#Old Gens OU

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ocean pawn
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since rn opposing tran looks hard for u to deal with

late fog
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mhm

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i will try that out

rare token
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No ground is tragic

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Av magearna fits well on these teams of builds because of the role compression

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Av magearna > ferrothorn, scarf lando > heatran

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Rotom wash > fini

brittle hill
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In Gen 3 OU, is it better to potentially sacrifice a lead Skarmory to get Spikes down or should it be quickly switched out against threats so it can do things later

balmy willow
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could I please get my team rated

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any feedback is appreciated

peak canyon
peak canyon
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Waterfall in rain is okay but hydro might be better

balmy willow
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hydro misses and doesnt work after draco

peak canyon
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On defensive zapdos like that I'd run Volt switch

balmy willow
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alright note

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noted

peak canyon
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Or u turn

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It depends on if you want to be 100% sure it goes off or want more damage

balmy willow
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the thing about kingdra is

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if i make full spec

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*special

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then i have to waste a turn switching out

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whereas with waterfall it messes with their prediction

balmy willow
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i feel like all moves i have on it are kind of necessary rn

peak canyon
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Uhhh

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Heat wave in rain ain't doing much

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Unless you're replacing it with weather ball like you have written there

balmy willow
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its for anti ferro

peak canyon
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Ferro is kind of a problem for you though

balmy willow
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this is what i have rn

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peak canyon
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You only have superpower and cc to hit it

balmy willow
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nah cc does nothign

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i tried

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its like usually around 20%

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heat wave is guaranteed 2hko

neon raptor
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The anti-Ferro is clicking hurricane a bunch.

balmy willow
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cuz neutral dmg

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and i dont have high spa

neon raptor
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Ferro is one of those things rain is always going to struggle with. Run offensive Zapdos.

balmy willow
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alr ok

peak canyon
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Wrong reply

balmy willow
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bulky offensive?

neon raptor
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Just max/max timid.

balmy willow
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this is what i have on it

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peak canyon
neon raptor
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Rain doesn’t really have a lot of variance. It’s Peli/Zapdos/Ferro/Toad/Barra/something

balmy willow
peak canyon
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Outside rain it probably is better

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By a lot

balmy willow
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alright ty

peak canyon
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In rain invested heat wave is a 2hko

balmy willow
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so ig uh

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heat wave -> u turn?

peak canyon
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Guaranteed without lefties

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If zapdos isn't defensive anymore you might go without uturn

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Or Vswitch

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Idk

balmy willow
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oh

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ig ill put weather ball on it again

leaden fiber
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wball is fine, u can run double defog too

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it doesnt rly matter

balmy willow
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alr tyy

leaden gate
leaden fiber
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@silver reef

balmy willow
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add politoes

leaden gate
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weather 🤢

balmy willow
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and kabutops

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switch out Lando and weavile

leaden fiber
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bro

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what

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ur just saying random shit

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thats hardly helpful

peak canyon
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How’s this RBY OU team?

balmy willow
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"make it a rain team" - random shit 💀 💀💀💀

peak canyon
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This is the first team where I’m branching off from the classic mie don

leaden gate
peak canyon
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Gonna change the Snorlax set to reflect lax + ice beam so dw

leaden gate
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yeah thats random dhit bro

balmy willow
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is that gen 3 out?

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*ou

peak canyon
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I won’t be insanely scared of lax

peak canyon
leaden fiber
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rain is not relevant in oras ....

balmy willow
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I thought ruby and sapphire was gen 3

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oh well

leaden fiber
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rby is

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red blue yellow

balmy willow
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o

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honestly I prefer jynx lead

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but that's a solid team

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you utilise big 4 well I guess..

peak canyon
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I originally had Alakazam and zapdos, but it wasn’t going so well, so I swapped em out for Starmie and Jolteon

peak canyon
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Big 3

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Exeggutor got demoted

leaden fiber
balmy willow
leaden fiber
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meta shifts

peak canyon
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Main reason I’m making a new team rn is cause I just got molly whopped by victreebel

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And dragonite

balmy willow
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dnite wrap is really good

peak canyon
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Too many wrap users for my liking, so I’m trying to craft a faster more offense based team

balmy willow
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if you can't beat them join them

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you could use wrap on my own

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*on your own

weak mirage
balmy willow
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tbh youll be using blizzard and hyper most of the time

peak canyon
weak mirage
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for the cloyster mirror & you have eq on lax to cover snorlax (and eq lax does not break cloy)

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or maybe hyper beam lax + eq tauros, take your pick

late fog
leaden gate
regal crown
balmy willow
leaden fiber
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earth power > wball on venu
i assume u havent found blaziken evs yet
pult should be spex
volcanion can drop defog for earth power or sludge bomb or the such

leaden fiber
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tbolt dgleam uturn roost on koko

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bc u turn is not blocked by grounds

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alolachu should be rvoltage psyshock (blissey) focus blast (ferrothorn) volt switch

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pex should be scald tox haze recover or something

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doesnt rly matter

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ferro is fine

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pult should probably be fire blast / sub > hydro pump

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and I think u run the

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+atk -spdef nature

balmy willow
leaden fiber
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Idk check sample sets sorry

balmy willow
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alr ok ty

leaden fiber
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clef can probably do sr moon twave soft boiled

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@regal crown

balmy willow
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all offensive evs

leaden fiber
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Uh

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@scenic bear do u have the bulky blaziken set

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@hasty ingot

scenic bear
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?

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why would that be good

leaden fiber
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wasnt that some shit at the end of ss

scenic bear
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it was just leftovers

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not bulky

leaden fiber
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rilla blaziken

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it ran some hp no?

balmy willow
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leftovers and offensive stats then?

leaden fiber
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ig u run max attack adamant creep pult at +1 or something

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idr

scenic bear
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oh

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it did

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Blaziken @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 144 HP / 252 Atk / 112 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Close Combat
  • Flare Blitz
  • Protect
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@leaden fiber

leaden fiber
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aye thanks

balmy willow
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tysmm

leaden fiber
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3d are you seeing this spl game doe

balmy willow
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what is spl

leaden fiber
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smogon premier league

scenic bear
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no im on vacation

balmy willow
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never heard of it 💀

scenic bear
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😎

leaden fiber
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okay well highlights:
Sub bu tusk
draco hdb dnite

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crying strikes again

flat sparrow
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oh wait

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@leaden fiber it works

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sorry 😭

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can anyone help i just found this 🤷‍♂️

tacit vigil
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Zerkas about to become main roa rater

flat sparrow
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gen 7 ou

leaden fiber
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@naive stump

tacit vigil
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No way kaiser

naive stump
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Yh, better lol

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Like I said, I dont think the six is bad

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I would just change some set

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Like, imo, Z-wild charge koko is a better fit here

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Bait chansey, pressure toxapex, you get the idea

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Need to make the kartana a weavile instead if we keep koko tho

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Latias looks really annoying to break with those two and weavile with pursuit is prob the easiest way to achieve that

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Esp when koko will easily pivot on dragon and grass for koko, usual good core in general

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For the rest

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Let's remove mimikyu, not a really good poke by himself first of all and, here more specifically, it dont fit at all the whole tempo of the team

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I think its better to just keep the lando

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And add a very usual tapu fini + heatran core

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Tapu fini, in contrary as toxapex, gives you defog support and a real dark-resist

leaden gate
karmic geyserBOT
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naive stump
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Heatran is really needed to not instant lose to some threats such alakazam-mega, Tapu lele or Volcarona

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  • I would makes lando scarf to patch the low speed control and fit defog on it
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That way, you have two ways to remove hazards for both weavile and charizard-mega-y

leaden gate
leaden fiber
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?

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no

leaden gate
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bro itll be so cool

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kart weather

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you ever heard of that

naive stump
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@flat sparrow any questions?

flat sparrow
naive stump
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Cool

leaden gate
naive stump
leaden fiber
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u still get 6-0d by moth

flat sparrow
naive stump
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Something like that

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Can go fini over hydreigon ofc

leaden gate
naive stump
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Not like pressure is useful

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It's dumb, but pickpocket can be useful if you decide for some reason to absorn knock off with weavile and try to stole an item on another pokemon

leaden gate
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more useful than pickpocket

naive stump
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Meh

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Unless you're running sub on vile

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Pressure is really useless

leaden gate
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stone edge has 8 pp

naive stump
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And?

leaden gate
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lots of stuff has low pp

naive stump
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And?

leaden gate
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if a game is dragged out it could help in endgame

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pickpocket is once in a blue moon

naive stump
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Weavile has low bulk + lot of weakness

leaden gate
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same with pickpocket

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its not taking a hit that well

naive stump
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You're not zapdos or anything on that nature

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You can take a hit from low atk knock off such as clef or glis

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Even kart scarf knock off dont hit that hard of weavile

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Not like either ability are useful anw

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At this point, it's not even a nitpick

naive stump
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Tapu Fini > Hydreigon if you want as well

flat sparrow
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k

regal crown
regal crown
regal crown
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Srry not familiar with a lot of terminology

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Substitute right?

leaden fiber
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Yes

regal crown
leaden fiber
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stealth rocks moonblast

regal crown
leaden fiber
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yeah, sr moon twave soft

leaden gate
hazy grotto
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https://pokepast.es/833a06ed5a993298 I tried to build around Electric Z Kyurem here
Koko - I wanted to put koko here as a special wallbreaker and to also pivot into kyurem, and to boost electric Z with the terrain. Now usually specs koko would be used with hp ice but I wanted to try out hp fire to suprise ferrothorn users and this team does seem to have a bit of trouble breaking through ferrothorn
Magearna - I put magearna here to mostly deal with mega Zam but can also be used to deal with other fairies notably Tapu Lele and also Ash Greninja
Gastrodon - I thought of putting Gastrodon because I think it does serve an important role being able to switch into heatran and kind of take care of Zard X without dragon claw with that EV spread. It can also deal with mega swampert and mainly other fire types.
Lando - just for defog and have some speed on the time and could maybe threaten mega zam with U turn if I get the chance to pivot into lando on a mega zam
Ferrothorn - I didn’t really know what to do for a Steath rocker pokemon so I used ferro plus it can deal with fairies and possible wall scarf kart a bit and get a knock off

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char y is a bit of an issue so I gotta be careful

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I need some help on this team

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@naive stump

leaden gate
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why sticky hold on gastro? not too many prevalent knockers in the meta

hazy grotto
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To storm drain

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There

leaden fiber
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idt u need gastro ferro

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do pex or slowbro honestly

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uh, main thing is that if ur running kyub w/o the

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z ice

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ur just running not that good of a bolt beamer

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like this kyub gets walled by ferrothorn cheempao

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and fusion bolt in terrain also does very well into waters

naive stump
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Main idea of z-fusion bolt under electric field is to catch bulky steel such as Scizor-Mega or Magearna

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I would do a proper rating later (man, I just wake up lol) but the main thing I dislike is how you're running a scizor/mag lure in the form of KB but nothing that appreciate that lure outside of KB himself

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And KB, with its decent but mid-tier speed, its not going to do all the job alone

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I was considering the possibility to make the Magearna SG CM bolt beam instead of AV tbf

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That way you got an obvious gameplan with that team, esp I see you're running HP Fire Koko, which is also cool to catch ferrothorn

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Main issue if we go for that kind of KB Koko Mag offensive core is that Chansey MU is def complicate (and chansey is popular on fat structure).

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So, because the squad is mega-less, I was also considering to add another breaker to speed up the whole pace of the team with something like 4A Maw

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Over gastrodon

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Also, def need to make the ferrothorn spedef in that case

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There's also always the possibility of going for the unfunny option and just put hawlucha + medicham over ferro and gastrodon kek

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And, here, luring Scizor its pretty good as SD bullet punch just crush those kind of steel-less resist structure

hazy grotto
naive stump
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Np

gritty scaffold
karmic geyserBOT
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tropic schooner
rugged fossil
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Thoughts ?

naive stump
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Due to the lack of speed control and check, Kartana looks almost impossible to handle

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Not to say you have the usual weakness of stall

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Aka Maw and Manaphy

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Not to say one defog is way too low with stall

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Something like gliscor can't really defog on spikes such as ferro or gren

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So hazards are extremely ez to stack and your team will just fall against any decent player

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I like the malt + jira + reu core

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My friend profreez has one solid semi-stall with it

rugged fossil
naive stump
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Its complicate to make one overall solid stall in sm ou

rugged fossil
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Ye

naive stump
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I'm not myself a stall player, nor a stall builder

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Imo, the "best" stall I can think out of my head

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Is like shed stall

rugged fossil
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I know that stall

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Id still prefer empos fat

naive stump
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With your usual chansey skarmory sableye gliscor bs

rugged fossil
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Over that

naive stump
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Ofc kek

rugged fossil
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I think empos fat is better than

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Shedinja

naive stump
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Stall is really hard to use atm

rugged fossil
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How

naive stump
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Meta is not really friendly for stall fwiw

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Like I said

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You got cheat button in the form of Manaphy and Mawile

rugged fossil
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Doesent empos stall provide a good mu vs stall , rain ,

naive stump
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That just shit on stall

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Its not a stall

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Empo fat

rugged fossil
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Ye

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I wanted to build the tesm around

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Fat

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Semi stall

naive stump
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Well

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Empo fat is one team that's just good that way

rugged fossil
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Ye I’ve used that too much

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I wanna change it

naive stump
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Dont think I can't provide much more

rugged fossil
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For now

naive stump
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Apart nitpick

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Like you can go zam over lop

rugged fossil
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Oo

naive stump
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Or running lop hwish

rugged fossil
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What do u think of

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Zam + reuni as a core

naive stump
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If you want to build semi-stall, you need to have something precise in your head

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Meh

rugged fossil
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I don’t like

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The core

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Of zam plus reuni

naive stump
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Me neither

rugged fossil
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Two straight psycic types

naive stump
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Reu is a weird fellas

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Its very slow to work

rugged fossil
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What do I replace reuni with

naive stump
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And barely fonctionnal against dark + medi core

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You can keep it tho

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Like, reu, on this kind of squad

rugged fossil
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But what if I want to change it

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What would be recommendable

naive stump
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Its just a random check to medi and a cheat button against stall

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Hum

rugged fossil
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Clef ?

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Slowbro

naive stump
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Another complicate question

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CM clef might work indeed

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Issue is that, even if clef is faster to work, its also way more frail than reu

rugged fossil
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I don’t think it can live 3 zen heabutt

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From mega medi

naive stump
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No ofc lol

rugged fossil
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The way reuni lives 3 hjk

naive stump
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But clef can OHKO

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With Life Orb

rugged fossil
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Don’t think it can switch in

naive stump
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And clef can take

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HJK into zhb

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But you get the idea anw

rugged fossil
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Ye ik

naive stump
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Clef is way more frail as a medi check

rugged fossil
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But that would be a major risk

naive stump
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Indeed

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Which is why its hard to replace reu here unfort

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Even if the double psy looks a bit ugly

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Its not a bad thing even if dark offensive such as crawdaunt and hoopa are annoying for you

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But, u know, zam + spikes is something that can really fuck up offense if you use it well enough

austere scarab
karmic geyserBOT
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rugged fossil
naive stump
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Anw, you seems to know your stuff man

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So, yh, if you wish to play another semi-stall

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Just take another core

rugged fossil
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Alright m8

naive stump
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Than what you have with empo fat

austere scarab
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i'm new help me

rugged fossil
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Ty

naive stump
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Np

naive stump
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Nothing wrong with that ofc

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I thnk its best if you just take a look at samples team for now

austere scarab
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i play myuu discord game

regal crown
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https://pokepast.es/93b3026bd20b1230

i’m trying to make a mew baton pass team

not sure which pokemon to add next, idk on which pokemon is good competitively

but from what i know i need a counter against bulky steel types

austere scarab
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that is the team i use

naive stump
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Yh, I get that

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But its not good unfort

austere scarab
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hm

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what should i change

naive stump
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For example, the set of gren is just bad

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No speed invest means you're slower than like lot of shit that gren is suppose to beat

rugged fossil
austere scarab
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yea

rugged fossil
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How about wish protect clef

austere scarab
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my ash is slow

rugged fossil
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Lefties number would mean

naive stump
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Like I said, its prob better to just improve your meta knowledge

rugged fossil
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I wouldn’t have to worry about

naive stump
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Before I lend you my help

rugged fossil
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2hko from

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Zen headbutt

rugged fossil
naive stump
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Rating is a good way to improve but only when you get some fondamental

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Nah

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Not you

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Achilles I mean

naive stump
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Wish clef can be cool with mega such as mawile

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But its a very slow process unfort and, therefore, ez to abuse

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Its usually stuff you saw more on unaware clef on stall

austere scarab
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hmm

naive stump
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Even if this kind of set might work on semi-stall

austere scarab
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my team works but i fail against setups

rugged fossil
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Since swords dance facade gliscor can be a sort of nuisance

naive stump
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Yh def

rugged fossil
naive stump
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You have skarm for that tho

rugged fossil
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I was coming to that

naive stump
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Shed shell skarm to not lose to zone + SD glis moreover

rugged fossil
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Ye

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Zone was

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The real deal when paired with this

rugged fossil
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But later had it changed

naive stump
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Yh, fair

naive stump
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I dont like that tbf

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Usually, the bar minimum for each team imo

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Is to be faster than Kartana

rugged fossil
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I see

rugged fossil
naive stump
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Nah

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Stall is always different than the other playstyle

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Different dynamic

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So different tools

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With stall, you have to keep in mind you're not here to create momentum

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But rather try to sap oppo's momentum

rugged fossil
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Ye

naive stump
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And put him/her on a situation where he/she can't etablish any gameplan

rugged fossil
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I still feel I could change

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Pex for something here

austere scarab
naive stump
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Sure

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Yh

rugged fossil
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But needs to be something thst

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Provides matchup vs keldeo

naive stump
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Like I said, decide a start

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And start to build from that

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Pex lose to keld tho

austere scarab
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hmm okay

rugged fossil
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Pex beats keldeo

naive stump
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Nah

rugged fossil
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I don’t think

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Icy wind

naive stump
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Keld pp stall toxa

rugged fossil
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Does much

naive stump
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Like

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Either taunt cm

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Or sub cm

rugged fossil
rugged fossil
austere scarab
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can you play a showdown match with me

rugged fossil
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Outstalls

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Haze plus

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Tspikes

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Hydro is like 8 pp

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Substitue 16

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Scald 24

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Sacred swords I don’t remember

naive stump
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Not the 1v1 alone

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But have to keep it mind keldeo is not alone

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And nothing force keld to stay on toxa and waste pp

rugged fossil
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Wouldn’t that be better on my side

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If I were to force

naive stump
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Esp when you're not really eager with taking scald burn and all

rugged fossil
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Keldeo to stay in

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Actually I think mega beedrill

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Would do pretty well

naive stump
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Sacred sword has 24 pp

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And sub 16 pp

rugged fossil
naive stump
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And cm 32

rugged fossil
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Tspikes 30+

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Scald has 24

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And recover 16

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Pex wins on pp

naive stump
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Yh but you have a dead toxa at best

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Remember that burn could happen

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Or just knock off bait

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So you're forcing to waste recover pp

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  • every toxa does not run t-spikes as well
rugged fossil
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Pex

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I wasn’t talking about other pexs

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Domt think empos fat has any other solution to kelde other than pex

naive stump
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Indeed

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Usually, this is why speed control is really useful here

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You force keldo to switch if you're smart with your double switch

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And pressure with either zam or lop

naive stump
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Bee suck

rugged fossil
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I meant to say

naive stump
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Gliscor is the third best poke atm

rugged fossil
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Gallade

naive stump
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And bee lose to that

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Hum

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Gallade is cool indeed

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Not sure if gallade semi-stall would work tho

rugged fossil
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Faster than non scarf kart

naive stump
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Esp when spikes does not exactly wear down stuff that usually check gallade

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Not to say gallade tied with lati megas, which is annoying

rugged fossil
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True

naive stump
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Its a cool mega, dont get me wrong

rugged fossil
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Im not gonna say hopeless mega manec

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Nor mega sceptile

naive stump
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Just the most obvious pick on semi stall

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Yh

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This is why

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Everyone pick zam or lop

rugged fossil
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The dark weakness sucks

naive stump
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Because there's no mega that really fit better than those two

rugged fossil
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On this team

naive stump
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Yh def

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Fortunatly, offensive dark are niche

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But its something you have accept

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And outplay

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Well

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Actually

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Beat up vile is popular atm lol

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But can't do much better unfort

rugged fossil
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I’ve only seen thst in fangames, aaa with technician and gen 8

naive stump
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Yh

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Its "recent" as a tech

rugged fossil
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Not while laddering in 7 ou

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I haven’t touched sm ou in a while

naive stump
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But it abuse well enough the lack of dark resist on some squad such as yours

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And it quickly wear down Magearna

rugged fossil
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Feel like this should work

naive stump
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For example, the best sm player empo is crushing someone with vile beat up on this spl

rugged fossil
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Ye I’m very familiar

naive stump
rugged fossil
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Pretty sure I’ve seen this game

naive stump
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Might makes the clef LO instead

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With knock off zam to lure chansey

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That way, moonblast at +6 will always 2HKO chansey

rugged fossil
naive stump
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With MG ofc

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Yh, its a funne team

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Shame I lose the past kek

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But its not that hard to reproduce I believe

rugged fossil
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I tried to build the fat gay probobass team in the pass

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Watching him use that was fun

naive stump
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Yh

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Ben gay stuff are always funny

rugged fossil
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Sad he quit

naive stump
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Yh

rugged fossil
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Mega scizor + Kartana + weavile + lando t + chomp + kb

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Interesting

naive stump
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Yh

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Prob the best way to have the best beat up possible

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Iirc

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Def chomp - def lando - scarf kart - Bulky Z-KB - Band vile - bulky Scizor

rugged fossil
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Interesting

rugged fossil
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Ev spread

naive stump
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Impossible to guess unfort lol

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Iirc the shit was brave with 5 stats invested with ev

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At this point, its faster to just do your own spread for KB

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Usually, best speed tier for KB imo

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Are either manaphy on rain or full speed landorus

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And just toy with the ev to get what you want

rugged fossil
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Hoopa unbound

naive stump
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Sure

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Its also valid

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On that kind of structure, I feel like you want to focus on stuff such as greninja

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With your KB I mean

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So might try to ev your KB to take some hit from gren

rugged fossil
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Kyurem-Black @ Icium Z
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 8 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def / 96 SpD / 136 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Freeze Shock
  • Fusion Bolt
  • Roost
  • Ice Beam
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Somethjnh like this I assume

naive stump
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Ngl

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I was thinking something even more bulky

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But yh, it can work

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I'm too lazy to check if the spread is optimized or not kek

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Sorry

rugged fossil
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Ye it’s alright

leaden gate
gritty scaffold
austere scarab
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help on this smogon team

obtuse prairie
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use pokepaste

austere scarab
obtuse prairie
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6 mons dont seem too bad

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just sets could use some work

austere scarab
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what sets

obtuse prairie
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fini should be defensive, driller should be sd over rocks

austere scarab
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impish fini?

obtuse prairie
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i typically use max spe zard y but ik some dabble with max hp too so cant speak on that one too much @naive stump prob knows whats best

tropic schooner
obtuse prairie
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also think you can get a littlre more solid response against psyspam stuff

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i think you need to say the tier asw for it to ping

austere scarab
#

gen7 ou

naive stump
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I remember some bulky variant on fire-spam core

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Mainly to handle mawile and kartana band

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Charizard-Mega-Y @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Drought
EVs: 248 HP / 128 Def / 56 SpA / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Flamethrower
  • Focus Blast
  • Solar Beam
  • Roost
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But max speed is prob the best atm fwiw

obtuse prairie
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yea i still prefer it

naive stump
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Yh, makes offense MU in general a breeze

austere scarab
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mega beedrill sweep me

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how to counter it

naive stump
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Due to the fact that zard-y already require a lot of support

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And ttar also need a lot of support

austere scarab
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hmm

naive stump
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So, usually, you will miss something important in the end

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Here, for exemple, lop MU is Horrible

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Nothing wants to switch on it and only exca outspeed under sand

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Basically making the MU like a blue lock chapter where the winner is the one that devore the other fast enough

austere scarab
naive stump
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And, boy, you're not winning that one unfort

austere scarab
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they one shot me with drill run

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i just lost to this Pokemon...i was doing good

naive stump
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Sorry to not be able a proper rating, I'm a bit busy atm

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Here an exemple of a decent zard-y sand imo

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Its old stuff but should prolly be fine

austere scarab
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nice thank you

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i have a quite nature celesteela

hazy grotto
reef cobalt
#

hello, me again, i want to create a gen 6 ou team with diancie, and have come up with 2 other teammates for it, but im not sure what other pokemon i should opt for, or if the sets for the pokemon ive chosen are good

leaden fiber
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Wanna explain the thought process behind zone?

reef cobalt
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traps and deals with steel types like skarmory or ferrothorn

leaden fiber
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I'm not sure it's completely necessary

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Especially because rona abuses

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both of those pokemon

reef cobalt
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that’s true

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what other pokemon would you suggest then?

leaden fiber
#

With moth you still want a spinner

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and then something to deal with drill

reef cobalt
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i was thinking maybe dragonite or weavile since they take advantage of magic bounce from diancie

leaden fiber
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and volcanion

reef cobalt
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would starmie be good then?

leaden fiber
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Go for it

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Experiment

reef cobalt
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i see, any other suggestions?

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like other teammates i could opt for?

leaden fiber
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Not really, you can mess around with double spin too

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mie drill

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but idk

reef cobalt
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so i could go for my own excadrill?

leaden fiber
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Drill is #1 mon for reason

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For these kind of offenses you can also try something like scarf hwish latias

reef cobalt
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what does it do?

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for the team i mean

leaden fiber
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Giving rona a second chance is huge

reef cobalt
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ok how is this for a team?

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i dont know which mon i could replace for healing wish latias, but im willing to replace whichever pokemon i have in this team other than diancie

reef cobalt
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anything i should change or opt for instead of the team ive made?

leaden fiber
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Not sure we have too many oras people around here

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Let me direct you to uh

leaden gate
leaden gate
night eagle
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@naive stump

naive stump
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Just a bit weird of a few picks

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Gliscor is kinda slow and dont compress enough or what looks like an offense

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Scarf koko is also one of those pick that dont fit that much build unless you're in desperate need of speed control

night eagle
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Kinda

naive stump
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I think you can switch this weird BO into an old but good offense with lando + rotom over zapdos and gliscor

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And makes the scarf koko a kartana scarf

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Gliscor is broken indeed

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But with SD set

night eagle
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Build it around a electric terrain

naive stump
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Which barely fit high-paced team imo

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I mean

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Sure

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But its only one decent interaction

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Between KB and Koko

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The rest dont even synergize with electric terrain

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Zapdoq is a flyer and, therefore, dont get the boost

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Thunder punch on lop is barely a good option as it only hit toxapex

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Still cucked by clef or glis

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I mean

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You can keep the koko if you want

night eagle
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I see

naive stump
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But, in that case, I would go for some specs maybe

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But the lando rotom is still valid

night eagle
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Ye

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Lemme make a build

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What set on Tom wash

naive stump
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Another variant that works

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Is z-koko + kartana band + lop if you want

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Defog willo bold with a berry

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Usually, lop is mega that cheat with speed control and lets you go without a scarfer

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Esp when you paired lop with a good zam/lele check

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So its kinda weird to pair lop with another weak poke such as scarf koko

night eagle
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I see

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@naive stump

naive stump
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Still a bit weak

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I would go kartana band insteas

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And go QA + Fake out lop

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Could go HP Fire on magearna to lure scizor for lop and kart

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Rest looks fine

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Apart some nitpick on ev spread, but I'm a huge ev freak

rugged fossil
naive stump
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Usually I like to be faster than daunt and bulu band

rugged fossil
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So like 210

leaden gate
night eagle
naive stump
naive stump
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I'm not sure to get the ev spread on rotom

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And you can run 84 ev on speed to outspeed scizor btw

rugged fossil
#

What’s his hawlucha counter

naive stump
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Smart strike is fine on kart band

rugged fossil
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Looks a bit weak to lucha

naive stump
#

But I also like return/frustration to hit harder flyer and zard-y/zard-x

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Def

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Need to be super careful with rotom

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And being proactive with lop as well

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But endgame lucha is very annoying indeed

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But its a possible MU

rugged fossil
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True

naive stump
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Oh yh

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Also koko soft check lucha

rugged fossil
terse patio
upper plume
#

what tier is this

terse patio
#

There isn’t a limit on legendarys

upper plume
#

ok so I'm not super familiar w/ gen 7

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but if you want to ping gen 7 raters, I'd recommend having "Format: gen7ou" be in the description of the paste

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(there are also not a whole lot of them so you may have to wait)

terse patio
#

Oh okay

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I’ll re do it

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Thanks

upper plume
#

it's easier if you press the "Upload to Pokepaste" button within Showdown's teambuilder itself

terse patio
upper plume
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ok

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I asked some1 who develops the bot

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you'll have to send the link w/ the gen

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ex "pokepaste gen 7 ou"

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and then from there

obtuse prairie
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you dont need the bot to tag raters

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you can just..tag them

terse patio
karmic geyserBOT
#

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie, @naive stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

terse patio
obtuse prairie
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list is in #1024432517077540904

terse patio
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Oh sorry

terse patio
naive stump
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I need explications

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On haze chandelure

terse patio
naive stump
#

I mean

upper plume
#

interesting ev spread on zera

naive stump
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CM haze

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Yh

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Slower than lop I believe

terse patio
#

help me please

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I’m new to OU

naive stump
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Yh, I can see that

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Do you know samples teams?

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I think you just lack of any experience of sm ou

terse patio
terse patio
naive stump
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So, need to use decent stuff to get the hang of the tier

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Then, you can build

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But building without knowing anything

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Only leads to complete unviable team and you dont even learn a thing from that

terse patio
#

So what would you say are the biggest red flags about the team

naive stump
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Here brother

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Take a look

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Everything lol

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I can't really help because I'm sure the team has no purpose at all

terse patio
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In another server

#

Beat the first guy

naive stump
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Sure

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Still take a look at samples teams

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And grind a bit on sm ladd

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You can use your team as well

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Alongside

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I think you will easily notice the huge gap between your team and sample teams

terse patio
#

okay

#

Thanks a lot

rugged fossil
#

U got the German ho?

naive stump
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German ho?

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Xtrashine with gren over KB?

rugged fossil
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Ye

#

Think it was fini over lucha

naive stump
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Ah

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That variant

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No, I dont

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But the team is shit anw

#

6-0 kart and scizor

rugged fossil
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A friend needs it

naive stump
rugged fossil
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Oh I see

rugged fossil
#

Ash gren

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For

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If u don’t mind me asking

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Rocks calc?

naive stump
#

Oh that

#

Take one eq from 232 atk lando scarf at full

rugged fossil
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I see

naive stump
#

Yh, small optimization, nothing really relevant

balmy willow
#

could i please get some feedback for this

#

(ss)

karmic geyserBOT
#

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hasty ingot
#

you say it is HO but it is definitely not that

#

mew is a better HO lead than azelf, blace is usually scarf on HO, zarude is pretty close to unviable and probably should be a weavile, rotom is not good at all on HO, weezing is absolutely unviable in OU, and Urshifu is rarely seen on HO, and especially not with that set

#

there isn't much to work with here, i'd suggest looking at the SS sample teams and viability rankings to get a better sense for the meta

tribal smelt
#

Weezing galar on HO..

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Like yeah based but why

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Your whole gameplan and team feels like its cobbled together at random and as dex stated trying to see what samples do helps more

naive stump
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Eh cyber, need to post in the same message the past + the tier to trigger the bot

tribal smelt
#

Euopse.

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Fuck

naive stump
#

Just ping the rater youserlf at this point lol

tribal smelt
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God just hates me ig gg

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https://pokepast.es/90e24797ee4c106d @hasty ingot SS OU
Whipped this together off of an old replay I saw it feels like Blissey is entirely useless and outside of leading with Rilla and pivot switching the team has issues settling for a genuine wincon
Would Weavile > Blissey Gking > Torn work more since it feels like the team dosent really care much for status

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Its more that I genuinely dont understand what youre supposed to do with Rilla + Tran + Water cores since most of the available waters are slow and Rilla itself can be underwhelming unless you get Spikes Rocks up fast

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But the idea of a Tran healing as much as 16% continuously feels really good and annoying

#

Oh and the Gastrodon EVs seem meme but it nails a 2hko on the most standard 252 252 defense Pex

rugged fossil
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Are u familiar with chsrm flash ?

naive stump
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Yh

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Top player

rugged fossil
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Fat

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?

rugged fossil
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Tried imitating this shit

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This aswell

naive stump
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Sorry, I dont have his builder

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Only what he already posted on smogon

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Like his band kart cun offense

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Or mchomp vic KB BO

tropic schooner
#

I dont get why the celesteela isnt sd skarm but if its chsrm set then im not gonna judge

naive stump
#

Well

#

Its a trapper set

#

Bait toxa

rugged fossil
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Ye

naive stump
#

Metal sounds allows you to beat that moreover

rugged fossil
naive stump
#

SD skarm is an underrated breaker

rugged fossil
naive stump
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Not right now

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Yh

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Skypenguin as well

rugged fossil
#

Do u have the set ?

naive stump
#

Issue is that roll exist

rugged fossil
#

Sd skarm

naive stump
#

And its hard to snipe a spread with only one replay

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Sure

rugged fossil
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Oh I have quite a few replays

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Of him using that

#

I’m laddering 7 ou after quite a while

naive stump
#

Yh

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Then I can help maybe later

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Pm me the replays

#

I will try to give it a try

rugged fossil
#

Oof I’ll have to find the replays again

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I’ll try

rugged fossil
naive stump
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Lmao

#

Why do I see a terrak scarf here?

rugged fossil
#

The idea was to have a phys mon faster than lele

#

And would be in range to do as much as 75 to lel

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Lele

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Suitable candidate was

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Mega pinsir but looses 50 to rocks

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And I just didn’t want to go mega aero

#

Well actually

naive stump
#

Nah

rugged fossil
#

I think I can go mega aero

naive stump
#

Need a wish passer for that

#
  • team would be slow
#

Pinsir is a good idea tbh

#

Like, there was a semi-stall pinsir that SW spam a lot for ST

rugged fossil
#

Mega aero would give me speed control + recovery

rugged fossil
naive stump
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Nah

#

But I know the six

#

And sets

rugged fossil
#

What were the 6

naive stump
#

Just not the spread

rugged fossil
#

I see

#

I saw replays of proftreez

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He had a interesting team

naive stump
#

Scarf zone

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Specs gren

#

Chansey rocks

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Z-future sight bro

#

Pinsir

rugged fossil
#

I see

naive stump
#

Gliscor defog

#

Yh

rugged fossil
#

Isn’t that balanced

naive stump
#

I help a lot proftreez with its squad

#

Maybe

#

Its pretty fat for a balance for me

#

But its fair

rugged fossil
#

Scsrfed zone is too slow

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Not a real scarfer for me

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Imo

naive stump
#

Nah

#

Its not here for speed control

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It allows you to cheat with your kartana check

rugged fossil
#

Ye ik

naive stump
#

And avoid hazards wars from skarm and ferro

rugged fossil
rugged fossil
#

Zone

naive stump
#

Nah

#

Z-slowbro is very cool here

#

Chopple is alright if you want

#

As long you can reliably RK kart

#

Its fine

rugged fossil
#

Alright m8

#

Did u build a mamphy meme team

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Once

#

By any chance

naive stump
#

Yh

rugged fossil
#

Mamphy +

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Bronzong

#

Oh it was you

naive stump
#

I help treeman with his mamphy grass spam

#

Ah

#

Not that one

#

It was treeman by himself

rugged fossil
#

I see

#

I had that paste somewhere

rugged fossil
naive stump
#

Nah, shit squad

rugged fossil
#

Alright

naive stump
#

Mamphy grass spam is a bit better I feel

#

But its still not consistent enough

#

At least, this is why Treeman said to me after tests

rugged fossil
#

I see

rugged fossil
#

Basically below ou

#

Idk but mandibuzz sounds good

#

Ground and Psycic immunity

#

Plus decent bulk

naive stump
#

Hum

#

I tried mandibuzz

#

U-turn to bait clef

rugged fossil
#

Ye

naive stump
#

Its not really reliable that much for me

rugged fossil
#

Alright

rugged fossil
#

Would sork sell

#

Work well

#

With that shit

naive stump
#

Mandibuzz

#

Like I said

#

I tried with nidoking I believe

rugged fossil
#

Particularly in defensice core

naive stump
#

Something like sub nido + u-turn mandi + zard-x

#

Hum

#

Its a flyer that can use foul play to beat zard-x and SD kart

rugged fossil
#

I see

naive stump
#

Let me check if I have still have the team I made with it

rugged fossil
#

Alright

naive stump
#

Prob all bad but this is what I tried

rugged fossil
#

Ty m8

rugged fossil
#

Gen 6 ou

leaden fiber
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@silver reef