#Old Gens OU

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dry bay
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I lack offense a bit since only MSciz and Koko are my offensive options

winter drift
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Ya sure, I was also thinking perhaps gliscor is fine also since it can set up on pex once and threaten it out + can roost off magma storm damage.

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Either or is fine though

dry bay
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Oh yeah bring back gliscor

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Then keep payapa pex?

winter drift
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Sure

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Ya I was thinking in the long run gliscor might’ve just been fine since pex toxic/burn spams can be annoying.

dry bay
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i rlly don't know wut specifically it is for, but is it for zhb medi?

leaden fiber
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u live one lele hit

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shit like that

winter drift
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I think it was for lele

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Since it’s spdef

dry bay
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Then?

leaden fiber
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if u knock lele it becomes

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significantly easier to beat

winter drift
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Ye

dry bay
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so knock for haze?

winter drift
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I think you could knock over tspikes cause of how pex is everywhere it can just come in to remove them

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And others ofc like amoong

dry bay
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Yeah yeah

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Final paste

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Looks fine now ig?

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Wait SR on ferro

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I forgot to give it back

winter drift
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Works

dry bay
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Thanks!

winter drift
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Paya can also be for psychic volc as well by the way

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I kinda forgot that’s used a bit

leaden fiber
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feel like volc doenst psychic as much in sm

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but ya

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valid

winter drift
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Moreso SS ya

dry bay
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@winter drift I struggled a lot with medi

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since no lando rips

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Payapa not enough for Pex

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Also Heatran outsped my Gliscor

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Spdef

winter drift
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Mhmmmm

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There’s another option we could do @dry bay

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Well mhm

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How fast is gliscor with those evs

dry bay
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254

winter drift
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One thing we could perhaps do is maybe like have torn be z user (superpower for Tran/ttars) and make rotom-wash over koko with defog perhaps while having lando over gliscor perhaps

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I also didn’t wanna mention this but slowbro does also exist but probably not as good bc of pursuit and such and I honestly did think of heatran over scizor a bit for a better chance against volc.

dry bay
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So MSlowbro? Then Z Torn?

winter drift
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Mega bro is kinda cool now that I think of it, ya you can try those options for sure

dry bay
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Wait if I use Mbro, shud I get rid of pex?

winter drift
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The team struggles with mmedi, only solutions that I could think of are like reun or slowbro, or just faster mons against it.

winter drift
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So like mmbro, torn t, tran, ferro, gliscor/lando (whichever you go with), and koko/or washtom.

dry bay
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hmm

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if I go lando, I plan to give it scarf

winter drift
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For speed control ye

dry bay
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Wut's the set of Slowbro? The Calm Mind variant

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?

night eagle
dry bay
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Slowbro @ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 96 Def / 164 SpD
Bold Nature

  • Scald
  • Ice Beam
  • Slack Off
  • Flamethrower
night eagle
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Even with touchy ?

winter drift
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Yes if it’s not thunder punch

night eagle
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Tpunch

dry bay
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Or this one?

winter drift
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It usually runs like fake out 3 attack

night eagle
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Psycic stab

night eagle
winter drift
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It’s nice for slowbro/steela

night eagle
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I mean

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2hko

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Ohko or 3G ko

dry bay
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btw how defensive heatrans faster than my Gliscor?

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tf?

winter drift
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2hko most likely

winter drift
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Usually it shouldn’t be that fast

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Since max hits like 278

dry bay
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But with lefties?

night eagle
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U guys got any of abrs samples

dry bay
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That's p odd ngl

night eagle
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Or fat gays samples

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Abrs samples ?

dry bay
winter drift
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So ya it was an oddball

dry bay
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76 spdef?

winter drift
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Spe

dry bay
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Ahh

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yeah that's odd

winter drift
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That set on slowbro is fine btw

dry bay
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Wait a sec

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Now I look weak to Scarf Kart

night eagle
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No mega ?

dry bay
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or maybe MBro can deal it?

winter drift
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Mhmmm

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We could zap>rotom for that weakness perhaps

dry bay
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Oh wait

winter drift
night eagle
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252 Atk Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 76+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 198-234 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

dry bay
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Yeah

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I forgot mega stone

night eagle
night eagle
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The team has no mega mon

dry bay
winter drift
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Oh that’s what you mean xd

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I thought they meant like megas in general in sm ou

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But ya mega slowbro

dry bay
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Wait the name isn't appropriate

night eagle
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So u loose to scarftana?

winter drift
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You mentioned kart also, was thinking we could zap here with defog, that way we can free up torn from using defog and you could run offensive instead.

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With like fight z for ttar/tran/mag

night eagle
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Damn

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How long have u been playing

dry bay
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Fight Z?

dry bay
winter drift
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Superpower

night eagle
dry bay
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Going 3 this march

night eagle
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Rip

dry bay
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Aight

night eagle
winter drift
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Super does more vs spdef users like tran/mag

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Ya

night eagle
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I see

winter drift
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It’s also decent for ferro a bit since a lot do run spdef

night eagle
winter drift
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But usually torn runs heat wave

dry bay
night eagle
dry bay
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Tornadus-Therian @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

  • Hurricane
  • Knock Off
  • U-turn
  • Superpower
night eagle
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I faced a team like this

dry bay
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This fine?

night eagle
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With fat sample

night eagle
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To never do

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Hasty / naive tornadus t

dry bay
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When lmfao

night eagle
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Like today

night eagle
winter drift
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Mhm, 76 attack 180 spa should suffice tbh. You could also go full spa with heat wave in place of knock with 4 attack evs.

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And obv the rest in speed

night eagle
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I stole this team

dry bay
night eagle
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Is this good

dry bay
dry bay
night eagle
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Rated errrr

dry bay
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MAmphy is only good in TR iirc

night eagle
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The guy at 2 was laddering with it

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I saw replays

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And then I found this team in comp general

dry bay
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Maybe he's experienced enough to use new mons

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but for starters, it isn't

night eagle
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Day 2 rip

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I’m at 1550 elo something

dry bay
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And also it is on the name, "meme team"

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wait u are on 1550 now?

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Ur fast

night eagle
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Yes

dry bay
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Me on 1400s rn. since testing a ton of teams

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Nice

night eagle
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Les battle sometime if ur free

dry bay
dry bay
night eagle
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Isn’t hp ice just for

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Pressuring

winter drift
night eagle
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Opposing landos

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Which basically gets 2-3hkod even with a jolly nature

winter drift
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Also now that I think about it, knock is fine to take out lefties

dry bay
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Landos

winter drift
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Nvm it’s knock nvm nvm

dry bay
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Yeah I kept the knock off

winter drift
tropic schooner
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@hasty ingot

hasty ingot
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sd weavile > hydreigon, toxic koko > kart, clear smog > yawn on gastro, iron defense > thunder and stored power > psyshock on reu with leftovers instead of life orb, brave bird > body press on corvi, idk why you have attack investment in a gastrodon but please put that in def

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essentially builds you around a reu sweep, koko and weav both support defensive builds like that

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could also put helmet on clef to help chip opposing weavile, which is the big threat

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brave bird on corvi is so that you dont auto lose to SD rillaboom

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clear smog helps you beat volcarona

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which you otherwise get smoked by

dry bay
hasty ingot
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when i asked that question i am asking what calc does that investment achieve

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i know it is because he has eq

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i want to know what exactly it does

winter drift
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Just noticing the 16 attack on gastro 🙊

tropic schooner
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about it rly

dry bay
winter drift
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Who

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MPins? :x

dry bay
winter drift
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I think I have one

dry bay
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lmfao My problem now is dark types

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or maybe I just played it too badly

sonic dust
dry bay
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i dunno who plays rby ou

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Lemme find

sonic dust
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And yes lead jolteon IS a thing

sonic dust
dry bay
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AH yes

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ADV

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@polar nacelle

sonic dust
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Man i LOVE lead jolteon

dry bay
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Leading with fast mons is good ngl

sonic dust
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IS just too fast for the meta and with batton pass can pivot

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IS just crazy

night eagle
dry bay
night eagle
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Alright

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Yes

dry bay
night eagle
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User ?

dry bay
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eirone

night eagle
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Lemme get on

dry bay
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okay

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I got demoted to 1380 lmfao

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in the ladder

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Still testing teams

night eagle
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Accept

scenic bear
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u gys playing sm

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?

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oh adv

sonic dust
scenic bear
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idk shit about adv

night eagle
scenic bear
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oh

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link

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or inv me

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im on as 3d

night eagle
raw hornet
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Someone helped me and made changes

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His name was Monai I don't know if you know him maybe

obtuse prawn
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@night eagle

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u know what i think il just forfeit lol

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used this account enough for testing teams

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gg

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do you mind sending me your teams pokepaste

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just wanna try it out in lower ladder

night eagle
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What was your team

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Stal ?

obtuse prawn
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weavile stall

night eagle
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Stall?

obtuse prawn
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lol

night eagle
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Oh ye

obtuse prawn
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yes

night eagle
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I bullied a tr guy

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With hazards

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Just rn

obtuse prawn
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lmao

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feel bad for him but lol

night eagle
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My 2 days of playing > 2 years of experience

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Ez

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I’m in 1600s now

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Stall > all

obtuse prawn
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Yes

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i was

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actually in 1700s

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but like

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i dont like making test team accounts

night eagle
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No consistency

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I guess

obtuse prawn
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so i tested on that and fucked up

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yeah that too

obtuse prawn
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mostly was in 1650s

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then went to 1400s

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lol

dry bay
dry bay
dry bay
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But some of my teams doesn't have stall breakers so yeah. I lost there I admit

raw hornet
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I was gonna change the serperior

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The guy told me to put Defog on serperior

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So serperior Substitute Defog leaf storm and Glare?

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Without hidden power fire

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Or basic smogon substitute set with HP fire

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And a Defog gliscor

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And stealth rocks clefable

night eagle
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I wasn’t referring to u

dry bay
night eagle
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ye i was just foexing that i reached 1600 elo

raw hornet
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If I put a calm mind clefable isn't my team's gonna be too passive?

night eagle
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ye ill play the next tour

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if they host that

raw hornet
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Clefable @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 80 SpA / 176 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Fire Blast
  • Calm Mind
  • Soft-Boiled
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Like this kageyama???

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Maybe with more defense and a bold nature

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And more speed to out speed paralysed lopunny mega

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Maybe

night eagle
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almost at top 100

raw hornet
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Gg

night eagle
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Were u fighting me ?

raw hornet
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What

tropic schooner
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And ttar

raw hornet
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Kind of yes

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But if I manage to paralysis weavile I can kill him with my LO clef

tropic schooner
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Hmmm

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You also wouldnt want fini here

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Could resort to keldeo>clef

raw hornet
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Why keldeo?

tropic schooner
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And make this z ice kyub with sub hone claws

tropic schooner
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Doesnt set up misty

raw hornet
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Kyub hone claws?

tropic schooner
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Can still cm sweep

tropic schooner
raw hornet
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Isn't the stall match-up already good with sub kyub?

tropic schooner
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I guess you can use sub ice beam

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But id still make it z ice

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With freeze shock

raw hornet
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So

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Freeze shock

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Sub

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Fusion bolt

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Ice beam

tropic schooner
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Mhm

raw hornet
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And keldeo over clefable

tropic schooner
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I think so

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Also gives you another water and fire resist

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Just in case

raw hornet
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Yes pretty nice

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Like this?

tropic schooner
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Looks fine @obtuse prairie could you look at it again

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I think you might want draco mlati for zardx but not sure

raw hornet
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Don't think it's necessary since I can thunder Wave it

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It's better to kill him

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But thunder waves seems better anyway

tropic schooner
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Im saying over thunder

raw hornet
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Oh

tropic schooner
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U keep ice beam on twave mlati always

raw hornet
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Yeah but kageyama said me that it was better to have Bolt beam mega latias

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Wich of you do I listen?

tropic schooner
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Both work but draco might be betterw

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But i pinged the rater and theyre more qualifird

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So wait for them id say

raw hornet
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Yes

obtuse prairie
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you'd rather fog/psychic/coverage hp since its utility lati

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if you do go fog lati tho you can change glis to sd or smth

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gren also sort of runs thru the team, might be worth putting a dark resist over serp/keld

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speed control also doesnt exist

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overall prob cant get away with serp/keld/kyub in the same team

tropic schooner
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Keld i suggested to put over clef because team lost to ttar and weav

raw hornet
obtuse prairie
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glis + ferro is prob enough for ttar pivoting wise, tho yea this team does let it come in quite often

obtuse prairie
raw hornet
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Oh ok

tropic schooner
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My main worry is some structure like

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Victini + weav + fini

raw hornet
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Maybe Hidden Power something

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Over dmeteor

raw hornet
tropic schooner
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Ferro is likely to be coming in on fini

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So you cant para the vic

raw hornet
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Oh yeah

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Yeah victini is probably hard to switch in

tropic schooner
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So hmm

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@obtuse prairie bulky bulu instead of serp?

raw hornet
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Only keldeo can go and kill it

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What

tropic schooner
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Also gets rid of misty terrain

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So u can para spam further

raw hornet
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Serp is good because of Glare

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And it has sub + leaf storm so Fini isn't a problem

tropic schooner
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You may not be able to afford serp here

raw hornet
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😦

tropic schooner
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Because of your main structure

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So you either get rid of serp or like

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Kyub which i assume u dont want

raw hornet
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I like kyub in this team

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But I also like serperior

obtuse prairie
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bulu may not be bad but weavile still goes to town, idk if you can do kyub + mlati atp

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the dark weakness is still decently glaring since vile and ttar can still decimate bulu

raw hornet
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Yeah so we keep serperior

tropic schooner
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Bulu at least tries to patch up specs gren issue

obtuse prairie
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ye

raw hornet
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You got a point

tropic schooner
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Which just sets spikes dark pulses a few times and wins

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Hmm lemme think

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Swap split magearna>ferro

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And defog mlati

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Should work

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With bulu

raw hornet
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Okay

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On mlatia

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Defog ice beam thunder Wave Roost?

tropic schooner
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Ice beam thunder wave defog roost

raw hornet
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Olay

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Okay

tropic schooner
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And then rocks glis ofc

obtuse prairie
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do you majorly need twave?

raw hornet
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I wanted to do a paraspam

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So at least 2

tropic schooner
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I assume the idea here was getting the fast guys parad and getting the kyub to sub

obtuse prairie
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yea but you also have a couple of abusers

tropic schooner
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And go to town against everything slower than it

obtuse prairie
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not just one mon and the rest of the team in BO

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also still need a speed control cover

raw hornet
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So the team I made up here

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Yeah I thinned about it too

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Thinked

tropic schooner
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I wish urshifu was in this game

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Is something like scarf bulu or scarf keld that bad to consider here?

obtuse prairie
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scarf keld is kind of eh, i havent seen scarf bulu in a while but i never rly thought highly of it either

raw hornet
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I like Scarf greninja but i guess it is hard to fit in

obtuse prairie
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tho i think you can just replace keld

raw hornet
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With Scarf gren?

tropic schooner
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Replacing keld wouldnt be so bad with bulu mage

raw hornet
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So we remove serp?

tropic schooner
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Remove serp as you arent reliant on para that much

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Would rather take the gren check here

raw hornet
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: (

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Okay

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What set of tapu bulu?

tropic schooner
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Spdef sd with protect

raw hornet
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Ok

tropic schooner
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Hmm what can u replace keld with

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Ig your own gren works

raw hornet
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Is it the best option?

tropic schooner
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Im looking at ash gren and scarf wash rn

raw hornet
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Gren can revenge kill volcarona zard x

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And just kill ttar and weavile with low kick

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Anyway I gtg sorry thanks for the help

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We'll continue the team later maybe

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Bye

tropic schooner
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Bit weak to kartana

obtuse prairie
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with mlati it shouldnt be too bad

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wincon is a bit worrying tho

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once kyub blows its z team cant pierce thru teams as well

tropic schooner
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Can do cm split mage

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To take advantage of double nuke

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Magearna @ Leftovers
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 248 HP / 28 Def / 224 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature

  • Calm Mind
  • Pain Split
  • Fleur Cannon
  • Thunderbolt
obtuse prairie
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i think you need defensive mage here, need to check a lot of stuff

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i was thinking make gren a rocker and glis sd

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tbh i dont see you clicking twave that often or benefitting from twave rather

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might be different in practice but thats what i mostly think

tropic schooner
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Otherwise it just punishes nearly every non gren mon

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Zardy is also pretty hard to punish with mono ice beam

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Zardy is also pretty hard to punish with mono ice beam

obtuse prairie
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yea thats the other thing, i dont see you getting away with mono ibeam, seems passive

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zard y is a bit w/e not like it can beat you

tropic schooner
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I think u go draco here

raw hornet
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So what we keep and what do we remove

night eagle
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Hi edeak

obtuse prairie
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this has kind of differentiated from paraspam so

night eagle
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What could fill in

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In last place

obtuse prairie
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if you wanna try building paraspam again the common builds for it is typically mhera + serp as the core

obtuse prairie
night eagle
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Ok

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Are u Kaede btw ?

obtuse prairie
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yes

night eagle
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Oh ok

night eagle
obtuse prairie
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dont need surf and ibeam rly

night eagle
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Surf for tran

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I just copied this set

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From a guy laddering

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But I can change

obtuse prairie
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you have gastro for tran, between that and mlati should be able to pivot fine against most variants

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ghostium is a odd pick on reuni, you'd rather electrium or fightinium to be ablt to deal with dark types reliably

tropic schooner
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You become even more fodder to zardx than u already are

obtuse prairie
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i wouldnt worry that much about zard x

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isnt too popular + only consistent on like one playstyle

night eagle
obtuse prairie
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thats where pivoting mlati comes in

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if you're that worried about tran you can always go hp ground or fighting

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those have more coverage on other threats asw

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also dont think twave is needed here at all

tropic schooner
obtuse prairie
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if anything sp cm might be better

obtuse prairie
tropic schooner
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If i cant ill just build another team

raw hornet
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I don't know I don't really like heracross Mega that much

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It don't bother me to build an entirely new team I just wanna stay on a paraspam one

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It looks really strong

tropic schooner
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Paraspam is good but you need more mons that benefit it

raw hornet
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Yeah

tropic schooner
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So id just

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Retry with a new idea

raw hornet
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Yeah good idea

tropic schooner
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This team is hard to work without major changes

raw hornet
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I tried the same team but with Scarf Koko and mega diancie

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But yeah

night eagle
raw hornet
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I removed these teams but we can try

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Chall Joooby

night eagle
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Alright

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Ok

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Offline

night eagle
raw hornet
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Retry

night eagle
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Accepr

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Send me

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Liderax

leaden fiber
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that lead zapdos does not?

raw hornet
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2 thunder waves user and pokemon that abuses it

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Kyurem Black I think is the biggest paraspam abuser

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Every time I tried the team at the end kyurem black cleaned the team when every threat was paralysed

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I think if my team keeps kyurem black I can accept major changes

sonic dust
leaden fiber
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What does that do for you

sonic dust
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that i dont actually care about dugtrio that much

leaden fiber
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In the speedtier between zap and jolteon what does that do for u (gengar, starmie, +1 ddtar)

tropic schooner
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It will be mine

sonic dust
leaden fiber
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The problem is not dug, the problem is that jolteon is weak and has bad entry and usually only fits on that one spikestack build

tropic schooner
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Itd be better for you to just build on your own ideas and then get help

leaden fiber
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Zapdos has baton pass

sonic dust
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wait fr?

leaden fiber
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Yes

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What?

raw hornet
sonic dust
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okey then ill use dos instead of jolteon

sonic dust
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i put that snorlax to check suicune, that is kinda annoying for my team

leaden fiber
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its like physical offense with zard as the skarmbliss breaker instead of mag

sonic dust
tropic schooner
leaden fiber
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I think u can just put a claydol somewhere but gimme two mins

obtuse prairie
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what is z poison for and cress

tropic schooner
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Cress is just a paralysis spreader that beats mmedi

obtuse prairie
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why not mew atp

tropic schooner
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Idt mew actually takes consistently

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Especially koko mmedi with tpunch

obtuse prairie
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meh takes around the same + cress is largely useless otherwise/can be stalled out of recovery easily

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also dont rly have speed control

tropic schooner
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Felt like gren + paraspam was largely fine since my paraspammers are not easy to take down

obtuse prairie
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well try it and see

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if you have problems lmk and we can try to fix

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its difficult to really gauge how new structures like this would do in the metagame purely off speculation

raw hornet
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What do you guys think about it???

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With a band victini with final gambit over Zen headbutt

obtuse prairie
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no dark resist and speed control

raw hornet
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Maybe Scarf Lando?

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Wait a sec I'll modify it real quick

night eagle
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Made this

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Wdy think

obtuse prairie
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sry but most of the team is unviable, id advise checking sample teams, vr and smogdex to become more familiar with teambuilding

night eagle
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Alright

raw hornet
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I changed and built around tapu Fini+kyurem black

obtuse prairie
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speed control is still a little shaky

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rule of thumb for mlop speed control is making sure you have a solid defense against the things you miss out on

raw hornet
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I thought lopunny mega was enough

obtuse prairie
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ie mzam

raw hornet
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Oh yeah and ferrothorn doesn't check zam

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Hmmm

obtuse prairie
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also fini defeats the purpose of paraspam

raw hornet
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Yeah I know but it goes really well with kyurem black so I thought it would've been okay

obtuse prairie
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atp just dont run paraspam

raw hornet
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I don't know what to play then

tropic schooner
obtuse prairie
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what were the problems

tropic schooner
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KokoLucha was the main problem

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As mmedi forced damage on cress and cress got into ranges of hawlucha really fast

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Psyspam was also really messy to deal with

obtuse prairie
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oh yea no speed control + no secondary answer would do that

tropic schooner
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So i first tried weavile

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It could revenge kill lucha with ice shard, pursuit trap the psychics clicking psychic moves and knock off mzam, etc

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And then i was like

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Do i even need gren anymore

obtuse prairie
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how do you knock off zam

tropic schooner
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I mean

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Knock off zam

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The set

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Used in psyspam

obtuse prairie
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p certain it never drops focus

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just 3a recover if atp

tropic schooner
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Main idea of knock off zam is knocking off the assault vest off of magearna

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So lele blows it up

obtuse prairie
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ik what it does

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i just dont know how vile suits it

tropic schooner
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Im pretty sure some drop focus but i may be wrong

obtuse prairie
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dropping focus basically just eliminates zam's threat level by half

tropic schooner
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Anyways vile was mostly for the lucha part

obtuse prairie
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when you cant drop all of its so called checks

tropic schooner
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Because vile could trap mlati i was like hey

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Lets go volcanion

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That also walls fini anyways

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But then the issue became im still too slow and idk how to fix it

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Then to break pex more easily i wanted to run tpunch mmaw

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So i switched to aoa

obtuse prairie
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sd seems a little better here tbh, since you have no other major breaking factor

tropic schooner
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Yea thats fair

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I also considered scarf lele>weav at some point

obtuse prairie
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that sounds nice

tropic schooner
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It can theoretically both remove electric terrain and capitalize on mmedi

obtuse prairie
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idt you need vile with mmaw

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since mmaw smashes most vile targets as is

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  • can fuck up koklucha terrain positioning
tropic schooner
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Mhm thats the main idea

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Didnt try it yet tho

obtuse prairie
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lost myself for a sec

tropic schooner
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Yea i got it

obtuse prairie
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alternative fini over volcanion for lucha check and another form of speed control over vile

tropic schooner
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I prefer having volc but ill try that too

mossy kelp
karmic geyserBOT
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New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mossy kelp
woeful pumice
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first sm attempt

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@obtuse prairie

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i think i could make this a slower gliscor

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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 52 Def / 192 SpD / 20 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Defog
  • Roost
  • Knock Off
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like this

leaden fiber
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U struggle hella with psychics

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But otherwise it looks mostly fine

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also i prefer knock>scald on tox

woeful pumice
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how could i fix it

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smth>zap?

leaden fiber
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U need zap not to lose to kart

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U could try av torn but thats iffy as hell

woeful pumice
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ye

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hm

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anything else

leaden fiber
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U can also make

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Mage split swap stuff

woeful pumice
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ooh yeah

leaden fiber
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and more spdef

woeful pumice
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Magearna @ Leftovers
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 248 HP / 28 Def / 232 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 6 Spe

  • Heart Swap
  • Pain Split
  • Volt Switch
  • Flash Cannon
night eagle
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Damn

leaden fiber
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lele/zam dont boost but its slightly better into mtias

night eagle
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Hello smogon

leaden fiber
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Well cm lele exists but is like mid

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Im not sm goat tho sorry

night eagle
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Wanna battle anybody if ur Available

woeful pumice
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made a tiny change

night eagle
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What’s this bo?

leaden fiber
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IDK i can run some tests with u

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Let me Get on my PC

night eagle
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Thoughts ?

dry bay
# night eagle What’s this bo?

BO is bulky offense. Mostly consists of two to three breakers that are bulky enough to withstand a hit. BO also good for Bulky setup sweepers.

dry bay
dry bay
raw hornet
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Is my team good what do I need to change

opal beacon
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like sun and gren combo

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maybe scarf gren

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protean here would be nice

raw hornet
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Yes but charizard y is a early game wallbreakers and ash gren a late game sweeper

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So I don't think there will be sun anyway

opal beacon
opal beacon
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and that charizard set is bad

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run fire blast/flamethrower , solar beam, focus blast and roost if u want roost or hp ice for dnite

raw hornet
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Dite isn't important

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Dnite

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Solar beam and focus blast yeah probably I suppose I can kill heatran with focus blast

raw hornet
opal beacon
raw hornet
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No I have to be as fast as possible

opal beacon
obtuse prawn
raw hornet
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To out speed tapu Lele and kyurem black

raw hornet
opal beacon
obtuse prawn
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bro that v create shit does 57% damage to my pex

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what the fuck

opal beacon
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cb victini too good

obtuse prawn
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yea

opal beacon
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shits on stall

raw hornet
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I don't think pex is good to check a 277 base power move

obtuse prawn
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im 422 def pex

opal beacon
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not in stall atleasst

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wait

obtuse prawn
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quagsire?

dry bay
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tru

obtuse prawn
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can

opal beacon
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u can go quag

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ye

raw hornet
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I don't think quag will tank

dry bay
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Quag for Clef

obtuse prawn
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thats actually gay both crawdaunt and vic

obtuse prawn
raw hornet
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If pex doesn't tank there's no chance quagsire tanks

opal beacon
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or maybe not

obtuse prawn
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idts

opal beacon
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get healbell on chansey

obtuse prawn
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i mean

opal beacon
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then

obtuse prawn
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yea

dry bay
obtuse prawn
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i just have to make sure gliscro doesnt lose his orb

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i cant put heal bell anyways

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i need toxic and rocks

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on chansey

dry bay
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Well tbh CB Vic Sun is a bit rare ngl. And u can wear it down p easily with Hazards

obtuse prawn
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its rare yea

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but hazards doenst work

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i only got rocks

dry bay
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Rocks is enough ig

obtuse prawn
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yea

opal beacon
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it enough

obtuse prawn
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but how is quagsire replacement on clef as a change though

raw hornet
opal beacon
dry bay
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@opal beacon

opal beacon
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that set is actually unviable

dry bay
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Don't use roost lmfao

opal beacon
obtuse prawn
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zard is a miss machien with that set

dry bay
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I mean fog

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Not roost

obtuse prawn
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remov defog and like make a chang

opal beacon
dry bay
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Charizard-Mega-Y @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Flamethrower
  • Air Slash
  • Solar Beam
  • Roost
obtuse prawn
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works

opal beacon
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slash nice

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I prefer beam

dry bay
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Not FB

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oH WAIT

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fb IS RECOMMENDED

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Yeah go Beam for Slash

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Is it odd that u hab Agren with Zardy?

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He can use Fini for that slot

opal beacon
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Charizard-Mega-Y @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
flamethrower/blast (risk it ur call)
solar beam ( need it for rotom and gren fini )
roost ( may or maynot use depends on if u can fog or not)
slash/focus blast if u can kill opposing heatran with ur lando then cool dont use fb if not then use it

opal beacon
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with gunk shot , low kick and stuff

dry bay
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idk. He needs more Defensive options

opal beacon
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gunk shot
low kick
spikes
ice beam

dry bay
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Since his tran is offensive rn

opal beacon
dry bay
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welp it's offense

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I am bit used too build BO 🤣

opal beacon
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he doesnt

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hes got rh lando and tang

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and a scarf tini to reveneg

dry bay
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Isn't weav both check it?

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Welp

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Yeah

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Aight

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Go ProtGren

raw hornet
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Okay

opal beacon
raw hornet
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What set?

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Of gren

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Z move or lo

dry bay
#

What if

opal beacon
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its either LO or band

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band more commonly

opal beacon
raw hornet
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Okay

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With low kick Gunk Shot ice beam and Spikes?

dry bay
#

Band Gren?

raw hornet
#

What

opal beacon
#

more nice

dry bay
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On weav

raw hornet
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Expert Belt gren is so cool

dry bay
#

But yeah, tbh I like groundium Z gren here

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Then Tran Spdef. hmm

raw hornet
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Groundium Z for what

dry bay
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nahh

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Just keep EBelt

dry bay
raw hornet
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Yeah but I have focus blast on zard

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And my own heatran

dry bay
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Yeah yeah go EBelt

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Gunk Shot, U-turn, Low Kick, Ice Beam

raw hornet
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Greninja @ Expert Belt
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

  • Gunk Shot
  • Low Kick
  • Ice Beam
  • Spikes
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Oops I put torrent

dry bay
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U-turn

raw hornet
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On whag

#

What

dry bay
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Gren

raw hornet
#

What move

dry bay
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Spikes

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Since u hab Lando and Tang to deal Electrics

raw hornet
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Ok

opal beacon
#

hows this

raw hornet
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That's what I made

opal beacon
raw hornet
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Yes

opal beacon
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I changed it for u

dry bay
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Boosted HP fire sus

opal beacon
opal beacon
dry bay
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But tbh alpha

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Idk if u rlly need it

opal beacon
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actually u dont

dry bay
#

Low Kick is niche ngl

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To hit even MTTar

opal beacon
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but again its boosted hp fire in sun

opal beacon
dry bay
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Aight

raw hornet
#

3 fire types is cool

opal beacon
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maybe pump

dry bay
#

The Rain MU is a bit worrywhirl but ur fine

opal beacon
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hydro pump with expert belt

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rain matchup is alright

raw hornet
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Why hpump with expert belt

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Rain match-up is alright because I have Zard y

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With solar beam

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Wich destroy swampert

opal beacon
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its alright as long as u dont die to rocks

raw hornet
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Yes

opal beacon
tropic schooner
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Okay so

opal beacon
#

they will just switch to torn

tropic schooner
#

One thing about zard y teams

opal beacon
raw hornet
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Yes

opal beacon
tropic schooner
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You practically need a pursuit trapper

opal beacon
tropic schooner
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So you deal damage to mega latias

raw hornet
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Oh yeah I forgot about it

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But I have tini Scarf

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He can final gambit latias

opal beacon
raw hornet
#

What

opal beacon
raw hornet
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How is it possible

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I think 100 > 90

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Or 80

opal beacon
#

AYE AYE AYE

raw hornet
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Why it doesn't kill it

tropic schooner
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Mega latias isnt switching into gren

opal beacon
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and gunk shot in case thy switch to fairy aye aye aye

dry bay
#

Ahh that's why they often run Dual weather for zard Y

opal beacon
tropic schooner
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I prefer weavile but ttar zard y is ran yea

raw hornet
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Ttar so you have better match-up against rain

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But I don't know what to remove for ttar

tropic schooner
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Zardy comps usually consist of

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Zardy weavile defog fini defog kart with z ,lando and zapdos

dry bay
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Defog scarf kart

tropic schooner
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Defog z kart

dry bay
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Yeah I have 1 zardy team lemme find

dry bay
tropic schooner
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Synthesis with grassium or fightinium

dry bay
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Wait it's Zardy Sand

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🤣

tropic schooner
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Looks similar enough to a standard zardy team

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Imma go find mine

dry bay
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Just Zap for torn, and Kart for Drill

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tbh, I don't feel comfortable having hurriane on torn with Sand and Sun in my team worrycargo

raw hornet
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But I wanna build my own team 😦

tropic schooner
#

cuz it requires very specific stuff to work

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but you can try

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a flier, a water, a ground, double removal, way to remove/get heavy damage on mega latias and kommo-o and pex

raw hornet
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Okay I'll try with this list

tropic schooner
#

and ofc the mandatory parts of a team like speed control, defensive backbone

raw hornet
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Maybe ferrothorn on heatran

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To have better match-up against rain

dry bay
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Wait

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It's

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It looks so good with ferro ngl

dry bay
raw hornet
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Nice

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But if we remove ferrothorn there will be no trapper for chansey

dry bay
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idk why am I feeling perfectionism in this team 🤣

tropic schooner
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@rare token i saw u online

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come look at this

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im gonna go for a bit

dry bay
#

bye

raw hornet
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Goodbye glimmeow

rare token
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I was probably online at one point yeah

raw hornet
#

Hello based god

rare token
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Hello

raw hornet
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Here's the team

opal beacon
#

teams nice

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u got mag counters

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u got lucha counters

dry bay
#

232 impish is enough

tropic schooner
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you are good at smouing

raw hornet
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That doesn't even trap chansey that well

opal beacon
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heatran owns chansey

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magma storm toxic taunt and tect is the best set out there

raw hornet
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Okay no earth power??

opal beacon
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THE BEST CHANSEY trapper is heatran

opal beacon
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but tect is always nice

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with toxic

raw hornet
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Okay

opal beacon
#

also maybe catch a hjk with tect

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mind games always

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act like no tect and then tect on the hjk

raw hornet
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Also the Leftovers EVs on Lando where do I put it

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Yes

dry bay
raw hornet
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Ok

dry bay
#

252 HP/232 Def/24 speed

raw hornet
#

Yes

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232 Impish is to tank what?

rare token
#

I will look tomorrow

raw hornet
#

A based God needs sleeping

dry bay
#

It tanks more effectively than the standard Defense. And allows it to live one -1 Ice Punch + HJK from MMedi iirc

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With only rolls

raw hornet
#

Wow

dry bay
#

Only rolls tho

raw hornet
#

Nice

dry bay
#

But ofc, don't always expect it will live. U can still switch in Fini for emergency

raw hornet
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Yes

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Wait I don't have a stealth Rock setter

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Is that important

#

?

dry bay
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Uhh

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U hab Heatran ryt

raw hornet
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No

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Heatran have Magma Storm protect earth power and taunt

opal beacon
#

wait

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no toxic

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tf

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run storm taunt tect toxic

raw hornet
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Oh I forgot I got gren to kill pex

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Okay I think the team is good like this we will wait maybe based god so he can give even more precise advice

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But anyway thanks alpha and kageyama for all the help :)))

dry bay
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np

dry bay
raw hornet
#

Steal what

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The team

#

If yes then yes you can steal it

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It doesn't bother me

opal beacon
dry bay
dry bay
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yo @raw hornet I tested ur team. And u rlly lose to MZam outside vic

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So try to preserve ur vic when facing Mzam

raw hornet
#

Yes

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Other than that it's good right?

dry bay
night eagle
#

I copied the team

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From somebody

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Just gave it ev spreads

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This is the guy I copied from

dry bay
raw hornet
#

Anyone for a SM OU fight?

dry bay
#

Also my friend gave him 100 points from 1600s to 1700s 🤣

dry bay
raw hornet
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Ye

dry bay
#

send to eirone

raw hornet
#

Do you know German111

#

?

dry bay
night eagle
#

400 turns

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Rip

tribal smelt
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I like this.

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How come you chose Mlop

tropic schooner