Ubers

[median geyser]

U have a ndm for zacian and a Arceus fairy for koraidon

[drifting pond]

js added fairyceus bc I needed a fairy type

[median geyser]

Ting lu can be used to check eterntaus and has a decent matchup into most physical threats and can pace sweepers with whirlwind the only physical Mon it struggle aganist are zacian and koraidon for both of em u have good switch ins so I would say ting lu would be optimal

Here

[drifting pond]

hm

alr

[median geyser]

Fairyceus is nesseceary

For any bo team

Fairyceus or waterceus

[drifting pond]

Ting-Lu also helps mewtwo

[median geyser]

It can check all special threats of Ubers lunala Arceus ghost except for Kyogre

[jagged tartan]

I would recommend just going Etern > Mewtwo personally

[drifting pond]

alr brb

[jagged tartan]

You lack ways to switch into Kyogre

[drifting pond]

I made this team for a mewtwo I'll prolly js make another for that

[median geyser]

Oh yuh few other changes

Make the Kyogre defensive

Instead of specs

U have Mewtwo for stall

[median geyser]

Can check calyrex ice and ho oh

Kyogre @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 240 HP / 176 Def / 76 SpA / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Calm Mind
• Thunder

Wait tera ghost is outdated

Af

Make it tera fairy

[drifting pond]

realised that said Boots and not vest and I was thinking "calm mind with vest??"

[median geyser]

Happens

[median geyser]

This allows ogre to survive 2 close combats from koraidon and 4 brave birds

From ho ou

Ho oh

Defensive ho oh

W tera fairy it completely walls

Koraidon

Resisting every single move of koraidon

Because of rain

Fire types bounces off asw

[drifting pond]

https://pokepast.es/d3365e0c56f56a40

[median geyser]

Ye pretty standard

Oh makes ting lu

Leftovers

Or custap berry

[jagged tartan]

Do you need Specs on Mewtwo?

Why not Nasty Plot?

[drifting pond]

Risk of more damage

mewtwo also isn't on the defensive side

[median geyser]

I'd say ur team really fucks up

Ho and

Stall

[drifting pond]

did u js change ur pfp-

[median geyser]

No ?

I have diff pfps for the server

And outside

Of server

[drifting pond]

I'm tripping

I have the worst gen 7 ag teams that I'm js realising

[median geyser]

Demon arc fairy and tr ndm can both win vs ho on their own

I'd say vs stall is kinda weird u have to position ur mewtwo in such a way that u don't let them tera dark

U can atleast ensure 1 kill with Mewtwo unless they tera turn 1

That is if ur fortunate enough to not face ttar stall

[jagged tartan]

Part of me just thinks that Specs Mewtwo is unnecessary

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/98f94f2354787a7e

I hate scale shot missing

Also, am I building life orb koraidon correctly here? I feel like without Tera electric I dunno how to get through stall.

[rose cargo]

Lots of stall can’t really use Tera dark stuff unless they are packing Tera dark clodsire

Because only that can take both mewtwo and specs kyogre

Even then you have to worry about nasty plot life orb focus blast if accounting for these real cteam matchups

[median geyser]

U don't need tera electric tbh I dont think it ohkoes ho oh even with tera electric ur better off with tera fire

[rose cargo]

Blocks twave from arc fairy

Resists behemoth blade

And also has a high chance to one shot arc fairy with boosted wild charge

Oh yeah, Tera electric two shots skeledirge

[median geyser]

Well most common sample stall team have ttar and blissey core that's really tough core

[median geyser]

Fair then

[rose cargo]

Just run grass knot and / or focus blast lol

Perfect stall cteam

[median geyser]

Oh right

Mewtwo can run

Focus blast

For ttar

[rose cargo]

Grass knot also hits ting Lu just as hard

Just try to land

[median geyser]

Isn't

Kyurem or zekrom

Just a better koraidon

Here

Specifically for this set

[rose cargo]

I have never seen a serious HO that drops koraidon

[median geyser]

It don't u can use scale shot or flame charge dclaw

Switch Arceus normal for either of that

[old rover]

https://pokepast.es/618e28104f4a8c0a

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[old rover]

what can I improve on my team?

[lime prairie]

the main issues are that great tusk is unviable and the way the mons are put together isn't synergistic

mons like garg and blissey are only really viable on hard stall where you can afford to have them kinda sit around for a bit

[old rover]

ok, so...if I wanted to take a pure offence approach, what should i substitute?

[lime prairie]

koraidon zacian and ghostceus are a good pick for full offense

[cinder fox]

just make it pure webs atp

[lime prairie]

the other 3 likely have to go in favour of setup mons

[cinder fox]

ribombee > tusk, terapagos > garg, etern > bliss

if you wanna go pure offense

[lime prairie]

great tusk technically can function as a stealth rock lead bc it has rocks taunt spin endeavor

but that's not recommended

[cinder fox]

physdef support terapagos btw

rocks tox spin roar. not sweeping sets

also change the zac tera to fire imo, crunch is fine but idl tera elec with crunch

[old rover]

i see...

[cinder fox]

use lo etern, which is the one on the dex

and ribombee should be scarf, not sash

cuz you have turtle

webs moonblast stunspore trick

[old rover]

ok, so sub in terapogos, eternatus, and ribombee?

will do

i appreciate the feedback

[lime prairie]

that's not the only way you could take it but if you wanted to take the offensive approach it's a good one

that's a fairly common structure

would be hard to keep more than 3/6 on this build tho since they just don't all work well together in any given playstyle when other teammates could give more synergy

[cinder fox]

also this is personal preference but you can go for taunt > pgem and tera ghost > stellar on ghosty iyw, but current set is perfectly fine if you wanna keep

tho imo aura sphere > focus miss

[lime prairie]

only way would be the lead great tusk thing I mentioned but stuff like deoxys can fulfill a similar and better role as a lead

so the 3 offensive mons are a good core to keep

[old rover]

ok, i'll give this updated team a couple of days to see how i like it, and if it isnt going well, i'll seek to update it further

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/98f94f2354787a7e

… been waiting for a while

I still wanna see if I can make some lorb koraidon HO

Could be glimmora could be ribombee could be deo

Idk man

I think if glimmora can work I wanna make this into glim

[jagged tartan]

atp just like ping oreo or fc tbh

[rose cargo]

@lime prairie you might recognize this team.

@cinder fox if he isn’t available

[cinder fox]

so idg why its sash bee and why theres an ekiller first of all

korai set itself idt is very good

you really dont need to overthink this too much, just make it regular tera fire scale shot korai but w lo > dice. throw on cm taunt 2a ghosty > lunala and ndm > ekiller and make it scarf bee imo

[lime prairie]

If lo koraidon is the goal of the team there’s no reason to change it

You probably just make it tera fire

And consider dclaw/scale > wild but wild is more than fine

Just dies early

I think the mon changes would also work but they aren’t necessary

You can maybe consider silk scarf double edge ekiller > eq

Shit is a roll to ohko zacian at +2 w tera normal

Ndm ghostceus works fine but the mirror becomes harder, since opposing boots lunala gets harder to switch into. Comes down to who plays pagos better. Balance mu is fine tho and ndm has more cheese potential vs standard stuff than lunala

[cinder fox]

well my personal problem with ekiller on webs is that its just kinda redundant in general

ekiller is much more suited to deos ho, on webs ho another arc like ghost or fairy or even flying is usually just better

i also dont like wild charge very much at all + i hate no dragon move korai, hitting etern is just too important in this meta imo

[rose cargo]

I’ve always thought that ekiller is just easy to use and a good safety net in general as well, and baiting In Zac to remove it with eq is something that was really fun… unless I decide to play this team on the switch for whatever reason I do it all the time then it’s prolly gonna stay there

As for no dragon move korai… who stays in raw versus koraidon with eternatus? I think by the time that koraidon reveals all of its moves the game is usually already over one way or another.

Maybe I could slap on some different move, like double edge as it does one tap Ho-Oh

Ykw ima go and build this shi immediately

Well, when I get time, free from my other drama

Expect to see a switch pic in the future

[cinder fox]

well even then one of the biggest appeals of lo korai is the flare blitz killing everything which you don't do if its wild charge flame charge

scale is also just amazing in general, there's a reason speed boosting with the stab move that threatens the best mon in the tier is so dangerous

even without loaded dice, 3 hits lo scale is still plenty strong especially with an sd

[rose cargo]

Hmmm

I’ll go test both

[rose cargo]

Ok, tested both, flare blitz hits hard asf but kills itself and koraidon often really likes having a second method of speed boost against fairy types that likes to come and block scale shot

I think lorb CC might just be enough for most targets already but I don’t really know

Maybe iron head over flare blitz? Nah idk I’ll just see which one works better

[rose cargo]

Holy shi I realized how good iron head is into kyogre arc fairy

[shut skiff]

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[honest sand]

Ur pokepaste is fucked 💔

[carmine remnant]

My eyes

[median geyser]

https://pokepast.es/87c40ec4c75aa101

[median geyser]

Is it fixed now

[honest sand]

Ye

[median geyser]

Ts team ain't build for ladder 💔

[rose cargo]

No stab NDM 🥀

Where is your speed control vro

HO is gonna cook u with just their sweepers

🥀

[median geyser]

Its not suppose to do well vs ho

[carmine remnant]

In ubers?

[median geyser]

Yes

[cinder fox]

ubers team that doesnt do well vs ho is a bad team icl

you cant just ignore ho in this tier

also you get 6-0'd by zacian

ndm is not enough, much less defensive ndm

while the sets on here are technically fine on their own, they're not really synergistic at all

and atp suggesting changes would lead to creating an entirely different team

so i'd just look at the samples

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Uber (Gen 9)

• Viability Rankings
• Sample Teams
• Set Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Tera Type Index
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Simple Questions and Answers Thread
• Ubers Discord
• Pokemon Showdown Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[solemn kite]

Is this team goated

https://pokepast.es/b341f591ddbd1c81

[jagged tartan]

So this is a doubles Ubers team, which we don't rate

[solemn kite]

Oh

[jagged tartan]

Yeah this is for singles Ubers

[solemn kite]

Where do I find double Ubers

[jagged tartan]

You might be able to get help in https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060682530094862477

If that doesn't pan out, then you should ask in the Doubles room on Pokemon Showdown

[median geyser]

https://pokepast.es/12aa23f57d63bfcb

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[honest sand]

sticky web trick room

[carmine remnant]

Where the rest of the EVs at 😔

[lime prairie]

This is technically fine with caly I instead of ndm I’ve used it in tours before

HO proofs your own webs

[lime prairie]

With this you have something of the right idea but you gotta change a few things around

Your arceus has to be cm on webs, zekrom is kinda just bad but you need max attack if you run it, sub lo korai doesn’t really work you should just go lo 3a or loaded dice, and trick room ndm doesn’t really work here

You want either dd or just to replace it

Probably with like a boots lunala or smth

To spinblock

Since with boots lunala and flyceus your team won’t be super weak to opposing webs in the webs vs webs both up mu but if they rapid spin you’ll lose

[somber burrow]

how to defeat koraidon

my pidgeot always lose

i even try charizard but he lose

[carmine remnant]

[jagged tartan]

by not using pidgeot or charizard

[median geyser]

Use tera fairy heatran

[scarlet sage]

Pidgeot in Ubers

[scenic mantle]

https://pokepast.es/38912b52ab3dfe80

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[scenic mantle]

what should i change?

?

[oblique wyvern]

Raging bolt is unviable in ubers

Switching it to something like lunala would be better

[lime prairie]

Raging bolt isn’t unviable

It’s just a niche offense build pick

You are probably right though that lunala would fit better since there’s no spinblocker for max hazards deoxys

[scenic mantle]

which set for lunala

[late plank]

Hey guys. I need some help with completing my team… I want to use Calyrex-ice with DM necrozma (impish). Who else do I need to place there? (Note: I can’t use Koraidon/Miraidon, but any others are free to use 4me)

[median geyser]

Arceus fairy eterntaus zacian tinglu/giratinao

[cinder fox]

mirai is banned, korai is arbitrary restrictions which we cant help with

!nolegends

hrm chatot's dead

[late plank]

Maybe u can advice not the best but good enough team wo Koraidon?…

[cinder fox]

there aren’t any good koraidon-less teams aside from stall which doesn’t use calyice or ndm

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/529bae0c9149d26d

im wondering if anybody can help improve this fishing rod

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[steep tulip]

do NDW

[rose cargo]

Gambit outspeeding ting Lu outside of TR is helpful

I guess

[steep tulip]

and a hwish arceus

[rose cargo]

Ndw over NDM?

And hwish over who

[cinder fox]

ndw > ndm and hwish ground > lunala imo

[rose cargo]

Which groundy set tho

[cinder fox]

none on the dex, just a more specific slow defensive set

rocks judg tr hwish

and u want investment sufficient to eat a +3 zac blade

try to also maximize special bulk in the interest of eating lo etern best

[cinder fox]

while doing this i mean, this should be prioritized

[rose cargo]

Hmmm… I am thinking 252 112 neutral defense to live after stealth rocks (if that’s every coming up)

And do I just go with a calm nature with no speed investment?

https://pokepast.es/9218439f51a92e11

[median geyser]

https://pokepast.es/6ffbb54280bb3ee5

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[wicked brook]

https://pokepast.es/f33623fa86a49a38
first attempt at building in ubers

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[scarlet sage]

Great Neck and Landorus T are odd choices but the team looks decent

[carmine remnant]

lando isnt odd wdym

[scarlet sage]

What about the giraffe

[wicked brook]

I mostly wanted something that could switch into kyogre that wasnt super passive like clod

though it doesnt really take hits all that well lol

[cinder fox]

this is a fine start, better than most i would say, but there’s still prominent issues

flutter isn’t a good mon in this meta, bolt is fine but doesn’t fit here, scarf korai is honestly super mid nowadays

you’d also rather have a stronger ekiller set like lo or silk scarf

[cinder fox]

feel free to ping me later to resume rate but i gotta do some stuff

[rose cargo]

Hey flutter is viable on some teams

definitely at least as good as raging bolt what

[sonic cipher]

Yeah since koraidon is so popular it can very often just get a scarf boost without doing anything

[vocal tree]

Gen9 UBER https://pokepast.es/b5f40ac67803e130

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[vocal tree]

i cot a tournament comming up

i need to know if this team is good/decent enough

[crude turtle]

N

The first three are good the rest are unviable

U should prob be boots caly if you have scarf kor rocks ndm

And have ho oh fairyceus kyogre last or smth idk

Or etern waterceus ho oh

[vocal tree]

legend Hidden abilities are banned so hooh isnt an option

any sub for it?

also ground and fairy arceus so 2?

[cinder fox]

!nolegends

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[vocal tree]

i only said hidden ability ones so its only ho oh

[soft kraken]

Hello guys I m a beginner in strategy. Here is my current team if you can give me some advices. I’m not sure about giratina if there are better options please say me 🙏

Zacian-Crowned @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Wild Charge
• Play Rough
• Iron Head

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Origin Pulse
• Thunder
• Ice Beam
• Water Spout

Koraidon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Flare Blitz
• U-turn
• Outrage
• Low Kick

Ho-Oh @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature

• Sacred Fire
• Recover
• Brave Bird
• Whirlwind

Arceus @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Multitype
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 200 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Swords Dance
• Shadow Claw
• Earthquake

Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Core
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 200 HP / 252 Atk / 40 SpD / 16 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Shadow Sneak
• Defog
• Dragon Tail
• Thunder Wave

[carmine remnant]

!pokepaste

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[soft kraken]

I tried to do it but it doesn’t work for me sorry

[jagged tartan]

this is functionally saying "no ho-oh"

because Ho-Oh only uses Regen

[median geyser]

Pressure stall ho oh

[vocal garden]

Can you guys rate my ubers team and give suggestions?

[jagged tartan]

You'd have to send it in here

For us to be able to rate it

[vocal garden]

okay

Eternatus @ Power Herb
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flamethrower
• Dynamax Cannon
• Meteor Beam
• Agility

Ditto @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Imposter
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
IVs: 30 Atk

• Transform

Chien-Pao @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Sucker Punch
• Ice Spinner
• Haze
• Throat Chop

Koraidon @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Head
• Scale Shot
• Swords Dance
• Collision Course

Glimmora @ Focus Sash
Ability: Toxic Debris
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 248 HP / 4 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Mortal Spin
• Power Gem
• Spiky Shield
• Stealth Rock

Arceus-Fairy @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Judgment
• Earth Power
• Recover
• Will-O-Wisp

[carmine remnant]

!pokepaste

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[vocal garden]

https://pokepast.es/0df1b1e93b85ef4f

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[jagged tartan]

I would say that Ditto and Chien-Pao don't make that much sense here

Chien-Pao's set is also suboptimal, as is Fairyceus's

[vocal garden]

fair

[jagged tartan]

I also think that Flare Blitz is probably better than Collision Course here

you're also missing a Pokemon that can ignore Webs

this would either be an offensive Flying-type like Rayquaza or Arceus-Flying, a Pokemon with Heavy-Duty Boots, or a Pokemon with Trick Room

[vocal garden]

yeah

[jagged tartan]

finally, you're really weak into Zacian-C

[vocal garden]

trick room is a rough matchup

for zacian, ditto blocks it a good amount of the time

but what would you suggest

[jagged tartan]

I was running under the assumption that we would replace Ditto

[vocal garden]

what changes would you make to the team

[jagged tartan]

I would probably say a Demon NDM helps you ward off Zacian-C and Caly I

that makes Fairyceus a bit redundant, as that is what it would commonly run on HO

[vocal garden]

would you think Demon NDM would be weakness

[jagged tartan]

I guess you become more annoyed by Ho-Oh, though it's not like you weren't already annoyed by it with Ditto and Chien-Pao

[vocal garden]

yeah

the ho-oh matchup seems to always suck

you said chien pao should get replaced?

[jagged tartan]

what if you replaced Arceus-Fairy with Arceus-Ground

it gives you another Pokemon that scares it out

[vocal garden]

zacian?

[jagged tartan]

well you still want your webs ignoring Pokemon

[vocal garden]

so

[jagged tartan]

Probably a boots Pokemon

[vocal garden]

like what

[jagged tartan]

I would ask Oreo but he's not in this Discord server

[rose cargo]

He left…

[rose cargo]

Boots / clear amulet koraidon is a pretty common method of webs counterplay

Some teams also run scarf lando simply for that webs immune speed control

On a side note, I would also run Tera steel on koraidon if running iron head

Because +2 iron head doesn’t one tap arc fairy even with orichalcum pulse boost active

Like it doesn’t even come close

No dice raw scale shot is usable on some teams too

But for this team? Ehhhhhh

Webs + arceus ghost…

Ghostceus + webs really cook you

As focus blast + judgment completely improofs it versus ditto

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[jagged tartan]

are you sure that's an Ubers team?

only like 3 of those Pokemon are viable in Ubers and only two of them are tiered in Ubers

[slender kelp]

Idk.....I was playing it as a VGC reg I format
But I didn't see that option

[jagged tartan]

it should be under SV Doubles

[slender kelp]

Okay thanks
It's my first time so made a mistake

[stark cloud]

Isn't this a vgc team?

[slender kelp]

Yaa the last one

Where do I post it then to get it rated

[stark cloud]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

[slender kelp]

See I was told to post in ubers instead

[stark cloud]

probably because you have it as a ubers team in your builder, try changing the format to vgc regulation i

[slender kelp]

Got it
Thanks for the assistance

[jolly plover]

Hello everyone, I wanted your opinion on this team I made with the aim of hazzard stack
https://pokepast.es/8a979b6bdad9fb89

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[median geyser]

Really solid team u can't really go wrong with such a team however I do suggest u get up some way of hazard control maybe change arc fairy to hatt and arc fairy to arc water or ghost

Prevelance of pagos ho can make hazard stack weird as only two of ur Mon can offensively deal with it while it can force progress with toxic and spin

[primal nest]

https://pokepast.es/3e08b22cd102e1b8 (adv)
i'm worried about some lines vs like teams with lead m2

plan is to dclaw t1 vs m2

but if they cm t1 i lose the interaction

so i've gotta go hooh t2 probably

but i don't do enough with hpfly to ko after a dclaw

so i need to either switch to sball on hooh or dclaw t2 with tias

issue with sball on hooh is i can't touch bliss

which means my ability to force tox on lugia / hooh is a lot worse

which hurts my breaking power vs those sorta of temas

especially not toxing hooh makes gar a lot less effective a stallbreaker

clawing t2 is fine, i don't mind a trade with tias for lead m2

however if they cm t1 and t2 there's a chance i don't 3hko

they can even cm->cm->cm and ko me at +3

[mystic sigil]

Okay so my problem is that my brother is continuously destroying me in pokemon and its making me kinda mad. Hes younger so iykyk. His team is 1. Terapagos 2. Zacian 3. Calyrex-Shadow 4. Terakion 5. Whimsicott and 6. Kingambit. Lowkey it feels like hes legendary and meta spamming and its working T-T. /// My team is currently built exclusively around killing his team and I'm still dying. Currently using Iron Valiant, Chi-yu, Fluttermane, Farigiraf, Indeedee, and Ursaluna Bloodmoon. Im putting my full team breakdown below this message. My brother wont give me his full team, but the problems are Astral Barrage from Calyrex-Shadow, Tera Starstorm from Terapagos, and Rock Slide from Terakion, usually boosted by Whimsicott through helping hand or by continuously activating Terrakion's justified. Neither of us are particularly good at pokemon, so im probably not catching some obvious pitfall. I know he didnt make that team fully on his own (maybe chatgpt, idrk) because he changes it a lot and he wouldn't have the knowledge to put beat up to attack the Terrakion.

Jeanne (Iron Valiant) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Close Combat
• Spirit Break
• Protect
• Shadow Sneak

Voltaire (Chi-Yu) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Overheat
• Dark Pulse
• Snarl
• Heat Wave

Pascal (Farigiraf) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Trick Room
• Imprison
• Dazzling Gleam
• Protect

Bjorn (Ursaluna-Bloodmoon) @ Life Orb
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Blood Moon
• Earth Power
• Hyper Voice
• Protect

Roxane (Flutter Mane) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 132 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Icy Wind
• Protect

Florence (Indeedee-F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Psychic Surge
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature

• Follow Me
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand
• Protect

Anyways sorry for the paragraph, please help

[humble olive]

!psteams

[shut skiff]

Pokémon Showdown's team database is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply save your team to Showdown's database and you can share your team offsite by sharing the link in your browser!

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[jagged tartan]

Are you playing Doubles Ubers or regular Ubers?

[mystic sigil]

Doubles Ubers

[rose cargo]

Why are you not using calyrex shadow zamazenta mirai ekiller teams

Like both you and your brother honestly are forgetting that this isn’t vgc and you can have more than two restricted mons in this format

And you on the other hand

Is spamming unviable garbage

Ok anyways back to the team

Go to the doubles Ubers thread on the forums and look up sample teams

Copy one

If you don’t play like complete trash you should beat him with whatever the forums got

On a side note this is the wrong channel

There is a channel for doubles formats that’s not VGC

[mystic sigil]

Yeah that was kinda expected

[mystic sigil]

oops

[mystic sigil]

ty

[mystic sigil]

Bold of you to assume I can do that

[shut skiff]

Doubles Ubers (Gen 9)

• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[jagged tartan]

@mystic sigil you may want to look at the second post in the first link

[mystic sigil]

ty

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/de94848a420d7104

looking to build a team of 5 that can use many different sets of Koraidon at will, so that I can switch it around when I am laddering to be extra troll.

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Dice Tera steel sub / taunt standard sd blitz standard Tera steel sd taunt sd flare taunt flame charge…

What else do we got…

I was inspired by that one team that could fit in like five different Dragonite sets and still be competitive in OU while having everything else remain the same

[primal nest]

https://pokepast.es/530d1b831900d2e6

somewhat experimental adv ubers team

idea is to use lugia as the subcmer check

and then have a second utility mon

[mystic sigil]

This worked btw, ive won every battle since

[white hazel]

https://pokepast.es/dec73fe647dd1c07

[white hazel]

thoughts on this

[rose cargo]

Personally a modest Etern fan for that juicy one shot on Zac

And another personal thought is pounce skill swap feels ehhhhhhh

[shut hare]

I have a few games and i know the other person loves terapagos and ursaluna as there big damage dealers

https://pokepast.es/0a46a85a7b5afba4

This is my team so far I'm really not good at getting tera types i was wondering what else i need for the team

[jagged tartan]

Is this a VGC team?

[shut hare]

Does that also count for showdown or just the base games?

[jagged tartan]

It's just that if you're asking for help with a VGC team then you should post your team in https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

Because if this meant to be an Ubers team, all of these are not viable

Save Caly S, which is banned from Ubers

[shut hare]

Sorry I'm pretty new to all this is vgc rates for pokemon showdown cause I'm using this team on doubles gen 9 ubers

[shut hare]

I was told to ask here

[jagged tartan]

Oh if it's explicitly for Doubles Ubers then you may want to ask in https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060682530094862477

[median geyser]

Flame charge shot isn't as good as ih shot

Imo

Yea u get walled by steel types but theres not that many

[rose cargo]

It farms offense

[median geyser]

Without ih u practically get walled by arc fairy

[rose cargo]

Also you can just power through arc fairy with taunt Tera fire

But arc fairy + ogre walls

But yeah it farms offense easily

[median geyser]

Ye that's true but tera commitment

I actually don't know

What a offense team

Is

Exactly

[rose cargo]

By the time you break through you are at +2 +4 or sth

[rose cargo]

Suicide lead and sweepers

[median geyser]

Isn't that hyper offensive

[rose cargo]

Or it could be a few sweepers and some stuff that barely anchors the team

Like that glory team I sent u

Band scarf specs go brrrr

[median geyser]

Oh

[rose cargo]

Kinda like German offense in ssou

Scale flame farms most HO too

It goes for taunt / sd on bee and sweeps

[median geyser]

Yea then

Bee one shots it

With moonblast

[rose cargo]

Needs Tera fire

Just like taunt Tera steel and sub steels

[finite snow]

somoene have a team in dv uber PLZZZ

i need it

[rose cargo]

DV?

[finite snow]

SV*

[manic scroll]

Hey, the RMT section here is not the place to ask for teams. If you need a team check out the samples or the team bazaar for your format

[shut skiff]

Uber (Gen 9)

• Viability Rankings
• Sample Teams
• Set Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Tera Type Index
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Simple Questions and Answers Thread
• Ubers Discord
• Pokemon Showdown Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[manic scroll]

You can find samples and other metagame resources there

[woeful geyser]

Double Uber team I made
https://pokepast.es/3eec4d67ed82d7a1

I think i did okay but I really dont know anymore

[rose cargo]

That’s… just vgc

That’s just a vgc team

[jagged tartan]

You may want to ask in https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158 for Smogon Doubles metagames

[finite snow]

I don’t find

[manic scroll]

The link is in the embed directly below that message.

[finite snow]

I don’t see tyyy

[jagged sphinx]

https://pokepast.es/0ef6b7c36f6fcf3a Hello there !
I'm posting this team to see what you guys think about it !
I personally like it a lot since it's the one that got me from 1500 all the way to top 10.
It's a bulky offense team that uses a very unique set of Koraidon, as well as sets like double dance NDM, Sub Zacian and others.
If you want more informations about the team, you can tag me and I'll answer whenever I can ! Also I posted it in the Ubers Samples teams Smogon thread, but I feel like linking it would be just asking for likes, when what I want to do by posting it here is asking what you think about this team as well as sharing it to others who might like it
Here are some replays to show how the team functions :
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ubers-2406471173-rtpk1ip6uoxuuhj2crr06ya9n7tonvvpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ubers-2406472741-ywn05uiedxko4l8u1t6t4b6x1l8k5bupw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ubers-2407040824-g13q0ww8ms6ayfmqd35wov9sho4pgl3pw

Thank you for reading all this, hopefully you like it and have a nice day

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

what is the physdef investment on koraidon for?

[jagged sphinx]

Tanks +3 CC from Zacian

[rose cargo]

also, you might want to give this thing more speed, tera fire + flame + taunt is good for counterleading ribombee

[jagged sphinx]

I already have Sub Zacian for this

But I can see that

[rose cargo]

quiver dance bee:

anyways

lunala also might give you issues

just a little

oh yeah one last issues you got there

no speed control

[jagged sphinx]

Thunder Wave Kyogre and Rock Throw Lando ?

[rose cargo]

thats not speed control, speed control in this tier is usually a scarfer or more priority

[jagged sphinx]

Hm I see

[rose cargo]

qd bee is also gonna give you issues as qd on zac and moonblast breaks sub

and once webs go up its pretty hard to stop the sixty different flavors of sd koraidon and dd groundy and ekiller and everything else

webs taunt Ekiller might also cause issues

and taunt ghostceus too

and eleceus too, terapagos cant take everything on

@jagged sphinx

yeah thats pretty much all the issues i have found

ladder usage might not reflect the VR rankings, so I am mostly going off of the VR for this

[jagged sphinx]

Yeah I see

[rose cargo]

koraidon doesnt have a lot of immediate breaking power on this team as well

i do wonder if the threats I listed are even being used on the ladder in your run?

[jagged sphinx]

Lemme check

Bee are just scared away on Zacian

Ghostceus isn’t played outside of H Stack

[rose cargo]

ghostceus is really strong on webs, isnt it?

[jagged sphinx]

Eleceus isn’t that much of an issue somehow

[jagged sphinx]

Not that much

[rose cargo]

mainly due to it having taunt and self improof with how judgment worms

works

[jagged sphinx]

Lacks the threat factor that others might have

Also Pagos isn’t as prevalent as Gira O and all the spreads tank at least one Judgement

[rose cargo]

threat factor?

[jagged sphinx]

You’re not gonna be as scared when you see a GhostCeus click CM compared to a Kyu B clicking DD

Also Lunala is better on Webs

GroundCeus can be tough tho

[rose cargo]

usually ghostceus clicking cm isnt scary since you usually have ways to chip it down and then beat it with something faster

cm ground is also a thing yeah, though ladder folks ignore that it exists

[jagged sphinx]

Yeah

Most of the time it’s either support or DD stallbreaker

[rose cargo]

but yeah qd bee is gonna cause issues

https://pokepast.es/6bd7d718b6a48933 its literally the sample set, I have no idea why nobody is still running it

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

god dammit

ignore that team its just an example

sorry for whoever that got pinged

[jagged sphinx]

Lmaooooo

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/a31aa9ad9784e702

oh yeah ghostceus is pretty good on webs

this is the other webs sample

[jagged sphinx]

Yeah I can see that

[rose cargo]

and for some reason nobody was running any of these on your ladder run?

honestly not surprised at all...

but hey, nice names

[rose cargo]

but yeah, to sum it up you dont match up too well into both of the sample webs and you lack speed control and not really a lot of longevity for BO

but you seem like a really good player

french players are a bunch of hidden gems, damn

[jagged sphinx]

Thank you ^^

Ngl, I was stuck for a while at 1500
I built this team for a tournament, won with it, and then brought it to ladder and went almost undefeated up to there

Only lost against Blazing Cloud and his fully offensive Lum Berry Kyogre

[untold snow]

what does gxe mean 🐧

[median geyser]

Basically ur chance % at winning vs the avg player of the specific ladder

[untold snow]

thx

[odd bone]

i made these 2 teams for uber singles or doubles im new sombody rate them pls

i made the 2nd team cause i lost to a player using a simmilar strat that the 2nd 1 is using

[jagged tartan]

!shareteam

erm, @shut skiff?

!psteams

[shut skiff]

Pokémon Showdown's team database is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply save your team to Showdown's database and you can share your team offsite by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team, scroll to the bottom of the team, untick the checkbox to make your team public, and press the button that says Upload to Showdown database.

You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[jagged tartan]

yeah, use this instead of screenshots

people who know Ubers will be able to help you

but tbh the Pokemon selection, sets, and EV investment looks unviable across the board

[manic scroll]

is this one not working?

oh did i do aliases wrong

yeah i did one second

[swift sphinx]

singles rain team

[polar orbit]

Didn’t tbolt mention pokepaste in the past messages?

!psteams

[shut skiff]

Pokémon Showdown's team database is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply save your team to Showdown's database and you can share your team offsite by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team, scroll to the bottom of the team, untick the checkbox to make your team public, and press the button that says Upload to Showdown database.

You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[polar orbit]

Please use this instead, it will help the raters

[jagged tartan]

Aside from Kyogre (why does it have a neutral nature?) and Blissey (why does it have Rocky Helmet?), the team is filled with Pokemon that are completely unviable in Ubers. Committing to a "full rain" team is also a struggle because rain is not permanent and the best Pokemon in the metagame sets sun

[polar orbit]

https://pokepast.es/4dbfb5bbb0832fb1 need help

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[abstract nexus]

Don't mind the Miraidon, other than that, rate my team
https://pokepast.es/821b8873981a6663

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lime prairie]

This kind of team isn’t viable anymore, this is like smth you’d see maybe in pre home

W the breloom and stuff

The only viable mons really are korai and hatt now

Gweezing is very fringe on specific stalls / super fat balances but that’s it

[abstract nexus]

ok thx

[tropic sky]

https://pokepast.es/b88234ae4aca9c13
Hi guys, can u help me with this team, i'm not really sure if the evs are spreadded right and also i'm really bad at creating teams

[jagged tartan]

Double Ubers teams go in https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

[tropic sky]

thank you

[jagged tartan]

I will say, this looks more like a VGC team than a DUbers team

[tropic sky]

oh oke thanks

can I send the team on the DOU rates chat? because I want to play 6v6 battle and not 4v4

[jagged tartan]

Yes, but you're probably using some suboptimal Pokemon if you want to play DUbers

[tropic sky]

like calyrex-s?

[jagged tartan]

Looking at the viability rankings for DUbers, Urshifu is unranked while Amoonguss is really low

You'd have to ask in DOU rates for a person who knows the metagame better than me though

[tropic sky]

okey sorry, thanks for the advice

[primal nest]

https://pokepast.es/b2f45ce1733ed1e9
altaria stall

[shut skiff]

Hey @primal nest, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen3ubers. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[primal nest]

chatot

you MISCREANT

[shut skiff]

Hey @charred adder, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9doublesubers. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[vernal grail]

https://pokepast.es/d10dd095a101e348

[shut skiff]

Hey @vernal grail, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexubers team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[broken marlin]

I think I've made this team pretty good but I feel like it could need some changes
https://pokepast.es/f197695b2812b78d

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[oblique wyvern]

Incineroar is bad and ndw isnt the best

your team also looks like it gets overwhlemed by physical attackers fairly easily, since you dont have any good like koraidon checks and stuff

also tinglu should be smth like eq over rest

[broken marlin]

could you recommend some pokemon I should use ?

[oblique wyvern]

making hooh physically defensive would help

since you already have tinglu covering spd

[jagged tartan]

Why do you just lose to Kyogre

[broken marlin]

Okay I'll do that but what should I replace incineroar with

[oblique wyvern]

smth to check kyogre

[broken marlin]

Alr

[jagged tartan]

Why are you also missing an Arceus forme

[broken marlin]

I'm a noob

I really don't know much about this game Im very new

[jagged tartan]

OK so long story short

Some forme of Arceus is mandatory on every Ubers team

And if you aren't building stall, Koraidon is mandatory (which you already have, thankfully)

[broken marlin]

So which forme exactly should I use?

[oblique wyvern]

your koraidon should make a tera type of like fire or ghost

[broken marlin]

Ok

[jagged tartan]

Depends on your Koraidon answers

If you do Lando-T + Ho-Oh then you can get away with using another Arceus forme

But if not, then Arceus-Fairy will be used

[broken marlin]

I dont really wanna use lando so I guess fairy is the best option for me

[jagged tartan]

Ok

Finally, Kyogre

You will either have a check to it (like Eternatus) or be able to blitz past it with offense

Since you're not exactly doing the latter, it means you probably will need Eternatus

[broken marlin]

So should I replace ndw with it?

[jagged tartan]

Yes

[broken marlin]

Alr

[jagged tartan]

I think that you can use the offensive Life Orb set on the Smogon Dex to compensate for the damage you lose from dropping NDW

[broken marlin]

Ok I'll do that

Also should I keep ting lu?

[jagged tartan]

If you want

It's your best Pokemon at punishing opposing Eternatus, which you are a bit weak to, while also dealing with Lunala well

[broken marlin]

Ok

I'll keep it

Would zacain crowned be good for this team?

[jagged tartan]

What would you replace for it

[broken marlin]

Ceruludge

[jagged tartan]

There is no Ceruledge on your team

[broken marlin]

Oh wait

I was looking at my old team

I did remove both incineroar and necrozma and then added eternatus so I should still have 1 free spot

[jagged tartan]

Did you add Arceus-Fairy?

[broken marlin]

Oh yeah

My memory is so bad

What if i replaced ho oh with it?

[jagged tartan]

Then youd be very weak to opposing Zacian-C

[broken marlin]

Oh so I guess I'm not changing any pokemon

[jagged tartan]

Yeah, the six you have is fine

If you wanted to replace Flutter Mane for Zacian-C, that would also be doable

[broken marlin]

Nah I really like flutter mane

Thanks for helping

[jagged tartan]

Nws, good luck on ladder!

[broken marlin]

first game with this team

[north sand]

Is there anyone using gravity calyrex and dark void Darkrai?

In doubles

[rose cargo]

Not the correct channel for this

[north sand]

https://pokepast.es/50af3809971434de
Doubles ubers team im very bad with choosing moves

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

I see a badly made stall team with a random glimmora lead meant for Ho on the team

You also lack a sturdy koraidon check

I suggest sample teams for now.

[rose cargo]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-sample-teams.3736089/

[scenic linden]

hi

[pastel nexus]

https://pokepast.es/8ca459bf02ad07e9

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

I'd do lunala over etern just to have a more consistent ground-type answer

but looks fine enough

maybe stone edge on NDM over sunsteel to nuke ho-oh

[royal condor]

https://pokepast.es/dbf271eb52e7d83f i wanna run sub on koriadon but not sure if itll work

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

First off, these has two rockers. Second, I don't know why you're on a passive mon like defensive Fairy on Sticky Web, keep Lando-T as your rocker and make the Fairy into a forme that puts more offensive pressure. i also like etern having some bulk when I run modest agility but that's my personal preference

[royal condor]

when you say make the fairy into a different forme... your talking abt arceus right? alsoonly reason i gave the moveset i did for rib is so i have a tech into glimmora without having to worry abt getting toxic spikes set on my side. and then what ev spread do you give etern?

[steep tulip]

You're Naive nature on Bee fsr you should fix that. Etern I try and hit at least 320 speed but anything from 340 to catch neutral nature max speed Arceus is fair game.

[royal condor]

mk thanks man

[pastel nexus]

https://pokepast.es/b916a810e1c0c33b

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

I don’t feel like groundy fits in structures like this one

Team doesn’t have enough koraidon counterplay

Could probably use arc fairy here to block scale shot

Also eternatus doesn’t need three attacks on these spdef sets

[pastel nexus]

So just no ground?

And do I drop dynamax cannon

[royal condor]

@pastel nexus run dyna, fire blast agility and recover

https://pokepast.es/648011e9115002a7

@pastel nexus

[rose cargo]

This speed stat is used to speed creep timid arc formes but that gets shut down by webs, so I’d say HDB is better

Also no investment cannon doesn’t even KO koraidon

Don’t drop cannon tho

Drop sludge bomb for toxic

Dropping flamethrower for dragon tail or toxic spikes is technically also an option but personally not a fan of making myself so passive vs zac

[pastel nexus]

@rose cargo what do we think of this then lastly

What is that etern

[royal condor]

pretty common etern set

[rose cargo]

Sub koraidon wants either flame / blitz / ihead

[rose cargo]

Agility does exist.

But not whatever this is.

Agility is usually used on offensive sets like mbeam or even lorb 3A if you are feeling zesty

Agility in a set with hardly any spa investment or breaking power makes zero sense

Sub korai needs something to hit fairyceus

Like a fire move or iron head or else it just comes in and wall you

[royal condor]

Oh shit didnt realize i didnt put meteor on etern, also its what i run on koriadkn most of the time and it works

[rose cargo]

Meteor on….

koraidon?

You are not running meteor beam koraidon

right?

[royal condor]

No eternatus

[rose cargo]

Alr

Well if running mbeam eternatus

Go max modest with some speed investment

At least be able to outspeed max timid ogre but honestly you can even go up to max max modest

Since extra bulk might not matter

Even then mbeam eternatus is really only used on HO this gen

[royal condor]

im usually runnin 334 speed on etern

[rose cargo]

To outspeed…

Garchomp?

[royal condor]

well its either 334 or 340 to out speed arc

arceus

(non timid)

cant really give a reason for 334 tbh

[rose cargo]

Well, I would still say that mbeam Etern doesn’t fit on this structure

[royal condor]

wdy recomend?

[rose cargo]

Spdef toxic

Cannon recover toxic filler third move

[royal condor]

https://pokepast.es/c63bffbae7710932

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Prolly flame

[royal condor]

oh shit hold on

[rose cargo]

And now the last thing you are missing on this team is speed control

[royal condor]

yea

[rose cargo]

Oh yeah, you don’t have hazards

So knock is kind of useless

[royal condor]

could possibly add ribombee? but i feel it wouldnt work great

[rose cargo]

If you are gonna turn this into HO sure

The ladder is really just HO spam for me

If you are gonna do that it’s gonna take replacing multiple mons and sets

[royal condor]

https://pokepast.es/4cf256129c29a2bd this is the team im usually running

i was just helping @pastel nexus fix up his team tbh

before you ask ribombee and its moveset is so i can take out glimms without having to deal with t-spikes

[rose cargo]

This arc water set sucks on this team

Does no damage

Sub steel korai wants Tera steel

Also, Tera stellar wild charge doesn’t really hit any benchmarks, as you are not even guaranteed to KO arc water from full

Might as well just use Tera steel or Tera electric instead as it’s better into the zac mirrors

Also, this is more of a personal thing but I like crunch over cc these days

Doesn’t drop your defense and hits ndm just as hard as cc

While also being able to one tap Lunala through shadow shield with a boost

[royal condor]

Is water arceus sucks what do i replace it with then?

[rose cargo]

One option is dd groundy
My personal favorite is cm taunt flyceus but that’s more personal and less standard

You will probably also wanna have stuff that can counter opposing Ho

Like Tera elec trailblaze zac or taunt / sub flame charge SD dice korai

But in the end

Try what works for you

[pastel nexus]

https://pokepast.es/40a859546e56f283

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pastel nexus]

There aren't really that many good spattackers in ubers huh

[surreal eagle]

super offensive team

[coral onyx]

you have to send a pokepaste

[rose cargo]

Owned by ghostceus webs

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pastel nexus]

https://pokepast.es/40a859546e56f283

[pastel nexus]

EWWWWWW

[odd bone]

?

[pastel nexus]

DOUBLES

In my singles chat

[odd bone]

oh

i didnt see a doubles chat

sorry

where do i send my teams for doubles

[jagged tartan]

you send them to https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

[lime prairie]

This is mostly fine, I’d probably just say you can afford to use a more offensive arceus like tera normal silk scarf double edge with the screens support, and change the deo a

Either to a diff mon entirely or at very least the set

It’s not really a screens mon tho

Bc it still gets ohko’d by every move

If you really wanna keep it I’d probably run like rocks knock low kick psycho boost life orb or smth

But other mons like lunala, ndm, caly get a lot from screens

[pastel nexus]

https://pokepast.es/157719fdb26a107d

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[oblique wyvern]

Close combat/low kick > collision course

Also just run flareblitz/flame charge over heatcrash

[jade hare]

https://pokepast.es/958e7057d05fe8d6

Hey! I'm trying to make a viable Ubers team, made up of primarily silly/derpy looking Pokémon (except flutter mane). I'm not trying to make the best team, but hopefully something that's viable.

PLEASE HELP ME!!!

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Short answer: you can’t.

Long answer: SOME of these mons might be able to fit on certain niche comps, however there is no way on god’s green earth are all of them gonna work, especially not with sun and rain on a same team looking to make more use of both

Clodsire fits on certain stall teams and MAYBE, just maybe some weird fat balance

And even for stall I have been seeing little stall usage from ladder to tournaments, and lots of them never used it

You either keep the theme of the team or the viability of the team

If it isn’t something you would consider bringing to a serious tournament setting imo it isn’t viable

[jade hare]

Yeah, sounds about right. I ain’t trying to compete in tournaments or anything like that, but if I were to change anything in the team i.e moves or Pokemon, what should I fix?

[rose cargo]

In order to make it viable I’ll have to change more than three mons

And by then it would basically be using a different team

[jade hare]

Point out the most egregious Pokémon, and I'll see what I can do. I have hope for these silly boys!!!

[jagged tartan]

Basically all of them but Flutter Mane

And even Flutter Mane is hella mid

[jagged tartan]

Also, this last line sounds like "I want to make a viable team without using viable Pokemon"

That's not how competitive Pokemon works

[jade hare]

Yeah thats fair. I guess the better way of wording my goal is “ I’m trying to make the best team possible with silly Pokemon.” Whether the Pokemon team is necessarily competitively viable for tournaments doesn’t concern me as long as they can somewhat hold their own in Ubers.

[jade hare]

So what do I need fix specifically?

[shut skiff]

Hey @sinful ocean, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexubers team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[rose cargo]

Somewhat hold their own

Simply not possible unless you crit every move and they miss every move or sth

Also why does it have to be Ubers

[jade hare]

cause it's funnier

[rose cargo]

Lowk not even funny

I think koraidon is silly because it does silly damage with swords dance scale / cc / flare

[rose cargo]

Man

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/0126c5d9c9a7077c

“ping for Ubers” mf when he can’t decide what to do

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @cinder fox, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

I just need one last variation so I can have my multiple teams to cycle through while laddering

Lot of my teams are public so I’m tryna make sure I can ladder normally even if they are by making multiples of the same six

And yes, that’s my alt names

[steep tulip]

I mean yeah sure

Tera Grass I am certain you understand is suboptimal but you're probably doing it to keep water resist

[cinder fox]

tera dragon brah

its literally just better on lo etern

[rose cargo]

If I go Tera dragon ima be 6-0ed by dd ice beam groundy

[steep tulip]

was moreso thinking tera flying

[rose cargo]

That actually sounds nice

Webs immunity sounds pretty cool

[median geyser]

U know the meta is webs infested when webs immunity is optimal for literally any fast mon

[fallow prawn]

https://pokepast.es/97870cc95ee2c1cc here is my double Uber team, Im new to competitive I've watched some Wolfie videos, but I don't want to adopt his defensive play style

[shut skiff]

Hey @fallow prawn, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesubers team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[primal nest]

https://pokepast.es/3c8a25a436d1b068
(adv ubers) claydol

[shut skiff]

Hey @primal nest, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen3ubers. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[primal nest]

i'll sign up to rate adv ubers if you wnat

maybe ice beam > tox on dol?

so you sorta beat skarmory almost

potentially like physdef deod for like backup vs ray

[rose cargo]

you are like the only guy doing ADV Ubers here

[primal nest]

yeah :(

nobody likes my teams.....

[cinder fox]

ima be real chief, if theres anything i can say about you it’s that you’re good enough to not need adv teams rated here

[primal nest]

maybe but more eyes is always better

i have sent teams here before and gotten feedback that made me make changes

besides, having to describe the team by itself helps me get a different perspective on it

[rose cargo]

Could do uberscord

[somber burrow]

any1 wanna battle gen9ubers

[rose cargo]

Wrong channel

[somber burrow]

uhh

[jagged tartan]

Just ask on Showdown

[somber burrow]

sorry i dont play showdown

[slate pine]

What would go well with this team (No Legendaries pls, they're too hard to get)
Ubers UU
Krookodile @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Moxie
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Hone Claws
• Scale Shot
• Power Trip

Grimmsnarl @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 152 Def / 108 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Reflect
• Light Screen
• Taunt
• Parting Shot

[rose cargo]

You literally asked for gen 9 Ubers how is it not a showdown format?

[rose cargo]

🥀

Ubers UU no legendaries

First that’s a different tier for a different channel, next we are not gonna take arbitrary restrictions such as no legendaries

And I wouldn’t consider any legendary to be too hard to get unless it’s a limited time mythical like hoopa

[somber burrow]

its minecraft pixelmon

only nerds play showdown sorry

[rose cargo]

Broski

Smogon is THE pokemon showdown organization, or at least the org where it came from

Why are you here if you don’t play showdown? Also…

!pixelmon

[shut skiff]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1373406929317269624

Do not ask for assistance with fangames, Minecraft/Roblox mods, or other such titles. These games/mods have mechanics and available Pokémon which do not match those in the actual Pokémon games or Smogon's formats, and are often played with arbitrary rulesets.

[somber burrow]

smogon is good but showdown is for nerds its my opinion

[rose cargo]

If you need teams and they match the format completely

[somber burrow]

this is where smart pokemon players are

[somber burrow]

am not asking for assistance am asking for 1v1s

[rose cargo]

And all of the smart players that we know of are showdown players

[somber burrow]

no their not

[rose cargo]

Even vgc players

[somber burrow]

i am one of the best pokemon trainers and i am pixelmon only

i have never played showdown in my life

[rose cargo]

Ok, prove to me that you know what are you doing

[somber burrow]

i used to be noob but everything changed when miraidon was added

i just terastrialize into electric type and i one shot everything its OP

hes now my favorite pokemon

[rose cargo]

Miraidon isn’t even a Ubers mon

It’s AG now, and I’ve participated in its ban myself

[somber burrow]

this is from 2024

maybe it was different back then

[somber burrow]

Thats ez

[rose cargo]

I really doubt the average skill level of a pixelmon player

[somber burrow]

HP is how much health pokemon have, and you shouldnt use water type against grass type or you die

i tried to use blastoise against regileki and he die too so you dont want water against electric

[rose cargo]

In a miraidon meta there should be an abundance of ting lu, Spdef groundceus, and others

Ok, here is a few questions

Does desolate land activate protosynthesis?

Name one attacking move that is not multi turn and cannot be encored

What type does corvisquire turn into when it uses roost?

[somber burrow]

bro i became number one pixelmon trainer in my server bc how op i was

i can answer this ez

[rose cargo]

And you are not allowed to use searching

[somber burrow]

what why not

[rose cargo]

Anybody can cheese through questions by searching for answers

You gotta prove yourself by knowing you memorized them

[somber burrow]

yes (groudon is rare so i havent tried this out but i think sun is the same)

Bruh idk im an uber player, maybe uturn?

pure steel

[rose cargo]

Wrong, wrong and also wrong.

Roost turns pure flying types into a normal type during the turn it uses it, and corvisquire is a pure flying type and that is how roost works as of Gen 9.

This IS a move a very prominent Ubers pokemon use, and the answer is dynamax cannon.

Desolate land does not activate photosynthesis, though it does activate orichalcum pulse.

[somber burrow]

this is stupid

[rose cargo]

If you don’t believe me, you can just google roost and read up on it

[somber burrow]

its noob trivia

pros dont need to know this

[rose cargo]

They do.

What is momentum?

[somber burrow]

how i become #1 pixelmon trainer if i dont know this

[somber burrow]

its like a snowball

[rose cargo]

There are a billion pixelmon players

[somber burrow]

that gets bigger and bigger

[rose cargo]

In the context of a pokemon battle what is it

[somber burrow]

Keeping up

Not losing your grip

e.g. using uturn to get back to a favorable position

[rose cargo]

Yes, it’s just a specific turn where you have your opponent in a volatile situation where you have the advantage

Anyways

There are like a billion pixelmon servers

[somber burrow]

i remade my team

while talking

what is ur showdown user

ima show u why am best pixelmon player

[rose cargo]

… you said you never played showdown?

[somber burrow]

i dont but i remade my team from pixelmon

onto showdown

i sent battle request

wow noob wont battle becoz he insult pixelmon players (even though we are best pokemon pvpers)

@rose cargo I was going easy.... one more to prove you are true pro

i will go pro mode on you

[rose cargo]

You say you want to prove that you are the best, yet you go easy on me twice… is there a way to prove that you are not just lying? Plus, we are getting off of the channel topic already.

[somber burrow]

thats true

ok the truth is

i am only #2 in pixelmon

there is a man... hes called pixelmonashketchumgreninjafan843

he is the best trainer there has ever been

if he entered any world championship he would win every match without losing a single mon

he is the true #1 pixelmon player

If u want u can battle him

[rose cargo]

Ok, this has to be satire at this point

Can you stop the larp now?

Plus, let’s not clog the channel

[somber burrow]

theres no larp its the truth im telling u

[rose cargo]

Proverbs 29:23… since I noticed the verses in your bio.

[somber burrow]

im not a christian

[rose cargo]

I’m done here, thank you Oreo.

[somber burrow]

bruh

[rose cargo]

Oh wait, wrong scripture

[cinder fox]

First of all, please stop derailing this thread with off-topic conversation. If you want to ask for games of gen 9 Ubers then you'd best ask in one of the comp-general channels. This channel is purely for asking for team rates for Smogon's official Ubers tiers.

Second, this server is not for fan projects like Pixelmon, it is for Smogon's official battle simulator Pokemon Showdown. Fan projects operate under very different rules that this server does not have jurisdiction over, if you want discussion on fan projects this is not the server for you.

[somber burrow]

come on oreo im just messing around

lemme have some fun

[rose cargo]

Dude.

[wary moon]

this is not the channel for just having fun, this is a thread designated for rating serious teams

[somber burrow]

Your right sir

it wont happen again

promise

[wary moon]

go on git

[somber burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ina-memes-sad-spongebob-gif-5907655025106997236

uhh

[polar orbit]

.. did he just say Tera electric miraidon goes brrr? That is the equivalent to a low ladder 8yr old player. Also I need help rating this BO Ubers team: https://pokepast.es/6e0fe6b8bfa3bbd0

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @cinder fox, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[median geyser]

Don't see anything wrong with the team

If u play decent u should win games

[polar orbit]

Ye I am 1500 so I’m good for now

[median geyser]

If I had to suggest I would say make the zacian cc

As play rough is barely needed

Since ur not running tera ghost on koraidon

Arc normal in late game can be a pain

[polar orbit]

Zacian has cc?

My set does

[median geyser]

Yes

[polar orbit]

I think

[median geyser]

O mbbb

Change cc > wild charge

Ur set fets

Gets walled

By ho oh

Very hard

[polar orbit]

So keep pr?

[median geyser]

Bb wild charge cc

Pr is only useful for the ability to ohko koraidon

From 100%

[polar orbit]

K tysm

[median geyser]

But u have hazards

Koraidon shouldn't be on 100% all the time

Bb does 85% at +1

[polar orbit]

Ye either U-turned with scarf or just switch out to wall

[median geyser]

Also koraidon is gonna use flare blitz on arc fairy

So it should rarely be at full

[polar orbit]

Ye

[polar orbit]

Didn’t know that. But overall tysm

[median geyser]

And I like running tera steel on zacian

For ditto mu and to ohko lunala

At +3

[polar orbit]

Ohh that’s something I didn’t really consider. Does cc already kill arc at +1?

[polar orbit]

ive been playing too much ou and ag that the tier in the middle (ubers) feels kinda wonky so yeah

[median geyser]

Yes

As long as it's not 252 hp

Which is not very good rn

Cause ur gonna get taunted by even defensive Arceus forms

So 252 is the most optimal

[cinder fox]

the primary issues with this is how weak you are to kyogre and zac. your only real zac check is scarf korai which can be taken advantage of by webs and your ogre counterplay is just hoping they dont catch you when pivoting

you also dont have a good way to break hooh at all

so what i would suggest is using lando > tinglu and cm gleam eleceus > fairyceus

and make zac wild charge > play rough

[polar orbit]

elecus what 4 moves?

[cinder fox]

cm judg gleam recover

you could also keep ting and go for lando > caly

and slot in ice beam > gleam

[polar orbit]

https://pokepast.es/678e06193a66a958 something like this?

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @cinder fox, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[polar orbit]

stupid chatot i dont need u rn

[cinder fox]

i think you want twave > thunder on ogre and taunt on lando

taunt lando for spikes don (and ting), twave for korai and etern

[polar orbit]

K

[cinder fox]

latter especially

oh and tera fairy on elec since ur dgleam

[minor patio]

Hello guys im new to pvp and was trying to build a sv ubers team in pokemon brick bronze roria conquest around espeed sweep arceus and came up with this.

is this good ? or do i make changes. I still need to fill in a 6th mon.

https://pokepast.es/1a93abd1dfa7cea4

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @cinder fox, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

I don't know what format your game is in but only Arceus is legal on your team in standard SV

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060037469472555028

You probably wanna hit up the link above for Nat Dex Ubers

[minor patio]

Oh my bad forgot to add that heres the format. U can pretty much use anything

Ubers Banlist
Mega Rayquaza
Mega Gengar
Miraidon

Banned Moves: OHKO Moves, Evasion Moves, Baton Pass, Last Respects, Revival Blessing
Banned Abilities: Moody, Shadow Tag, Arena Tap
Banned Items: Quick Claw, BrightPowder, Razor Fang, King's Rock
Banned Mechanics: Dynamax/Gigantamax
Elo Modifier: 1/2

All dark/distortus form reskins are banned from competitive play.

we dont have necrozma, eternatus, miraidon in the game yet.

We pretty much have every legendary (including megas and z stones. We just dont have terra types)
Mewtwo/shadow mewtwo, latios and latias, Zeraora, Legendary birds, Weather trio, Aura trio, Paradox duo (only Koraidon), Guardian dieties (Tapu koko), Legendary giants, Creation trio, Mew, Meltan, Diancie, Deoxys, Volcanion, Heatran, Victini, Jirachi, Rotom, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Keldeo, Hoopa, Genessect, Celebi, Shaymin, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Regieleki, Regidrago, Magearna, Porygon, Type: Null, Cresselia, Darkrai, Marshadow, Kyurem, Uxie, Mespirit, Azelf, Manaphy, Thundurus (including Therian), Landorus (including Therian), Tornadus (including Therian), Galarian Articuno, Galarian Zapdos, Galarian Moltres, and Urshifu,

I just said sv cause gen 9 is the latest but our ubers inclues every gen.

[cinder fox]

!arbitraryformats

[shut skiff]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: #1373406929317269624 message

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for formats hosted on the Smogon forums, such as VGC and OU.

[minor patio]

oh ok mb

so i cannot get a help with that kind of team in this server ?

[cinder fox]

not here because this isn't a smogon format

[minor patio]

i see

[stark cloud]

This team would be NDAG and ngl I don't think we have people that help with that in ND non ou

[minor patio]

oh ok ill try aking over there then lol

[stark cloud]

Oh yeah and all these arbitrary restrictions would be an issue regardless

[minor patio]

i see

[stark cloud]

Rating is only for Smogon formats because we don't have experience with this tier, but x mons are banned or unbanned

[minor patio]

they are not there in the game yet 😅

[stark cloud]

That doesn't matter

[minor patio]

oh mb i misread ur statement. I thought u were asking me whether x mons are banned or unbanned.

ill just post it in national dex ag and get rid of those arbitrary rules. That way i can atleast get an idea.

[median geyser]

https://pokepast.es/d3bf6334dcfb3b82

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @cinder fox, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[median geyser]

Lmk if it's more optimizable

[tired lotus]

https://pokepast.es/3318c1c345db0e6f
@lime prairie, @steep tulip , @cinder fox, @crude turtle. I got a team for you to rate, plz

lmk if there is anything I need to change about it

[cinder fox]

i will take both of these

[cinder fox]

first things first get rid of stone edge on lo ekiller, double edge is just 100% superior

but second this team is weird cuz there’s nothing inherently wrong with these mons and sets and they do technically work, but i feel like it’s not committing to one style enough

[tired lotus]

yeah, that is what I felt was the problem. if it helps, I am more an HO type of guy

oh, where you taking about my team?

[cinder fox]

like, the structure is suggesting that this is gonna be some sorta groundceus bo, but then you have lo ekiller which is p much entirely an ho mon because it tends to not stick around very long at all

[tired lotus]

or the one before me

[cinder fox]

one before you

you’ll be next

[tired lotus]

k

[cinder fox]

but yeah like i said, this would most likely be better as a groundceus bo so i’d suggest mix dd ground > ekiller

it’s p much a normal dd ground but with ice beam in the last slot. no spatk investment and still adamant

[median geyser]

There are actually some reason for picking e killer with the specific set

Priority + immediate pressure

[cinder fox]

my point is the team structure isnt really that conducive to lo ekiller

cuz it just dies way too quickly