#NatDex Other Tiers

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radiant quest
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Best definition of a noob trap

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it’s too easily worn down by anything for a Mon that has to spam u-turn as it’s stab

tepid grail
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What would be a good replacement

radiant quest
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@fleet sand nduu

fleet sand
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Alright sorry for late response, but yeah there’s a lot of problems here

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Mega bee is obviously just not usable in any capacity

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Meowscarada does not fit on this team with a scarf, since there’s a wo chien with the exact same typing

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Steela + wo-chien is a very poor combo, since they fill similar roles that should not be stacked

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You’d be better of doin like skarm + wo-chien

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Or steela + like gastro/quag

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Neither of them resist fire or fighting

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Blissey with that ev spread is not good, and shouldn’t be on this team

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If you’re running something this passive court change ace is not suitable hazard control

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Because someone can just go quag and get hazards back up

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Not to mention you’ve got no ground type, and leech seed spam doesn’t work when mega venusaur is in the tier

scarlet tendon
marsh salmon
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one of the twaves on chomp should be dd

sonic sleet
marsh salmon
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idk

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probably dont need it

sonic sleet
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Dclaw is prob better with lo just for the virtue of consistency

wise prawn
arctic thorn
zealous plover
arctic thorn
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Oh ok

radiant quest
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  1. Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.
cursive idol
# wise prawn Nat dex ubers any opinions? https://pokepast.es/2f112b3beeffdff0

what is your koraidon switchin, where is the defogger
chansey is just taking up a slot on your team that could have the superior ho-oh on it
the 4 ev police detects your xerneas is missing an entire 4 evs (automatically bad set)
you have nothing to stop a double dance pdon
or anything to beat an ho team for that matter because you lack a defogger
if your opp gets rocks up (they will) your marsh is itemless and is better with lo or band
anyway i believe the marsh should be replaced by either a utility groudceus or an ekiller
basically to me this looks like a balance team but you have no hazard removal or phazer

west ruin
hallow cedar
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what are some of the common natdex uber pokemon

west ruin
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zygarde

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arceus normal

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Arceus dark

hallow cedar
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ight

round quartz
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natdex ru team

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i dont know too much about the tier but i tried

tepid grail
dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex UU RMT @fleet sand. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

fleet sand
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alright theres a good start but a few flaws

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iron moth doesnt run discharge, it runs energy ball, acid spray or toxic spikes

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and it also runs boots

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the blissey set is just not good and you probably should take it out alltogether

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you can shift ting-lu to a more physdef spread

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and aegislash is like way better off being iron hands

tepid grail
tepid grail
fleet sand
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thats what ting-lu is for

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also blissey doesnt wall blacephalon

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it hard loses to it

tepid grail
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psyshock

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idek who else though maybe slowking galar?

fleet sand
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probably tapu fini

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ting-lu is a very nice blacephalon answer

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and skarm could be put over steela if you feel like it later

tepid grail
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itd give me a stealth rocker if i did that

fleet sand
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skarm is not a rocker

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it uses spikes

tepid grail
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@fleet sand sorry for late response what tapu fini set do you think I should use?

fleet sand
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probably calm mind + draining kiss

tepid grail
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health + sp? def any?

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should i put taunt on it?

fleet sand
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yes its taunt with physdef and some speed

tepid grail
fleet sand
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oh yeah i was going to say you can consider scizor as well over aegislash

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but team looks good, probably boots on iron moth tho

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it doesnt benefit too much from life orb tbh

tepid grail
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ah

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what type of scizor

fleet sand
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sd roost

tepid grail
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Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Sassy Nature

  • Bullet Punch
  • Roost
  • U-turn
  • Toxic
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like that?

fleet sand
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no swords dance

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it doesnt benefit from toxic

tepid grail
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switch toxic from roost and tada?

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actually im tripping thats a mega set

fleet sand
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no i said above, swords dance + roost, it never runs toxic

tepid grail
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Scizor @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 28 Atk / 48 Def / 180 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Bullet Punch
  • Roost
  • Knock Off
fleet sand
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yeah there you go you found it

tepid grail
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thank youu

surreal stratus
warm narwhal
rugged linden
dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex UU RMT @fleet sand. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rugged linden
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idk abt zeraora tbh I just thought I might want some speed control

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and for hydreigon, I put it there cause I need a ground immune pokemon considering more than half of my team is weak to ground, and I like paraflinching my way thru walls and being annoying lol

fleet sand
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Alright well your solution to ground types absolutely doesn’t work, since the best grounds are just going to smack you for running a really terrible hydra set

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Iron hands and zeraora overlap too much, zera also doesn’t perform well atm due to the presence of mega venusaur

rugged linden
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oh

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what do u think should I replace zera and hydrei with?

fleet sand
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well you probably want to replace iron treads with ting-lu first, since you probably want to change hydra to latios

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actually wait dont do that, you can probably just replace mega gallade with something else

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cuz gallade is really meh right now

rugged linden
fleet sand
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well not beedrill since its terrible

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but maybe victini

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you can also use mega aerodactyl

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since it covers speed control

rugged linden
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nice thanks!

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do u suggest keeping treads and hydra tho after replacing gallade

fleet sand
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well the thing about aerodactyl is that it absolutely loves spikes support

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but that might require a quagsire/gastrodon

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and stacking grounds is not exactly popular atm for numerous reasons

rugged linden
fleet sand
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no actually its more cuz of mega gyarados

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actually id say its more because of kyurem too

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really busted mon that is btw

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ban soon hopefully

rugged linden
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is the subroost pressure freeze dry set the optimal set rn that makes it busted?

fleet sand
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well people figured out that if you run spdef investment + gking, it becomes bulkier than anything can possibly handle

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and do sub + roost + protect

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or sub + dd + ice spear + protect

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and stall anything

rugged linden
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damn

fleet sand
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you can even stall scizor BP with tera

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or just murder it with nmi hp fire/ run a magnezone

rugged linden
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like I can use meowscarada or skarminstead

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so mb mega aero + skarm and tinglu as walls

fleet sand
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yeah that does exist

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you could do something like this

rugged linden
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thanks for the advice!

fleet sand
rugged linden
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nice!

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tapu could be scarf or whirpool trapping I guess

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not very sure with latios tho, I'm not familiar with it

fleet sand
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well latios can practically do whatever you want

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however honestly you know what

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just use kyurem

rugged linden
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lol sure

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probably with water tera to help out against scizor

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or just hp fire as u mentioend b4

fleet sand
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yeah here you want offensive kyurem

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so you can do 3a roost

rugged linden
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nice thanks

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this is my first time getting teambuilding advice btw
much thanks for the advice, it's a lot more helpful than smogon or reddit which I only rely on

fleet sand
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reddit you wont find any good nduu players id imagine

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the discord and just asking here are much more reliable

rugged linden
fleet sand
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well its always full of people watching for questions

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if you ask on there youll probably get an answer from someone who knows what theyre talking about

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nduu discord too

rugged linden
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Imma go build my team first, bye!

round quartz
tired radish
# round quartz https://pokepast.es/6acdabae2f62b0af national dex ru

I took a quick look over the team and I have a few suggestions plus a team I made to address these.

Slowbro usually prefers heavy duty boots over lefties. Check the EVs for Mienshao. Arboliva is a bit underexplored but I'm not sure what it offers here over something like specially defensive Tapu Bulu. Bulu also offers a sturdier check to something like Band Crawdaunt. Forretress is not good. I get that you want to compress steel + spikes but if you're going that route, Orthworm offers more utility since it's a sturdy(ier) check to Mega Aero and Mega Altaria. Orthworms isn't that good but it has better chances of setting up spikes than Forretress. Otherwise, I would just split the roles or forego spikes completely. Mega Altaria is fine but I'd rather run Fire Blast over Dragon Claw even with a timid/adamant nature (just add 4 EVs to special attack).

For Rotom-Heat, I prefer max speed, max HP. If you want, you could run something for Life Orb Mamoswine https://pokepast.es/6fefaa512ba7c5aa. Spread lives jolly mamo comfortably and takes low 50s from adamant mamo knock off. Pain split for longevity and Nasty Plot for making it less passive. You can also run defog for hazard control.

https://pokepast.es/1f8106caeb884434

Implemented some of these changes. Of course, I had to squeeze a few stuff in there like SD+Rocks Cobalion. Feel free to ask any questions on the team

tribal kraken
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also u cant use pixi lele bc mgarde banned

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gyara should have liquidation

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uh

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bring a fairy answer too oh my god LMAOO

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u def want ghold here

round quartz
dusty thicket
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fingers crossed this isn't horrible

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(ND Ubers)

tired radish
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also I prefer SD scaleshot over DD scale shot tbh

sonic summit
# dusty thicket https://pokepast.es/eea27567c003e4e7

Ninetales-A is a bad screener in Ubers cuz of the Primals + Koraidon, just run Grimmsnarl.
Cyclizar is unnecessary here, I recommend just running another sweeper.
sweeper magearna is pretty mid, would prob do a different steel like Zacian or Necrozma
Calyrex is kinda garbo on HO, prob just do Koraidon on that slot

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I sorta get the ice spam thing, but its very unreliable

dusty thicket
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gotcha

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thanks lo

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it's my first time teambuilding here so yeah

covert comet
warm narwhal
sonic summit
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Rayquaza and Zac-C are alright, but the sets are flawed

warm narwhal
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Any suggestions for better love sets and alternatives?

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*move

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I’d like to keep sawsbuck Zacian zard x and rayquaza

sonic summit
sonic summit
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the defensive typing is something left to be desired but that's not rly a reason to dismiss it, esp since it makes up for it offensively

warm narwhal
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Ok I appreciate the help

cursive idol
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to keep it short

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  1. Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.
sonic summit
cursive idol
sonic summit
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ty

cursive idol
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what the hell why does the reply look like that

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i am confused

sonic summit
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  • test
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yeah its cuz this server has markdown text

hard zodiac
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Not sure if this is the right place, am very new so if I am in the wrong chat please let me know.

https://pokepast.es/06784cb846e390ef

Trying to balance it out alittle more, unsure of how to do so. Folks over in Showdown recommended I replace Tapu lele or Toxapex with another Pokémon, preferably a steel type as Tapu lele and other similar Pokémon would pose a huge threat to my team, and be a problem to deal with.

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The only thing I could really think of is swapping Toxapex for ferrathorn, as the steel type coverage would help against psychic Pokémon and grant me slightly more utility in trade for less survivability and 4x weakness to fire moves.

sonic sleet
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I see you posted that there too but just keep it in mind

hard zodiac
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Alright, thank you very much, I appreciate the heads up!

distant elm
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So I'm going to be having a (much anticipated) NatDex AG match against a rival of mine soon, and I was wondering what y'all think of the team that I came up with for it?

https://pokepast.es/b0b5d9d696a16113

dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex AG RMT @feral jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sonic summit
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this team also has no gameplan against revive cats or Calyrex-S

distant elm
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TBH, I was hoping that my opponent had the decency not to use revive cats or Fissure Machamps or anything like that, but as for Calyrex-S, that's actually what the AV Koraidon was for.
(With the added benefit of being able to deal with Miraidon or Xerneas if needed, as well.)

And yeah, Mega Ray was (most likely) going to be my lead, or my immediate switch in after leading with Miraidon and using Volt Switch.
(I figured Tailwind would help me build some momentum, and help make up for the lack of a Choice Scarf user.)

sonic summit
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small issue with Koraidon as a Calyrex check
252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 416-492 (121.9 - 144.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Koraidon: 186-219 (54.5 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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and then other sets like Nasty Plot or Choice Scarf win if you have taken any chip damage at all

distant elm
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Psyshock is only a guaranteed OHKO before Terastallizing, and after doing so, Koraidon can OHKO Calyrex-S with Flare Blitz.
(And IIRC it can take a +1 Astral Barrage from a scarved Calyrex-S even after Stealth Rocks, if at full HP.)

sage anvil
zealous plover
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@fleet sand

grim gate
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It's been awhile since I played Natdex Ubers

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(To note Diamond Storm was on diancie previously

gloomy bluff
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for ubers

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why are people using regirock

rose wagon
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its not good

sonic summit
ornate sequoia
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o

versed flicker
desert moat
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first attempt at a team after I couldn't recover my last

normal musk
desert moat
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Ok

vital snow
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natdex ubers crackpot

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tried gravity on deoxys lead unfortunately it doesnt work lmao

novel briar
dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex UU RMT @fleet sand. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

novel briar
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Reversal Hitmonlee is surprisingly useful even 6 gens later

fleet sand
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i mean all things considered with the current meta this team is terrible into a lot of the top mons

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but its ok for ladder

gloomy bluff
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NatDex UU

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thinking about swapping galarian zap to hitmon top to have somthing else instead of cyclazar

gloomy bluff
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@fleet sand

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changed it a bit

fleet sand
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Alright this is all over the place and barely makes any sense to me

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What’s the goal here

gloomy bluff
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pure offensive

fleet sand
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That’s trying to be accomplished with 3 scarf mons

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Because that’s not how you accomplish pure offense

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And that’s also not a discernible style

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You’d be going for hyper offense then

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So cyclizar is a more balanced team oriented pick

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You don’t need spin here

gloomy bluff
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ight

fleet sand
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And three scarfs are both incredibly limiting and pointless

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What you generally want to do on very fast offensive teams is have a lead, then go into sweepers to try to overwhelm your opponent

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That lead usually sets up hazards like rocks/spikes or sets up rocks and keeps opponents hazards off

gloomy bluff
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would drill be better in that case?

fleet sand
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Currently yeah

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Cuz it still beats mega sableye

gloomy bluff
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ight

fleet sand
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Serperior is also a staple on these types of teams

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Almost never see it without one

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Due to its versatility and dealing with webs

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Which are bad but still used here and there

gloomy bluff
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yeah sorry im still trying to learn the ropes of UU

fleet sand
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All g

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Take a look at the Viability rankings

gloomy bluff
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forgot about that

fleet sand
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It’s changing quite a bit cuz the tier changes a lot every like

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Few months

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But it’s mostly accurate

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Rn sun is a big deal

gloomy bluff
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ive seen alot of sand in lower teirs

fleet sand
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So ceruledge on HO using stuff like sash or whatever is more common on HO

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Yeah sand is good, but torkoal just dropped to UU

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So they’re gonna start competing

gloomy bluff
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should i drop keldeo

fleet sand
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Yeah keldeo isn’t common on this type of team

gloomy bluff
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it works pretty well

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but it can get koed real fast

fleet sand
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There’s stuff like mega gyarados who is usually better on HO

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Then your last after all the mons I listed would be a steel type

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Cuz you need a backup steel after exca for fairies/kyurem

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Which On HO would be scizor/autotomize + meteor beam celesteela or aegislash

gloomy bluff
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ight ty man

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i thought it would be curse BP

fleet sand
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Scizor runs SD + BP

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Curse isn’t used at all

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There’s some options to change around slots

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Like your ceruledge could be some sort of dragon type sweeper

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Or gyara could be maybe aerodactyl mega

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And then you use Z gyara

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Or Galarian zapdos, making some sort of “bird spam” style HO

waxen plank
inland sigil
inland sigil
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i think you need to rebuild ngl

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btw @waxen plank who do you want to keep

waxen plank
inland sigil
weak pewter
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use a sample

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kart in ndubers is fake

cursive idol
weak pewter
fleet sand
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As the title of the team implies, I’d take a guess and say maybe run something slightly offensive on your bliss

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At least confide or something

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If you’re running what I guess is semi stall?

weak pewter
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i did put seismic toss on it

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is there anything else i should changr

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change i mean

sly sage
cursive idol
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  1. Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.
weak pewter
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do people really

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legitimately use farfetch'd

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in a UBERS FORMAT

cursive idol
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yes!!!!

sly sage
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I suppose this is way more viable

sonic summit
sly sage
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Ok, thanks for tip :D

bold dagger
sonic summit
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although Annihilape is banned so it won't fly there

placid star
weak pewter
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🎵 What can I saaaaay except use a sample 🎶

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scarf fini is fake

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base zard is fake, phys base zard is even faker

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hoopa-u is kinda fake vs everything but stall

sonic summit
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you're in the wrong place

weak pewter
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oh yeah and that

leaden herald
normal musk
leaden herald
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what could I use instead?

normal musk
normal musk
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and i wouldnt use darmanitan as a scarfer

leaden herald
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should I make it banded?

normal musk
leaden herald
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I mean I wanted to use it cuz I think it's a cool mon but what do you think could take it's place

weak pewter
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advice would actually be really appreciated rn i'm short on it

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and also getting thwacked by hatt + luna tr

zealous plover
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https://pokepast.es/42ab1a16acb7ca83
Natdex Mono
Dragon's my favorite Monotype, and with Hisui Goodra potentially making the matchup into Fairy like actually playable I think it could be fun rn.

dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex Mono RMT @rocky saffron, @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

zealous plover
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still relatively new to NDMono, but I love how Mono Dragon plays and would really like to try it here.

grim cobalt
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only dragon i have been using in ndm was HO with shed tail

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hgoodra is a very nice add on dragon even tho I would consider still more spdef investments or just a bulky ID + BP set which can help against ice more

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The lack of an ice dragon make the fly mu very hard and I would also put hydreigon/kommo-o which surely help against steel which is very strong

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I haven't tried dragalge-less dragon but yea I would use kyurem/baxca over dnite and hydre over rm

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Ig chomp can be a bit slower, maybe enough for mmq if I don't miss any other relevant mon and eventually toxic / flamethrower over roar can be fine

random bluff
random bluff
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or kommo-o even

grim cobalt
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trick on latias might not be needed if u have 2 sub sweepers for fat so ig u can put defog there, i also like cm mega lati with boltbeam which is very strong vs flying and can help vs water too

random bluff
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trick --> defog yea

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honestly also @zealous plover for a more balanced dragon comp

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bulky maltaria would fit here better

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so you can free another slot for scarf latios

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Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Body Slam
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Roost
  • Defog
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try this

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or if you wanna be crazier

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Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Def / 76 SpA / 4 SpD / 100 Spe
Naughty Nature

  • Body Slam
  • Fire Blast
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Roost
zealous plover
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That sounds cool.

random bluff
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i dont like mlati drag personally its much more restricting but with goodra-h now a thing maybe its not as inferior

zealous plover
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I could just make two versions.

random bluff
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thats upto you

zealous plover
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One Mlati Drag and One Malt Drag

random bluff
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whatever suits your boat

zealous plover
grim cobalt
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don't use metronome

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lefties or hdb

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i prefer lefties regardless of everything

random bluff
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you dont need latias anymore now that you have defog malt and boots > metronome

grim cobalt
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but hdb is much safer

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u also have to consider how good kyu can pp stall now which I don't really have experience with

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so lefties might be even more valuable now

random bluff
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if you use kommo-o change moon to be scarfed

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if you use latios make it scarfed

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im not sold on the goodra-h set but i havent used it much myself so cant provide the best thing right now but it seems fine enough

zealous plover
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I'll EV it more specifically later.

random bluff
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it is a good dragon mon, i just havent specificially played with it

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oh also

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make moon jolly.

zealous plover
random bluff
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team should be good to go then

grim cobalt
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mega altaria feels kinda useless

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and without fire coverage chomp surely wants something to at least chip steels

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outrage on rm isn't needed u could try taunt or a diff stab even tho scale shot is meh

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iron head can hit fairies

random bluff
grim cobalt
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if u want defensive utility u use dragalge

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which at least helps against a mu

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altaria can only status types u already are supposed to beat

random bluff
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they have goodrah

grim cobalt
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goodra without spdef investments wont take forever on fairies

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also considering valiant straight up 6-0es

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or cm koko

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u also don't have nothing for steel

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which would be much more valuable over altaria

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like z kommo-o also helps against dark

random bluff
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ig youre not wrong but i did recommend kommo-o

grim cobalt
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or hydreigon can help vs stall and steel

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altaria only can spread burns to ground and paras to fire

random bluff
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like scarf moon + z komm is good enough, im honestly not even sold on the goodrah set as i said

grim cobalt
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it's not scarf moon

random bluff
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i recommended that*

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those should have been 2 diff sentences mb

grim cobalt
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and I don't love that mon without shed tail which is hard to use in mono formats

random bluff
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moon's better in ndm than in reg mono if ever

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gtg

zealous plover
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So could I try doing like
Hyd > RM, and then switch back to Scarf Latias?

grim cobalt
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No

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Hydreigon / kommo o over altaria

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Put iron head over outrage

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Hydre might be better than kommo o without z

zealous plover
grim cobalt
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I prefer ep>Flamethrower

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But both are fine

worthy fjord
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are you sure you want 2 dark mons in one dragon team?

zealous plover
worthy fjord
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you're currently monolose to Fighting attacks, would suggest having M.Altaria somewhere as a fighting resist with sustain + provides Defog if you go mono attack. Alternatively, Latis (non-choiced) also have defog and have moves that prevent common entry hazarders from getting to you (eg. Ice Beam).
Boots up Kyurem so that you'd have a better chance of coming in and out, since no tspikes absorber and limited defog is pain

if you MUST have Z-RM (like, thats what you wanna do, I highly suggest to go back to outrage over Iron Head, as you're unlikely to have time to setup on fairy teams. Else, Choice scarf RM with Crunch/U-Turn/Outrage/Iron Head is generally easier to use.

If you're not scarf RM, Use Hwish over Trick on Latias, giving RM or H.Goodra a second lease in life

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A sec, I'll get back to you later, my country shook a little

worthy fjord
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if keeping Hydreigon, use Earth Power + Flamethrower for ultimate steelkilling, otherwise, Walking Wake (boots, specs, scarf (if no scarfer is present yet)) or dnite with Earthquake + Fire Punch can also work. If you wanna try something new, SD, DD, or Sub ID kommo-o may also work, but its not as good as Z kommo-o

Hisui goodra needs Hslam over Flash Cannon as most fairies have more spdef, you can just go -spdef in that case. Acid Armor Goodra with Body Press and Heavy slam might work better than AV due to limited defog.
Goodra-Hisui @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

  • Flamethrower
  • Earthquake
  • Heavy Slam
  • Ice Beam
    Flame + Eq lets you be a stink to deal with in the Steel matchup w/ Sap Sipper, notably blocking Celesteela and Ferro from being annoying. You can do Tbolt over flame too, but consider Body press in that case over Eq (which only job is to hit heatran). Shell Armor also works if you hate hax, some def may be added to live certain eqs and ccs, but I cant compute that for you rn

I hope this helped

worthy fjord
zealous plover
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Def on Hoodra lives a Mixed Valiant CC without any sort of boosting item.

worthy fjord
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ice beam, twave, or eball on latios over tbolt imo, Ice beam lets you have a move against M.Alt and is a funny move to spam, Twave lets you cripple Scarf Lele/Torn-T which can be annoying, eball a little circumstantial but you outspeed M.Pert and M.Dia so...

zealous plover
worthy fjord
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Altaria also likely shouldnt be timid either

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(since thats -atk)

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Dtail is probably better than roar on garchomp too imo'

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you can alternatively run a very bulky DD Roost Defog Body Slam M.Alt (make sure you outpace up to Meow/Gren though at +1)

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which might be better over W-o-W, though the main target there would be celes

zealous plover
worthy fjord
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this seems to be oki, try it out

long apex
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need 2 more mons

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idk who tho

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wanted to use Mewtwo Y cuz it looked pretty nasty & super fun

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i still need a last one tho

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might make arceus bulky cm

long apex
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went with scarf korai

harsh cloak
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Hey guys, can anyone provide some advice on my Natdex Ubers team. Was able to get to about 1630, but I've lost some points and have dropped to about 1550.

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random bluff
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i am never dropping marshadow, but yeah will this be good?

zealous plover
dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex Mono RMT @rocky saffron, @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

random bluff
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every else is standard and good

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ofc if u ever want to change horse, i'd just make it sd dark-z weavile

zealous plover
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Yeah figured.
Glastrier's just one of my favorite Ice Types so I wanted to use it here.

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next to Kyurem but they're mandatory on Mono-Ice as is so that's not super special.

random bluff
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kyu isnt actually mandatory

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its between kyu and bax

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(im a bax believer)

random bluff
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or just put iron defense on avalugg > roar

waxen plank
dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex AG RMT @feral jasper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gloomy bluff
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all of my teams got wiped when my hard-drive broke so i need to start from scratch

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Nat dex Ubers

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looking at this team again i have a very bad eletric weakness

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gonna fix that rq

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god wtf did i make

long apex
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is enam viable in ubers

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i would assume not right

gloomy bluff
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it can be if it gets out of hand

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but you need to run scarf or it will simply be too slow

long apex
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when will it have an opportunity to do that

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i feel like superpower is gonna hit most things like a pool noodle

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also like

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theres a lot of good ghosts in the tier

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gira-o and marshadow come to mind

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also psychics and fairies that can switch in on a sp

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if xern switches in on an sp i think u just lose tbh

gloomy bluff
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again if it gets out of hand

long apex
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like i said i think u just

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instalose to xerneas

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also marshadow can just steal ur boosts

gloomy bluff
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that is the point of switching

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why tf would i stay in with a boost agenst a marshadow??

long apex
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nothing on ur team barring mence wants to switch into marsh

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even then i’m p sure marsh carries ice punch

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so not even

gloomy bluff
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not normally

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its norm rock tomb

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it prefers things like that to counter ho-oh

long apex
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i think it still beats mence if mence switches into a rock tomb

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could be wrong tho

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so like

gloomy bluff
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60 bp

long apex
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yea enam here just makes u instalose to 2 popular mons

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speed drop is huge

gloomy bluff
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true

long apex
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seems like enam is just setup fodder

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that’s also a free np for m2y

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again correct me if i’m wrong

gloomy bluff
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not wrong saddly

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alr im having a hard time with a defogger

long apex
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gira-o is my favorite ndubers fogger

gloomy bluff
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fair

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think ill replace my lead with smeargle

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base off this team neon made for me

long apex
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last mon?

gloomy bluff
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Natdex Ubers webs HO

near mica
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nat dex rain team, feel i should replace clod for pex since it pairs well with ferro

gloomy bluff
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bro that Basculegion name tho

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also wrong channel

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#1059714627384115290

gloomy bluff
long apex
near mica
near mica
gloomy bluff
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why

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oh i thought you were telling sombody else to

long apex
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reposting cuz i didn’t get an answer

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last mon?

gloomy bluff
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your lacking anything with a decent fairy or dragon type move

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I'd recommend somthing like koridon, zygarde-C, Xern, etern

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looking at old viability brb

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can not find the most recent but it really has not changed much,

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the s teirs

long apex
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yea ik what the via rankings are

gloomy bluff
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just in general

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-ubers-viability-rankings-update-post-38-42.3712169/#post-9426311

Smogon Forums
Ubers - National Dex Ubers Viability Rankings [Update: Post 38 & 42!]

art by Gaboswampert

Welcome to the official National Dex Ubers Viability Rankings thread. In this thread, we as a community will be ranking every single usable Pokemon into "tiers." You're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are usable in National Dex Ubers...

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I'm not as good at building teams as say @zealous plover but I will direct you to that

sonic sleet
long apex
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srry bout that

gloomy bluff
gloomy bluff
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nd ubers

gloomy bluff
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yo @zealous plover what should tera should i use on zacian

zealous plover
gloomy bluff
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already have a dragon type tho

zealous plover
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Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Hasty Nature

  • Eruption
  • Precipice Blades
  • Stone Edge
  • Stealth Rock
    This
gloomy bluff
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also why no play rough?

zealous plover
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You're hard walled by Ho-Oh without it, and Fairy isn't hitting anything important you don't already beat.

gloomy bluff
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oh yeah bc of mence

zealous plover
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I guess you could keep Mence for a better MU VS Opposing Raidon, and Pdon, but I'd have to think abt how that route would go.

gloomy bluff
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MU is multi use correct?

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or match up

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sorry

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also you never said what tera to use

zealous plover
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Match Up

zealous plover
gloomy bluff
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would fighting tera work out as i can hit pdon hard?

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ok

gloomy bluff
gloomy bluff
zealous plover
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being locked into one move is entirely detrimental to hyper offense teams.

gloomy bluff
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fair

zealous plover
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also you can drop your Speed on Arceus to only Neutral Base 90s.

gloomy bluff
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boom

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sorry i was doing some irl stuff for awhile

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but i made it so

long apex
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tera is banned

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darkrai is supposed to be fight z

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i need to rebuild this it sucks holy lmao

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i should not build while tired

radiant quest
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oubl isn’t a real smogon tier

long apex
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i know it’s for a tournament

inland sigil
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@zealous plover

inland sigil
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zygarde and deo s are no where near oubl mons

long apex
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it’s zygarde 50 not 100 dawg

inland sigil
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for this format

long apex
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it is

buoyant jolt
buoyant jolt
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actually nvm about the above team

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i just need help w this fighting team

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@rocky saffron

rocky saffron
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honestly this seems fine at first glance

buoyant jolt
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😮

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im kinda new to building inmonotype (not rly but sorta) so thats weird 😮

rocky saffron
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idk how i feel abt specs knock valiant tho

buoyant jolt
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shld that be a fighting move/psycoverage instead?

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Iron Valiant @ Choice Specs
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Moonblast
  • Thunderbolt
  • Shadow Ball
  • Psyshock/Aura/Trick/whatever
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like this?

rocky saffron
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ye

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any of those r good

buoyant jolt
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any1 u reccomend?

random bluff
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Goat move trust me

keen zephyr
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Ok 😂

buoyant jolt
keen zephyr
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@grim cobalt

sonic summit
sonic summit
radiant quest
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Also rule 6

long apex
long apex
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Do not discuss illegal or graphic sexual acts. This includes sexual remarks relating to Pokémon and other such topics.

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what

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what does this have to do w anythin

sonic summit
long apex
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ah

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fair

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i thought blud was saying zygarde was sexual for a sec 😭

sonic summit
long apex
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real

radiant quest
rocky saffron
buoyant jolt
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it was smthn I forgor in the builder

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ill be honest I took a SS NDM sample and edited it lazily ;-;

rocky saffron
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personally i think if ur tryna use krook on ho

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for the ground typing and volt immunity

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its goota be scarf with 3 atks+rocks

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would prob use scarf meow+z ninja

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over z zarude+scarf ninja

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or act specs this gen

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since goltres is ur best z move user

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z move ninja is fine if u go with wp goltres

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other than tht looks fine

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samurott-h also might be worth exploring over gren

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since ceaseless edge goes nuts

buoyant jolt
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whats a set for hamu?

rocky saffron
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whatever its running in ou

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choice locked sash boots are all prob fine

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maybe sd sucker razor ceaseless

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with boots

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could be cool

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tht set is just theorycrafting

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havent rly gotten around to trying hrott in nd mono

buoyant jolt
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does water run more offensive stuff outside of rain offenses

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might be good there

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also wait

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scarf meow and krook right

near mica
inland sigil
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chomp gets iron head yknow

keen zephyr
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This team is completely unviable as it contains many mons who are unviable in the format and this breaks rule 6 as you are using arbitrary restrictions

inland sigil
zealous plover
inland sigil
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kk

zealous plover
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You could also make Pdon Eruption Rocks, but that's optional really if you want to.

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You could maybe also do Taunt SD Groundceus over Ray, but that's also optional.

zealous plover
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it gives you a way better MU into the fatter teams Chi-Yu is supposed to tear up for these offensive teams.

inland sigil
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do i run coat or taunt on smeargle

zealous plover
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Taunt Wind Spin Webs

inland sigil
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rock slide?

zealous plover
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Stone Edge

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but yes that is the set.

sonic summit
near mica
near mica
near mica
normal musk
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this is Non-OU

near mica
novel briar
sonic summit
novel briar
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And yet carracosta be sweeping

normal musk
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NDUU ladder isnt great anyway

novel briar
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True but WP carracosta is fun af

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getting +4 Att & +2 Spe after an energy Ball is fun to watch

sonic summit
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Smth like Carracosta or Hitmonlee cheese isn't gonna cut it at higher level play

mortal crow
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hi hi!

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uhh i would like some ideas for a solid sixth creachure for my team

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ion like to use legendaries and try to focus on having a team i enjoy but have been consistently struggling to find a good fit

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i got assault vest ttar, toxic stall umbreon with foul play, physically bulky arcanine, haze/toxic flame orb milotc, and sub+ddance dragapult

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this is for natdex ubers btw

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saw some decent success with ursaluna but idk, either i just havent got good at running it yet or its not landing right

inland sigil
mortal crow
sonic summit
mortal crow
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Okay! Will keep in mind

verbal solar
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https://pokepast.es/781e231e8baa3bd9 here's my natdex team I just made- I would love to hear some suggestions on it. I based the team off mega scizor and decided to add trick room as it fit into the team well. I think the movesets might need to be changed as well

sonic summit
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you're in the wrong channel

dusk halo
sonic summit
dusk halo
limpid fable
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https://pokepast.es/5966a0a9c35275be natdex doubles team, my friend chose the pokemon I could use so I can't change them and I'm not that experienced with teambuilding, anyone got any suggestions?

dusk halo
dusk halo
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Ndex uu

sonic summit
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your hazards / hazard control mons are a little concerning tbh

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Shocks as your sole rocker but it also needing to be your speed control with Scarf can make it a momentum sink everytime it wants to click rocks
and Torkoal is a pretty mediocre spinner (idt it even pressures a singer rocker and loses to most of the spikers not named Skarmory)

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imo you could probably go Ting-Lu over Sandy as the rocker

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run Skarm > Steela for spikes support (since AutoSteela is kinda mid outside of Hyper Offense anyways)

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and replace Chansey with Scarf Latias (running STABS + Healing Wish + Defog)

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then the Hliligant set probably wants Ice Spinner with a Z-move of choice to nuke shit

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or like Tera Fire Tera Blast to beat Aegislash

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@dusk halo

dusk halo
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Sorry was asleep

sonic summit
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np

dusk flame
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thoughts

dusk halo
sonic summit
sonic summit
dusk halo
sonic summit
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Tios doesn't, but its a poor utility scarfer anyways

ruby kettle
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how is this team?

sonic summit
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and the sets for MMY and Mega Mence are equally bad

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tbh this just looks like a bunch of mons randomly slapped on a team so I suggest you look at the sample teams and the VR for NatDex Ubers

ruby kettle
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but lord Helix is all powerful

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and I know it sucks but I have won quite a few matches with it

sonic summit
# ruby kettle and I know it sucks but I have won quite a few matches with it

I know it sucks

rule 3
"Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place."

ruby kettle
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I never said I wouldn't optimize it but I was just stating the last bit

sonic summit
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it's kinda making excuses for a poor team

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"I won some games with it so it can be that bad" energy

tepid grail
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national dex UU

sonic summit
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firstly before critizing the entire build: your Cyclizar would do better with some speed investment

Cyclizar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 88 HP / 252 SpD / 168 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Draco Meteor
  • Rapid Spin
  • Knock Off
  • Overheat
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this outrun Latias/latios

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rest dumped into bulk

radiant quest
sonic summit
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second: the rest of the team doesn't synergize at all and Umbreon and Galarian Corsola are awful in NatDex UU

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Assault Vest + Contrary Enarmorus is also a bad set

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@tepid grail I'd reccommend that you'd take a look at the most recent team bazaar posts to see what the average team looks like

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and the Viability Rankings as well

tepid grail
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I mean im using umbreon as just a wish passer but tbh galarian corsola you sure man strength sap corsola gets 100 defense on top of eviolite its like 421 specifically it literally has the most defense for a mon that has the move but im gonna take ur other advice most definitely but do you think it could work?

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@sonic summit

sonic summit
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Mega Sableye, Skeledirge, and Aegislash outclass it in that regard

hasty rivet
dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex Mono RMT @rocky saffron, @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

soft lion
hasty rivet
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Will do, thank you

random bluff
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style beat me to it but ye

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i'd suggest that p much

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if anything its just a me thing but i really like volt switch on these hands

hasty rivet
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I got dire claw, uturn, cc on sneasler, but what do I put for the fourth move?

hasty rivet
random bluff
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rock slide probably

hasty rivet
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I'll try it

worthy fjord
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Rock slide if for the volcarona matchup, which you dont have anything for.

If you really hate gholdy/ghosts eq on hands is usually enough; you might actually prefer tpunch over ice punch on hands here considering we have TA Gallade already so that its one less pokemon walled by corv

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Not too sure what the tusk speed is hitting but if this is just gholdy is fine

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Heavy slam on hands is also a consideration, as you can sponge M.Dia quite well

worthy fjord
hasty rivet
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Eh I think I prefer dire claw

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Ignore the evs on villain, I meant to make it max max

hasty rivet
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Actually this looks kinda mega pinsir weak

hasty rivet
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It can click cc on tran than everything else gets nuked by stab

hasty rivet
worthy fjord
worthy fjord
hasty rivet
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So is tpunch/drain punch/heavy slam/eq a good moveset for it?

worthy fjord
hazy remnant
dusk halo
sonic summit
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looks solid otherwise

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also idt you need both Draco and Outrage on the same Zolt set, just get run EQ > Draco Meteor if you're going choice band

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and then change the nature obv

dusk halo
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So I always have to switch out if eq

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That's why

edgy sparrow
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so click outrage

dusk halo
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And get killed next turn lol

sonic summit
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how does that justify both Draco and Outrage on the same set tho

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esp since you're choice band

edgy sparrow
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if you want to avoid being locked in use dclaw

dusk halo
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I'll do it

hardy flower
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Can I send my nat dex UU team here?

dusty thicket
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yes

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so long as it's complete and in pokepaste format

hardy flower
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Ight

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I kinda wanna switch dogoo but i don't know for what Mon

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For what Mon should I change nine?

dusty thicket
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i'm not the best at this tier

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i'll be honest idk lol

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let someone that's good join

alpine helm
versed owl
hardy flower
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So far it has given me some results

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Just lost a tournament to scarf sandy tho amoonguss zonger

tepid grail
dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex UU RMT @fleet sand. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

alpine helm
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taunt is what makes cm fini threatening to fat

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from there you can easily add an breaker like plot hydreigon over meow and make zera boots pivot

zenith flume
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Could some rate my team

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Or fix it? I'm new to pokemon

prime yew
scarlet moth
scarlet moth
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also what set zeraora

sonic summit
# prime yew My gf tried to make a team out of her 6 favorite mons, do you think it's possibl...

#1 you're in the wrong channel https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059714627384115290
#2 :

Your team must be competitive, and you must be willing to have it optimized. We will not stop you from using whatever team you want, but if it’s not competitive, it does not belong here. If you are building a "fun AG team" and don't want to use viable Pokemon because you don't like them, this is the wrong place.

This includes teams that are built entirely from favorite pokemon with no other consideration

scarlet moth
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what set for zeraora

prime yew
sonic summit
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We don't help you start from scratch

scarlet moth
scarlet moth
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where can i get help then

surreal stratus
sonic summit
long apex
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Natdex Doubles

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currently 16 on ladder with it

sonic sleet
long apex
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idk z move has been treatin me super good

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i already peaked for the night anyways lol

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15 on ladder before losing streak

sonic sleet
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issue with no life orb is

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you dont pick up the ko on flutt with sneak if its bulky (most are)

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252 Atk Technician Marshadow Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Flutter Mane: 260-308 (82.8 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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as an example

long apex
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wait

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im supposed to be adamant lol

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whoops

sonic sleet
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adamant is bad it underspeeds mega metagross by one point

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dont use adamant

long apex
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i have tailwind blud

sonic sleet
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they also most likely have tailwind and you wont always have tailwind up

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and as you do not have tera life orb sneak metagross just eats the sneak and kills you

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not worth it

long apex
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smthn like this?

sonic sleet
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yeah

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i would also not prefer tera ghost on whimsi

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u have cloak

long apex
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oh yea true

sonic sleet
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u can run like tera water

long apex
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i just didnt change that after i slapped on cloak lol

sonic sleet
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252+ Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Metagross-Mega: 222-264 (73.7 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
non life orb is rly weak

long apex
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thanks ill try it out tomorrow when im not tired and tilted lmao

sonic sleet
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oki gl

long apex
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tyty

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gonna run protect over sd on gambit too

sonic sleet
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yeah i was gonna give extra suggests too

long apex
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i dont think i clicked sd once

sonic sleet
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  1. you could run tpunch over bullet punch on mmeta to snipe away urshifu rapid, fini, and zardy
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  1. yeah tect on gambit somewhere
long apex
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i was trying to fit ice punch on mmeta

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couldnt really

sonic sleet
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bullet punch is droppable here

long apex
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and bullet punch is a safe option ive been using a lot

sonic sleet
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you can run either but i pref tpunch rn

long apex
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alright ill try it

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overheat over fthrower on volcanion?

sonic sleet
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fire blast>flamethrower on naganadel for the mmeta ohko

long apex
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alr

sonic sleet
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as ur fini check is volc

long apex
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i think ill do overheat

sonic sleet
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i dont think there are that many calcs between ihead and mmash

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so u can run ihead for the consistency

long apex
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mash gives me the attack boost chance tho which has been nice

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so imma keep it

long apex
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just lost cuz i didn’t have bullet punch literally first game

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awesome

west hollow
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still deciding tera for giratina

sonic summit
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you don't need resto chesto on Zygarde

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mon is buky enough to where you basically wall everything after enough coil boosts

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the Giratina set is also an unset iirc

grim gate
west hollow
sonic summit
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You just want setup sweeper spam

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But please improof your team against ditto

grim gate
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I have no idea how to deal with ditto

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I haven't played natdex ubers in a long while

west hollow
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personally i just dont use strats that make me vulnerable to ditto

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like swords dance setups

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and if I do i have a counter

grim gate
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Didn't I already say I don't know how to deal with ditto?

west hollow
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missed that

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but like

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i half answered

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relying too much on setup pokemon can lead to being vulnerable to ditto

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so just use powerhouse pokemon that dont need it as much

grim gate
west hollow
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well iron bundle is always a decent option for getting fast dmg on

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groudons just good in general

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it may work in some cases but you mostly see ditto choice scarf nowadays

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what elo you in for natdex ub?

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@grim gate

grim gate
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Yep

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I was busy team-building figuring out better mons to use for the team.

west hollow
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you wanna test it out?

grim gate
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Yes, I doubt groundon would do much.

west hollow
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my user is WackSensei

sonic summit
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So a team running Xerneas improofs with Necrozma Dusk Mane, or Primal Groudon

grim gate
sonic summit
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Ok...

foggy dune
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gotta be honest i suck at making teams so i wanna see if this one for regular natdex is ANY good

sonic summit
foggy dune
sonic summit
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there is no tag and you just said "regular natdex", which is OU by default

foggy dune
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well i didnt know that

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there’s a format that simply says “National Dex” so i assumed that was it and NOT ou

sonic sleet
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national dex equals national dex ou

sonic summit
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@tranquil trail ^

tranquil trail
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i mean you do have hazard control in tidy up pdon too

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not sure how you beat imp yveltal though

buoyant jolt
normal musk
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what tier is this for (also it would be better to use pokepaste instead of copy pasting it)

sonic summit
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The question is pointless because we only help with fully built teams (aka: teams with all 6 mons)

tranquil trail
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it just kinda sits there

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imp just spams owing and volt switch not only doesnt do much but also makes you leave

tranquil trail
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best thing is to like selfimproof with revdance tera electric

random bluff
random bluff
random bluff
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in the future you can select your team in teambuilder, scroll to the bottom of the list of mons and click “upload to pokepaste”

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also for natdex ou rates put it in #1059714627384115290

random bluff
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Not ou

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Just National Dex

normal musk
random bluff
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Oh-

normal musk
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its just another name for it

random bluff
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Sorry

normal musk
sonic summit
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The idea is that you already have some grasp on how to teambuild, and we just help you refine it

vivid pike
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blegh why can't aerodactyl learn head smash or brave bird?

random bluff
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Sorry

spare idol
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NDUbers

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been cooking again

surreal stratus
zealous plover
# spare idol https://pokepast.es/3638ecfb7416ce97

looks like a solid start if anything, just needs heavy optimization. My suggestions atm would be DD Groundceus > Waterceus, Stealth Rock > Rock Polish and Stone Edge > Solar Beam with SpA and Atk investments flipped on Pdon, Swap Salamence's SpD Investment for Speed, Nuzzle/Taunt > Spore on Smeargle, Thunder > Thunderbolt on Xern, and SD Koraidon > Kingambit.

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Xerneas @ Power Herb
Ability: Fairy Aura
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 48 HP / 120 Def / 252 SpA / 88 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Thunder
  • Substitute
  • Geomancy
    This spread is usually preferred for Xerneas on Webs teams.
undone folio
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Need some advice on more casual teams for a natdex monotype thing with some friends

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Any advice is welcomed as I'm still fairly new to playing pokemon more competitive

dry ridgeBOT
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New NatDex Mono RMT @rocky saffron, @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage, @random bluff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

runic sage
# undone folio Team 1: More of a standard team tho feel like I could swap 1 or 2 mons but not s...

Team 1: your hisui lilligant has a serious nature instead of jolly. so does your ferrothorn, should be sassy nature 0 speed IVs with gyro ball > body press. I don't think your team needs serperior in all honesty, most grass teams want mega venusaur, its an essential mon to have. i would run defog on whimsicott over tailwind, not too consistent in a singles setting, not enough turns and nothing on your team really benefits from it.

Team 2: first thing is that you cannot run both lilligants on a team, species clause is a thing. would replace the unova one with scovillain here, its decent on sun. ferrothorn here can drop body press for leech seed, gyro ball > iron head like for Team 1.

undone folio
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Ah got it will fix the natures in team 1 and make the swaps thank ya. Wasn't aware of the species clause so that's a sadge lol was looking forward to running them both and will make the changes on ferrothorn

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Also would roserade over whimsicott be a bad call?

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Always been a fan of roserade and been considering using it in the sunny team

runic sage
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you can drop cradily to go more offensive

undone folio
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Would dropping ferrothorn also be worth it? Since its 4x weak to fire moves which will be even stronger with sunny day

undone folio
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anyone got advice on swapping the ferrothorn in a more offensive sunny day team?

runic sage
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Venusaur base has Chlorophyll so that's cool then you can also decide to mega it if you need its defensive attributes

undone folio
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so Liligant, Roserade, Whimsicott, Scovillain, Venusaur/ Mega Venusaur for the the team?

undone folio
runic sage
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You're not replacing meow, you are just changing the set around

undone folio
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oh think i misread what you ment lol

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so what exactly would the move set look like with spikes?

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flower trick, knock off, spikes, u-turn with the heavy boots?

runic sage
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Hmm tough one because I think you want play rough for the dragons honestly either uturn or flower trick can be replaced

undone folio
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i feel like u-turn might be the better one to drop just cause of how solid flower trick is

runic sage
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Ye, the way I see it is that if you don't rely on double switching as much to keep momentum, you keep uturn but if that isn't a problem for you as a player, then pivoting moves can be dropped

undone folio
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alright sweet

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thank ya for the assistance btw

runic sage
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Np

undone folio
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Side note just happened to think about it but would giving a heat rock to whismicott to increase the duration of sunny day be worth?

runic sage
undone folio
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Yeah forgot it existed lol

zealous plover
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New NatDex Mono RMT @rocky saffron, @soft lion, @worthy fjord, @grim cobalt, @random bluff, @runic sage, @random bluff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

runic sage
# zealous plover https://pokepast.es/cc3624a34964ee87 Natdex Mono Fire

This is a good start. My suggestions aren't many but here they are

  • I don't think fire needs victini final gambit tbh. Scarf with uturn vcreate bolt strike trick/zhb is more consistent in the long run
  • Offensive grass z move heatran with solar beam can really catch out water with the combination of earth power.

That's about it from me

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So this

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(Changed to HP Ice on Volc to still have smth to Snipe Dragon with)

runic sage
zealous plover
# runic sage Ye looks good

If you don't mind I also have a Mono-Steel around Aegislash if you still got time.

https://pokepast.es/1ce2c4d84c093a7f
Aegi is my all time favorite Pokémon, and since it's still ranked I wanna use it.

Granted I'm not entirely sure what seperates Aegislash from Ghold besides Mixed/SD Sets, but I wanted to try regardless.

EVs outspeed uninvested Corviknight, OHKO Blacephalon with Shadow Sneak, and take 3 Scarf Lele Psychic after Rocks

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Magnezone is heavy filler because idk what would even be a better fit there besides maybe Treads to revenge a boosted Volc?

runic sage
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In terms of the teams, I would go -spdef nature on aegislash so you technically can run less speed to outrun corv

zealous plover
runic sage
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If the physdef comes rarely into play, you could drop the def

zealous plover
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Then that brings up the issue of being worse at playing around Pursuit w/King's Shield VS Dark, and makes Psyshock from a Specs Lele be able to suddenly be able to roll to 2HKO, and SD Valiant being able to almost always OHKO with +1 Knock.
The situations it comes into play in are uncommon, but still important to its functionality. Sorry if I worded that badly.

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Both Defenses Dropping presented different problems I didn't wanna take chances with, and Speed Dropping had the least compromise from what I could tell.

runic sage
zealous plover
runic sage
zealous plover
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Or is there a more optimized one I'm not aware of?

runic sage
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alright, ty.