#Old Gens OU

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raw hornet
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But it can't heal

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Never mind it has wish

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Maybe jirachi could fit in your team so it can help with tapu lele

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Maybe you should remove tangrowth

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He's not very useful

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Since you already have alomomola as a physical wall

obtuse prawn
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Yea but then i diw to kart

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die*

raw hornet
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Tangrowth doesn't really check kartana

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I think

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Well aggron mega checks kartana

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Just put jirachi and it might be good

obtuse prawn
obtuse prawn
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straight up

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even +2 breakneck blitz doenst kill

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cb also does very less

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sd + kncok off also does 60%

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which item on jirachi?

raw hornet
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Left

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Lvers

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Just take the smogon set

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With wish

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@obtuse prawn

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Why is your clefable full special defense

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For aggron mega you should take the smogon set

obtuse prawn
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Hmm

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Okay

obtuse prawn
obtuse prawn
raw hornet
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Aggron-Mega @ Aggronite
Ability: Filter
EVs: 248 HP / 56 Atk / 200 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Heavy Slam
  • Earthquake
  • Ice Punch
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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 248 HP / 188 SpD / 72 Spe
Careful Nature

  • Wish
  • Protect
  • Iron Head
  • U-turn
obtuse prawn
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Oh

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ice punch?

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i used to run fire to beat kart

raw hornet
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For the last slot you can play whatever

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On aggron

obtuse prawn
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yea

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and what about clef

raw hornet
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Fire Punch is good ye

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Clef is full defense

obtuse prawn
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oh

raw hornet
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Since you already boost you special defense with calm mind

obtuse prawn
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yea

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okay

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triple wish pass

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true cancer

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😂

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mega aggron finna live forever

raw hornet
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Yeah

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Maybe we can remove one wish

obtuse prawn
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m aggron shoes

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shows*

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max spd

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idk

raw hornet
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Take the aggron set I send

obtuse prawn
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okay

raw hornet
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Same for jirachi

obtuse prawn
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yeah

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hmm about removing wish

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@tribal smelt u there

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if i remov wish

raw hornet
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Maybe we can remove a wish I don't know

obtuse prawn
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i remove it on clef

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yea

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if we do though it should be clef

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since jirachi needs wish anyway

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i guess il just keep it for now

raw hornet
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Yeah

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We'll see later

obtuse prawn
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Yes

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are u sure kart gets blocked tho

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if the dude knocks off or sds

raw hornet
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Yes because you have aggron mega and SD isn't that good

obtuse prawn
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Hmm

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o

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wait are u making one too?

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nicee

raw hornet
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With Heal bell

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No no

obtuse prawn
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oh

raw hornet
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I'm not making one

obtuse prawn
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thanks then

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ah

raw hornet
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Wait

obtuse prawn
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wait what

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ur running

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low hp on alomomola

raw hornet
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It's the smogon set

obtuse prawn
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yeah but

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i think for this team its better to run

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max hp max def

raw hornet
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It maximize the bulk

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Since it already have big hp

obtuse prawn
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okay

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works

raw hornet
obtuse prawn
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oh

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thanks

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i was saying max hp cause then fusion bolt kyurem b does only 53%

raw hornet
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Kyurem Black doesn't kill aggron mega and jirachi so it is not a problem

obtuse prawn
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ok

tribal smelt
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Idk why you would remove wish..?

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On Clef it makes sense since then you get Boiled + CM + Heal Bell + Bold

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Lets you beat chomp Rona

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But if you really want Mgrron to live forever it being Wish tect seems fine personally

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Bold is the better of the two since Chansey + Clef can pivot around CM for days

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And its just a good nature in general on Unaware clef, youd be surprised at how much it can MU lock

obtuse prawn
obtuse prawn
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so i stick with max def bold wish protect

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what about jirachi in the team instead of tangrowht is that good too?

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like how joby said

tribal smelt
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I think double Steel can be finnicky but it does slot alright here

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Makes Lele easier to pilot too

obtuse prawn
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is there any better mon u can think of than jirachi or nope this works?

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how about av mag does that work or nah

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but that loses triple wish

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and flinch spam

tribal smelt
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Rachi is the go to "idk its good at neutering Lele" pick for stall whenever its available

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So personally try Rachi until it stops working

obtuse prawn
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Alright cool

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thanks a ton man

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u helped a lot

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thanks @raw hornet

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:)

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il try it out and if there are major weaknesses il let yk

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char y with fireblast if it weakens chansey shits on my team

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should i run knock on gliscor since i dont got a knocker?

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but toxic really helps to land one on lando

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very unpredictable for them

tribal smelt
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Zero knock makes Torn live forever which is suuuuper annoying

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So I would personally never drop knock on Stall Gliscor

obtuse prawn
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so i switch it for toxic?

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but idk toxic also seems really helpful

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its like landing on everything like greninja lando etc

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how do i stop fusion bolt kyurem b in electric terrain?

fallow grail
obtuse prawn
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mainly for the bulky wish pass alomomola possesses

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nothing else really

short hedge
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id make ttar ddance

fallow grail
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I would make your ttar dragon dance. Also wouldnt be a pure physical set with firepunch be more effectiv? And the last one if more of a preffrence, but i would personaly use chopple, or shucaberry on ttar.

obtuse prawn
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if i make those changes are there any new weaknesses?

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or nah

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so pex for alomomola

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and tangrowth for?

fallow grail
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I am not saying, that you need to make those changes. Its just something i have noticed and was curios about. But i dont think you would introduce any new weaknesess, that you wouldnt Cover.

obtuse prawn
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yh

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but if i have

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growth and pex

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i die to psyspam

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so yea thats why jirachi was there

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im actually confused on what to do now lol

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ok il make a change on alomomola to knock

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so it can handle torns easier

fallow grail
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But you have a chansey and a steel type. How is psybeam a problem?

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*psyspam

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Damn autocorrect...

leaden fiber
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bc its

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psyspam

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tapu lele psyshocks dafuq out of

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chansey

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but

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realistically u win

raw hornet
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Psyspam is really hard to handle

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Especially for stall

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And the steel type is aggron mega wich can get 2hko'd by a Specs tapu Lele Psychic under the terrain

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After Stealth rocks

fallow grail
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Ok... for real here. He has multiple Protect users on his team. Pex has baneful bunker. It should not be hard to get this Switch in right on lele...

leaden fiber
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its not lele

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its mzam also

raw hornet
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And like I told you the only switch in of his team was aggron mega

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Before jirachi comes in

unborn solstice
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ok so yes this team is awful but i'm trying to make a team out of non-OU or mostly non-OU mons

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would love tips

reef cobalt
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sorry to interrupt but i’d like to get some advice for a gen 5 ou team

leaden fiber
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@surreal crypt

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i think some of the sets r a little weird

reef cobalt
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i notice that most of my pokemon have a fighting type weakness (along with water and ground weaknesses) , and i wanted to ask, other than reuniclus, what answers to these weaknesses i should put, or which of my pokemon i should replace for other pokemon

reef cobalt
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any advice with explanations helps me out a lot! im still barely starting out in competitive

surreal crypt
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Team looks cool

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But

surreal crypt
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Thats the only change id do

reef cobalt
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i see, so no other changes to the pokemon themselves?

surreal crypt
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And Heatran use Magma Storm or Lava Plume over Fire Fang

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Fire Fang will do 0

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Lava Plume can burn

reef cobalt
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WAIT I MEANT TO PUT FIRE BLAST

surreal crypt
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Magma Storm trap and deals chip + sand damage

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Fire Blast works too but id def run Magma for dmg or Lava for Burn

reef cobalt
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thank you for catching that haha

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oh i see!

surreal crypt
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Maybe Explosion ferro can help a bit there

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Only for Volcarona

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Explosion over Knock

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But its just an option

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Team looks fine w Def Reuniclus and the move on Heatran 🤣👍

reef cobalt
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gotcha! thank you!

surreal crypt
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Np man gl testing

reef cobalt
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thank you haha

reef cobalt
surreal crypt
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Its for Terrakion and fighters

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Also defensive EVs allow you to 1v1 Landorus

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And few others

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CM Def can be a wincon without issues

reef cobalt
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got it!

reef cobalt
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would an ev set of 252 hp, 226 def, and 32 sp atk work with life orb for reuniclus? since im assuming it doesnt get recoil from it thanks to its ability, and recover helps it heal

fallow grail
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I would suggest ice beam instead of tb on chansey. Covers more options of your opponets Switches. Also thunderwave is better the bodyslam. Also your snorlax Set is a bit confusing to me. Why do you use seismictoss on it and not eq? Lastley your starmie. I would have surf over hydro. More acuret and more pp, wich is arguebly the more important Part. Also i would have psychic on it and Blizzard. With 90% acuracy and a lot more Power behind it, it is the more effectiv move for starmie.

fallow grail
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I personaly prefer lefties on excadrill with protect, but that is just a preference. Scarf will do fine too i think.

fallow grail
# leaden fiber its mzam also

For one, like i said; he has Chansey and a steel type. Let chansey handle zam. Focus blast is not going to Hit all the time and chansey can take a few of them. If toxic it and watch it perish. If lele comes in, we know what it is going to do. Psyshock. Switch to aggron. Heavy slam the everloving **** out of what ever comes in and when it gets worn down Pass a wish to it.

raw hornet
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Zam kill aggron mega and tapu Lele kill chansey

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And the opposing tapu Lele can anticipate the aggron switch and 2hko it with psychic

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Almost

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Jirachi beats those 2 pokemon

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Except maybe for shadow Ball zam

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But zam can't kill chansey

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So jirachi is best here

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And I don't know what pokemon you could've put here instead of jirachi

tranquil quartz
fallow grail
obtuse prawn
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so what do i do

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stick with the team or?

obtuse prawn
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i guess i can make a change

upper plume
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just max out the bulk to take as many hits physically as possible

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and also leftovers

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life orb can work on it but it's more suited to offensive trick room sets that don't set up

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reun has a naturally high spa and boosts easily with cm

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so you may as well run leftovers so that you don't have to manually heal w/ recover super frequently

obtuse prawn
upper plume
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yeah I do rates for bw

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technically I'm signed up for rates for bdsp but I'm also knowledgeable w/ bw ou to do rates for that

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also

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your tyranitar's ev's are misaligned

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because ev's only increase a stat when you have 4 EV's in a stat, the 90evs in attack functionally is the same as 88 evs in attack

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so you're essentially missing a stat point which you may as well take advantage of

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so I'd probably stick with 88 attack and 192 spd evs

upper plume
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sry

obtuse prawn
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its ok

fallow grail
raw hornet
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Alomomola can't handle very well Lele and same for clefable

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The tapu Lele just have to anticipate the switch on aggron mega and click psychic

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If the chansey doesn't switch it can probably be killed with psyshock

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Even if he remove jirachi I don't even know what pokemon could've fit here

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Jirachi is literally the only option here so you don't get obliterated by tapu lele

raw hornet
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And the protect user are like the 2 pokemon that gets the most damage from a Specs lele's psychic

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252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable in Psychic Terrain: 360-424 (91.3 - 107.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

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252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable in Psychic Terrain: 258-304 (65.4 - 77.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 40 HP / 252 SpD Alomomola in Psychic Terrain: 412-486 (85.6 - 101%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 40 HP / 216+ Def Alomomola in Psychic Terrain: 253-298 (52.5 - 61.9%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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Those 2 pokemons can switch against tapu lele but that's too predictable

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Even z move tapu Lele can be hard to handle

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Especially because that's a Unaware clefable that takes stealth rocks and have big chance to get 2hko'd

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By tapu Lele's psyshock

obtuse prawn
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thanks joby

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yea jirachi might as well be needed

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but i was thinking of something more tanky like av magearna

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in case of hp fires

pine root
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leaden fiber
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u have

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scarf hwish lati on a team w blissey

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do u see the problem?

pine root
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and not with much time

leaden fiber
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.

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ok

upper plume
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Blissey isn't inherently bad on offense

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But a gliscor in that slot seems just better

pine root
upper plume
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U-turn, Knock, eq

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More utility

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Brings in your hitters

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Checks Luke to boot

pine root
upper plume
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Next up

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Sciz should move evs to spdef

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It'll be ur primary switch to latias

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You want to give your team insurance against it since otherwise you don't switch into it

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Spdef gliscor is good yes

pine root
upper plume
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Actually I might run defense on glisc

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If sciz handles special stuff

pine root
upper plume
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Yeah

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Tho now tran becomes a problem

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Hmm

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I'd run speed on glisc

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You don't need to go max

pine root
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how much for the tran

upper plume
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I think a generally good benchmark is Adamant lucario

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Which also outspeeds tran

pine root
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280?

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luc was 279

upper plume
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Yeah

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That's a good benchmark

pine root
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216 speed evs is excessive

upper plume
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You can run a Jolly Nature instead

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And put more evs in def

pine root
upper plume
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You don't really need max Speed glisc

pine root
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new gliscor

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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 4 SpD / 116 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • U-turn
  • Earthquake
  • Roost'
upper plume
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Seems fine

pine root
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i just want to ask how do people get games for low pop metas

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or unofficial ones

upper plume
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Like which ones

leaden fiber
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u ask

pine root
leaden fiber
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in the respective rooms

pine root
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like broken record

upper plume
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Yeah just ask

leaden fiber
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okay i have no idea what broken record is

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but

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if its like lower tier oldgen u just ask

pine root
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gen 8 meta

leaden fiber
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thats an OM right

pine root
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i loved it

leaden fiber
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then u go into <<om>>

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and ask

pine root
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showdown room

upper plume
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There's also the Old Shark subroom I think

leaden fiber
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yes

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or join the discord

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which is somewhere

pine root
pine root
upper plume
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I realized

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Mb

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The main room should hopefully be fine

fallow grail
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You could also use twave on Starmie. I porsenaly like this more, singen blizzard is going to take care of your opponets ground types anyways.

raw hornet
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It's 120 base power with no stab

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It's really not that strong

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Hidden Power fire is more for ferrothorn

leaden gate
tranquil quartz
obtuse prawn
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so idk what i run man

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finna confused rn

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@rugged fossil

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lol picked some1 with stall in their name

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can u help out too

rugged fossil
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?

obtuse prawn
rugged fossil
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No I abuse stall teams

obtuse prawn
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oh

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bruh.

tribal smelt
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Huh

tranquil quartz
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I have not played with it much I just wanted some reviews by ya'll lmao

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Lmao, When I get the right time sure

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I wont forget

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  • I thought it was a bad team at first lmao
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and I am new to Showdown and stuff...

obtuse prawn
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should i stick wit original

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this is original

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just swapped scald with knock off on alomomola

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to get a mon with knock on my team

tribal smelt
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This is pretty fine

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MU checks out, uh HP ice on Lando is a bit genuinely annoying here which I think is really funny

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With gen 7 having too many toxic slots is pretty bad for progress

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Knock -> toxic always if its available

obtuse prawn
obtuse prawn
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i didnt get what u meant

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knock to toxic whenebr possible?

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or use knock when possible

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btw ferrothorn really fucks me up

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with leech androcks spam

viral mortar
karmic geyserBOT
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obtuse prairie
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would recommend using samples and checking out the vr

leaden fiber
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idk its a little unconventional

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same six, diff mons

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er

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sets*

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second one is more slow ish

silver reef
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zerkas...

leaden fiber
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ye?

silver reef
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i too like water resist Kartana

leaden fiber
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yeah so thats why glimmer was saying pex

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but like

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.

silver reef
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just fit a washtom somewhere

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prolly over the av tar

leaden fiber
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then i lose to the rona

silver reef
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before that

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why do u have two rockers

leaden fiber
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bc its cool

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:(

silver reef
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and second, u can fix the rona issue with like giga impact scarf kart

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its not setting up for free vs most of this team

leaden fiber
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yeah fair enough

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do u drop smart strike

silver reef
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that or knock

leaden fiber
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why knock

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that seems bad

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also not having tar feels bad into tias

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idk if av mage beats it

silver reef
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av gear doesnt beat it unless ur lucky with ib yea

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or Fleur ig

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smart is usually the move ppl drop

leaden fiber
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does that win v lati tho?

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idts

leaden gate
tropic schooner
silver reef
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zard-y clicks that anyways vs teams w.o one of chansey, pex, latis

tropic schooner
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Thats why just run pex

silver reef
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pex doesnt make sense on such a momentum centric team

tropic schooner
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Also it doesnt against ttar teams if you bait solar

silver reef
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ur just exposing urself vs gliscor and zam + lele

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alot of rotom teams dont have good zard-y checks anyways

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psyspam, dated rotom-maw BO, Ojamas SPL teams

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etc

tropic schooner
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Thats fair ig but your speed control also losing to chary is kinda

silver reef
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ur answer to not losing to zard-y is keep up rocks with ur 6

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which is hella doable

silver reef
tropic schooner
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Like if this team had idk a koko or a gren id be 100% fine with washtom

tropic schooner
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Or is that the wrong team

silver reef
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the structure im thinking of is

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rotom tran bulu scarf lando maw filler

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outdated structure cause ppl assumed volcarona was not a mon back then

tropic schooner
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Oh yea no

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Im thinking of wash ferro lando maw +2

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+2 usually includes a fire

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I like victini in there

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Or offensive tran

silver reef
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oh ive never seen maw on those teams

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its usually a fighter over maw

tropic schooner
leaden fiber
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Glimmer

silver reef
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mmaw + ferro is a very risky structure given that if u play a spex zone u autolose

leaden fiber
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Stop listening to sus

silver reef
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same with volc

leaden fiber
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u are better then sus at sm

tropic schooner
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Volc is why i like running a fire in +2

silver reef
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u need more than a fire for volcarona

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u need ways to actually rk it

leaden fiber
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unless the fire is

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volcanion

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!

tropic schooner
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Or gambittini

silver reef
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whos bad now

leaden fiber
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yes yes whatever sus

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go like play dpp ubers or something

tropic schooner
silver reef
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why is it

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half HO

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half balance

leaden fiber
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we call that BO susciety

tropic schooner
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Mabsol is a weird mon like that

silver reef
leaden fiber
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You definitely have BO though

silver reef
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this is like some weird balance

leaden fiber
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sorry I'll stop saying shit now and go do homework

tropic schooner
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It requires a lot of defensive support but also needs like volcarona or hone claws kyub to be worth running

silver reef
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ok so the first thing i realize is that

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sd gliscor is a gigantic threat vs this

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cause ur way of rking it is a serperior which doesnt rk it cleanly

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it just mashes facade + eq actually

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medi is also annoying

tropic schooner
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Medi is always annoying for this kinda structure so i just ignore that

silver reef
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i think structures using pex gear glisc really need mlati

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it compresses the gliscor, sd kart and gives u avenues out vs mmedi to pivot

tropic schooner
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Could try skarm here

silver reef
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if u are going to use mabsol outside of HO u need voltturn

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otherwise id just build HO

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where ur ways of absoling is just trading

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and it helps HO cause it gives u outs vs hazardmons

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like slow rockers get punished by mabsol if they rock into it which is good for volc based HOs

tropic schooner
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Wash scarf lando gear

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Altho scarf lando would need to be rocker

night eagle
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Les go

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Mission top 1

leaden fiber
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worrywhirl gxe

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but yeah, keep grinding

night eagle
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Started 2-3 weeks baxk

opal beacon
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ladder sucks I just use ladder to check teams out and stuff

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never felt the motivation to grind for #1 but no time either

obtuse prawn
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ah lol

obtuse prawn
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im so inconsistent

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i go to 1840 suddenly and come back to 1700

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xD

gritty scaffold
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tranquil quartz
karmic geyserBOT
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viral mortar
leaden gate
acoustic root
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nvm

tranquil jay
obtuse prairie
viral mortar
obtuse prairie
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yea in the sm forum

viral mortar
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okay thank you

peak canyon
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You also kind of have negative synergy between rilla's grassy terrain and excadrills earthquake

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But you can probably play around it

rugged fossil
obtuse prairie
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it has a chance to but very low odds

peak canyon
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33% chance

obtuse prairie
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33 sounds high, thought it was 10?

peak canyon
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The formula is 1/3X, with X being each time you used protect/detect/other protection moves before this one successfully (the full list is all around, look it up if you're that interested)

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So protect 1 always works, protect 2 has a 1/3 chance, if it fails protect 3 always works, if protect 2 works protect 3 is 1/9

raw hornet
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The more your protect are successful the less are the chance for protect to be successful

leaden fiber
leaden gate
tranquil quartz
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

leaden fiber
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why eball on reun

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  • u need defog
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on gliscor

leaden gate
tranquil quartz
obtuse prairie
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team is actually very close to a knwon semi stall structure so i can send you it iyw

tranquil quartz
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I did not know that

gritty scaffold
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

leaden gate
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

leaden fiber
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questionable team

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phy & bliss dont rly fit imo

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ur running zardy w/ no removal

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idk u do nothing

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like

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talonflame clicks sd once and ul ose

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u have zero keldeo switchin

tribal smelt
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Team tries to do too much

leaden gate
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mainly been losing to that

gritty scaffold
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u can use bulky water types

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and if u want to be more extreme Shedinja

leaden gate
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i used latias

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kinda eats icy wind and fixes hazard removal issue

gritty scaffold
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i mean main problem if it starts setting up

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also scarf

leaden gate
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and replaced phy with keldeo

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also wtf is the difference between keldeo and keldeor

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is it like toxtricity where it gets an extra move

leaden fiber
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er

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secret sword

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irrc

leaden gate
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so does the reg one

leaden fiber
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just use resolute it doesnt matter

leaden gate
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ight

leaden fiber
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anyways now ur team looks like mono lose to mega diancie w support

leaden gate
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bruh

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how to fix

leaden fiber
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and mlop

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and like

leaden gate
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i dont like the chomp tbh

leaden fiber
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i mean ffs ur running keldeo on sun lol

leaden gate
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tini over it?

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i have never touched gen 6 comp in my life bro

leaden fiber
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ur just naming random mons at this point

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i would like

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at least do some reading up on the metagame and then try to build tbh

leaden gate
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read?

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where

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i just spectate matches in gen 6

leaden fiber
acoustic root
weak mirage
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this team works

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you can consider some minor set changes but the six mons + the current sets work

acoustic root
weak mirage
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you can consider thunderbolt over psychic on lead starmie and thunderbolt over earthquake over tauros

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i would definitely using thunderbolt tauros because cloyster is really strong against rhydon+exeggutor, and if you do that you can use earthquake over hyper beam on snorlax so both tauros and snorlax dont drop earthquake for gengar, but since you have rhydon+exeggutor it should be okay

acoustic root
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okay

weak mirage
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ANOTHER thing you can consider is sing over thunderbolt on chansey, since double sleepers provide a lot of flexibility and a strong safety net

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but you probably don't need that, especially if you are starting out

fickle tulip
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SSOU

gritty scaffold
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @cyan ether, @peak canyon, @hasty ingot, @strong frigate. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

strong frigate
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you have a serious rotom

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ice beam > dm on defensive tias

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you don't need fire blast on chomp, i think stone edge + leftovers would be better on it

gritty scaffold
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oh alr then thanks for telling me to fix some of the moves picardia ive forgot to change to bold

upper plume
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Only serious rotoms for serious gamers

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Other than that seems fine

gritty scaffold
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serious gaming

upper plume
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W/ tuthur's changes

peak canyon
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i dont like beat up

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just slap assurance

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like theres no sasher to kill with it anyway

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the only one that you might see once in a lifetime is azelf

gritty scaffold
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alr then

peak canyon
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the rest as they said above

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if you feel clefable problems

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flash cannon > earth power on heatran

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but depends on your gut feeling

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this COULD get clefable problems

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so just putting it there

gritty scaffold
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hm yea true

upper plume
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Trapper tran should hopefully be fine

raw hornet
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What would be the best set for a corrosion glimmora

upper plume
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what is a glimmora

rigid linden
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

leaden fiber
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Not Good

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You have like some sort of screens offense with lead clefable because whyh not

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and then you have a toxapex

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which is completely unnecessary

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and the rest of this team fails to kill anything

late fog
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Gen 7 OU

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@azure torrent @obtuse prairie

rare token
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Looks really good, I see no issues

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Should win vs most teams

rare token
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Where’s the stall?

gritty scaffold
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

obtuse prairie
gritty scaffold
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oh there is one?

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alr then

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mb i thought i should post here because is gen 8

late fog
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@obtuse prairie

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@azure torrent

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Gen 7 OU

obtuse prairie
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lele and zam also sort of shred thru

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i think the defensive backbone is a bit lacking rn

late fog
late fog
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but i'd like yours as well

obtuse prairie
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no speed control there either

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triple steel also doesnt sound like a fantastic core

hot trail
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Gen7 OU, been too lazy to learn anything past

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@obtuse prairie @azure torrent

reef cobalt
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im looking for advice on building a team for dp ou

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so far ive gotten an empoleon as a lead with ice beam and stealth rock, though im still unsure if i should run ice beam or aqua jet instead

IMG_0551.png
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but i dont know what are its best teammates

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ive heard dragonite appreciates it but not sure what else i could run

leaden fiber
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if you are new to the metagame I would just look into sample teams and play a bit on ladder before deciding to build

reef cobalt
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oh i see

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ill do that then

leaden fiber
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empoleon as lead does not deny rocks but tries to guarantee a ko on opposing leads while keeping sash

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so u usually try to trade leads and rocks on both sides

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and maybe get another hydro off bc u are not setup fodder

reef cobalt
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oh i see

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so what pokemon are best to pair it up with that would benefit from it setting up rocks and trading with leads?

leaden fiber
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pokemon not weak to rocks

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like for example rocks weak offense mons like dragonite and gyarados are seen with faster taunt leads that try to deny rocks above all else: see, aerodactyl, azelf

reef cobalt
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oh, i see

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so would tyranitar be a good partner?

leaden fiber
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it fits everywhere, but u'd have to go into more detail about like which sets

reef cobalt
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maybe choice band?

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maybe ill add trick room bronzong as well

leaden fiber
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That's one of the sample teams

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lead empo cb tar otr zong

reef cobalt
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should i change tyranitar to be brave nature with 0 spd ivs and max hp and attack?

reef cobalt
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ill see what they opted to do then and make a similar team

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how is magnezone as a teammate?

dreamy lion
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https://pokepast.es/4c314cb1bc0787fb

Gen 7 OU. Ima be completely honest I'm not too sure what I'm doing. I know I'm aiming for hyper offense, and I really want to utilize M-Absol and Zeraora. If anyone could help point me in the right direction that'd be most appreciated.

karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

leaden fiber
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Usually on hyper offense you wnat

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boosters that can win the game

dreamy lion
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Figured

leaden fiber
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Mabsol on HO is valid but like

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The sets are just off

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And most of your mon choices don't really work

tropic schooner
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zera is terrible sadly and mabsol needs sd to function

leaden fiber
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Glimmer have you used z celebrate zeraora

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B)

hot trail
leaden fiber
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Ah

tropic schooner
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gengar is also pretty much outclassed and the mons that outclass it are c tier so yea

dreamy lion
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F

leaden fiber
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And honestly, SM OU rain is like

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mostly solved

tropic schooner
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you can do variations with like thundy and kingdra and stuff but

leaden fiber
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It's pelipper + mpert + gren + manaphy + one bird + two of your pivots or hazards

tropic schooner
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this aint it

leaden fiber
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^

hot trail
leaden fiber
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The biggest rain is (somehow not a sample?!)
pelipper mpert gren phy torn ferro/mage

tropic schooner
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the main "solved" rain is basically
peli
mpert
ash gren
tornadus t
ferro
magearna/mana

tropic schooner
leaden fiber
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ske had mage > ferro originally

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It was pretty good

dreamy lion
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So ima have to rebuild basically from the ground up. What are some of the routes you'd approach my requirements with? Also outside of here are there any really good specific resources to aid me in doing my homework? Kinda overwhelmed with the sheer amount of data and info available.

leaden fiber
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Mmh

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U could sd chomp + mabsol

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and then build out from there

dreamy lion
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What would be ideal to swap off on Absol for SD?

leaden fiber
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sd knock sucker superpower

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I believe?

tropic schooner
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It has a lot of options for moves but knock is basically mandatory

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Then 2 of sucker, superpower, play rough, iron tail

leaden fiber
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what does pr hit anyways

tropic schooner
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If you have a build that hates mlati

leaden fiber
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Feels like not suit on HO

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but ye

tropic schooner
leaden fiber
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oh

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Yes

tropic schooner
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And keldeo if you count that

leaden fiber
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I do not

dreamy lion
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So keeping Chomp on the comp with SD

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do I want Rocks on Chomp?

leaden fiber
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Yeah

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I mean, lando works too. it's up to you

dreamy lion
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to chomp or rocks or yes?

leaden fiber
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You want a lead rocker so

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Either, really

dreamy lion
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gotcha

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So Chomp, MAbsol, Zeraora. What should I consider for the other 3?

leaden fiber
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Zeraora is....

dreamy lion
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On the teams I've used her on, I've been using her as a late game cleaner

tropic schooner
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The issue is

leaden fiber
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the issue is u could be using like any other mon 😭

dreamy lion
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koko exists Dx

tropic schooner
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Its too weak to pose any threat to anything really

reef cobalt
leaden fiber
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Send?

reef cobalt
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sorry i clicked enter prematurely haha

leaden fiber
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k

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hm

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Idk who you are magnet rising for lol

dreamy lion
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Ignoring Zeraora for now, what should I be considering and what alternatives could I swap with Zeraora with that serve the same purpose?

reef cobalt
leaden fiber
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i assume scarf

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would work well here

reef cobalt
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ok!

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is everything else good?

leaden fiber
reef cobalt
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the choice of pokemon and sets?

karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

upper plume
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Lopunny doesn't fit

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I would replace it

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Or play oras if you're intent on using it

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Also magnezone on this team is questionable

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Next you're missing speed control

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I'd replace lopunny with a scarfer or make your garchomp scarf and put a keldeo check

reef cobalt
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yeah i feel like lopunny isnt good outside of its mega evolution from what i recall, it has significantly lower attack

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im not as knowledgeable on generations prior to 6 or 7 but i think lopunny is best used as a mega

leaden fiber
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It is only used a mega lol.

fickle tulip
late fog
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Gen 7 OU

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@rugged hinge @orchid tiger @obtuse prairie

leaden fiber
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u need an electric resist

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smth like gliscor

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bc otherwise something like

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kyub will 6-0 u

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or physical koko

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okay gliscor doesnt really solve

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kyub

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but you get my point

late fog
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yes

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i do

opal beacon
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stall in general loses to mons like manaphy and kyub

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kyub in electric terrain is just enough

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its z move at the right is bound to kill one mon

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and freeze shock is a mad move in iteself

leaden fiber
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indeed

tribal smelt
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Freeze shock Z + moldbreaker + a breaker mega in the back is all you really need to completely invalidate most stall teams

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And no, MAggron is not a good response to a mon that two shots you barely invested with EP

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From my experience what youre forced to do is throw in something useless, hope it dosent predict your switch eat the Z and then try to nail it with status before it turns your physical walls to mush

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Best response I have seen versus that is Mola+Avalugg which is about as much of an MU fish as youd expect

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Oh and if its sub 3a youve probably lost if you cant get SR up

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Without any irony the mon is worse than Lele in gen 7

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For stall

raw hornet
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It's coverage is too good

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But if he have sub he doesn't have earth power cuz he need ice beam to deal consistent ice damage

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So pokemon like rotom wash or magnezone

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Can switch in

tropic schooner
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Non maggron stall completely loses to sub hone claws kyub

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Clef gets ohkoed by +1 freeze shock without even z moving

late fog
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Gen 7 OU

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m-gallade offense

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@obtuse prairie @azure torrent @tribal smelt

tribal smelt
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Cant rate this :/

peak canyon
late fog
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no, m-gallade and volcanion stay together, they're a core

late fog
tranquil quartz
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https://pokepast.es/4e412ea9b48ea614 Made this team with Mega Medicham, not sure how it is tho and will like some advice on this team in changing of movsets, mons and ev's (no leggie run btw)

leaden gate
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over like pex i dont see why it exists

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u got clef and ferro

raw hornet
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Gliscor and toxapex should be removed they are kind of balance pokemon

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Medicham méga fits more offensive team

leaden fiber
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@polar nacelle https://pokepast.es/b53f72e12db5b52a
thoughts? i was doing smth around cloy molt spikes w double roar to fuck blissey
scared vs rocks:
tar, aero - considering tect molt to mess w/ aero but thats less fun?
ddtar in particular seems very hard to stop, need to keep gross at full

late fog
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you guys missed this one out

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@rugged hinge

leaden fiber
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dont just ping mods lol

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idt lily even plays the tier

late fog
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oh ah

rare token
leaden fiber
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agree, think u want a scarfer

late fog
rare token
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Scarf kart is good here

late fog
leaden fiber
rare token
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that’s not a core

late fog
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so scarf kart > volc

leaden fiber
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yeah, honestly that sounds like a pretty easy solve

late fog
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is there anything else?

rare token
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Flynium on landorus

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This team baits in tangrowth hard with kartana and mega gallade

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  • not using z in gen 7 is throwing
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Replace hp ice for fly

leaden fiber
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z fly on defensive? :O

rare token
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Landorus is strong

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Eq into skystrike after rocks kills

late fog
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@rare token @obtuse prairie @azure torrent

late fog
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i was thinking about that

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as well

peak canyon
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No item team

leaden fiber
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#1024432517077540904

peak canyon
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Gen 8ou

leaden fiber
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dont like.. use no items lol

peak canyon
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It's for a tournament where items are not allowed hai

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And only 1 legendary

leaden fiber
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oh

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I don't think we can really rate that

peak canyon
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Yeah

leaden fiber
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sorry

peak canyon
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Okk

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But can I use it ? Well?

leaden fiber
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probably blobshrug

late fog
polar nacelle
leaden fiber
late fog
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well, sadly

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they skipped my team

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that's fine

tropic schooner
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this isnt old gens ou

spring condor
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Oops

tropic schooner
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please put your team in sv ou rates

spring condor
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My bad

peak canyon
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Servers big and they get a trilion pings

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And have their own lives

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Just how it is

polar nacelle
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Dont feel like u super need boom

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I think the extra bulk will help u with surviving stuff like mie hydro and opposing eqs bc ur prob gonna get spiked

leaden fiber
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Makes sense yeah

polar nacelle
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And if ur spiking urself then u dont need all the attack too

leaden fiber
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thats true

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i usually get up one spike max

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so its like

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mrh

polar nacelle
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Well if ur only getting 1 spike it may be better to go max atk

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But cloy jolt should allow u multiple spikes since u have entry on zap gar imo

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Another possibility is to consider dbond on gar

leaden fiber
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oye yeah i was recommended that

polar nacelle
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To stop dol spin

leaden fiber
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but it maybe makes me too weak to

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ddtar

polar nacelle
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Dbond or explosion

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For me its a tradeoff cos

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I think taunt is super useful for setting up agiligross

leaden fiber
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wait so

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taunt > wisp and dbond > boom?

polar nacelle
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I think i would always keep wisp

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Usually dbond goes in the boom/taunt slot or the ice punch slot

leaden fiber
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Ah

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Ok

torpid forge
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How do I add bulk to this team?

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Gen 7 ou

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I don't wanna remove kartana and greninja

leaden fiber
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Protgren should 99% of the time be z move, the sets are just weird

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Mandibuzz is

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not good

torpid forge
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Ok what should I replace it with?

torpid forge
leaden gate
leaden fiber
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ur latias is

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hp dragon

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.

leaden gate
leaden fiber
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ur latias

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is

leaden gate
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oh FUCK LOLL

leaden fiber
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hp dragon

leaden gate
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nah its hp fire

leaden fiber
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okay

leaden gate
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idk wtf teambuilder did

leaden fiber
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makes more sense

leaden gate
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btw speed is for exca

leaden fiber
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idk dude i barely play oras

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😭

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i think u lose to mlop

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u lose to

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talonflame also

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but like i said idk

leaden gate
#

ight

tight jasper
karmic geyserBOT
#

New OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tight jasper
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(Ok I got mislead in here by someone in chat sorry for posting at the wrong one)

tight jasper
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Heatran set might be changed to max spdef based on results

torpid forge
peak canyon
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Gen 7 OU?

leaden gate
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why hp fire on greninja when you have ice beam? @torpid forge

torpid forge
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for ferro and steel types

torpid forge
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shallIchangeit?

late fog
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so yeah

late fog
sacred steeple
karmic geyserBOT
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New OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sacred steeple
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It's stall team

tranquil quartz
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https://pokepast.es/4e412ea9b48ea614 Made this team with Mega Medicham, not sure how it is tho and will like some advice on this team in changing of movsets, mons and ev's (no leggie run btw)

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Also ignore the no image showing lmao

tribal smelt
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Rotom W isnt a stall fit

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Youre weak to Tran and you have zero good responses to Mawile

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Plus Mlop gets two good turns off and youre dead

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Go look at a sample and adjust your team after that

sacred steeple
tribal smelt
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Gliscor

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Skarmory

sacred steeple
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And used baneful bunker over toxic

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On pex

tribal smelt
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Dont use baneful bunker

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No point

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Use anything else

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Toxic is fine

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Jab makes Fini a non issue

sacred steeple
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Hmm

late fog
upper plume
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don't ping raters

late fog
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i did not

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not now

upper plume
#

the bot pings us for you

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no when you first posted that team

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only ping them if you're already getting helped

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also, there's nothing wrong w/ posting the team again

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if it didn't get help the first time

late fog
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uhh yes, i stopped pinging once, somebody told

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me

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to

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im sorry

upper plume
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ok

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I won't be able to help you for usum unfortunately

late fog
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5th time now

upper plume
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5 times is a lot

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but also a lot of people don't get helped

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I really can't help you but I'll try and move your rmt to other raters

ocean pawn
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i'm not a sm rater but maybe u could consider a more offensive balloon tran?