NatDex Other Tiers

[low juniper]

Go back to #1059714627384115290

Ur just another beta

[random bluff]

But it isn't ou 😔

[low juniper]

It is 😢

U tagged it as ou

On the paste

[random bluff]

no icdint??

[low juniper]

Yeh u did

It says

[random bluff]

Sunrain team https://pokepast.es/70d007dfeb8ebb86

[low juniper]

Gen9nationaldex

Where the team name is

[random bluff]

Yeah not ou

[low juniper]

That's ndou

Same thing

[random bluff]

huh

[low juniper]

National dex ou?

[low juniper]

.

[random bluff]

I don't play ndou.. 😢

[low juniper]

Then why did u tag it as ndou...

[random bluff]

no i DIDN'T !!!!!🤬

Anyways sunrain team again
https://pokepast.es/70d007dfeb8ebb86

[low juniper]

Yuh huh

Wait what's this for then

If not ndou

[random bluff]

National dex

[low juniper]

So national dex ou?

Then #1059714627384115290

[random bluff]

I'm wrong but wanna keep arguing?

[low juniper]

Ok but I'll argue abt the sunrain team u just posted

Uhhh

[random bluff]

Yipee

[low juniper]

Make up ur mind are u sun or rain

U can't be both

[random bluff]

I'm so cool I use both rain and sun

[low juniper]

But that's way worse than just running full sun

Or full rain

Cuz the only mon that benefits from both is

Walking wake

And ig volcanion

[random bluff]

Volcanion

..and castform

[low juniper]

But that's not rlly an offensive move

[low juniper]

Ew no

That guy sucjs

So does ludicolo

[random bluff]

😦

[low juniper]

And why torkooal just use mega charizard y

Y

[random bluff]

I like turtles

[low juniper]

Brah

Torkoal sucks...

U got no tailwind either

This team insta loses to trick room

No protect..

[random bluff]

😓

Hey gueswhat

[low juniper]

Tera normal castform 🥶🥶

[low juniper]

What

[low juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/knee-slapper-laughing-laughing-and-crying-laughing-hysterically-gif-21595278

I ain't rating this!

[random bluff]

You will be destroyed

[low juniper]

Ok agility extreme Speed pikachu is crazy

[low juniper]

Can u stop trollijg

[random bluff]

how am i trolling

[sonic summit]

r u asking for help or advice for a team

if u are telling yourself "no" this is not the place for you

[low juniper]

Don't feed the trolls guys...

[hazy remnant]

National Dex IS National Dex OU (NDOU)

[covert comet]

who’s the troll

[distant hearth]

"National Dex" refers to both the family of metagames that remove the dexit/movexit limitations, and the OU-kind of NatDex as well

[mild stratus]

https://pokepast.es/dddb19692804ab3f

some stuff i put together

for ag

[solemn zodiac]

this loses to everything imaginable in ndag

reminder that ndag is the same tier where z-moves/tera calyrex-s, mega rayquaza, z-move miraidon, encore mega gengar, tera shedinja and revivecats exist

[mild stratus]

its just for fun

also its for a roblox pokemon game sooo

there is no teras in that

and doesnt really have gen 9 power creep

or mega ray or primals

[tropic scroll]

read the rules

[mild stratus]

??

[tropic scroll]

i dont think what i said was fairly hard to understand

there are rules to posting in the rmt

this is one of them

this happens to be another

[mild stratus]

ok

[pearl scroll]

https://pokepast.es/b21cb8cc8066a79f

Monodark, I’ve played SV mono before and even parted in a suspect test, but that was with mono steel and I wanna try out natdex.

Is lokix still viable here?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pearl scroll]

I am using this in a tournament, and likelyhood of me facing a monodark mirror is very likely

So if possible, can yall find me some tech for the mirror matchups?

Because opposing mega sableye kinda just comes in and walls everything with wisp and stuff

[pearl scroll]

Yeah mega sableye kinda just clicks wisp on the whole team and walls everything

I really need something for the mirror matches for this occasion

Oh and Tapu lele

That things owns me, Hard

[atomic salmon]

Sup fam i mean the team is pretty straight forward, just lacking special attackers + speed control thus i would add in a scarf greninja over bisharp.

• for tech against mirror matches not really much you can do out side of actually making a more monothreat style dark team.
• Nasty Plot Mandibuzz, Substitute Grimsnarl, pangoro etc. but that just leaves you vulnerable against other match ups haha and hardly ever worth it unless you are 100 percent sure your going against dark.

But anywho, having both Meow + Gren really just saves your ass in many more match ups, you now offensively check fairy, flying, water, ground, etc with just those two mons. I honestly think lokix is a flop on dark and just better off on bug teams, so replacing lokix and bisharp with greninja and meowscarada show be the play. for the rest of the team not really much to say pretty straight forward.

https://pokepast.es/f5ca33e5801b6f60 heres a monothreat dark team when i teamed with elvira during ndmpl

[pearl scroll]

Thanks! My internet broke so I wasn’t able to respond in time!

[pearl scroll]

Oh nice, speaking of that monothreat team can you tell me how to use it? Looks really cool to me

And yes, I am facing monodark

It’s confirmed

[atomic salmon]

basically the run down was leading with lokix, playing aggresive with lokix, you can also lead with grimm if you want too. each time your opponent sableye tried to wisp you you just go into your mandibuzz and set up a free nasty plot. thats basically it honestly its set up spam. haha

[pearl scroll]

Nice

[buoyant jolt]

https://pokepast.es/68b5004b7860cc7a

not the most knowledgable on NDRU building but I wanted to be crazy :3

[crimson obsidian]

@sonic summit

[craggy heart]

https://pokepast.es/53d8f2c3077af63a love to use this team

[tropic scroll]

this looks like

the neon sample

but with a sash marsh and a sash ray

Why

both sets are awful

sash marsh is a worse ditto

sash ray is a waste of a slot

[craggy heart]

firstly i was trying out sash ray

that wasnt the actual set i was running

secondly im running marshadow to avoid sweepers like a 1.5x calyrex ice in tr

[craggy heart]

what is a neon sample

dude i just make random teams

for fun

[craggy heart]

yea im running band mar now

[craggy heart]

oh shit i just checked it out

theyre literally the same shit

how did i make a team thats literally the same as the neon sample

[craggy heart]

Also this is one of the only two teams I use here's the second

https://pokepast.es/b86545b9dd844038

[crimson obsidian]

you don't need crunch on zacian and perhaps it would be good to check the strategy dex for some better EV spreads

[craggy heart]

wdym better ev spreads

which ev spreads are bad

[dry ridge]

National Dex Ubers (Gen 9)

• Sample Teams
• Teambuilding Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Viability Rankings
• C&C Forum

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[crimson obsidian]

Giratina-O usually invests in some bulk and speed on physical sets

[craggy heart]

yes ik that here I went for full offense

[crimson obsidian]

it would work better with a dedicated lead

the extra offense doesn't make a difference and the bulk helps

[craggy heart]

Idek what the ev spreads are for

[crimson obsidian]

i.e. tina-o can't 2hko 252/0 arceus formes w polt even if it is 252+

[craggy heart]

Went with a little bulk set

[craggy heart]

It's proven to be useless over time ig

[crimson obsidian]

generally it is sd / stab move / wild charge / cc or tb ground

[craggy heart]

i see

tb ground hits pdon

wild charge is better than crunch

hits more things

sd zac makes lots of sense

any other complaints with the team

needa sack tera steel for tera fairy asw on gira

[crimson obsidian]

zacian-c is usually tera fighting or ground depending on its coverage

[craggy heart]

just ran tera ground rn

absolutely demolished a team

dude i went for so long without seeing any strategy guide

[crimson obsidian]

The strategy dex has been mostly done for a little bit now

[tropic scroll]

why do u want to use sash ray outside of ho

[tropic scroll]

u can do that with band

[tropic scroll]

vs tr you can literally just tera to rk with marsh, or chip it in the range of unteraed sneak, or waste tr turns which are not hard

with sash marsh is useless vs every other single playstyle, and possibly tr if they set rocks or they chip marsh

or if they just swap out of caly lol

not like spectral even ohkoes lol with a +1 boost

[low juniper]

Why do u want to use sash ray

In general

[tropic scroll]

idk but its prob usable on ho

as a lead

[solemn zodiac]

i mean rocks dd 2a doesnt seem that bad

or rocks taunt 2a

idk if ray gets taunt i forgor

[distant hearth]

Rayquaza does not get Taunt

[solemn zodiac]

:despair:

[low juniper]

Nah that sucks

[final stirrup]

National Dex draft team:
https://pokepast.es/600213bce9d54b4f
If you have suggestions about improving the team with different sets, or replacing pokemon with the ones I've drafted, let me know

[low juniper]

....how are we supposed to help with a draft team if

A. We dont know what your full draft is
B. We dont know what your opponent's draft is
C. We dont know the rules of the draft

Also

[dry ridge]

Draft (Gen 9)

• Discord
• General Discussion
• Resources
• Spreadsheet Archive
• Simple Questions Simple Answers
• Pokémon Showdown! Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[final stirrup]

oh right, having the rest of my drafted team for reference would be helpful haha, I'll get the remainder of the team list

ok, remainder of my team in no particular order:
Electross
Goodra-H
Heracross(fighting; ghost)
Slowking
Weezing-G
Binacle

first round opponent draft picks:
Dragonite
Clefable
coviknight
Kleavor
Hariyama(Steel, normal, dark)
Ogrepon(fire mask)
Electrode-H(Ice Fairy)
Tentacruel
Greninja
Golurk
Naci

[sonic summit]

we don't rate draft teams, idk why sami was leading u on

[hazy remnant]

i thought we did

i remember asking and heard as long as the draft sheet was supplied it was fine

[solemn zodiac]

wasnt there literally a draft rmt channel or am i having a mandela effect

[low juniper]

[leaden bolt]

this is... honestly good draft icl i really like it, ur opps is better but still

[hazy remnant]

there’s no hazards and one fairy kinda melts through it all (alolash is mildly fraudulent)

[low juniper]

BREEZAI SLANDER?

Also it's kinda slow

[crisp flume]

natdex doubles rainbow pledge team
https://pokepast.es/f41e52ea877fa1e1

i've been doing ok with it having never played on that ladder before

i might change thunder to tbolt on victini bc of how much sun there is

[crisp flume]

tapu fini has icium z haze to get rid of evoboost passes and recover all of its hp if it needs to

[leaden bolt]

https://pokepast.es/3123cb00eaadc4cf
i dont like deoxys here but i need a spatker, suggestions?

[crisp flume]

you can use deoxys attack

the extra bulk on regular deoxys isn't gonna do much for you

[hazy remnant]

use deoxys attack over deoxys

life orb

or powerherb meteorbeam

You forgot your tera types btw

Manual troom calyice isnt that good afaik but i could be wrong on that

[leaden bolt]

ok

[tropic scroll]

sami is typing

listen to him unless he says gdarm is good

or zekrom or kyub

[leaden bolt]

https://pokepast.es/71ec621ce292722e

[leaden bolt]

oh sorry didnt see that

[low juniper]

use deoxys-s over grimmsnarl cuz the latter cant taunt defog yveltal, also u dont even have taunt how do u stop opposing leads from doing anything

go tera fighting on zacc

dont use solo trick room caly-i that guy sets up on nothing and just dies to marshadow/sucker yvel next turn, ur better off using a special attacker like pyogre or mbeam etern

deoxys-a sucks here too cuz screens basically does nothing for it cuz its so frail, and u need priority + taunt user so go sucker yvel

https://pokepast.es/941f48c73bdee8a4

[distant hearth]

Meteor Beam Deoxys-A sucks outside of Psychic Terrain teams, yes, and Tera Dark does nothing for it

[leaden bolt]

okay

ty

[low juniper]

u could go facade mmence over roost

[crimson obsidian]

This team needs another special attacker besides Deo-A imo

also sash deo-a aint it

neither is otr caly-i

OTR Caly-I is trash imo, but it'd be better alongside tspikes / screen / recover / stab etern on some sort of bo

even then ndm is probably better

though it legitimately does appreciate grimm as a screener over deo-s

[pallid oriole]

calyrex ice is good on paper, but theres like 5000 mons that do its job that arent ice type

[crimson obsidian]

eh otr caly-i is generally outclassed by otr ndm yeah

band caly-i doesn't really have a replacement if you actually build with it properly imo

trick + aroma + that raw damage + the bulk esp after tera is role compression that can't be found elsewhere

[hollow valve]

https://pokepast.es/aef576c42c5f9f49 nat dex ubers ladder team, i aint changing giritina cause im trying to get my fav mon to top 500 but any other mons id be fine to change, its a balance team though

[solemn zodiac]

what does the urshifu do

what does the lando do (with lorb)

whys the pdon bulk up body press

[leaden bolt]

i just realized pdon means primal groudon

[crisp flume]

should probably run brick break on groudon if you want a fighting move since you don't have any def investment, but i think you'd rather run heat crash or fire punch because they're stab and sun boosted
you can run adamant on urshifu if you're scarfed, unless you need to outspeed something specific with jolly

[low juniper]

If u wanna use giratina base then just load stall

Its too passive to do anything else

If u dont like stall use giratina-o

[low juniper]

Dont run brick break

[crisp flume]

i said if they want a fighting move

[low juniper]

No reason for a fighting move

[crisp flume]

exactly that's why i proceeded to recommend fire punch/heat crash

tera types are also pretty odd
why tera fire urshifu and grass arceus
and idk if it's normal for primal groudon to run stellar tera but it seems odd

[low juniper]

Groudon cant tera anyways

Urshifu just sucks

[crisp flume]

i don't play natdex ubers so i just assumed it could
it's like the fakest format

[low juniper]

This whole team is walled by hooh

Aside from pdon

Which gets stuffed by giratina instead

[crisp flume]

groudon can also run swords dance instead of bulk up

honestly last time i used pdon i ran hone claws stone edge

[tropic scroll]

please dont offer advice if you domt play the tier / know enough about the tier to do so

all you are doing is further misinforming them

[crisp flume]

i played it at the beginning of the gen and a bit during gen 8 but yeah i wouldn't say i know a lot so that's fair

[tropic scroll]

Yeah well its clear your knowledge still isnt enough based on what your recommending

[crisp flume]

does rhydon get any moves other than double edge that actually make use of rock head/reckless

[leaden bolt]

rhydon deez nuts

😎

[crisp flume]

funny name for a move

[crimson obsidian]

If giratina is your favourite mon and you have to run it you'll be limited to stall

If you giratina-o just as much you're a bit luckier

[hollow valve]

Ah, alright thanks for the feedback, ill give it a try and see hiw it works out.

[crimson obsidian]

Well we can pretty easily help with making a giratina-o team

Giratina is a lot more limited

[distant hearth]

You can basically make a Giratina-O + Alomomola core then build from there

[crimson obsidian]

Yeah, I figured I'd see if there was interest in something specific b/c general tina-o offense w/o mola is still quite good

[vagrant wadi]

https://pokepast.es/f46ff0642cb93507 NDUU

probably could do scarf kleavor instead right

made that team in like 3 min i doubt its that great + i noticed i need a spatker lmao

i dont need kleavor i guess

[sonic summit]

mega medicham is not legal in nduu

[vagrant wadi]

js wonder which typing would be most needed for spa in that

oh fr?

which mega do u think can replace that

[low juniper]

It's ou

[low juniper]

Or uubl

[vagrant wadi]

i see

[low juniper]

Not mega but mienshao ig

[sonic summit]

im kinda confused on how this is a shocker since it doesnt even show up in thw builder

also ye u dont rly need a mega evo

in ndui

[vagrant wadi]

nah i never do mega from teambuilder i build the set

uu*

hmm

i mean ive been thinking whether pinsir would be good or na for that

[low juniper]

(Kid named clicking "Validate")

[vagrant wadi]

smh i didnt check it

[low juniper]

Mega pinsir is also banned...

[vagrant wadi]

wtf

[low juniper]

Pls do not use base pinsir

[vagrant wadi]

what was i looking at one second

i wont

[sonic summit]

again u dont need a mega evo on every team

mienshao is prob fine here

[vagrant wadi]

kk ye

i was lf that prio move

but what special atker would be good fo this

[sonic summit]

Iron Boulder would be better than Kleavor here too

[vagrant wadi]

yeah true but then ill get completely walled by phys defs

im thinking of swapping it since tinglu gets rocks anyway

[sonic summit]

u have Iron Moth here that should be fine

[vagrant wadi]

oh right lmao

[sonic summit]

just give it boots with uturn

[vagrant wadi]

yep

[sonic summit]

uturn moth + uturn shao is insanely annoying to deal with

[vagrant wadi]

also correct me if im wrong, every team in nduu is very defensive based right

[sonic summit]

no

[vagrant wadi]

this set or physical atk based

[sonic summit]

where did this set even come from 😵‍💫

[vagrant wadi]

smogon..

[sonic summit]

NDUU should have sets on site

and this shouldnt be a set on there, just run Life Orb or smth

[vagrant wadi]

its the only set on there 😅

ait ait

full on atk or a bit of defense?

[sonic summit]

atk with jolly

[vagrant wadi]

kk

does the moveset off that ^ work tho

[sonic summit]

u want close combat

over hjk

[vagrant wadi]

knock off good?

[sonic summit]

yes

[vagrant wadi]

i was tryna msg u a few days ago ab helping me build 1 of these teams XD

[sonic summit]

yes I didnt respond cuz u were vauge and I was busy sry

[vagrant wadi]

do u see any specific threats on this rn? kleavor is open for switching still, dont rly need 2 mons with rocks i guess

yeah all good, i was told to msg u in comp general

someone pinged u and told me to msg u ab it

[sonic summit]

i would drop skarmy for Slowbro

[vagrant wadi]

ait ait

[sonic summit]

cuz steela + skarmy is redundant

and its a good pivot to get Bouldrr in

[vagrant wadi]

oh right lmao mybad didnt notice

yep

is mega slowbro viable at all? im assuming it dont got regenerator anymore

k ye nvm it dont

[sonic summit]

mega bro only works on super fat stuff not this

[vagrant wadi]

yeah

i made a meme team with calm mind iron defense mega slowbro stored power

[sonic summit]

idk what the current paste looks like but u should be fine enough?

with the advice given

[vagrant wadi]

one sec ill show u rq

theres one spot open since i dont need kleavor ig

[sonic summit]

if u think that ur still struggling vs a lot of fast mons then u can go scarf shao

[vagrant wadi]

https://pokepast.es/b7b48096bd16caf2

[sonic summit]

over lorb

[vagrant wadi]

bet bet

[sonic summit]

i said boulder over Kleavor

[vagrant wadi]

ah mb lol

ty ill go try it out 😄

[sonic summit]

u still needs boots uturn moth here

[vagrant wadi]

oh shi

i forgot to swap

what move do u think uturn is best to swap on

[sonic summit]

Ting-Lu also prob wants Ruination or Heavy Slam over Spikes

[vagrant wadi]

dazzling gleam?

true true

[sonic summit]

Dgleam ye

[vagrant wadi]

ill go w heavy slam

i dont rock these usually in ndou XD

only one ive used on ndou is moth and slowbro, slowbro back in 2018 😂

[vagrant wadi]

you think this team would be enough to win a pretty small tournament?

[sonic summit]

probably ye

[vagrant wadi]

bet ty for help ❤️

you a real one

[velvet vigil]

Do anyone has a good Nat dex Monotype Team?

[distant hearth]

Would recommend to start with the sample teams
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/natdex-monotype-sample-teams-indigo-disk-open.3733806/post-9920936

[velvet vigil]

Thanks

[vagrant wadi]

need yo help once more if ur free 🙏

https://pokepast.es/121db5d8a0c39048 need help if this is a viable team for a tournament or if someone whos experienced with nduu would see smth that wont work or better swap

1 rule we were told is no iron boulder but that shouldnt be that big of a deal, mainly bc too unbalanced in their opinion lmao

[tropic scroll]

wrong channel

[low juniper]

#1059714627384115290

[unreal axle]

thanks

[high bloom]

I made this team for a UU nat dex draft tournament at my college, I'm trying to get my feedback to see if this team is good or not https://pokepast.es/610d74d5f3b80bbb

[sonic summit]

u got a zmove on gren that does nothing

[sonic summit]

we dont rate draft teams unfort

[high bloom]

ah ok

thanks anyways

[wheat ember]

https://pokepast.es/b0f0fd40d5c3bc56 (Natdex Ubers)
Is this team any good?

[solemn zodiac]

i feel like there are better HO mons than

4a lorb fmane and band pheromosa

[distant hearth]

Pheromosa and Flutter Mane seem out of place for this team

[wheat ember]

anything you would you recommend instead?

[crimson obsidian]

as bob said, pheromosa and flutter mane are out of place on this team, also why is arceus tera bug?

I'd recommend trying out ultra necrozma and meteor beam eternatus

[solar veldt]

https://pokepast.es/4e12b665b00c0765 (NatDex Ubers)
I made a semistall team, however it keeps losing to necrozma-ultra

can I get some suggestions

[pallid oriole]

your problem is that you are using gliscor to stall in ubers

[distant hearth]

Gliscor lacks the bulk to be consistent at doing much, I would recommend to use Primal Groudon instead

[crimson obsidian]

The issue isn't using stall / semistall. Theyre both viable and bob has been the major person behind semistall existing again which it hasn't really since korai was banned

fwiw i think stealth rock ndm is close to unviable

there are a lot of things to change about this team, but what do the zygarde evs do?

[solar veldt]

zygarde is mainly to cleanup/even sweep at an opening, w defense evs helping it tank some hits

[solar veldt]

I replaced pdon w gliscor💀 since pdon doesnt have good recovery

[crimson obsidian]

Gliscor dies to almost everything though

[crimson obsidian]

if you're going to do this the dragon dance set would work signifcantly better

but yeah this team isn't a tweak a small thing or two and its fixed

if you're interested in building a semistall team I'd highly recommend reading through this rmt bob did a little bit ago

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/natdex-ubers-chien-pao-balance-peaked-top-3-in-ladder-1821-elo.3747587/

its a wieird team (no arceus and no pdon but the latter isn't mandatory on semistall) that looks godawful, but works because of the thought put into and reading about how it came together/functions might help

[ivory delta]

I think I've peaked. I can't even think of a way I can improve on this.

https://pokepast.es/ae6ebf9238e92cee

[pearl scroll]

what does hammer arm hit

nothing

maybe darkceus but heat crash and pblades are stronger anyways

or enough

also maybe mental herb normalceus is better idk

[crimson obsidian]

yeah it is

[distant hearth]

The EV spreads for everything but Primal Groudon here are also suboptimal, I would recommend to check the spreads given by the dex

[leaden bolt]

also

band caly is shite

just use sd tera fire tr caly

[solemn zodiac]

surely not in TR

in TR you wanna blow up shit you cant waste turns

[ivory delta]

yeah I really can't imagine any reason as to why swords dance would be better

you only get 3 turns to blast shit into space why would you want to make it 2

[leaden bolt]

just sd turn 1 and then trick room next turn to sweep

it has insane bulk

[leaden bolt]

same shit if you dont ohko in 1 move

besides

if u KO something

then opp switches into a resistant mon

ur forced to switch, cuz ur choice locked

same amount of moves wasted

[solemn zodiac]

ok look why go through all the hassle of setting tr with your other mons if you just do this

the point is that you don't have to eat 2 moves before sweeping you just get it in and nuke shit

[low juniper]

No

[low juniper]

Loses to tera water zygarde

Also where are ur tera types

Surely u do not want tera psychic caly

[low juniper]

Just go pyogre over melm

[crimson obsidian]

trick room is shit and so is otr caly-i

otr caly-i works very rarely on some HO squads, but is outclassed by otr ndm outside of that and nearly impossible to fit on HO squads anyways as you

1. need a turn to tr, a turn to sd, and to burn tera b/c it isn't going to live that long otherwise

2. can do the same thing w [insert ho mon here] in most games

b/c caly-i isn't ohking much before that unless the team is very very chipped and it doesn't have a ton of power v most teams w any bulk

it was pretty funny to see it brought in ndfl and then ferro had a use v ho beyond being a sac although it did die to an unlucky crit (and would have been revenged by ferro after anyways if it had setup tr)

[tropic scroll]

Erm

Band is fine

[tropic scroll]

N otr caly is ntb

But i wouldnt run sd on it if it was on Tr

[crimson obsidian]

ngl you can make a case for band lance sd trick swords dance seed bomb on tr

[low juniper]

why seed bomb just go horsepower

[crimson obsidian]

tera water zyg

when I was doing the analysis I brought it up b/c it was really funny that

tricking zyg the choice band actually let it 2hko everything

[opal pelican]

any1 got ndru team

[pearl scroll]

Wrong channel

[viral scarab]

Arcanine-Hisui @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Rock Head
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Reversal
• Head Smash
• Endure
• Flare Blitz

Toxtricity @ Throat Spray
Ability: Punk Rock
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Boomburst
• Charge Beam
• Overdrive
• Shift Gear

Salamence @ Wide Lens
Ability: Moxie
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Tail
• Dragon Rush
• Aerial Ace
• Roost

Altaria @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Defog
• Heal Bell
• Moonblast
• Dragon Pulse

Cinccino @ Metronome
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

• Fake Tears
• Tail Slap
• Laser Focus
• Echoed Voice

Drifblim @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Aftermath
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Magic Coat
• Strength Sap
• Toxic
• Curse

accidentally put this in ou instead of here lol

[crimson obsidian]

You should put your team in a pokepaste per rule 2: Share your team importable via Pokepaste. (https://pokepast.es/) Make sure to post in the correct channel for your team! If it's a channel with multiple formats like ⁠OM Rates or #"Old Gens OU", also specificy the corresponding metagame. Please make sure that you test the team beforehand.

[rigid python]

how would this do? any improvements? https://pokepast.es/6e77e5763336f6f7

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[atomic salmon]

Hey team looks dope however a few changes can be made.

• no attacks skarm is just bad, especially with no type of recover to try and stall out turns with toxic, you also never want to be put in a position where your last mon is skarm and you cant do nothing against ur op due to not being able to attack it lol. can be stealth rock, spikes, b press, and roost.

• Corviknight @ Leftovers
  Ability: Pressure
  EVs: 252 HP / 94 Def / 164 SpD
  Impish Nature

• Iron Head

• U-turn

• Defog

• Roost
  Allows corvi to avoid 2hko from m lopunny and specs gren's ice beam. Iron is here as well to deal with fairy better which this teams seems like it struggles with.

• for gliscor, u can keep the set but change evs to 244 HP / 20 Def / 236 SpD / 8 Spe Jolly nature. Outspeed Modest Raging bolt while avoiding an ohko from band victini V create.

• instead of moltres, i feel the team would appreciate m charizard y more. its wallbreaking opens up holes in opp teams so D nite can win late way easier.
  Can do Flamethrower or fire blast, solar beam, focus blast or Scorching Sand, and Roost or HP electric if you want to just handle the water matchup even better.

• Dragonite is fine just change it to Jolly nature so you outspeed tapu koko and zeraora after a boost.

• lastly i would change staraptor into scarf enamorus. offensively handling kommo-o and specs greninja, great speed control and healing wish support is incredible for the team.

Hope these helps, like i said earlier dope team and like always happy gaming

[rigid python]

woah thanks for the help!

[rigid python]

btw if i want to play without a mega charizard, but a normal charizard, is that still better than moltres?

and btw what moves and stats n held item do iget for enamorus

[atomic salmon]

oh then keep moltres then just change the evs to EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 Spe
Bold Nature
If you see problems with the team during battles dont be afraid to tweak it. and flame body over pressure

[atomic salmon]

Enamorus (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Moonblast
• Earth Power
• Superpower
• Healing Wish

[rigid python]

woah thanks u know alot abt this

[rigid python]

and btw wbout this

[rigid python]

ah nvm u alr reacted to it

[rigid python]

the problem is tho... im competing with alot of friends who can make the best team but we are only allowed one legendary in the team

so thats why i wanted to add enamorus and get charizard

@atomic salmon ?

[atomic salmon]

these rules really just hinder building for no reason but. i guess, i dont really know what regular charizard provides which is why i encourage m zard.

[atomic salmon]

u could possibly just do like 3 attacks + roost on regular charizard but again highly encourage m zard,

happy gaming!

[rigid python]

thank yoiu! rn i run life orb, scorching snad, solar beam, fire blast and roost on charizard

[atomic salmon]

if you find stealth rock being a huge problem against u. consider heavy-duty boots on charizard

[atomic salmon]

wouldnt do solar beam since you have no way of activating sunny day with regular. i would just put hidden power electric in that slot or focus blast

[rigid python]

https://pokepast.es/e2e76c4f588edf93 can any1 help improve this?

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant hearth]

I can already tell that most of the Pokemon in the team aren't viable to begin with (for example, Probopass is too passive, Scarf Lycanroc is way too much Speed control and will ironically be a momentum sink once it's unable to even KO what it wants (which will happen often as its Atk is lacking), the team does not even try to mitigate some weaknesses for Rock-types, and thus can just be 6-0ed by Fighting- and Grass-types), I would recommend to just grab a sample team

[rigid python]

damn..

[rigid python]

where are the sampleteams

[dry ridge]

National Dex Monotype (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[rigid python]

What rock pokemon resists fighting

[distant hearth]

Because of Monotype limitations, the focus usually isn't on actual resists, but on neutralities, preferably those that can offensively pressure such foes
Anyways, I would recommend Mega Diancie and Iron Boulder

[rigid python]

what abpout vs a scizor with bullet punch and sword dance

[low juniper]

hisuian arcanine

or coalossal

[rigid python]

well i just started with a shuckle, he sword danced i switch to hisuan arcanine, he mega evolves bullet punch and i die

[rigid python]

https://pokepast.es/e62825da4fcf428d

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rigid python]

what should i change

should i get carbink instead of regirock? i dont like using mega diancie

[low juniper]

idrk monotype very well so i cant suggest major changes but u can use the samples

https://pokepast.es/874e00ede0a0eb5f
https://pokepast.es/4cb0675a8c8a3413

these should do better with scizor i think

at least the first one idk abt the second

[runic sage]

Samples are a bit outdated. This is what standard rock looks like atm https://pokepast.es/a5223dc2ab235dbb

Mscizor is always going to be a problem for the type especially when you're going webs and you're not able to fit smth like coalossal (it's a bad pokemon regardless). Just keep arcanine healthy, alternative item can be boots and you can drop sub for cc

Omastar also is neutral vs steel and shell smash can nuke that type so you can keep that healthy

[rigid python]

wpuldnt morning sun be useless if u dont have substitute

[runic sage]

If you go boots it works a bit better without the sub since it's not taking rocks

You can recover on mscizor swapping out or anything else you threaten

[rigid python]

yeah but if he starts w scizor, and i start w shuckle, how do i safely switch to omastar without me dying

[rigid python]

ah alr

[low juniper]

u could just not lead shuckle

or u can encore turn 1 and lock it into swords dance

[rigid python]

i need sticky webs tho rock lacks speed

[low juniper]

u can bring it in later its bulky enough to live most things

[rigid python]

i can do that ye

[rigid python]

what should i lead with if no shuckle

[low juniper]

harcanine or omatsra

omastar

[rigid python]

https://pokepast.es/7e7e7f0c3da03430 wbout this

so i took that sample team but switched diancie for hisuan arcanine

[runic sage]

You never swap out diancie or you just lose to Fighting without having a chance

The sample teams are not up to date

[rigid python]

is landorus still viable in a flying mono team if it isnt therian, for my flying team

[runic sage]

Yes landorus is one of flying best breakers

[rigid python]

even without therian?>

[runic sage]

You don't really need lando t when gliscor exists

Hence you can go normal lando

[rigid python]

what moveset should i use on normal lando

[runic sage]

Nasty plot earth power focus blast sludge wave

[rigid python]

https://pokepast.es/3a15f944dc034ea9

should i switch enamorus for landorus? im competing w my friends to make best flying team, but we only allowed to use one legendary and no megas

[runic sage]

I would just keep the enamorus

[rigid python]

is it better than the landorus?

[runic sage]

Yes as speed control with a choice Scarf

[rigid python]

alr

[low juniper]

life orb charizard

[rigid python]

is that bad

i cant use megas

[low juniper]

yeah

u take 50% from rocks

and recoil from life orb

[rigid python]

should i replace the charizard if i cant use megas with something else

or just get heavy duty boots

[low juniper]

replace it with moltres with boots

[rigid python]

i can only use one legendary and got enamorus already

[low juniper]

why

[rigid python]

.

[low juniper]

!nolegends

[dry ridge]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[rigid python]

aww

[rigid python]

what about tswitch charizard for talonflame

[runic sage]

I'll just add this thing since I forgot about !nolegends but sd boots talonflame can be tried

[rigid python]

alr thanks, ill use sword dance, brave bird, falre blitz and roost

[rigid python]

https://pokepast.es/696c7c462d5fe928 im missing something vs ground/water types.. i need grass move

[rigid python]

grass knot on enamorus instead of healing wish?

[pearl scroll]

upper hand talonflame is some crazy tech

[rigid python]

Kingambit

[pearl scroll]

but i seriously dont get why the heck would you guys have some stupid one legend or no legend rule

like seriously articuno and regigigas are not op

[pearl scroll]

just use defensive talonflame, or better yet just use moltres

[low juniper]

What kingambit brah

Wait

Nvm i thought this was ndou

[pearl scroll]

consider lando incarnate

best flying type breaker fr

flying got so many good options but whoever that came up with this no legend or one legend rule is dumb

[rigid python]

I thought enamorus would be better if i can choose one legend so i have speed control

[pearl scroll]

once again i ponder about their thought process on that ruling

[crimson obsidian]

If people want to have fun let them, you just can't expect people to help build a team for a one legend format or something

[ionic linden]

https://pokepast.es/67360b6dac3506f4 natdex uu, probably complete ass

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex UU RMT @sonic summit. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ionic linden]

beedrill is center

skarmory for hazards

excadrill against rock types, and hazard removal

skeledirge because fire type

scizor for pursuit stuff

rotom-wash against fire types

[ionic linden]

i want sd on scizor but i cant figure out what to remove

[low juniper]

Don't run beedrill

Use lokix

If u want speed control go scarf rotom

[ionic linden]

Wait what but m beedrill is an insane sweeper

[low juniper]

until rocks are up and then it gets revenge killed by everything

at least lokix has boots

and hits almost just as hard cuz of tinted lens

[sonic summit]

have u not loaded into like a single steel type or smth?

or any mon with booster energy or sand rush

or priority

etc

[ionic linden]

skeledirge and excadrill are my steel counters

[ionic linden]

none that can rly threaten my team

[sonic summit]

the way beedrill functions in NDUU makes this detrimental

if Mega Beedrill has to switch out then ur immediately at a disadvantage because it gives ur oppos the oppertunity to set rocks up and ruin it

threats like Celesteela and Skarmory will also just sit on it for days and overelying on Dirge (which needs heavyduty boots to work well in this tier) is not great because ur sinking a lot of momentum on it

when they can easily puinish the switch in with Leech or Spikes

[ionic linden]

but i have exca for removal

[sonic summit]

its horrible removal in the tier

especially since ur not even running lefites so it has terrible longevity

incapable of actually dealing with any of the settings long term

these are fairly decent Mega Beedrill comps @ionic linden
https://pokepast.es/ef809b0061cd71f2
https://pokepast.es/f172a877fb9f0744

but the team u have currently is not optimal in the tier at all

[crimson obsidian]

bee has been upgraded beyond meme status :O?

ngl I thought it was the mega banette / sashshadow of nduu

[sonic summit]

its pretty terrible on its own

[ionic linden]

not saying anything bad about these teams but

how tf does on euse magnezone

literally every steel type carries either eq or cc

[sonic summit]

can u repeat that but without the mispelling

oh

[ionic linden]

one use*

sry

[crimson obsidian]

can you at least look at the team, magnet rise

[sonic summit]

the steels u are targetting are OHKO'd by tbolt

anything else Beedrill can deal with on their own

the specific targets are Skarmory and Celesteela

which need to boltly predict zone coming in which on these comps is difficult

but Mbee teams are pretty difficult for new people to pilot anyways since it requires u to use ur pivots well and getting the oppo to bait in their Steel/Flying while simultaneously making sure Beedrill is healthy enough to do shit

[velvet vigil]

Greetings GentleMens

Can someone send a National Dex Gen 9 Team Ag with Miraidon?!

[low juniper]

No

[severe peak]

https://pokepast.es/c20e0cb6d9791b83
i feel like i want to replace zeraora. but i'm not too sure with who/

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex UU RMT @sonic summit. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[weary compass]

https://pokepast.es/2d1e503efedd70f8

Natdex Ubers

[pallid oriole]

ok, im not quite an expert on the format, but i still do know quite a bit about it, and i gotta say
pretty good team

the one thing id say is maybe drop rock tomb, but other than that, i got no advice for you

[crimson obsidian]

the team looks fine yeah

I'd go knock over sucker on yveltal

[distant hearth]

Adamant Marshadow isn't recommended as then it can't outspeed Arceus, which is a key target for it to check

[crimson obsidian]

and go with one of those two spreads on arceus-fairy

yeah adamant is not good on marsh

you also probably want poltergeist over rock tomb since this team does not care about ho-oh at all

[weary compass]

I actually care about it because I honestly have a skill issue

[distant hearth]

You have an entire Eternatus

[weary compass]

True.

I haven't played this metagame for a while

I'm still struggling against Meteor beam Eter.

So I'm looking for a good check

[distant hearth]

Against that one you should try to check first with PDon, then switch to Ho-Oh after it has used up the Power Herb, then phaze

[weary compass]

Also I'd like to ask what the spreads do? (Both)

Personally that might work. Obviously when it's paired with Zacian 80% doing that would be a death sentence.

[crimson obsidian]

tera poison arceus-fairy w 104 SpD evs lives meteor beam into dynamax cannon

you can also run wallbreaker eternatus aas well

but it sounds like tera poison taunt cm arceus dark may be more for you

w/ 248 hp / 4 def / 4 spa / 104 spd / 140+ speed

[weary compass]

I ended up going Sucker because I noticed that Marshadow barely missed out on a Necrozma-Ult KO with a shadow sneak

[crimson obsidian]

something like this maybe?

wait let me fix this

https://pokepast.es/1dbbfddff3b95339

primal groudon should run a relaxed nature with overheat

[weary compass]

I'll try it out. Although playing a team without Yveltal for the first time will feel quite weird.

[crimson obsidian]

you should have a better time against unecro

and this is also much better against stall

if ultra necrozma is looking to get out of hand just tera ghost on marshadow

[weary compass]

Thanks

(Also I've ran Adamant shadow for so long to the point that shadow feels much weaker then normal)

[velvet vigil]

.

[severe peak]

advice on natdex uu :(

[ornate matrix]

https://pokepast.es/0864b21a3474b410
this team might seem weird but let me explain
i have to make a team without any paradox mons
legendaries and my opponent is using a mega gengar team
any thoughts on how to fix this team?

also it on gen 6 mechanics with gen 7 balancing and gen 9 content

[low juniper]

!nolegends

[dry ridge]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[ornate matrix]

aw man

mb yall

[sonic summit]

will rate later patience please

[severe peak]

thx!

[velvet vigil]

.

[solemn zodiac]

not the place to ask for teams, try #comp-general #comp-general-2

[velvet vigil]

Thx

[ivory field]

old team I made for Natdex Ubers, is there anything I should worry about?

https://pokepast.es/60f2b28decf2df86

[hazy remnant]

fire punch on pdon is not good, youd rather overheat to nuke arc forms or heat crash
kyogre bald is not viable, use primal kyogre
Sash marshadow is not good, use life orb or choice band with low kick over close combat, with probably poltergeist over spectral thief and tera ghost
Tera water on fairyceus would serve you better, as well as tera steel yvel imo
Can’t comment on how good BU Marsh is on this team or defensive NDM since i dont use them. Your EVs are a bit off, I’d just rip those from the smogon analyses

[crimson obsidian]

^ a lot of this tema is unviable

as leavanny said, it would definitely be best to check the vr and the strategy dex

base kyogre and focus sash marshadow are unviable and defensive ndm is not good right now

[distant hearth]

More information on why these suck can be found on the article I did recently exactly on this kind of stuff, BTW
https://www.smogon.com/articles/natdex-ubers-use-dont

[dense badger]

can anyone rate this team
ping me bc i wont see otherwise

Diancie @ Diancite
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 28 Atk / 228 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Moonblast
• Diamond Storm
• Mystical Fire
• Stealth Rock

Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SpD
Impish Nature

• Power Whip
• Leech Seed
• Stealth Rock
• Body Press

Samurott-Hisui @ Black Glasses
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Ceaseless Edge
• Razor Shell
• Sucker Punch

Ceruledge @ Focus Sash
Ability: Weak Armor
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Bitter Blade
• Swords Dance
• Poltergeist
• Close Combat

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hydro Pump
• Volt Switch
• Will-O-Wisp
• Defog

Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Dual Wingbeat
• Earthquake
• Ice Spinner

[solemn zodiac]

!pokepaste

[dry ridge]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
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You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
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[pallid oriole]

this is non ou

[dense badger]

that's my national dex team

[pallid oriole]

Natdex non ou

[dense badger]

national dex not ou

the normal national dex

[pallid oriole]

national dex IS natdex ou

[dense badger]

isn't this a team rating channel

to get people's opinions

[pallid oriole]

yes, but this is the wrong one

[dense badger]

so then where do i send it

im confused now
everyone else sent their team here

[pallid oriole]

NatDex OU Rates

idk how to link channels, but search that in the general one

[solemn zodiac]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059714627384115290

[pallid oriole]

how do you do that

[dense badger]

with #

[pallid oriole]

thx

[solemn zodiac]

copy the link of the channel on top right

<#> cant link threads

[pearl scroll]

WHAT HAPPENED TO NDM DAMN

[crimson obsidian]

It's just defensive ndm

Offensive is still good

[pearl scroll]

isnt offensive ndm like super vulnerable to the second most used mon in the tier

[pallid oriole]

so is the best pokemon in the tier

[crimson obsidian]

Defensive ndm kinda loses to nearly everything and is a really bad rocker. Full defensive on one side is ok on a few teams. Dragon dance solg z is a very good breaker on Bo and some balances

[tropic scroll]

No zygarde has to tera to beat it

and only tera water

which means specifically tera water defensive

[buoyant jolt]

https://pokepast.es/b74f194405e7a3e9

[ivory field]

I didn't even know that existed so thanks

[severe peak]

it's been almost a week and I still don't have feedback...

unless y'all are busy

[buoyant jolt]

@sonic summit

[pearl scroll]

y know, as a fellow kirby fan i really wanna help...

but i cant...

[opaque pendant]

Natdex monotype steel team

yet to put anything on gholdengo but wanna know what others think of this https://pokepast.es/283acf5d737e2409

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worthy fjord]

You currently have 2 spiks, swap ferro spikes for sr (or vice versa)

Roar tran feels odd, esp when paired with sub. Whats the rationale behind this? Toxic might be better as you compound chip that way

Ice spinner wanted on Treads, because lando stinky

Also a bit vulnerable to wellspring pon

Kommo o mu can be fixed with fairium Ghol

[opaque pendant]

so fairium ghol and kommo but who do i switch out for kommo?

toxic instead of roar also roar is just there since smogon has it in the dex. i was a bit iffy of it myself.

[buoyant jolt]

neko said the matchup with kommo-o can be fixed by fairium ghol

[worthy fjord]

:'D
We'll fix that roar later, it works but its not supposed to be paired with sub

[upper geyser]

Deoxys-Speed @ White Herb
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Taunt
• Psycho Boost
• Stealth Rock
• Light Screen

Marshadow @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Shadow Sneak
• Spectral Thief
• Force Palm
• Rock Tomb

Kyurem-Black @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Teravolt
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Icicle Spear
• Fusion Bolt
• Dragon Dance
• Roost

Omastar @ White Herb
Ability: Weak Armor
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shell Smash
• Surf
• Substitute
• Ancient Power

Sneasler @ White Herb
Ability: Unburden
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Night Slash
• Dire Claw
• Close Combat
• U-turn

Blaziken-Mega @ Blazikenite
Ability: Speed Boost
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Protect
• Brave Bird
• Bulk Up
• Low Kick

How is this

[pallid oriole]

use low kick on marshadow

dont use omastar

you probably shouldnt use sneasler or blaziken

why does deoxys speed have attack ivs

[distant hearth]

White Herb for Psycho Boost is impractical as generally Deo-S is far more of a entry hazard or screens lead than a wallbreaker, use Deoxys-A instead for this sort of stuff (excluding screens, running only one is far more inconsistent anyways)

Marshadow should be Tera Ghost out of the notable damage output, Tera Normal only matters when facing other Marshadow, so it's rather situational

Kyurem-B seems out of place here, and the rest of the team is unviable, would recommend to check out a sample team so you may familiarize yourself more with the metagame

[solemn zodiac]

tera normal marsh is for the forbidden opposing tera normal lunala obviously smh

[distant hearth]

And then it dies to Psyshock or Moonblast anyways

[pearl scroll]

Also, pokepaste.

[upper geyser]

https://pokepast.es/103b26eacdff2061

Basically ashs team but I added some moves

[upper geyser]

Yeah that's the only reason i have tera normal for marshadow bc I keep seeing them

[distant hearth]

This sort of teams can't be rated as they aren't meant to be fully competitive
Plus any attempt for that would boil down to using a sample instead as none of the things here are viable

[upper geyser]

Oh ok

[upper geyser]

https://pokepast.es/6eebd9c604f89f34

[pallid oriole]

ok, this seems like it might be decent in uu-MAGEARNA?

alright, advice on this team:

start over

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-ubers-viability-rankings-update-7-at-post-279.3712169/

you can find information on this thread here

[gritty mauve]

Slurpuff @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 HP / 0 Def / 0 SpD
Naive Nature
Sticky Web
Yawn
Magic Coat
endeavor

Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
Earthquake
Iron Head
Stealth Rock
Toxic

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 52 Def / 100 SpD / 112 Spe
Jolly Nature
Earthquake
Stealth rock
Knock off
Roost

Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
Dragon Dance
Return
Earthquake
Roost

Azumarill @ Normalium Z
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
Belly Drum
Aqua Jet
Play Rough
Knock Off

Espeon @ Light Clay
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 4 Satk / 252 HP / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
Morning sun
Psyshock
Light screen
reflect

it is a good team?

[pallid oriole]

what format

[gritty mauve]

sm ou

[pallid oriole]

wrong thread

this is specifically not ou

[gritty mauve]

sorry

[pallid oriole]

try old gens ou

[random bluff]

So uhhhhh

https://pokepast.es/9588e1f00671bec0

[sonic sleet]

the pokemon here are all viable but the sets are sorta weird and they dont synergize that well with eachother

[random bluff]

Idk wat to do really

[sonic sleet]

ill help u out dw

first of all the team loses to raging bolt

[random bluff]

Kinda just edited my dou team

[sonic sleet]

one of my favorite pokemon to pair up with mega tar is scarf lando t

this guy is phenomenal and patches up a lot of the weaknesses of mega tar

lando t can go over incarnate

[random bluff]

This one
https://pokepast.es/8f696fff8ad39cfd

[sonic sleet]

zapdos here has a weird set and doesnt really do much

[random bluff]

I kinda just edited this

[sonic sleet]

there r a few options to go over zapdos here

fini, dracovish, or raging bolt

or even volcanion to be honest

[random bluff]

Zapdos is kinda just there to handle stuff ttar cant

[sonic sleet]

ye well lando is alrdy there for that

if you want to stick with wellspring id advise on going for tapu fini

[random bluff]

Yeah my problem with Lando is water pokemon

Both really

[sonic sleet]

u have wellspring u should be fine with waters, waters arent that omnipresent

[random bluff]

Yeah

[sonic sleet]

the two best waters are volc and fini and volc is like ground weak and shit

[random bluff]

Tbh I'm kinda underusing follow

[sonic sleet]

lastly id replace cress

ill get to the sets!

[random bluff]

But on another note FIGHTING TYPES

ESPECIALLY HANDS

Hooooo they're a problem if I don't have Lando to bail me out

[sonic sleet]

hands will be fine with your landorus therian

[random bluff]

Yeah

Also there's t room

My tar can't really do t room

None of them can

[sonic sleet]

as i said i will get to it

[random bluff]

Ok

[sonic sleet]

over cress i would like to go with your own iron hands

another fake out is good to pair with fini, and hands helps you in not getting shitstomped by stakataka

[random bluff]

Really?

[sonic sleet]

who is the best tr user

[random bluff]

I used to have cress there for any status

[sonic sleet]

you have fini now

[random bluff]

Ok

[sonic sleet]

okay so

onto the sets

your team sorta struggles with opposing fini (especially after tera dragon or poison which are common)

so, encore over follow me on ogerpon wellspring

punishes setup very well

then i will also change out the mtar set to better suit the meta

Tyranitar-Mega @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Atk / 88 SpD
Careful Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Stone Edge
• Knock Off
• Protect

ttars role here is to be good into sun and spam attacks

this spread helps it live two specs flutter moonblasts to the face

[random bluff]

Two?

Oh yeah two

What about fini

[sonic sleet]

Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 172 SpA / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Muddy Water
• Moonblast
• Protect

this will be the set we use, enough spatk to ohko stakataka with muddy water at +2

[random bluff]

Lastly I hands?

[sonic sleet]

standard av

https://pokepast.es/4fa825a394fc3458 @random bluff this is basically the paste

lando outspeeds deoxys attack

[random bluff]

Thx buddy

[devout escarp]

Helloo, a friend of mine and I are making teams composed of randomly chosen pokemon and I would like help building the team

im new to the server so imnnot sure if this is the right channel

SINISTEA- Shell Smash/white herb + baton pass

KLINK - i have no idea what to don with this guy. Maybe toxic + protect to stall a bit?

FLUYTER MANE - got lucky and got a meta Sweeper

ROCKRUFF - No idea. Maybe Sash+Endeavor?

DUBWOOL - Cotton Guard + Body press

SILVALLY - Physical attacker

[pearl scroll]

Wrong place

If you want help on this you are gonna have to hope somebody can help

In private

[distant hearth]

!pixelmon

[dry ridge]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[pearl scroll]

I don’t know much about ndmono, but I like how hoodra and arch synergizes so I wanna keep them.

https://pokepast.es/4238fa44ce87a5df

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pearl scroll]

This team is for a tournament outside of smogon

And I have a feeling that the opp will bring some weather related mono

So yeah please help

[soft lion]

Using both Latis isn't great. You could do Mega Latias with CM Stored Power and drop Latios for Z Kommo (which helps against Dark types that give Latias trouble)

I'd drop Garchomp for something else like Kyurem. I personally think the Sub Roost set is too good to not use

[pearl scroll]

Sub roost freeze dry ep?

Oh, THAT set

[soft lion]

Yes

[pearl scroll]

Tho mono stored power or another coverage?

[atomic salmon]

either mono stored or can run coverage like tbolt or ice beam, up to u

[pearl scroll]

https://pokepast.es/17dbfeb421659d7f

ok this is the fixed team, but I just realized I have no hazard removal 💀

[pearl scroll]

Uhhhhhhhhh I feel like hazard stack might clap

[sullen jackal]

https://pokepast.es/5888c7226dc48f95

NatDex UU

Wanted to play w/Mega Heracross

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex UU RMT @sonic summit. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sullen jackal]

I just realized I forgot a rocker lmao

But that's the core gist

[sonic summit]

this team gets harassed by Iron Moth really badly

[sullen jackal]

Back

Oh hi

[sonic summit]

most non-HOs need cores like Hippo/Gasto + Mlati or Tyranitar or Ting-Lu

[sullen jackal]

Ty in advance btw

[sullen jackal]

I thought of adding Ting here

[sonic summit]

ground is also super useful because Washtom also runs circles around this

[sullen jackal]

It gives me the hazards I'm missing

While also checking both of these threats

And being a ground

[sonic summit]

no Boulder Switch in either

so ground defo nice here

[sullen jackal]

Who do I replace

[sonic summit]

would drop Steela and Make scizor bulky sd Uturn then go Ting-Lu there

[sullen jackal]

Gotcha

Anything else?

[sonic summit]

then replace Fini with Washtom

and then add Wisp/Toxic on Victini over encore

should generally be sustainable

[sullen jackal]

Bet ty

Will do these tysm

[cedar solar]

do someone have some pretty good dracovish team?

[low juniper]

[crimson obsidian]

They don't exist (in Ndubers anyways - I think someone said it was decent in doubles at some point)

[distant hearth]

Dracovish is unviable in a metagame where half of the offensive options outspeed it without a boost even if it runs Scarf, and the main Pokemon found in nearly every team is immune to Water

[pallid oriole]

for draco and scarf ogre, imo its not even just pdon. yes, pdon is a major problem, but if that was the only problem, you could work around it. but eternatus means that even if you take care of pdon, all you get for all that work is a cleaner that still cant handle the third most popular mon in the format

[buoyant jolt]

https://pokepast.es/9fd0000d8c43b8ee

[dry ridge]

New [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype RMT @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage, @atomic salmon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[atomic salmon]

honestly ik u prob wanted to use coalossal instead of harc, but that would be the only change i would make. since webs rock tryna abuse webs as much as possible with 6. coalossal just sinks momentum but it is a ok defensive check to like scizor.

other than that well done not much to say, rock is rock

[buoyant jolt]

my issue is mainly that

if harc takes ANY CHIP AT ALL scizor wins

it never rly feels like a super secure MU

I also mostly wanted coal so I can spin away rocks so mini has an easier time and can pressure steels somewhat but ye I see ur point

[atomic salmon]

which is why i said ik u wanted to use coal instead of harc lol

everything is straight forward tho

[distant hearth]

A healthy Rockpon can still trigger Sturdy and revenge kill it, but it's risky as well

[leaden bolt]

https://pokepast.es/5eba8eb54bc27789
thoughts?

[distant hearth]

Species Clause prevents using more than one Arceus

[leaden bolt]

oh mb

i wanted to go something like bolt beam for last slot

cuz water types and dragon types

[leaden bolt]

https://pokepast.es/22b5cb960d7385bb
guy named adem helped me change the team hows it looking now? i think hes the guy from the pl or wcop or smwhere, i remember seeing his ndubers posts

found it, ndpl

[crimson obsidian]

yeah let me take a look in a sec

adem is here as well x.D

adem is in your head, in your house, in your walls

looks usable enough if you want

has a lot of trouble w stall

but other than that it should be fine

eh actually maybe changing the pdon set would be a good idea

[leaden bolt]

change it to wwhat?

[leaden bolt]

n-no! it...it can't be!

[crimson obsidian]

SD utility or double dance maybe

or defensive overheat

@tropic scroll

[leaden bolt]

i just wanted a mega salamence team for reqs lol

[crimson obsidian]

if this is just for reqs its all good

[low juniper]

Altho Facade mmence would probably be better

[crimson obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/56b976298f757110 made this during ndpl and I'm not going to pretend it is a top tier team

but has mence and should be more than good enough for the test if you like that as well

[leaden bolt]

huh

did you?

because i looked through the ndpl dumps

and i couldnt find a single mmence team lol

[tropic scroll]

oheat ye

[crimson obsidian]

yeah I only posted stuff I'd say yeah I've tested this enough and I'd be fine grinding to #1 on the ladder or something

[leaden bolt]

oh lol

[crimson obsidian]

tested it a bunch in the 1700s-1800s and it won and was fine, but mence didn't do all that much in about 50 games b/c dd zyg just swept everything

[leaden bolt]

will try for usre

[crimson obsidian]

if you're not familiar with this tier for most of your run just priortize getting rocks up

b/c up until probably at least 1500 most teams have bad and random sash crap

[leaden bolt]

kay

if i like how the req goes

i might just get into this tier lol

[crimson obsidian]

it is a very fun tier and pretty easy to build in

if you're interested in following the tier we have started a tournament recently that is worth keeping tabs on

but its r1 and a lot of the teams are bad

[crimson obsidian]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexubers-2247539395-gos8ipvl4eb4xptxljkg63f19vjzxkmpw example of how to deal with the tomfoolery

[leaden bolt]

kay kay

i recognize that team

with ditto

[crimson obsidian]

well i've used it a bit on ladder and eledyr used it in ndpl

[leaden bolt]

ohh yeahh

i saw it in ndpl

[random bluff]

New team I'm thinking up
https://pokepast.es/1d9bedbeecad404b

[pearl scroll]

AV protect

Reflect mega latios

Why are you using protect on everything? This isn’t vgc or some doubles format

[distant hearth]

Possibly this is actually for ND Doubles

[random bluff]

Sorry I forgot to specify this is actually NDD

[random bluff]

Yes

But in retro I do not need no reflect lati

[hazy remnant]

ndubers specs lunala + deoA balance
https://pokepast.es/4ef109404b8e9a33

[crimson obsidian]

this ev spread w tera poison and it shoud be good to go

[wintry blaze]

https://pokepast.es/454656ebc0835ce5
https://pokepast.es/29420236cd8a053b
Which is the better NDUbers team?

[tropic scroll]

u do know one is literally

my sample team

[wintry blaze]

Oh lol

[crimson obsidian]

also this second team is just my team w a ky-b over ho-oh

[night monolith]

https://pokepast.es/dd8723435974e775

ho attempt (i should learn to build ho)

(ndstab)

[pearl scroll]

is eternabeam really worth it for the extra Z move damage?

[low juniper]

Z-eternabeam is 200bp while z-draco is 180bp i think

[dry ridge]

Draco Meteor (Gen 7)

Lowers the user's Special Attack by 2 stages. Z-Move power: 195

Type

Dragon

Category

Special

Power

130

Accuracy

90

PP

5 (8)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Blocked by protection moves.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Can be selected by Metronome.

[low juniper]

195 ok yeah ngl draco is better atp

Unless 5 bp actually makes a difference

[night monolith]

ur probably right lol i just dont enjoy clicking draco

eternabeam had a funny moment

tho maybe this should just be spacial rend

or booster core enforcer + fly z gyara

[thick geode]

Don't you have teamdumps from natdex? please

[distant hearth]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ndpl-v-set-team-dump-thread.3753502/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ndfl-ii-set-team-dump-thread.3754457/
I'd suggest to dig in these threads if you want something more exotic or up to date than the current sample teams

[spare idol]

https://pokepast.es/b1d723ca338bc71c

ndu

i think stacking arc ground and pdon would go somewhere

building the rest of the team is a headache though

[low juniper]

Running both groundceus and pdon is a bit irrelevant ngl also pdon sucks on HO anyways

Replace refresh on groundceus with taunt to stop girao and zyg from setting up and replace pdon entirely with nasty plot zmove chi yu

U can use earth plate on groundcues with either tera ground rock or fairy

Don't use sub on yveltal taunt is much better or even tera fire heat wave works

Etern ideally runs sludge bomb instead of wave cuz the 30% poison chance is more impactful than 5bp

Also run rapid/mortal spin on smeargle over stone axe

[crimson obsidian]

Add tera steel to smeargle as well

It rarely teras anyways, but if it needs to blocking mortal spin to keep webs is useful

[tropic scroll]

IM NGL

this is just a shittier verion of my webs

no of

offense

https://pokepast.es/7235ef6c16384fec

@spare idol

[leaden bolt]

that team name is absolutely wild

[pallid oriole]

im guessing it had xern before it was banned

[tropic scroll]

No

I made this for pl

[pallid oriole]

i said that because sex was capitalised and the first two mons were smeargle and eternatus

[tropic scroll]

Oh i see where u got that

nah

[crimson obsidian]

also this is like...standardish chi-yu webs minus the arceus ground

w tera fairy instead of dragon on etern

[tropic scroll]

Shhhh.

[crimson obsidian]

it is a very good team and I like the small changes you've made

defensive ho is pretty funny

[spare idol]

criticism is the basis to improvement

[earnest trout]

y

[cedar solar]

guys i want some dracovish team nat dex uber even if its unplayable

[low juniper]

no

[cedar solar]

why ;c

[low juniper]

"even if its unplayable"

if thats the case just make it ur self smh

[cedar solar]

alr sorry

[solemn zodiac]

also this isnt the place to ask for teams

[leaden bolt]

probably go like some kyogre shii

[hazy remnant]

basculegion psyspam, ndubers

https://pokepast.es/ea4ad29789c9ff21

[tropic scroll]

make unec into a zacian and ur fine

[hazy remnant]

which set

[tropic scroll]

tera fight cc

u kinda struggle vs dd ground too but with lunala it shld be fine

just dont give it free turns

oh make deoxys shadow ball too

not dark pulse

[hazy remnant]

👍

[crimson obsidian]

probably worth considering tera ghost on deo-a as well

[hazy remnant]

why ghost over normal?

[crimson obsidian]

you're running basc and this gives you more flexibility w ekiller endgames

[hazy remnant]

ic

[crimson obsidian]

since basc can still tera fight for marshadow's shadow sneak

not saying tera ghost is 100% better in every case, but that is a reason, also i'll check the calc put pretty sure it lets deo-a ohko tina-o as well

+1 252 SpA Tera Ghost Deoxys-Attack Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 100 SpD Giratina-Origin: 456-536 (90.6 - 106.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

[gilded prairie]

how do i know which thread to use to rate my team

im new to pvp lol

[hazy remnant]

+1 252 SpA Tera Ghost Deoxys-Attack Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Giratina-Origin: 500-590 (99.4 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[hazy remnant]

Depends on the tier your team is in

[crimson obsidian]

it is based on which tier you're looking for help with

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1051236342740308089

[gilded prairie]

ive got no clue, im playing a roblox game 😭

[crimson obsidian]

this isn't for roblox stuff

[hazy remnant]

we dont rate anything that's not smogon/official pokemon

or draft iirc

[gilded prairie]

surely the same/similar concept no?

[hazy remnant]

it is not

completely different meta to anything we deal with

[tropic scroll]

it is very different

trust me you are not the first person to ask this

nor will you be the last