was normal SpD lando with toxic over explosion

but both were variants of the team

it's pretty dang common in ss

[warped venture]

I've seen Soft Sand/NGem Explosion Rocks Lando a surprising amount recently.

[hasty ingot]

the entire point of boom lando on this team btw

is to smoke opposing lando

[warped venture]

Like, even just outside of 3D's team dump that thing is showing up a lot for some reason.

[hasty ingot]

lando does everything in ss

its lando

[warped venture]

Oh I'm aware
Just need to physically remind myself people are doing offensive SR stuff with it again.

oh wait btw is the 30 Speed IV an accident or?

Is that just a thing they do for opposing Offensive Lando

[short hedge]

Looks good maybe I would give tyranitar stealth rock instead of thunder wave and give gliscor toxic instead of sr. For alakazam maybe consider shadow ball / calm mind over hp Ice

Skarm shed tail over leftovers

[peak canyon]

?

[leaden fiber]

not v good

ur using this weird mix of ho and balance

and it doesnt end well

u should commit to one or the other

[peak canyon]

hmm

I was trying to make a team with gyarados

[peak canyon]

so what is supposed to be changed that team?

[leaden fiber]

well u have to decide what teamstyle u want first

if u want mgyara offense u make mgyara offense if u want a balance team w the lando zapdos jirachi core thats fine too

klefki is not a good screener

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/1e8a9d08feec320b mega Slowbro team

[leaden fiber]

is there any reason ur running sd lefties chomp instead of z dragon

wait is this sm ou or

cuz it says format: gen 9 nationaldex

[hazy grotto]

oh yea I was just trying it out

[hazy grotto]

I forgot to change the format

It’s SM ou

[leaden fiber]

ahh ok

[peak canyon]

i would like this

[peak canyon]

ohhh

so shall i use

koko?

[leaden fiber]

koko / serp

[peak canyon]

for screens

oh ok

then everything else good?

[leaden fiber]

no

[peak canyon]

kyurem has to be replaced?

[leaden fiber]

kyu could b fine

[peak canyon]

ok

so what else is wrong

except the klefki

[leaden fiber]

lando zap jirachi

[peak canyon]

they aint good with gyarados?

[leaden fiber]

theyre not good w screens

those mons waste screens turns

[peak canyon]

oh

so what if i not use screens

and use a ferrothorn or smth

for rocks

[leaden fiber]

jirachi isnt rly a good mon in general

so u can do ferro > rachi and give up on screens ye

[peak canyon]

so what do i replcae screens with

replace*

[leaden fiber]

then u make it more balance style

patch holes

im not gonna build ur team for u

[peak canyon]

no im confused

on how to identify pokemon roles

like if they are hyper offensive

sweeper

etc

[gritty scaffold]

Alr thanks pal

[fast sky]

I made this team a while ago as a bulky offense:https://pokepast.es/10fd2f928520c8e6. After testing it, it struggles against sandstorm and rain teams. Specifically Barraskewda and tyranitar.

How would I make this team better against its main threats?

[leaden fiber]

eh? how u struggling to skewda with ferro slowbro

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/8e97fa713a4b3ae2 made this team could probably use some changes

[onyx cairn]

https://pokepast.es/68e8fa5d99db63df gen 3 OU , I feel like there are a lot of holes I could probably fix here any suggestions

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[topaz sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/33f3cc821c794a24. My experiments for gen 4 ou continue, this team is very weak to earthquake, clefable, and the rare quagsire/gastrodon, any suggestions of what to change besides jolteon? (replace mons, items?)

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[short hedge]

already rated this team, i said you should go for life orb over expert belt, jolteon needs the power. if weak to earthquake. body slam on scarf is kinda not needed, probably better off with uturn

this team before had gyarados so that kinda helped for eq

dont like the changes that were done to the team, think it went backwards

[topaz sentinel]

Alright I’ll bring back Gyarados and replace Heatran I just felt he got shut down by sr

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/9a4f327cd83d6d9c made this mega Mawile team

I thought shuca Berry pex would be pretty cool to use against Zard X with EQ

Also tornadus item should be Rocky helmet

I forgot to change that

[leaden fiber]

u lose to psychics immediately

[hazy grotto]

yea I noticed that

[rugged fossil]

Hello zerkas

[rugged fossil]

You remember the

Oras

Sandrought team

By abr

U were supposed to give me

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/3b8d6bac5d5ff76e

Gen 7 ou

I breezed through 1300 elo easily but got a massive problem after that a lot of stalls like amoongus and m-sableye give me trouble

I try some what use my lando to kill it off but it either switches to skarmory or amoongus i just cant kill off stall teams so i just want some recommendations for switching of mons for a better tean against stall

[onyx cairn]

👀

[peak canyon]

Gen 3??'

Chad

[onyx cairn]

Where everyone at lol

[peak canyon]

Fr

[reef cobalt]

hi, just wanted to ask about a good team with scolipede for gen 7 ou

scolipede is among of my favorite pokemon ever and i wanna make a team surrounding it

[leaden fiber]

is very weird bc

zapdug builds generally v offensive

[steel wasp]

https://pokepast.es/aac8a63b6ba1fe74 SM OU

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steel wasp]

i tried recreating this team but im not sure if it's accurate

coz it's a widely used team in SM

[leaden fiber]

i can send u abr ho when I get home

[steel wasp]

ok ty

[onyx cairn]

what do you suggest I change

[leaden fiber]

depends on what u want to do

u can either go for zapdug and just use an offensive zapdug team

or keep dug and the defensive mons and do skarm dug refresh dol as a bulkier team

or u can remove dug and make it a spikes build with rest zap

[onyx cairn]

I see. Main goal was sort of just CM spam since celebi can pass a bunch of stacks to dol zap or blissey and just sweep if I've dealt with their bliss

skarm being just a phys wall so I don't get rolled by phys teams

[leaden fiber]

oh

dedicated cm pass is weird cuz u can only have one booster that can pass

but those teams exist

special attacking claydol isnt rly a thing

[onyx cairn]

its great momentum against skarm, just now im thinking I should run psychic to fuck off incoming gengars

[leaden fiber]

its not a good set

u lose out on what makes dol good

[onyx cairn]

being what

[leaden fiber]

unaffected by spikes rock resist that can boom waters

ur claydol loses to ddtar

[onyx cairn]

tru

[leaden fiber]

and boom is a big draw

dol teams either beat dol some way else (booms from metagross, snorlax, etc.), magneton, bulkeir teams can ignore spikes, or run refresh dol to deal with skarm

er. beat skarm some way else*

[onyx cairn]

yeah thats fair

[onyx cairn]

assuming standard dol, what should I be changing from there

[leaden fiber]

are u going for cm spam type stuff w dug

those teams are like

u can do zap celebi dug cune gar p2 or smth

dol on cm spam would be interesting but idk how well it'd work

[onyx cairn]

what roles are p2 and cune filling? I'm relatively new to this

[leaden fiber]

p2 on this team would be hp fight

helps deal w tar, spreads status, checks mence/gyara v well

cunes bulk gives u cplay to nearly everything

and if u succesfully trap dug cune is v hard to switch into

[onyx cairn]

something like hp fighting, recover, ice beam twave?

[leaden fiber]

ye

ill see if i can find spead

or i could just pass u a team

[onyx cairn]

what type of cune

[leaden fiber]

https://pokepast.es/cfd7d52434d1e166

u could do smth like this too

[onyx cairn]

yess I was trying to fit a jirachi

[leaden fiber]

well i think u gras cune but whatevs test it out and see

some1 probably better than me built it anyways

[onyx cairn]

what is gengar checking here

[leaden fiber]

gar is secondary bliss removal and eats one from dders

gar also comes into skarm and abuses it v well

[onyx cairn]

what is coming in on a mixed mence

cune?

[leaden fiber]

pivot

try not to let cune eat dclaws

[onyx cairn]

predicting a switch every time is pretty unreliable no?

[leaden fiber]

its abt conserving cune hp

bc thats v important

if u can get gar in vs mence as it hp grasses or brick breaks thats good too

if u get cune on fire blast cool

rachi on dclaw cool

[onyx cairn]

I see

[smoky jasper]

Gen 5 DragMag: https://pokepast.es/9b7776f26ebca3da

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

Hmm

You don't have good speed control

For one

Not the biggest fan of hydreigon

Did you get this from bkc's video on dragmag?

[smoky jasper]

... that exists

[astral thistle]

It’s a good video

[upper plume]

It's good but a bit old

Anyway

I'd recommend Scarf latios

And probably not hydreigon

[smoky jasper]

What > Hydreigon

[upper plume]

Probably starmie

Dragmag hates mamoswine more than anything

Don't want to get 6-0'd by a mon that's rising on rain teams

[astral thistle]

You can get around mamo if you use yache on something

And shuca jirachi can help

[upper plume]

Also provides Spin support for nite and kyurem

[onyx cairn]

how am I dealing wit rest zapdos, shit just roars me if I have CM stacks

[topaz sentinel]

Ik I keep asking about dpp ou but can jolly 252 attack/speed for TTar sacrifice some attack for hp? I feel he would he wouldn’t be missing out on any important kills and he could maybe survive an important hit

[reef cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/28cdf8fb31369895

I MADE MY SCOLIPEDE RAIN TEAM

i just need some advice on changes i could make and how to use the team

[short hedge]

Depends what set

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/5472c24014fe4702
I have started to play Gen 3 OU some days ago, and after some battles with a TTS team I have build my own team , what should I change or improve?
(if its possible,without changing slacking for other pokemon, I really like the idea of can use him without nullify his skill,but if it is worse than I though even when he is UUBL, tell me)

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[old iris]

Just too much BL mons to call it viable

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/8ff39c71fd72431a Gen 5 OU anyone?

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak canyon]

Should I change miltank and exeggutor by celebi and snorlax?

[old iris]

You can try to find some teams with magdol structure to see how they look like

Then adapt from them

[peak canyon]

ok , thanks for the help!

Where do i go uu,?

[upper plume]

Gen 9 UU?

[peak canyon]

7

Sorry

I should have

mentioned

other?

I want it to get rated cuz i have a tournament

For g7 uu

[upper plume]

I'd probably ask in UU

[peak canyon]

Huh

#uu

Can u ping the chanel pls

[upper plume]

#1059743348728004678

[upper plume]

• So traditionally, Scizor, Dragonite, and Thundy don't appear on Sand teams because they don't quite take advantage of it, but that isn't necessarily the end of the world.
• Thundurus-T doesn't work here because Sand will just negate Leftovers, especially if you're subbing down. If you want a weapon against rain, then there are other options that aren't a dead slot otherwise. Instead, I'd recommend a Keldeo check in that slot.
• Mamoswine won't be able to take advantage of the Focus Sash because you can't remove hazards or prevent them from going up. I'd recommend Leftovers, Never-Melt Ice, or Life Orb as the item.
• You're missing Stealth Rocks on this team, which you'd ideally like to have to wear down your opponent further. Your best options for rockers are Heatran or Seismitoad or Celebi (should you want to use either of the latter two as your Keldeo check).
• If you are intent on having Dnite on ur team with Sand, I'd probably go Choice Band as a catch-all vs opposing attackers without sacrificing power.
• I probably would make either Heatran or Scizor bulkier so that they can handle Dragon and Psychic attacks.
  -Your team also doesn't like it if your opponent has multiple Ground types, since your Ground immunes are weak to Stealth Rock. This doesn't necessarily need to be changed, but you'll need to be able to force progress on these Ground types in the battle as quickly as possible.
• You could also use a version of this team where you use Exadrill over either Scizor or Heatran, and it could act as a bulky Steel that also provides Rapid Spin. If you do that and you get rid of Scizor, then I'd probably make Tar the bulky Pursuit trapper set.
• I also think Scarf Scizor isn't unreasonable on this team, since it can Pursuit/U-turn Alakazam, unlike Scarf Tyranitar.

Overall not bad but it's moving in a few different directions and should either figure out if it wants to be Sand or Weatherless

[wary kelp]

https://pokepast.es/33d9eea7614213e8 oras Ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

u need removal and ur sets are weird

[potent palm]

https://pokepast.es/b1fc95a34bc56864 gen 8 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[neon raptor]

What were you going for here?

[tacit vigil]

This isn’t stall

[onyx cairn]

dragapult is my favourite staller

[hasty ingot]

I don't think this is salvageable @potent palm. Stall in SS OU needs to be extremely bulky due to the tier's strong ass breakers, so shit like blissey, gking, corvi, defensive dnite, etc. This team isn't stall at all and I'm not sure what the point is

[surreal tusk]

Recently started playing adv ou, decided to branch out from sample teams and try building my own team. I've currently got four mons which I think make sense but I'm not sure where I should go with the last 2 slots or if there's changes that might make sense to go for anyway. https://pokepast.es/d609d98534ec8403

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[polar nacelle]

Damn i have been away for too long

Sorry ill get to all the adv rmts soon

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/993c7490ed837946 made this mega Lopunny team

It’s for gen 7 OU but I forgot to change the format when I made the paste

Shouldn’t be gen 8

Also

I need to change the Lopunny move set

forgot about that

[vast oracle]

rockium z lando + mlop is a wellknown & good offensive core, though i'd suggest adjusting the necessary stuff (chansey with 2 stoss, uturn mlop) and validating the team on the teambuilder beforehand

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent palm]

I suppose to write main core not main stall

I just wanted to rate my team for not going for the team name typo and making it called even though you can see that it's not a full stall I don't know what's your problem man last time I asked too you started being toxic and not guiding but making this kind of mistakes.

[hasty ingot]

I'm sorry?

I don't recall being toxic to you

Either way, rotom-h and togekiss are not viable in SS OU, nor is specs magnezone

It isn't salvageable cause I have no idea what th team is trying to do, what the win condition is, etc, not cause it isn't stall

@potent palm hopefully that makes sense to you

[short hedge]

screenshot or it didn't happen

[hasty ingot]

True

[potent palm]

You didn't even see a single or think about it I could be a new player or started recently so I leave the topic behind I didn't see a tier list what's so ever it's last time as you said you guys don't provide teams you rate it I was just a beginner so I made this team so my Idea was like pokemon supporting each I don't know anything about meta or so my magnezone supports with togekiss and rotom-heat and rotom-heat support with to apex and hippowdon with dragapult and some each support other with the idea of dragapult hex play against physical and toxic spikes with poison stall with switches by making other weaknesses as an advantage to the resistance I know to a pro player like you this is a bad team not on tier list and I just did as you said me last time we don't make team we rate it but I made one with my useless skills and tells you also what's win condition but still you will say that's useless because you are pro and I am a newbie.

[hasty ingot]

If this is the case then I'd suggest playing around with some sample teams on ladder a bit to get a better feel for the metagame

I'm not trying to insult you by what I said, everyone starts somewhere

But do not accuse me of being toxic.

[potent palm]

Then it won't be helpful for me to copy another team that I don't know how to play.

[potent palm]

I can give you message link last time you said me to make your own team and saying you only do rating

[hasty ingot]

Many samples are purposely easy to use so that shouldn't be an issue

[hasty ingot]

Please link me the instance of me being toxic I'm genuinely curious

[potent palm]

Wait then let me scroll it's pretty old if it's saved on recent or not.

[neon plover]

https://pokepast.es/2eb23132ba28d9cc can anyone help me how should I made this team better thx

[hasty ingot]

I'm not an SM rater but iirc mega bee ain't it in SM

Also I guess there were no logs of toxicity, very unfortunate I was due for a laugh

[leaden fiber]

yea these sets rnt good and the synergy is ehhhh

bee zone is cool n all but falters to the two of the top five mons in sm (lando, gliscor)

[worldly walrus]

https://pokepast.es/a7578c4c5a2a027a (BW OU)

Wanted to build specifically around Togekiss, I think it's pretty cool and could even be underrated in BW OU. I'd like to keep it in the team as its built around but but I'd love other suggestions. <3

O yeah togekiss could also need a moveset change Tri Attack > T Wave or fire blast somewhere could be beneficial if my team struggles with anything in particular

[upper plume]

Hope you have a plan for Mamoswine

I also don't think you need all of Scarf Latios, Scarf Drill, and Alakazam

[worldly walrus]

Oh ye I can switch Latios to Colbur/Specs prob

Also every sand team is 6-0ed by mamo its okay /hj

[upper plume]

Your team doesn't quite benefit from Toge well

I don't think you need Scarf on drill tbh

Especially since you have two fast psychics

And a twave togekiss

Oh also

Fighters are also a problem here

[hasty ingot]

This does just seem like you took a good team and replaced a Mon with togekiss making it worse

@upper plume rate my bw OU team

https://pokepast.es/5502f0413f058f0a

Oh wait gems banned

Pretend it is not dark gem keldeo

I made this over a year ago

[worldly walrus]

so i should just try to remake the team?

[upper plume]

Why hp dark in particular?

[hasty ingot]

I mean togekiss just ain't it, its good in UU tho

[hasty ingot]

Better IVs

Than hp ghost

It's just for jelli

[upper plume]

What about grass?

[hasty ingot]

Grass has 30 SpA IVs

[upper plume]

Idk

If hp ivs are that important then go for it

[hasty ingot]

It's not HP the stat

Ghost and grass have lower spa than dark

[upper plume]

But you are gonna have issues vs gastrodon

[hasty ingot]

This is true

We pretend slug does not exist

[upper plume]

Could run ebelt keldeo to lure it

[hasty ingot]

Oh yeh the keldeo needs to be updated anyways since

No gems

[upper plume]

Otherwise team looks solid

Maybe a bit soft vs ph loom

[hasty ingot]

That's partly why we have sludge bomb on tenta

[upper plume]

Ah

[keen salmon]

https://pokepast.es/88c30f6b5e15e865

Gen 3

[leaden fiber]

looks fine ?

smeargle a hard mon to use

seems ok maaayabe agi lum gross > cb ? but im not sure

[vast oracle]

Hi!
MBee is unfortunately unviable in SM OU (awful stab combo, near-nonexistent defensive utility, and opportunity cost of not running a different mega). You'd better off running mega alakazam or mega lopunny if you're looking for a naturally fast pokemon/late-game cleaner, or mega medicham and kyurem-b as physical wallbreakers. However, since this team seems like it’s built around Mbee and looks somewhat well-built fwiw, I'll try to make it work as best as it could possibly be for a Mbee team

Biggest changes would be replacing scarf zone + specs agren to specs zone + scarf kartana instead. Team gets eaten alive by mega alakazam, especially cause nothing outspeeds it. Scarf kartana fixes this issue, and gives you a strong cleaner that appreciates your current offensive core dealing with its checks like tangrowth, zapdos, and skarmory. Scarf magnezone is too slow for a speed control and is only viable on very fat balances (like teams with SD gliscor + chansey + toxapex) where SD Kartana would give them issues, so specs seems better here, gives you another wallbreaker as well. AV magearna over AV tapu lele, gives you a proper steel against psyspam & opposing magearna, another pivot, and alleviates tapu fini from being pressured by agren too much so it can defog more freely. You have specs zone + SD lando + taunt fini for pex, and av mag + fini + lando to switch into priority attacks (agren’s water shuriken, mlops quick attack, weavs ice shard) that would annoy your Mbee and kartana, so dropping lele here is fine

Here's the final team: https://pokepast.es/d8b170cbfcf8038c

Minor changes/details:

• Mbee is realistically never sweeping with fell stinger (hits like a wet noodle and gets revenged so easily). I would suggest pursuit instead; lets you trap the mega lati twins for kartana. Optional, but you can drop some speed just cause its speed tier is quite unique; my spread lets you outspeed scarf bulu, take specs ash grens water shuriken after 1 spikes, and rest in def to improve 2hko rolls from mlop’s fake out.
• SD + Stone edge over rock slide and hp ice on lando-t, cause your SD + zmove from stone edge will hurt landot & gliscor anyways, and dents things like zapdos harder. Also run some speed EVs if you’re going for offensive. I have max/max just to make it easy, but feel free to hit like timid/modest heatran with the rest in bulk if you'd like.
• Tapu fini spread is from the smogdex. You want the speed to beat rocks heatran more easily and stops magearna from setting up

[leaden fiber]

unfortunately 6-0d by zardy

[vast oracle]

Ya most offenses with lando + mag + rotom-w/fini cores are always weak to zardy. just gotta keep rocks up

[leaden fiber]

eh yea

playable

i think u can also try flynium lando here

[vast oracle]

yea, though i value the rockz for birds more

[leaden fiber]

well zap is not the hugest threat to bee esp w rocker and sd roost scor kind of bowls thru the team

but idk just imo

[vast oracle]

mostly for kart. and had to sacrifice some matchups when running mbee anyways

[leaden fiber]

fair enough

[brave gulch]

https://pokepast.es/1530d7e4cd194fca Hey! I'm currently working on a Mega Altaria centric team for Gen 6 OU and I'm having issues with some of my pokemon that don't feel like they're really pulling their weight compared to the rest of the team. I'm heavily considering boxing either Serperior or Crobat but I don't know who I would replace them with. Starmie is a huge issue that I'm dealing with so I was wondering what I could use.

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

team needs kinda major reworks

ur kinda mono lost to mlop

[brave gulch]

Yeah, I'm fairly new to team building and I threw it together in a few minutes to test it out, but I'm kind of stuck on what to do

[leaden fiber]

i'd just play around with sample teams in #1024432517077540904 until u can figure out how to put tgt a team urself

bc this team has many glaring flaws

[brave gulch]

Thanks for being blunt with me. I appreciate it

Although, could you point out some of the major-est ones?

[leaden fiber]

mzam comes in and kills a mon every time, ur only removal is scarf excadrill, u have almost no counterplay into mlop, np thundy kinda beats u, ur offense loses to common stall teams, etc.

[brave gulch]

Yeah, thanks. I appreciate it

[gritty scaffold]

should i change something on my SS team https://pokepast.es/2a0dadf9aab3abad i feel like im preety weak to rain even though id prob would like to add mayb ferro although unsure if i should change here heatran ig i mean my main objeective was just to try use victini

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

u need a water resist yeah

[gritty scaffold]

like i can only treat offensively then

but defensively i just kinda sucks

[orchid tiger]

Might have to go like corv > tran, spdef lando, and colbur bro > buzz

[gritty scaffold]

hm sure ill try that

[orchid tiger]

Also wold go nm Koko here and should be fine

[gritty scaffold]

despite not bein that bulky

i mean ig will work better than dazzling gleam considering is always gonna do dmg that move despite the typing that it faces

[orchid tiger]

You run dgleam still

It’s nm volt dgleam roost

[gritty scaffold]

oo

so i go body press on both corv and bro i assume

[tribal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/06127215c4cda3e6 SS OU

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid tiger]

This lowkey just wants to go slowbro > Fini and torn > dnite not a huge fan of defog Fini in the current meta

Also Fini can screw over the times melmetal wants to toxic

[tribal smelt]

Yeah but the idea of making this team less aggressive feels iffy for me

You're not wrong but it feels like there is something here for these aggressive tempo heavy offenses to abuse that and also isnt the tried and true Torn T melm Bro core

[orchid tiger]

One things for sure you def want a much alternative defogger imo

[tribal smelt]

I think I can keep fini but Dnite goes immediately

From experience I feel like you gain more out of this specific dnite set on spikes

Let me go stare at some alternatives since turning it into a melm tornt bro variant is valid but there is else I can do

What about twave melm, taunt on the fini, dos -> dnite with an aggressive spread?

[orchid tiger]

Yeah that can work

[tribal smelt]

Thought process is dos gives you volt turn + a big dumb stab flying move and since you can tempo trap ferro you also are "safe" vs random toxic 4ths

Plus gives Lele some more room

Thank u for help kisses

[mossy plank]

https://pokepast.es/220a27a9c545d0e1 any suggestions for improving this Mega Gallade team for gen 7 OU? Haven't used it for super long but it feels like it lacks a bit of momentum and is too passive whenever anything but Gallade or Weavile are out, but that could just be poor play/positioning on my part

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[copper gull]

https://pokepast.es/af8824d77b9678c4

special offense focused

[leaden fiber]

lol

this is a sample just use it :P

[copper gull]

yeah

ik

see how i can improve on it

i like to improve on existing teams

[leaden fiber]

samples dont really need to be improvied

thats why they r samples

[copper gull]

oh

ok

sorry

[hasty ingot]

Fini in general is something I've pretty much totally soured on

In SS

Really not a fan of it atm, gives melm free turns, extremely passive, etc

[orchid tiger]

It had its peak usage in wcop 2021 but with volcanion becoming popular and melmetal being so dominant along with easily overwhelmed checking mons it wants to check

[hasty ingot]

Yeh feels like it just can't do much anymore

Tbh I'd only use it on HO which is quite sad for it

My first tour win ever came with cm fini in the pheromosa SS OU meta, sad day for it

[tribal smelt]

I think it has value

[vast oracle]

These sort of offensive teams mostly rely on lando-t + magearna + rotom-w to switch into stuff and pivot out right away to bring in your frail offensive mons, not stay in to do damage (unless you can force damage onto stuff like msciz for example). That being said, these 6 can stay together for sure, just had to change a couple of sets:

• Choice Scarf Tapu Lele, gives you much-needed speed control and can clean up late game easily once weavile and mgall overwhelm and deal with the steels, bulky psychics, and dark types
• SpDef Rotom-W, which is mostly the standard nowadays (alongside mixed spreads), as they have moved away from full physdef. gives you a way to play around volc and z victini which kinda ruins these sort of teams. with 50% berry, you dont need pain split (especially cause you dont aim to play long games), so running status helps stave off stuff; wisp helps you punish mons like mega pert and kartana, while twave is for volc, zardx, and victini
• Defensive Z-Fly Lando-T, lets you check hawlucha, ohko volc, and still hits zardX if they opt to not mega evolve yet
  Final team: https://pokepast.es/2344747f3e05edc7
  If there's certain mons/archetype/matchups that gives you trouble on the original team or just any issues regarding the team, feel free to ask q's

[deft pine]

Hey! I'm a bit new here (and new to teambuilding) and I was wondering if there was any suggestions for my gen 7 OU https://pokepast.es/9c1773e4125c984c I feel there are many flaws but I'm not sure what they are (this is for doubles btw)

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast oracle]

uh i know nothing about sm dou, probably better to drop it in #1059655497587888158 or #1060682530094862477

[deft pine]

ok

ty

[unborn solstice]

broke 1500s in dpp ou 🔥🔥🔥

been really getting into gen 4 so this is great

[copper gull]

https://pokepast.es/84742cf7cf1c5217

look at this

[tribal smelt]

Congratulations!

[unborn solstice]

i’ll tell you, i don’t know how clef isn’t ou. magic guard protecting from full para is insane, literally no status matters

i have counters to it but it’s been consistently tough on me bc if it comes in late game it’s difficult for me to get any ground

oh i just looked it up i forgot abt tier freezes 😭😭

[leaden fiber]

^^

[copper gull]

@leaden fiber hi zerkas

still dont know what gen i should play

[flint ridge]

Gen 9!

[tacit vigil]

gen 10 if real

[upper plume]

it's not ou because it wasn't when dpp was current gen

it wasn't when dpp was current gen because at the time, it was seen as worse than blissey

but then after dpp ended as the current gen, passive damage became more prevalent and clefable became more and more used

[unborn solstice]

yeahhhh i mentioned i totally forgot abt freeze tiers. i think it wouldn’t be as much used if it didn’t also block full para

[mossy plank]

yo sorry for the late reply, I really appreciate your help! I'll make some of these changes and test the team out more

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/01042273480fe7f8 Slowbro team

[opal beacon]

Post ur team in the nat dex ou thread

For now I will post it and tag u as well so u can find it ezily

[leaden fiber]

i believe it's meant to be a sm team

[opal beacon]

Wait this looks sm

[hazy grotto]

yea it’s SM

[opal beacon]

Yea Lol I just saw the mons

[hazy grotto]

I forgot to change the tier

[opal beacon]

Team looks good to me

[burnt python]

https://pokepast.es/3874b904a6d31def I need help with building this, I'm trying to build a hyper offensive team however the only source of my gen 5 competitive knowledge is FSG. So it's limited.

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

well first of all you are missing two pokes

we'll typically help with only completed teams

but from what it looks at the moment

magnezone doesn't really work on hyper offense

as for improving your team without our help (since we won't always be available)

the smogon forums have an immense number of resources for teambuilding

[upper plume]

ok to clarify, magnezone and volcarona don't work together

mag removes ferrothorn, skarmory, and jirachi

which are all pokemon that volcarona sets up on

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/04e2ef8c8781e72d made this team a while back wondering if I can get some opinions on it

[vast oracle]

never got pinged on the sm teams huh

[vast oracle]

The most common MBro team currently (especially cm variants) generally feature double trap support with weavile + scarf zone, like this 6: https://pokepast.es/70a0a176ffdb3b27
so your team is a different approach than what i know, but i'll try to make it work:

Ferro > Tang. i know you want the triple regen but ferro gives you spikes to make these sort of builds force progress easily, which also enhances clef's wallbreaking (chips down heatran and offensive steels like exca & scarf rachi)
Lando-t > Chomp. I dont see the z-dragon garchomp synergy here. I'd rather use scarf lando-t to provide speed control, outspeeding Mzam that currently devours your team. runs superpower to bonk kart and ferro and punishment for bulky CM-ers like reuni and mlati, all of which helps your cm MBro
Z heatran > spdef heatran. With the dropping of z garchomp & ferro on the team, i think you can afford to go offensive on heatran just to help overwhelm mlati and pressure stuff like opposing ferro and cm/heart swap mag more easily
Final team: https://pokepast.es/c2e3bac9763aa092
i have minor optimization on some of the sets. feel free to ask any q's

[vast oracle]

Idk what the msciz & pex ev spread does specifically here, but this team looks fine. I have some minor suggestions though:

• volt > uturn on koko. the whole point of shuca pivot sets is you take the ground move from scarf lando-t and other grounds so you can remove them with hp ice, allowing you to freely volt throughout the game afterwards. lets you pivot out of things like heatran and ferro with bigger chunk of dmg
• gunk shot > drain punch on hoopau. lets you bonk fairies like clef fini for your zkommo in the back
• optional but eject button > black slude on pex. I kinda see why it's useful defensively here, but pex can be a bit of a momentum-sink on offenses like these so eject button lets you pivot once to bring hoopau in on mons like opposing pex chansey rotom-w etc

[neon raptor]

https://pokepast.es/78b5215c66f99ecb
SS OU. Wanted to try LeleZam.

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

@prisma pulsar can you give them your team

[prisma pulsar]

uh

i mean theres is fine lol

mine is p bad

[burnt python]

https://pokepast.es/8534cae6efd292c9 how's this? (Gen 5 OU)

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt, @upper plume. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

Do you still want this to be hyper offense?

[leaden fiber]

the bot only pings once every 6h

[upper plume]

It also needs you to say that the format is sm ou/gen 7 ou

[neon plover]

https://pokepast.es/bbd27a19051717b2 gen 8 ou

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[neon plover]

https://pokepast.es/4add937c8e7ff476 gen 8 ou also which one is better

[unborn solstice]

nothing can

ever describe this feeling

[unborn solstice]

i love this dragonite

[onyx cairn]

https://pokepast.es/6d28a4614db4b844 advou, can't come up with a 6th might need to switch some mons around but not sure, suggestions?

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

spinner

also roar skarm please

[onyx cairn]

lol whats the difference

[leaden fiber]

ww + drill peck is not compatible

[onyx cairn]

starmie? seems to fit well in terms of coverage

[leaden fiber]

if ur running ww they will know u dont have dp

if mie then it probably has to be bold

bc ddtar check is super ? rn

[onyx cairn]

what ev spread is ideal?

also assuming that 6, is there anything I should be changing to deal with shit

[leaden fiber]

Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 192 Def / 32 SpD / 32 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Rapid Spin
• Recover
• Surf
• Thunder Wave

@polar nacelle appreciate any help

[onyx cairn]

@leaden fiber struggling to deal with suicune any ideas

[leaden fiber]

for rest talk sets just knock it asap get a spike down and roar it out as much as possible

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/53bf9713c19d08e0

@vast oracle this is a bit silly ik

just taking this to rmt so it doesnt clog chat

[vast oracle]

this feels like a poor mans version of the diavolcmageserp core LOL

[tropic schooner]

kinda is but trust me its better cuz more heat

[vast oracle]

i'd go for more offensive imo

remove tang and glisc fs

[tropic schooner]

removing tang for serp makes kart mu kinda bad

ig i could do

chomp zapdos

[vast oracle]

you need a way to overwhelm pex

atm it just sits on your offense

[tropic schooner]

yea so zapdos

right

[vast oracle]

and

i hate to say this

but the volcanion...

[tropic schooner]

yea yea it can go for washer

umm wash lando + dragon

ig kommo

eq kommo looks nice

yea i like kommo act

snipe the fairies with mabsol

run no pjab on kommo

[vast oracle]

kommonium z or sd kommo-o?

[tropic schooner]

both prob work

sd might be nicer with z elec

to snipe fini

[vast oracle]

for pex as well, good for volc

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/81ae226faf479e16

bop

beautiful

[vast oracle]

make kommo ice punch over rocks, give lando rocks over defog, and rotomw defog over split

scarf rocks is awful but we compress

[tropic schooner]

its fineee its lando it can do whatever the fuck

[short hedge]

I think this team needs some weather control. Hidden power on forry is interesting is go with explosion and maybe agility / nasty plot on thund

[warped venture]

https://pokepast.es/f00dee56b93e6f8b
SS OU

[karmic geyser]

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[warped venture]

Basically
Banded Buzzy

Pult/Heatran MU is scary, but that's a common theme I've noticed with most of my newer teams.

[hasty ingot]

Slowking > Slowbro imo

And make Koko madness + gleam + volt switch + roost

To chip opposing lando

[warped venture]

Makes sense

[hasty ingot]

You don't need bro really I think with buzz and Ferro on the team

Slowking means you have an extra pivot on pult + heatran is no longer a worry

I'd also probably suggest just going full SpD on landorus

Cause yeah pult is a problem

You can scout with slowking tho at least

[warped venture]

tbh I don't entire remember what the PDef was for, but that does work.

[hasty ingot]

People forget that dlc 1

Slowking was maybe the best Mon in the tier

And it's still good in actual SS

Mon is very silly

[warped venture]

oh I didn't forget Slowking
I was just weary abt smth like Vic also being a scary MU.
Probs not common enough to be super worried abt it tho.

[hasty ingot]

Just don't give it free turns

[gritty scaffold]

SS https://pokepast.es/0a5638049128ac6e ive tried to build bisharp balance team although unsure if i can use him on that type of playstyle with that bein said what should i change

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[hasty ingot]

I do agree with your assessment that bush doesn’t exactly work on this type of playstyle

I could see bulky dd dragonite instead of it

And make chomper SpD

Always cool to see a zera team

I struggle to use that mon effectively but it’s pretty decent

[gritty scaffold]

oo

alr then

kinda wonder though why reuni has a set for ou on ss its even gud there?

[neon raptor]

It does alright.

[orchid tiger]

A lot of mons that aren’t in ou still have a niche in it

[gritty scaffold]

oh

[woeful pumice]

https://pokepast.es/3812d3be10111fd7

first attempt at oras

ended up doing scarf exca over starmie

[leaden fiber]

questionable vile mu

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/1439a6b73b9ed828

Mega Latias team

[leaden fiber]

@vast oracle

[woeful pumice]

what fix

doe

[leaden fiber]

no clue

[woeful pumice]

bullet punch gross .

[leaden fiber]

i cant build oras, i can only play

[woeful pumice]

but i kinda wanna keep pursuit

[leaden fiber]

lol

[tacit vigil]

I thought this meant vileplume

and who says weavile as vile

[leaden fiber]

me

i should learn oras we're in dire need of raters

but like.

[vast oracle]

ooo gastro, the abr special
Lele feels out of place here and you dont need the speed control either. I'd lean into the more defensive aspect and slot in heart swap magearna for a dark resist (lets you check ashgren alongside gastro) and an answer to CM-ers like reuni, lo clef, mlati, and magearna that can be annoying for your own mlati's sweep (especially cause they're not as scared of haze pex and your gastro doesn't run clear smog).

minor changes:
-ice beam over tbolt on mlati, lets you check gliscor and pressures opposing mlati.
-eq over earth power on gastro, deals with spdef heatran and magearna (av/cm/heartswap) better.
-taunt over toxic & offensive sets for heatran, pressure msab teams and breaks down stuff like chansey and pex harder for mlati (especially cause you already have toxic gastro + tspikes pex). You can afford offensive sets here cause the team has covered most stuff that it checks (i.e. volc, zardy, lele, mzam, magearna).

Final team: https://pokepast.es/8b6487e5a104b7dc
Edit: Forgot to change heatran’s item, should be firium z

[peak canyon]

https://pokepast.es/744507cf02994542
Mlati team, I am keeping mglo clef regardless of how much she nay or may not work with the team

As for the others, idrc

[vast oracle]

Will there ever be an sm team without Mlati smh...

[vast oracle]

I looked through this team earlier today but since you seem to want to keep LO clef, i'll try to adjust it that way this time xd

If you're not going the full-on voltturn route with rotom-w, torn-t, and magearna (which i generally prefer), Spikes is therefore crucial for LO clef, punishes forced switches and chips down heatran, pex, magerana, and gren. Ferrothorn fits the team well, gives another steel for psyspam, provides leech seed for heatran, and improves the rain matchup. starmie is unfortunately unviable anyways so we aint losing much
Even though mlati + glisc + pex is the standard, i prefer running scarf Landorus-t here instead; gives you a speed control, a defogger, a soft check to physical attackers like zardx, mttar, and mmedi to compensate the lack of bulk on clef, and deals with CM reuniclus and mlati with punishment for your own mlati

some minor changes:
-Thunder over tbolt on clef, 252+ SpA Life Orb Clefable Thunder vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 156-185 (51.3 - 60.8%) -- 91.4% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery. also spreads para on stuff, especially on heatran
-Tspikes over toxic on pex, supports your mlati better by punishing pursuit trappers like weavile and mttar, and just generally good against offensive teams with stuff like serp, koko, and lele
-Icium z on pex. since we dropped gliscor, the heatran matchup can be a bit problematic; z-haze lets you beat trapper heatran more easily, as it gives you the burst in recovery that bypasses taunt, among many other applications of it ofc. lets you take on cb weavile better as well!

Final team: https://pokepast.es/723de9c979eee59c

feel free to toy with pex ev's btw, you can definitely afford to run some mixed sets

[peak canyon]

spikes
defog

Wew

[gritty scaffold]

unsure if i can send about rby tradebacks here but ive made here one team https://pokepast.es/ccfec30bd0da2755

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[night bridge]

pretty good team, main comment is that you’re a bit lacking in answers to a well played reflax depending on set but counter lax can still win that if played right (you want your lax to get in first, slam their lax on entry, slam again as they reflect or hit you, counter on the next hit)

you might run reflect toss chansey if you want to shore that up but ladder is full of LK lax and Persian so it can be a little tricky

i don’t think any changes are mandatory but you could do that, you could also go hbeam over EQ on your lax and trust Egg Zam Bull to handle opposing Gengar and Rhydon

[gritty scaffold]

oo

alr then

i just felt like without bolt beam chansey i would be mayb vulnurable to stuff like starmie andd slowbro

[reef cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/fa9add89cee660fd gen 7 ou team! its a team i got advice on, though i’d like to ensure that its as good as it can be or it it requires me to change some aspects of my team

[karmic geyser]

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[vast oracle]

Whats wrong w it? makes you more flexible ingame + landot last moveslot is pretty open anyways

[peak canyon]

Dunno, just thought taking all the time putting up spikes and just

Getting rid of em

Seems bad

[vast oracle]

More often than not you’ll force their own defog, but having a backup on teams like this is always nice. Like preventing your own ferro & heatran from crumbling to spikes when you cant put them up yourself etc

Again, being more flexible ingame + landot last moveslot is very free, so the opportunity cost isn’t that high

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/970cc242506fa29a mega bro semi stall

I prolly might use brave bird over iron head on Skarm

[hazy grotto]

@vast oracle

[vast oracle]

i think i rated a mega bro team awhile back, was it yours?

either way, i'll take a look at this team (and the one above) when i'm a bit more free and if no one else did

[hazy grotto]

What was the team like

[vast oracle]

the one with LO clef

[vast oracle]

ya this one

[hazy grotto]

oh that

[desert heart]

I got this in gen 8
https://pokepast.es/a37877266507d29c

[karmic geyser]

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[desert heart]

I want to see if there are any issues I need to change

[reef cobalt]

i was wondering if i should opt for an assault vest set for magearna, or if the set i have currently is fine as it is (its a variation of calm mind and pain split without fairium z since volcarona already has a z crystal)

im also open to other changes for the rest of my pokemon’s sets and species, etc

[vast oracle]

• Big change is probably rotom-w over pex to give you a mpert check, a pivot, and potential defogger. generally fits better on these sort of offenses where pex can be a momentum sink, especially cause you have plenty of hazard control that tspikes shouldnt be an issue that u need pex to absorb it
• stealth rock on mdiancie, best rocker in these structures (especially cause u lead it most of the time to set rocks + mega evolve right away to bounce theirs)
• scarf on landot for speed control (can drop defog cause you have plenty of hazard control)
• consider taunt on torn-t over defog if you feel that mdiancie + defog rotom-w is enough

[vast oracle]

Volc item is pretty flexible, you can have fairium z on magearna (gives you a better check to weavile as well!) and give volc either lum or 50% berry

so something like this: https://pokepast.es/8dce3a21a7058bd9

You can go the av magearna route as well for sure. If that's the case, i'd remove torn-t and add specs lele (on the updated team) just to fit better on a more offensive team and a way to pressure fat structures that you missed out on by dropping cm split mag. also helps to deal with pex and ovewhelm heatran for volc etc

[vast oracle]

Heart swap magearna over cm reuni. Gives you a dark-resist (deals with ashgren alongside gastro and a way to play around pursuit-ers), a soft check to the giant threat known as kyu-b, a spdef steel for psyspam, and a way to thwart off opposing CM-ers that can be annoying for your Mbro and ditto can't reliably beat. Runs heal bell cause your Mbro and gastro hates status (esp toxic), and with normalium z gives you a way to fully heal (compensates for pain split's poor consistency)

minor changes:
-** full physdef mbro** for stuff like mmedi and zardx, enough speed for pex that would otherwise haze your boosts, and psyshock to beat opposing CM-ers
-eq on gastro, stronger hit against spdef heatran and magearna
-hp ground on ditto, lets you counter-trap magnezone that tries to prey on your double steel teammates (especially cause skarm will inevitably get knocked by stuff it's supposed to check, like weavile kart glisc)
final team: https://pokepast.es/3dfe5563f5cb7748

[reef cobalt]

thank you so much!

[gritty scaffold]

Is tangrowth still gud on SS?

[flint ridge]

it’s meh

works on some teams

[hazy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/bfd585bddd1a75f9 mega Gyarados team

I might use ice fang over crunch to hit bulu better

On Gyarados

[peak canyon]

Question

Why 36 spe sassy

what are you trying to outspeed

the pivot might work if it’s sassy ig but why the 36 spe

[hazy grotto]

It’s smogon set

Let me check

Also torn is suppose to be Rocky helm

It’s for iron head damage

And outspeeds uninvested Clefable

[reef cobalt]

also, as a general guideline, landorus can be used early game to u turn around, correct? and when would be the best times to use rotom wash in general as well as its defog (early mid or lategame)?

[peak canyon]

I ic

[peak canyon]

imo it’s better early mid

But it can also just be thrown around to tank whatever

For some reason I have 6 different rotom sets that are all physically bulky and they can switch into just about anything because of the typing and levitate

the only real downside is that it doesn’t have good recovery

Torna has u turn regenerator

And decent bulk

[gritty scaffold]

anyonte to rate lgpe ou https://pokepast.es/998b15bfb4b2d793 idk if mega zam is gud but ive tried to make a team with it

[karmic geyser]

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[cyan ether]

mega zam is widely considered the single best mega in lgpe ou by pretty much everyone

[gritty scaffold]

oo

[cyan ether]

not running shadow ball is entirely unviable though

[gritty scaffold]

oo alr then

[cyan ether]

it's your best damage on mew, melmetal, alolan dugtrio, and opposing zam

which are all top pokemon

i also wouldn't recommend putting rocks on alolan dug, it's generally an awkward rocker

[gritty scaffold]

oh

so mayb i should change dug or somethin to set rocks?

[cyan ether]

I'll write out a few changes

• Mew: Stealth Rock > Wisp, reliable rocks is very important for Zam teams and Mew is the reliable rocker
• Zam: Shadow Ball > Recover, you almost never get a chance to click Recover in a useful way while CM can secure some endgame sweeps
• Poliwrath: Seismic Toss > Earthquake, EQ is very niche coverage while Seismic Toss + Toxic can wear things down very nicely
• Zapdos: Reflect > Drill Peck, Drill Peck is mostly for beating Zapdos which this team isn't worried about and Dug which this team isn't especially weak to, Reflect helps compensate for losing Wisp on Mew
• Dug: Substitute > Stealth Rock, Sub lets you punish Zapdos way harder if you get in on it safely as you don't have to predict switchins correctly
• Snorlax: idk if Snorlax is a great fit here, feels quite random and the set isn't really ideal either. Would probably advise Cloyster with the analysis Shell Smash set, helps break the opponent down for Zam to win or vice versas

wait actually

just realised no melmetal

snorlax should become melm, no team should drop melm

I'd go jolly melm here so you can reliably get eq damage on opposing melm in the lategame to win with zam

probably double iron bash ice punch eq twave

[gritty scaffold]

alr thanks eve

[cyan ether]

or tpunch > twave

no problem!

[reef cobalt]

so would tornadus be good for the later stages or throughout the game?

im assuming that diancie and landorus can work as leads, while tornadus and rotom are primarily pivots, and magearna and volcarona are saved for late game once hazards are gone to set up and such

landorus can u turn to tornadus, rotom, and magearna, and such, as all have good bulk im assuming?

i ask if landorus can be a lead due to intimidate and u turn into diancie or a defog user

[peak canyon]

Imo torna is good through the game

it literally recovers every time it u-turns meaning it’s usually gonna heal more than SR damage

[peak canyon]

It definetly can

I mean

you don’t always want to switch into a defog especially if ur Lando set up rocks but it does work as a lead pivoting into something else

[reef cobalt]

okay! thanks!

[reef cobalt]

is this statement correct btw?

with tornadus and rotom being pivots, and magearna and volcarona being used late ga,e to set up

i think magearna can also be a pivot but it seems like it primarily wants to set up calm mind and use pain split for recovery

[reef cobalt]

yeah of course!

[peak canyon]

more or less, yes

i don't really play with setup sweepers other than serp because i am terrible with them other than cosmic power charge beam stored power clefable so you're probably better off asking someone else ab the megearna/volc

but torna and rotom are definetly good pivots

[reef cobalt]

gotcha!

[reef cobalt]

are magearna and volcarona best saved for lategame? i know magearna can switch into attacks and heal with pain split, but im assuming volcarona is best for later in the game and once hazards are gone

i know that diancie deals a lot of damage early game and prevents hazards, and landorus deals damage through u turn and switching primarily early game

[reef cobalt]

also for the pivots, they can also be used to deal damage and not just switch in and then out, correct? like tornadus using s supereffective hurricane or rotom using hydro pump, etc

[peak canyon]

yes

you don't always want ot switch out

rotom and tornadus have decent offenesive stats

[gritty scaffold]

so ive tried to make a SS team with tangrowth although unsure if is just completely unviable now bc of ferrothorn ig https://pokepast.es/75e9c21a93d85c6d ping reply pls

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[vast oracle]

Yea, but depending on the matchup you can use one to break for the other, like overwhelming heatran and pex etc

Cm split magearna being the only answer to psyspam is a bit iffy, thats why rotom-w runs spdef to help alleviate the ash gren issue a bit (among other things)

This is why I like the av mag + specs lele build better, the former a better answer to psyspam & agren while the latter gives you an immediate wallbreaker in these sort of voltturn teams. Makes you weaker to kart, but you can either slap on hpfire on landot or just abuse scarf variants as setup fodder for volc. Your call, feel free to play around it more

[vast oracle]

Why is there a boots torn on my sm team

[orchid tiger]

Go specs pult, cb ttar, zapdos > lando, and Spin drill

[orchid tiger]

They cooked to hard

[gritty scaffold]

kk alr thank

[hazy grotto]

I forgot to change it

[hazy grotto]

Almost burnt it

[gritty scaffold]

but isnt zapdos supposed to defog?

[hazy grotto]

Wdym “my”

[orchid tiger]

You can afford drill spinning here tbh and go more offensive oriented

[hazy grotto]

Did you make a similar team

[orchid tiger]

Could help out drill having that speed boost as well outside of sun

Sand*

[gritty scaffold]

oh

but so do i still go with defog? actually kinda thought on weather ball tho

[vast oracle]

The kitchen cant handle it..

[hazy grotto]

😭

[orchid tiger]

Na you can go something cool like toxic volt cane roost

[gritty scaffold]

oo

[vast oracle]

Nah, more like “i’ll probably going to rate this sm team”

[orchid tiger]

Crippling other birds and things that can road block drill can be dope

[gritty scaffold]

i see

[vast oracle]

I assume tornt is helmet?

[hazy grotto]

ye

also

Rain a bit of an issue tbh

I could play around it

[vast oracle]

Either way, team looks a lot like that xtrashine electric terrain offense https://pokepast.es/76c1446373c66c1c

I’ll look into yours a bit more later

[hazy grotto]

Ok

[vast oracle]

Rain is always problematic for offense so it’s whatever

[hazy grotto]

my inspiration was more of end games mega Gyarados offense but I guess it does look that Xtra HO

[vast oracle]

Ya, cause if you look at that team mmedi specs koko and kb are explosive wallbreaker for lucha to clean lategame

[leaden fiber]

isnt xtrashine ho the one with the

scarf koko

[hazy grotto]

no

That one using specs

[vast oracle]

Yours only has zrock chomp (which usually focuses more on setting up rocks) so mgyra & lucha will have trouble sweeping

[leaden fiber]

diff version

[reef cobalt]

so i replace tornadus with tapu lele then, correct?

the rest of the pokemon would stay the same, i assume?

other than hidden power fire on landorus

[reef cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/40aae162c1015548

how is this team? i changed what you recommended, though i’d like to see if i got anything incorrect or if i need to change anything else!

lele is used more early and mid game to make holes and deal a lot of damage to the opposing team, correct? diancie also deals a lot of damage while setting up stealth rocks, while a lead landorus can bring in lele through u turn, diancie for magic bounce, or bring in rotom for defog and voltturn i assume?

i think rotom can be used as a pivot sometimes, while i imagine magearna is another pivot or switch in thanks to its special defense

landorus, rotom, and magearna can be used at any stage, right? like landorus can act as a revenge attacker as well as a sort of pivot, while rotom and magearna can switch in and deal damage or switch out with volt switch

[leaden fiber]

pokemon is simple

switch in pkmn that needs to check pkmn

[vast oracle]

make mdiancie hasty & diamond storm to pressure zardY and tornt better. originally hp ice to hit spdef gliscor for cm magearna but that wont be necessary now. iron head on magearna over ice beam to hit the CM-ers harder. feel free to run a zmove on volc as well

[leaden fiber]

if greninja is in, go mage, if lando is in, go washtom, etc. its just about knowing interactions

[vast oracle]

you can play around with boom/defog on lando over edge

[vast oracle]

these sort of offensive teams rely on them to switch into things and pivot into the offensive mons, as just the 3 of them kinda check a huge portion of the metagame. they give multiple opportunity to pivot in your specs lele to wallbreak, mdia to set up rocks, or volc to set up and sweep

for examples you switch your rotom-w to take the hit from the opposing lando-t. next turn, they're forced out by u so they switch into ferro, which lets you click volt into your volc, giving you the better position now

or magearna switching into mega alakazam, and they get forced out to switch into pex, which lets you volt into your specs lele to click

[reef cobalt]

i see! is landorus also a pivot, or is it more of a lead thanks to intimidate and u turn?

[hazy grotto]

both

there is a suicide lead set for it

[leaden fiber]

depends on set ye, in this case its rker and pivots in

[vast oracle]

in this team, lando is mostly a pivot that can provide speed control

cause you wanna lead mdia most of the time anws

[reef cobalt]

oh, so thats where i heard that from then!

[leaden fiber]

u could do scarf defog lando here btw

and then remove fog from washtom

[reef cobalt]

so this landorus is more of a pivot then! gotcha

[leaden fiber]

less more about mon, more abt set

[reef cobalt]

would that be good? or would it be best to keep both just in case

[vast oracle]

rotom-w lando mag moveset are very customizeable

you can make rotomw twave to have better insurance against opposing victini and volc etc

[leaden fiber]

and zardx

[vast oracle]

or this

[leaden fiber]

zardx looks like a threat ngl

ig u force it to kill itself

[hazy grotto]

Haven’t seen HP fire Lando in a while

[reef cobalt]

so i should replace will o wisp on rotom with thunderwave? or use them both together on one set?

[vast oracle]

if you're afraid of zardx

run this lando spread

32 HP / 152 Atk / 128 Def / 196 Spe jolly

[leaden fiber]

im not sold on fire lando tbh

[vast oracle]

speed for mzam, attack to kill it with uturn after rocks, and bulk to live zardx flare blitz after rocks

[hazy grotto]

I have never seen anyone use it ever

[vast oracle]

for kart, which lando mag rotomw cores struggle with

[leaden fiber]

its on kart weak teams

[hazy grotto]

yea ik

just rare to see someone use it

[reef cobalt]

should i opt for jolly, or for naive to boost hidden power fire?

[vast oracle]

more of an option to illustrate their flexibility

jolly

[reef cobalt]

gotcha!

[vast oracle]

you still ohko kart with hp fire

you'll rarely ever need it to hit things like msciz cause you have volc and wisp rotomw

[reef cobalt]

should i replace stone edge with defog then? and replace rotom’s own defog with something like pain split?

[reef cobalt]

also for this set, i use choice scarf, correct?

[leaden fiber]

it depends on what ur willing to accept weaknesses to

[vast oracle]

yea still scarf, you need the speed control

[leaden fiber]

like twave -> wisp on tom is for mons like zardx but it makes u weaker to sdchomp

for example

[reef cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/444d14639fdfda5e

how is this team then?

any other changes i should make? im not fully sure on psychic or focus blast on tapu lele for example

[leaden fiber]

looks fine, b careful vs rona

[vast oracle]

just hope they're not giga drain and keep mdia healthy lel

[leaden fiber]

yeah, classic sm stuff

rona rona rona

[reef cobalt]

im still not aure on defog for rotom or landorus, so some help there is appreciated!

[vast oracle]

looks good. feel free to use boom or defog over edge on lando-t. minor stuff but make 4spd on mdia to attack and 31 attack on magearna

you can do both honestly

lando moveslot is pretty customizeable and only require eq and uturn

[reef cobalt]

what about tapu lele?

is its moveset fine as it is? or should i opt for different changes, like hidden power fire over psychic or focus blast, etc

[vast oracle]

you dont need hp fire, msciz is covered by volc and wisp rotomw

focus lets you bonk heatran harder for volc

the set is fine as is dw

[reef cobalt]

okay!

and magearna’s hidden power fire is fine? or should i use ice beam or something else like that?

[leaden fiber]

hpfire is fine ye

[vast oracle]

ya, lets you chip steels down for lele and mdia. if the opposing magearna turns out to be cm, just iron head it down

[reef cobalt]

and buginium z is good for volcarona, or should i opt for a different z crystal?

[vast oracle]

volc will always be good regardless of the item

bug z is fine

[leaden fiber]

bug gives u important neutral kills on most stuff

[vast oracle]

hits victini harder as well, which is a big ass threat

be careful of z-celeb sets

[reef cobalt]

i see!

https://pokepast.es/300458fc2e2a7ab2

okay, here’s the team with some of the edits that were suggested

how does the team look now?

[vast oracle]

looks good

[reef cobalt]

also when you say provide speed control, its via its held choice scarf? or a move like rock tomb?

[leaden fiber]

scarf

speed control usually just means fast mon or strong prio, like mlop

or scarfers

[reef cobalt]

gotcha!

actually, ill choose to use explosion over defog on landorus

for rotom though, it can use defog on any stage of the game to get rid of hazards, correct? or is it best to get rid of hazards in the early game or as soon as possible?

[leaden fiber]

fog when hazards are up and its safe

depending on who is rocking u can make some mindgames with diancie