https://pokepast.es/59ed9491e60dc848
I've been using this but I'm now stuck around 1450-1500.
Kyogre lead, SP Necrozma as endgame win condition after all other mons faint to prevent whirlwind/dragon tail. I struggle against dark types (obviously lol) but can usually work around them, bar Kingambit.
When needed I can play without Necrozma and use it as a sack for positioning (for ditto and Kyogre).
Any help greatly appriciated : )
#Ubers
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sick wharf
Murasama (Chien-Pao) @ Choice Band
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ice Shard
- Ice Spinner
- Sucker Punch
- Sacred Sword
Broomstick (Swampert) @ Swampertite
Ability: Damp
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Stealth Rock
Mai San (Toxapex) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
Shiny: Yes
Hidden Power: Dragon
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
- Baneful Bunker
- Recover
- Toxic Spikes
- Toxic
Tusk Act 4 (Great Tusk) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Headlong Rush
- Ice Spinner
- Head Smash
- Rapid Spin
Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Make It Rain
- Recover
Shedinja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Wonder Guard
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Lonely Nature
IVs: 0 Def / 0 SpD
- Will-O-Wisp
- Toxic
- Protect
- Shadow Sneak
Can someone please suggest a replacement for shedinja and Swampert
(I didn't know shed wasn't allowed in this tier)
polar orbit
Murasama (Chien-Pao) @ Choice Band
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Tera Type: Dark
...
use pokepaste and doesnt seem viable
use a sample team if ya want to be as competitive as possible
sick wharf
use a sample team if ya want to be as competitive as possible
💀 I'm keeping that as the last option if my teams don't work
(I'm down 23 teams already)
polar orbit
💀 I'm keeping that as the last option if my teams don't work
(I'm down 23 team...
oh
not a sample but viability rankings here:https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings.3724082/
median geyser
https://pokepast.es/59ed9491e60dc848
I've been using this but I'm now stuck arou...
Using ditto and Kyogre on same team
Is overkill
U probably want to replace one for Arceus fairy
I suggest replace the Kyogre for Arceus fairy/water cause ditto is a better speed control mon
In most cases
Replace hatterene
Hatterene is mostly needed when ur team is extremely weak to rocks
Ex non heavy duty boots ho oh teams
blissful finch
OK, thanks so much for the feedback! All good otherwise?
median geyser
OK, thanks so much for the feedback! All good otherwise?
You probably wanna add up koraidon asw because it's the best mon in the tier
U can replace giratina origins
With koraidon since u have a ditto
Webs isn't a problem
blissful finch
Yh that makes sense. Is hazard stack/webs def not an issue? Won't Koraidon need speed still?
sick wharf
What's a good wall to use in ubers (megas specifically, I'm making a team with a few restrictions:
One legendary, one mythical (paradox mons and ubs are being counted as mythicals)
Can someone help me out wit picking a tank for my team
manic scroll
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median geyser
Yh that makes sense. Is hazard stack/webs def not an issue? Won't Koraidon need ...
Koraidon needs to be max speed hazard stack isn't that viable in Ubers rn other than webs ditto can pathup the webs matchup but if u feel it's not enough u can add up zacian c with substitute if ur opposing ho dont run ndm or pagos it can be a insta win
honest narwhal
can someone rate
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Can someone tell me how to improve this team
stark cloud
This is for National Dex Ubers but we can't help if you're not willing to use viable mons
rose cargo
Can someone tell me how to improve this team
Why can’t you just go use viable mons, and why can’t you go use pokepaste
sick wharf
Why can’t you just go use viable mons, and why can’t you go use pokepaste
It's a stupid elite 4 thing my friend's doing, + he kept a lot of restrictions
sick wharf
This is for National Dex Ubers but we can't help if you're not willing to use vi...
Like?
stark cloud
If it is for an arbitrary format we can't really help with that
/ resources national Dex ubers
Not sure how to do the command
sick wharf
If it is for an arbitrary format we can't really help with that
What does that mean 💀 (sorry I'm kinda new to this thing)
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sudden lake
Any opinion on my team so far? So far been working great even tho i feel i could change Darmanitan
Oh nvm i can pokepaste forgot give me a sec
Also i tried using pokemons that so far have helped me counter most top tiers because i feel like if i use the usual S+ and all i will keep having mirror matches and loss
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also you're in the wrong thread, your team is for National Dex Ubers as you are using Pokemon which are unavailable in Scarlet/Violet. Post the link to your pokepaste in this thread https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060037469472555028
sudden lake
please send the actual paste link instead of the export
They are different things? Sorry i have never been deep into pokemon showdown outside doing my own teams and trying to learn, never shared it ty for telling me
sudden lake
also you're in the wrong thread, your team is for National Dex Ubers as you are ...
Okay! Tysm for help
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scarf taunt?
cinder fox
https://pokepast.es/5cb1698fb4d774d0
crunch > taunt on lando, and just go max attack. these types of structures also generally work better w girao/hatt and ho-oh/lo etern > ting dirge
cinder fox
dirge does not fit here
at all
you're a specs ogre scale korai bo
shouldnt be using momentum sinks like dirge
rose cargo
I think you might have to deal with zac via scarf lando
cinder fox
i would say go girao ho-oh > dirge ting
and go lo korai > dice
reason is bc you want a secondary breaker alongside ogre
median geyser
and go lo korai > dice
Move set
rose cargo
Im thinking flame charge wild low kick buuuut idk
median geyser
Scale shot flame charge cc looses to arc fairy
cinder fox
sd low kick dclaw flame charge is fine
median geyser
Basically can't touch it
cinder fox
no
jagged tartan
Less so compared to Dirge because it has Whirlwind
cinder fox
bc ho-oh makes progress just by existing
between sfire bb and ww
the difference between ho-oh and dirge is ho-oh ISNT passive
it's threatening in its own right independently of the utility it provides
dirge is not
dirge can give turns to mons like ogre
ho-oh does not bc bb is genuinely threatening to would-be sfire switchins
median geyser
Okay
median geyser
Appreciate the help
cinder fox
one more thing
go max defense on fairy
and drop speed to 16
fairy's p much your most relied-korai scale sponge
median geyser
Can I keep lu
For eternatus
I feel like it will be kinda hard to defensively answer
cinder fox
u can pivot into lo etern w ho-oh
its not a perfect solution but it still exists
plus u have recovery unlike lu
mbeam is rare nowadays and also doesnt even match up that well into this team at all
offensively u have korai ogre scarf lando, defensively u have twave fairy (esp good w rain vs mbeam) and ho-oh is herb has been used
rose cargo
lorb etern could still break with sludge bomb poison into dynamax cannons, but this is good enough IG
cinder fox
yes its not a perfect solution but its the one that provides the best chance vs lo etern AND eases the mu into bs like korai zac etc, whereas w ting you're completely reliant on one check that can get smashed and/or reactive tera to check them
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Id make regieleki-> grimm and flitter is pretty mid, id personally make it glimmora and turn this into screens ho
median geyser
Id make regieleki-> grimm and flitter is pretty mid, id personally make it glimm...
Flutter is fine
It has a pretty good matchup
Into current Ubers meta it can spam
Moonblast
median geyser
Power gem
median geyser
Also gets ekillered
It's a ghost type....
oblique wyvern
Ekiller runs sclaw
oblique wyvern
I feel like smth like ghostceus could abuse screens more
median geyser
Mane can actually ohko all the offensive mons in the current meta with moon blast mystical fire shadow ball calm mind under koraidon's sun
Can run power gem instead of calm mind if the team has a ho oh weakness
Mystical fire under sun ohkoes zacian
eternal scaffold
and the idea is to have it under sun most of the time to take advantage of proto speed
rose cargo
Ghostceus also self improofs
honest sand
https://pokepast.es/5474e6464d34f234 got to rank 56 on ladder, only issue was against hard TR
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hard tr isnt real dw
cinder fox
https://pokepast.es/5474e6464d34f234 got to rank 56 on ladder, only issue was ag...
so looks fine for the most part, i dont really like flutter or tr ndm at all tho tbh
and you also dont need kb + ground
i'd personally make it like
zac > kb, etern > flutter, and smth like caly ice > ndm
and lo korai > dice
honest sand
zac > kb, etern > flutter, and smth like caly ice > ndm
ngl i kinda wanna keep kyub cuz i was building around it
cinder fox
we can do that too
firstly i'd make the groundy into a cm arc instead
ground works fine
etern > flutter and calyi > ndm
also change the kyub to max speed adamant
frigid palm
https://pokepast.es/5474e6464d34f234 got to rank 56 on ladder, only issue was ag...
is ice beam really worth
honest sand
scarf lando is kinda annoying in general
frigid palm
on groundy
cinder fox
yes
frigid palm
yea but taunt is more worth i think
honest sand
firstly i'd make the groundy into a cm arc instead
max max?
cinder fox
yea but taunt is more worth i think
taunt groundy sucks
frigid palm
tho ur running ho so its not mandatory
is it?
damn its been a while since i played
honest sand
ye girao is nowhere on ladder and it folds into the rest of the team anyways
frigid palm
not really sure if agility or 3a lo etern would be better here
leaning towards the latter
cinder fox
max max?
max attack max speed yea
adamant
n you want agility fs
4a etern also sucks hard
frigid palm
yea 4a is not good
honest sand
nduber pilled 💔
frigid palm
all out attacker highly prefers recover
cinder fox
also
make korai lo
yes you have kyub but kyub cant get through stall on its own, wallceus can get in its way
lo korai is more effective at punishing physdef arcs which kyub struggles with
honest sand
https://pokepast.es/4a6d9f0e392dbb68 @cinder fox
honest sand
alr
cinder fox
sd lowkick/cc scale ihead
cinder fox
lo korai was significantly less optimized back then
honest sand
Ye u already said that buddy
median geyser
https://pokepast.es/4231b01450d696ee
FIRE
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More standard stuff
honest sand
why that spread on koraidon
median geyser
why that spread on koraidon
To be as bulky as possible while being fast enough to outspeed scarf base 90s
honest sand
what do u need bulk for
median geyser
u have girao and ndm for ekiller
Can never be too save
median geyser
hooh just clicks brave bird anyways
Ye it survives
1 brave bird
After rocks and spike
median geyser
It's not
honest sand
its just gonna get burned
median geyser
If it's the last mon alive facing a ho oh
honest sand
252+ Atk Ho-Oh Brave Bird vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Koraidon: 380-450 (94.5 - 111.9%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
median geyser
252+ Atk Ho-Oh Brave Bird vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Koraidon: 380-450 (94.5 - 111.9%) -...
None runs offensive ho oh
honest sand
?
median geyser
It's for Uber opens not ladder
honest sand
people still use offensive hooh
median geyser
And why should I go
Max speed
Timid
Bee is never getting webs up on a giratina origin and webs really just makes eterntaus match up awkward
honest sand
that surely loses 1v1
it just clicks eq
+2 252+ Atk Necrozma-Dusk-Mane Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 252-297 (63.3 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 Atk Necrozma-Dusk-Mane Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 130-154 (38.8 - 45.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
median geyser
Emergency tera or giratina origins can dtail w tera steel
median geyser
Oh yea
Ig that's a awkward matchup
Iam not really that worried about mane I feel like I have enough checks to deny it from going +2 and koraidon ain't a valid offensive check considering all manes run tera fire
But eh uk what imma make it timid
Anyway
Outspeeding dd mons is good ig
cinder fox
https://pokepast.es/015f2a7f328ba892
theres lots of issues here
lots of these sets have problems. korai has no reason to be running bulk, ndm is absolutely terrible without a boosting move, mono ghost girao is also really bad (especially physical girao)
you have no breaker outside of specs kyogre, ndm in general doesnt fit here, and this gets giga smashed by breakers like enemy ogre and lo korai
the mons might be common but the team with these sets just has so many problems
so i'd say using a sample is best
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rose cargo
Koraidon can run bulk
But not like this much unless you are building something really special or specific
The most I would go is 56 Hp for uninvested dynamax cannon and maybe also 72 defense to also live +2 Tera normal extreme speed
scenic mantle
how is this? https://pokepast.es/8899390a57093eb2
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how is this? https://pokepast.es/8899390a57093eb2
Webs might be a difficult MU for you if it’s scarf bee
rose cargo
i keep losing to ditto too
There are ways to deal with ditto, one option for you is to use substitute zacian, but if you can’t keep the sub up you will be cooked. Another method however…
You can use calm mind + focus blast arceus-ghost with power gem and Tera stellar
Ghostceus self improofs with judgment and focus blast, while power gem isn’t gonna do shit.
median geyser
Can also use demon fairyceus
As a win con aganist other hos, defensive pivot
Also beats ditto
carmine remnant
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I prefer drill>treads for rock tomb
scenic mantle
i need help making a balance team with fairyceus
rose cargo
i need help making a balance team with fairyceus
What set? Also wrong channel.
median geyser
https://pokepast.es/cebccc93788ed1f9
Looks fine
Drill - deo s
If u don't wanna fold to webs
Bee 1v1s u and gets up webs
rose cargo
Bee 1v1s u and gets up webs
I think rock tomb into spin kos bee, and bee can’t KO you back really
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Cooked by webs
lost sable
bro u gotta stop replying to every ho with cooked by webs
that's like part of the reason why webs is run and why webs is good
rose cargo
bro u gotta stop replying to every ho with cooked by webs
I think any good non webs HO needs some sort of webs counterplay since it is so good, especially on ladder where people spam webs even more, so an HO team without fast taunt or any way to get rid of webs isn’t gonna be so great, whether it be pagos, ditto, hdb / clam korai…
Or glim as the lead
Instead of no taunt Deo-A
stark cloud
Explain how they're able to do that in your first comment rather than just saying cooked by webs. That is just dismissive and offers nothing in the way of constructive criticism.
It isn't like it is a team with 1-2 viable mons with a bunch of RU filler
clever bobcat
Instead of no taunt Deo-A
taunt Arceus lead if ribombee
arceus doesn't mind stun spore
rose cargo
taunt Arceus lead if ribombee
They are just gonna click webs first no matter what, unless it’s not sash, which is a less common set.
If they could get up webs that’s all they really need.
rose cargo
Explain how they're able to do that in your first comment rather than just sayin...
Yeah, I probably should have said what I said above in the first comment, my bad then.
clever bobcat
taunt Arceus lead if ribombee
nvm just remembered that ribombee is faster
yeah taunt would be a good idea
rose cargo
Just make sure you can retain offensive pressure as Deo faints
lost sable
taunt deoa is ok but scarf bee will still get webs on you
rose cargo
Another possibility is also sub on Zac
lost sable
not sure if i agree with that as the primary webs counterplay
rose cargo
not sure if i agree with that as the primary webs counterplay
It isn’t, it’s an add on for a little more insurance.
Since good players would know that it’s gonna sub if they are leading Zac turn 1
And even then quiver dance ribombee…
lost sable
i think you could try boots/clear amulet koraidon and tera ghost kyogre
rose cargo
Ye, even without loaded dice koraidon can run scale shot
Tho I already mentioned hdb / clam above
Or if you are not feeling like no loaded dice scale shot (you need more hits with scale shot to one tap eternatus with it! But who’s staying in with eternatus without a Tera? Don’t do that unless you are the agency or sth.)
You can run flame charge cc wild charge
Or low kick
but TLDR
you want some bee counterplay, could be taunt deo (doesnt work on scarf bee, and you really cannot tell if a team is scarf or sash from preview.) sub zac (quiver dance bee bypasses that, but you can try trailblaze to beat quiver but alotta people are never gonna expect trailblaze, so they might just go stun spore instead of quiver.) clear amulet / hdb koraidon (Hdb lets koraidon switch in much more easily, blocks the crippling toxic spikes and hazard chip and webs, and hey, kingambit insurance. clear amulet also blocks webs speed drop, in addition to blocking landorus's intimidate but provides no spikes and rocks protection.) ditto, (does not fit on ALL structures, and isnt all that good outside of HO mirrors, oh yeah and cm ghostceus self improofs versus that.) terapagos (Oh hey! new HO mirror tech! blocks lunala ghostceus from having too much fun, has rapid spin, phasing, toxic for things that might like coming in to block spin like the aformentioned ghostceus and lunala, ting lu and more! perfect set of tools for these pesky mirrors.)
oh yeah and it also provides rocks support, say goodbye to weird low ladder sash users.
@clever bobcat
and ice rider, haven't seen that dude in a while.
clever bobcat
TLDR
paragraph
thank you i will keep all of this in mind
rose cargo
lost my mind for a sec there sorryyyy
paragraph response go brrrrrr, wonder where did he get that habit from?
rose cargo
yeah just remember that it is very important to prep for the HO mirrors these days, and who know what kinda random BS would you encounter on the ladder!
like an arceus-fairy pulling a random fire blast outta their arse
median geyser
like an arceus-fairy pulling a random fire blast outta their arse
Or sub tera ice kyogre 
Or ogerporn wellspring
Makes the stall mathchup pretty weird
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https://pokepast.es/7ab299ae342c99e4 i feel like i could improve but whenever i switch moves on some mons i feel even more limited, not sure why
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https://pokepast.es/7ab299ae342c99e4 i feel like i could improve but whenever i ...
I think you just have to commit to a single playstyle. As it is this is kinda a mix of hyper offense and balance, which usually doesn’t work that well since your mons don’t have the right synergy
Like the trick room sweepers, sash deo a, and sd koraidon all match for hyper offense then giratina and fairyceus kinda take away from it a bit
Fairyceus on HO is fine just taunt isn’t as effective when not on webs
fast sparrow
would dropping giratina for someone like zacian be better since i'm mostly going for HO anyway?
lime prairie
You can do that or if you go lunala you keep the spinblocker
Which would help since you should put hazards on the deo
Either make it deo s and normal HO lead or you can keep it as attack w stealth rock it’s just not as good of a mon
rose cargo
Or ogerporn wellspring
Oger WHAT
clever bobcat
yeah just remember that it is very important to prep for the HO mirrors these da...
252 Atk Dusknoir Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian on a critical hit: 448-528 (117.2 - 138.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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I know this is bit out of the blue but can someone give advice on my team
Illumise @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sweet Scent
- Protect
- Thunderbolt
- Light Screen
Darkrai @ Wide Lens
Ability: Bad Dreams
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Void
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Psyshock
Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
- Follow Me
- Dazzling Gleam
- Fire Blast
- Moonlight
Arceus-Ground @ Earth Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dazzling Gleam
- Dragon Pulse
- Judgment
- Perish Song
Magearna @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Soul-Heart
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Quiet Nature
- Trick
- Dazzling Gleam
- Energy Ball
- Ice Spinner
Typhlosion-Hisui @ Choice Specs
Ability: Blaze
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Eruption
- Will-O-Wisp
- Infernal Parade
- Poltergeist
here it is
I just wanna try a strat that is different from the meta
sonic cipher
Illumise @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP /...
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Illumise @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP /...
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cinder fox
in regards to the team itself tho, none of these mons are even remotely viable in ubers except arceus-ground who has a bad set
so you'd be better off using a sample
midnight tinsel
thanks
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with something like this you'd want to just commit to full stall
throwing on a kyogre and koraidon limit what those bulky mons can do for your team
ho-oh + arc or clod is the way to go on things like this
median geyser
with something like this you'd want to just commit to full stall
Alright
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Getting back into ubers after a few months, this team got me to around top 10 on ladder (peaked at #4 iirc), im currently hanging around 1600s
Thoughts on what i can change/replace? If anything
Basically just trying to see if its still good for current meta
median geyser
https://pokepast.es/7de42caf7fb769b2
https://pokepast.es/4ded3f6d5bdcdf86
Sendi...
1>2 and ur team looks pretty good
Why the evs on Giratina btw ?
My only suggestion would be to make it specs ogre
Instead of pao
frigid palm
Why the evs on Giratina btw ?
I honestly dont even remember lol, i made them quite a while ago
frigid palm
Instead of pao
Why ogre?
median geyser
Why ogre?
For better breaking potential
Chien Pao really needs atleast 2 slow pivot to do anything
Ho oh mathchup is also kinda weird with ur current team as nothing can really 1v1 it unless u get really lucky with stone edge and sf don't burn
rose cargo
https://pokepast.es/7de42caf7fb769b2
https://pokepast.es/4ded3f6d5bdcdf86
Sendi...
Sacred sword over sucker punch imo, you might wanna be able to do some better damage to Zac that way.
And I don’t like running double priority moves.
cinder fox
https://pokepast.es/7de42caf7fb769b2
https://pokepast.es/4ded3f6d5bdcdf86
Sendi...
scarf kyogre > pao/zac and spdef etern > ho-oh imo
and make it sd korai
put rocks on lando
alternatively you could use cm twave ogre and scarf lando
- twave rocks fairy and smth like lo korai and lo etern
original version of this team is super webs weak which is a huge no-no
team w my changes
frigid palm
https://pokepast.es/cd5d2ccfdb749e79
Ive been seeing an uptick in flamecharge korai usage on ladder, is that something worth considering?
cinder fox
yea but its more than manageable w rain fairy lando
if you mean on this team i wouldnt use flame charge personally
you need all the power you can get on korai considering thats the primary breaker
frigid palm
Also isnt rain + fire blast on etern kinda 
frigid palm
you need all the power you can get on korai considering thats the primary breake...
Hmm okay
cinder fox
Also isnt rain + fire blast on etern kinda <:death:800074052881874955>
it would be on a spdef etern but its still strong enough on lo
frigid palm
Would wisp>twave be better on fairyceus
cinder fox
you want twave
frigid palm
For something like gambit
frigid palm
Lando isnt a defensive set though, and gambits always at its worst when its last mon so roar isnt good into it lategame
cinder fox
you also have enough bulk to eat it
if you're that worried about it you can throw tera fairy on ogre
but gambit in general has kinda fallen off nowadays
so idt its that necessary
u can also go tera ghost on girao iyw
frigid palm
u can also go tera ghost on girao iyw
I prefer tera steel as insurance against caly or ndm
Though i guess the former isnt as big an issue anymore cuz ogre
cinder fox
I prefer tera steel as insurance against caly or ndm
thats fine asw
again thats more personal preference
cinder fox
@frigid palm other option is
tera electric trailblaze zac > etern
what that does is make enemy ogre ice beam not only not riskless
but incredibly risky
so you have an easier time playing around it
also nice stallbreaker, ESPECIALLY alongside lo korai
frigid palm
tera electric trailblaze zac > etern
Thats real??
cinder fox
its very real and very good
frigid palm
I played it like once but just assumed it was someone testing
What does it run
Sd tblaze bblade wc?
cinder fox
yes i noticed
frigid palm
And ran into default0 on the first game 
cinder fox
latter
frigid palm
Ah alr
cinder fox
Ill check it out
its v good vs ho bc
you can just lead it into bee or deos
tera and tb t1
and they really cant stop you, esp cuz you're immune to para
even if deos taunts you t1 they still cannot get hazards
and if they dont taunt, u can sd when speed boosted and potentially win off rip
you needed insurance vs webs/ho and ogre's ice beam while still being a breaker and tera electric tb zac fits the bill
frigid palm
and they really cant stop you, esp cuz you're immune to para
yeah i figured
frigid palm
you needed insurance vs webs/ho and ogre's ice beam while still being a breaker ...
i would kinda miss lo etern though
cinder fox
you wouldnt
frigid palm
cuz id have no special offense if i swap to zac
cinder fox
you have a whole cm ogre
scenic mantle
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oblique wyvern
You put evs into atk not spa on deos
cinder fox
rayquaza and flutter mane are not good mons and i wouldnt recommend using either. i also cant help but notice you have no arc
drain punch korai is also not good
just make korai standard tera fire dice scale, rayquaza into dd arc ground (with ice beam) and flutter into fast cm lunala
rose cargo
It has seen some use on some tournament games, but I don’t think this is the structure
cinder fox
its just standard dd arcground but with ice beam in the last slot
dd eq stone edge ice beam
also use spikes > rocks on deos, rocks does p much nothing for ho that spikes dont
cinder fox
just max spa max speed timid
cm 3a tera fairy
change the deos set as well to rocky helmet with special attack invest
team w my changes
oh wait
fire blast > flame on etern
scenic mantle
k
cinder fox
it should also be spikes > rocks on deos mb
the spread on deos outspeeds scarf ogre and is favored to ohko korai w psycho boost
and it always survives etern's mbeam too, which is unintended but still nice
scenic mantle
thanks
rose cargo
I would personally go with more speed on Etern to outpace stuff like max ada groundy, but that’s just personal
untold snow
https://pokepast.es/e8cd4a5c412b5f4a what should i change?
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carmine remnant
Tell me ur a vgc player without telling me ur a vgc player
For starters
Calyrex shadow rider is banned
And idk about incin and among or those specific sets
honest sand
wrong channel this is definitely a VGC team
carmine remnant
wrong channel this is definitely a VGC team
With 3 restricteds?
median geyser
Assault vest ndm 😭🙏
drifting pond
As we all know I'm horrible at making teams but is this good? Not really anything specific. https://pokepast.es/b17ddfe44004f640
honest sand
ngl judging by the sets i think ur bad at pokemon in general let alone ubers cuz uhhh
physical iron bundle 
jagged tartan
don't flame them for being new
drifting pond
physical iron bundle <:nailbite:1153098732653531146>
Yeah but it handles well
50% the time 
drifting pond
Is volcarona good? heh...
jagged tartan
and one of the rest is like decent
no, Volcarona is not good in Ubers
gets bodied by the 90% usage mon
drifting pond
what if I get the quiver dances off?
honest sand
and one of the rest is like decent
u mean 2
honest sand
ye i was gonna say surely fmane isnt that bad
jagged tartan
but they also don't fit on the same team
honest sand
true
jagged tartan
what if I get the quiver dances off?
You still get walled by it
it's just not worth
drifting pond
You still get walled by it
shucks
jagged tartan
especially when you have access to other threats in Ubers that are just more threatening
drifting pond
Well any tips? No diabolical roasting
drifting pond
only one of them is good
wait what one.
jagged tartan
I think the best thing to do would be to pick one of the good Pokemon that you've already chosen (Zacian, Flutter Mane, Arceus-Ghost) and build around that
drifting pond
hm
Might build around flutter mane but that's what I struggle on
I physically can't build a team that helps one singular mon
jagged tartan
that's ok
drifting pond
They all have there ups and downs
jagged tartan
teambuilding is the process of creating a team that aids the strengths and weaknesses of all of the team members
but you always have to start from somewhere
drifting pond
True
if I added a pokemon with BPass and a banded marshadow
would that do any help?
drifting pond
if I added a pokemon with BPass and a banded marshadow
Preferably with swords dance also
jagged tartan
and Baton Pass is banned in SV Ubers
drifting pond
I'm used to gen 7
jagged tartan
Lunala is pretty solid
drifting pond
I'm in LOVE with gen 7
jagged tartan
you could definitely build around it
jagged tartan
I was about to say that building around Lunala would be more successful than trying to build around Flutter Mane
jagged tartan
Misty Terrain?
jagged tartan
Misty Terrain does not power up Fairy-type moves
drifting pond
could do psychic terrain
jagged tartan
and Tapu Lele has Psychic Terrain, not Misty Terrain
jagged tartan
Tapu Lele is not in SV
not to mention this fact
jagged tartan
why not try and build Gen 7 OU then?
Lunala is not legal there, but all of the Tapus are
drifting pond
why not try and build Gen 7 OU then?
I don't really like ou much
one sec
js a concept
for sv ubers lunala
ik confuse ray is in usually useless but it could have it's uses
fairy terra for the obvious quad dark weakness on lunala
now i js
gotta build around it
97 isn't the fastest
still fast tho
man... why world. why. I wanna use my goat ferro
jagged tartan
This set is not it
but boots lunala is pretty solid
Boots Lunala is an Agility sweeper on offensive or hyper offensive teams
honest sand
man... why world. why. I wanna use my goat ferro
u can always try national dex ou
drifting pond
js added alolan muk for mainly js to annoy
indeedee for a reason you'll see
also
honest sand
....
jagged tartan
how do you annoy with Alolan Muk in Ubers?
drifting pond
not that
honest sand
they said annoy indeedee neither of which are viable
drifting pond
how do you annoy with Alolan Muk in Ubers?
good point one sec
honest sand
jagged tartan
uh
honest sand
idt u understand how to make a set
jagged tartan
Toxic Orb?
carmine remnant
Just use the samples pls
jagged tartan
yeah I'm just gonna redirect you to samples
shut skiffBOT
jagged tartan
2nd link
jagged tartan
but the ideas you've made don't set yourself up to learn the metagame well
Alolan Muk is not viable in Ubers
and the set you've made for Lunala is suboptimal
honest sand
u wanna make teams but u dont understand what makes a team good for the meta so u just end up making baloney
samples at least teach u whats viable, how to use viable mons together, and how to overcome weaknesses in play or building
building straight from scratch never works
drifting pond
ill js send the link when I'm finished
carmine remnant
Hopefully it's better than physical iron bundle and psybeam mane
drifting pond
Hopefully it's better than physical iron bundle and psybeam mane
shh
nobody needs to know
also indeedee will js be a fodder mon for lunala
replaced muk with magearna
carmine remnant
Then don't ask them to be rated 😭😭
drifting pond
Scratched the previous team and js did what felt right. magearna IS viable!! https://pokepast.es/3e2f720a143f15aa
stark cloud
No one is telling you that you can't use it. People are telling you it is a bad team. There is a big difference. If you want to try and build around a fringe viable mon people will help you, but if you insist on using unviable mons people won't
stark cloud
There are generations of Ubers where it is good, unfortunately SV is not one of them
drifting pond
There are generations of Ubers where it is good, unfortunately SV is not one of ...
But it js swiped a team-
kk I won't argue
drifting pond
No one is telling you that you can't use it. People are telling you it is a bad ...
is the new team an improvement at least?
stark cloud
I haven't seen the old one and only have a surface level understanding of SV Ubers and even I can pretty plainly see this isn't a viable team
drifting pond
As we all know I'm horrible at making teams but is this good? Not really anythin...
.
stark cloud
For all the reasons the actual Ubers raters such as tbolt mentioned earlier
drifting pond
I haven't seen the old one and only have a surface level understanding of SV Ube...
awh shucks
I've never actually
tried making a team outside of gen 7
so it's kinda hard
cinder fox
ye i was gonna say surely fmane isnt that bad
flutter sucks icl
drifting pond
I don't watch tournaments i js throw teams together and hope for the best
stark cloud
Tbolt recommended you use the samples for a reason. If you don't know a meta game you can't really build for it. Sample teams are vetted and made in part for people in your situation. Use those until you learn the metagame a bit and then try building your own stuff
drifting pond
some times they're decent
drifting pond
Tbolt recommended you use the samples for a reason. If you don't know a meta gam...
So I look at the samples
get an understanding
and sprout from there?
stark cloud
Yes, pick one you like and hit the ladder
cinder fox
get an understanding of the meta as a whole before trying to build yourself
drifting pond
Any small chance I could improve
drifting pond
I mainly make gen 7 ag teams
cinder fox
it takes a lot of practice
dont just blindly jump into teambuilding, it will get you nowhere
drifting pond
Before I played Us/Um I was worse than I am now. Completing that game, beating red and blue has helped improve ALOT
carmine remnant
stark cloud
You have shown repeatedly you are not willing to listen to the advice that people are giving you which makes people less willing to help you. Everyone here is a volunteer. From my perspective you're looking for validation about your original team rather than genuinely looking for advice
carmine remnant
In-game isn't exactly gonna help with competitive
drifting pond
In-game isn't exactly gonna help with competitive
yea
but it has improved me abit
Ppl say ultra necrozma was hard and i gotta disagree
also
imma go read the samples now
cinder fox
again competitive is completely different from ingame play, and theres much more you need to learn. just check out the tier resources and get familiar with the tier from a sample before trying to build yourself
shut skiffBOT
drifting pond
again competitive is completely different from ingame play, and theres much more...
I see the specs kyogre team and the girantina with poltergeist and grisceous orb
doesn't it fail?
I tried it before
cinder fox
no?
drifting pond
on a previous girantina and it js failed
cinder fox
polter only fails if the opponent doesnt have an item
honest sand
flutter sucks icl
drifting pond
idk if I understood
but here's a team
could be good
most likely bad
oh hold up I'm missing a mon 💀
accidentally deleted one
jagged tartan
https://pokepast.es/43ddd1c898e6a66e
- You can't have both Deo A and Deo D because of species clause
- Only two of the Pokemon you've chosen are viable in the metagame
If you want to build a team from scratch, we can move to #comp-general or #comp-general-2 and walk through that process
drifting pond
1. You can't have both Deo A and Deo D because of species clause
2. Only two of ...
oh
awh shucks
drifting pond
1. You can't have both Deo A and Deo D because of species clause
2. Only two of ...
I've read species I still don't understand what is and what isn't viable in metagame
or even know what metagame means
jagged tartan
or even know what metagame means
So metagame refers to the group of Pokemon and strategies that are good
The Ubers player base actually has listed the Pokemon that are good and the ones that are bad
drifting pond
If I don't follow metagame am I not allowed to use a team? I'm not tryna sound rude.
jagged tartan
In the Viability Rankings (first link)
jagged tartan
If I don't follow metagame am I not allowed to use a team? I'm not tryna sound r...
If you aren't trying to win, then we don't have any reason to help you
drifting pond
The Ubers player base actually has listed the Pokemon that are good and the ones...
I've used uber mons yes also some non uber mons
They mix well and/or counter metagame mons
picked barraskewda for TTar/Ho-Oh
psychic fangs for koraidon
jagged tartan
None of these Pokemon on any of the teams you picked switch into Koraidon
drifting pond
and crunch for lunala
jagged tartan
So what will end up happening is that Koraidon will enter, take a KO, you switch in your check, and Korai will switch out and you will do 30 in return
drifting pond
I js needed a fast water fodder
jagged tartan
Or it will set up on you and you will lose the game
drifting pond
Or it will set up on you and you will lose the game
so switch barraskewda for kyogre or something?
jagged tartan
This team needs a lot more work than just switching out one Pokemon
drifting pond
yea I figured
I looked at samples
Played a few games with fodder mons
realised people use the same teams as samples
or a pokemon from them
jagged tartan
That is kind of the point of samples
drifting pond
Mixed?
jagged tartan
You have both physical and special attacks
jagged tartan
I've read species I still don't understand what is and what isn't viable in meta...
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings.3724082/
This is a list of what are the good and bad Pokemon in SV Ubers
drifting pond
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings.3724082/
This ...
I js realised I had calm mind on a physical Deo A
😭😭
jagged tartan
It doesn't really matter
Deo A isn't supposed to set up anyway
Deo A is a Pokemon that's good at mixed attacking because its attacking stats are so high
drifting pond
Deo A is a Pokemon that's good at mixed attacking because its attacking stats ar...
I think I've made it better?
jagged tartan
wow the only thing that's coherent on this team is the Kyogre
jagged tartan
Dialga Origin is not viable
drifting pond
shucks
drifting pond
Removing cyclizar
I have no use for it now anyways
Tbolt
why's annihilape in ubers btw
jagged tartan
because it was banned from OU
Pokemon that are in Ubers are not necessarily viable in Ubers
and vice-versa; Pokemon that are not in Ubers are not necessarily unviable in Ubers
drifting pond
I'm confused with beads of ruin
jagged tartan
Think of it as a free 33% Special Attack boost for Chi-Yu
jagged tartan
nope, it's the opposite
You can multiply by a decimal and get a value that is less than the original
multiplying 300 Special Defense by 0.75 gives you 225 Special Defense
drifting pond
would Chi-Yu be viable? I kinda need his typings
drifting pond
Viability rankings link isn't loading
jagged tartan
it's strong, yes, but there are other Ubers Pokemon that are strong while also being much much faster
drifting pond
nvm js loaded
drifting pond
it's strong, yes, but there are other Ubers Pokemon that are strong while also b...
kk
What if I... used ditto to troll? 
jagged tartan
there are worse ideas
but I believe you would need to build a defensive team to support it
because Ditto itself cannot switch into anything
jagged tartan
or Diancie
drifting pond
shucks my goat volcarona is d tier
would having 2 choice items be alr?
Chien-Pao choice band could be nice
jagged tartan
depends on the team
jagged tartan
In general, B-tier Pokemon and below have to be built around instead of being slapped onto a team
if they're offensive Pokemon
drifting pond
ah
hm
I have Deo A so eh
Makes chien useless
what if i js use skill swap ribombee with honey gather so I'm trading nothing for something
jagged tartan
You would rather have Shield Dust
jagged tartan
- You're not really using Skill Swap on Ribombee
- It lets it not worry about stuff like Ho-Oh using Sacred Fire in the lead position
jagged tartan
You should look at the Smogon Dex for the sets
and Ho-Oh doesn't fit on Sticky Web
drifting pond
I didn't uh put sticky on it
jagged tartan
that is Ribombee's only role in Ubers
cinder fox
deoa and groundy sets make absolutely no sense, specs ogre and defensive ho-oh are not webs mons, and bee and zac teras make no sense
rose cargo
https://pokepast.es/98f94f2354787a7e
I hate scale shot missing
Also, am I building life orb koraidon correctly here? I feel like without Tera electric I dunno how to get through stall.
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rose cargo
I think I could definitely use substitute Zac over this set but the set is kinda just filler for the team anyways
I’ve liked Kyurem black in the slot of zacian for anti cheese purposes but ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
rose cargo
https://pokepast.es/d9aeca59d6568d76
Bulldoze arceus-ground 😭
You should go look in smogdex for better sets
drifting pond
Bulldoze arceus-ground 😭
You should go look in smogdex for better sets
shhh
Only other physical ground move except the other one i forgot
rose cargo
And you don’t need Tera fighting on Zac if you are not running CC anyways
drifting pond
forgot rock types exist lowk
drifting pond
And you don’t need Tera fighting on Zac if you are not running CC anyways
It's actually came in useful
rose cargo
It's actually came in useful
Turning a supereffective hit into a neutral hit or sth?
drifting pond
ye
drifting pond
would've been DEAD by these damn GROUND TYPES
- most ground types use rock type moves also
rose cargo
You one shot most mons after a boost anyways
And you are not supposed to 1v1 groundceus anyways
And landorus doesn’t always run rock tomb
And even then why are you tryna set up in front of it on switching in
drifting pond
And landorus doesn’t always run rock tomb
who says I was fighting landorus?
rose cargo
Groundceus?
drifting pond
nope
rose cargo
Gliscor?
drifting pond
Groudon is pretty low on the VR rankings this gen
still annoying if used right
rose cargo
At that point if you really wanna beat it you can use sub Tera steel zacian
Tera steel behemoth blade should KO after a swords dance unless they are max physdef
rose cargo
https://pokepast.es/98f94f2354787a7e
I hate scale shot missing
Also, am I buil...
Bump.
carmine remnant
https://pokepast.es/43ddd1c898e6a66e
I'm sure deo-a excellent defensive profile lets it set up with multiple calm minds
On a set with only physical attacks 🔥🔥
drifting pond
On a set with only physical attacks 🔥🔥
gng
I SAW MY MISTAKE
😭
I'm doing Deo-S with choice scarf trustt
carmine remnant
Not to mention groundceus with both eq and judgment
drifting pond
Heh
carmine remnant
I'm doing Deo-S with choice scarf trustt
That's also bad
drifting pond
Sigima
drifting pond
That's also bad
It was sarcasm
carmine remnant
Assualt vest barreskewda is like the worst set of all time
drifting pond
Assualt vest barreskewda is like the worst set of all time
barreskewda was added for fodder
That also isn't my final team..
carmine remnant
What is it then
drifting pond
finding it
drifting pond
What is it then
carmine remnant
And something else for ho-oh
drifting pond
ah alr
carmine remnant
Also cc>crunch on zacian
I'm p sure theres a bee sample
U can also use that if u want
drifting pond
not adding on sd to korai bc it's scarfed
carmine remnant
not adding on sd to korai bc it's scarfed
Change the set to the sd one 😭
drifting pond
Change the set to the sd one 😭
HMM
shut skiffBOT
drifting pond
so
jagged tartan
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/koraidon/
@drifting pond here is where you can get a set for SD Korai
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drifting pond
imma js assuming rmt=randomised team
jagged tartan
Rmt = rate my team
cinder fox
kyogre and hooh do not fit on webs and groundy shouldnt be rocks
ribombee and zacian teras also make no sense
drifting pond
kyogre and hooh do not fit on webs and groundy shouldnt be rocks
before i added dd it was roar rocks
drifting pond
ribombee and zacian teras also make no sense
zacian I forgot tp change
I js picked a random terra for ribombee
bc it's js gonna
sticky web then die
drifting pond
might make zacian terra water or flying
cinder fox
the set is fine but kyogre itself has no reason to be on this team
drifting pond
?
cinder fox
specs ogre just doesnt work on webs structures
cinder fox
it completely flubs into opposing ho which is the biggest problem for webs
carmine remnant
Right
carmine remnant
Is there any merit in that cm boots set
cinder fox
not that shitty agility set
carmine remnant
Oh lmao
carmine remnant
Understandable
cinder fox
just 252 spatk 252 speed 4 defense timid
boots
cm moongeist psyshock moonblast w tera fairy
replace ogre with that
then replace ho-oh with lo etern
on groundceus, ice beam > rocks and tera water > flying
tera fire > fighting on zac, tera ghost > bug on bee
drifting pond
then replace ho-oh with lo etern
lo?
cinder fox
life orb
drifting pond
kk
cinder fox
just the dex set
shut skiffBOT
sonic cipher
https://pokepast.es/9d3598081a5f45a2
Ew, shiny zacian??
drifting pond
Ew, shiny zacian??
Shiny Zacian is nice
drifting pond
50/50 this is good or bad
forgot kyogers terra
hol up
k pretend it's fairy
heh
jagged tartan
there is some good and some bad here
Mewtwo is not it
I think Koraidon would be better served by being Scarf
and Knock Off NDM is kinda eh
drifting pond
Mewtwo is not it
js using mewtwo since it's fun for me
- koraidon and land T bc it says they compliment mewtwo
honest sand
https://pokepast.es/6694f557e38e0516
Toxic orb on the steel type 
jagged tartan
feel like you want Eternatus here so that you can switch into Kyogre
probably that over Mewtwo
and then a Trick Room NDM so that you have a Pokemon that isn't afraid of Webs
drifting pond
Toxic orb on the steel type <:bob:1369728157980164269> <:monkey_think:1346098651...
forgot
abt
that
I removed the orb added smth else I forgot
rose cargo
https://pokepast.es/98f94f2354787a7e
I hate scale shot missing
Also, am I buil...
Bump again
drifting pond
hun
median geyser
But ndm
drifting pond
oh wrd
median geyser
Set isn't valid
median geyser
i changed it
Facade is kinda useless
Because of no stab
I prefer dd or sd over it
Dragon dance/ swords dance
median geyser
https://pokepast.es/98f94f2354787a7e
I hate scale shot missing
Also, am I buil...
This fire
Although iam not the biggest fan of the koraidon set
drifting pond
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median geyser
so scarf koraidons aren't a problem
Ehh u like to go with earth quake and photongyser
drifting pond
bc it's so slow
drifting pond
Got kyogre for that
median geyser
Got kyogre for that
Kyogre specially specs ogre ain't a valid ho oh check cause it gets 2 hkoed
By brave bird
And opposing koraidon can use it as setup fodder if it goes for water spout
drifting pond
could change its terra to rock or electric
median geyser
I think u always run photongyser and eq
Instead of sunsteel strike
On tr ndm
Cause if u set up tr and they bring in a ho oh
Ho oh would actually 1v1 ur Kyogre
Because of tr
drifting pond
replaced morning with photon
median geyser
Ho oh would be faster
median geyser
replaced morning with photon
Yes
drifting pond
I could
median geyser
Best set is
Sd
Photon
Eq
Tr
With weakness policy
drifting pond
eh
median geyser
On ho teams it's a good anti ho mon
But since ur running bulky offense
U can go for a more consistent item instead of weakness policy
Either heavy duty boots or leftovers to avoid ohko from +3 cc bb + close combat
drifting pond
U can go for a more consistent item instead of weakness policy
I could give it blunder policy then remove tr with stone edge
so it's a near guaranteed speed boost
then swipe with a few photons depending on their team
only problems with that would be etern and gambit that Land-T covers type wise
median geyser
only problems with that would be etern and gambit that Land-T covers type wise
Lando t
Is a horrible
Check to eterntaus
Just use ting lu
drifting pond
Only type wise not saying I'd switch land-t into an etern