Old Gens OU

[tropic schooner]

so you dont get constantly hazed

mlop tspikes is a good idea

especially with something that can remove pex

[tribal smelt]

Nvm thats good

[tropic schooner]

that should be the idea of reun here

[tribal smelt]

Feels like Psyspam clicks though no

Not much stall gets to do there tbh besides win faster lol

[tropic schooner]

skarm semi cant do much about lele

you just pray to not get matched up into psyspam

[dry bay]

Ur team designed to shut down stalls but bruh, u got stalled out too 🤣

Turn 137, why u switch out in front of latias lmfao. U can still hit it with psyshock

But I truly hate watching stall vs stall battle 🤣

[night eagle]

My opponent would

Pp stall my reuni

I was low on pp already

My reuni is actually faster than pex apparently

Think he gave his pex speed investments

[tropic schooner]

Ok thats just outprepped then

[obtuse prawn]

https://pokepast.es/d514ddd266abc487

gen 7 ou

rmt?

bro

that guy gets so mad when i beat him wit stall

like he gets to 1750

and goes down a shit ton cause of me when im in 1500 lol

[raw hornet]

Yeah but it's stall what did you expect

[raw hornet]

It's literally Finchinator's Xtra HO with some moves changed

So it isn't really your team

[obtuse prawn]

okay

i didnt know that

someone just sent me the team

so i wanted to ask before using

[raw hornet]

Mhm

[obtuse prawn]

bro im not kidding lol

why would i post finch's team and ask for rmt im not that dumb

i just didnt know its already a professional team

[obtuse prawn]

wait but there isnt defog then

is it cause its hyper offense

[raw hornet]

I know I was serious

[obtuse prawn]

u still think i purposely posted his team?

[leaden fiber]

Ya, this is just xtra ho

U don't need defog

There's nothing to rate, really

@tropic schooner https://pokepast.es/3994013e10aae4e7

glimmeeoowww

Smh

[tropic schooner]

Terrible into rain

[leaden fiber]

oh

this is true

[tropic schooner]

And opposing z chomp

And sand

[leaden fiber]

i think my wincon into rain is literally

rocks -> kart

[tropic schooner]

Mega pert just clicks eq.

[leaden fiber]

for 50%

[tropic schooner]

They go torn

Since u need to leaf blade

Pivot out and eq again

So u lose

Your answer to sand and rain being

Kartana

Is bad

[leaden fiber]

rain also loses a mon every time medi gets in on ferro

[tropic schooner]

Ferro practically doesnt need to come in

Ever

[leaden fiber]

idk i dont think its an unplayable matchup

[tropic schooner]

It kinda is

Get an actual water resist

And when kart goes down

Mana just wons

Wins

Also u have to realise

Every time mmedi gets a kill

Mpert also gets a kill

And your mmedi can get crippled further by a ferrothorn than mpert getting crippled by a kartana which it outspeeds

So you practically get choked

So yea

Get an actual water resist

Dont think you need gren here

Whats z dig enabling

Just give the z to chomp

Then run pex on that slot

Since keldeo also wins

[leaden fiber]

zhbless mmedi

ic ur point ig

[tropic schooner]

Rather go zhb mmedi

And then an actual water

To also not lose to zardy

You also have more of a chance against zardx that way

[raw hornet]

Anyone for a SM OU fight?

[leaden fiber]

aw boring

[tropic schooner]

Would rebuild if you wanna fit that set

Cuz giving up a lot of matchups for a set isnt worth

[leaden fiber]

Ya

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/452a6c76cdb49236 Gen 7 OU?

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense pulsar]

https://pokepast.es/f6bda0f0fe4a177a
SS OU

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hasty ingot]

i feel like you have a lot of conflicting ideas here, it is better to stick with a cohesive team concept

for instance, that pult set and ninetales are hyper offense mons

the zera (choice band is bad btw) is usually found on offense or bulky offense

gastro and corv are usually on balance / stall

and ditto is not good but is used on stall only

not sure what the team is trying to accomplish

[lunar idol]

https://pokepast.es/579b41eb894dc5f4 gen 5

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @dull socket, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[azure torrent]

this loosk p good

looks*

idt you want double fire on tran tho

personally id go w magma + grass on tran to allow keldeo to run toxic or hp ice over grass

but if u are deadset on grass keld

i'd go ice on tran then, just as insurance to dissuade ddnite or incoming chomp

since landot is relied upon for all of those and drill and so on

so nice to have insurance

[lunar idol]

ah

ngl im liking the idea of HP grass on heatran

[azure torrent]

i also opt for psyshock on scarf latios rn to ohko tenta/cm keld and better into qd moth but

u are prob not needing that here

[leaden fiber]

https://pokepast.es/d35b599f3de1f78e

oras

wait, I guess bro should be scald

[lunar idol]

ngl i was running double fire to help kill things the team cant plow

but i did never think of grass or ice on ran

[azure torrent]

keep it if u want

just my 2 cents

[leaden fiber]

finch, u do oras?

or n

[lunar idol]

oh no i like the idea i was just saying why i had it in the first place, i wasnt trying to be rude
I was also kinda thinking on replacing drill for starmie but also double water double psy

[leaden fiber]

no, i guess 😭

@polar nacelle https://pokepast.es/2e8329ed80b71495
I know there's a camerupt, but I love this mon

Uh, this is pretty basic magoff
Gyara loves having something to absorb zapdos tbolt and boom waters that could otherwise stand in it's way (because no taunt)
metagross/lax/magneton are all pretty standard, lax EVs are

• ko skarm at +1
• live 2 +1 offcune hydros in sand

camel evs are:

• make zapdos hp / defensive gar ice punch a 4hko
• kill bulkless mence with ice out of sand

and then I have modest crocune to clean shit

I was thinking I COULD make gyara ghost...

But I'm already pretty messy into celebi

I made crocune ice beam instead of stalk to be safer into ddmence

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/622a56811e3d13be

@orchid tiger @hasty ingot

[hasty ingot]

band bulu is something i've thought about using, but not on a team like this

probably fits best on bulky offense with future sight support if i had to use it

gastro and blissey dont really fit into its playstyle

additionally, the buzzwole and zapdos sets are just not it

i do like the idea of those two with it though to help out against weavile and corviknight respectively

https://pokepast.es/b88b786f9b581bb0

this is my take on the concept

could drop horn leech for high horsepower, but it makes little difference because 9/10 times you are using either wood hammer or stone edge

could also run bulk up on buzzwole if you wanted, that could be interesting here too

[tropic schooner]

Yea i wanted bu zwole because band bulu was a way to beat up torn

And thats the main issue of bu zwole

https://pokepast.es/ab00a186b67f27cc

[raw hornet]

Do you guys like this team? https://pokepast.es/5e8dd3b7eb87288c

[tropic schooner]

really really REALLY weak to volcarona

[raw hornet]

Yes but I have gren scarf

[tropic schooner]

your dark resist being gren means other darks go ham as hell

weavile, opposing gren, etc

[raw hornet]

Yes you're right

[tropic schooner]

your first resort of a water being scarf gren isnt that good imo

scarf magne>specs

pex>gren

u still get speed control, but u beat volc regardless of set

[raw hornet]

A guy in Pokémon showdown that is good at SM OU said me that gliscor + Latios + magnezone was really strong but that I didn't necessarily needed speed

[tropic schooner]

being strong doesnt mean you can just

be slow

[raw hornet]

Yes

[tropic schooner]

lets say your lati went down and you needed to die there

but oppo has a fire type

you dont have any chance of beating said fire type without outspeeding it or living a hit

scarf zone and pex accomplish that

[raw hornet]

Mhm you're right

I find that what is behind is not strong enough to justify so little speed
you have speed with Gren, it's pretty good
but that's not necessarily what you would need here

That's what he said to me

[tropic schooner]

gren isnt what you need here thats correct

you need an actual water

and then speed

[raw hornet]

Yes

Okay I modify the team real quick

Any more changes to do?

[tropic schooner]

it seems fine to me outside of that

maybe a bit ice punch mlop weak

[raw hornet]

Yeah I guess but toxapex can maybe handle all of mlop's move

Wich greninja can't do

[tropic schooner]

it kinda can but you always have to be careful

[raw hornet]

Yeah

[tropic schooner]

and ofc the standard threats of mmedi and mmaw which you should just be able to beat by outspeeding and getting torn in

not much u can do about them here

[raw hornet]

Yes

Thanks Glimmeow

[tropic schooner]

np

[raw hornet]

Just one thing what set for toxapex the basic one?

[tropic schooner]

ye

with haze

[polar nacelle]

this looks like it will work. my only broad suggestion is to consider cb camerupt instead

its nice to have something that deters gar switchin but will just net the ko on anything else anyway which could help the offcune to work later on

more specific suggestions include possibly rain dance or sunny day on mag

something over protect on meta

rock slide most possibly

rock slide meta would probably fit better with cbrupt, hp grass meta would prob fit better with normal rupt

i generally do not like jolteon without spikes unless on some very select teams

but if you want to use it, have an offensive swampert so that you can bp to something that packs a punch

and similarly, id probably use focus punch snorlax as well

curse rest is probably the worst set on lax there

curse boom is probably better, but the set i'd recommend would still be a regular lax with focus punch

[sonic dust]

Okey ty

[sonic dust]

I have a GSC team if you want to see it

https://pokepast.es/a59c1fe50c5c8609

https://pokepast.es/50ded0f0ffcb8647

https://pokepast.es/48cff00e455a8bcd

https://pokepast.es/7e6e1fdb08f70f98

GSC teams with the same cores

[polar nacelle]

i dont know gsc unfortunately, you should ask someone on the gsc team

[sonic dust]

Oh i c

[sonic dust]

You know someone?

[leaden fiber]

Yes

@silver reef

[sonic dust]

And also already improved the team tho

[leaden fiber]

@half jungle

[polar nacelle]

refer to this #1024780809200222330 message

[leaden fiber]

Ye, I dig that

sandless will be huge for lax and cune to answer shit

what does cb camel run?

[polar nacelle]

explosion earthquake overheat return probably

[leaden fiber]

Hmm

[polar nacelle]

the most important move is explosion anyway

[leaden fiber]

Ya

[sonic dust]

Thanks for that

https://pokepast.es/7b7b66822e898d82

(here is the team improved)

Im even thinking using bandgross

[leaden fiber]

agi is probably fine here w zard zap & fp lax

[fresh thistle]

I can comeback to this in more depth later, but a common issue with your team is a weakness to Nidoking. Since Raikou is your only sleep talker, your are susceptible to the combination of Earthquake + Lovely Kiss

On a broader level, mixing elements of stall (Skarm/Raikou) with elements of offense is a difficult team style to pull off

You may find that your team is not as defensively solid as a full stall team and more passive than a typical offense team, which is an unhappy medium

[sonic dust]

Yeah, someone else told me that

Nidoking+champ destroys me

https://pokepast.es/1c908256c1502cc9

This can be a better one?

[fresh thistle]

Your Nidoking weakness is still there, but the presence of 3 explosions makes it a little more tolerable to run Skarm + Raikou “offense”

[sonic dust]

I see

I think i can change the exxegutor

What would be a good switch

[silver reef]

U can change it to a more generic stall structure by slotting a nidoking check over egg

Some of them include suicune, zapper or even articuno

[fresh thistle]

(I would stick with one of the first two)

[silver reef]

🤓

[leaden fiber]

bozo

[sonic dust]

Here

https://pokepast.es/456452f3dd116ad5

[silver reef]

Would make the golem rest > boom or else flamelax is annoying (curse flamelax is worse)

[fresh thistle]

The 6 mons are fine. Non curse flame lax is manageable with Suicune. And curse flame lax is only devastating in a last mon scenario in which case boom + your own curse lax can handle it

Its similar to this existing sample team: https://pokepast.es/0349f6f2630ce1c6

Set choice can come down to tailoring your team to what you expect from an opponent

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/a55036428212c6a3 gen 5 ive tried doing a weatherless team not sure on what i should improve here

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @dull socket, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mossy kelp]

https://pokepast.es/a3761090b2947302 GEN 8 OU

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mossy kelp]

What can i change?

[upper plume]

thundy-t seems like a pain

also flame charge tran is only really good on sun teams iirc

is tangrowth even in the metagame anymore?

I heard it used to be good bc of sleep

speaking of, knock off isn't quite as good because you aren't forcing passive damage on the opponent

ex, knock off ferro and knock off gliscor because they are paired with spikes/sandstorm

but the greatest amount of passive damage you do is stealth rock or toxic

also

your team absolutely hates ground types

or rather not absolutely

but it definitely hates mamoswine

also this team doesn't appreciate rotom-wash

most teams don't but this one especially so

[hasty ingot]

I would caution you away from using webs in SS OU. A lot in the tier doesn't really care about webs (there are tons of Flying types and boots users) and removal is pretty easy to fit on pretty much every team with stuff like corviknight, tornadus, zapdos, excadrill all being good

i think that slot would be better if you had removal of your own in defog tornadus-t

i would then suggest making Garchomp SpD with stealth rock and toxic

here is a good set for that:

Garchomp @ Leftovers
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 240 HP / 252 SpD / 16 Spe
Careful Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• Toxic
• Protect

i'd probably go protective pads on kartana and replace bisharp with melmetal

oh and drop night slash on kartana for knock off

knock off is always better

[gritty scaffold]

Hm alr ill see what i can change mayb i could run max evs on speed on exca aswell rocky slide although he prob still dies to thundy but yea i need better stuff

[gritty scaffold]

Mayb i could use amongus instead of tangrowth

[night eagle]

https://pokepast.es/66b66a593202a8c6

[mossy kelp]

ok, thank u

[mossy kelp]

what set of melmetal can i use?

[upper plume]

I will say, most great weatherless teams are more offensive in nature than this

because they don't have a weather (i.e rain or sun) to supplement their strength

[gritty scaffold]

Oo so balance isnt really a viable option

So i gotta go more on the bulky offense or hyper offense

[upper plume]

yeah

[gritty scaffold]

Alr ill see what i can do

[hasty ingot]

I like protect but the three attack one works too

[raw hornet]

Is Hoopa-U really strong atm?

In SM OU

[hasty ingot]

It’s decent

[kind tangle]

Can anyone help me with building a SS OU team? Thx

[hasty ingot]

Building questions should go in #comp-general

[dry bay]

Hi! Wut's the goal of this team may I ask? Since Alo aren't viable outside stall and semi stall. Mamo maybe niche on some teams but there are better ground types that has stealth rock and can break, like Garchomp. So to fix that, u can do MScizor Knock off > U-turn, to keep ur boosts, since it felt like a waste if u SD then u will u-turn after. And removing items is nice too. Since scizor is weak to some fire types, especially heatran and zardY, u can remove Alo for Fini so that u can free the defog slot on zapdos, giving it heat wave to better deal opposing scizor, kart, and ferrothorn. Tho scizor can soft check MZam, it can't rlly deal 3a Mlatis, so u can add band weav, or Band ttar here. Preferably Band Ttar to check ZardY, which is strong against MSciz. Lastly, u can add Z garchomp with rocks here for electric immune, and can resist fire moves also, and also can deal pex which give Msciz a hard time.

[opal beacon]

u turn is alright

but mamo lefties is alrigh?

@tropic schooner

mamo is best with band or sash lead right?

[leaden fiber]

i mean

the team itself just has

no synergy

its clearly some fat stuff with mzor tran zap mola

but then u have like

mamo?

[opal beacon]

agreed its just random mons slapped togethere

but my own doubt was for the mamo set

[tropic schooner]

Seems bad into ghosts and darks, mamo and alo are really really random, it takes 1 or 2 focus blasts for zard y to win, you have no real win conditions against more offensive teams

Reun can stay BUT you cant try to make stall and slap on a mamo

[opal beacon]

scizor is a scam mega in my opinion

it pops off in some matches

other times its just disappointing

here in this team it does nothing except beat the whole german team ig but then again that team is weak to scizor

[tropic schooner]

Spdef defog glis>mamo
Heat wave zap>defog
Fini>alo

Might need even more adjustments cuz this still seems ttar weak, but id have to change the whole team structure

[opal beacon]

just ditch the team

make something new L

[tropic schooner]

Probably superpower sciz here

Over u turn

Since u turn doesnt enable anything

[opal beacon]

superpower only helps against heatran L

[dry bay]

Why not do my adjustments lmao

The team is super similar to wut I am using rn

[opal beacon]

ur adjustments are keeping the same mons in instead of mamo scarping the whole team here is much better

[opal beacon]

||ur teams bad||

[dry bay]

My team is already rated here tho. So u said it was rated badly?

[opal beacon]

||ok u are bad||

[dry bay]

:uhh:

[opal beacon]

I am messing kags chill

[dry bay]

HAHAHAHAHA

Its aight

[obtuse prawn]

https://pokepast.es/0b66a5314516c35c

can i replace mew with something else here

quagsire?

then it would become grass weak

but i have m-aggron and zapdos

can i change zapdos to another defogger too or nah

[opal beacon]

the only maggron stall that is good is the one made by finch ig

[dry bay]

Yeah

[opal beacon]

trash mon tbh

[dry bay]

MAgg onli good in UU

[leaden fiber]

maggron stall is fine

this stall is very

questionable tho

[tropic schooner]

The issue with this is

Tapu koko

Your check being chomp and sciz to koko can be

Really flimsy

And your kart check not having ways to deal damage to kart is

Also not too good

Weav is a good suggestion altho it only makes you even weaker to 3a mzam

To the point where mzam hits one focus and its ggs

[leaden fiber]

use bisharp

[tropic schooner]

Fini is a good suggestion i also suggest fini here alo has no reason to stay

[obtuse prawn]

https://pokepast.es/6875dc94b4cf4098

hows this?

i cant beat manaphy in rain though

@opal beacon ?

[opal beacon]

mana shits on stall

thats why its used in rain instead of any other mon

[obtuse prawn]

except if i got ditto right

[opal beacon]

rain without mana is eww bcoz it helps against stall

[obtuse prawn]

yea

[opal beacon]

ye or unaware clef and predict the z move

to sack a mon or go pex

and then sack something else to have pex

[obtuse prawn]

but still surf in rain kills clef

[opal beacon]

prolly sacking chansey ig

[obtuse prawn]

yea

so is the team okay

[opal beacon]

welp stall does nothing against rain

[obtuse prawn]

or do i make any good change

[opal beacon]

prolly sheninja stall

[obtuse prawn]

ah

[opal beacon]

shedninja is ur only bet

and even then its hard

[obtuse prawn]

yea

cause then i dont have unaware

[opal beacon]

dont stall

gg

[obtuse prawn]

:|

any good change though

Yes

rate me then

[obtuse prawn]

.

:(

then what do u play

gen 8?

what the fuck

i actually feel bad for your opponents now

dudes who just want to have a fun time so go to gen 1

but ur there

[opal beacon]

HAHAHA @obtuse prawn listen to me

[opal beacon]

he stalls for a living

rby

[obtuse prawn]

bruhj

thats gay

ah

lol

are there any gen 7 raters yk

ah

[opal beacon]

.

[obtuse prawn]

Yes but u said dont stall

:(

[opal beacon]

tr be rare

[opal beacon]

u cant beat rain with stall

especially a manaphy and I am not kidding ask @scenic bear

[obtuse prawn]

okay lol

only ditto revenge killing i can and my question was if i can replace clef with ditto

[opal beacon]

i mean not mana atleast

[obtuse prawn]

Yes

rest all mons ez

[scenic bear]

ask me what

[opal beacon]

how do u beat mana with a stall team

mana in rain

[scenic bear]

manaphy?

[opal beacon]

ye

the answer is u cant

[scenic bear]

mantine

[opal beacon]

who uses mantine L

[obtuse prawn]

https://pokepast.es/6875dc94b4cf4098

how to beat manaphy

any changes in team

[scenic bear]

🤨

[obtuse prawn]

share ppaste

[scenic bear]

no

[scenic bear]

doesnt it already

with pex

[obtuse prawn]

i mean its hard though

only with perfect predictions and shit

[opal beacon]

theres always the eball spdef drop

[obtuse prawn]

how about

banded victini

😂

[opal beacon]

sucks

[obtuse prawn]

does ur mantine stall stop that

[scenic bear]

it doesnt suck

i won tournament games w the team

[opal beacon]

||stall sucks ||

3d ss

[scenic bear]

stall is hard to use in gen7

anywa

anywya

because of shit like that

sure

[obtuse prawn]

yea

[scenic bear]

1. go spdef lando

2. bulky rilla

3. kart > lele

scarf kart

wdym

how is scarf lele any more of a wincon than scarf kart

in terrain

[obtuse prawn]

what are ur peaks btw

in any gen

[scenic bear]

mine?

[obtuse prawn]

Yes

[scenic bear]

i peaked #1 in every gen

[obtuse prawn]

all of urs

[scenic bear]

since bw

[obtuse prawn]

damn

[scenic bear]

if u mean elo my highest is 2150

[obtuse prawn]

i didnt mean elo but damn

[scenic bear]

94 gxe

is my highets gxe

[obtuse prawn]

😭

[opal beacon]

u got that with what team if I may ask

[scenic bear]

my sand rmt

[opal beacon]

can u link it dms plz

[obtuse prawn]

he gon say no

😂

[scenic bear]

https://pokepast.es/85d2f1edf9c68d4a

[opal beacon]

its rmt

prolly not

ye

see

[obtuse prawn]

:|

[scenic bear]

👍

[opal beacon]

I meant sm ou @scenic bear

[scenic bear]

my highest in sm ou

is like

2100

but that was in 2017

[obtuse prawn]

whats ur main acc name

[scenic bear]

3d

[obtuse prawn]

just 3d damn

[scenic bear]

sacred sword

not psycho cut

[opal beacon]

ye % in ta

doesnt know how to set tours tho

[obtuse prawn]

ah

lol

[scenic bear]

i do

[obtuse prawn]

https://pokepast.es/6875dc94b4cf4098 but is the team good in terms of going high ladder

3d

[scenic bear]

because only 2 things use it

[scenic bear]

idk i dont ladder sm

[opal beacon]

do u have the team u peaked sm with?

[scenic bear]

it was 5 years ago bro

[opal beacon]

okay got any other good sm ou team now?

[scenic bear]

not that i can pass

just steal the samples

the zam one is good

why is everyone tryna ladder in SM anyway

what’s going on

[heady coral]

https://pokepast.es/aceaab1a27cf0c23 gen 4ou

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @short hedge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[night eagle]

Slide sm ou teams fr

Semi stall if u have

[scenic bear]

sorry don’t have any that i can pass

altho it shouldn’t be that hard to make a good semi stall

just steal one of empos teams

[opal beacon]

nothing ig everyone is practising for the seasonal

[scenic bear]

right

[opal beacon]

u in the sm winter seasonal I think I saw ur name in the thread

winners or losers?

[scenic bear]

losers

though i don’t really care about it

really only focused on OST

[opal beacon]

I fked that up

I prepped only for sm and won that and did nothing for ost and now I am in losers L can u pass me some gen 9 teams

[scenic bear]

no

all of my good teams are for spl

or for my own ost run

[sonic dust]

Someone that knows about DPP to rate the team?

https://pokepast.es/6c6612fb5d3b22d6

[scenic bear]

@short hedge

[sonic dust]

Ty

[opal beacon]

wait u are playing gen 9 for spl?

I thought u were gonna play 8

u have played yet tho have u?

[night eagle]

Where do I find them

[opal beacon]

sample team

lop fat balance

[night eagle]

That’s the one I use

I reached 1650

Yessir

[obtuse prawn]

@night eagle

Gg tu nvhj forfeited.

Totally my team won the battle!
Totally my team's rating: 1635 → 1656
(+21 for winning)
Gg tu nvhj's rating: 1653 → 1632
(-21 for losing)
‽Gg tu nvhj left

LOL

[short hedge]

Okay so quick rate I think flygon should be the mixed Life orb roost set since you already have a scarf user in rotom, Tyranitar should be your Dragon dance Lum Berry sweeper, Empoleon should set up rocks instead with a bulky lead set, and rotom heat should have hidden power ice for dragonite

Starting with machamp should stay

[night eagle]

Ye?

[obtuse prawn]

the very next game that happened

[night eagle]

Oh lol

[sonic dust]

So the core IS okey at least?

[short hedge]

Yes

[sonic dust]

HP ice for what?

I would rather having overheat to jirach

Kinda destroys me

[sonic dust]

Yeah uh idk

Im losing more Battles than the other team

[short hedge]

Dragonite

[short hedge]

Never said get rid of overheat you can replace trick

[short hedge]

Okay lol

[sonic dust]

Thanks anyway

[raw hornet]

RMT https://pokepast.es/779dea22f2f7f0b7

[raw hornet]

It's SM OU

[muted ore]

drought with ash greninja?

[obtuse prawn]

252 hp on vic

?

[opal beacon]

ig he meant to have attack there

[obtuse prawn]

ah

[leaden fiber]

its for

final gambit

[obtuse prawn]

bruh

on atk its better

cause v create hits hard

[leaden fiber]

If you want scarf gambit vic, you should be doing 252 hp 252 speed, your goal is to trade t1

Otherwise, I would agree

[obtuse prawn]

yea

[obtuse prawn]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-1791432755

@night eagle

[night eagle]

Oh lol

[opal beacon]

share our replay

[clear flax]

https://pokepast.es/c8537feed21e348a gen 7 OU

[obtuse prawn]

didnt save

[opal beacon]

looks good u get destroyed by mmedi tho

I mean u can play around it

but ye no nvm u can kill medi alright with intimidate and stuff

not sure about the assualt vest excadrill tho

and u need spikes on greninja

[clear flax]

maybe I can change greninja to a medicham counter

[opal beacon]

naah no need specs is fine

just remove shuriken for spikes and surf for pump

or are u worried that pump will miss?

[dry bay]

If he's concerned abt MMedi, he can go Fini > Washtom tho

[opal beacon]

that should be better yea we cant switch in tho

coz then zen headbutt range ig

unless its tect lefties

[dry bay]

Honestly, MPins is a bit hard to build around balance tho. it fits on more of a HO team

[opal beacon]

ye

I just dont mean medi here

[dry bay]

I hab balance MPins but it struggles a bit. Skill issues maybe, but It's a bit hard to pull off

[opal beacon]

lop owns the team as well

[opal beacon]

skill issue not maybe

[dry bay]

:uhh:

[opal beacon]

[night eagle]

Same

I built something like

Actually

Didn’t build it

I stole it

Something like

Mega pinsir + magnezone + ash

• magearna + lando + fini

Never used it tho

[obtuse prawn]

@night eagle

u got a timer yk that right

bro connect

[night eagle]

I disconnected

Rip

[obtuse prawn]

f

[night eagle]

Gg anyways

Mad hax lol

[night eagle]

Wanna play a match

[obtuse prawn]

im in another one

[obtuse prawn]

yea

like wtf

[night eagle]

Alright

I want to test a team

[obtuse prawn]

ah

i will be done not very soon

vs anothe stall

[night eagle]

Alright

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/779dea22f2f7f0b7

Anyone to rate my team and see if there's thing to change

[tropic schooner]

No rocks on an offensive team kinda sucks

Your check to kartana being something that doesnt wanna take damage can be a bit dangerous

[night eagle]

Is dual weather a thing?

[raw hornet]

On smogon it says I can remove sword dance and put stealth Rocks on excadrill

[raw hornet]

Not really but tyranitar and charizard y really goes well together

[formal pier]

https://pokepast.es/cb9e20c051bce687

[harsh onyx]

Hello, can someone help me practice bo3 in ss?

[leaden fiber]

read #1024432517077540904

would go on PS to look for battles

this not the place

[harsh onyx]

ok

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/29b37061332fe24a Gen 6 OU?

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/d0ead148d336056c Gen 5 OU should i change something here?

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @dull socket, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dry bay]

I agree, Kart MU is rough. U rlly need to replace AGren here. Maybe for smth like lando or heatran with rocks here is gud

Also if u r running ZarY, always bring to defog mons..

Well since u hab spin on drill, that's enough ig

[obtuse prairie]

vic seems sort of weird here

[dry bay]

I agree

Since there's ttar to take on Psychic types, ig vic will be useless here

[night eagle]

https://pokepast.es/738b0e641ebdaa7f

[upper plume]

Seems solid, though u are kinda weak to Grounds like Lando and Chomp

[upper plume]

Team could appreciate physically defensive Gastrodon here as a fine hit taker against those mons

Oh also

Mamoswine should have an Adamant nature

[night eagle]

100 wins yessir

[obtuse prawn]

nice

i was like 100-38

resetted

[night eagle]

Oh damn

[obtuse prawn]

48*

[night eagle]

Wanna play

[obtuse prawn]

in a game

i got a sexy team

[night eagle]

Oh damm

[obtuse prawn]

but its full stall unfortunately

the dude who had the team

peaked #1 2 and 3 with his alts

with that team

lol

[night eagle]

Snipe ut?

[obtuse prawn]

no

i sent in dms

[scenic bear]

no

its for

final gambit

oh wow that was 2 days ago

lmao

[night eagle]

Donate pro tips

On how to ladder

[scenic bear]

since when am i a pro

[raw hornet]

@night eagle

Can you fight me in SM OU?

Do you have time

[raw hornet]

Because you have the "competitive helper" role

[rugged fossil]

Since forever

[rugged fossil]

I can tho

[night eagle]

When do we battle

[night eagle]

Give 3d tips then

[torpid forge]

https://pokepast.es/629215bb05726711

Gen 7 ou

[night eagle]

Protean gren solos

Actually nah

But u have to be careful with that

[torpid forge]

Toxapex and Magnezone?

[night eagle]

Z dig

[torpid forge]

Can u suggest some changes?

[night eagle]

I’m not a good team builder

But I like z zone with

Mega pinsir

[raw hornet]

One sec

[night eagle]

K

[scenic bear]

just keep the shit u need alive

basically

[night eagle]

Suggest something related to predictions

[scenic bear]

i dont predict a lot

anyway

but when i do i just think about what i would do in that situation

the reason i dont do it a lot is because theres usually like 3-4 things someone can do in any given turn

so i just try to make a play that covers as many of the most likely options as possible

[night eagle]

I see

Ty

[raw hornet]

@night eagle you're offline

[opal beacon]

[night eagle]

You here

[raw hornet]

Ye

[night eagle]

Tell me ur user

[raw hornet]

Joooby

[night eagle]

Ok

Gg

[gritty scaffold]

Hm sure ty for tips

[torpid forge]

Can anyone tell me what changes I need to make in this team?

[night eagle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-1792363636-3qdor0na3cakfe7vc0km5cnbgxflwv4pw

Phew clutched up

[raw hornet]

Tyranitar weakness policy in SM OU is kinda bad

Dragonite is a better weakness policy user

Your team is extremely slow

And like liderax said z dig gren solos your team

Like really

It finish the game by itself

[torpid forge]

Can u help me with some changes?

[night eagle]

Im at 1700 elo now

Les go

[raw hornet]

Okay nice

[torpid forge]

Can u help?

[torpid forge]

@cyan ether

[torpid forge]

Can u help me in changing this team a bit

[cyan ether]

i dont do sm ou rates sorry

[night eagle]

Hmm

Use subset Z zone

And then u don’t have a proper defensice core

[torpid forge]

K and what about mamoswime and the greninja

That can counter the whole team

[torpid forge]

Ye

[night eagle]

Lemme build a paste

[torpid forge]

Kk

[night eagle]

My paste ain’t working

https://pokepast.es/dedbee43745f8893

I’m not a expert in sm ou

But prolly something like this would do

Id recommend u to not take my advice thi

And wait for someone like karde

Kaede

To respond

[torpid forge]

Hello

K

[obtuse prairie]

you can tag me ltr tn i'll prob have some time then

[torpid forge]

K

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/3f4f8a34cdb18d6a

Someone to rate my team and see if there's things that I need to change

[raw hornet]

@obtuse prairie

I just saw that you were online so I think I'm not bothering you

That's why I pinged you

[obtuse prairie]

no reliable removal w mpins sounds like a hard sell

[raw hornet]

Mhm

[leaden fiber]

drop gren

ya dont need it

[raw hornet]

Okay

Anything else?

To change?

[raw hornet]

@leaden fiber ??

[leaden fiber]

sorry not sure

no time rn

[raw hornet]

Okay sorry

[uneven dome]

https://pokepast.es/72f7ccd2dea47177 I really want to make a team with these 2 because there really cool and I like them a lot but I don't know how I should use them and don't know what other pokemon to put on the team.any help is appreciated

[leaden fiber]

for... ss ou?

[uneven dome]

yea mb I forgot to say

[dry bay]

U can seek help on #comp-general only complete teams are being rated here

[uneven dome]

oh I'm sorry I didn't know

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/9bb06e464b8ca7d1

Maybe not Tornadus T

Maybe zapdos or gliscor or landorus to replace Tornadus T

[dry bay]

Torn is decent here but u may go Zap too. Ur choice

[raw hornet]

I like both but zapdos checks kartana and lopunnyM better

https://pokepast.es/ce2cc91dedeedda1

Final result

The problem for torn is that it's Hurricane will be 50% precision but yeah I don't know if torn will ever get under the sun

[dry bay]

U may want Heat wave > HP ice on Zap for kart

But still ur choice

Also sun boosted heatwave isn't bad too

[raw hornet]

I don't know but since I already destroy landorus T and gliscor with Zard Y I think heat wave can be cool here

[raw hornet]

Yes since it can OHKO ferrothorn

I think

[dry bay]

Only defensive lando. Scarf lando is p scary to deal with Zardy

So u rlly need to check it first

[raw hornet]

Yeah

Maybe excadrill under the sand can kill it

I just realized that my team is really slow

[dry bay]

Yeah outside sand. Maybe keep torn

[raw hornet]

Yeah okay

Koff or Taunt?

Maybe koff is better so I can maybe remove the scarf from lando

[dry bay]

Go taunt

[raw hornet]

Okay

https://pokepast.es/07c534668c31000c

Final final result

I think it's nice like that

Thanks kageyama

[dry bay]

Yeah looks good

[night eagle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-1793177420-w08de7t074r3eiblmlc9nlk7w7ruugxpw

Ezzzz

[raw hornet]

@night eagle can you do a SM OU battle right now?

[night eagle]

Oh I can’t

[torpid forge]

@dry bay can u help me with this team and what changes do I need to make?

[obtuse prawn]

why not run rock z garchomp and run scarf on mag

if u dont want to change the team that is

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/a23cccdf883fde5c

@orchid tiger

[obtuse prawn]

german banned?

@night eagle ayo??

bro

thats why he doesnt talk to u

hes permanently banned on talking

probably when i battled him he could

LOL

[torpid forge]

How do I take care of mamoswime

And greninja protean with z dig

[raw hornet]

Mamoswine is bad in SM OU and Protean gren can't beat the majority of pokemon that checks ash gren

Like ferrothorn

Unless Hidden Power fire

[torpid forge]

But almost my whole team gets countered by A Protean greninja

[obtuse prawn]

run scarf koko then

[night eagle]

I see

That makes sense

[gritty scaffold]

Does bulky sp def ttar sets must to run both crunch and pursuit? I was thinkin on a rock move and pursuit i just feel like bein weak to volcarona in bw i mean yea i can hit harder jellicent , reunu and reuni but is it really worth the risk of a will o or to try pressure latios with crunch if he cant really stall out pursuit besides reuni i dont really think is worth but i may be wrong though

[raw hornet]

https://pokepast.es/3111d72cc9dba160

RMT

[upper plume]

You want Crunch because pursuit does nothing to bulky reun

[gritty scaffold]

O

Maybe i should look out for coverage i dont really need prob ice beam so i can run a careful nature or adamant i mean i already have mamo and jiravhi icy wind

[upper plume]

What's your current tyranitar set @gritty scaffold

[gritty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/06c3fcfcf1ec659b

[upper plume]

Why gastro and jelli first of all

You only need 1

Put an attacker of your own in that slot instead

[gritty scaffold]

i mean i can use gastro for keldeo

while gastro to tank ground and threaten them

[upper plume]

Exactly

Gastro does jellicent's job already of handling keldeo

[gritty scaffold]

well spin blocker

and stop setters

like ferro

[upper plume]

Run excadrill eq calc on jellicent

If you want to stop spin use Rocky Helmet skarmory

[dry bay]

The team isn't good. MPins is workable in some offensive teams, and this team is to passive for it. Ill get to this team later.

[upper plume]

Anyway yeah ice beam is the most droppable move on tyranitar

[gritty scaffold]

alr then

[upper plume]

Generally the best last move is usually twave for zam and latios and volc and cloy

[gritty scaffold]

so i still stack spikes with skarmory?

[gritty scaffold]

oh alr then

[upper plume]

Actually

Mamo and Drill have wonky synergy with Skarmory

Honestly this team's only form of hazards are Rocks anyway

I'd probably load up with more offense on this team, rather than slap another bulky Poke

Also, you should use Leftovers on Jirachi

[gritty scaffold]

oh for more longevity alr

[upper plume]

Shuca is more reserved for DragMag, but you want Rachi to be eating Psychics and Dracos throughout a game

[gritty scaffold]

maybe i could use terrakion

[upper plume]

Also mitigates rotom wash's burns

[upper plume]

That's a possibility

Your core is so solid that your offense could go in a number of directions

[gritty scaffold]

oo cool

[upper plume]

I'd personally not go with 3 ground types in case you face a Skarmory

Even though my instinctive answer is Scarf Chomp or Lando

That leaves you with either Reun, Latios, or Terrakion

[gritty scaffold]

yea though choice

[upper plume]

Maybe Breloom

[gritty scaffold]

true

since i dont really have a grass coverage reuni or latios would be good awell

[upper plume]

That's four options

So you make 4 teams and see which one you like the most

[gritty scaffold]

yea ill be trying out each

ty

[upper plume]

Gl with the new teams

If you want my 2 cents, I predict a version with CB terrakion to be the most threatening

[gritty scaffold]

yea more immediate power

[gritty scaffold]

yea for now doing all good with the 4 diff offense options each one having unique offense pressure is good that i can change on the mon sometimes if i wanna depending on what id like for the moment

[gritty scaffold]

What gen

Oh sm

[raw hornet]

Ye

[raw hornet]

Maybe there's lots of things to change because it looks like this team

[gritty scaffold]

Try repost and say with the gen

Prob it will ping the ppl who rate

[raw hornet]

Okay

I want someone to help me for this SM OU team https://pokepast.es/3111d72cc9dba160

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

Nice

[gritty scaffold]

Np

[raw hornet]

Thx

I hope I don't bother them

[gritty scaffold]

I mean they are gonna try help when they can just wait now

[raw hornet]

Yes

[raw hornet]

No because I post lots of team

Last team was yesterday

[dry bay]

Use more defensive lando with 232 Defense. I rlly don't like Z Zone here. Idk maybe go specs then make torn Z move? I am not rlly sure

[night eagle]

Go

252 spa

132 def

124 speed

Modest

Subset z zone

[raw hornet]

Why

[night eagle]

It is good with pinsir

[raw hornet]

Okay

What does this spread allows magnezone to tank and out speed??

@night eagle

[night eagle]

Outspeeds

Mega scizor

Tanks 2 x sucker ounch from mega maw

And a crazy calc is

6x beat up from non banded weavile

[torpid forge]

kk

[raw hornet]

That doesn't exist

Weavile is almost always banded and is never played with beat up

[gritty scaffold]

Isnt beat up already a niche move

[raw hornet]

Yeah I don't know

It has 105 base power with weavile and that's all

You need your 6 teammate to be there without status

And a pretty high attack Stat

The highest BP you can have is 111 it's very good but yeah

I guess it could be good early game but that's all

[torpid forge]

@night eagle

Hello what set do u use on ur reuniclus

[gritty scaffold]

I ony could see it workinh on ho teams

[tropic schooner]

@hasty ingot

[hasty ingot]

Make the heatran phys def flame body

[tropic schooner]

oh yea i forgot to make it physdef

[hasty ingot]

Did d2theW build this team lmao

[tropic schooner]

hm?

[hasty ingot]

Oh he just

Uses mienshao in SS a lot

[tropic schooner]

oh lol

i wanted to build terrak and shao and decided i should build shao first

[hasty ingot]

Shao is definitely the better of the two

Terrak is just

Hard to get in

Would prefer just running ttar as an offensive rock type

[tropic schooner]

its definitely not because terrak is good or anything

i just find building these mons fun

[gritty scaffold]

I thought shao wasnt good

After bw

I mean he is the unique fast pivot with regen that has fake out but still never reallt understood how to use it hjk reckless is funny tho

[hasty ingot]

It's not

But it's sorta usable

[tropic schooner]

//pokepast.es/8197fa985806606e

assume this works

[gritty scaffold]

Hm

[rain pine]

https://pokepast.es/300b47f7cf1d7517
My personal spin on rain strategy

For SM OU

[uneven dome]

https://pokepast.es/e333c1cd7d4b88a0

I made a blacephalon and melmetal team for swsh ou bc I really like both of those mons

[leaden gate]

https://pokepast.es/b18e575daac55248

[leaden gate]

@short hedge

[leaden fiber]

...

[leaden gate]

what

[leaden fiber]

infernape is not in ss....?

[leaden gate]

is it that bad

[leaden fiber]

wait

[leaden gate]

????

[leaden fiber]

i saw an infernape

[leaden gate]

yo

[leaden fiber]

my eyes

deceive me

[leaden gate]

early signs of dementia

[leaden fiber]

but yeah bliss is too passive here vic set is bad (imo) and sash is a bad item on anything not named azelf

[leaden gate]

aromatherapy over heal bell btw

[leaden fiber]

they're.. the same thing?

[leaden gate]

because apparently heal bell forces me to use the ha

[leaden fiber]

ah

[leaden gate]

also someone told me either weav or kart should have sd

didnt know what to put on it

[leaden fiber]

sd vile is fine

sd SASH vile is less fine

id just run hdb

why not, really

[leaden gate]

the 4th hdb runner of the team

its morally wrong

[leaden fiber]

Welcome to SS ou

[leaden gate]

but ight

then i gotta move it behind kart

so itll be hdb hdb hdb hdb

[leaden fiber]

I would then do sr user > blissey

and do the mixtini set i guess

bolt strike + fs should break pex and bro

[leaden gate]

i can always do sr blissey

[leaden fiber]

like

a more offensively oriented sr user

(heatran)

[leaden gate]

ight

@leaden fiber would smth like this work?

https://pokepast.es/138aa62116c2274c

i could do sd scale shot sr eq chomp

[leaden fiber]

dont do that

I'm still not a fan of that tini set