Old Gens OU

[rain pine]

https://pokepast.es/849adb10b5e3dc74

Tried building around toxapex / ferrothorn core

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/62d712d5452d797e How's my team? Gen 6 OU

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[random rover]

https://pokepast.es/3abf1bc4be5bf915 Gen 7 OU team

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[obtuse prairie]

donphan's an odd choice for smou, especially when you have grounds like drill/chomp/lando

whats the aim of this team?

[random rover]

I was looking for rapid spin bulky mons and that was a good option (bc my team was struggling from hazards)

[random rover]

To get the beast boosts going safely to sweep

[obtuse prairie]

you have no hazards on your team so foggers arent a bad option

well besides donphan but its just rocks so its w/e

you also cant have z moves on three different users

[random rover]

Is that like tournament rules or regular rules

Bc if it’s tournament there might be an uh oh

[obtuse prairie]

more that the game only lets you use z moves once per battle

so afterwards itll be completely useless

[random rover]

Hm

I might change that bc I only really use Kartana’s z move

[obtuse prairie]

i havent used xurk a whole lot but i havent seen anyone pull off non z much

maybe shuca but idt its that worth

[random rover]

What would be a good item for volcarona

I’m running bulky quiver so would I choose leftovers

[obtuse prairie]

for bulky ive used lefties sometimes yea

[random rover]

Okay

[obtuse prairie]

you can also find sets on the smogdex

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/

[random rover]

Would it be worth running z moves on both kartana and xurk

[rain pine]

https://pokepast.es/849adb10b5e3dc74

[random rover]

How are you winning ur games

Like what’s ur win condition

[rain pine]

hex gengar

[obtuse prairie]

id recommend just picking one

[rain pine]

with toxic spikes support

sweeps

[obtuse prairie]

kart can actually diversify with other sets

like band and scarf

[leaden fiber]

Hola kaede

https://pokepast.es/ae06a55c4ca64cd7

@obtuse prairie

[obtuse prairie]

had any problems with it?

volc is a potential pain but there's only so much you can do with offense to cover everything, you pressure it well otherwise anyway

just dont give it a free turn with ferro or anything

[leaden fiber]

yeah

volc is always a problem

ngl

j making sure i didnt miss anything super obvious

[rain pine]

Any improvements switching sets, mons or anything?

[obtuse prairie]

i prefer a more defensive lando on that variant but nm else really

[leaden fiber]

do we really only have one oras rater

[obtuse prairie]

standard run of the mill offense

[obtuse prairie]

what tier?

[rain pine]

SS OU

[rain pine]

If I play toxapex right volc isn't too much of a threat, unless it's running psychic instead of bug buzz

[obtuse prairie]

tera isnt in ss ou

[leaden fiber]

neither is mgar

[dry bay]

Scarf Xurk niche

[random rover]

https://pokepast.es/4cbd6f2bee80c592 Gen 5 OU rate my team! (And tell me potential flaws)

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @dull socket, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

Sub ddnite doesn't really fit on Sand teams

Because it wants to abuse multiscale

Also this team lacks good speed control

I'd recommend Scarf Garchomp since it fits best

If you still want SD Chomp then I'd recommend Salac berry over Yache berry

Finally you might want to do celebi calcs vs Scarf keld on rain and +1 keld in sand

Also dont 240 speed evs make garchomp slower than base 100's?

Nvm it's still faster

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/87a28bfbaacaf454 Gen 6 OU?

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tame depot]

here’s my gen 1 team I know it needs a lot of work Alakazam
Ability: No Ability

• Hyper Beam
• Recover
• Reflect
• Psychic

Slowbro

• Amnesia
• Psychic
• Rest
• Thunder Wave

Zapdos

• Thunder Wave
• Thunder
• Drill Peck
• Rest

Exeggutor

• Sleep Powder
• Mega Drain
• Psychic
• Explosion

Don (Rhydon)
Ability: No Ability

• Thunder
• Substitute
• Rock Slide
• Earthquake

Tauros

• Body Slam
• Earthquake
• Blizzard
• Hyper Beam

[leaden fiber]

@weak mirage

also, put it in a pokepaste format

for future reference

[tame depot]

Ok

[weak mirage]

hello

you really need chansey and snorlax on your team

do you need to replace 2 of rhydon, egg, zap, bro, and zam

which three do u want to keep

actually u should def keep zam because you need a strong lead

so alakazam, tauros, chansey, snorlax, + two

the best last two are probably egg+zap, egg+don, don+bro

[tame depot]

I’d like to keep slowbro for sure

Do I need chanset and snorlax or just one?

[weak mirage]

both

i would then do

Alakazam, Rhydon, Slowbro, Chansey, Snorlax, Tauros

tauros and snorlax are on 100% of rby ou teams

chansey is on like 97%

and then u need a lead - usually starmie, alakazam, jynx, or gengar

and when you have slowbro in the back, rhydon is a good partner since it hard walls zapdos

Alakazam

• Hyper Beam -> Seismic Toss
• Recover
• Reflect -> Thunder Wave
• Psychic

you need stoss to pressure zam/starmie

and thunder wave to spread paraysis for rhydon and slowbro as well

[tame depot]

But wouldn’t eggecutor be pretty good because of sleep powder and psychic?

[weak mirage]

exeggutor is a good mon - alakazam+exeggutor+slowbro+3 normals just loses to zapdos though

[tame depot]

Alright thank you!

[weak mirage]

its ok to bring into someone u think wont bring zapdos

for example i brought that team in spl last year

bc based on scouting i knew my opp wouldnt bring zapdos

https://pokepast.es/2436710071b44e5a

this is what i used

[tame depot]

Oh I see

[weak mirage]

generally, it is safer to pair slowbro with rhydon

Rhydon

• Thunder -> Body Slam
• Substitute
• Rock Slide
• Earthquake

rhydon needs body slam to paralyze starmie switch ins

much better way of beating it than thunder

tauros set works

chansey should be sing, ice beam, thunder wave, softboiled

snorlax should be body slam, reflect, boom, rest

(need to boom starmie)

slowbro should be amnesia, surf, thunder wave, rest

[peak canyon]

Why is Chansey not on 100% of teams like lax and Tauros?

[weak mirage]

there are some more offensive-oriented teams that dont like playing with chansey's passiveness

but they are rare and not somebody with little experience should be using

snorlax / tauros are universally great on every team

[peak canyon]

How good is Exeggutor in RBY? I know it’s not big 4 anymore, but is it still like top 5 material?

Also why did eggy fall off from when people said it was mandatory? From what I read and watched, it seems like it had the potential to cripple teams heavily, but since good players knew how to limit eggy’s usefulness, eggy often traded neutrally instead of positively?

[weak mirage]

its the 5th or 6th best mon depending who you ask

one big reason it fell off was the rise of sing chansey

people would switch in chansey turn 1 on a starmie/alakazam twave, get para'd, click sing, and then block sleep powder

since egg cant really break chansey

[peak canyon]

Unless it explodes.

Which doesn’t really allow eggy to do much else

[weak mirage]

if it explodes you dont get sleep

so you are playing 1 mon down

[peak canyon]

Fair

[peak canyon]

Wait sing Chansey is a thing?

[weak mirage]

yes

[peak canyon]

It’s super slow and has 55 accuracy

Tbf it is RBY

[weak mirage]

it gets to click sing a lot of times

because its so fat + softboiled

[peak canyon]

But I just didn’t expect Chansey of all things to be a sleep spreader

[weak mirage]

so it can miss 3 times and still land sing

[peak canyon]

I think I should try running sleep Chansey sometime

[peak canyon]

After some changes, this is my current GSC OU team. Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/20bbd193c858b6ef

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @half jungle, @silver reef, @fresh thistle, @red delta. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak canyon]

I've been thinking about switching double edge for body slam for spreading para. It's lower power, but the lower speed and chance to para makes it easier for my lategame threats to sweep

I've also been thinking about switching explosion on steelix for rock slide. Obviously boom is valuable, but I want something to hit skarmory, since most of the people I've been going up against seem to have just that as their steelix answer

Also when I set up a curse, due to gen 2 phazing mechanics, the slower mon's roar/whirlwind is the one that works, so it could help aid in setting up

[fresh thistle]

i dont think there is anything major i would change about the team

its perfectly viable as is

just know that a common strategy to deal with skarmory is to set up with steelix and explode

it is a good way to open up curse eq snorlax when you are palying against stall

[peak canyon]

That's what I've been doing for now, but it feels like a bit of a waste.

[peak canyon]

Yeah that's what I've been doing, so that's why I'm kinda torn on rockslide or boom

[fresh thistle]

rock slide relies on being able to set up curse a lot

since explosion can be used for immediate power, you will find it useful more often

[peak canyon]

Ok I'll stay with boom then

Should I swap body slam for double edge?

[fresh thistle]

no i dont think there are any major targets this team wants to paralyze

body slam lax hits mostly normal resists or other lax

nothing you have really needs these to be paralyzed

para on cloy is ok

personal preference really

[peak canyon]

Thank you. I'll just stay with this team then

[radiant silo]

https://pokepast.es/3f0e543ff6333ad7 Gen 6 OU anyone?

[gritty scaffold]

could anyone rate my team ive tried to build around victini tips are greatly appreciated https://pokepast.es/abf568cdf9a53642 SS ou btw

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tame depot]

Im still working on my team and I’m just wondering, with alakazam rhydon slowbro chansey snorlax tauros I wouldn’t have a zapdos on my team but are there any good competitive teams with a zapdos or a jolteon?

[weak mirage]

yes, there are a lot but electrics dont usually pair well with slowbro or rhydon

a good zapdos team is alakazam, exeggutor, zapdos, chansey, snorlax, tauros

[tame depot]

So I’d have to pick between zapdos with exeggutor and slowbro with rhydon?

[weak mirage]

you can always use two teams, but yeah those are two separate cores that dont mesh well together

[burnt obsidian]

hi, this is my gen 8 ou team, havent played showdown for a few years and just got back into it, is this team still viable and what should i use to fill my 6th slot

[obtuse prairie]

@peak canyon use pokepaste

oops i mean @burnt obsidian

[burnt obsidian]

here

https://pokepast.es/4c6660659d75fbb5

thanks

[rain pine]

So, kind of gimmicky but hear me out... https://pokepast.es/f5451b610750ebca

[dry bay]

Gen?

[rain pine]

SS OU

[dry bay]

@azure torrent

[azure torrent]

I’m busy tonight sorry

[dry bay]

Aight aight. Gluck!

[dry bay]

Uhm ig. The team has a lot of pivots. And there's no sense of having no benefactor of it like sweepers.

[rain pine]

Any recommendations? I don't mind if it doesn't have regenerator lol

[leaden fiber]

well for one alolamola is

not in gen 8

[dry bay]

Well I'm not an SS OU player

[leaden fiber]

So this is not usable in ss ou anyways

[dry bay]

But generally, I know how pivots function.

And yea alo isn't available in Gen 8 🤣

[rain pine]

Hrm

Thats

not good

is it?

[dry bay]

Torn exists in Gen 8 ryt?

[rain pine]

idek XD

[leaden fiber]

Yes

[rain pine]

Torn has regenerator 😮

Moveset changes? Item changes?

[dry bay]

idk not an SS OU rater

[woeful pumice]

Alomomola isnt in gen8

This team isnt rlly good

[muted ore]

Gen7 rain team good?

Don’t have access to Ferrothorn and alot of legendary Pokémon

(Ignore the items I’ll change them)

[dry bay]

Send the paste

[muted ore]

Paste?

Ok

Wait

[dry bay]

Yeah the link of that paste

[muted ore]

https://pokepast.es/0b4d38165e598492

[dry bay]

btw why?

[muted ore]

Friends rules

[dry bay]

uhh

Uhm

[muted ore]

Oops

[short hedge]

thats not OU so I can't rate it

[calm trail]

ow sorry 🙂

[peak canyon]

What’s the main difference between Cloyster and forretress in GSC?

Seems Cloyster is more offensively oriented, whereas forretress is defensively oriented and a rapid spinner

[fresh thistle]

Forre trades speed and power for better defenses and a toxic immunity. Defensive teams value the toxic immunity since it means forre can stick around longer. Offensive teams value Cloysters better speed and good surf + explosion coverage.

Forre can also have spikes + spin + explosion on the same set while cloy cannot have spin and boom together. However it is uncommon for forre to run all of these moves at once.

If you have more gsc questions that aren’t directly RMT related, I encourage you to join the official gsc discord server https://discord.gg/UEX2qFr2hT

[peak canyon]

Thank you

[dry bay]

https://pokepast.es/0faba3d803295d37 i know I rate most of the teams but @obtuse prairie i just stole this team. Is this gud?

[leaden fiber]

looks mostly solid although I hate av tang in general

like good job, nice tang that loses to bulu!

anyways @rare token

[rare token]

Looks like the rain MU is horrendous

[dry bay]

me too

I just stole it somewhere

[dry bay]

I agree too, since no effective switchins to ice punch MSwamp

[leaden fiber]

thats

not rly the issue

[dry bay]

only tran but

I mean

[leaden fiber]

tang is about as good as it gets v mpert

[rare token]

You struggle with the other guys of rain

Like manaphy and ash gren

[leaden fiber]

u lose to manaphy and gren yeah

[rare token]

Mana genuinely 6-0’s off preview

[dry bay]

Doesn't just kart outspeed it and KO it?

Mana?

[rare token]

Besides kartana nothing is ohkoing it

[dry bay]

yea

[leaden fiber]

ye but manaphy just goes into the ferro and u get chipped down and mana comes back in and rests

[rare token]

Kart is an easy mon to chip/ ruin

[leaden fiber]

so its like

🤷

[dry bay]

Welp that seems bad as I thought

btw i don't rlly seek help on this team but I'll post it anyways https://pokepast.es/61d938a5abfe6458

tots

That team was supposed to beat some psyspams and Xtrashine

btw @rare token are u already an official rater?

[rare token]

I will never be a official rater

But I do give good advice

[raw hornet]

Is this a good team? https://pokepast.es/63f9dab3787e78cd

[dry bay]

Hmm make Greninja the Ash-Gren Variant with spikes. U need pursuit trapper so u may choose between band weav or band ttar here to replace pex. But @obtuse prairie can give much precise rate for this. The team is decent ig

Also U-turn > Toxic on Gliscor is good too for slow u-turn

Ah also I forgot Ice Beam > Focus Blast on Magearna

[raw hornet]

Okay

So no z move?

[leaden fiber]

so its mhera + z gren to bait things like fini/pex right

i would keep as is, maybe dont need spike on gren and instead have uturn / hp fire

pex can do knock > scald but its whatever really

and i do not understand iron head mage i never click it so ice beam > iron head

[tropic schooner]

Iron head beats reuni clef

Otherwise reuni kinda just

Blows up

[raw hornet]

Okay thanks

If it's still bad we can entirely change the team

[leaden fiber]

theres no way

ihead beats reuni

if u want reuni check pin missile > sub on mhera and volt to hera

[tropic schooner]

Thunder clef also sucks to face

[leaden fiber]

maybe split swap mage

and make pex more spdef

for gren

[raw hornet]

Okay

[leaden fiber]

oh its spfef alr

yea

and that lets u beat mtias

[raw hornet]

Yes

[leaden fiber]

glimmer does that sound better

[tropic schooner]

Yea im okay w that

Beats stored power mega latias too

[leaden fiber]

zerkas (sm expert)

😈😈

[raw hornet]

Like this

https://pokepast.es/5cf42206cde5de84

[leaden fiber]

make magearna the pain split heart swap set

[raw hornet]

Okay

[leaden fiber]

then should b fine

[raw hornet]

Finish

https://pokepast.es/bf9e5db02e57bde3

There's the team entirely finished

Thanks guys!

[peak canyon]

ADV OU team. Haven't ever played adv ou, so if anyone has suggestions, please let me know

https://pokepast.es/e739185c464008b6

[leaden fiber]

zapdug relies on trapping blissey/celebi

so use mons that abuse that

cuz thats what zap commonly passes to

[peak canyon]

I have Dugtrio for both

[leaden fiber]

ye thats the point

zapdug traps bliss/celebi

but u need mons that abuse

those things being gone

[peak canyon]

Oh

Does Gengar and Ttar count?

[leaden fiber]

gengar yes

ttar doesnt need to be here really

https://pokepast.es/a9a9c585f3270852

heres one similar

zap + dug + gar is a good start

[peak canyon]

Isn’t Ttar to adv what lax is to gsc?

[vale bear]

not necessarily no

[leaden fiber]

no

[peak canyon]

Oh

[leaden fiber]

lax is a must bring to every game

ttar is a must prep for

but not a must bring

if that makes sense

u cant run a team weak to ttar, but u can definitely not bring ttar

[peak canyon]

Oh

So basically it’s really good, but not mandatory

[vale bear]

yeah

[peak canyon]

Ok

[peak canyon]

Should I keep forretress for spin and spikes?

[dry bay]

Ihead hits opposing Magearna

[leaden fiber]

for solid 12%

just volt please

[leaden fiber]

@polar nacelle

[dry bay]

Btw zerkas

Did u joined the SM OU winter Tour?

I battled one of ur friends iirc, Hematemesis

[leaden fiber]

I joined, yes

[dry bay]

Did u already played a round?

[leaden fiber]

yes

won

[dry bay]

Nice

Well I lost to Hema

[leaden fiber]

r2 tmrw.

[dry bay]

Hema is too good lmfao

But I almost won the 1st game

[leaden fiber]

nice

[dry bay]

The foken pex stalls me hard

[leaden fiber]

its double elim

[dry bay]

Yeah thank goodness

[polar nacelle]

Forretress doesnt fit there

[peak canyon]

Why not?

[polar nacelle]

It usually fits more on balanced teams with pursuit support

It is possible to do forretress special offense but it's not for beginners and would need a move that hits gengar

I advise you to check out the adv sample teams thread

There is a similar team under "special offense"

And about ttar, it fits on these teams so there is no problem using it

Except that ddtar might not be the set you want since this is mainly a special offense archetype

Also when you post an adv rmt here please tag adv helper(s) that u want help from bc we don't check this channel so often otherwise

[peak canyon]

Ok

Thanks

[raw hornet]

Is this team weird?(and is it good what do I need to change? ) https://pokepast.es/9b43ff100a44d4aa

SM OU

[raw hornet]

And what about this one? https://pokepast.es/feb92f46a14b09da

[dry bay]

Wut's with Ditto may I ask? I also don't like Hoopa nowadays. Try restructuring ur team again

[dry bay]

This team looks fine fir me but @obtuse prairie u may do changes here too @leaden fiber also u

[obtuse prairie]

spdef lefties mage fits a little better imo

i dont see much else wrong unless youve been having trouble with anything

[tropic schooner]

yea we told em to go split swap lefties mage

[raw hornet]

Yes but that's another team

[tropic schooner]

this is the same team

[raw hornet]

It's not

This is the other team

https://pokepast.es/bf9e5db02e57bde3

The one you helped me with yesterday

[tropic schooner]

Huh i couldve sworn

But yea same thing applies here

Similar defensive core still needs a way to deal with the cm dudes

So split swap

[raw hornet]

Yes

[random rover]

I have a few Gen 5 OU teams

https://pokepast.es/afbf7feb041ebd55 - Rampardos centered team

https://pokepast.es/884bb6d5445e8d07 - Offensive Lando T team

Are these any good?

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @dull socket, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/76d577f188afb47b ssou

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid tiger]

this looks solid would do however shed pex cause tran is annoying even tho you also have a gastro

[tropic schooner]

Yea thats fair

Thx

[orchid tiger]

weav mu should be fine but if you feel like you get cucked even with pex you can try colbur rachi, but yeah looks solid

[tropic schooner]

Rachi stall looked cool and i always wanted to make my own weav stall and they looked good together

So

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/6c03b326142dca02 could u look at this too

[orchid tiger]

Ooo sub zap

[leaden fiber]

subroost zap

poggers

make it hwave imo

u stall out tran magmas anyways

[hasty ingot]

Probably wanna make your slowking regen

Sure that was just a mistake

[tropic schooner]

Yea thats a mistake

[hasty ingot]

I could see taunt on torn

[orchid tiger]

Honestly part of me lowkey wants to make this moltres to compress both zapdos and torn, weav > torn

[hasty ingot]

Personally I prefer heat wave > hurricane cause you don’t wanna get kartana’d

[tropic schooner]

I dont dig molt that much rn

Could try it tho ig

[raw hornet]

Is Icy Wind with icium z is viable with Tornadus T?

[leaden fiber]

would not

seems unnecessary

[raw hornet]

Okay

What about a team based on ash gren + Crawdaunt core

[silver reef]

if ur that weak to sd garchomp + sd gliscor yes

but its a suboptimal set, use only if ur team really needs those two gone (moreso gliscor)

[remote arch]

https://pokepast.es/172d7a5b960ef9fe gen 3

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @old iris. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden fiber]

wtf

why

ur so cope into mag

[remote arch]

That's kinda why i'm tryna get help here

[cosmic sail]

https://pokepast.es/8349b1b5d0a6c6f2 Gen8 OU. needing to add one more

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mossy kelp]

what do u think abt my gen 8 OU team? https://pokepast.es/6dd370ea3496b5a4 i think i could change garchomp for dragapult but what do u recommend me?

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[woeful pumice]

ribombee looks random here

[cosmic sail]

what do u think i should add and then replace ribombee

[obtuse prawn]

https://pokepast.es/d731ebea31d404c7
My sableye-m stall

can anyone rate please

Gen 7 btw

[mossy kelp]

a full stall team

incredible

i think its ok

[tropic schooner]

https://pokepast.es/48c80ab011147006

@orchid tiger

[orchid tiger]

I feel like I’ve seen this team somewhere

[tropic schooner]

i have sent it here before, just dropped for a rate after some testing

[mossy kelp]

@orchid tiger

[orchid tiger]

I think I would prefer making this skarm > buzz cause spikes stall hit different

[tropic schooner]

i did consider skarm>buzz but my issue was urshifu

[orchid tiger]

Shifu mu hmm

Also make this reuni slifhtly faster then pex don’t forget that

[mossy kelp]

?

[leaden fiber]

https://pokepast.es/f5ca528508e8d065

oras ou

@azure torrent

@woeful pumice u rate every tier right....

[mossy kelp]

@woeful pumice u rate every tier right...

[brave pilot]

Im not people you were looking for

But i think i can help just as much

So first, i think you could replace hurricane with air slash

If tornadus gets it

[upper plume]

Doesn't torn always run cane?

For its power

[brave pilot]

What is the point of power if you cant hit anything

[upper plume]

So that when you do hit you actually threaten damage

It's why pokes run focus Blast over hp fighting

[brave pilot]

And about acrobatics. That could be replaced with brave bird

[leaden fiber]

you

[brave pilot]

Since i thing gale wings were updated in gen 7

[leaden fiber]

dont know what you're talking about im ngl

[brave pilot]

I mean touché

Wait i forgot this is oras

Yea hurricane would do you better

This is the rain era

[leaden fiber]

what...? u dont run air slash torn ever

no

there is barely any rain in oras

[upper plume]

More rain in sm than oras

[leaden fiber]

rain era is bw. where torn-t is banned

[brave pilot]

Ngl i used that mon few times, and used air slash

[tropic schooner]

then u

used it wrong

[leaden fiber]

you dont know what ur talking about yeah

[brave pilot]

Really? I know i heard people talk about this being the rain gen. And kinda seeing more rain teams here then in seven

[leaden fiber]

yes, sm rain is a pretty decent archetype

oras rain is nearly nonexistent

[brave pilot]

Huh

[upper plume]

a) ladder isn't representative of the metagame
b) pelipper was given drizzle in gen 7 and made it viable
c) gen 5 is the weather generation what

[brave pilot]

I know people used to run regulary

[tropic schooner]

this is like the only gen where you dont pair manaphy with rain

[brave pilot]

Right i forgot about peliper

[tropic schooner]

in prev gens its ubers and you pair it with kyogre

in later gens and nd you just use it on rain

[brave pilot]

Gen 5?

[leaden fiber]

gen 5 has perma weather

[tropic schooner]

that shows how non existent rain is

[leaden fiber]

its the weather war tier

[brave pilot]

Belive it or not, this is kinda my first time hearing someone say gen 5 is a weather gen

[leaden fiber]

you

have never played gen 5

[brave pilot]

Oh no i did

But i barely saw any weather teams

[leaden fiber]

Okay if you did then it was about 8 years ago

[upper plume]

search up gen 5 ou samples and tell me what the categories are

[tropic schooner]

tldr

the team categories are sand rain and no weather

[leaden fiber]

^^

[tropic schooner]

thats how they classify the teams

[lunar idol]

https://pokepast.es/b3d28d869ae45eec gen 5 ou

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @astral thistle, @dull socket, @short hedge, @surreal crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

non lefties keld doesn't fit on sand teams

you also are gonna want a keldeo check

be it latios, celebi, jellicent, latias, etc.

also cb kyurem is questionable on sand teams, and you might want to run a defensive landorus-therian set

[lunar idol]

so should i replace kyu for scarf lati

or lefties starmie over keld maybe?

[upper plume]

would def go scarf latios over kyurem black

[lunar idol]

okie thank you

[upper plume]

keld is fine, just run leftovers on it

[lunar idol]

okie

what should the latis third move be?

[upper plume]

the smogon dex recommends protect > hydro on lefties keld which is fine

[upper plume]

what are your first two moves?

[lunar idol]

draco and dp

[upper plume]

last 2 are usually surf and trick

[leaden fiber]

whats this, dpp?

[lunar idol]

would ice beam be cool?

[upper plume]

that's what scarf latios runs in dpp

[lunar idol]

helps it check lando

[leaden fiber]

thats what specs tios runs in dpp

scarf tios runs tbolt

[upper plume]

*bw

[leaden fiber]

oh

oke

[upper plume]

latios isn't even in ou

in dpp

[lunar idol]

isnt lati ubers

[leaden fiber]

simply use scarf tias and run hwish like a chad

yeah i meant tias

[upper plume]

I mean it could work but surf does the job and you aren't walled by steels now

[lunar idol]

oh ya fair

[leaden fiber]

ice hits nothing relevant super effectively that draco doesnt

[upper plume]

or surf

[leaden fiber]

minus like

celebi

[lunar idol]

i mean a lati draco is just a nuke

[upper plume]

yeah pmuch

[lunar idol]

it was the same reason with kyurem

[leaden fiber]

ye but all the things that ice hits for coverage just get hit by draco (dragon types that ddance)

[lunar idol]

if it can hit a outrage what is living that. of if so isnt broken

[leaden fiber]

or like based salac chomp

[upper plume]

problem w/ kyurem on this team is that you aren't supporting it w/ hazard removal

weak to stealth rock

takes sand damage since it's banded

[lunar idol]

fair

[upper plume]

kyurem can do work on rain

because it gets that support

and then dragmag supports it by removing steels

[lunar idol]

ya

ngl i dont get why hp electric keldeo isnt a thing

[upper plume]

I think grass is used to hit gastrodon

[leaden fiber]

elec hits who

grass hits jelli and gastro

elec hits like gyarados?

[lunar idol]

ya but like isnt that also what grass knot thundy for

skarm

[leaden fiber]

ur a keldeo

u roast skarm

[leaden fiber]

ppl know not to switch gastro into thundy except to pivot really

[upper plume]

basically choiced keldeo doesn't care about skarmory

spdef skarm can't handle scalds either

[lunar idol]

im talking about a sand team

[leaden fiber]

no keldeo should care about skarmory

[lunar idol]

so lefties keld

[leaden fiber]

even spdef skarm gets eaten alive

at worst u burn it

[lunar idol]

and tbf elec also hits jelli

but idk i played a lot of hp elec suicune in gen 4 and i liked it so maybe it is like dumb on keldeo

[upper plume]

they're not gonna immediately send out skarm vs keldeo

[leaden fiber]

cune wants hp elec to hit gyara in dpp

[upper plume]

you have a reun and a scizor that they need to save skarm for

[leaden fiber]

and scald doesnt exist in dpp to punish every physical attacker ever

[upper plume]

and also many skarm run rocky helmet so it doesn't get residual healing

[lunar idol]

fair

[leaden fiber]

ye two timid keld scalds will kill skarm after rocks n burn

even if its 252+

[lunar idol]

ok heres the upgraded team https://pokepast.es/f214595cb2dd59c1 lookin better?

forgot to make lando def

[upper plume]

Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Def / 252 Spe
IVs: 30 Spe
Naive Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Hidden Power Ice```
This is the standard defensive lando set

[lunar idol]

i meant giving it evs in def

making it more of a pivot

[upper plume]

that's what this set does

145 atk means you can just not invest into it and it'll still hit hard

[lunar idol]

thats a good point

[upper plume]

Jolly Garchomp: 359 attack
Jolly Excadrill: 369 attack
Defensive Landorus: 325 attack

pretty close to being as strong

[lunar idol]

ah

[dry bay]

Yeah It's aight.

[rain pine]

https://pokepast.es/015e0e8583857fb8

My SS OU regenerator core

holds its own as you can see

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1785881768-jpp9z7bssf45mbxv5q5ah3oiphy4xs3pw

even against legends

[opal beacon]

team weak to kyurem

but then again'kyurem shits on stall

[obtuse prawn]

lol yes

[obtuse prawn]

if i replace ditto with unaware clefable with wish pass?

cause i need wish and cleric

[opal beacon]

its most;y z kyurem

[obtuse prawn]

Oh

[opal beacon]

so again a nice Z will kill it

[obtuse prawn]

yea true

[opal beacon]

z freeze shock killls

[obtuse prawn]

yep

unless i predict and go pex

[opal beacon]

tho kyurem it not very common

[obtuse prawn]

yeah

[opal beacon]

and unless they predict u

[obtuse prawn]

yea

so like

in the end ditto or clef?

[opal beacon]

i think the ditto is good

[obtuse prawn]

okay

[opal beacon]

u know what go ditto

it helps

[obtuse prawn]

Cool

thanks

[opal beacon]

np

[opal beacon]

if u face a prblm with a particular mon ping me

[obtuse prawn]

alright tysm :)

if you're into stall you can try this team out too

[opal beacon]

I hate stall with a apassion

lol so I prolly wont

[obtuse prawn]

lmao okay

[dry bay]

👀 u sure?

[dry bay]

Yeah u truly hate stall

[opal beacon]

ye every one uses the gren version xtra HO is not very common

[rain pine]

?

[night eagle]

https://pokepast.es/971fd0681d0b4d2

Should I use this

For sm ou

I just started

[brave pilot]

I think this is a team with a questionable idea that was executed perfectly

Like i wanted to say that you had only 1 mon who could swap out, but you have few and 3 mons with regenerator

So i think its a good team

[brave pilot]

There isnt a team here

[night eagle]

Oh what

https://pokepast.es/4d848b9212bd5f69

[brave pilot]

Ok now it shows the mons

Ok i think this team is good

[night eagle]

Maybe clefable for quagsire

[brave pilot]

But this could be cuz of my bias twoards mega sableye and quagsire

[brave pilot]

Definately

And maybe another bulky mon for avalug, but this is just nit picking

[night eagle]

Which set

For clefable

Cosmic power ?

[brave pilot]

I found a one

Stealth rock
Thubder wave/ calm mind
Moonblast
Soft boiled

This one was from smogon website

[night eagle]

I already have a rocker on me

Actually 2 rockers

On me already

[brave pilot]

Here is another
calm mind/ heal bell
Moonblast
Protect
Wish

And unaware for ability

[night eagle]

Alright

[brave pilot]

Again found on smogon

[raw hornet]

Is my team good? SMOU https://pokepast.es/2380208fb93e56cf

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[raw hornet]

Hey stop notify people

[brave pilot]

Damm why cant i be notified

[raw hornet]

I don't know

[brave pilot]

Ok well ill just see something real quick and tgen rate your team

[raw hornet]

Okay

[brave pilot]

Yea this is a pretty good team

I was confused for a second since i didnt saw focus blast to reunaclus, but you gave it fighting z crystal

Other then that yea i would say its a good team

[upper plume]

Should've applied on the forums

[brave pilot]

Touché

[obtuse prawn]

@opal beacon how do i deal with rotom-w with pain split?

and also gliscor swords dance facade and earthquake

anyone can answer actually

https://pokepast.es/d731ebea31d404c7

this is my team

can u tell me how to deal with the above two

[brave pilot]

Replace ditto with a tinkaton who has mold breaked with earthquake and ice hammer

That kills woth of your worries

[junior obsidian]

??? You trolling

Thats gen 7

[tropic schooner]

easiest way is just running a standard shedinja stall

[opal beacon]

u will have to just poison it

[obtuse prawn]

bro its gen 7

[opal beacon]

and then use giga drain

[brave pilot]

Oh right

[opal beacon]

[obtuse prawn]

yea but it keeps pain splitting my fat mons so it never loses health and then volts out

[tropic schooner]

or you can run the mega aggron stall from the samples

both deal with it

[obtuse prawn]

the main reason is not to change team 🗿

[tropic schooner]

well this change is like

2 mons

[brave pilot]

Well then haxorus with earthquage and any ice move

[opal beacon]

.

no one uses haxorus

in ou

[opal beacon]

gliscor is a bit tough

[brave pilot]

Touché

[opal beacon]

maybe run hp ice instead

it still lives

[obtuse prawn]

yea

[opal beacon]

gliscor is one of the few mons that shits on stall as well

[obtuse prawn]

yea

true

[opal beacon]

since it cant be poisoned or anything

shedninja stall loses to shed too

[obtuse prawn]

Yes

[opal beacon]

u only beat gliscor by running semi stall

with weavile

[obtuse prawn]

quagsire is a good counter

[obtuse prawn]

yea

weavile is good

but only replacement is ditto

[tropic schooner]

skarmory is the main counter to sd glis

[obtuse prawn]

yeah but what to replace wit

i guess its alright

since sd gliscor is not that famous

[opal beacon]

ye

[obtuse prawn]

i think my only chance with my current team is to get it like to 70% somehow and go ditto to facade

[opal beacon]

its not common

gliscor is hardly seen

[obtuse prawn]

yeah

only thing is last two matches i got two in a row lol

[opal beacon]

ooh

[night eagle]

U guys playing sm ou?

[night eagle]

Did u use the azelf team

[obtuse prawn]

should i just swap ditto wit clef at this point

[opal beacon]

yea

it was me

[night eagle]

Azelf + mega pinsir

[obtuse prawn]

too lazy to learn about gen 9

[night eagle]

Ye I was against u

I just started today

[opal beacon]

ye

[opal beacon]

ik

[opal beacon]

aah

[night eagle]

Give pvp guides

I mean

[opal beacon]

pvp?

[night eagle]

Competetive Pokémon guides

I’m practicing with mega lop semi stall

[opal beacon]

ooh um just ladder more and play games

u will learn stuff on ur own

[night eagle]

im familiar with the mechanics now

[opal beacon]

what do u seeketh then?

[night eagle]

improvement

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen7ou-1786104673

[opal beacon]

semi stall vs stall

I would just click x and go next

[night eagle]

i already fought this guy

my reuni beats his team

[obtuse prawn]

im in a class and playing 💀

this is very annoying

[opal beacon]

isnt everyone?

[obtuse prawn]

its hard to focus :(

lol he knocked out my

scarf

another weakness

lol

[night eagle]

he got 6-0s again

ez

[obtuse prawn]

testing teams is real pain bruh

wait wtf

arent u the opponent

[night eagle]

oh ur my opponent

just forfeit then riggt

[obtuse prawn]

yea

loll

[night eagle]

damn

[obtuse prawn]

ur reuni

beats my team

6-0

[night eagle]

yes

[obtuse prawn]

L

[night eagle]

u got 6-0d twice by reuni

apparently

[obtuse prawn]

Yes

[night eagle]

u need to find solution for thst

[obtuse prawn]

il swap from ditt to

clef unaware

[night eagle]

that would help ig

[obtuse prawn]

yeah

u know what it would turn into after i make that

i didnt realize but

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/regenerator-stall-high-elo-suitable-for-olt.3652713/

bruh moment

ah yes this clef helps

The opposing Victini used Glaciate!
It's super effective!
(Gliscor lost 88.9% of its health!)

Gliscor fainted

bro this is lower elo problem

what the fuck 💀

[night eagle]

lol

[opal beacon]

ye low elo

wont find it above 1500s

prolly

its always scarf/ band (rare) / z

[raw hornet]

Is paraspam good in SM OU??

[night eagle]

whats paraspan

paraspam

paralyse or psy spam ?

[obtuse prawn]

Yes

[opal beacon]

u mean twave spam?

not every team has it

its usally rotom and ferro and electric mons

and glare another kind

[raw hornet]

No but like a team build around twave spam

With pretty slow pokemon

Or fast pokemon that get out speed by another pokemon

Like diancie mega getting out sped by greninja

[night eagle]

Wanna play some games

[raw hornet]

Things like that

[night eagle]

Mega Diancie doesent stay in on gren

Gren gets water shuriken priority

[raw hornet]

This was just an example

[night eagle]

Even if u twave it

[opal beacon]

naah nothing like that

no t wave spam teams

that I am aware of

[opal beacon]

umm no sry I can later tho

[night eagle]

Alright

I made it to ladder

First day in

Ez

[raw hornet]

What tier?

[night eagle]

Phew

U built that team ?

Semi tr

[opal beacon]

no

I am learning to use it tho

[night eagle]

Stolen ?

[opal beacon]

paras fked me up

no

friend gave me

idk if he stole it tho

[night eagle]

I see

Who’s the friend

[night eagle]

Wanna play some games

Rn

If your available

[opal beacon]

naah I am laddering if we meet there then cool

[night eagle]

Alright

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mossy kelp]

https://pokepast.es/a3761090b2947302 gen 8 OU

[raw hornet]

SM OU anyone to rate my team and see if there's changes to do? https://pokepast.es/502e4d997c077bdd

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @obtuse prairie. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mossy kelp]

garchomp out for dragapult?

[tribal smelt]

SwSh OU

Reworked an old blimax semistall to modern, I feel like it can be improved by swapping out some mons to make the flow chart a bit better or changing sets.
https://pokepast.es/4f66cd7f1eab4bbd

Original team: https://pokepast.es/ab9bd98314388691

[tropic schooner]

oh i meant

zwole>sciz

id keep bliss ehre

here

[tribal smelt]

That checks out too actually

I would still like a Steel hmm...

[tropic schooner]

you can just go molt>torn if you want a fairy resist

[tribal smelt]

And gives me a weird Kartana check

I like it

https://pokepast.es/5402e1f15065afcf

Team becomes this instead

Not having haze might be awkward..? But unless Regi spikes becomes a thing again it feels like you are having a playable spread

Zapdos is also a bit awkward with Twave bliss but Eh.

Gives you speed creep

[mossy kelp]

https://pokepast.es/a3761090b2947302 gen 8 OU

[karmic geyser]

New Old Gen OU RMT @azure torrent, @orchid tiger, @hasty ingot, @rugged hinge, @grizzled harness. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mossy kelp]

garchomp out for dragapult? and what can i change?

[dry bay]

Lmfao u rlly hate stalls isn't? 🤣 Make kyurem icium Z Freeze Shock. Otherwise, looks fine ig. Volc matchup will be concerning, but ig u will be fine with Koko.

[gritty scaffold]

Ppl on their way to speedrun on a stall opponent

[dry bay]

yea

imagine KB, Serp, MDia, and Gliscor all in one team vs stall

[leaden fiber]

@obtuse prairie https://pokepast.es/12576248775efaf3

okay general thoughts:
I'm dropping zhb on mmedi and using gren to lure the pex/mvenu/whatever that medi needs zhb to hit, cuz bp on medi is scary as balls

cbtar mmedi is just dopamine LOL

mage/torn are just pivots

chomp is offensive rocker w/o using a teamslot or being shitmon boom lando

that denies fog pretty well

[obtuse prairie]

does orb draco even kill torn

[leaden fiber]

... no

u do like

65

its torn

two dracos is a kill though

most of the time

[leaden fiber]

but ya, any tips..?

[dry bay]

can I steal this? 🤣

[leaden fiber]

Go ahead

[dry bay]

Thanks

[dry bay]

btw how do you deal fini?

Oh wait u hab gren

aihg

[leaden fiber]

I bait it or go mage and pivot

[dry bay]

yea yea ic

[dry bay]

May I ask why u hab Minus speed nature yet u still hab 36 evs to invest on Mag?

[leaden fiber]

yeah no clue

oh

cuz normally av mage has ihead

[dry bay]

U can run calm

Yea

[leaden fiber]

but yeah lower attack here

but i did ice>iron head

[dry bay]

Well Ice better for me

Yeah u can do calm Mag

[night eagle]

It’s for

I think speed draw or outspeed clefable

But that is when u run iron head

[woeful pumice]

Lucario and mienshao are very bad

And starmie

[woeful pumice]

I would suggest you don't give advice on stuff u don't know about

[somber hill]

https://pokepast.es/4d8a906c30fb6c74 any suggestions?

[dry bay]

If u want to run TR in SM OU, Magearna is the best so Gastro < Z Magearna. Also Sableye-Mega is more exclusive on Stalls and Semi-Stalls, so replace it with MCamel or MMawile. U can also do Uxie with rocks and TR for Slowking. Lastly, crawdaunt or AloMarowak for Porygon2 will give u more offensive options.

https://pokepast.es/70b0e9539dd08e21 @obtuse prairie just saw this on ladder. Where I can fit defog here? Maybe remove Ditto?

[somber hill]

thanks

[obtuse prairie]

speed control is a little worrying too

[leaden fiber]

ya thats why i have double prio medi

[obtuse prairie]

probably fog glis or smth over the koko

[leaden fiber]

But ye i think I could use a scarfer

Not sure where to fit it

scarf rocks lando > chomp maybe

[obtuse prairie]

scarf rocks kind of sucks

[leaden fiber]

yeah

i agree

[obtuse prairie]

i was thinking maybe scarfer like kart over ttar

[leaden fiber]

Hmm

[obtuse prairie]

idt you can get ttar and gren to work at the same time here

[leaden fiber]

Do i need suit support for mlati or no?

[dry bay]

Yeah since pursuit trapping isn't so beneficial to you ig

[leaden fiber]

how well does mtias eat mmedi ice anyways

[obtuse prairie]

i believe its rolls to do half

draco chomp can also catch it offhandedly if you get stuff right but not solid

[leaden fiber]

ye

But I can’t rly afford switching into like

gliscor repeatedly ig

[dry bay]

Yeah I lost to gliscor earlier

I mean the +2 Facade

And Eqs

[leaden fiber]

@winter drift

[winter drift]

Not of a fan of medi not being able to hit mons like pex or venu here. I’d rather use smth like dig z over psy z because it gives me a chance to still hit pex as well hit other threats like magearna and heatran which your ninja set does nothing towards to.

[leaden fiber]

i hydro tran

but like

the entire point is gren freeing up mmedi to bp

[winter drift]

Your set isn’t hydro :0

[leaden fiber]

cuz bp mmedi is broken

oh

nvm

yeah z dig makes more sense

[winter drift]

You’re already accounting for pex as well here

Since you have other mons to hit it like chomp and ttar

[leaden fiber]

Ye

Wait so should i just make it dig

?

[dry bay]

There are also rare payapa Pex

Lmfao my opponent earlier has Payapa pex

I tot I rlly got him

[leaden fiber]

thats

ss tech

[dry bay]

yeah idk why it has it

[winter drift]

I’d try it out for yourself to see if you like it, I just believe you have the tools to deal with pex already. It’s wiser to be able to deal with other threats like magearna/tran than pex with your team.

[dry bay]

Even Mag can deal pex iirc

Chipping game

[winter drift]

It isn’t tbolt set

But it is volt which helps

Toxic immunity as well

[dry bay]

@winter drift rate this too. Idk where to fit fog here

[leaden fiber]

I think just making it dig is fine and like kaede said ill try scarfkart over tar

[winter drift]

You gave yourself the answer right there :0

There are several ways to kinda fix around this team imo

[dry bay]

Yeah I planned to remove ditto too, or make scor fog

[winter drift]

One way to fit defog here is simply add torn t over ditto to help with speed control.

[dry bay]

Also btw did u have any MPins HO aside from samples?

[dry bay]

ic ic then keep koko set?

[winter drift]

I like running special koko over physical tbh, I find physical lackluster vs mons like ferro/tang

[dry bay]

specs koko maybe?

[winter drift]

Then again it doesn’t really hit those two to begin with tbh

[dry bay]

Yea

haha

[night eagle]

Anybody got a mega latias fat

Team

I could have

[winter drift]

Specs sounds cool, you could also shuca here to lure landos as well which I think is nice also.

[night eagle]

https://pokepast.es/b6edb1a067d5939a

Something like this I suppose

[dry bay]

https://pokepast.es/8770bf3e6a6f5671

@night eagle

[winter drift]

Another way to go about this is you could potentially replace gliscor and do the torn t + lando t core with it having sr lefties set or scarf sr set while ferro can now fit spikes for a more hazard stack team sort of deal.

[night eagle]

Does clefable get recoil from life orb ?

[dry bay]

no

[night eagle]

Damn

[dry bay]

I'm not used to SR Scarfed lando but i'll try maybe

[winter drift]

It’s nb, I prefer lefties sr overall but scarf has helped me vs mons like kart for sure.

[dry bay]

Lefties SR than RH?

Well, there's RH on Torn

[night eagle]

Rocky helmet serp

[winter drift]

I think you could also potentially free up knock on scizor and could run like u turn for or even superpower to hit tran better

That’s a big weakness we have actually

Tran ;;

Outside of gliscor recovery it can be kinda annoying here

[dry bay]

Ah yea. I don't rlly like U-turn SD on MSciz tho

So yeah Superpower will make sense

[winter drift]

Ig we could also like

[dry bay]

Wait a min

shud I keep payapa pex?

[winter drift]

Mhmmmmm not sure, I like it to kinda stop set up with haze and in general pex is also good.

I’m ngl I did think we could rotom-wash a bit but not too sure

[dry bay]

I love Rotom-Wash as water tank

[upper plume]

This 100%

[dry bay]

hmm

Most of my teams use Washtom than fini

[upper plume]

Oh they left the server

Fine

[dry bay]

HAHA

https://pokepast.es/def8d4d093a9728b

@winter drift maybe we should make lando scarf. Then give back SR on Ferro