#Ubers

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cinder fox
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for a team that looks like it wants to be a bo

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tbh if you wanted to you could use

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bulk up taunt ekiller

median geyser
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It's not a bo it's more so offense

cinder fox
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u have a lando, bold ogre, and voyagetern supplementing korai + zac

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that’s textbook bo

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esp bold ogre

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speaking of

median geyser
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Welp I took that defensive core from ainz's offense

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His team had a ditto

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Thought voygaetern

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Can also work

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Baiting in koraidon

cinder fox
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voyage is fine, im just saying lo ekiller doesnt really fit on this sorta structure because of how susceptible it is to dying quickly

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which is why im suggesting either bu taunt ekiller or mix dd ground instead

median geyser
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Bulky e killer

cinder fox
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kk lemme get the spread

median geyser
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I have it

cinder fox
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i have a different one

median geyser
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Oh sure

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Send

cinder fox
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not the dex spread

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Arceus @ Leftovers
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 176 Atk / 12 Def / 72 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Bulk Up
  • Extreme Speed
  • Shadow Claw
  • Taunt
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72 outspeeds max modest lunala, 176 ada kills korai at +1 after two helmet chip from lando

median geyser
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Iam worried about ho oh mu

cinder fox
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before factoring in rocks

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u have

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tera fire and taunt

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plus defense boosts

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if anything

median geyser
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Hmm yea we are gonna be fine

cinder fox
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hooh is the one scared of this ekiller

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cuz bu ekiller literally turns hooh into setup fodder

median geyser
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Will try this out

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Maybe we can make the koraidon orb then

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?

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Cause I need some sort of immediate offense

cinder fox
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korai is strong enough immediately without lo

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i’ll get to yours after my exam

tired lotus
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Oh, and when I said I am an HO kind of guy, that does not mean I will not try Balance teams too, which is what I think my team is

cinder fox
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the mons and sets themselves aren’t bad, but some of these sets dont make sense in the context of the team

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for example, hooh has no reason to be offensive and kyogre has no reason to be scarf

tired lotus
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ho-oh I can change to defensive

cinder fox
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rocks arcfairy is generally not great nowadays as you really want your fairy to be doing more than just being passive support

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zacian also picks up a kill literally every time it switches in, plus trailblaze is a massive MASSIVE problem for this

tired lotus
cinder fox
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well there’s a couple directions we can take this

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first of all u definitely want twave bold ogre > scarf

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twave origin pulse ice beam thunder

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since ur using lo etern

tired lotus
cinder fox
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boots

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use the dex spread

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it’s the first one listed for sv

tired lotus
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and what about arceus fairy?

cinder fox
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make arcfairy cm taunt

tired lotus
cinder fox
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judgment recover

tired lotus
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on the srtat dex?

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oh, do I need to change the starts of fairyceus?

cinder fox
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kyogre lures in etern to paralyze it, then cm fairy can stop it from clicking toxic since it’s now faster

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u want lando here

tired lotus
cinder fox
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therian

tired lotus
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figured. what should I replace

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korai and zacian are kinda what the team was based around, btw

cinder fox
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either zac or hooh

cinder fox
tired lotus
cinder fox
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use the dex spread for lando

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also make arcfairy max speed timid > max def bold

tired lotus
cinder fox
tired lotus
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Oh, mb, will fix that in a sec

cinder fox
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also if you’re going defensive lando and twave ogre i’d say you want sd korai and trailblaze zac

tired lotus
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Anything else?

cinder fox
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and boots etern

tired lotus
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I don't remember seeing boots etern on the dex

cinder fox
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its just spdef etern

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here

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team with all my changes

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ik it was a lot but fundamentally it keeps the korai zac bo idea that i assume you were trying to build

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but it also adds some more speed control options with tb zac and twave ogre

tired lotus
cinder fox
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bulky offense

tired lotus
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Was going for a more balance team initally

cinder fox
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zac is just an inherently offensive mon

tired lotus
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The line between bo and balance is a bit blurry i guess

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But ok bo it is

cinder fox
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bo tends to be much more fast paced than balance

tired lotus
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Oh yeah, I want fast paced

cinder fox
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given you had korai zac lo etern offensive hooh scarf ogre

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i would assume you were going for bo

tired lotus
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Ok. Well thx man, got to give that team a try!

median geyser
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Ur not forced to

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Tera

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And subs useful with oger para asw

tired lotus
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https://pokepast.es/62a2d193ce13bcdb so recently, I got this team looked at and adjusted by oreo guy. I have now tried it out, but I am seeing a glaring issue with it: no defog/hazard removal. A sticky web really hurts thee team if it gets placed down. Can anyone help me with that?

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cinder fox
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with that team specifically u have to play around webs rather than try to dedicate resources to removing it

tired lotus
cinder fox
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u already have the tools here to trade well with webs, not to mention lead tera elec tb zac is an insanely bad mu for webs

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for example u have twave ogre to trade with anything you want and lando to trade with zac

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and also there have been actual tour games where tera electric tb zac has led vs ribombee and proceeded to literally 6-0

rose cargo
# tired lotus got it. thx

The main way you play is trailblaze into bee turn 1, Tera next turn and swords dance, swords dance again and hope you sweep

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Actually nah

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One swords dance is enough if they don’t have ndm

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Because Lunala is there with shadow shield to take one hit

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But Zac eats one attack before koing Lunala

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Then after that’s it’s a matter if you can make some predictions on koraidon and co to sweep

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But if you can get it right

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It can be a turn 1 sweep

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You can Tera elec turn 1 if you are predicting them to go stun spore turn 1 for some reason (bad play unless you know that your opponent isn’t gonna Tera or sub! And that you know your opponent is that set!)

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But that other sequence is most opps most likely play, as that sequence if done right would leave you with enough HP not to be revenge killed

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I’m pretty sure if bee is quiver dance a +1 moonblast into life orb espeed kos zacian and ends your sweep

rose cargo
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rose cargo
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Idk how to build choice band koraidon without obviously looking like band koraidon on preview

lime vine
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rose cargo
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Ignore the fact that Lando and Ho-Oh don’t got EVs, just assume a little bit of speed inv with max def on ho

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And uh standard lando spread

median geyser
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For the most part

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But u prolly like sc koraidon more than banded or orb

rose cargo
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I have no answers for cm ghostceus lmao

median geyser
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Ho oh tera

rose cargo
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Webs + improof is just death

median geyser
rose cargo
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Cm recover blast judgement ez claps

median geyser
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Non existent

sharp rock
jagged tartan
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wow

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exactly 0 of these Pokemon are viable in Ubers

sharp rock
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I figured, but this is the only place I could fit anything with Psyche Up and a decent Ghost move.

jagged tartan
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ok but what exactly are you psyching up to

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any Pokemon that could conceivably have boosts that Mewtwo would want to copy also just OHKOes it

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you also have expanding force on mewtwo without psychic terrain for it to benefit from

sharp rock
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Contrary Malamar and Work Up Medicham

sharp rock
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Plus, I did not do enough research on this. Gothitelle, while absolutely garbage, also does the exact same thing but outside of Ubers.

jagged tartan
sharp rock
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🤦‍♂️ that was stupid of me.

jagged tartan
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it would explain a little bit about the items you've given your Pokemon

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(it doesn't explain the Pokemon you've chosen, but that's neither here nor there)

sharp rock
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The whole idea was set behind Mega Medicham, Close Combat, and Guard Swap, and it spiraled from there.

jagged tartan
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...Mega Medicham isn't in SV

sharp rock
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Ik, it was a prospective idea for what may be possible in Champions, but I got a bit too caught up in it.

jagged tartan
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We can't really help with metagames that don't exist yet

sharp rock
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Fair.

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I’m going to move this to somewhere where it actually may work. Thanks so much though!

silver cloud
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https://pokepast.es/727443a2fdbc59b4

Rate this team, it has done well so far up to 1.3k (ive lost a few but those were mostly due to extremely bad luck as their crits went through my shields)

Im not sure to put which form of zacian in however

edit: i changed tera of black kyurem to fairy to be immune to dragon type attacks (main threat specifically koraidon)

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rose cargo
# silver cloud https://pokepast.es/727443a2fdbc59b4 Rate this team, it has done well so far up...

Darkrai is not even Ubers viable, Zacian-C is far better, kyurem doesn’t fit on this team, regieleki is ass 98% of the time and the set you are using is ass as well, arceus wants a different spread and there are better 4th moves than sub, Gira-A is bad…

Only two mons you are using is considered to be viable and all of them are using suboptimal sets, I say a sample team might do much much better.

silver cloud
rose cargo
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It’s low ladder

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You face similarly bad teams

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Also, arc would probably like Tera fire taunt over Tera normal sub

silver cloud
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Pigbeeef I have returned with a new team
https://pokepast.es/3a56df89f3d99d5f

Im at about 1.5k elo rn, ive beaten top 100 players with this team

I feel like its really good personaly but i just need more opinions

From my experience

There can be Arceus/Kingambit endgame depending on the opponent, but both are really good

Ogerpon with trailblaze allows it to outspeed some pokemons to get surprise 1hkos on massive threats such as Koraidon and Tera Water + Rain boosted Ivy cudgel on some glass cannons

scarfed kyogre is also a nuke and defog giratina with 150+ bp draco and hex is really strong, with tera fairy to block potential scale shot sweepers

And mixed scarf Kyurem black to break both physical and special walls such as eternatus and dondozo

Edit: switched kyurem black with white

OK its really weak to stall

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rose cargo
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Could you try a sample team first and tell me how it does?

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Kyuw is also just bad 99.7% of the time

kindred vapor
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kindred vapor
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can soemoon help rate this

rose cargo
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Try a sample team

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And none of the sets are optimal either

kindred vapor
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ok

rose cargo
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https://pokepast.es/11c92c6bd430be34

I can’t just lose to a mixed scarf rayquaza that didn’t outspeed zacian even with choice scarf AND max spdef max attack Ho-Oh and palkia and flutter and some other shit sets

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rose cargo
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And do nothing about it

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Anyways, life orb eternatus has not been doing too well

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Oh wait, pretend eq is sub

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But yeah

steep tulip
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No EVs zacian

rose cargo
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I’m rusty

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Rip

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I am also slightly concerned about the stall MU

steep tulip
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Easiest way about fixing this is to make it a bulkier hooh and taunt cm fairy imo

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Trailblaze on Zacian-C here is also a bit winmore

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You can obviously instantly win some games where you TB and tera t1 on a ribombee and then SD or whatever but a coverage move I think would go a long way

rose cargo
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Lot of bee teams got ways to eat one hit after even a boost

steep tulip
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CC midgrounds nicely into Koraidon so you don't have to click Wild Charge or Behemoth into "is he tera fire"

rose cargo
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So I think that’s true yeah

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Tera fight sacred sword for idcm ndm /j

steep tulip
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atp run tera dark hooh

rose cargo
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Anyways

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Do I just stay Tera steel / elec or Tera fight cc?

steep tulip
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Tera Fight was good when NDM was more common

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You can keep it electric

rose cargo
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Seems good

crude turtle
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It’s still a fine option

rose cargo
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Mm

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A bulkier Ho-Oh… like as in more investment into HP or defensive set?

austere roost
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and use zacian crowned...

late geode
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what we thinking

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jagged tartan
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so uh

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for one

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jagged tartan
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for two, the hisuian arcanine and iron valiant are not viable

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skymin is not viable either actually

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you don't use this ndm set on hyper offense

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and finally, you don't have an arceus forme or a koraidon or a zacian-c

late geode
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this is meant to be mixed Ubers,
however i am interested how skymin could be better
i don't wanna run Arceus/Zacian/Koraidon because i wanna be a little different

rose cargo
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Putting yourself at an disadvantage just to be different?

lean plank
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nobody's here...

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||Kyogre Liquidator (Zekrom) @ Leftovers
Ability: Teravolt
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Bolt Strike
  • Fusion Bolt
  • Supercell Slam

Kyogre's Chronic Pain (Quagsire) (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Water Absorb
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Toxic
  • Blizzard
  • Encore
  • Protect

Kyogre's Fear Of Intimacy (Flutter Mane) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Substitute
  • Calm Mind
  • Energy Ball
  • Thunderbolt

Lil B (Blissey) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Seismic Toss
  • Soft-Boiled
  • Stealth Rock
  • Calm Mind

Photo Of Kyogre's Wife In The Office (Regieleki) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Transistor
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

  • Supercell Slam
  • Thunderbolt
  • Thunder
  • Thunder Wave

Kyogre @ Choice Specs
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Water Spout
  • Ice Beam
  • Origin Pulse
  • Thunder ||
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kyogre counter team

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lean plank
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Can I post this in #comp-general?

timber dawn
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no id just keep it here

lean plank
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i just need feedback

timber dawn
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patience is a virtue

lime prairie
# lean plank i just need feedback

Assuming this is meant to be a gimmick of stuff just to beat kyogre there’s nothing really to rate, it’s not viable for the metagame as is and making it viable would require removing whatever the theme is going for, which is generally why we don’t rate themed teams

lean plank
lime prairie
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Idk just run like 6 water immunes or smth, but nothing I can add specifically for beating kyogre would make the team good or fit the meta so I’m not gonna suggest anything more since this channel is for teams aiming to be competitively viable

rose cargo
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The tier is so dead the RMT has became a LARP heaven

lean plank
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rose cargo
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The other sets seem normal even if they won’t exactly fit the best, but man wtf is that

radiant oasis
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its prob mid this is my team form last year

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and i want to know what to change'

rose cargo
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full ermine
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Ooo ok thx

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sudden drum
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why power gem? doesn't earth power just does it's job better by dealing with steel/fire/poison types?

rose cargo
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And ndm isn’t that common comparatively

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And doesn’t even die from +2 ep

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# carmine remnant https://pokepast.es/7d5688ddca47c5f1

not an expert but I don't think that having two power herb users is necessary, also doesn't lunala works best with trickroom? it's too slow generally, ye you have agility but that needs set up, any knock off is destroying it before it does anything

cinder fox
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gonna take both of these

cinder fox
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the reason for this is because you have boots korai, mbeam etern, and you’re also pairing lunala+etern. this kind of structure seems to gravitate towards webs, but then your lunala is mbeam + you have an ekiller and a hazard lead

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ignoring the fact that chomp isn’t viable bc it’s just a worse deos/glimm, ekiller and mbeam lunala dont really fit webs hos nearly as much as hazard hos

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tldr; while the foundation is good, your sets seem to be going in different directions. it’s hard to build a competent entry level ho that isn’t just one of the samples, so i’d recommend just rolling with one of those

cinder fox
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arcfairy, giratina, and etern aren’t really viable on stall so firstly i’d replace them with mons that are

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wallceus/skarm > fairy, gliscor > gira, and ttar/clod > etern

carmine remnant
cinder fox
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u can also just use a better lead

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that can actually beat bee

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like deos or glimm

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and supplement it with actually good anti-webs sets like lo ekiller, gambit, tb zac etc

cinder fox
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for example dozo should always be full physdef with boots > lefties and waterfall > liquidation for pp

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bliss should always be cm > twave, twave does nothing except ensure you lose to every cmer in the tier

timid whale
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made top 100 ladder with this, team went through a few swaps

deoxys-N -> deoxys-A -> deoxys-S -> grimmsnarl (screens good on offense duh)
kyu-b -> zacian -> zekrom (overall a pretty weird pick, zacian felt like it was leaving repetitive gaps through ekiller / gambit, mainly ho-oh and dozo. zekrom is a weird pick because its slower than kyub, which is already slow, but pre-tera electric coverage is great to have)
regieleki -> lando (need koraidon stop-gap)

a few deviations from stock kits

. went modest instead of jolly on ogre. it's slower but the only key matchup it loses is zacian, which i have checks for anyway, mostly lando.
. +atk instead of +def lando, the stock kit felt too passive and i feel the higher damage rolls on u-turn / eq help for chip. i would choose knock off over rock tomb in a heartbeat but they removed it lol
. LO arceus is there in the stock kit but not the top item. i feel it improves its ghost coverage, and allows it to use its greater bulk through screens + recover with more immediacy.
. dragon tail on zekrom is deadass just to stop enemies from phazing pain unless it misses pain . it also blocks some annoying set up walls though like necroDM / dozo.

rose cargo
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Scarf ogre still works, but you need a zacian check that doesn’t fold a boost from Tera steel

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They just go sd Tera steel and everything dies

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Well, bar Zekrom maybe but play rough is an option

timid whale
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i don't see play a rough a lot and it still folds under reflect

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steep tulip
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This isn't a team viable for any Ubers metagame. While something like Glimmora and non-Mega Rayquaza can work on what I assume is an ND Ubers team, the rest of the team is not even fringe viable

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Also since I see the Mega Rayquaza sprite I have to let you know that that mon is not legal in any metagame atm.

primal nest
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yet you won't comment on my genius rainstall in the adv discord....

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rose cargo
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Pagos give it rocks over earth power and roar over Tera starstorm

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Give Lunala Tera ghost and focus blast over moonblast or else you are gonna have a hard time with ekiller and gambit and everything else

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Koraidon can be a variety of sd sets though, experiment to see which one you like best.

There really are a billion different sets for SD, trust me…

jagged tartan
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I've heard good things about rayquaza on webs

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since it's a webs threat immune to opposing webs

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kind of a flyceus but you can use another arceus forme

rose cargo
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Well, still C tier material at best and even then it isn’t really all that fast.

Without a defensive Tera you get hit with priority, without an offensive Tera you don’t break hard enough…

Honestly, I’d rather just use flyceus/other arc forme + korai Lunala zac pagos Etern etc

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It’s real nice when you get the right matchup with that sub dd set tho

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steep tulip
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definitely not the right channel for you @tepid tree

crude turtle
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in the other category tagging about pet mods

steep tulip
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

crude turtle
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yea im better

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get owned

steep tulip
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taka I am making you QC that chinese zekrom

crude turtle
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is there one left

tepid tree
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Oh thx mb about that I just joined

steep tulip
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wait how the fuck did you tag the other channel @crude turtle

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I'm trynna link to the OMs one and it won't let me

crude turtle
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itsnot an om right

steep tulip
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it is

crude turtle
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i thoughtit was a petmod

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well

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i just right clicked on it

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andit gave me a copy link option

steep tulip
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I think it's a Kris thing?

crude turtle
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unsure if doable on mobile

rose cargo
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Chinese zekrom???

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Perfect for me?

sudden drum
rose cargo
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Dragon dance arc normal kinda unneeded, don’t have enough power to break and calyrex shadow isn’t in Ubers

carmine remnant
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lmk if it's too doghsit to rate

rose cargo
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Way better than the slop we otherwise see

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Personally don’t think there is enough Ho counterplay on this team but otherwise way better than the other “no legendary” slop

carmine remnant
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But like

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Tinglu+scarf korai+hooh+deo a isn't enough?

cinder fox
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ting and scarf korai can help vs some ho but they also suck vs others

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most notably, scarf korai is really not that good in the webs mu

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cuz if webs are up, korai has no speed boost that’s supposed to give it an advantage vs ho, while it still keeps that awful move lock that makes choice mons generally not great in such an aggressive tier

cinder fox
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aside from deoa, there’s no immediate offense

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u have no long term wincon so you’re super reliant on it + spikes to actually break

carmine remnant
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dont know the fix tho

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the idea was switching around deoxys with spikes is very difficult

cinder fox
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i think deoa is just a bad mon in general

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it looks good on paper but having 0 defensive utility just sucks to use

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even the most offensive mons need to have at least some capacity to take generally big hits

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would you be willing to drop deoa on here for something else or do you not want to

cinder fox
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the only thing that deoa truly brings to the table is the speed tier, but the value of this is relatively low because it struggles to ko zacian

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which is the only meaningful advantage that 150 speed gives that zacian's 148 doesnt

carmine remnant
carmine remnant
cinder fox
carmine remnant
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🔥

cinder fox
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first and foremost, u need an actual zacian switchin

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bc atm you have literally none

carmine remnant
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yea

cinder fox
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since u want spikes i think the best way to go would be groudon > ting

carmine remnant
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hell yes alr

cinder fox
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bc this also gives u more leeway vs ogre which you were quite weak to before

carmine remnant
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yep

cinder fox
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secondly i think making the fairy cm idef and korai into smth like boots sd is the way to go for the ho mu

carmine remnant
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idef cm?

cinder fox
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yes

carmine remnant
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what about deo now

cinder fox
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replace it w something like spdef etern

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probably with tox dtail so u dont get instantly 6-0'd by tera poison cm arcs

carmine remnant
cinder fox
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and tbh i also don't like hooh very much

carmine remnant
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mhm

cinder fox
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you'd probably get more mileage using dd knock ndm instead

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w tera dark for lunala

carmine remnant
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what about the ground immunity tho

cinder fox
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well actually i was just about to say air balloon on ndm as well

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like im gonna be real

carmine remnant
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oh lol

cinder fox
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hooh is a pretty bad ground resist

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cuz it just gets smashed by groundy stone edge

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groundy is p much the only offensive ground in the tier so idt u need a ground immune nearly as much as you might in other tiers

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they're good to have dont get me wrong but they're not imperative

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oh one more thing

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u prolly want twave > cm on ogre

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and u 100% want roar on groudon

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spikes blades and then u can choose which of rocks or twave to drop

carmine remnant
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k

crude turtle
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Taka is here

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I think team is fine as is

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With Twave > cm

rose cargo
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Not a fan of don still

Could go with Lando as a Zac check instead imo

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there’s really not much that can be said other than “just use the regular sample ho paste”

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honest sand
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Ye

sudden drum
# honest sand Ye

literally made this randomly i didn't even know there is still samples for older gens other formats, even if i did know wouldn't check bc I think they're a bit outdated

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rose cargo
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Also consider Tera flying on Ho-Oh because miraidon isn’t around

sudden drum
steep tulip
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2HKO opposing ho-oh with bb

sudden drum
steep tulip
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you have ho-oh/scarf korai/t-wave fairy all to soft check zacian

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NDM has moved past just a "wow I am beating zacian!" mon and more into a mid-late game annoyance and wincon

sudden drum
steep tulip
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so does NDM

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I can click SD once or twice and then blow u up with tera fight CC

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or even tera steel to resist sunsteel and 2hko with behemoth

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+3 252 Atk Tera Steel Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 201-237 (50.6 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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in hindsight I think you may be better off with keeping sunsteel for caly-i which is an atrocious MU

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but NDM is not the best answer to bigman zac

sudden drum
steep tulip
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if zacian comes in, 90% of the time it's not switching out

sudden drum
steep tulip
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again I think you can keep it sunsteel

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mostly because of caly-i

sudden drum
steep tulip
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BO probably

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korai/ogre/some kind of arceus/ho-oh/offensive mon/fill

sudden drum
rose cargo
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Expect more Ho if you are playing ladder too

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People can’t get enough of instant dopamine

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Speaking of which, webs + Tera steel Zac MU looking bad

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Webs these days are NASTY

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You are gonna need some more dedicated counterplay imo

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Ndw and Archa are bad too

native yacht
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will probably swap those two out to what i originally had

hard lagoon
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guys i need help

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how do i counter the dondozo stall set

oblique wyvern
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Denying rest is also good

hard lagoon
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btw

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hard lagoon
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rate my team

steep tulip
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adamant kyub is bad cause you end up losing 1v1 to zacian-c

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even if you're tera fire

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also can you explain these arceus EVs

hard lagoon
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i didn't bother investing in speed

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cuz after testing i still lost 1v1 to the pokemon i was trying to outspeed

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i also dont like speed tying w other arc

steep tulip
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why spread the EVs like that? why not all in on HP?

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also Speed is crucial in the few matchups where you need to catch a tera ghost Pokemon and also for Jolly Necrozma-DM

hard lagoon
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steep tulip
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you don't always have to face it when it's set up

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jolly NDM is 278 at base while you're 276 uninvested

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also there's tera ghosts in stuff like rayquaza which CAN run adamant

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so the 56 EVs that the dex recommends I think are paramount

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the ditto also feels like a winmore scenario for you; in balance matches you're not exactly abusing it outside of, say, scarf koraidon or zacian-c copying and in the stall mirror you're maybe copying a knock off from a tyranitar? that's about it

hard lagoon
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i kinda keep it as insurance vs setup mons

steep tulip
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you already have grimmsnarl for opposing HO so maybe try something that offers you outs to your bad MUs

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something like a Lunala can work wonders here

hard lagoon
steep tulip
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  • offers you a second special attacker so you don't permawalled by dozo ho-oh
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hell you could do a kyogre if you really want to

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even a schizo ogre like custap or wacan or 4 attacks with mystic water

hard lagoon
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Kyogre @ Custap Berry
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 156 Def / 32 SpA / 72 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
-Calm Mind
-Origin Pulse
-Ice Beam
-Thunder```
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schizo ogre that lives 1 wild charge after rocks and then kills w/ origin pulse

hard lagoon
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issue is that pulse is inaccurate

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scarf is the best set

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but that overlaps w korai

honest sand
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spout is unreliable too

hard lagoon
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ik

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but it's better than pulse on a fast set

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and the slower sets r unreliable

steep tulip
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if you only want 100% accurate moves this tier really isn't the one for that lmao

hard lagoon
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fair

steep tulip
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sometimes you just gotta hit that shit same way sometimes your icicle spear needs a 5-hit!

hard lagoon
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oml spear and scale shot hv messed me up so often

steep tulip
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tale as old as times for ubers; dynamicpunch mewtwo in gen 2, raw click thunder with everything in gen 3, draco meteor in gen 4, focus blast arceus ghost in gen 5, RAW thunder and focus blast with xerneas over tbolt or hp fire with xerneas; you get the idea

honest sand
hard lagoon
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damn its been that long

hard lagoon
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this could've been me for all we kknow

native yacht
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I need to fix my tera types omegalol

cinder fox
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lots of things

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it’s missing koraidon for one

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and it’s also missing checks to lots of key threats

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kyogre, zacian, etern, lunala, and balloon gambit are the major ones

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a big part of the problem is lugia and great tusk bc they’re both unviable

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korai and landot over those two is much better

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afterwards, you can go etern over one of hooh or zac

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if you drop zac make hooh defensive, if you drop hooh then drop zac for balloon gambit

native yacht
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thank you so much 💃🕺🕺💃

hard lagoon
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how do i beat unhinged sabeleye players

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As it is it’s not optimal but it can be changed to be made good

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The deoxys should be a hazard lead instead of screens since you’re rocky helmet, which frees up arceus to run either a different type or if you wanna keep fairyceus you can do cm taunt or cm iron defense. Since deoxys teams are inherently offensive it’d be best to make koraidon a swords dance set instead, whichever you like is probably fine

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And volcarona is just unviable so that probably is the only non that has to be entirely changed

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The natural replacement is lunala for another setup special attacker around the same speed tier but it’s just better and blocks rapid spin for the team

sudden drum
lime prairie
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But there are other options like going arceus ghost > fairy and another mon instead of lunala

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Yeah sorry volc is just not viable

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Like you can use it if you really want

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But it doesn’t have the power to succeed rn

sudden drum
lime prairie
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The problem is a lot of things deal with it naturally

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Mainly ho-oh but also scarf koraidon, kyogre, and generally the fact that it can’t set up on anything

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Like if you bring it in on fairyceus you’re potentially getting thunder waved, taunted, roared, or power gem’d, and that’s like its best target

sudden drum
lime prairie
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You could do eternatus or kyogre

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Really should just be a special attacker

sudden drum
lime prairie
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Meteor beam on etern and kyogre can be cm balloon or scarf probably

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id go modest etern on lorb sets but thats mostly me

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maybe twave over wisp too

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also pick a tera for zacv

sudden drum
# rose cargo maybe twave over wisp too

went for wisp to cripple physical attackers but twave cripples everything that isn't a ground so that's considerable, also ye I forget that but what tera I should use fighting or fire? or maybe flying

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I’d just go no speed 30 speed IVs if you wanna greed that lando mirror momentum

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Also min speed stone edge is bad, Ho-Oh can burn you and live

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So just use rock tomb

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Also Tera fight is useless without cc

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Use Tera steel or elec atp

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I’d also go espeed over low kick for a little bit of priority but that’s just me.

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the team is illegal in ubers

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sry for the ping

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this is just my sample ho but barely modified

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theres not much to rate other than just me saying use the sample ver

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cinder fox
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mbeam lunala, lo dedge ekiller, taunt tera fire korai, wild charge zac

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only other mon that throws around wisp commonly is waterceus which is taunt bait

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and sometimes groudon

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which is a problem yes but it can be worn down bc it has no recovery outside of lefties

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in addition to wisp not being that common on don in the first place

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hazards, blades, roar, twave, and stone edge/rock tomb are just more important

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cinder fox
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i promise you its really not

silver cloud
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https://pokepast.es/301b36a22762ef59

Very anti meta rain team

Right after you deal with all physical attackers on the opposing team arceus steel basically grants victory

Pelipper checks koraidon
Arceus tera checks many physical sweeper assuming will o wisp hits
Hatterene counters hazard setters like ribombee
Specially invested kyogre with T-Wave can counter switch-ins like opposing kyogre and can survive 2 hits from dynamax cannon eternatus (i think, didnt do calcs but from matches)
And tera water wave crash palafin can hit like a truck

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rose cargo
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We have Kyogre and even Kyogre + arceus fairy can be brute forced by some sets

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All of the sets here are bad, just get a sample team.

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You will find happiness with a better team.

silver cloud
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Whats a good sample team

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which one do u reccomend the most

rose cargo
silver cloud
rose cargo
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Synergy.

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And actually optimal sets.

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One thing breaks for another

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For example, koraidon could help chip down landorus-t to aid in a dd groundceus sweep

silver cloud
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ok ill try that team

silver cloud
rose cargo
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rose cargo
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Tera fire so that you can click taunt and stop arc fairy twave shenanigans

silver cloud
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what stall mons would that coutner

rose cargo
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You beat stall by chipping down important walls and using the correct moves at the right time, but honestly I don’t think you are at the level where you would face a well played stall team

silver cloud
rose cargo
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1600+ At least

silver cloud
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when i actually laddered i uesd deoxys attack to break stall

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what do you think of that mon

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i remmber there were really nasty eternatus cosmic power sets

rose cargo
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stall can still pivot around to deal with it, but you can win if you get the turns right

inland mountain
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just starting singles from vgc what does the ubers meta game look like i cant find any videos abt it on like youtube is like palifin rain good or ho-oh/lugia

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also what does ribombee do and why is there so much of it

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does ray with air lock hard check koridon

oblique wyvern
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No?

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Koraidon is faster than ray

jagged tartan
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Answered these qs in #comp-general-2

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gonna tag the best adv uberer I can find in this server @primal nest

primal nest
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hmmm

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i think you're weak to tauntcm m2

old hollow
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Wait guys this is my first ubers team (national dex) is it tuff

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no cuz where's the ubers

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https://pokepast.es/a1fdb92eb93f655f

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!cobblemon

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  1. This team is hilariously underpowered for Ubers
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Oh wait my fault I didn’t see that

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I'd only really keep Chi-Yu and Koraidon on this team, MAYBE Flutter Mane cause it's fun and Ho-Oh but make it phys def. You wanna have a more solid defensive backbone of something like Landorus-T and an Arceus Fairy

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If you do Arceus Fairy you gotta drop FM for a sturdier answer to Kyogre, maybe Etern

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not gonna pretend like I know the tier better but mence as the Groudon check is interesting

primal nest
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i didn't have big issues with don in testing

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you have a couple soft checks to don

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you can always just hard ogre in if you need to

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if they don't twave on the switch they've gotta either accept tox or switch out

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if you go mence i mean

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gar, cloy, mence, ogre all mostly beat don 1v1

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none of these mons are viable, i’d drop it and take a look at the ubers resources so you get a feel for what’s good and used in this tier

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jagged tartan
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there's 0.5 viable guys at best

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unless you're referring to Amoonguss's BW Ubers viability

primal nest
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there are more than two viable guys

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but less than all of those viable guys are on the team

rose cargo
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Flutter mane is the only real one

full turtle
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Anyone can give me a good lulana team with nothing but ghost types

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maybe a setup sweeper for ghost types

south wraith
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i cant go above the rank of 1520 with this team...

steep tulip
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Why are you going Arceus-less and also groundless lol

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Tera Types are also a lil weird

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@south wraith fixing this requires me to ask what you actually are going for and what you're trying to keep

south wraith
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steep tulip
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keeping korai is probably the play as is keeping lunala in some way shape or forme; you can do a balloon kyogre over etern and then maybe taunt lando-t over the terapagos

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tera flying on zacian-c and heavy duty boots lunala and caly-i, though

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this also allows you to run iron head on koraidon over flame charge with tera steel to beat fairyceus better

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wait you're still arceuless in example LOL

south wraith
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yea

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i can

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change lando to groundarc

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steep tulip
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you'd have no stealth rock setter

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or a way to try and beat some arceus formes

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and no ground resist/immune w/o investing heavily into other stuff

south wraith
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oh

south wraith
rose cargo
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Consider timid agility for Lunala imo…

south wraith
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also make one of arceus or koraidon into tera ghost to have better low kick korai MU

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Lead Skarmory is bad; you instantly lose to nearly every lead, not least of which is Deo S

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Though I suppose the point is that you're fully immune to Spikes

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Toxic on Latias isnt that good; its best switch ins are Steel types and Blissey

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You also just hard lose to Ho-Oh, especially Substitute Ho-Oh

primal nest
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makes sense, thanks

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my assumption was that leads would all be either spikes or spikes counterleads

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i wasn't worried about spikes leads of course and spikes counterleads seemed like they'd be too varied to get a broadly good matchup spread into

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toxic tias i can change for whatever, though it does happen to let me beat hooh 1v1 sans sub

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my plan vs sub hooh was go lugia but perhaps sfire does too much for that to work

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or they can lastmon me

cinder fox
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the leads are deos and deos counterleads

primal nest
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yeah exactly

cinder fox
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you see ogre in the lead slot sometimes on qwil teams or teams that have literally no other option

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and more rarely you may see leads like groudon/dialga that accept losing to deos to better their mus into certain key threats

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but by and large the lead meta is the deos show

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Someone rate my team out of my fav mons:

Matcha (Sinistcha) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Heatproof
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Trick Room
  • Matcha Gotcha
  • Reflect
  • Stun Spore

Chesgoat (Chesnaught) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Drain Punch
  • Belly Drum
  • Wood Hammer
  • Rock Slide

Palossand (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Compaction
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Stealth Rock
  • Shore Up
  • Destiny Bond
  • Poltergeist

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Close Combat
  • U-turn
  • Ice Punch

Corviknight (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mirror Armor
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpD
Impish Nature

  • Brave Bird
  • Defog
  • U-turn
  • Roost

Fih (Chi-Yu) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

  • Overheat
  • Dark Pulse
  • Flamethrower
  • Nasty Plot
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Also, how do you check Koraidon

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Oh

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Alr ig

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clever condor
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Just played Ubers

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You can’t possibly approve that

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And that’s CM spout with bold nature???? Huh???

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the team feels a bit all over the place, I don't think water spout is good with a cm set with no healing just origin pulse should be fine

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# rich dirge https://pokepast.es/755f2021e09d60d0

fix the koraidon and kyogre sets and remove the nicknames, just make korai standard sd dice and kyogre standard twave 3a. i’d also replace hooh with smth like spdef etern to better stave off kyogre

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dmax toxic dtail recover

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this way u can both check ogre and not get instantly 6-0’d by tera poison cm arc

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I made this Ubers team out of some of my fav Pokémon’s

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even still, going itemless on Koraidon with subpar moves (U-turn on non-choiced, Collission Course over Close Combat or Low Kick) and an overreliance on sun w/o a solid gameplan against the likes of something like DD Groundceus or bulkier mons like Waterceus, fairyceus, Kyogre and Ho-Oh

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best advice I can give you is to try Ubers UU out, where some of your choices are much more viable (chi-yu in particular) but I don't think Goodra, Pallosand and Chesnaught have any niche outside of much lower tiers...

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I think they got rid of the ladder

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still selectable in the teambuilder

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and the UM room has resources and tournaments for it etc

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you can challenge others you can play in tournaments on PS and on smogon

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trying to fill all 6 slots with favorites means you gotta take the L at times

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I should be running it with choice scarf

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try a sample team atp

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i js made this team like when i began smogon ages ago i have bettrr teams but i like this hard rain team but idk what o changw

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wb this one

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make lando-t rock tomb and make fairyceus faster than KyuB

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ok ty

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i’ll take this in some time

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considering the changes are super minimal there’s not much i can rate without turning it into the sample so i’d just go with that (keep this lunala set tho)

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zekrom isn’t really viable in this tier cuz it’s outclassed by koraidon and kyub (latter of which is super fringe as-is), sets up on pretty much nothing, and struggles to get past its checks even when boosted

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especially landot/groudon

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I shall require assistance for this one

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looks ok except for a few things

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firstly i dont see why dialga has power gem

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instead of thunder

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without thunder this looks rlly weak to ogre

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second, instead of twave roar i think tera poison demonceus is the way to go

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it's better vs sd korai and cm arcs + u can lure hooh w trick and pivot into it w etern and ur own hooh

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dtail > fire spin on etern, i do not see what fire spin is doing for you at all and dtail gives you more outs vs cm ogre, lunala, and cm taunt arcs

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and speaking of lunala, tera dark > grass on etern

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which also helps vs ghosty and demon ndm cheese shit

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tera ghost > dragon on korai otherwise ur a bit weak to ekiller

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tera fairy > stellar on dia, helps vs fc korai

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Dialga Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Ho-Oh: 436-516 (104.8 - 124%) -- guaranteed OHKO

cinder fox
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trick is effectively an ohko on hooh

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Mmm… true

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Tera fairy seems good, I’ll go with that

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a lot of that is because ur using ting and ur only true korai switchin is fairyceus

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hooh doesnt count cuz it dies to +2 scale shot

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so the first thing i’d do is spikesdon > ting

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i personally think ting is really not that good cuz it just sucks against p much every top threat

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B-b-but it is good against Eternatus and Lunala!

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don on the other hand gives u more options vs korai zac and the sun is able to limit ogre

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anyways. what i’d recommend is making don double hazard w roar and tera water, that way u resist fire/water/ice/steel moves from the big three and it also helps vs other guys like calyi, and also check korai and zac (other physical guys too but those are the main ones) more reliably cuz u dont need to rely on precimiss as much and can phaze zac even if it clicks some bs like tera fly or sub

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waterceus > fairy, having korai+water+don+rayray means ogre can’t just brainlessly click its moves. it’s also another zac check, can also toss around broken twaves to help ray, and can phaze korai/zac

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judg twave phaze recover, its ur choice on if u want dtail or roar. roar can phaze zac and tera fairy guys while dtail cannot, but dtail can phaze taunt korai which roar cannot

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tera dark > fairy on hooh, helps vs lunala and ghosty which ur a bit weak to without ting

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hatt > zac. it gives u a physdef fairy to help check korai, broken nuzzle, hwish, but most importantly bounces back rocks which i’d say is essential for band ray to function. as a bonus it improves the webs, spikesdon, and stall mus whereas before u were 100% reliant on ray to break stall. either lefties to avoid getting 2hkoed by spikesdon or helmet for extra chip vs korai, your choice. nuzzle/psynoise/painsplit/hwish are the moves

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iyw u can make korai sd with hatt but its not necessary

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ubers singles and you have rilla boom?

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you need to mess around with sample teams

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and replace with what you need

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How is my gen 6 Ubers team?
Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
EVs: 140 HP / 40 Atk / 52 SpA / 120 SpD / 156 Spe

  • Eruption
  • Precipice Blades
  • Solar Beam
  • Iron Tail

Kyogre @ Blue Orb
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 140 HP / 96 Def / 112 SpA / 72 SpD / 88 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Origin Pulse
  • Thunder
  • Signal Beam
  • Calm Mind

Arceus-Dragon @ Draco Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 84 HP / 44 Atk / 80 Def / 116 SpA / 76 SpD / 108 Spe

  • Judgment
  • Fire Blast
  • Recover
  • Seismic Toss

Dialga @ Adamant Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 108 HP / 52 Atk / 68 Def / 84 SpA / 96 SpD / 100 Spe

  • Iron Tail
  • Dragon Breath
  • Aura Sphere
  • Thunderbolt

Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 176 HP / 132 Atk / 28 Def / 72 SpD / 100 Spe

  • Zen Headbutt
  • Meteor Mash
  • Dynamic Punch
  • Explosion

Rayquaza @ Leftovers
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 124 HP / 84 Atk / 100 Def / 96 SpD / 104 Spe

  • Dragon Ascent
  • V-create
  • Dragon Dance
  • Extreme Speed
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This team is unfortunately extremely underpowered in the Ubers tier

stiff phoenix
jagged tartan
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The best solution is to scrap it and rebuild

stiff phoenix
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And what’s so underpowered about it? BST?

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Pretty much yeah

stiff phoenix
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Ok

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That or the fact that you lack Pokemon that can switch into common threats in the metagame

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I don’t really know what that means😅

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Ok, so there are two main ways to build Ubers teams if you're a beginner

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Go all-out with hyper offense, or pack offense as needed but also have some Pokemon that can take hits

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Your set of 6 is neither strong enough nor able to take hits from other strong attackers

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I see

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I'd recommend that you take a look at the SV Ubers sample teams so you can get a sense for what Pokemon are worth using

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^ 2nd link

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Sounds good

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I use scrafty instead of golurk now but the rest of the team is the same

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Got that gym leader mindset, in fact i'm more loyal to my fav typing than a lot of gym leaders

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can someone provide some suggestions on how to improve this trick room team I made: https://pokepast.es/6648e46180d55a64 I got to 1556 elo with it but losing more than when I was lower elo

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i see

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glacial root
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I think that's generally true tho

rose cargo
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Why has this channel turned into larp central?

glacial root
teal portal
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is double ubers allowed ehre

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idk what smogon doubles is so ill just post mine here

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i made it in like 15 mins to 1v1 my friends but it works pretty well in normal matches

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the only problem is i went against someone with astral barrage and it lowkey swept my team

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I hope my team is good enough to be the new #1 ubers player

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Is this good?

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and also no, you're way too weak to Kyogre

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not to mention that great tusk and raging bolt are unviable in Ubers, and Flutter Mane is fringe at best

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Is this better then

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darn

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# fleet pulsar https://pokepast.es/6d830ca22d7cbbce new to ubers, usually play ou

sry just seeing this now but this is a fine start, all the mons are good and they form fairly natural cores. I think with pagos on this tho you can use a greedy ndm, something like max speed max attack and an item like covert cloak, metal coat, lum berry, twisted spoon if you go photon sets, etc. Since pagos is rocks fairyceus can also drop it for cm or power gem depending on what you put on the ndm. I think smth optional also is tera grass ho-oh as your ogre mu is mid, but it's playable with korai and prio

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having double slow steels would be the issue with this team if anything, and gambit isn't super needed with pagos as a ghost answer, so changing that out for a lot of things could work as well

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stuff like kyogre, etern, or groudon stand out as ideas to me

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What about meeee gmcat

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it's like the chatot bot said this channel isn't for doubles ubers

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and I don't play it so I can't rate any teams for it

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you can try the doubles channel

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ples

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1 sec

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low yacht
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it's for a ubers tourney in a game so i dont have many legends wich is bad

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also there is no terra or mega or gmax

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whats the core idea behind this team

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rn this team looks like it threw together mons and sets without having a real gameplan or central focus

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so i wanna know what the central focus u were trying to build with was so we can take that further

sudden drum
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ur super weak to hooh

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i also dont see why gira is here

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instead of smth like hooh

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or ogre

sudden drum
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no?

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not at all

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in other gens sure but this gen is very lacking in removal with gira being the only “good” mon that has fog

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and even then i hate gira in general cuz its slow and weak to basically every top threat while having no recovery

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smth like ogre is far better

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yes

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i also understand u wanted to try double fairy but truthfully idt this is the structure for it

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let alone demon fairy

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so i’d just replace it w ekiller

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silk scarf or lefties

sudden drum
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what set for gore

cinder fox
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standard bold twave 3a

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Kyogre @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 164 Def / 80 SpA / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Thunder Wave
  • Origin Pulse
  • Ice Beam
  • Thunder
sudden drum
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lefties > silk scarf on ekiller for lunala

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for hooh and physdef arcs

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and make korai into some sd set

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also go dtail > flame on etern

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flame is basically useless on spdef etern bc zac in rain is still easily eating

sudden drum
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dice

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lo is p inconsistent

sudden drum
cinder fox
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u are already walled by zac and switching out of it anyways

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plus u have lando

cinder fox
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actually make it clear amulet flame charge

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for the webs mu

sudden drum
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clam is better vs lando

sudden drum
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ok then, anything else?

cinder fox
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nah

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i got to 1490 in ubers

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wid this team

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cinder fox
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would recommend using a sample instead

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i got to top 500 yesterday with this team alone

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whats messed up about it tho

cinder fox
pastel epoch
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why not :(

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volcanion is wholly outclassed by better mons, including but not limited to kyogre and hooh. mola is incredibly passive and thus exploitable for good players, compounded by the fact that it isn’t a hard check to anything. if ur goal is to have a soft check vs lots of things, hooh is just better. ursaluna is slow, has lots of weaknesses, and is outclassed by literally every special attacker in the tier. clodsire is useless outside of checking fairyceus, it sucks at checking ogre since it’s completely passive + ogre only needs a single cm to win the 1v1

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and gira is not a mon i would recommend to anyone bc it’s slow, has no recovery, and is weak to basically every top mon without tera

pastel epoch
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dont most ppl do scarf

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and it doesnt need cm one water spout and its dead

pastel epoch
cinder fox
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it’s not

pastel epoch
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if they swords dance i can easy flip turn to clodsire with its unaware

pastel epoch
cinder fox
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wild charge

pastel epoch
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wild charge only kills at 3x+ atack

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or 2.5x+

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which wont happen

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since if they zac im flip turning to clodsire early

cinder fox
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vs this team zac gets MANY opportunities to sd once

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clod is not a zac check

pastel epoch
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how is it not

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😭

cinder fox
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it is too weak to actually kill zac and gets 2hko’d by blade

pastel epoch
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nah

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3hko

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leftover

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eq 2hko

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trust me

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zac has a 25% chacne of 2hko clodsire

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after leftovers recovery

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and clod has a 100% kill for zac

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they wouldnt waste tera on clodsire anyways

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even if they tera first turn then toxic comes out

cinder fox
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that’s not reliable bc tera steel and/or flying dominates u

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also

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how on earth do u deal with sub zac

pastel epoch
cinder fox
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yes

pastel epoch
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who does tera steel zac

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i only see fighting and sometimes electric

cinder fox
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it’s a relevant tera bro

pastel epoch
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ive NEVER seeni t

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played over 150 ubers games befoer

cinder fox
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low ladder ubers

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tends to not use good mons

pastel epoch
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im lb player

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top 500

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won countless 1600s with this team

cinder fox
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1600 is mid ladder at best

pastel epoch
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mid ladder?

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no one plays ubers then

cinder fox
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my guy u are talking to someone who qualified for ubers ladder tour

pastel epoch
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what is ubrs ladder tour