#Old Gens OU

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midnight ember
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So I picked the first two that I could think of

tribal smelt
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This is fine at a glance, but your sets are not ideal

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And your IVs and ways to maintain a win are... Not ideal.

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The first I will point to is to copypaste the sets shown correlated to the mons in their Dex since they exist for a reason

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And when designing teams like this (Corv + GWF + deal with electrics) you sort of have to build the thing around the fine edge where the team can pilot versus Kartana, can feasibly force out Lele (through chip or clicking good moves whenever possible) and is not immediately ruined by the prospect of a Weavile + Magnezone taking out the Corviknight and running through your team.

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It feels like whenever you post an SS team here it looks alright at a quick glance then you might have some misunderstanding of how the generation plays in comparison to its sister generations. Which is entirely fine and expected but it becomes hard for people to try and rate since they sort of have to dedicate time to explain why something simple like Ice Beam Fini does not work in SS.

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So while a cop out, look for an SS sample similar to the core idea, see how it plays, make changes as you see fit. Interaction beats the books here especially for a gen with some weird documentation like SS.

balmy willow
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can guarantee 2hko

tribal smelt
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...?

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You have water stab my friend

balmy willow
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scald doesn't do the trick

tribal smelt
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Then run Hydro Pump

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Or invested surf

balmy willow
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alright ok

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so your saying ice beam is just bad on fini?

tribal smelt
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Yes. And again, sort of ties into this point

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".. Which is entirely fine and expected but it becomes hard for people to try and rate since they sort of have to dedicate time to explain why something simple like Ice Beam Fini does not work in SS."

hasty ingot
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Ice beam isn't awful on fini

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The main issue I see with this team is two things

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  1. There's no defined win condition, which is an absolute must-have in SS
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  1. There's no speed on this team at all
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Ditching corv for torn helps with the last bit

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I'd also look at bulky SD rillaboom over band

warped venture
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Wait isn't the minimum speed threshold Weavile?

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Or did I miss smth.

hasty ingot
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Not really

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There's some pretty successful balance teams with fastest Mon torn

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The team I'm referencing is x-ray's blaziken BO tho

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Which ofc has a blaziken and so speed is a little bit less of a concern

warped venture
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Might've just been my Weavile paranoia telling me that then.

hasty ingot
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I'd probably replace the Fini with slowbro

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It's not a bad mindset by any means

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Some teams can afford to underspeed it

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I was gonna suggest as well melm > rotom

warped venture
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Makes sense
anyway, sorry to barge in, just wanted clarification, carry on.

hasty ingot
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Cause melm + terrain is usually enough to deal with weav

tribal smelt
hasty ingot
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Nah it's a good question

hasty ingot
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Adamant weav hits 349

tribal smelt
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Yeah sorry. Moreso that 352 is nice since it means you also cover random 110s

hasty ingot
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What 110s

tribal smelt
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Pff Tios Gar any Blaceph Kart, I think the Torn T sample has it at 168+ and it is what I usually slap in

hasty ingot
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I'd rather go slow to pivot after other torns than rando prep for specs latios

tribal smelt
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(Any blaceph is a stretch.)

hasty ingot
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Blaceph and kart are not 110...

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Blace hits 344

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Kart is 348

tribal smelt
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348, then you go to 350, then the step up is 352. Feels very weird to hone in on

hasty ingot
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What?

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350 is for kart and adamant weavile

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But you don't wanna go faster so that you can underspeed or speed tie opposing torn in the ditto

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Which is way more likely than facing latios

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Don't matter too much but yeh I'm pretty sure 350 is optimal

tribal smelt
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And with 352 you outpace 110s for fast knocks..? I am also being pretty fat/stall biased here

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Like just about all Torn T teams I have been given and piloted have sat at 168+

hasty ingot
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Again, what 110s lol

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There's no 110s in the meta

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Not a huge difference but

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Your reasoning doesn't make sense

tribal smelt
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If I get fast knock, on everything up to 110, on the dot, thats a good thing
And you're not wrong on slow pivot in the mirror being incredibly valuable but it feels like I have not once read a Torn T example team in recent that uses anything but 168 EVs

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I'll also go stare at the samples so I am not like. Dumb.

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Ok yeah, no, this is me being right but also dumb: Two different EV spreads for entirely different sorts of teams

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Xrays RillaBlaziken BO TornT does 164, Baloors BO with AV TornT does 168

hasty ingot
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168 iirc is just a relic from older gens

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@sweet vine ur famous

balmy willow
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alr ty guys for ratings & advice

sweet vine
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Baloor

sweet vine
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i put mine to outspeed something that was 351 as well

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i forgot what that was at this time

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ik i wanted to outspeed opposing torn

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that were running slow

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too

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since that was popular

sage hamlet
karmic geyserBOT
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rare token
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suit > pjab on cb weav

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make heatran max speed max spa if you are going to run grass z on it

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otherwise it should be leftovers

hazy grotto
sage hamlet
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She's been giving me a lot of trouble

rare token
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pjab doesnt really help the mu against fini

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its not 2hkoing

leaden fiber
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cb pjab will 2hko but also u have kart clef grass tran i dont see issue.....

naive stump
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I will rate it later

hazy grotto
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Forgot to ping

gritty scaffold
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night bridge
# gritty scaffold anyone to rate my RBY molt team ive changed some sets and mons https://pokepast....

This is certainly a lot more coherent (triple psychic is obviously really solid) but I guess my main question is what you’re doing once opposing lax is in, since you have nothing to absorb it or pivot. That said I like the aggression overall and think it should be far easier to do what you need with this compared to the prior iteration. I’d try it out and see how it goes before changing further but some potential changes/techs that may help some problems if you run into any:

Hbeam lax helps with beating through an opposing mon before having to boom it, but counter is a very nice anti lax tech if they switch into you; you slam them on entry, slam again as they reflect, then counter the next turn and you send them down to either near KOed or flat out gone depending on if you got your second slam in before reflect

Gengar is a classic for walling hbeam lax which your psychics really have to fear

Dedge Egg might help break through opposing chansey/mie/jynx if you get stuck on these early game but giving up stun spore sucks

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Overall I like it, give it a shot

naive stump
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so, like I said, I'm not too sure to understand the idea behind this team

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Mgarchomp is not bad ofc, but it feels weird here

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one of his main asset is to be able to hit tias with dmeteor, so pursuit support vile feels a bit weird

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not to say that mchomp + weavile dont provide enough power to break fat/semi-stall

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and kart scarf same

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heatran with z-grass feels really weird

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I get you want to lure Tapu Fini for Weavile and Rotom-Wash for Garchomp

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but, without leftovers, Heatran will really drop quickly just on chip damage that comes from hazards

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(not to say that Lele/Zam will have an even easier time to just steamroll your team)

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Moreover, outside of a lack of purpose, the team is weak to usual threats

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Ash greninja under rain just click surf and take a kill for example

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not sure how to help here. I'm not exactly experimented with mchomp in general

rare token
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I agree with everything you said

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I just don’t this 6 works

naive stump
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yh

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maybe try to make this mchomp a Chomp

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and restart the team around rotom + weavile + chomp

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already make more sense

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this is quite the old team, but it's something fonctionnal with the core of vile + chomp

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if you wanna try mchomp tho, hmp and I will sent youa couple of good build with mchomp

gritty scaffold
# night bridge Overall I like it, give it a shot

i mean i have already zam and starmie to spread para so i think ill try dedge on egg but yea ill see out if ill have some sort of trouble but thanks Sphealbrero although i wont be able to para stuff like rhydon without stun spore but i think is worth a shot

naive stump
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best way to learn how to build around a niche mega is to use it yourself

sage hamlet
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@naive stump thanks, appreciate the insight

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Yeah, I'm just getting back into comp Pokemon and I pretty much just threw 6 good mons together with a decent type distribution. I did take a look at the OU cores page for Gen 7 and heat/clef was one of them

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But outside of that yea

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Think I was going for balance

naive stump
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yh, nw

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just have a stronger vision of what you want to try with your team

sage hamlet
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Yea makes sense

naive stump
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delimitate a playstyle and a core is a good start

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but you really to define at least a clear winpath before you try to build

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like, not something complicate, can be as dumb as zam + lele going boom boom with the psy stabs

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but having a clear idea of what you try to achieve with your team is for me the most important and first step to build any coherent and good team

naive stump
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Hoopa is kinda a low tier pokemon in sm ou, but it can cool on the right team

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which is not the case here I believe

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the obvious structural issue comes from this double steel core of Scizor-Mega + AV Magearna

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They both share a lot of same checks, so they overlasp a lot

night bridge
naive stump
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so it creates a very obvious weakness to offensive fire-type that its not compensate at all by chomp or rotom

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Volcarona just sweep this team after one QD

gritty scaffold
naive stump
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Also, Hoopa + Gren core to form a kinda dark-spam synergie but to use gren to lure some hoopa check seems like a decent idea

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but, not only it means you waste your garchomp just for the sake of the lure, Hoopa is very ez to RK because of its mid speed tier, double weakness to u-turn, ...

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So you invest two slot to open the way for a pokemon that, even if you remove dark-resist from the match, it's still will be inefficient as cleaning the game

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I dont dislike the team tho

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or at least the core of hoopa + scizor

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at least, if it was me, I can totally imagine a core of hoopa + tapu koko + hoopa for example

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and start to build around that instead

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have to keep it mind Scizor-Mega is by no means the mega you can splash everywhere and expected it will work

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a rule of thumb with scizor is to always keep it mind you will need at least two slot to cover all the weakness scizor brings to a team

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a good six for example here could be: hoopa + koko + scizor + fini + heatran + landorus-therian

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keep the a good volt-turn core with koko scizor and landorus

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but you have something more studier with fini and heatran

rare token
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Wash + torn + scizor + Hoopa is a good 4

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chomper/lando and fini last slot

onyx cairn
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silver reef
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The 6 looks good

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Idt lead cloy fits here cause if u play a lead electric or a lead sleeper u lose alot of momentum early on, zapper is better as the lead imo

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Also id recommend resttalk lax (u can fit monolax here too) just so u have a more sturdy electric and nidoking check

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Otherwise looks fine, maybe change some of the sets around like hp fire > giga on eggy and dpunch > dbond on gar to weaken opposing tar for ur monolax

onyx cairn
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HP fire is interesting why is that?

silver reef
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Ur not a firing blank vs skarm and forre after u sleep something

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Theres tradeoff with whatever coverage u choose but yea

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giga is good for tar and keeping starmie out

onyx cairn
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hmm okay

silver reef
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Its optional tho

onyx cairn
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ill have to play more games with each of them, haven't done much of any testing since queue is dead

silver reef
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the 6 u have is solid

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Just the moveset on lax and the lead are the major changes i recommend

onyx cairn
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yeah sweet thanks

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as for monolax its belly drum > curse right? seems hilarious

silver reef
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No

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Curse talk rest STAB

onyx cairn
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google fucking with me

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But yeah appreciate the help I probably just have to play more to figure out using it properly

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if anyone actually wants to search for a game that is

silver reef
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U can try asking the roa room on PS

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but this time of night is PS’s absolute lowest

onyx cairn
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6pm for me

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did find a game just now though

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@silver reef would skarmory be a good option over cloyster? It seems to have more good matchups against things I'm struggling with

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or moreso that cloyster doesnt have many opportunities in the games im playing

silver reef
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Skarm doesnt get spikes

onyx cairn
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wait doesnt it

silver reef
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Also u should be able to get spikes up vs lax and ur opps normal resist

onyx cairn
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does it in later gens?

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or am I high

silver reef
onyx cairn
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ah okay mb

onyx cairn
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ill try a bit more

silver reef
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To cloy?

onyx cairn
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it was yeah I forget who it was hitting me

silver reef
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cloy takes like 30ish from lax dedge

onyx cairn
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does explosion ohko at 1 curse

silver reef
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No

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Boom doesnt even guarantee kill neutral lax

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Force the lax to rest asap

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Thats how most offense does it

onyx cairn
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ah

tribal jewel
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@naive stump do u have the paste for this team

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naive stump
tribal jewel
naive stump
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Np

onyx cairn
silver reef
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Then roar it out

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Worst case scenario u have dbond gar or ur own curselax to go too

onyx cairn
silver reef
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If it rests it cant do anything for two turns

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At minimum

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Go tar when expect it to rest

onyx cairn
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sleep talk

silver reef
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If its sleep talk its walled by gar

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And tar doesnt lose over half at +1

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If its really that bad u can switch lix > tar

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U have egg + cloy to boom it too if need be

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But the important thing is to force it to rest asap

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And play it well accordingly

onyx cairn
silver reef
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nido gar tar lax cloy zap is one of the most classic offense in gsc

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It works

onyx cairn
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I see

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probably just comes down to practice im really shit at operating my own team

tribal smelt
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hazy grotto
leaden fiber
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is this for ss ou

tacit vigil
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Boots too

gritty scaffold
leaden fiber
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Theres a corvi and hdb

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its clearly j mistake

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lol

naive stump
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Gen 7 OU 2.0

gritty scaffold
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O yea

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Gen 7 ou pre dexit

tribal smelt
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Gen 7 OU if the tier was bad

gritty scaffold
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To be fair i think the new gen is my least fav sv feels like a ho meta and thats it

tribal smelt
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If for SS I can kind of just pick it apart but idk

naive stump
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Let's talk that at compgen instead gentlemans

gritty scaffold
tribal smelt
# hazy grotto https://pokepast.es/cb176544e2af8395 made a stall team

On the assumption that this is a Stall team for SS:
Wish + Protect is bad on Clefable, go CM Moonblast Softboiled, its the standard for good reason.
Hippowdon only has one good moveset in OU and it is Toxic, Stealth rock, slack off EQ.
I have no clue why you picked Tangrowth here since Crawdaunt is moot in the meta and there are better options to pilot the Crawdaunt MU, The Pex set is bad, I don't understand why you have so many do nothing picks since enemy pressure kills you and Corv being the hard check to Kartana is not ideal. This team has a lot of huge holes that can be patched up pretty fast with some quick tweaking.

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If you want it to be a utility double regen stack its this.

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If you want the team to be good, use this.

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If this is intended for SM your dex and items don't even exist

hasty ingot
tribal smelt
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UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH

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Sorry

warped venture
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what does the 40 Atk on Hippo hit?
Genuine question, I'm too used to running 8 for Exca.

hasty ingot
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Looks like it falters under heavy pressure, heatran tears it apart cause you can't keep hazards off vs it

tribal smelt
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Let me go get the real one

hasty ingot
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Chansey is not the play on it, NP torn on stall is a very weird choice

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Trick on unaware clef is no bueno

leaden fiber
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cyber clearly trolling w that one heh

tribal smelt
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Wait this is the real one.

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Let me see wtf is wrong with this Torn T doomstack

hasty ingot
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It's fine to mess up teambuilding but don't reply to others suggesting edits until you got a better grasp of the metagame

tribal smelt
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Except it is, with due respect, the team that has shown up the most during CG and still sees tournament play as a solid fat stack.

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The trick scarf is Kyurem meta relic but the team has been the same for about 2 years

hasty ingot
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I'm gonna check you on that one

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Let's look at some spl replays

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Looks like it wasn't brought once

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Though maybe I missed a replay, I am on mobile after all

tribal smelt
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I am being silly here on the tournament replay (Soulwind brought it one and hard lost is the one I can recall immediately), but with due respect this team and its many variants has been the same for like two years on high end

hasty ingot
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The metagame changed vastly between then and end of gen

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It's no longer a good choice

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This does look a lot better though

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Just in terms of spreads and move choices

tribal smelt
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No it definitely is I am dumb and didnt have this saved in my pastes

hasty ingot
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I still wouldn't run chansey on this

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Cause you do in fact get heatraned into the ground

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So a secondary fogger, maybe dnite, could be good

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There's also a case for gastro over hippo but it just depends on how much safer you wanna be vs blace

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/rain

tribal smelt
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With respect to the team: LS pex with Shed shell to make tran easier, NP torn as an aggressive click NP then force switch lead, Twave Chansey to make things actually happen,swap out Chansey for Blissey if you prefer Gastrodon for Blaceph..

hasty ingot
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As I said earlier, heatran is positive into this becaus you can't keep rocks off vs it

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Not cause you can't switch into it

tribal smelt
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Its' really difficult to put into words but you can comfortably deal with Tran and friends bs because you actually have some sort of aggressive countermeasure to the rocks issue and the team structure and idea lends itself to swapping sets

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From when I have still faced this team on repeats and friendlies you have what feels like 30 different variables on this team alone that makes things that seem like lost on preview winnable

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Point still stands I sent a literal broken relic shit team variant

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So not excusable nor helpful

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midnight ember
peak canyon
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Would this account g7ou?

flint ridge
gritty scaffold
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ive made this team for DPP https://pokepast.es/cac4ca71d18fd6fe i wonder though what i should change mayb lax i just realized that hes terrible on dpp but unsure to what replace mayb heatran ig i mean actually with heatran ill be even more weaker to gyarados

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peak canyon
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flint ridge
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defog zap is really meh

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other than that looks fine

tribal smelt
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Ive seen it before just to crunch slots but yes, scuffed

peak canyon
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So i shall add lando with defog?

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and give zapdos hp ice?

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And remove

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Greninja?

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would that be nice?

flint ridge
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could

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ye

peak canyon
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k

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thx

tribal smelt
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tribal smelt
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I've seen some usage on Rest Cloyster lately and tried to build a more foolproof bulkier variant

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I am unsure if Sing Chansey is the play here but its the one way I could fit sleep without losing integrity, definitely open to be factchecked on why 4th Rest cloyster is being considered more seriously and what teams it slots on

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@night bridge Should ping you too you give seasoned takes

night bridge
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Main thing on my mind is you still really want twave on chansey or you have no way to land it on targets like Snorlax if your mie takes sleep, which it usually will as a lead

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For a similar reason (mie will get slept) I would probably run blizzard

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Blizzbolt seems right for lead mie here to me

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Other than that I think you’re probably ok but gengar might be pretty rough for this team

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It usually will switch out of the lead but walls lax, beats cloy, can fight jolt

tribal smelt
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I'll make the changes rn

night bridge
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EQ lax is potentially a consideration but I think hbeam is fine too, just requires careful positioning so you can paralyze gengar

tribal smelt
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But do I keep sing chansey or forfeit it for Twave

night bridge
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You need a sleeper

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So imo either ice twave sing or toss twave sing

tribal smelt
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Dumb and safe is Toss so I'll slot that first then swap if I dont like it

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Still question I had was why Rest Cloy is being considered more lately

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It being a good Tauros answer makes sense more so why the longevity

night bridge
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Because it gets lots of free turns for resting in front of non tbolt chansey, snorlax in general, etc

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And this means para doesn’t make it worthless

tribal smelt
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Valid. Thank you for the pointers

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@night bridge I also assume a Sing Chansey + Rest Cloy + Lax core leads to some more flavour-y picks?

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(Flavour here being a "free" 6th slot to answer some team variants)

night bridge
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I suppose yeah, cloy enables a wider variety of snorlaxes in general and sing chans obviously gives you a free team slot

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That said the cloyjolt team is already basically using jolt as that 6th slot

tribal smelt
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Yeah, I put in Jolteon here since I like that it can be an emergency sleep absorber (say you're in one of those scenarios where they've aggressively revealed Dos so you can sort of forfeit Jolteon to save it for Zapdos) is a decent way to kill the rare Slowbro and also shuts down 2nd to last Zapdos bs and is one of the best mid-late game sluggers

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But I could probably (I say with some hefty grains of salt) add something more intimidating like Rhydon if I tweak sets

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I am very much a hobby RBY guy but it does look intriguing to play high end compared to its Sister gen

red delta
# tribal smelt https://pokepast.es/c3431bd6dd67bb53 RBY OU

I agree that Chansey should have Thunder Wave over Tbolt, especially when you don't run Surf Starmie. It can be difficult to switch into Alakazam as is, so you at least should have a way to paralyse it.

I wouldn't have a strong preference for the Starmie set. All have their up- and downsides.

gritty scaffold
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honestly unique gen that i dont have a team that im thinkin of playing is gsc might try do a team now that im free

night bridge
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always glad to have the followup comments from FOMG, they're much better than I am

red delta
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and re: Rest Cloy
it allows it function as a long term check for Lax/Tauros
If you would run Hyper Beam, you would still get walled by an unparalysed Starmie
and as Sabelette said, a para would make Cloy almost useless / force it to explode and potentially vs a target it doesn't want to explode

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and for Ice Beam vs SToss on Chansey:
both are worth to consider
Ice Beam is very, very useful against Rhydon which can already be troublesome

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and the freeze chance is always nice

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SToss is better vs Alakazam, paralysed Starmie, Jynx, Cloyster for instance

weak mirage
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using jolteon lets you rest cloyster despite there potentially being a zapdos lurking in the back

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cloyster when not paired with jolteon can't really click rest unless you are sure there is no zapdos

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i dont rly love cloyster+jolteon, since body is twaving ur chansey switch in turn 1 ur starmie goes to sleep and then your psychic answer is simply chansey

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earthquake snorlax is probably correct - no egg/zam/rhydon in the back and jolteon helps against chansey/mie/cloy (the biggest hb targets)

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you need twave on chansey yeah, over tbolt

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and then for lead starmie i'd probably go blizzard+tbolt honestly

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and then your openings turn 1 decide if you go ib or stoss on chansey

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honestly i might lean stoss just because alakazam/mie are such huge threats when running cloyjolt

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rhydon is also a huge threat when you have jolteon but you can probably survive with cloy that is allowed to rest+eq lax+jolteon at least being able to double kick as opposed to zapdos

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with those changes i would twave both gar and jynx leads

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and aim to ko them + sing something else

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with jynx you have stoss chansey to pressure and forces rests which you can take advantage of

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with gar you also have stoss chansey + eq lax + are able to absorb booms

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just have to be careful with both

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but KOing jynx/gar & sleeping something else is v good in the long run

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karmic geyserBOT
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gritty scaffold
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https://pokepast.es/253804507df84afb GSC OU unsure ive tried doin a team with ttar although unsure if is still viable i mean the viability rankin list ive seen was like from 2018 lol prob is outdated him i mean i know lax is a must but besides that nothing really much ping reply when goin to rate

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Uhm hello?

tacit vigil
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red delta
# gritty scaffold https://pokepast.es/253804507df84afb GSC OU unsure ive tried doin a team with tt...

The team is not terrible but I don't think it fits the current meta very well.
There are lots of Double Edge, Earthquake, Sleep Talk, Rest Snorlax running around, and your team has multiple pokemon that lose to it (Tyranitar, Zapdos, Starmie) while Heracross and your own Snorlax are also not very good at switching into it.
Your Heracross struggles to beat Skarm and you have no good ways to take it out, besides LK on Lax, but this will either allow Lax itself to break Skarm or your Heracross will still get walled.
Zapdos can also be annoying for Heracross which gets worse considering that your team is also a little bit soft vs electrics (no resist, only good check is your Snorlax which doesn't have Rest + Sleep Talk).
The team structure you are running more typically has other sweepers than Heracross e.g. Marowak.

Also don't run your current Starmie set. Starmie is mainly used for Rapid Spin or the less common Nightmare set (Surf, Substitute, Nightmare, Recover).

If you want to see teams that are similar to yours, take a look at https://www.smogon.com/roa/?format=gen2ou
Paralysis & Marowak by Earthworm
Heracross + Explosions by Lavos & Sulcata

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oh

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thanks ill lookout to fix my team

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additionally if you are looking at the GSC OU VR, the first post was made in 2018, but it was last updated may 2022

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it will receive another update in a few months

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kk

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no comment but

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unsure when bacm

hazy grotto
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Gliscor is SD set forgot to change it

gritty scaffold
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Is that gen 7 or 8 natdex

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g7

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It’s gen 7 btw

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And torn is banned from gen 8 nd I’m pretty sure

gritty scaffold
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Why would ferro be ever banned

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What

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noooo

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Tornadus

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Not ferrothorn

forest path
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@obtuse prairie (Sorry)

fallow grail
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It’s standard. You spike on forced switches.

gritty scaffold
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Tornadus isnt really broken after bw

leaden fiber
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Torn is banned in ss nd

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for np z moves

gritty scaffold
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Oh

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Yea i can see that bein broken

hasty ingot
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atm you are very heatran weak

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and lack breakers that can push through fat/stall

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like chansey vs this team is almost a 6-0 off preview

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theres a couple of options you have depending on how you want to go about this team

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oo bc it will let ppl know already

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that is mixed

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Yes

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alr then thank

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😹

gritty scaffold
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zoruapwead I Just wanted to reference woodpecker but seems like i would spoil my what-zapdos

forest path
# rare token whats your goal for this team

1-sorry for the late response,was sleeping at the time
2-I built the team around serperior+Ash-greninja,added Ferro for hazard and Lando to do Lando things,Any Improvements I can make?

forest path
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What happened to Kaiser

flint ridge
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@peak canyon

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:(

fallow grail
# hasty ingot I'm not an SM rater, but the idea is that you can spike on the incoming pex so t...

I mean, yeah you could do that. But wouldnt make Extrasensory more sense here? He already has Ferrothorn for Spikes and that can also come in on pex. So your Spikes are pretty much free. And i think it would fit better into the gameplan with battle bond in General. As you want to pick of a weakened mon to trigger the ability and to do so, you need good Cover on it. But thats just what i think.

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Fair

gusty jungle
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Not a fan of Scizor on HO that much, and that tapu Koko set doesn't do anything

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Screens HO is a pretty defined playstyle

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I'd look at stuff that really appreciates the screens like cm tapu fini, swords dance rillaboom, Hawlucha,

gusty jungle
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So basically replace most of my team except for Regieleki

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(and Volcarona)

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At least I'm assuming Volcarona is good here

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Thanks

hasty ingot
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Yeh it's just a lot of it is pretty suboptimal

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Cloyster is fine tho!

hazy grotto
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Gastrodon should be storm drain

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I forgot to change that

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I also need to change EV’s on gastrodon

neon raptor
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Usually the easiest solution to this issue becomes Reun/Hydreigon

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(or make it any variant of the regular stall concepts since building Skarmory Spikes do nothing stall in SS is difficult and sort of annoying)

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As for like. General critique, Lele cleaves off of one bad turn, your Tran MU is not good since you don't have Gking/shed shell pex to come in click knock/scald/ any 1v1 tran potential and gtfo, Torn EVs can be tweaked and its set being a target for Tran is not helping you at all, ferrothorn dosen't go with Stall since while the mon seems fine on paper your enemy stall and fat matchup becomes worse

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Its definitely overkill but I like the idea of completely overloading earthquake just to kill Raikou since I get annoyed with Kou roar+spiking into oblivion

peak canyon
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Could also be whirlpool fini as well

hasty ingot
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You don't want to give pult free turns

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I know the most popular hazard stack team of the gen is 100p balance, which has Dragonite and volcarona on it

tribal smelt
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But yeah thats also one of the issues you can't twist and turn these teams without you pivoting it into a Reun, Dragonite, Volcarona, "literally anything that takes X and sets up for Y heals on Z" stack look-alike

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(Or making it a better team lol)

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I can vouch for the hydra as a stall fit in general and its one that comes to mind for spikes, even back during like Kyurem meta you'd see it show up sometimes just because it has the potential to flip things around vs Tran and being a dark type that actually likes to fight Gking is noteworthy

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I mostly threw it in as an example since its not something I won't consider when focusing on "spikes + rocks with stall in mind"

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It's not stall tho

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There is a difference

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Also who are the "stall people" lmao

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these stall people

peak canyon
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Oki fine

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i cant suggest improvements if you dont give me a base

forest path
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Ash-greninja and serperior

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thats not really a combination that works

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it can work

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but its not something to build an entire team around

forest path
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Ok.....

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what kind of serp do you want to use

forest path
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i dont know what that means

forest path
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Timid Nature

  • Leaf Storm
  • Glare
  • Hidden Power [Fire]
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That

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Hello

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HELLO

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serp greninja magearna zam lando wash is a good 6

forest path
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Ok

forest path
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Or this set:
Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature

  • Hydro Pump
  • Volt Switch
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Defog
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leaden fiber
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dont need to ping every time, be patient plz

forest path
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av magearna

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defensive z water wash

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200 spa 56 hp 252 speed serp

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red delta
# tribal smelt https://pokepast.es/1b26b7dd32c8a6d2 GSC OU

This kind of team really needs Spikes imo. You won't be able to make progress vs a few stall teams at all.
Skarm + Starmie alone wall your Lax, Tar, Golem and Machamp. Zapdos will be easily handled by Raikou/Lax. Nido (especially without Spikes) will have huge trouble breaking stuff like Talk Lax, Umbreon, Suicune, Miltank.

forest path
# rare token defensive z water wash

Washing (Rotom-Wash) @ Waterium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Volt Switch
  • Hydro Pump
  • Defog
  • Pain Split
    This?
tribal smelt
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I at least learnt a lot from spamming the team a bit and as always thank you for your insight

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I assume the angle here to make the team not you know. That matchup spread:
Raikou > Zapdos (integrity at a loss of power), Cloyster > Machamp, possible Lax change on moveset?

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Or if more aggressive Exegg > Golem, take the spikes chip in the war and try to brute force it, Cloy > Ttar?

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No I think I am overthinking it. Not sure what my thought process is

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There are a few approaches you could take, I just recommend to make sure you have a Spiker on teams like this.
Getting walled by a certain mon e.g. Skarmory is way less bad if you can benefit from double switches via Spikes.
One option would be to just replace either Golem or Tar with Cloyster.
Zapdos is better on this team structure as you otherwise might struggle to switch into ground attacks.

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I personally also don't find Pursuit necessary if you run EQ Lax and would either change the Lax set or drop Pursuit for coverage.

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Crunch for instance has nice synergy with Machamp as it hits Starmie and Exeggutor, but you could also consider D-Punch so EQ Talk Lax doesn't check you easily.

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A quick "solution" I came up with just now is Cloy > Ttar, EQ Edge resttalk lax. Does give me a whole lot of Earthquake and two booms

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(Although having machamp as the only curser is not ideal from personal play)

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I will definitely try out your suggestions though as always these are good pointers man

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Also fwiw your Nidoking set will be quite inconsistent and not worth it most of the time. Ice Beam is hard to drop because Zapdos and Lax are the main checks for it that many offensive teams have. Not being able to hit one of them at all can be annoying.

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Yeah I've noticed from testing that the potential Cloy hit is just moot, at that point I can just fish its' explosion or scare it with Zapdos

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Hows this gen 6 balance/BO

hazy grotto
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What edits should I make

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kyurem b and other common wallbreakers 6-0

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i think you need something like magearna > ferrothorn

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fix the gliscor set

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fix the sableye set

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Magearna @ Leftovers
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 248 HP / 28 Def / 232 SpD
IVs: 6 Spe
Calm Nature

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shed shell > rocky helmet skarm

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# gritty scaffold unsure if weatherless balance is still viable but ive tried doin a team for it B...

Few things:

  • You don't have speed control whatsoever, so you can't revenge kill any boosted attacker.
  • I think your team overall is geared a bit too hard for beating bulky teams. A rain team with Spikes down is hard for Slowking and Mew to take on
  • Not sure about Fist Plate Lando, you don't necessarily need Skarmory and Ferrothorn removed that badly
  • You're gonna struggle vs DragMag teams because they'll just trap Ferrothorn and you don't have speed control for opposing dragons.
  • Specs Latios just goes to town on this team.
  • Otherwise it seems fine into most structures, but ur Lando set isn't necessary imo and you don't have speed control whatsoever.
gritty scaffold
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Oo alr then ill see what to change here

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Thanks

forest path
long ginkgo
gritty scaffold
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Oo alr then

gritty scaffold
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Just realized mayb i shouldvput evs on def instead of sp def on mew i mean if im supposed to tank hitsnfrom phsyical attackers to burn then shouldnt i atleast have evs on physical defense or hp is enough ig

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https://pokepast.es/9f76c9811e8900dd
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Scarf Fini is such an awkward fit here and it's dumb smelly bad and I wanna replace it.
Also I do not trust non Tect Melm as my sole steel.
Everything else feels somewhat sound, but I reaaaaally would like smth to replace Fini with if needed.

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EVs on Melm make Gking's Fsight alone unable to Break Sub, outspeed Neutral Natured Gastro, and get one extra point of Lefties recovery.

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I really don't like the Pult MU and honestly it is like the biggest reason I had to slot on Scarf Fini copium in the first place.

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y don’t u trus melm

warped venture
# flint ridge y don’t u trus melm

I trust Melm as my steel only if it's Lefties Protect.
Otherwise it just doesn't have the staying power to check stuff unless I'm running smth crazy offensive

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fair

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opposing ferro looks like a pain vs this

orchid tiger
warped venture
gritty scaffold
# upper plume Few things: - You don't have speed control whatsoever, so you can't revenge kill...

https://pokepast.es/14a2be1d30dbffee ive changed the lati for mamo , slowking for jirachi while ive also removed lando to try use offensive ballon exca as spinnertatsuthink i mean maybe with jirachi spreading body slam will kind of help spreading para principally on ground types that may try switch in also just realized i dont really have any ground resistance lol dindt would be preety complicated to make balance on bw weatherless

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Yo this team is slow

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I ain't a bw rater

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But I'd be worried about speed control with a team like this

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^

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I'd recommend a scarfer as opposed to trying to patch up w/ rachi para

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probably scarf garchomp since otherwise mew lets in volc for free

gritty scaffold
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oo

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alr then ill change rachi

hazy grotto
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Also I need to change that toxapex EV spread

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I messed up on that

flint ridge
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mono slam aggron is rlly bad

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trick room is very inconsistent as a playstyle, so I would generally hazard against using it. However, there are a number of mons that are a lot better on Trick Room than you have here

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slowking/slowbro are both better setters than orbeetle

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you only really need two setters, so dusclops can be chopped for another breaker

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speaking of which, pokemon like melmetal, crawdaunt, and alolan marowak are a lot better than what you have here

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these are mons that get a lot out of going first

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hatterene i would turn into a trick room setter with healing wish

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unless I can't count, I think that leaves one slot open; generally, this can be an extra breaker (maybe conkeldurr?) or an extra setter, which would be porygon2

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i know that changes your team almost entirely

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but trick room is a very defined archetype in SS OU with pretty little to no wiggle room

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i could see you keeping copperajah, but it really doesnt provide anything over melmetal

leaden fiber
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i think tr is pretty defined

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p2 hatt + one setter (cress, zonger, slowtwins)
alowak, daunt, melm, conk, tork

sinful jetty
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Like this?

hasty ingot
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The slowking should probably just be p2, that's my bad, looking at it now I see it

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I'd go life orb swords dance over close combat on crab

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There's a case for ice Punch on conk over facade but eh

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You definitely need a more offensive spread on melm; I don't know what TR runs but max attack adamant is the minimum

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Y'know what I'm phoning a friend

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@halcyon dirge this is an SS OU trick room team

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What sets to use

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SS ou?

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melm/craw are workable bc no argh

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I’m sure you can use maro a

gritty scaffold
hasty ingot
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how is this team for gen 7 ou?

gritty scaffold
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and you have no hazards

tacit vigil
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lorb melm super counter intuitive but on tr its cool

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muscle band if ur pussy

gritty scaffold
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oh yea true forgot to bring a hazard setter

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mayb i should use heatran and use another mega ig

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Few thibgs

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Band tar is almost never seen in bw anymore

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Run the bulky pursuit trapper set

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You also don't have good speed control

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Drill almost never runs life Orb, use Leftovers

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Magnezone is a strange pick on sand, if you want to use the set you are currently using, do a Choice set

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Finally, keldeo and Gliscor are nightmares for your team to deal with

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Yeah you have 4 ground weaks and 0 resists

flint ridge
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ferrothorn

upper plume
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*3 ground weaks

gritty scaffold
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To be fair kinda hard to resist ground but having lot of weak is rly a problm

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Considering tangrowth is kinda non existant and with that only flying type u uave

upper plume
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It's not like they had Sturdy ground neutrals either tho

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No gastrodon for instance

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Ferrothorn is that kinda but it isn't unreasonable to have a flier or lati twin

ember hull
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I'd recommend Latios

ember hull
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k

upper plume
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Next, tyranitar should be a bulky pursuit trapper

ember hull
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do i run lefties?

upper plume
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No

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Use the smogon set

ember hull
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link

upper plume
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Finally you'll want to run lefties on excadrill

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Traditionally Protect is run over sd but I don't think it's terrible to run lefties sd drill

ember hull
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thanks for all the help!

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also do i change anything on this latios set?
now calc it against (Latios) (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Trick
  • Draco Meteor
  • Psychic
  • Thunderbolt
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specifically was wondering specs or scarf

reef cobalt
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maybe advice on how to use the pokemon or any thing i should replace?

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its gen 7 ou

flint ridge
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no waters on this is worrying too

reef cobalt
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yeah bulus just there to weaken earthquake but im not sure what other mons i should opt for

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what would you suggest i switch bulu with?

flint ridge
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some type of water

reef cobalt
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which water pokemon would best fit in my team?

leaden fiber
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so this is just

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double removal rona bo?

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idea?

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w dia

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team is doable like this but I make bulu sd z

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or sd lefties

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and then u can do like cm split mage

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or else scarf punishment lando

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u are kind of struggle into

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gliscor

reef cobalt
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yeah, thats where a water type would be good for the team, correct?

leaden fiber
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no not necessarily

upper plume
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no psychic either yes? just run standard specs tios?

upper plume
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And dpulse > psychic

leaden fiber
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Ya

upper plume
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They want Scarf bc otherwise Scarf keld mops the team up

leaden fiber
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and mtios kind of

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ohh, i see

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so what should i do with my team to handle those threats?

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and do i need to replace or change up my mons?

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i think u make lando bulky sr, hp ice diancie, mage u can do cm split lefties, volc fine, bulu sd spdef, torn just uturn>focus blast

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speed control is kind of cope

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so is lop

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Hm

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thats not amazing either

flint ridge
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fastest mon torn should work here

leaden fiber
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it can yeah

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i dont know if bulu is the best mon in that slot

flint ridge
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pex>bulu

leaden fiber
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toxapex would solve a lot of issues yeah

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no gren worries, no lop worries, does make u very weak to medi

reef cobalt
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ok, so ill replace bulu with pex then?

leaden fiber
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but hopefully torn lando mage should be ok vs medi

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frankly pex beats washer better then bulu does

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so

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thats fine

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um, tran copium

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mm

reef cobalt
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for diancie, what do i replace for hp ice?

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tect mblast ep hp ice

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if ur going rocks lando

leaden fiber
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or u can double rocks altho idt its necessary

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can also do

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moon dstorm ep ice

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which is funyn

reef cobalt
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do i change tornadus’s nature to strengthen its attack or do i stick with timid?

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mmhh

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just stick w timid

reef cobalt
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ok!

flint ridge
reef cobalt
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how does the team look now?

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also how should i use these pokemon in most matches?

reef cobalt
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im assuming landorus and diancie are leads or something like that, but how should i use the other mons?

leaden fiber
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u bring torn into mons like bulu kart etc

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diancie offensively pressures most things

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and u can try to call a read into a rocker

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ie

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dia on ferro rocks, then go rona on the gyro ball and qd

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for example

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cmsplit mage is mostly to beat mlati

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but its good defensively into most mons

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try not to go rona when rocks r up

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usually u rona against a weakened team

reef cobalt
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ohhh ok!

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thank you so much!

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https://pokepast.es/2fa2da1e4c3873f6
SSOU
Messed around with VolcanTran Fire Spam a while ago back when it was Modern Gen, but I figured I'd dip back into the idea, since I think it still holds some merit.

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Kart MU is sorta rough, so if there's anything I can do abt that lmk.

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I say sorta bc anything that isn't SD has to get basically every turn right if it wants to make progress.

leaden fiber
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@polar nacelle https://pokepast.es/7744411f7b2ad017 i like this team a lot but after some testing i think im really weak to ddtar on a team like this that has almost no speed control

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so pert > meta was what i was thinking

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but i wanted a second opinion

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hazy grotto
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I think Pult set isn’t right for this team

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So I’ll probably change that

hasty ingot
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another team for gen 7 ou, any changes or recommendations for strategies is very helpful!

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i wanted to use lopunny so i looked up a team, though im not sure how exactly to use it

dense hound
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i did this team 6 months ago if someone can help me make it better

karmic berry
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Gen8 OU

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Any toughts?

hazy grotto
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Eh. that's most offense haha

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I think you

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cm z lele

topaz sentinel
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^ doing a challenge that involves using a bad ou mon (Jolteon), am I coverering everyones weaknesses? this is gen 4 ou

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^ This ons is gen 3 ou, same thing, am i covering everyones weaknesses well00?

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#1024432517077540904

tacit vigil
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I assumed he was cuz he ou by technicality

tacit vigil
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In dpp

tacit vigil
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what did he need to tag the channel for?

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read it

topaz sentinel
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so i should @ the right expert for answers?

leaden fiber
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I assume he meant the "challenge" part

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I dunno, jolteon feels very hard to use

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i can look at the adv team though

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u are very very weak to mons like ddmence

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I would make starmie a different water (swampert) which helps ur ddtar/aero matchup as well, using the offensive focus punch set to help break down blissey for this team.

Metagross can be agility leftovers here, again more longevity into rocks and dders, while giving a second chance to sweep

I think you run fire grass wisp taunt gar here, with the spread to live ddmence

and then maybe bulky ddtar, but bkctar should be fine

hazy grotto
topaz sentinel
leaden fiber
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yeah, pert for mie is fine

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agi > tect

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different spread, its a sample spread

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gar should be the one that lives +1 ddmence, listed under smogon sets as "defensive" but u just need those evs

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and i think bulky ddtar is fine

topaz sentinel
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so i should just replace i guess focus punch with dd for tar and keep the spread? still0 co0nfused for what move to replace agi with out of MMash, eq, Rs, explo, keep the moves for gengar but change the stat spread to defensive, and swampert just pick the first set on smogon?

leaden fiber
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Oh, you had rs

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Uh

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agi > rs

topaz sentinel
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sorry for the random 0s, my keyboard is dumb cuz any time i touch the p button it typ0es a 0

leaden fiber
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for gar

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fire punch, hp grass, willo, boom/taunt

topaz sentinel
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k ill rep0lace rock slide with agi

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what about ddtar and swampert moves/set

leaden fiber
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hydro ice eq focus punch the smogon sets fine
ddtar is just the bulkytar spread on smogon

topaz sentinel
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so swamp i should do the standard offensive or standard def set

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So my Gar got WOW, HPGrass, Fire 0punch, boom, with the defensive set sp0read,

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Ttar git the bulky dragon dance set

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metagross got the agility set

leaden fiber
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offensive focus punch on pert

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and yes

topaz sentinel
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leaden fiber
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looks better, yeah. the dpp one i cannot speak on but it's questionable to say the least

topaz sentinel
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Idk I tried my best, I like Jolteon so wanted to make a team around him I guess, also what does the chatot bot msg mean, may try a gen 1 ou team in a little

karmic geyserBOT
leaden fiber
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this is the only chatot bot msg we have lol

leaden fiber
topaz sentinel
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find it a little interesting what fire punch/hp grass do vs the recommended ice p and tbolt in the recommended set

leaden fiber
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ok smth i didnt consider

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fire grass wisp makes u almost unbearably weak into moltres

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tbolt grass would be interesting

topaz sentinel
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No ice punch for dragons?

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Is explosion mandatory or can ice punch replace it

leaden fiber
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boom/taunt, u need smth to not be a total do nothing into blissey

topaz sentinel
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K then I just replace fire punch with tbolt

leaden fiber
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worth a try ye

topaz sentinel
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Sorry I keep asking but is focus punch on swampert nessecary cuz I feel there’s enough mons that deal w Blissey, does my team deal with Celebi and other walls well

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And also breloom if I’m not mistaken, looking at the team I feel I may have a lot of problems w him

leaden fiber
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loom isnt a huge issue w skarm gar

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bulky celebi is just an excuse to get more spikes down

topaz sentinel
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Well my gengar got grass and tbolt and skarm got no attacking moved lol

leaden fiber
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wisp

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no sub loom set should have hp ghost

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hopefully

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unless ur unlucky and u run into the one dogshit sub leech loom set in the universe

peak canyon
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flint ridge
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why is there a random ribom on dis

upper plume
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Or whichever tier you give

peak canyon
flint ridge
peak canyon
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whats ribom?

flint ridge
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ribombee

hasty ingot
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Ribombee

flint ridge
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looks good other than that

peak canyon
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oh

hasty ingot
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Yeh why do you have webs

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On a team that doesn’t use webs

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It’s more that this team has 0 mons that take advantage of webs

peak canyon
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okay so what do i replace it with?

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hmm

flint ridge
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I’d go for z breaker here

peak canyon
flint ridge
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Kyub kart etc

peak canyon
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kartana?

flint ridge
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yeah

peak canyon
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scarf kartana?

flint ridge
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actually any breaker works fine

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z Kartana

peak canyon
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oh okay

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z?

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okay

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thank you.

flint ridge
tacit vigil
peak canyon
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hasty ingot
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You posted a webs team earlier and again this is a team that doesn't actually benefit that much off of webs

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Webs in general are not that great in sm

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But I'll leave it to an SM rater for an actual rate, as I am not one

rare token
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It has HO staples like ribombee and pinsir

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But also has mons like clef, Greninja, and Magnezone

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There’s no deterrent for defog on this team

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So when webs get up they don’t stay up

hazy grotto
peak canyon
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so what kind of mons do I use for a ribombee team?

cold yew
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https://pokepast.es/f5bc21fbb5bbd19c ADV OU, tried to build around CB mence without magneton support, as my anti-skarm measure I use knock off from hariyama to try to knock skarm's lefties, making it easier for mence and tar to wear down, claydol is there for spikes control and blissey is there for spdef as well as providing wish support to mence, tar, and hariy, who are all fairly bulky but lack recovery. I got to around 1500 on ladder with the team, main issue I have is choosing a ttar set, i orignally had bkc tar but switched it for band for extra firepower vs threats like starmie. i'm open to any changes but i want to keep knock hariy and band mence, and no magneton since that's what i built around

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hazy grotto
old iris
hazy grotto
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I think I need to change EV on slowbro

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To max def

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Since I already have CM

peak canyon
peak canyon
hazy grotto
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Ribombee is a hazard setter

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On hyper offense

peak canyon
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hmm

hazy grotto
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hyper offense teams usually have ribombee or some other hazard setters

peak canyon
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can you name some hyper offensive mons?

hazy grotto
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Um

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Mainly like sweepers

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I can maybe show u a sample

peak canyon
peak canyon
hazy grotto
peak canyon
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okay

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pokemons like garchomp and togekiss?

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excadrill

hazy grotto
peak canyon
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no problem

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I can wait.

hazy grotto
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Hyper offense is basically

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A screen setter or hazard setter

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And the rest sweepers

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From what I know

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I don’t really play hyper offense

peak canyon
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so will serprior be good.

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garchomp

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excadrill

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on that team

hazy grotto
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Probably garchomp could work

peak canyon
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oh

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can you name me some sweeper mons.

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so I can have a idea.

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to recognize which are sweeper mons.

hazy grotto
peak canyon
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ohhh

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okok

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got it

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so I think I can use hawlucha

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with a tapu

hazy grotto
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you’ll have to ask like a team rater with team building im not that good lol

peak canyon
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okay

leaden fiber
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@peak canyon an example of a hyper offense team would be

peak canyon
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hm

leaden fiber
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lead mew (rocks, taunt, wisp), serperior (screens), zard-x (dd sweeper), volcarona (qd sweeper), komo (z clang omniboost sweeper)

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I forgot the last pokemon ngl

peak canyon
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ohh

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okay

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so it's like

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the mons have something to boost

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like s dance

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and then sweep

leaden fiber
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oftentimes

peak canyon
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ohh

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okay

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got it thank you.

leaden fiber
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the issue with this team is that yama loves defensive builds

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and struggles to do well on offensive ones

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the knock vs skarmory doesn't matter as much if mence is taking sand

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and like for example its rly easy for an aero to win her e

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or a ddmence / tar after some chip

peak canyon
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hm

rare token
peak canyon
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how's it now?

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gen 7 ou

flint ridge
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I’d go screens koko and sub serp but

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specs koko shld be fine

rare token
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Personally

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I’d go screens koko

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And replace serp with bisharp

peak canyon
peak canyon
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I'll try both

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and see which one I like.

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thanks.

peak canyon
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peak canyon
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i think the pex shouldn't be there but

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i don't know what to put as my 6th mon.

flint ridge
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Z chomp + bulu is very off here

peak canyon
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so do i replace bulu

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but what do i replace it with

peak canyon
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hmm

rare token
peak canyon
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I just made two teams one with bisharp and serp

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still have to use.

hazy grotto
peak canyon
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fast sky
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dapper iris
hasty ingot
# dapper iris Gen 8 OU team, Fast Offense https://pokepast.es/738aa229b9109260

FEAR isn't viable, and ditto on offense makes little to no sense. Expanding force isn't good without terrain and protect doesn't do anything for blace. Mind Blown will KO you and pain split doesn't make up for blace's bad bulk. Arctozolt is good on hail, but only if you use Bolt Beak. The more standard set is heavy duty boots with bolt beak, blizzard, low kick, and substitute. Alolan Ninetales is good for hail, but the set you have is not. Leftovers should be icy rock, reflect does literally nothing because you have aurora Veil, freeze dry is better than weather ball, and toxic does nothing to the steel types that switch into Ninetales; hypnosis, encore, or moonblast would all be better. X-scissor is completely pointless on Kartana; use knock off.

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I'd suggest taking a look at the SS OU samples before building again to get a better sense of teambuilding in this meta

hasty ingot
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Team is a little passive but that's ok really

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There's a case for melm > ferro

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And knock on torn instead of cane

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But it's fine

dapper iris
hasty ingot
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That is English.

dapper iris
hasty ingot
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Your team is unviable, learn the metagame before submitting another rate.

dapper iris
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;-;

fast sky
fast sky
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Also what should be on Slowbro?

hasty ingot
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Future sight slack off teleport scald

hasty ingot
hasty ingot
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Landorus doesn't switch into Fini

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So the orb is never activated

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And fini outspeeds landorus anyways!

dapper iris
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but i checked it out

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reworked it

hasty ingot
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I guess I should ask if you want to make a hail team or an HO team

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Cause the two don't exactly mix and it looks like you're going in a bunch of different ways rn with no coherent plan

dapper iris
hasty ingot
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I don't think this is salvageable, apologies

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I can link some teams that are similar in concept for you to see

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peak canyon
flint ridge
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eq mew in grassy terrain is not it

peak canyon
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I want to make a team which has mew and a tapu if possible

flint ridge
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make it ep

peak canyon
flint ridge
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ye

peak canyon
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so I have to use timid mew?

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with lele

flint ridge
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y

peak canyon
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uh

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ok

flint ridge
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do u wanna use mew or lele

peak canyon
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mew

flint ridge
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ok

peak canyon
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a tapu if possible