NatDex Other Tiers

[pallid oriole]

looks good. id personally go with overheat for groudon over rock tomb, but the team looks good

[random wadi]

wanted rock tomb for ho-oh

[pallid oriole]

actually thats fair, ho-oh is quite annoying

[random wadi]

btw is this good agaisnt HO?

[pallid oriole]

tbh i think it struggles a little bit against webs. matchup is still absolutely doable tho i think

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/e64314de4fbae4d2

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @atomic salmon, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @low ruin, @runic sage. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mental jay]

https://pokepast.es/c4191fc0d21c9b3f would this team be any good?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upbeat beacon]

I see (with the exception of Dracovish) that you are using singles sets. In doubles, most mons (unless there are restricted by their items or not bulky enough) usually have the move Protect. Most of the mons on your teams are still usable. I personally would not use Sneasler without good reason and certainly would not use Vikavolt. The latter is not bulky enough for a slow mon, and your team doesn't have Trick Room, either. Well, what I could recommend for you is that since you already have Scizor and Dracovish, you could try out a Rain team instead. You could exchange Raging Bolt for Archaludon and Sneasler for Chien-Pao. Of course, you'll need the weather setters as well, so you could use either politoed or pelipper; I don't recommend using both since they're both pretty weak mons. If this isn't the direction you want your team to go, then feel free to let me know. We can work something out.

[mental jay]

tysm for the suggestions

honestly though its funny to hit someone with a bug type with a 427 spatk

[mental jay]

although vikavolt is a honest to god bad mon what would be a good trick room team for it?

[upbeat beacon]

My honest answer is that there is none because tail glow xurkitree is more valuable to such a team.

[mental jay]

lmao true

[atomic salmon]

Don’t really like setup spam fairy without klefki, would add in klefki over enamorus and just sacrifice the ground mu it’s already shit regardless

[jovial osprey]

any1 got sum monofighting teams?

[distant hearth]

This isn't the place to ask for teams, you'd have better luck asking in the NDM PS room or the NDM server

[cobalt latch]

https://pokepast.es/0939c8bdaea18ec4 rate the trick room team pls

[solemn zodiac]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upbeat beacon]

i'll rate it in an hour or so. busy day.

[upbeat beacon]

There's a lot of mons in the Nat Dex level that outclass mons in your team. Mega Gardevoir is currently the number one E-force user. Mons like Tapu Fini, Landorus(-T), and Ursaluna(-B) all directly outclasses Primarina and Garchomp, respectively. p2 is fine, but it is in the lower hierarchy in terms of trick room setters. Personally, I would use Diancie instead cause it resists and threatens Mega Salamence. This is probably how I will recreate your team: https://pokepast.es/a96a5b55247b2680.

[frigid sentinel]

Natdex ubers:https://psim.us/t/1530057-ain6abql00750onirpsj

[rocky granite]

What use does that Covert Cloak have for NDM?

number 2, Defensive Dragon Dance NDM is a bad set in general since it'd break through just about nothing, thus just use this set https://pokepast.es/0ff3612d591a33af

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rocky granite]

3. Zygarde should be 252 Defense instead of 252 attack.

since it's a coil set

[frigid sentinel]

oh mb i really just picked a build off of smogon website thx

[random wadi]

I feel like once grade is gone your team get brutlized by banded marsh, while shadow sneak of your own marsh might be decent it the team can still be chipped down

[solemn zodiac]

ngl i dont get why this is ekiller

if you really wanted to keep ndm for some reason id rather make it hooh

at least that gives u defog

if this was a realer team id also make marsh band and nuke ndm for like darkceus or something

[frigid sentinel]

your so right...😭

[frigid sentinel]

https://psim.us/t/1487840

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

Tera Dark would benefit Yveltal way more here than Tera Flying, Necrozma-DW is unviable, and Giratina-O is out of place as this is clearly hyper offense
In particular you're lacking a lead, and while Sticky Web ones are the most viable, such path would demand some more changes to the team, so for simplicity purposes I'd recommend Deoxys-S for this team (replacing Giratina-O), and from there you'd want to use Arceus over Necrozma-DW, filling the role of Speed control and easing the Sticky Web matchup

Here's the team with the above changes (https://pokepast.es/2ebaa1afa29c0f6d), I hope it helps!

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/50838ff9c995c8bc How is this team that I somehow got to 1538 ELO with an Alt account

Made the team as a joke

[distant hearth]

Chansey and Dondozo are out of place and Lugia is unviable, so at that point I would recommend to just use a sample team so you may get more familiarized with the metagame
Curse + Body Slam Chansey is also cursed in general

[rocky granite]

Cool

Still funny how I managed to ladder the team into 1538 tho

[frigid sentinel]

k thx👍

[wheat gulch]

pretty new to this metagame

https://pokepast.es/bad15fd6d9cd1f01

nat dex ubers

[wheat gulch]

ok actually I moved 8 Defense EVs on Ho-Oh to Speed

[random wadi]

to be honest that's actually pretty decent for a starter, I don't see glaring issues although I would recommend you try lo marsh, cb is totally fine but lo gives you more flexibility in exchange of power, to be fair idk about how is the usability of etern on this kind of team so I'd leave that to an expert although I would prefer cm Pgore instead of it

wait.. now that I noticed your team doesn't have an effecient way for hooh other then the one-time useful metoar beam, would recommand trying rock tomb on either Pdon or marsh if you see yourself struggling with it (to be fair you have garde but no one is switching ho-oh on it)

[mental jay]

what do yall think of this team on nat dex doubles? (ive swept multiple teams with barbaracle of all mons) https://pokepast.es/382084a55730dba4

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upbeat beacon]

You are using singles sets instead of doubles sets, so I suggest making corrections based on that first.

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/c97a07f39b26fd78

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid oriole]

looks pretty good. few minor things

first of all, why does mola have evs in attack?

second of all, and this might just be me, but I don't think tera blast ground is neccesary. ive been told that you mainly use it if you have a bad matchup against pdon, something your team does pretty well against, and while thats probably an oversimplification of things, close combat should be more than enough with how many options you have to chip groudon, and the other thigns you use it for you also do well enough into i think

also i think you'd probably want the 140+ defensive spread on groudon here.

[distant hearth]

From what I recall 8 Atk EVs on Alomomola ensures that it can break Tera Ground Zyg's Substitute

8 Atk Alomomola Flip Turn vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Tera Ground Zygarde: 90-108 (25 - 30%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

[random wadi]

like the person down said, and to be honest it's a preference thing, I wanted to try out tera blast on zacian JUST so don't get walled by opposing grouden on a sweep and a ground coverage is always good

although I feel like the team feels generally slow except for zac

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/e79d44d8e4753176

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @atomic salmon, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @low ruin, @runic sage. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid sentinel]

https://psim.us/t/1498368 nat dex ubers

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dry ridge]

Hey @burnt radish, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldex team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059714627384115290 instead.

[random wadi]

no offense, none of your mons are viable at all (even ray and deoxys aren't even good) I recommand checking the samples

[solemn zodiac]

ray and deo-a are fine ❓

well obviously not on this team but like

they arent unviable

[random wadi]

ok I exaggerated about those two but on the vr they're meh at best, deoxy-a is a sure choice but ray is just not good

[solemn zodiac]

its not that bad

band ray preys on fez teams

i ran it in tour it works

[distant hearth]

Ray is quite meta relevant indeed, but I'd also agree on the team being unfixable as it's well beyond the stage of requiring a revamp to the point of just making a whole team from scratch, so just using sample teams to get more familiarized would be ideal

[random wadi]

to be fair I have played for a while and BARELY ever seen it

[distant hearth]

The ladder is quite a meme in itself, so the meta trends at high level play tend to have minimal correlation

[random wadi]

someone really used a full team of FEAR mons in it, got sweeped with rocks and ES arc

[frigid sentinel]

😭

Is their any way I can fit azurmill, deoxys-a, and ray on a team?

[random wadi]

that two latter is a maybe but azur is just not possible (at least to my knowledge)

[random wadi]

oh yeah forget to ask, natdex ubers experts does any have a team with m-salam in it? I want try the mon out but idk what team it would fit in

[rocky granite]

you'd fit in hyper offense, with it becoming quite a bit less replacable with it's VR rise

[random wadi]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexubers-2549032028-5m2xkgvlr5bv0om55h0yrdeicn2nunqpw I admit I kinda won by luck at last but my god was this a tough one, I hate trickroom

@pallid oriole need your insight here if you don't mind

[rocky granite]

replays that make me feel good

[random wadi]

I feel like I really should've preserved my arc to taunt thier trickrooms

[pallid oriole]

cresselia usually carries mental herb. another thing is that i think you're generally better off using tarrows than glare, especialy since i think the primals often carry spout/eruption on tr

[random wadi]

to be honest no matter what Ik I cannot ohko it so I want to glare to have a chance to hax it

[frigid sentinel]

https://psim.us/t/1546025 Nat dex ubers trick room

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat gulch]

ferrothorn appears to not have a nature, and terapagos has a neutral nature

[frigid sentinel]

lemme fix that rq

[wheat gulch]

and also you probably wanna run 0 speed ivs if you're gonna rely on trick room

[frigid sentinel]

oh forget about that.

https://psim.us/t/1562642

[distant hearth]

Dondozo, Ferrothorn, Terapagos, and M-TTar are out of place, Trick Room teams in the tier generally have a team structure of Hatterene + Cresselia + Arceus + Calyrex-I + any of Primal Groudon, Primal Kyogre, or Melmetal, so you'd want to use something like this (https://pokepast.es/9d2d031c1f18a77d), I hope it helps

[frigid sentinel]

k thx

[thorn fjord]

https://pokepast.es/97e9d2e6bb9f0ec1 i made this for fun and for nat dex doubles

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upbeat beacon]

I wouldn't recommend using four mega potentials (even though only one of them in your team has a mega stone). Also, if you're planning on having a rain setter, than you should definitely have rain abusers like archaludon, basculegion, or dracovish.

[thorn fjord]

ok! thanks for the critique!

[frigid sentinel]

https://psim.us/t/1532050 Natdex ubers

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

Urshifu is unviable and Calyrex-I is out of place (namely it's too slow to take advantage of Webs, being outsped by base 100s and above plus Yveltal), you'd want to fit Zacian-C and Yveltal, the former reduces the pressure of the team in the mid-game by offensively checking Flying-types like Yveltal and M-Salamence as well as priority users like Arceus, with its high Speed tier also granting consistency for scenarios where Sticky Web is not in the field, meanwhile Yveltal complements Chi-Yu at keeping Sticky Web up by blocking Defog with a fast Taunt while also having more longevity with Oblivion Wing. Finally, you'd want Earth Plate over Groundium Z on Arceus-Ground as to not overlap with Chi-Yu (there can only be one Z-Move per battle, and this isn't some bring 6 pick 4 format or the like for that to be considerable).

For Smeargle, you'd want to invest on Smeargle's Def instead of its HP, as largely its bulk matters more for physical multi-hit moves than virtually anything else, with that method granting it better odds to live stuff like Rayquaza's Scale Shot with Tera Steel, Smeargle also really gains consistency by running Nuzzle alongside Mortal Spin, you'd want to replace one of Spore or Stone Axe for it, and similarly the team will be weak to Substitute Zygarde if Perish Song isn't ran, so ultimately the most meta-viable set involves Nuzzle / Mortal Spin / Perish Song / Sticky Web, but if you want to matchup fish be my guest.

Here's the team with the above changes (https://pokepast.es/11da47945533f653), I hope it helps!

[frigid sentinel]

ty

why isnt urshi viable tho?

[distant hearth]

Offensive Water-types have minimal viability because of Primal Groudon shutting down their usability quite heavily (bar Primal Kyogre, naturally), which isn't helped by a trend of Dragon-types making the type rather lacking for this purpose either way, and in Urshifu's case it's outclassed by Marshadow and Pheromosa as an offensive Fighting-type

[frigid sentinel]

👍

[random wadi]

;-;

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexubers-2550933095-17li74v8kr2j58rvfxhglucfwmkg40cpw destroying another HO team (after losing to another one)

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/1c93d634f7ed58ed behold the single most unbelievably bad and wonky team ever exist

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[simple stag]

whats raichu there for

I'd put something like basc there and go more offensive

or you can replace mence since it doesn't really add anything, you already have a flying type tailwind setter

[random wadi]

another thing to handle the severe electric weakness with some actual utility

[random wadi]

to be fair I was really confused on the last spot since I wanted a mega to be it

[simple stag]

yeah I'd go basc over mence

its such a broken mon on rain

[random wadi]

what set

[simple stag]

band?

swift swim, wave crash last respects jet flip turn

[random wadi]

does raichu feel weird? I feel like it's weird but it looked to me that it fits really well

[simple stag]

it does but you can try it out and see how it does

[random wadi]

ok then

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/e180eb7ff25efa4c

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @atomic salmon, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @low ruin, @runic sage. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[burnt radish]

Can anyone give me tips for this water monotype team.Iam in a showdown server and with gyms so iam water gym leader

https://pokepast.es/80f29e608e6adf0f

[atomic salmon]

Can’t get better than that. Would just ladder now and see how it works for u. Can do toxic over d tail on hoodra if certain setup mons become a problem for the team

[atomic salmon]

Overall you just wanna utilize rain + mega pert turns effectively and keep momentum going via pivoting.

[burnt radish]

I get fucked by ogerpon wellspring
Welapring

[atomic salmon]

u have to preserve your pelipper to deal with waterpon, so keep it healthy throughout the battle til waterpon is gone

your own wellspring can as well but speed ties are always dicey

[severe agate]

https://pokepast.es/e9014825cc2e99fb
Doubles OU rain

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[severe agate]

Yeah that

I have ttar because it was the first thing that came to mind when I realized I had no way to deal with mega Charizard Y

[upbeat beacon]

If you really want to use pert, then you should high horsepower over earthquake. Rillaboom halves the damage of eq through grassy terrain. Pelipper is fine as a setter, but you should use a doubles set; take a look at the strategy dex for that. And to make the most out of Rain, you should use other Rain abusers. In this metagame, the best abusers are Basculegion, Dracovish, and Archaludon. All other mons in your team aren't ideal for a Rain team, especially Tyranitar. If you want another Rain setter, use Tornadus instead of Politoed. Having two weak setters won't help you in the long run. Most of the recommended mons should have a set ready for new players in the strategy dex. If you have further questions, feel free to ping me.

[spare idol]

https://pokepast.es/c685647a5d2f4b13

[dry ridge]

Hey @spare idol, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9nationaldexru. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[spare idol]

setup is overrated anyways

[severe agate]

Alr, thanks for the advice, I'm NGL I kinda forgot about Archaludon
Also sorry for the late answer I was asleep

[burnt radish]

https://pokepast.es/a76ab554c1c9237a any tips (i think suicune is pretty useless)

[dry ridge]

Hey @burnt radish, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldex team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059714627384115290 instead.

[boreal horizon]

https://pokepast.es/ecce996325efb846

[dry ridge]

Hey @boreal horizon, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen7vgc. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[rocky granite]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499 this is the VGC channel

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/ea6c48d847bbcc7c I feel like this is bad

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[naive niche]

https://psim.us/t/1579977-busw9sijry03ohf3afmo can someone rate mine🙏 nat dex doubles

[pallid oriole]

it looks pretty decent, what do you find it struggles with?

unec matchup isnt ideal but chien lets you rkill it at least

[upbeat beacon]

You are unfamiliar with the metagame and the doubles format in general. Most smogon doubles / vgc teams will have protect unless the mons have assault vest or one of the choice items. Take a look at National Dex Doubles resources including viability rankings and sample teams. If you have something specific in mind, let me know.

[random wadi]

to be fair I haven't tested it yet but is there any holes I'm not seeing?

[pallid oriole]

id make groudon 140+ def 120 spd for better zacian matchup

outside of that

i mean the mbeam etern matchup isnt great, but thats like basically a universal constant no matter how many checks you have and i think this team does about as well as you could expect into it

[random wadi]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexubers-2555949354-1m6k18wfh46vq2ydy5kesm4xj6r4daxpw somehow I won against someone who's 200 elos above me

[pallid oriole]

you're ceray, right?

[pallid oriole]

assuming you're ceray, good job. gammablade's a good player

[random wadi]

ye

[random wadi]

you know him?

[pallid oriole]

yea. used to frequent nduberscord, not so much now. played in a few tournaments, dont know what the last one he joined was tho

[random wadi]

just talked with him a minute, my dude is weird but meh I'm weirder

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/3bb5bbb309223c13

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @atomic salmon, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @low ruin, @runic sage. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[random wadi]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexubers-2556681744-1yy8jblgr5m2iymdalqd07op78f7f4apw really interesting team but god those crits annoyed me

[random wadi]

@pallid oriole wdyt of this

[random wadi]

I'm soo getting roosted if you're still writing 😭

[pallid oriole]

The team you fought wasn't very good. However, I will try to give some feedback on your gameplay.
-When Necrozma Ultra Bursted, I probably would have switched to Arceus Dark. However, I think staying in might have been the better play actually, because if it had Outrage, Arceus would have fallen, and you would likely need it if the Zygarde was Dragon Dance, which it was. So good job.
-Once you realised Outrage Zygarde 2HKOed you, I think you should have just hit it with Judgement, sac'd Darceus, and then swap in Kyogre once it dies. If it didn't get hurt by confusion and got a DD off, you could probably stop it with your Tera Zygarde if it didn't have Dragon Tail, which at that point I got the vibe it probably doesn't, but either way Darceus didn't do a whole lot more at that point and that Zygarde would be much easier to deal with Taunted than at +1
-Once Darceus did die, I don't think sending in Ho-Oh was the play. It gave you an opportunity to get robbed by Sacred Fire luck. I would've gone with Kyogre, who definitely lives an Outrage. Then again, they could then send in Kyurem and potentially set up on it if it doesn't get burned. Tera Electric Fusion Bolt is too strong for Tera Water Zygarde to set up on if it gets to set up first. Even if it doesn't read the Tera, there's still a chance it kills you. I think Ho-Oh might have been the play there, but I think spamming Whirlwind until Ho-Oh died or something that didn't have Dragon Dance came in would have been the better call. Once you get Tera Zygarde on the field and clicking Coil, I think you just wipe the entire team, so you can afford sacing the bird.
-Sending Kyogre out the turn Kyurem died was actually a great call, it put you in a good position even if your opponent didn't send out Cyclizar there.

[random wadi]

to be fair teams that look 'bad' or really gimmicky are the ones that scares me bc MY GOD are the sets are so random so I played save

[pallid oriole]

True
Also, and this part is quite minor, but at the end you killed Groudon anyways so I wouldn't have Tera'd Marshadow there to not show the opponent what Tera you have and potentially take them by surprise next time. If the opponent was more competent this likely wouldn't have done anything as Tera Ghost is basically always the tera type on high level (though I did get cooked by Tera Stellar in tournament the other day. Maybe that's on the rise, and not revealing the Tera type would have given you the edge? IDK) but I doubt this person knows that Tera Ghost is that common and might even think Tera Normal is the standard, something low ladder uses a lot.

[random wadi]

that move had a chance a small one of not ending it and polter had a chance of messing so I REALLY didn't want to lose to rng (I lose to it a lot)

[pallid oriole]

as a former low ladder shitter, quite a few games came down to tera normal mind games, so having your opponent think you have an option to throw them off and they have to predict it when really you don't and trick them into throwing a game by espeeding your marsh or something would be realistic

[pallid oriole]

252 Atk Choice Band Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Groudon: 123-145 (30.4 - 35.8%) -- 45.3% chance to 3HKO

spectral theif steals the boosts before it attacks

so if you're choice band thats actually +1 CB sthief against a pdon with no defense boost

wait thats

thats base groudon

252 Atk Choice Band Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Groudon-Primal: 109-130 (26.9 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

ok you still kill it

[random wadi]

stress made me forget that, although to be fair the idea of sweeping a whole team with stolen boosts doesn't get on my mind most of the time

[wheat gulch]

+1 252 Atk Choice Band Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Groudon-Primal: 165-195 (40.8 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

yeah

[random wadi]

I'm loving the team a lot tbh

[pallid oriole]

im glad

also ftr i dont think rmt is the place to get your gameplay reviewed. im happy to do so, but i think that you should probably ask me in dms, or if you want other people to be able to chime in, join the nduberscord

[random wadi]

oh ok, didn't want to bother you 😅

btw you have link to it?

[pallid oriole]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-ubers-metagame-discussion.3712168/

in this post just above the clause and banlist section

or i couldve sent you an invite link probably 🤦‍♂️

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/02923cf614153b3b calyrex-i is probably bad

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat gulch]

it's fine in tr but...

[pallid oriole]

i dont have time to review this team currently, i probably will in a few hours, if no one else has done it by then ping me in, lets say five hours so i actually remember

[pallid oriole]

yeah no, calyrex isn't really seen on webs. I've seen people use trick room calyrex-i on webs, but i don't know why and thus in what context you would use it. calyrex-i doesnt have a good enough speed tier to abuse webs.

that is

usually

i have run Choice Scarf Calyrex-I on webs, which is just fast enough to outspeed Yveltal. I came up with it as a meme, then started actually believing in it, and now I don't really know. There aren't many believers in it, but if you want to use Calyrex-I on Webs, it's probably your best bet

also it looks like your zacian and calyrex have the wrong tera types

[random wadi]

oh yeah forget about them, zac is fighting while calyrex-i should be ice or fire

[distant hearth]

Scarf Caly-I is entirely outclassed by G-Darm and Chien-Pao, neither of which should be used in Webs as the momentum sink enabled by the choice lock once walled grants a wide opportunity to remove the Webs, which is not desirable
Given that this is a flex slot, the simplest options to replace it would be Primal Kyogre or Lunala, up to preference really

[random wadi]

is eterna good for the last spot?

[distant hearth]

Eternatus can work, yes, in particular I would recommend the Meteor Beam set

[atomic salmon]

looks good prob do hp ice over psyshock on blacephalon and if z kommo-o is a pain in the ass in the long run, add encore over trick

[pallid oriole]

i wasn't saying that scarf caly was good on webs, just that this is probably his best bet of using it on webs. also to my knowlege you've never proven this statement.

i assumed he wanted to use calyrex on webs, which i probably shouldnt have done

but yeah, scarf calyrex is at best functional, you mostly use it for the funnies

[distant hearth]

The statement of Scarf Calyrex-I being outclassed? That's almost trivial to prove
Scarf Caly-I reaches raw 327 speed, which is slower than base 100s like Chi-Yu, meaning that it's not usable as speed control as it still sits in an average-at-best speed tier and is still trivial to outspeed or to use as Defog fodder as explained previously. Meanwhile Chien-Pao and G-Darm sit at much more comfortable speed tiers (the former at base 135, and the latter at a near equivalent of base 166 with Scarf), with G-Darm compensating a slightly weaker Ice STAB with better coverage and pivoting, and Chien-Pao doing even more damage while also having a much better secondary STAB and multiple priority options to wallbreak and apply offensive pressure better:

252 Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 248 HP / 20 Def Ho-Oh: 250-295 (60.2 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Gorilla Tactics Darmanitan-Galar Icicle Crash vs. 248 HP / 20 Def Ho-Oh: 235-277 (56.6 - 66.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Ice Spinner vs. 248 HP / 20 Def Ho-Oh: 262-310 (63.1 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/0b8b6b7d356752a3 How's this team that I used the wrongest moveset imaginable for Kyurem-Black, and I got to 1533 ELO with an otha name

[dry ridge]

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[solemn zodiac]

meteor beam eternatus switches in wyd

or even just offensive yveltal icl

[distant hearth]

Just use a standard Kyurem-B set (this isn't checking POgre in practice as the team is weak to Stealth Rock as is), and swap Alomomola for Fezandipiti, which'd compress as a check to special breakers while also granting more breathing room for Yveltal to Defog and even retaining a bulky pivot role to benefit the team

[rocky granite]

cool

[blazing wraith]

https://pokepast.es/db4412b8bfd49e0d What do we think of this for stall-ish team? Viable enough?

[dry ridge]

Hey @blazing wraith, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9nationaldexuu. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[distant hearth]

Celesteela is redundant with Skarmory (and doesn't fit stall either), and Slowbro is redundant with Gastrodon, additionally in stall you'd want to use Chansey over Blissey as to ease the matchup on Pecharunt, Serperior, and (slightly) M-Gardevoir.

Skarmory would want a EV spread of 244 HP / 124 Def / 44 SpD / 96 Spe (Bold nature) and Iron Defense over Spikes as to meet the following benchmarks:

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Facade (140 BP) vs. 244 HP / 124+ Def Skarmory: 123-145 (37 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) over 2 turns vs. 244 HP / 124+ Def Skarmory: 227-270 (68.3 - 81.3%) -- not a KO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Knock Off (97.5 BP) over 2 turns vs. 244 HP / 124+ Def Skarmory: 277-328 (83.4 - 98.7%) -- not a KO

+2 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 244 HP / 44 SpD Skarmory: 123-145 (37 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

124+ Def Skarmory Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 344-408 (100.8 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
124+ Def Skarmory Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ursaluna: 180-212 (44.8 - 52.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage

Iron Defense over Spikes also would be solid to reduce the anti-synergy with Spikes while also enabling Skarm to more properly check wallbreakers like Iron Boulder, Ursaluna, and Buzzwole, and you'll certainly want Shed Shell over Leftovers to not just auto-lose to any random Magnezone passing by.

The pink blob spread is suboptimal in general, it's far more notable to invest into Defense over HP as the bulk gains are far more drastic in this manner, notably enabling Chansey (swapped from Blissey as explained in the first paragraph) to not be OHKOed from Choice Band Tyranitar's Pursuit or 2HKOed from M-Gardevoir's Psyshock after Stealth Rock and basically any random U-turn / Flip Turn, I recommend a spread of 32 HP / 228 Def / 248 SpD (Calm), for the following benchmarks:

+6 252 SpA Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 32 HP / 248+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 274-324 (42.2 - 49.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+6 252 SpA Pecharunt Malignant Chain vs. 32 HP / 248+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 234-276 (36 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Gardevoir-Mega Psyshock vs. 32 HP / 228 Def Eviolite Chansey: 240-283 (36.9 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

...but just going with 8 HP / 252 Def / 248 SpD (Bold) isn't unheard of as to use Chansey as almost a mixed wall, although that's more up to preference IMO, similarly fitting Stealth Rock over Wish can be considered to reduce passivity and granting more role compression in exchange of having to manage the team's longevity more carefully, it's also possible to use SR over Heal Bell, but this'd demand to play more carefully around status spreaders.

If you went with SR on Chansey, it'd be possible to fit Spikes on Gastrodon instead, and you'd really want to fit Earthquake over Clear Smog as for staters Gastrodon is not reliably answering many setup sweepers in practice as its low Speed tier plus lack of Unaware means that it's not too hard to overwhelm as it enables a Swords Dance or Nasty Plot to be set up on the turn it switches in, and EQ enables it to annoy the Steel-types that'd otherwise bully this team, for example Aegislash right now 6-0s this, in particular it's possible to ensure an OHKO with EQ by using 12 Atk EVs, I can't comment further on the spread as it's unusual and I'm unaware of which benchmarks you're currently aiming for, but otherwise you may want to consider a spread of 248 HP / 12 Atk / 248 Def (Relaxed nature) for the following benchmarks:

252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Gastrodon: 190-225 (44.7 - 52.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Victini V-create vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Gastrodon: 168-198 (39.5 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Tough Claws Aerodactyl-Mega Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Gastrodon: 176-210 (41.4 - 49.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Superpower over 2 turns vs. 248 HP / 248+ Def Gastrodon: 337-397 (79.2 - 93.4%) -- not a KO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Gastrodon: 178-211 (41.8 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

12 Atk Gastrodon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 174-206 (51 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
12 Atk Gastrodon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 324-384 (100 - 118.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
12 Atk Gastrodon Earthquake vs. 232 HP / 4 Def Blacephalon: 308-366 (100.9 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Scald over Toxic can also be considered as to ease the matchup on physical wallbreakers like M-Aerodactyl while also applying pressure on the Grass-types it lures like M-Venusaur and Amoonguss.

The M-Sableye set is quite suboptimal as does little besides using Pain Split, the utility of Prankster + Encore and/or Disable is not something that can be exploited outside of an offense team, and the EV spread is quite weird, I would recommend a standard set of Knock Off / Will-O-Wisp / Protect / Recover, which'd let it find easily opportunities to Mega Evolve, stall turns as the opponents get worn down by status in the mid-game, and make more progress in the long term by having proper longevity with Recover while also having multiple ways to hinder the other team. EV-wise, I would recommend a spread of 248 HP / 52 Def / 208 SpD (Sassy) for the following benchmarks:

252+ Atk Zeraora Plasma Fists vs. 248 HP / 52 Def Sableye-Mega: 127-151 (41.9 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Moltres-Galar Hurricane vs. 248 HP / 208+ SpD Sableye-Mega: 111-132 (36.6 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

Toxic over Protect is also a viable option to further pressure the other team, but then note that Sableye is then often forced to be a lead to find an opportunity to Mega Evolve, which can be exploited with common anti-leads like Clefable.

Beyond that, the last 2 slots are quite limited in the current metagame for Clefable and Amoonguss, the former provides a blanket setup check with Unaware, which is crucial to not get easily overwhelmed as soon a double switch happens in favor of the opponent and a opportunity to setup with Swords Dance or Nasty Plot appears by extension, Amoonguss meanwhile is a blanket check to Fairy-types, which is important as they have some potent stallbreakers (Tapu Fini, Clefable, Enamorus, M-Gardevoir).

This is one potential permutation of the resulting team (https://pokepast.es/7c40fbf300d9ed7b), I hope it helps. If you want to get creative, the flex slot lies on the Ground-type, you can try experimenting with Quagsire or Hippowdon if you want, for example.

[blazing wraith]

First of all, thanks a lot for the detailed rate ❣ I really appreciate it !

Now, I agree with the point about Celesteela being redundant with Skarmory, especially since both end up filling similar defensive roles while also compounding the Magnezone issue.

But... I kinda love celesteela Switching fully into Skarmory with the Iron Defense + Body Press set and Shed Shell definitely seems like the better direction but Ill try to work in celesteela somehow (if it doesnt work then well I will just use skarm and make a celesteela specific team later).

Anyhow the benchmarks you listed vs Ursaluna, Bisharp, and Tyranitar are really helpful and it shows why I should change the things you suggested with skarm.

The Chansey over Blissey change also makes sense. Especially since I have been running into a problem with mainly pecharunt in the matches I played with this team. Ill try out the sets you suggested and maybe play around with it.

Gastrodon... yeah clear Smog for setup sweepers has not been treating me well. Vaporeon absolutely just demolished me 3 times with sub + calm mind, so I will probably add an unaware pokemon.

As for Mega Sableye's set, ye it was pretty awkward. I was trying to be diff, but in practice the only move worth using after mega evolving becomes knock off.

Finally, the Clefable + Amoonguss core suggestion makes sense, I’ll start testing with that structure and maybe see if I can make it work. then experiment with the Ground slot (Quagsire vs Hippowdon) depending on the team.

Thanks again for the help I’ll run some games with these changes and see how it goes! Have a lovely day

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/42cfe444e862a81d

[dry ridge]

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[glad shadow]

https://pokepast.es/7c0056c54db385d2
nat dex ubers?

https://pokepast.es/55e1d1434b793ddf

[dry ridge]

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[glad shadow]

also a nat dex monotype

[low ruin]

Hey

That arctovish gotta go tbh

Arctozolt is usually the beneficiary but u kinda already have cloyster here tbh

[distant hearth]

Celesteela's lower longevity (namely out of relying on Leech Seed for recovery) limits it to balance and bulky offense teams, it's also not unheard of in offense as Power Herb + Meteor Beam and Autotomize are good as it tends to find setup opportunities with its typing, using it on hard stall is not recommended as it's subpar over Skarmory for these purposes, its only niche is really the capability to check M-Gardevoir, not that there's many M-Garde switch-ins either way (that mon is broken NGL). I would recommend to get familiarized with standard stall before trying to deviate from it, but I wish you luck in any case

[distant hearth]

You'd want to fit an Arceus forme (either Normal or Ground) plus Chi-Yu as to keep the characteristic offensive pressure of Sticky Web structures, Web teams generally only havea single flex slot, so I would recommend picking between Mewtwo, PDon, and Etern for the "free" slot

[distant hearth]

I'm afraid that this team is just unviable, Gholdengo gets bullied by every single Defogger in the meta (Yveltal, Ho-Oh, Giratina-O), M-Blastoise is unviable as even after a Shell Smash it doesn't hit as hard as one would think for the meta, let alone struggling to find setup opportunities by being surprisingly frail and lacking offensive pressure, and choice-locked Pokemon anti-synergize with offense as their passivity once forced out grants a wide opportunity for the other team to regain momentum and remove entry hazards. I would recommend using a sample team so you may familiarize more with the metagame

[glad shadow]

pdon?

[glad shadow]

ok, ill try an ubers team for this later

[pallid oriole]

primal groudon

[glad shadow]

ah ok

i think i'll do that then

[glad shadow]

so what do i chanje vish for?

[blazing wraith]

Hmm that makes sense. Ill probably make a bulky team and use celesteela on to that one.

As for stall, I agree. I should probably play with standard nat uu stall before I dive headfirst into suboptimal (or well as compard to standard stuff) territory and use celesteela over skarm 🫡

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/d045f2f3b50d3dc7 At long last, I have decided to give Heatran a chance in ND Ubers and got to 1542 ELO with an other name

[dry ridge]

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[distant hearth]

Frankly I'm unsure on if Heatran even adds anything for the team, its niche in theory lies on checking Eternatus, PDon, and Ho-Oh, something already taken care of by Fezandipiti and the Alo-Gira-O core, so it seems like a waste of a team slot NGL

[rocky granite]

ok

[rocky granite]

any other issues with the team?

[distant hearth]

Low Kick is better than Close Combat for Marsh as then it has less issues overwhelming bulkier teams by not having PP issues while also becoming harder to revenge kill without the bulk drop caused by CC, beyond that the slot is basically a flex one, typically another wallbreaker to complement Marsh for an offensive core is ideal, in particular M-Diancie is a popular pick on Alomomola teams by directly easing the Sticky Web matchup (which this struggles with otherwise) while also compressing as a stallbreaker with the longevity granted by the fish

[rocky granite]

ok

[random wadi]

how does it check PDon without tera?

[wheat gulch]

air balloon+flash fire+toxic immunity

so if it's the sr/toxic/blades/overheat set its a hard counter

[random wadi]

rock tomb variants are not uncommon in my experience

[distant hearth]

Yeah, hence why I said "in theory", it doesn't even do much back to what it's meant to check (and thus why it's just bad)

[random wadi]

to be fair the most it can do is set up rocks and toxic anything else is useless

[limpid aurora]

Hey guys, I need help putting together a team to play a Pokémon game where anything goes in PvP. What do you think of this team? I just want you to not remove Blastoise or Primal Groudon, please. Otherwise, you can modify whatever you want, okay? (In this game, anything goes and there are Mega Evolutions from the Z-A).

This was my first version of the team:
https://pokepast.es/26f7664f728a641f

However, I recently captured a Zapdos and I'm thinking of changing the structure to accommodate it. What do you think?

It would look something like this:
https://pokepast.es/0ab96351f845e1af

Change whatever needs changing except Blastoise and Pdon.
I really like them.
This second version with Zapdos is missing a good hazard setter.
But I can't find any that fit the team.
If you think another comp would be better, just say so.
Remember, anything goes.

[dry ridge]

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[limpid aurora]

I just used NdexAAA to make the team bc is easier for me

But yall can use any mon etc etc

[distant hearth]

There's no Smogon format that aligns to this, so uh...

!arbitraryformats

[dry ridge]

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[spiral bough]

https://pokepast.es/7decd8b02604d899 random sand team for ndd (i wanted to use hone claws + iron tail/dragon rush on chomp but I could never get the hone off :/)

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upbeat beacon]

Garchomp hasn't been good in Doubles for many generations. If you still plan to use it, you really need to know what you're doing, and I've known only one... two players to have pulled it off (Eragon). Balloon is an useless item in Doubles and Diancie is a mon that always require Trick Room. A typical sand core is composed of Tyranitar (either mega or normal) and Dracovish / Dracozolt. I would recommend one or two fairy resists to add onto the core, or at least a solid plan to take care of Flutter Mane. Rest of the team should be coverage.

[spiral bough]

Why the two rockless fossils

Also ik diancie is never outspeeding anything but with AV in the sand and a diamond storm boost it’s like unkillable

[upbeat beacon]

They got Sand Rush as their ability, and they only need one move, Fishious Rend or Bolt Beak, which are strong enough to OHKO non-resistent or not too bulky mons.

[upbeat beacon]

there's plenty. dracovish, ogerpons (multiple forms), glimmora, ferrothorn, heatran, tapu fini, flutter mane, jirachi, iron hands, landorus

[spiral bough]

i've survived oger before

sucker has like 796 spD and the same-ish def

[upbeat beacon]

by before you mean a few times. diancie and ogerpons are used frequently in SV Doubles, and the numbers of times diancie win against ogerpon starting with turn 1 is zero.

[spiral bough]

i never send diancie out first though

its not that hard at my current elo to plan around my worst matchups

[jade axle]

Any improvements for the Natdex steel monotype team? https://pokepast.es/68ed78e511b18dac

[spiral bough]

https://pokepast.es/3940935717260db1 fixed the formatting

but genuinely what are your excadrill and archaludon doing

scarf toxic/thunder wave is so not right

[keen zephyr]

Those two genuinely run those sets, that's not the wrong part here

@atomic salmon can explain batter than Incan

[jade axle]

Was going to replace archaludon with either a ferrothorn or aegislash

And use ferrothorn as utility

Or aegislash as a spa

[spiral bough]

could be a me thing but this team struggles a lot with mono-electric teams

[jade axle]

Fair who would you change to stop that?

[spiral bough]

Not sure

But iron hands is such a wall

[atomic salmon]

Hi hi, what is the goal of ur steel team

[mental jay]

heres a bullshit natdoubles team that i have no clue how its working aside from moldbreaker helping hand ghold if i could have some advice on what could make it better id appreciate it https://pokepast.es/53ee70d482faf49f

[dry ridge]

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[upbeat beacon]

Mega Blastoise has a niche as a Shell Smasher, but it requires a lot of support to use. Also, Smeargle is a more of a VGC mon and usually requires Focus Sash. Due to its poor bulk, it isn't an ideal Baton Pass-er. The other four mons in your team are viable for the metagame although having both Flutter Mane and Gholdengo is somewhat awkward. Booster Energy Flutter Mane should utilize Icy Wind instead of Mystic Fire. If not, then Taunt or Calm Mind with support is fine. Ogerpon-H definitely want a Grass-type move to deal with Tapu Fini. Kingambit should have Sword Dance. Knock Off is sometimes recommended over Kowtow Cleave, but not making the change isn't a big deal. If you have further questions, you could politely ask the other two raters. Its past midnight for me.

[mental jay]

thank you so much for the advice!

[stone drift]

i made this lineup for double https://pokepast.es/d34cef3f9195a436 benching chi-yu round 1
out of these avaible mons
Blaziken Mega
Granbull
Galvantula
Bronzong
Squawkabilly
Baxcalibur
Kilowattrel
Chi-Yu
Flygon
Iron Treads

And my friend is going to make a team out of
Castform
Vileplume
Bewear
Liepard
Palossand
Walking Wake
Jolteon
Swampert Mega
Buzzwole
Vespiquen

any changes you think i should make or could do better on? first time building

[dry ridge]

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[solemn zodiac]

#1320229793270337536

[jade axle]

I just wanted as much coverage as possible and use skarmory to set up

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/4ea98db7706eab24 people I've been trying girimola core here since I rarely use any of them, and I feel it's not good, I'm struggling with cb marsh that absolutely break everything, unec is annoying and a compenation of zac-c and Pgore is really hard to deal with, should I just replace giri with ho-oh?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crimson obsidian]

you can yeah

[random wadi]

is there anything salvaging it or I just need to switch giri

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/98028e71df2e951d

[dry ridge]

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[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/0943730ad865baec feels really bad

[dry ridge]

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[atomic salmon]

did u want to build a team around ttar?? or u just put a random 6 together

[atomic salmon]

show team again

[random wadi]

to be fair just mixed up what felt right (FELT)

[atomic salmon]

i believe a while back you ask for a rock team b4 and bobsican link you the sample rock (or if it wasnt u who ask for a rock then idr lol) i would just stick to the standard rock from the sample teams

thats the best you can do rn rock is very 1 dimensional

[jade axle]

https://pokepast.es/68ed78e511b18dac

[random wadi]

my god ;-;

3 scarfers? wow

what format is even this

[atomic salmon]

Fix the paste so the format is good

[jade axle]

.

[atomic salmon]

You don’t need all those choices mons on the team and the lack of mega scizor / z gholdengo really hinders your comp

You can get away with mega less but I don’t really recommend it on steel

[jade axle]

Fair

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/d8f925040c1e3dbf How's this utter masterpiece of a team that I somehow got to 1529 ELO with an other name?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rocky granite]

And I can give proof if u want to see

[distant hearth]

Why is there a Morpeko, may I ask? Fezandipiti is also out of place for an offense team

[distant hearth]

This seems like it's trying to be both an offense team and a balance team, I would recommend to select one identity more first, as otherwise the conflicting traits don't synergize too well

[rocky granite]

Cool

[boreal escarp]

I made https://pokepast.es/c02c2b708f53390c
this team, I am new to doubles format and I want to use Marshadow with Marshadium Z and make this team. Also I think ıf Champions coming out, VGC formats really gonna look like Nat Dex Doubles ımo, What are you thinking about it?

[dry ridge]

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[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/fab1a27973c1a1e0 this feels really horrible

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[random wadi]

almost forget the tera

[distant hearth]

That's because it quite is, I'm afraid
Kyurem-W sucks as it's Ho-Oh food, Porygon2 is outclassed by Arceus, Magearna is terrible as it can't do anything to PDon and Xerneas is irrelevant as it's banned, and defensive PDon is out of place
Trick Room is also extremely unreliable as it struggles with all of the metagame but hyper offense either way. If you want to use it anyways, you can't get much better than this (https://psim.us/t/1595654)

[random wadi]

completely forget arceus exists, to be fair I wanted to try something new but eh at least I tried

[boreal escarp]

Three Nat Dex Doubles team
https://pokepast.es/2780bb1ce1d26fb1
https://pokepast.es/6115726d78d34d83
https://pokepast.es/65049eab94b78eac

[dry ridge]

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[distant hearth]

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[wheat gulch]

lmao

[upbeat beacon]

Your rain team is almost fine. I recommend having either Politoed or Pelipper with Eject Button. There is a lot of weather wars in ND Doubles, and a mon that can automatically set up a weather (at least twice) rather than manually will be more helpful in the long-run. I'm not saying that Tornadus is bad, but experienced opponents will take full advantage knowing that you **must **use Rain Dance with Tornadus if that is your only weather setter. Other mons that you can use for Rain include: Basculegion > Marshadow and Archaludon > Jirachi. I still recommend at least one mon that is resistant to Fairy-types moves. In a Rain team, ideally that is Scizor-Mega or even Nihilego.

[upbeat beacon]

Your second team needs work to be a good Tailroom team. Your Iron Hands has 0 IVs, meaning it won't outspeed Landorus during Tailwind. Second, your Tapu Fini is the only mon that is capable of taking full advantage of both Trick Room and Tailwind; I recommend to have at least one or two more. The third problem that I see is that for a *naturally *slow team, you have zero resists for Mega Mence. I recommend using Diancie > Cresselia which can also go on the offensive during Tailwind as long as you correctly EV'd for it. Jirachi is another good Trick Room setter that can take the place of Amoonguss (since it is also a redirector). Of course, you don't want to stack too much Ground weakness. Aside from Tapu Fini, other mons that are good in Tailwind structures include Mega Garde and Ursaluna-B.

[upbeat beacon]

Your third team, again, has no resistance to Mega Mence although Flutter Mane and Kyurem directly threatens it. I would say Jirachi is a lot better option than either Blastoise or Volcarona because it resists more of Kyurem's weaknesses. Incineroar would also be an effective Fake Out user thanks to its ability and moves that will allow it to lower its opponents' stats.

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/139cd442b2676134 Thoughts about this team that I built around Flygon (Morpeko genuinely has more of a niche than Flygon), and got to 1548 ELO with otha name

[dry ridge]

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[distant hearth]

Flygon is outclassed by Giratina-O, especially as this lacks the bulk to properly check stuff like PDon,

[rocky granite]

Obviously, js used it cuz

[boreal escarp]

https://pokepast.es/a80c2351d0eeef60 Is this better?

[boreal escarp]

https://pokepast.es/ed53e873704f8f57 Is this better?

[upbeat beacon]

For firepon and mence, just have them max speed. You dont want to lose in a 1v1 situation. Having mence use the ddance set is another option.

[upbeat beacon]

I would rather use incineroar over okidogi and Waterpon over blastoise.

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/f0679c6ea6dda3f6
https://pokepast.es/b52fa0513b1af2ac
I'm really torn about which one is better, also I really want taunt on fairyceus (which the defensive set is likely bad but the is built around it) feels like I eat dirt against etern and darkceus

[dry ridge]

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[pallid oriole]

id say zacian is probably better. also what are the defensive evs for fairyceus for?

[random wadi]

I wanted to go full def just to actually have a chance against mons like zyg, also wdyt about what I said

[pallid oriole]

i think this team is somewhere in the middle of the sliding scale of "gets wiped by etern" and "still gets wiped by etern" that most teams are on. running taunt is conventional wisdom but i think you could get away with toxic and twave. also i reccomend making fairyceus faster than yveltal at the very least if you run ndm. chi-yu's probably also a good benchmark.

if you're really that scared about dd zyg you could put tera fairy on your own zyg

despite what the outdated analysis will tell you, fairy and darceus usually run tera poison but i dont know if that only applies to cm fairyceus or also defensive

also owing on scarf yveltal is actually... ok not bad perse, the fourth move isnt usually clicked anyways, but you usually want to run toxic or knock off

any other fourth move is pretty situational and there's not really a consensus on the order after it, but regardless you usually get the most out of one of those two. im currently working on the new analysis for scarftal, which i should probably get on tbh

[random wadi]

ok ig btw correct if I'm wrong but 16 evs on fairyceus does outspeed 252 Pdon and Pgore?

[pallid oriole]

it does

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/5ee2d22704815c29 Thoughts about this slightly unhinged team that i got to 1536 ELO with?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid oriole]

mega absol would be so good if it didnt fucking suck ong

[rocky granite]

lol

[random wadi]

I mean the person is definitely a pro if he managed to reach 1536 with it (albeit the format is kinda of a joke format most of the time)

[rocky granite]

dat tru

i've peaked 1872 ELO in ND Ubers once

and i do hav the replay

[random wadi]

;-; I'm stuck in 1500

[distant hearth]

If you want a mixed M-Bounce breaker there's M-Diancie, which'd perform this role way better than M-Absol by having a better matchup into offense while also annoying bulky teams as well

[rocky granite]

tru

[boreal escarp]

4 Nat Dex Ubers UU (one have 2 versions)
https://pokepast.es/bf0e4ef9cfe9fd39
https://pokepast.es/c1aedaa509c7560c (V1)
https://pokepast.es/d6381a9d46b00c05 (V2)
https://pokepast.es/8a82d202fe31eb0e
https://pokepast.es/ed173898efb6a33b
(Please Ban Dawn Wings Necrozma I don't want to always put a Dark type on my team)

[dry ridge]

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[random wadi]

oh yeah forget to ask is the smogon set with more speed fine here?

kinda don't want to team to be too slow

[pallid oriole]

you probably want to at least outspeed max speed primals, most people though ev to outspeed chi-yu

[distant hearth]

@celest marlin

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/7d120e026a82ede6 Thoughts about this amazing team that I laddered to 1525 ELO wit?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid oriole]

i lack experience with screens so i can't explain exactly why this is bad, but i dont think deo s with both rocks and screens is something people usually run, neither i think is fairceus on hyper offense.

normally don't comment on the shitmon cause most mons not ranked look really bad until the user explains what they were thinking, but i will at least say that tera blast was a creative decision.

[random wadi]

why does it feel like your winning kinda depended on fish mus

[pallid oriole]

+2 252+ SpA Tera Fighting Farigiraf Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 226-267 (69.5 - 82.1%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and 1 layer of Spikes

[random wadi]

but again it's natdex ubers, people mostly lose bc they don't know what to expect from the other team soo

[random wadi]

though tera blast was to surprise dark types

still the damage kinda suck

[pallid oriole]

yeah but its also the most this mon can do to zacian

or ndm

[random wadi]

also some mons need some tera changes

[pallid oriole]

+2 252+ SpA Tera Fighting Farigiraf Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 248 HP / 120 SpD Groudon-Primal: 246-289 (61 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and 1 layer of Spikes

yeah i dont think farigiraf is strong enough to do anything

[rocky granite]

Real reason why I used Farigiraf

[random wadi]

without tera it' basically a setting duck infornt of a lot of things

[pallid oriole]

was going to say that i dont think this is the place for unserious teams, but i dont actually remember where i got it from and i can't find it written down anywhere. if anyone can confirm that this is a rule please do so, but otherwise ill continue to entertain this until told otherwise cause i dont want to shut someone down based on a halucination i had

though if you would like to make a habit of posting unserious teams in this format, it does have a discord that is i think more tolerant of shenanigans than the main smogon one

[random wadi]

I think if follows UNDER those lines but I could be wrong

[distant hearth]

Yeah, please don't ask rates for unserious teams, as any ojectivity is just thrown out of the window otherwise, thus defeating the point of even rating

!nolegends

[dry ridge]

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[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/143e417b4d6db1a7 this feels horrible

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid oriole]

you posted this team here two days ago

[random wadi]

wait I did?

[distant hearth]

This to be exact
The team does seem a bit different from last time, but most of the core issues that were brought up still remain, so just read from there for the recommendations

[random wadi]

yeah my bad

[jagged violet]

https://pokepast.es/383c942f71897d9a
may def doubles is this a good rain team or is it lacking? I tried a couple of battles and have been doing poorly into trick room, misty and psychic terrain not sure I’m playing bad or if the team is bad or Both

[dry ridge]

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[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/a17c198ce5b7c788

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

Tera Poison seems useless on Alomomola as Regen already mitigates Toxic chip nicely, I would recommend Tera Dark as to compress as a Ultra Necrozma check in a pinch, or Tera Grass to ease the Zygarde matchup, speaking of which, you may want to use Tera Fairy over Tera Water on Zyg so Dragon Tail variants of Zyg can be more properly answered

[random wadi]

ig you're right, I got swept by top 2 in ladder who had a specs eterna so I wanted to try using it

[pallid oriole]

what? tera poison is great for stall for removing tspikes

even with etern on the team, mola's longevity makes it very annoying for stall and if it removes tspikes on entry too, then thats even better

[random wadi]

is the team good tho?

[upbeat beacon]

You would want mons like basculegion and scarf dracovish to deal ton of damage. Torn (put rain damce) > thund. Manectric and grimm are mons thats will just waste your valuable Rain time limit.

[pallid oriole]

i think so yea

[random wadi]

feel like most of my teams are ghaz core + fillers

[distant hearth]

Stall is more situational and in such matchup Teraing Arc-Dark would fill the same role while also letting it stallbreak more effectively

[random wadi]

I feel like I would have some problems with cm users

[jagged violet]

Gotchu thank you

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/ebe216a4631ef68e Thoughts about this team i laddered to 1524 ELO with an otha name?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

Utility Umbrella seems useless on Fez with an entire Ferro on the back, I'd recommend to replace the item with Leftovers

[rocky granite]

ok

[tropic prism]

https://pokepast.es/0bdc2f4ff3ff85b4 exact team my egoistic fren uses, thoughts on any teams to counter this

https://pokepast.es/5e8e8047f12dfe21 This is the current team I use when going against him (im open to judgement and suggestions)

[pine current]

https://pokepast.es/77678a1d7121b7b7
I kinda suck at teambuilding and I'm pretty bad at showdown I'm at 1100 elo rn rate my Natdex doubles team (any suggestions?)

[dry ridge]

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[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/3206e2699ac22f33

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[random wadi]

wanted to test that fez+deo-a core

[distant hearth]

!cobblemon

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[random wadi]

?

[rocky granite]

Utility umbrella should probably be Fezandipiti item so you can have a good Primal Kyogre switch-in without losing HP on ur Primal Groudon

[subtle flame]

Kinda unconventional, I'm playing on emulator ROM (unbound) want to make a team around mons I got along the way that I really liked, missing 2 mons to fill (no legendary till post game)
Would appreciate tips on the ⅔ team I already made too and suggestions for filling last spots

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1610387

[dry ridge]

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[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/69c6587c561f8f74 roost this complete goofball of a team

[dry ridge]

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[random wadi]

just realized that the removal here sucks

[covert wedge]

so me kinda tried mono flying but i think main problems are kinda rain teams https://pokepast.es/6fcaa94b985e9ce8

[dry ridge]

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[low ruin]

Flying using gravity might be a little counterintuitive ; typically it doesn’t really harmonize that well but celes is annoying “ok” but

Rain type leading tornadus-t is probably the wave to just dent whatever damage / sequence they try to prepare long term also typically like thunder punch dnite is an option for water teams too in prep but I think if they have a gren u either lead enam/corvi (corvi so u can U-turn and w/e scout) but I think most times torn getting that nice position to just output damage vs being a potential rain sack is nice as dnite is imperative to get in yk to even fully win

As it’s ur water resist

U can also have more variants and test different items cb dnite also isn’t the worst too with healing wish enam vise versa u can just healing with it back up and had dnite Lead retrospectively and just have torn do something later but luckily you have healing wish enam to really give dnite a second slot rly lol

[covert wedge]

Yeah, but it feels like rain teams just don't care, and everything shreds through. With one exception for dnite. Like, for some reason, Flip Turn Barraskewda can almost kill Torn. I dont know if i want really cb dnite because usually it feels like it needs speed but still

[vague flicker]

https://pokepast.es/653fbc1e1a3be7db

[dry ridge]

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[thorn fjord]

https://pokepast.es/875b16f54be94ef2 natdex doubles, improved rain team

[dry ridge]

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[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/b05e8eca9c1542ad Thoughts about this team that i got to 1536 ELO with otha name, and the fact i wanted to give Lando-Inc a chance

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sandsear Storm vs. 248 HP / 56 SpD Ho-Oh: 335-398 (80.7 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
176+ Atk Ho-Oh Sacred Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 186-220 (58.3 - 68.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

TBH at that point I'd have to ask why use such a gimmicky Pokemon when even something like Palkia-O can compress as a special breaker that can annoy Ho-Oh without requiring a turn to setup and having proper bulk for neutral matchups, or Mewtwo to actually setup while pressuring more opponents with its colorful coverage and better speed tier
Lando-I being deceptively frail for Uber standards also makes it unreliable as a hazard setter, especially as the hazard removers can just overwhelm this on the spot as alluded previously

[wheat gulch]

I saw the calc before the team and I was so confused

[upbeat beacon]

For pelipper, use weather ball > scald; most players prefer eject button over damp rock. Steel type of choice for rain should be Archaludon > Ferrothorn. Rain teams tend to like having Tornadus to take care of grass mons like amoonguss or rillaboom, and it also serves as a manual rain setter. Since this is ND, you might want to try out other Megas like Scizor or Gardevoir. Other mons just for the sake of coverage that you may use include Nihilego, which is good at threatening Zard + Flutter Mane combo, or Flutter Mane, to take care of electric mons like Iron Hands or Raging Bolt a bit better.

[rocky granite]

mostly cuz i wanted to use it for fun, but a little bit because the tier Lacks Ground resists that are not above C tier if gravity is active

[distant hearth]

Just use Zygarde at that point

[covert wedge]

Oh also I feel like I have not much resources apart from only gliscor to stop set up

Is there like ways to add more stuff to it maybe?

[solemn zodiac]

yeah i wonder why zyg is top tier

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/903102822aa98564 Thoughts about this team I got to 1555 ELO with an other name?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

There's far more efficient ways to annoy stall than using M-Kangaskhan (not that this team needs them per-say, especially with such structure being niche as a whole), you could just replace this for a defensive Zygarde and get much better results for general matchups

[rocky granite]

cool

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/2721a139bdebdf3c people is there any way to make this better or it's just fine like this?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @atomic salmon, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @low ruin, @runic sage. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worthy fjord]

You need klefkies meow

Support fini is also a bit awkward since you would just typically not last long enough to make good use of defog

Bulu is sort of wanted too, because otherwise threats like M.Pert would just be awful to deal with

[random wadi]

instead of what?

[worthy fjord]

Scarf enam isnt that great since your main selling point is just outspeeding lando(scarf) over lele. In that case you have I.Val anyway to outspeed

[worthy fjord]

Fini

You could do cm fini if you want, drop enam for keys and lele for bulu in that case

[random wadi]

I'll still need a flying type since with now klef half the team is weak to it

[worthy fjord]

Bulu sets grassy terrain meow

You dont really "need" a flying type, if you want to then drop lele for bulu and fini for keys

Like for instance which ground moves would you be afraid of

Exca just kills enam, Lando has sludge wave, gliscor will scout protect, M.Pert will Ice Punch you, etc.

[random wadi]

ok ig, can I keep lele and switch bubu out or would I need speed control?

[worthy fjord]

Speed control is not really needed since you have quark valiant
But it can be comfy to have one sometimes, depends on what you feel like

[random wadi]

ok then

although with the terrains mashup I think I'll still need it

[random wadi]

also quick question generally what are the best type to go mono in the format?

[worthy fjord]

NDM - Dragon / Flying / Steel (Balance), Water (weather offense)

Bug/Fairy for HO

[signal phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/1287327b09cd3532 can someone look at my team and tell me if its fine?

[dry ridge]

Hey @signal phoenix, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9nationaldexdoublesubers. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[random wadi]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexmonotype-2571396772-ckv3x72btvkdn0dv06nr9o87kshhjq0pw who would've know stall was so annoying 😭

[mental jay]

ive recently won almost all of my matches with this team but i genuinely thing most of it is from the mons being strong https://pokepast.es/cec1488868d147f5 also reached top 59 in ladder for nat doubles with this team

[dry ridge]

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[upbeat beacon]

Tapu Fini outclasses Primarina. If you want to remain in the offense, then you can use the Choice Specs set or to a lesser degree (but still viable), the Calm Mind set. Having Tapu Fini means you don't require Safety Goggles because you can't be status affected under Misty Terrain. Salamence is a good Mega, but I recommend putting Tailwind over Dragon Claw if you want to use Tapu Fini and Ursulana-B outside of Trick Room as well. For the team's Trick Room setters, I recommend both Diancie (as a mon that can resist opposing Salamence) or Jirachi ( as a mon that resist both Salamence and Fairy-types). In concerns to Kommo-o, I don't recommend using it alongside Tapu Fini since its main STAB move will have its damage output halved under Misty Terrain. Instead, Incineroar would be a better pick to help assist setting up either Trick Room or Tailwind. Here is a team based on my recommendations: https://pokepast.es/a2a892ab29d8575e. If you prefer a different direction, then feel free to ask.

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/8296f796e16e3f97

[dry ridge]

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[upbeat beacon]

Chi-Yu's speed is mid range for this format and is not bulky enough to tank hits from faster mons. You will need Scarf on it to remain on the offensive. In concerns to Incineroar and Ogerpon-W, they don't really fit into the team. Incineroar just stacks common Fire-weaknesses and the damage output of Ogerpon's Ivy Cudgel will just get reduced to half under Sun. Instead, you could use Rillaboom and Raging Bolt. Making these changes should make your matchup against Rain a lot easier. Last but not least, I recommend exchanging Liligant for another mon. There is just too much weather wars in this format, and Lilligant isn't guaranteed to take advantage of Chlorophyll. I should note that the best Sun abusers are mons that can still perform well outside of Sun (Ex. Flutter Mane and Raging Bolt). Rather, having a hazard remover such as Glimmora (Mortal Spin), maybe Great Tusk (Rapid Spin), or even Landorus (Defog) may be more preferable.

[random wadi]

woger is to redirect opposing water moves, I did have in mind switching cudgel for something else but left it for the times where sun isn't up

[signal phoenix]

Can somebody take a look at my team?

[rocky granite]

soooo, wheres the Ubers?

[signal phoenix]

I don’t get your question

[rocky granite]

your in ND Doubles Ubers

[wheat gulch]

they are confused by your lack of pokemon banned from ou (magearna is, in fact, banned from national dex doubles)

[signal phoenix]

Im kind of new in showdown, so i didn’t understand your question at first

[signal phoenix]

Yes there isn’t much ubers in my team, the main strat is magearna with helping and the UB sludge wave poison tera

I think this would be enough to outspeed most mons first round and potentially 1hko any pokes they start with.

In the case im dealing with ground or steel types where this strategy wouldn’t really work i think starting with sneasler and amoongus could take care of that problem for me

[wheat gulch]

so, I am not the right person to give advice on this team but I would direct you to the thread for the meta

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-doubles-ubers.3747780/

you can find viability rankings and other resources on this thread, and it seems like quite a few of the mons on your team are not ranked as being viable in the tier. you could try out one of the teams that has been posted in the thread to start out as you learn the metagame

[hallow fiber]

https://pokepast.es/903b761f6b1dbb47

[dry ridge]

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[hallow fiber]

?

new to this so dont be too mean lol

[upbeat beacon]

Stall-based teams doesn't work in doubles metagames. Most of the mons here can't compete against the powerhouses that are in National Dex Doubles either except Ursa-B. I recommend taking a look at our sample teams and viability rankings.

[hallow fiber]

probably smart

idk i just really like a lot of those like im aware wo-chien is pretty bad but i do want to use it

i'll probably just have to use other pokemon to play against the really big powerhouses

[timber bay]

can someone rate my team I just kinda started makin em soo I need advices
https://pokepast.es/163e03f793c49279

[dry ridge]

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[mint urchin]

How to improve this team I am struggling with couple of things

https://pokepast.es/31cfead54218646e
thanks

[dry ridge]

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[distant hearth]

Choice locked Pokemon are generally undesirable in hyper offense as they become a major momentum sink once forced out (in the best case scenario by a revenge kill), add to that M-Salamence is out of place as Flying-types aren't protected from priority by Psychic Terrain, and overall I would recommend to add Zacian-C and 2 of Ultra Necrozma, Eternatus and/or Arceus-Ground

[random wadi]

also psychic terrain and shadow sneak on marsh is anti synergy

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/d409fbc377b2b44b Rinse and Repeat, how's this team that I got to 1539 ELO with?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[solemn zodiac]

doesnt this lose to cm taunt arc

[pallid oriole]

im willing to hear you out on pecharunt. should probably know however that darceus usually runs tera poison taunt, that analysis is quite old

[rocky granite]

Ok

[pallid oriole]

alright, so this team is fairly weak to marshadow. you have some room to breathe as it doesn't outright ohko pecharunt and you have resistances and immunities to where with good reads you can handle it, but its not idea. once pdon starts getting chipped down you basically have to either read what button it clicks perfectly or lose a pokemon. all that is for choice band marshadow. if you run into LO marshadow, theres not a lot you really can do once pdon gets chipped other than lose a pokemon and/or try to get it to kill itself through life orb chip and iron barbs via switching your pokemon out like crazy

[rocky granite]

Okay

[covert wedge]

So my friend recommended a dragon dance, outrage with Dragonium Z, but didn't exactly say what to, like, swap for them from my band set, so I assumed kind of alongside a chance to Tornadus a bit by changing hurricane to Breakwind Storm and put life orb instead of Flyinium Z, but i am not sure thats it. https://pokepast.es/ad89e36deefcfc7d

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @atomic salmon, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @low ruin, @runic sage. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[solemn zodiac]

idk mono but how does this deal with any water team

dont they just click scald 15 times and win

bc ur resist doesnt have recovery and doesnt want to switch into scald either way

[covert wedge]

i mean yeah but idk how to fix it

[covert wedge]

maybe add like celesteela? or roost on drgonite ig idk

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/5b8a5008e6d6964a Thoughts about this team I laddered to 1548 ELO with an otha name?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

May I ask what Rillaboom does here that Marsh doesn't? Pivoting seems to little of a niche to be using it over that, given that Grass is much easier to resist in a meta where Dragon-types are everywhere

[rocky granite]

Wood hammer's sheer power when tera grass is kinda what it does

knock off to make sure Ho-oh can't safely come in too

and it can nuke tera groudn Zacian-Crowned with grassy glide even without tera

[distant hearth]

You have an entire Ditto to punish Zac-C, and raw damage does not really work as a niche when it's much easier to wall than Marsh as Grass is quite lacking offensively, if you want a breaker that can overwhelm resists within a similar speed tier I'd recommend using Rayquaza, which can also fill pivoting and priority in the same set

[rocky granite]

Anyways, other changes you can think of for the team?

[tough parrot]

https://pokepast.es/31fa1b060be041f8 Anything I should change?

[rocky granite]

What is going on here 😭

On a more actual note, Mega Rayquaza is banned from ND Ubers

Kartana is harshly outclassed by other physical attackers like Marshadow, Chien-Pao, and Zacian-Crowned

Garchomp is unviable

[rocky granite]

and rocky helmet ferrothorn isn't very good

[tough parrot]

Idk what's going on I am very new to team building

[rocky granite]

more off looking at sample teams

[tough parrot]

Okay

[tough parrot]

What should I switch Garchomp with?

[rocky granite]

Primal Groudon

it's pretty much mandatory to have Primal Groudon on any BO or balance team

[tough parrot]

Okay

[tough parrot]

I didn't know that it is banned, is normal Rayquaza good? If not, what would be a good alternative?

[rocky granite]

Rayquaza is a solid choice band user in ND Ubers

[tough parrot]

Okay

[dry ridge]

National Dex Ubers (Gen 9)

• Discord
• C&C Forum
• Viability Rankings
• Good Cores
• Speed Tiers
• Teambuilding Compendium
• Sample Teams

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[distant hearth]

I would recommend checking the Viability Rankings and especially the sample teams to get more familiar with the tier

[distant hearth]

I'd recommend specifying Hidden Power Ice on Ditto so it can make use of the move in very niche scenarios, given that it's mostly used to hit Dragon-types, beyond that this is mostly standard

[rocky granite]

ok

[hearty quest]

For national Dex Doubles this is my first Team i made ever for competitive and i am looking for improvements https://pokepast.es/4d2fc51630db7797
if possible i wouldnt replace arcanine drago
i was thinking of changing gholdengo for incin cuz i have troube with farigiraf and tr in general

[dry ridge]

Raters for [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles

@upbeat beacon (testbotz)
@strange knoll (gephicka)
@simple stag (ipetbigfoot)

[ember spade]

https://pokepast.es/e627aefb0a42abc7
So- I have this rain team for Nat Dex Doubles- and I have showed it to my only other friend who plays showdown-
and they said it was hot garbage
and I believe them
but I figured I would show it off here because I think this has potential to be a hidden gem
this is kind of a meme team I can't lie but I have been using it seriously and I think it's getting about 50/50 results (Keep in mind I am like 1069 Elo in the ladder- I like team building more than actually battling- not too good at battling)

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat gulch]

!shareteam

[dry ridge]

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[wheat gulch]

just link the pokepaste

[ember spade]

this?
https://pokepast.es/e627aefb0a42abc7

[wheat gulch]

works

[upbeat beacon]

This is more of SV Doubles team, possibly a variation of a VGC team. You should try asking there.

[hearty quest]

Oh ok

I just couldnt think of a mega thst fitted the team cuz i had gyarados but it didnt worked well

[upbeat beacon]

If you truly want a ND styled team, you would probably have to change half your team. Mega mence is good substitute for whims. To avoid fairy weakness, you would exchange regi for another mon. Arc-h is workable. However, you'd need some strict speed control.

[upbeat beacon]

Ill respond to this later on the day. Busy atm.

[ember spade]

on no worries take your time

it's not too serious of a team anyway

[ember spade]

I've made 1 change to this team since then, and it's making Pelipper Tera Ground-
because I'm noticing a lot of people predicting Pelipper turn one, and sending in someone w/ an Electric Move to OHKO them
so I've added Tera Ground as a counterplay to that

I've also been considering Switching Kingdra for someone like Excadrill but I'm not entirely sold on that- I just haven't been getting a lot of Value with Kingdra

[upbeat beacon]

Charizard, Dragonite, and Moltres aren't mons that you would usually use in Rain teams. Pelipper is fine, but you wouldn't want a slow mon using U-turn. National Dex Doubles in particular has a lot of weather wars, so you'd be better off using Eject Button to create more chances to switch in Pelipper as needed. For Rain abusers, Swampert and Kingdra aren't the premier choices although you can still use the former; they haven't been since Gen 7. You should try Scarfed Dracovish (Fishious Rend), Basculegion (Lasting Respects), and Archaludon instead. Their sets are in the Strategy Dex under the National Dex Doubles section. I advise only to have only 2-3 Rain abuser on your team to not be too dependent on Rain. If you want, you could add a second setter, Tornadus, which uses Pranster to quickly set up Rain.

[ember spade]

eye sea eye sea
I know Zard, Nite, and Moltres aren't meant for Rain Teams but I do like goofing around with random team compositions to build interesting off meta teams
I know this won't get any high elo or anything but it's a fun team to play
I do think I can take a lot of what you said and apply it to this team however to make it better-

[spare willow]

https://pokepast.es/0a6397bae107b5d3 this is my team for pokemon champions i used only some of my favuorite pokemon and i played a ton of competitive in the past years i tryed to make this an useful team someone can rate it or give me tips to improve it?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

!champions

[dry ridge]

Pokemon Champions has...

1. Yet to have a defined metagame as to conclusively answer what is trending
2. Yet to have an exactly known pool of Pokemon / moves / items / abilities / mechanics

As such, competitive Champions support is limited to glorified theorymonning, thus breaking rule 3 of #1373406929317269624 message and not allowed.

Please wait as Pokemon Champions releases and high level play is refined until further notice.

[upbeat beacon]

If its the official Pokémon formats you're looking to play, then you're better off asking VGC, not ND Doubles, for advise.

[random wadi]

this command is already a thing? ;-;

[solemn zodiac]

been for a while

[undone terrace]

Hi new here. Looking for advice for my team. It is for a cobblemon tornament (Pokemon in Minecraft) that will have a mix of competative and casual players (same mechanics).
Shuckle @ Mental Herb
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
Impish Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Knock Off
• Encore
• Sticky Web

Basculegion @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 80 HP / 176 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Last Respects
• Wave Crash
• Crunch
• Head Smash

Annihilape @ Assault Vest
Ability: Defiant
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rage Fist
• Drain Punch
• Earthquake
• Outrage

Jolteon @ Focus Sash
Ability: Quick Feet
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Thunderbolt
• Volt Switch
• Roar
• Tera Blast

Pawmot @ Eject Pack
Ability: Volt Absorb
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

• Revival Blessing
• Double Shock
• Close Combat
• Play Rough

Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• King's Shield
• Gyro Ball
• Shadow Claw
• Shadow Sneak

[crimson obsidian]

!cobblemon

[dry ridge]

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[undone terrace]

oh

Well I'm also useing this team on showdown.

So can I still get advice?

plz

[rocky granite]

Annihilape, and Jolteon are unviable, your better off using smeargle rather than shuckle as a webs user, and Basculegion should have a Jolly nature, and max attack rather than the mysterious 80 EVs in HP

[pallid oriole]

smeargle over shuckle is subjective but at this point im the only one still arguing shuckle is better

[random wadi]

to be fair I think what makes shuckle worse for me is that it suffers more against taunt even with the mental herb after it's gone it's pretty much dead meat to be set up on, smeragle at least can cause permenant damage is status or setting up hazard without worrying about taunt ( stone axe..Etc)

[solemn zodiac]

smeargle has scarier moves to throw out

spore nuzzle perish song very threatening

whatever shuckle does not very threatening

[random wadi]

also things like nuzzle, mortal spin, stone axe can't be taunted

[distant hearth]

I'd recommend going to https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059714627384115290 for this one, unless it's meant for another ND meta

[gaunt kayak]

sorry

[candid hare]

Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Precipice Blades
• Heat Crash
• Rock Polish
• Swords Dance

Yveltal @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Oblivion Wing
• Dark Pulse
• Sucker Punch
• Taunt

Arceus @ Life Orb
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Extreme Speed
• Swords Dance
• Shadow Claw

Ho-Oh @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Toxic
• Defog
• Sacred Fire
• Brave Bird

Zacian-Crowned @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Behemoth Blade
• Swords Dance
• Close Combat
• Wild Charge

Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Power Construct
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Coil
• Thousand Arrows
• Rest
• Outrage

Nat dex ubers for 1450+ ladder

[solemn zodiac]

!shareteam

[dry ridge]

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You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[candid hare]

https://psim.us/t/1648400

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spare idol]

team is on paper good enough

don't use outrage on zyggy it's really useless

either have espeed or if you want bulky dtail

[pallid oriole]

ho-oh and zygarde are quite out of place on hyper offense. also for the record, max spd instead of hp on ho-oh is wildly ineficient

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/fff7cec4c45f1909 correct me if I posted this already

[random wadi]

damn still the app isn't working 🤔

@pallid oriole

[pallid oriole]

change groudon to 140+ defense and i think its good enough

[random wadi]

sry forget to respond but why specfically?

[solemn zodiac]

tmk it checks tb ground zacian

[pallid oriole]

also you definitely want more physical bulk if you're not running zyg or mola

[random wadi]

oh ok then, is there anything I should worry about? eterna feels annoying

[pallid oriole]

etern is always annoying, but zac helps and if you can get it to burn herb you can put ho-oh in and deal with it

marshadow tho is concerning

[pallid oriole]

kyogre also helps a ton

[random wadi]

oh yeah this one is also really annoying even tho I have yve

[lusty patrol]

https://pokepast.es/dfddf923522177ac ubers, 2nd team i've made without other's help

[rocky granite]

Both Zamazenta-Crowned and Zapdos are unviable, there's no hazard removal,
Primal Kyogre should have calm mind and rest over thunder and thunder wave if your running it with the defensive EVs
Primal-Groudon is much better off using Defense EVs to tank Zacian-Crowned's +3 CC better, while having Special Defensive EVs to help against Eternatus

rather than maxing Attack out

Since it's already plenty strong even without any investment, oh ye and give Pdon Relaxed nature, and Overheat over Heat Crash

[random wadi]

this feels all over the place honestly, zap and zama aren't COMPLETELY unusable but if you want to use them the whole team should be able to support them and built around them also they're kinda just outclassed so you really need both good knowledge and absolute expert level of playing

[tough parrot]

https://pokepast.es/bfbf2e3e7f1c55fd Good? Bad? TBH I am trying to team build to beat my friends in 6v6 singles

[dry ridge]

Hey @tough parrot, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9nationaldexag. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[random wadi]

try to see more opinions on #1208795569649356820 but just from the look of it your team it's unviable, you only have ho-oh and pgore that are actually good

[lusty patrol]

thank you

[tough parrot]

Okay, thank you

[warm scroll]

can i have some help

https://pokepast.es/69ce5d835619dbd7

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[warm scroll]

i dont think this works

[crimson obsidian]

umm...are you trying to use this team in ubers?

[warm scroll]

well mainly competitive

[wheat gulch]

in ubers you do need to actually use ubers mons, this might work for a lower tier maybe but not in ubers

[crimson obsidian]

yeah, this is a low power level even for something like uu, yet alone ubers

[warm scroll]

can i have some help with that haha

[rocky granite]

just go to sample teams

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-ubers-sample-teams-updated-30-03-2025.3752303/

[warm scroll]

Ok

I might learn a thing or two

[distant hearth]

The team has 2 NDRUBL mons, 2 NDOU mons, and 2 NDRU mons, so needless to say the power level is all over the place

[rocky granite]

main thing to learn is that Primal-Groudon is just about mandatory to use if ur wanting to use a BO or Balance

[celest echo]

https://pokepast.es/c53f25e44eadcb3e

Nat Dex Ubers

[rocky granite]

All the mons here but Glimmora and Galarian Darmanitan (Barely) here are unviable in ND Ubers

unfortunately

and the set for Galar darmanitan isn't very good so it's pretty much unviable as well

plus Glimmora is pretty much always used as a lead for HO

[distant hearth]

Half of the meta just comes in and forces a KO at worst, needless to say this isn't up to the power level as explained above

[celest echo]

Glimmora is always lead in

and I mean Sneasler and Rilla are still OU

maybe UU

Draco is always really strong

[distant hearth]

The main Defoggers in the meta (Ho-Oh, Yveltal, and Giratina-O) need barely any momentum (namely switching on anything in this team but G-Darm and Dracovish) to remove hazards, and G-Darm and Vish are too slow to apply offensive pressure against most of the offensive metagame, which isn't helped by the choice lock of the former anti-synergizing with a suicide lead as it gives a free opportunity to lose momentum once forced out by being locked to a undesirable move long term, and the latter dislikes the heavy trend of Dragon-types and especially Primal Groudon

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/50fbc77378e0970c
https://pokepast.es/a9e7bb313b13195b which one is better?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid oriole]

the zygarde one, there's a reason mola usually runs alongside gira-o, cause otherwise you get rolled by stuff like double dance primal groudon

for the record, there are ways to run mola alongside ho-oh, mainly garganacl who can answer these things after tera.

or ofc if you also put zygarde or giratina alongside them

[random wadi]

to be fair I did thought of gira-o but I didn't want to suffer more against yve, darkceus

[pallid oriole]

yeah, building a mola team is tricky, but imo its worth it cause they're also quite powerful

[distant hearth]

The main issue with Mola teams is the matchup with Sticky Web teams, as to avoid being matchup fishy they tend to need a slot for M-Diancie, and it's just to get a chance at playing around it as it can still lose to a double switch between the setter and Zac-C

[viscid drum]

https://pokepast.es/5e3dd77ad77cfd42 Doing a tournament with friends where the national dex is in account. (Ik the magearnite is illegal but since this is with friends, I'll be allowed to use it.)

[distant hearth]

!arbitraryformats

[dry ridge]

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[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/564f55a43b922011

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @worthy fjord, @low ruin, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[atomic salmon]

looks like a fun normal did you have any mons you were building around or like a certain comp

[random wadi]

nothing specfic but the base idea was a balance that is able to somehow be prepared for everything, also is ghost-z+ np good on zoro?

[atomic salmon]

you would just do staraptor over the turtle (terapagos) for defensive back bone + hazard removal. you also have setup potential in ursaluna and z happy hisuian zoroark which is overall acoomplishing the same goal

plot zoroark hisui is not bad but z happy hour is more preferred as omni boost is just op + your basically putting urself in the mindset where your trying to go for the win as soon as you pop it

[random wadi]

to be fair was told that happy z is not good and that it can't break anything so thought of nastt plot

[atomic salmon]

its good, its not there for breaking tho. your breakers on the team is sd bear + m lopunny

its just there as a last minute endgame sweeper

if you dont want it as that and want to play more aggressive with zoroark hisui

i would just slap a specs or do the nasty plot you suggested

[random wadi]

ok then, thx neither way I'll test it out tommorow gotta go to sleep

[atomic salmon]

fasho gl!

[candid hare]

So what do u recommend instead of zyg and ho oh I'm open to anything

[pallid oriole]

one should definitely be a hazard lead like smeargle or deoxys-speed. the other could be a bunch of different things, id personally add meteor beam eternatus

[pallid oriole]

should probably tell you, the type of things that generally go on hyper offense are powerful setup sweepers including but not limited to extreme killer arceus, dragon dance arceus ground, meteor beam eternatus, chi-yu (usually just on webs), meteor beam lunala (also usually on webs i think), double dance primal groudon, zacian, offensive primal kyogre, ultra necrozma, and kyurem black. usually besides the hazard lead (and/or screen setter or tapu lele in the case of screens and psyspam) setup sweepers like these will compose your entire team with the notable exeption of yveltal who is powerful enough that it doesnt need to setup and is also really good at denying hazard removal

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/791a4b774a009b22 Thoughts about this timingo

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

I'd recommend to set Ditto's Hidden Power type to Ice and just keeping it at max Atk IVs to maximize Struggle damage when somehow not transformed. Moving 4 EVs from HP to SpD would also be recommended to reduce long-term damage from entry hazards and other sources of indirect damage

The team seems quite standard beyond that

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/1525e4e66e41ad02

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @worthy fjord, @low ruin, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[boreal escarp]

https://pokepast.es/dd8839ab42354d01 A Trick Room team around Melmetal. Melmetal actually kinda sucks but Tera Steel + STAB + Iron Fist + Choice Band + 60 x 2 BP + %30 Flinch Chance Double Iron Bash in Trick Room Kinda OP and gives me hope

[random bluff]

https://pokepast.es/7410c783793d465a Hi, I'm trying to run a breedable team that doesn't need dittos for national dex ubers, with using a mega (can be a new one of champions), no z moves, no dynamax and no tera dependant. I know it is quite dumb because is really hard to compite with the ubers meta with those conditions, but I appreciate if you guys could help me

[dry ridge]

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[random bluff]

I have been trying that team on smogon but it loses more than it wins

[solemn zodiac]

!arbitraryformats

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[atomic salmon]

Yo yo I prob would just remove glimm for shuckle. Since it can compress in hazard support + being a solid wall

[frigid sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/ef0ccb844b7432e4

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

Earth Plate over Groundium Z regarding Arc-Ground (as to avoid overlap with Chi-Yu; only a single Z-Move may be used per battle after all)
The Ho-Oh spread is weird and the Pokemon is out of place either way (it's too passive and the longevity it has isn't too appreciated by HO), you'd want to fit in Yveltal for a Flying-type breaker that complements Chi-Yu at keeping Sticky Web up with Taunt
Calyrex-I does not fit Sticky Web teams as it's too slow, and the choice lock also makes it incompatible with the premise as being locked long-term is disfavorable long-term to retain momentum, you'd want to fit in Zacian-C instead to provide a safety net to play around in situations where Sticky Web is no longer up (mostly the mid- to end-game)
Tera Steel shines better in Smeargle to block Mortal Spin from other Smeargle and Glimmora, you'd also want to consider Nuzzle over Spore to more consistently hinder switch-ins and Taunt users, and Perish Song over Stone Axe is also worth mentioning as to avoid auto-losing to Substitute + Dragon Dance Zygarde

[warped pecan]

https://pokepast.es/337cfc23625c96c9
I really love mega abomasnow but the team is just kinda feel ehh, so how can i improve it?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upbeat beacon]

In a full room team, you would normally use Camerupt, but Abomasnow is still usable. Also, since you are using snow, you need to justify using it other than that it helps the setter spam blizzard. What I mean is that you should use other snow abusers. In this format, the most popular ones are Kyurem-Black and Arctovish. However, common snow cores are extremely vulnerable to other weather cores. You definitely want mons that are resistant and able to threaten opposing Fire and Rock types. For example, Diancie and Incineroar may better help you against Sun teams.

[frigid sentinel]

Any substitute for zacian and Yveltal? I already used them in half my teams but if there isn't a viable one I don't mind adding them anyways

[distant hearth]

For Sticky Web HO not really

[frigid sentinel]

Ight thx

[errant cove]

Natdex Monotype: https://pokepast.es/3c387370faef5657

Could Buzzwole be replaced?

(I actually use this team in Natdex OU but I figured it would be wrong to post a Monotype team in OU)

[gloomy marten]

Lokix wants SD > U-turn to get the most outta blits z-move and night slash > x-Scissor on kleavor so it can threaten ghold.

[errant cove]

SD?

Oh like Swords Dnce

Lmao every time I see SD I think Self-Destruct

[gloomy marten]

Swords dance.

[errant cove]

Okay will try that

Would it be better to put Z move on someone else you think?

[gloomy marten]

Uhh.., no idea.
Not familiar with natdex bug to tell.

[errant cove]

Okay

I may try a natdex Ghost team next

With Mega Banette

[random wadi]

doesn't klea has knock off?

[gloomy marten]

Night Slash outdamages Knock Off.

Ghold also loves running Crystals a lot of the time or Air Balloon so Knock will often not being getting the power boost so its a 65 BP move V a 70 BP move that gets a 50% damage boost.

[random wadi]

I still see it as an option since in general knocking off items is really spammable and safe in most parts

[gloomy marten]

Bug though has a lot mons already packing knock with Sciz and Lokix that its generally not needed.
The same sort of situation happens on Fighting with reg gallade where while the value of knocking items off with knock is good, the higher consistent damage of nightslash is generally preferred.

[random wadi]

understandable

[warped pecan]

https://pokepast.es/f771415bf0b0db54
How about this?i have never used kyurem black so idk the right set for it, also added galade because i was having a hard time against archaludon, mega aggron and spread move.

Oh also about that earth power i forgot to change it to tera blass

[upbeat beacon]

For Kyurem-Black, use Dragon Dance > Scale Shot, Fusion Bolt > Earth Power to negate resists and Tera Fire > Ground to negate Will-o-wisp plus weaknesses. Gallade and Slowking is too weak for this format, and your team will still have a hard time against mons like Heatran, Iron Hands, Flutter Mane, etc. You could use Landorus (not Therian) which is good against common, but slower mons. Your last mon could be Jirachi (Follow Me, Trick Room), Bronzong (Psychium Z + Hypnosis, Trick Room; Heatproof for this team), or Arctovish (Fishious Rend, Aurora Veil; Slush Rush, but still can be used Trick Room).

[main turtle]

Can someone rate my natdex doubles team

[crimson obsidian]

You need to post it

[main turtle]

I'm keeping Gliscor the team was kinda build with them in mind

[warped pecan]

https://pokepast.es/b432ec5f2da4f934
How about this?im still tryna get the best ev,iv for em, but the team does feel pretty good, the only problem is like double fake out and prankster Mon but im still winning against those mons so its not like biggest problem ever

[upbeat beacon]

you should put diancie and incinoar back. having a snow team with a very negative matchup against sun is a bad idea, especially in this format. there is also sets that you can use from the strategy dex - national dex doubles section.

[desert gorge]

So this is my best team for double Nat https://pokepast.es/9e6b2c77aaf95bfa

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[desert gorge]

Damp rock is supposed to be with peliper my apologies

[upbeat beacon]

This isn't a bad start. Damp rock is fine, but Pelipper will need more bulk, especially as the only setter. Rillaboom is better off with Assault Vest and U-turn > HHP for this team. For Archaludon, you can't use Roar with Assault Vest, so replace that move with Draco Meteor. Dazzling Gleam doesn't hit as hard on a Booster set, so I recommend Icy Wind, Thunder Wave, Taunt, or some other support move instead. Other recommendations... you could use other Rain abusers such as Basculegion (Lasting Respects) or Scarfed Dracovish (Fishious Rend) as opposed to Maushold; I know you want to use Population Bomb on Archaludon, but the mentioned Rain abusers are guaranteed to give you quicker and easier OHKO's.

[solemn zodiac]

Post the link

[main turtle]

https://pokepast.es/16ebc01d8f613669

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[main turtle]

That better?

[candid hare]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1707092

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[candid hare]

Any improvements i can do? I want to reach 1500+ rating

[main turtle]

Same here😭

Highest I've got to is 1450

[crimson obsidian]

Replace the marshadow with meteor beam eternatus

[upbeat beacon]

Unfortunately, none of these mons will do well in the ND Doubles format. The power level of the most viable mons are just too high. I suggest that you take a look at our viability rankings and sample teams.

[main turtle]

I'm keeping Gliscor sadly the team is centered around him

Everyone else is up for debate

I thought Empoleon and Ninetales were pretty good though

And Corviknight

Does anyone know any way i can use Gliscor well in Nat Dex Doubles then?

[upbeat beacon]

No rater will suggest gliscor over landorus or landorus-t. In terms of other ground-type pokemon, ursaluna and ursaluna-b is as close as you can get. Maybe, ting-lu.

[main turtle]

Yeah but theoretically what if i was like

FORCED to use Gliscor

[desert gorge]

I did give rillaboom u turn for wood hammer and the assault vest for rillaboom as well but im keeping roar becuase of trick room teams the -7 priority of trick room roar goes first and switches out the trick room mon even with armor tail it only activates with plus priorty moves but roar is negative so its will always be a safe switch

And becuase 5 of my mons are fast they would quickly die in trick room so if I give a tank that move it can switch that out safely becuase I know archualdon can tank a few hit

[upbeat beacon]

You cant use roar with assault vest. The item wont let you.

[jade wind]

its a electric terrain team , the goal with the team is to discharge spam with koko and give septile a special attack boost , also if I can setup a tailwind that's great im just wondering how can I improve ? the team has had underwhelming results in my testing https://pokepast.es/77efab35100802de

[desert gorge]

Oh alright I just swapped it for leftovers

[desert gorge]

Is that a good idea?

[earnest haven]

!arbitraryformats

[dry ridge]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: #1373406929317269624 message

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for Smogon and Nintendo formats.

[upbeat beacon]

Discharge spam is a gimmick spanning generations, and it has never been viable as a strategy in smogon tournaments. Unfortunately, there is nothing I or other rators can say that would improve the team. You could, however, use Tapu Koko with Iron Hands and Raging Bolts. This is a team from Kunal which had some success: https://pokepast.es/4b7af5e030ef6d0e.

[jade wind]

Hmm okay thanks

[earnest haven]

[NDDou] Howdy gang, little nervous here but I've got a team I'm looking for some help on https://pokepast.es/cb8781c41b569f56. Been cooking for a couple weeks and I have some things I wanna work out:

• Generally looking for help with spreads + Teras. I think most of what I have looks/feels right, but I'd like to explore some options on what to do with TTar (EVs) and Dracovish (Tera) specifically.
• Generally looking for recommendations that might slot into the team better without straying from the core concepts of Hazards + Sand. Open to suggestions of course, but I would like to maintain the core idea(s) if possible 👍
• Debating on Excadrill vs. Dracovish. Drill is faster + I like that EQ is STAB, but it lacks some coverage that Dracovish has + Draco hits harder/is bulkier + I can just run EQ on it anyway.
• Debating Sinistcha vs. Volcarona. I think Volc has more offensive potential + I like that it has a Tailwind option, but Sinistcha helps stave off Rapid Spin + has access to TR (may be a good alt-mode for this team)
• Debating what goes in Cresselia's slot. I like it bc it's immune to EQ from DV (Levitate) + it's a check to Fighting types that threaten TTar + Ting-Lu, but I'm looking at other options. I have Uxie in mind - Frailer than Cress BUT lets me keep HH + Reflect, and I gain an additional Knock Off user as well as access to Psychic Noise (likely nichely good but a nice option)

[dry ridge]

Hey @earnest haven, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9natdexdoubles. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[upbeat beacon]

Huh. That's wrong. Regardless, I could probably take a look later tonight.

[wheat gulch]

I think it's cause it needs to be called nationaldexdoubles, not natdexdoubles

[earnest haven]

That'd probably do it, I added it manually and not through the 'Upload to Pokepaste' function on PS ^^

[upbeat beacon]

Regarding sets, we have those on the strategy dex, specifically the national dex doubles section. Having stealth rocks on Tyranitar is fine. Even having Celesteela on the team is fine. However, you're doing too much by having Ting-Lu on the team. In a doubles metagame, especially one with many strong mons, spending too much turns setting hazards may backfire on you because you weren't beating your opponents mons when theirs were. It doesn't help that Ting-Lu increases shared weaknesses with the Sand core.
Regarding Excadrill, always choose Dracovish; its better against Zard. In concerns to Volcarona, you're better off using Ogerpon-H or Heatran; they're immediately more reliable and don't require a couple of turns to become a threat. For Trick Room setters, you have better options like Bronzong (uses Psychium Z with Trick Room to increase accuracy for Hypnosis) or Jirachi. Also, no good teams would usually use Earthquake or Rapid Spin. Earthquake's damage output gets halved by the ever popular Rillaboom, and very rarely will you ever see Rapid Spin being a good investment for your mons.

[earnest haven]

All very fair, thank you! I didn't know Grassy Surge cut down on EQ, so that's good to know for the forseeable future ^^

Biggest outstanding headscratcher is with sets still. I ended up doing what you suggested with the Strategy Dex just to get a feel for what's worked for other people, but I guess there's some things that I either don't understand and/or I'm not confident about modifying a set.

For example, I don't value the default set on TTar's Speed investment bc I'm not running DDance. Would it make sense to reinvest into Attack for example (e.g. spread of 252 HP / 24 Atk / 36 Def / 20 SpD / 176 Spe becomes 252 HP / 200 Atk / 36 Def / 20 SpD)? Another example being some of the Teras on the Sand Balance sample team (https://pokepast.es/5448c22c0e57bf14) don't quite make sense to me. I can take a solid guess at why (e.g. Tera Ghost on DV to dodge Fake Out, Tera Normal on Metagross as a wonky Defensive typing, just figured out Tera Rock on Rilla is a SpD boost under Sand today), but I don't feel comfortable changing them bc clearly they're probably there for a reason

[upbeat beacon]

tera normal is so that marshadow don't steel gross's cosmic power boosts. tera rock is so that it resist zard and receive sand defensive boost. Yes, you can change the speed if you plan to use it for Trick Room.

[earnest haven]

I take it back I apologize, I needed to actually look at why. Realized that 1) I will always outspeed minspeed Lando, and 2) There are edge cases where I can outspeed non-max invested Lando. Even without DDance that's fine, but just seems kind of a waste to me in my brain bc it could be put somewhere else 🤷‍♀️

[austere cosmos]

guys,can sum1 review my team

https://pokepast.es/33720aaed1dadd34

netdex doubles

[crimson obsidian]

@upbeat beacon @strange knoll @simple stag

[austere cosmos]

??????

[crimson obsidian]

they are the doubles raters but were not pinged because the format isn't listed in your paste

[upbeat beacon]

Usually, its Gardevoir that uses Trick Room while Indeedee-F uses Follow Me and switches out via Eject Button. Fake Out users and Pranster Encore (Whimsicott) are useless here because Psychic Terrain will prevent their usefulness. Having Gardevoir and Flutter Mane in the same can work, but I generally prefer to have just one Fairy type per team; that's all you need, honestly.
If you want to make your Gardevoir + Indeedee-f core better, I recommend that you take a look at our sets in the strategy dex, specifically the national dex doubles section (or the SV DOU section if there is none there). The next mon you can add is a good tailwind setter like Tornadus or Roaring Moon. You can add another Trick Room setter such as Diancie for extra insurance although not necessary. Still, you would want at least a mon that can tank common mons such as Mega Salamence and Mega Charizard Y. For example, Heatran comes to mind. Any remaining slots should try to cover what your current team would struggle against.

[austere cosmos]

Uhuh

But if your actually a bot.Your response sounds very human!

[solemn zodiac]

They are a human

[upbeat beacon]

got em

[solemn zodiac]

i wonder how often this comes up

[upbeat beacon]

happens every other month

[random wadi]

I'll be perfectly honest I thought you were a bot too at my first days, although after SOME obeserving yeah you were either too human or humanity has actually created a monstrosity with hyper intellgence that is lurking in discord

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/d3032002be3c7766 Anyways thoughts about this team that I peaked 1681 ELO with (admittedly using the name naem in which I got my specks lugia team to decently high ELO)

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid oriole]

im going to ignore the elephant shrew in the room for now but i am curious what those evs are for

refresh on tera poison darceus is a tad redundant, twave is still something to watch out for but taunt protects you from that and offers so much more than refresh in general

im not saying drop shuca berry etern but i am saying that i have never seen anyone use it before. i wasnt there when it was written, but i kinda wonder why shuca berry was an analysis in the first place as it seems too niche

not saying its bad but i am saying that there's a very good chance you want another item

also if you have an eternatus that's incabable of doing anything to zacian you're going to want to use the 248 hp 140+ defense spread on pdon

[rocky granite]

ok

[pallid oriole]

alright, now i will say that i see the vision with FEAR on this team. tspikes pairs well with it not just to skip finishing them off with quick attack but also cause it heavily insentivises them to clear the hazards for you

however theres still a reason FEAR isn't used at high level and that is that it is at its core really inconsistant.

even in this tier which compared to other tiers i think is less hazard focused hazards are still super common and its really hard to guarentee you'll be able to deny or remove them

on top of that there's the ghost types who ignore it entirely, zygarde who's super common and is basically immune to the strategy, ho-oh which is a huge pain for it

there's way too much that can go wrong and the payoff of eliminating one mon if things go right isn't worth it

[wheat gulch]

curious why rattata>aron

if the strategy is being committed to

[rocky granite]

I mean ye, never at all consistent

So I decided to use it as a lead quite a few cuz it's almost never gonna do that silly Strat when the match is after the early game

Tera ghost to ruin SD arceus life

[crimson obsidian]

Please don't waste people's time asking them to build you fear

[rocky granite]

Ok

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/3cfd6120e9629c44 correct me if I already posted this

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid oriole]

looks good i think, although i would say espeed is a bit redundant. id go rock slide since ho-oh is annoying for GHAZ

[random wadi]

to be fair I wanted it avoid getting revenaged with priority

also does pgore feel rough?

[pallid oriole]

it does a bit ngl but you should have tools to out offense it

[pallid oriole]

i want to make it clear that i think this team is quite good. it's not as defensively sound as is could be but it more than makes up for it with an incredible offensive presence

[random wadi]

I'm kinda torn on zyg tera, on a hand I want to have a good mu against zyg mirrors but the same time want to lessen the struggle against pgore

[pallid oriole]

tera water doesn't help too much against wallbreaker i think and if you're worried about defensive pogre you could just underspeed it with fez and turn into marsh

+1 0 SpA Kyogre-Primal Scald vs. 248 HP / 216+ SpD Fezandipiti: 136-162 (35.8 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Kyogre-Primal Scald vs. +1 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow in Heavy Rain: 160-189 (49.8 - 58.8%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

[random wadi]

won't I need to chip it to make sure of a kill, also the risk of burn is annoying so I don't like risking it

[pallid oriole]

you'll have to adjust speed evs for this. not sure off the top of my head what that does but it means you can't just react to the defensive pdon switch and u-turn out

[pallid oriole]

it's not a fun risk to take but i dont think they'll even go for the scald in the face of marsh

maybe if you have already terad something else and they are at full they might go for the scald cause spec thief barely doesnt 2HKO without tera, but even then poltergeist does so unless they think you don't have it i dont see them going for it

going for scald has far better odds to benifit you then them so idt they'd go for it

and with both marsh and deo-a they can't just keep switching out forever

so defensive shouldnt be too much of a problem

[pallid oriole]

even then most pdon run overheat and by extention a -spe nature so... im not saying you should go for it even if you don't know if they're carrying overheat or not but i am saying if you do go for it there's not a high chance you are punished

obv this doesn't apply to basically any offensive pdon set

which i have seen people integrate into balance more recently

[random wadi]

ig you're right I'll test it out and see

[pallid oriole]

test what out? i ask cause of the message you're replying to

[random wadi]

the team in itself, sry I usually respond to the latest message when more then one message is sent to respond to it as whole

[errant cove]

https://pokepast.es/144f49e7d50ae3ac for Natdex Ubers UU / Ubers

If anyone has any suggestions please tell me

Yes there was a theme

I had a thought that maybe I could give Cofagrigus Trick Room and play that

Not sure though

[distant hearth]

Cofagrigus and Persian are unviable even in NDRU and everything else but M-Luc is quite niche in ND UUbers, I'd recommend just grabbing a sample team so that you may familiarize with the meta better

[errant cove]

Where do I find one

Also Cofagrigus and Persian are only there because its part of the theme, I know they are not that viable

[errant cove]

I also don't mind switching Persian if I must but Cofagrigus has to stay

[crimson obsidian]

Then you're asking in the wrong place

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/c7e76847daa12288 Thoughts about this team?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid oriole]

whats with that ev spread on pdon?

also unfortunately i think this does lose to mbeam eternatus. dont feel bad, a lot does.

id say you probably want an arceus forme to handle it

i was going to say drop garg for arc ground with pgem but then i realised you named it after garg so you probably want to keep it

you could potentially drop zyg. tera garg, especially idbp garg can act as a replacement to zyg in most cases. the problem is being able to consistently be in a position to have garg be already tera'd when you need it

the safe option would be to drop etern or marsh

[astral yew]

https://pokepast.es/591f770d53618ec5 for national dex

[rocky granite]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059714627384115290

[boreal escarp]

https://pokepast.es/fe63a00bb9d460fd I tried to build a Bulky Balance team in Nat Dex Ubers Without P-Groudon

[solemn zodiac]

how does this deal w zacian crowned

[cerulean skiff]

https://pokepast.es/d06caeb32ffd5ca4
Natdex Double Ubers, I need a physical attacker that ISN'T an uber (trying to avoid using those) but first of all, no clue what to replace, second of all, don't know what mon would synergise well, I'm kinda new to this format, any help would be appreciated

[solemn zodiac]

Why are you playing ubers if you dont want to use ubers

[cerulean skiff]

i dont think there's any other doubles format that allows mega slowbro that isn't a higher like power level

[crimson obsidian]

It is legal in nddou

[silent quartz]

https://pokepast.es/4cc4568aebfe6ef4
made this team a while back for natdex dou. im kinda new to teambuilding so feel free to criticise as much as necessary

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upbeat beacon]

It's honest pretty good for a first timer. You would want Dragon Claw > Rock Slide in case you face Ground types like the Ursaluna's or Ting Lu. I personally prefer Choice Band, but Substitute with Magnet works too. The point is you would want to minimize the impact of Intimidate as much as possible. Using a Dragon move means that you wouldn't want Tapu Fini on your team, either, and that's fine cause you already have Flutter Mane as the team's Fairy type. Flutter Mane with Booster Energy tends to have a more supportive role whether that be with Icy Wind, Taunt, etc. Dazzling Gleam just doesn't hit as hard as a Choice Specs set would. As for Speed, I recommend that you have 256 for Tyranitar so that it outspeeds Marshadow after Dragon Dance and max for Flutter Mane to avoid losing to mirror matchups.
Next thing you would want to do is minimize your team's overall weakness to Ground and Fairy type moves. This can't be helped since you are using Sand. Mons like Amoonguss, Ferrothorn, Celesteela, and Ogerpon-H comes to mind for Fairy types. Mons like Rillaboom, Ogerpon-W, Tornadus, Landorus's, and Bronzong (with Levitate) also comes to mind for Ground types. I'm aware of the usefulness of Ogerpon-C and Jirachi, but I don't think they're suited for this team. If you got further questions, then feel free to ping me.

[silent quartz]

@upbeat beacon appreciate the feedback.
the stat spreads and movesets were mostly ripped from smogon with minor modifications so that probably played a major part in making me look more competent than i actually am.

ive honestly been using Rock Slide on Dracozolt to cheese out wins in case Bolt Beak wasnt helpful and i couldnt afford to switch it out. Taunt was mostly there as insurance against Trick Room matchups so would it be safe to replace it with Substitute if i replace Jirachi with an Amoongus?

i originally had Choice Specs Flutter Mane but it felt kinda awkward to play with and i always (take this with a grain of salt as its a heavy exaggeration thats been possibly combined with a confirmation bias) had the wrong move locked in, which was why i gravitated towards Booster Energy.

as for the matter of Calm Mind Tapu Fini i honestly prefer the way it plays to Flutter Mane so are there any mons that would help it work better that can replace Flutter Mane?(maybe a tornadus as one of the main issues ive faced with this team has been speed control?)
if not then are there any mons that play similar to how Tapu Fini does that complements Flutter Mane?

finally would replacing Ogerpon Cornerstone with Ogerpon Wellspring with the exact same moveset be enough to handle the rain matchup and minimize the damage caused by opposing ground types?

apologies if ive asked too many questions

[upbeat beacon]

If you prefer Tapu Fini, then that's fine. The issue with the Calm Mind set is that you could be stalling valuable turns for Sand by trying to setup all the while Sand itself is chipping Tapu Fini's HP. I recommend using Tapu Fini's Choice Specs set instead.
You could also use Tornadus to minimize your team's Ground weakness, taunt Trick Room users, and give your team speed control via Tailwind. Sandstorm is also an option in case of weather wars. Note that Amoonguss's Spore will be ineffective while Tapu Fini's Misty Surge is in effect.
Based on recommendations, this leaves you with a team of Tyranitar / Dracozolt / Tapu Fini / Tornadus. A couple of mons that could fit well into this team are Heatran, Landorus's, Ogerpon-H, or Celesteela. The choice is honestly yours.

[silent quartz]

@upbeat beacon appreciate the help. ill hopefully be able work the rest out with some playtesting

[cerulean skiff]

https://pokepast.es/1264ecfd9afc1f53
My natdex doubles team, i'm having trouble trying to find a physical attacker that would synergise well into my team and also struggling w/ deciding what to replace; tried putting psyshock on like farigaraf and hatterene i think but that didn't go too well so i just reverted their moves to what they were before
any advice in general would be appreciated

[upbeat beacon]

The power level of the mons you've selected are too weak for this format. You would usually use Mega Gardevoir > Hatterene and Mega Camerupt > Torkoal. Mega Gardevoir is sometimes used with Indeedee-F to use the move Expanding Force; Hatterene is always used with Indeedee-F for the same reasons, but only in the SV DOU format. Since you want a Mega Slowbro team, we can still focus on that. Have Mega Slowbro use this set (Water STAB / Expanding Force / Trick Room / Protect). Of course, you will need to replace Farigiraf with Indeedee-F. Another Trick Room setter you should absolutely have is Diancie. You should be fine with having Ursaluna. The remaining mons in the teams should try to cover your weaknesses.

[spice zealot]

https://pokepast.es/e0bfb878b67d4899
rain based team

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spice zealot]

any suggestions?

[upbeat beacon]

In this format, Rain is best used hyper offensively. Here, Dracovish is too slow, so you're better off using Choice Scarf instead. Other mons that are good in Rain are Basculegion (via Lasting Respects) and Archaludon. Of course, you have to mind opposing weather, especially Sun and Sand. Nihilego in particular is great against Sun. Rain teams also tend to haveTornadus as a manual setter thanks to its ability, Prankster. Although not necessary, you should try out Mega's such as Gardevoir and Scizor as well. The strategy dex should have all the mentioned mons' sets. Look specifically on the National Dex Doubles section.

[spice zealot]

Aight bet

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/009bad17ab95bc1d Thoughts about this team?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

You have 4 spare EVs on Marsh, you'd want to dump them on Def

[outer canopy]

i would run tera fairy on zyg since sub dd dtail zyg can bully this team pretty badly

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/d7b8ea2710a00782 how is this?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid oriole]

im not experienced with Choice Specs Yveltal, but the team looks functional. Stop me if you herd this before though, but I think you should switch Groudon's spread to 140+ defense

would like someone to comment on Arceus Fairy's tera type though. dark cmceus is usually suposed to run tera poison and iirc so does fairy cmceus but i dont know if defensive fairyceus usually runs it.

also i will say that if you wanted to, you could probably run glare and/or tera water on zygarde since this team has about as much tools as you could reasonably fit on a team for dd zyg short of a hard counter so dropping that hard counter would probably be fine. thats not to say that thats the only reason to run those options, far from it in fact, but i thought i would at least let you know

also you forgot to put an ev on yveltal

idk what defensive stat you should put it on but it probably doesnt matter

maybe even put it on attack for slightly more u-turn damage idk

[random wadi]

actually to be fair I always forget the 140 thing but it is the one I usually go for thx for reminding me, also you I can risk going for a defense lowering nature just to let u-turn have weight

[pallid oriole]

you could if you wanted but i probably wouldnt cause the thing about u-turn is everything resists it so its not doing damage anyways. then again, this is a game that revolves around 12% hazard damage, so who knows. but if you do want to do it, -spd is probably the better decision thats the thing on LO yveltal probably cause marshadow, but maybe -spd on this hurts your ability to beat lo yveltals

[random wadi]

hmm okay then, btw wdyt of banded yve?

[pallid oriole]

4- Atk Yveltal U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Yveltal: 60-71 (15.2 - 18%) -- possible 6HKO
4 Atk Yveltal U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Yveltal: 67-79 (17 - 20.1%) -- possible 5HKO

[pallid oriole]

don't know a lot about it but it sure as hell is scary. a surpise knock off could probably win a game by itself tbh, and choice band boosts the power of your own foul play for some reason. IK someone who apparently is noteworthy for his usage of it or something but unfortunately he isn't in this server

0 Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Foul Play vs. 248 HP / 144+ Def Groudon-Primal: 186-220 (46.1 - 54.5%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

thats not supposed to be 144+ defense but it only changes the calc by 0.8%

tera dark has a chance to 2HKO coil zyg with spikes up dear god

0- Atk 0 IVs Choice Band Dark Aura Tera Dark Yveltal Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus: 190-224 (45.1 - 53.2%) -- 28.9% chance to 2HKO

oh cool so this just hits everything in the tier

0- Atk 0 IVs Choice Band Dark Aura Tera Dark Yveltal Foul Play vs. 248 HP / 4 Def Tera Poison Arceus-Dark: 216-256 (48.7 - 57.7%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO

yeah its probably good

[random wadi]

Oh I know from exprience that foul play is nasty on this thing

with hazard support it can 2hko everything

[rocky granite]

https://pokepast.es/ff0baecbf5bbf6b7 Thoughts about this team in which I decided to try out Gliscor?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rocky granite]

yawn

[candid hare]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1744339
Can this survive at 1500+ ladder(I'm at 1500 just reached)

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

1500s is chaotic and has plenty of cheese and unsets, so that's hardly a benchmark of note, that said, the team has the glaring issue of being built like hyper offense while lacking a entry hazard lead, and Choice Band Yveltal is out of place as besides that role being done better by Marshadow, choice locked breakers anti-synergize in this sort of structures as the revenge killing interactions are too much of a momentum sink to preserve offensive pressure, I would recommend using this sample team (https://pokepast.es/6d217e452a11babc) as it's a close permutation of how this team would look like when fixed

[random wadi]

I mean can't they make marsh a deox-s with the lead set and just use specially offensive yve set?

[distant hearth]

That's also an option, ultimately the lead slot is up to preference

[random wadi]

marsh feels the least impactful

imo

[distant hearth]

That proposal is already implicit as Marsh isn't featured in the brought-up sample, but it is indeed valid to point out the flexibility on the lead slot as well as making that bit clearer

[frigid sentinel]

https://psim.us/t/1547738

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

This team seems like a blend of offense and balance without a proper defensive backbone, I would recommend to decide further on which direction to take the team and you may want to use a sample team to get a better grasp of the current metagame, especially as this team is filled with niche Pokemon that demand considerable support around them, especially Cyclizar as it hasn't met much success in the current meta

[candid hare]

Alr

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/ada5c3e55f055a63 idk if should go zac or ndm

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crimson obsidian]

zac is better on this team

[random wadi]

is there any obvious problems with it?

[crimson obsidian]

gets deleted by webs

[random wadi]

damn

[frigid sentinel]

👍 can i keep zekrom tho?

[distant hearth]

You mean Kyurem-B? Zekrom isn't in that team, but beyond that yes, do note that it requires a notable amount of support to properly justify in a team

[slow summit]

https://pokepast.es/74a5d22dfbe4fbca A little sand team I made yesterday, is there anyway I could improve on it?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[slow summit]

Alr so I replaced cornerstone mask ogerpon with corviknight

[upbeat beacon]

You are using singles, not doubles sets. Take a look at the strategy dex, specifically the national dex doubles section. A good sand team will have ttar and dracovish / dracozolt. Every other mons in the team should try to cover their weaknesses, not add onto the team. If your mons is not on the strategy dex, they're not good enough for the format. The only exception I would say is Gholdengo, and you could use the SV Doubles set for that.

[slow summit]

Oh ok

[frigid sentinel]

K thx

[hollow thorn]

https://pokepast.es/31d0e7ea8f82d8f8 how is this team? natdex singles

[distant hearth]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059714627384115290

[boreal escarp]

https://pokepast.es/9b180a6d2e2104c0 A team for Eviolite Bisharp in Nat Dex UU

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/ca953ad44b0ca49a

[dry ridge]

Hey @random wadi, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9nationaldexuu. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[rocky granite]

Mega Tyranitar is banned from National Dex UU

[random wadi]

oh wait I'm dumb 😭 can something like lefties work instead of it?

[rocky granite]

ye

[waxen bane]

https://pokepast.es/8342d570250d2ff0
nddou

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[waxen bane]

i should probably replace meowstic with farig right

thing is gravity is pretty useful to land bonemarang

and surprise mons like corv and levitate users

but fake out ruins my tr setup

do i use covert instead of sash on meowstic?

[rocky granite]

I'm srry, but none of the mons here are viable in ND Doubles

[waxen bane]

sed

ig carbink is an improvement over meowstic

[rocky granite]

Look, since there really isn't any viable mons, I'd recommend looking at some sample teams to know more about this meta

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-doubles-resources.3726341/

[austere cosmos]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexdoubles-2609601873-rg0bm0gnu4xme3mlk8bnjkflf6psqokpw

Was too chickened clicking a wrong move in TR that i forgot the time was ticking

[waxen bane]

https://pokepast.es/c9a1e51ed2b6814e
nddou

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Doubles RMT @upbeat beacon, @strange knoll, @simple stag. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[waxen bane]

how do i counter trick room hatt

cant taunt or roar

cant ko with follow me/sash support

once trick rooms on i die

eugh

[upbeat beacon]

You can use trick room of your own to counter your opponent's trick room or just OHKO it with one of the metagame's heavy hitters like Mega Salamence or Ogerpon-H. Regardless, all of your mons aren't ideal for the format due to the power level of the mons that's actually used to compete in tournaments. I recommend taking a look at our viability rankings and sample teams.

[waxen bane]

ig i have too many offensive mons

[upbeat beacon]

Your offensive mons are too weak to be on the offensive for this format.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-doubles-viability-rankings.3757433/

You have to consider the stats of mons, especially with this gen min max'ing them.

[warm scroll]

guys who would suit this team

https://pokepast.es/9353e756050b3102

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[warm scroll]

i need one more mon to suit this team

[distant hearth]

I'm afraid that this team is unviable as nearly all of the Pokemon featured aren't up to the power level of the tier and are simply outclassed, regardless this seems more like a NDOU team once Darkrai is removed, and in any case you'd want to ask for help teambuilding incomplete teams in #comp-general ; the RMT section is for rating complete teams, rather than as to complement teambuilding of incomplete ones

[balmy knoll]

https://pokepast.es/d3fe421bade51ea2 monotype any ideas to inprove my team

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @worthy fjord, @low ruin, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worthy fjord]

Boots on Volc (Forre is not good at keeping rocks off these days)

Lokix likely is the better z move user if you like, but if keeping uturn/pivoting would likely prefer Adamant because it doesnt hit too hard

Uturn on Kleavor over likely Night Slash or X Scis. Because pivoting is op and more chances for volc to come in

If dropping Forre you could use Scizor, Bullet Punch + its Coverage under webs is still decently strong.

[turbid terrace]

What do you guys think of this national dex doubles team I made
https://pokepast.es/9536aa0b8494f958

[upbeat beacon]

You're better off having a regular diancie with trick room. You could also use Ursaluna-B, but I think the regular one is better, especially with Bronzong. Bronzong can easily replace Amoonguss and Cresselia via role compression. Note that it uses Psycium Z boosted Trick Room so that it can use Hypnosis later. I recommend adding support such as Incineroar (Fake Out) and Ogerpon-W (Follow Me) as well. If you follow my advice so far, I would say Mega Salamence (Dragon Dance) would be a nice final touch to your team.

[random wadi]

https://pokepast.es/c17e138d59ba1372 I admit I stole that latios set from a sample

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @worthy fjord, @low ruin, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[turbid terrace]

I got rid of crecellia for Bronzong and ammoongus for incin, but mega Salamence just didn't fit the team well at all, more of a liability so I replaced it with mega Mawile

[upbeat beacon]

For laddering purposes, that's fine. Ddance mence should be really bulky.

[atomic salmon]

Looks good, well done

Prob consider triple axel over zen headbutt on m gallade that’s about it

[random wadi]

is dark still hell to be against?

[atomic salmon]

specs lele + scarf boulder basically just farms the mu, mainly lele. the whole gameplan is basically utilizing slow pivoting with slowbro to bring in lele each time to claim a life

zen headbutt is useless in dark mu anyways lol

[random wadi]

Ok then, is there any concerning mu?

[atomic salmon]

electric always annoying, dragon, Flying

[scenic gate]

im a bit new to competitive pokemon and i managed to get a few wins with this team

gen 9 national dex ubers team:https://pokepast.es/0456149ae3f4fc6e

so im here to ask you guys...is this team good? and does it need any improvements perhaps?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Ubers RMT @crimson obsidian, @distant hearth, @pallid oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[scenic gate]

id appreciate any suggestions :3

[random wadi]

yeah...I'll be completely honest here, nothing in this team is viable

[scenic gate]

be honest as much as you want dude im new here 😭

just help me improve this team im lucky i got off a few wins with it

[random wadi]

rule of the thumb in ubers in general, if your whole team can be used in OU it's more then likely not good

honest my best advice here is check the sample to get an idea of the tier since this team is basically unfixable unless you change it whole