#Ubers

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ebon plume
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And its not unviable so

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Yea

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Oh?

cinder fox
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i think modest chi-yu > timid

ebon plume
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Makes me lose it to kyogre and stuff like lando tho

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But ig kyogre is beating me anyway

cinder fox
ebon plume
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Scarf kyo

cinder fox
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and if they do they're scarf sete

ebon plume
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Which gets webbed

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Well

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Kyo does

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But yea ig other than that it makes sense

cinder fox
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you still lose to ogre anyways

ebon plume
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Yea

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Fair

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Ty

cinder fox
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besides scarf ogre isn't very common since it gets revenge killed p easily

ebon plume
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True lol

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Ait will try ty

lime prairie
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This 6 is fine it’d just rather rocks don + dd ndm and a non cb ho-oh, cb ho-oh is super specific and generally the worst way to use it

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Defensive is just so good there’s almost no reason to deviate

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Like this team isn’t entirely unviable even with cb just bc its ho-oh don marsh so you could run it if you just wanna use band ho-oh

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But I’ve only seen the mon work on a single team ever

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In all of ss

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And it tends to be on gimmicky structures

rose cargo
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I saw it on the dex and my dumbass thought it would be pretty usable

lime prairie
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It’s probably an OO set now but the dex specifies it being very niche

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It needs support to work if it ever can

radiant viper
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primal nest
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https://pokepast.es/46c648c7f7513275
been idly contemplating this for a while, not entirely sure about the deoxys rn over hooh
i got 6-0d by mm2 using drumlax but other than that i think it's pretty sturdy

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actually i might need bulk up don

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i guess i can seed and phaze

fading forge
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What is a good Kyogre counter

primal nest
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taunt m2 is a difficult mu but idk if there's a way around that

rose cargo
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But a good answer would be Eternatus.

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Also, go to comp general or sth for questions like this

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rose cargo
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We have seen some development of scarf korai on some HO structures but Ho-Oh definitely doesn’t fit here.

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Neither does specs wake, which I don’t even think is that good.

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rose cargo
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Quagsire has zero viability in this gen of Ubers

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Outclassed by dozo, and even dozo only goes on stall

rose cargo
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Dd groundceus seems good

radiant viper
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oh

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yeah

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thanks

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rose cargo
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Sneasler is unviable

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Tusk is borderline unusable but most still think it’s bad

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Ray doesn’t fit well outside of HO

kind dome
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Wow thanks concern

thin arrow
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How can I make it better

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rose cargo
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Why are you using a full team of unviable mons

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Second of all, no, not without replacing every single mon in the team

thin arrow
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So scrap the entire team

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My lead is usually samurott with the taunt and ceaseless

rose cargo
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Like koraidon and boys are right there

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I see no reason not to use them over the unviable stuff u got here

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In Ubers being marked as Ubers doesn’t mean you get enough usage OR that you are viable

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And before you do that…

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Look at the viability rankings

thin arrow
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Gotta start from scratch again

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Low-key tried building it myself

thin arrow
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Might’ve cooked here

potent hound
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my biggest problem with this team is that toxic orb is NOT reliable, given knock off, and any other status condition on this mon wld mess up my whole strat

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any tips?

steep tulip
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I assume this is for VGC

cinder fox
# thin arrow

Unfortunately none of these mons are at all viable in the tier. I'd suggest looking at the tier's resources as this team is far from the standard and can't be rated in this state

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rose cargo
# thin arrow

Brooooooooo… I told you to look at the VR rankings, so why did you just repick the worst mons 😭

thin arrow
thin arrow
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I do realize I get sweeped by Zaican

rose cargo
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rose cargo
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What

next rover
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Mb thats meant to be adamant

rose cargo
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And boots isnt good on ndm when you are doing HO shenanigans

next rover
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I went Tera water cause uh, Clod and Dozo

rose cargo
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You want max special attack max speed on ribombee with a timid nature

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Regieleki sucks and is completely unviable

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Scarf kyogre doesnt fit on webs and you might wanna go jolly on ndm because only with jolly you outspeed koraidon after a single boost

next rover
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Alr

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What do I replace Eleki and Kyogre with

rose cargo
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Jolly tera psychic + 1 photon geyser with lorb can oneshot ho oh btw

rose cargo
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Oh and also

next rover
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Tbh tho, I'd rather go Tera fire

rose cargo
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As good of a mon as fairyceus is

next rover
rose cargo
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Its not meant for HO unless you are these creative players doing iron defense cm stuff

next rover
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Hm

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Wba EKiller

rose cargo
next rover
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You got an EKiller set by any chance hmmsus

rose cargo
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Check that one out btw

next rover
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Ye

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The issue is all sample teams have Miraidon

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And that thing got banned

rose cargo
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Iirc

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Lemme check

next rover
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I need a SpAtker

rose cargo
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Lunala mbeam etern

next rover
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Lunala is viable?

rose cargo
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Offensive cm arceus also exists but they are more fringe

rose cargo
next rover
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I mean ngl I haven't played this tier in a fair bit, but ain't no way Lunala is usable without committing Tera

rose cargo
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Ive seen it pop up a few times in tournaments

next rover
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Alr then

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Lunala and Zacian-Crowned?

rose cargo
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But it has not been super proven yet just saying

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rose cargo
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Then zacian-c

next rover
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Alr

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Tera fighting cc on ZacC?

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Or tblast ground

rose cargo
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Play rough doesnt hit much other than koraidon and the occasional giratina origin which boosted blade hits hard enough

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But prough has uses

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Tho id perfer you swap out prough for wild charge so you can oneshot ho-oh

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Also

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Dont use morning sun on offensive ndm

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Go sunsteel strike or stone edge

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One hits arc fairy while the other shamones ho-oh

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@next rover

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Also, i would add more speed investment on arceus maybe, then throw in taunt over recover

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Many opposing arc normal runs boots nowadays so you might wanna do some speed creeping with taunt

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If you dont use taunt you can also use earthquake to hit ndm and eternatus

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Or if you are feeling zesty, stone edge to snipe ho-oh

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Eternatus can also afford to not go agility on this team in favor of a meteor beam 4 attacks set

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Or sth else idk

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Also

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You can drop some speed on zacian-c and throw them into bulk

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409 speed is usually enough to outspeed everything you need to outspeed anyways, especially with webs

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honest sand
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team usually works i havent struggled with anything notable im ngl

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a bit skeptical on korai MU tho

cinder fox
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firstly the better ghosty set on webs is bulky cm, helps with caly

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secondly zac >>>> gambit

honest sand
cinder fox
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cinder fox
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caly

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also helps with stuff like zac korai ogre etc

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water is just a vanilla good tera

honest sand
cinder fox
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you need blade

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if you're dropping anything for play rough it's cc

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blade is too valuable in the zacian mirror to give up

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and it's nice consistent damage vs everything since not many good steel resists

honest sand
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alr thanks

rose cargo
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rose cargo
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And a giratina-o spread that I got the idea from dpp that may or may not be bad

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I might have forgot some Tera types

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Ho-Oh is probably gonna be good here somewhere but idk where to put it

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And I really don’t wanna use stone miss giratina

cinder fox
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make kyogre fast specs

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water spout origin pulse ice beam thunder, max spa max speed timid

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tera water

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make etern fast lo

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make gira hex twave fog

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and make the fairyceus twave rocks

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team with all changes

rose cargo
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Awesome, tysm

rose cargo
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Kinda wanted to build around that

cinder fox
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this kinda structure needs to be more immediately offensive imo

rose cargo
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Ah

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Honestly anyother mon can change

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But can you keep idcm fairy?

cinder fox
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it would require removing gira o

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but yes

rose cargo
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Sure

rose cargo
cinder fox
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ho-oh

rose cargo
cinder fox
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imo be real chief i hate spdef etern here

rose cargo
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Shiest

cinder fox
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lo etern makes the team less passive overall

rose cargo
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Thankfully I got this exact set built on the switch

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Thanks

civic stag
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meager perch
# civic stag https://pokepast.es/279f96172440bc05

well in a balanced team like that, (personally) i don't really see the purpose of deoxys-a lo because it'll die fast and the team may not be good for doing huge hole in the opposant's team ? im not so good so it's to take carefully tho

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and lando is quite slow beside other leads with hazards so i think it'll be taunt and after you can't stop hazards

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on koraidon if he's blocked with the scarf as well play outrage

ebon plume
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it's a defensive pivot, used to pseudo-check and weaken physical attackers like Zacian-C and Koraidon, and it compresses Stealth Rock on its moveset and can get it up multiple times a match

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i cannot give much educated advice on Deoxys-A because I don't often use it, but I don't think it's particularly bad here, especially given that it's bolstered by pivoting from Koraidon and Landorus-T

ebon plume
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it usually boils down to preference and a bit of team composition but you generally use Outrage

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I'm not gonna be able to tell what is better in this team in specific though, that's on the official raters

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@civic stag ^

meager perch
ebon plume
# meager perch mine is here ! https://pokepast.es/f804770f50e33fb3

this doesn't look viable unfortunately, Annihilape is unviable in general outclassed as a suicide Stealth Rock lead by Glimmora, and even if it wasn't, it would run Final Gambit

Landorus-I is unviable outright

Specs Flutter Mane is decent and unviable without a partner Koraidon, which idk why you're not running, given that it's an HO team anyway

Arceus and Zacian-C are fine (out of curiosity, why are you running 60 Speed EVs on Arceus?), and Palkia-O is a convoluted case (you also really want Spacial Rend if you'll use it), but this team needs major reworking overall, the idea is good but I'm not sure how much of the current specifics are salvageable

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I'd probably wait for a rater to come by because unless you just want to use a standard HO team, this needs more effort and I honestly don't trust myself to recreate a non-standard team from the rater's perspective lmao

meager perch
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okay i see, so koraidon would be much better instead of lando-l, but glimmora don't have taunt isn't it important ?

ebon plume
meager perch
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and the 60 evs on arceus are to outspeed adamant rayquaza but i looked that on smogon without much thought

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oh right sry

ebon plume
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it usually runs 56 for that

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i assumed you were running 60 to speed creep opposing 56 speed Arceus LOL

meager perch
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😭😭

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well the 4 more yes but 56 are for Ray

ebon plume
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yea

meager perch
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is it really useful tho ? bc i didnt see any rayquaza

ebon plume
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ok arceus and zac are fine, lando should definitely be a scale shot korai

ebon plume
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it can run like 7 different speed investment tiers

meager perch
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oh 💀

ebon plume
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palkia-O is a mess but I believe it is viable if you want to use it (do be noted it's not optimal but probably workable)

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i gotta go dinner real quick

meager perch
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yes that was pretty much the only pokemon i really wanted

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np

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good diner

ebon plume
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ty

cinder fox
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and unfortunately the unviables include palkia o

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bc you'd wanna use eternatus or kyogre over palkia o every time

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cinder fox
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would highly recommend taking a look at these resources

meager perch
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yeah i see

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which resources ?

cinder fox
meager perch
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i don't see any

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see chatot but nothing else

cinder fox
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@meager perch these resources mainly

meager perch
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oh thanks

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truthfully

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ebon plume
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damn chatot cooldown reset

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edit: that's supposed to be sludge bomb & tera dragon on etern

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misinput, copypasted the meteor beam set before making alterations and this slipped through me 👍

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am so smart

civic stag
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Deoxy A giga nuke

ebon plume
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Yea I don’t see anything blatantly wrong with your team

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As a suggestion

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I like to run 8 Speed instead of 8 Attack on Landorus-T

civic stag
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Only thing is I don't really like that I don't got enough special walls

ebon plume
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Helps with Lando-T mirror and also speedties Kyogre standard spreads

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Not that that’s any helpful but it’s mostly for the mirrors

ebon plume
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Atp*

civic stag
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Oh

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I see

ebon plume
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You can’t reliably check every threat but you can sort check most of them

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The only thing I’m wondering

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Is how do you deal with opposing Scale Shot Koraidon

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…nvm you have a fairyceus

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The icon

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Did not load

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LOL

civic stag
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Yeah that's the only koraidon check I found

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So I felt it was important

ebon plume
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That’s what I get for doing rating rn

ebon plume
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The team is good I reckon

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Pretty standard, solid, reliable

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The only debate is really whether to run Dragon Claw or Outrage on Koraidon

civic stag
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I haven't tried outrage but when I was making it. I found that I didn't like outrage trapping me because if they swapped to fairyceus or zacian the koraidon's just dead

ebon plume
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But ye, you cannot click it until they are dead or you get revenge killed

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Outrage is harder to use

civic stag
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Yeah even that. The confusion is kinda unnecessary rng

ebon plume
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Ig

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Other than this debate the teams solid gl lol

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Might be worth revisioning more carefully later for any specific details

civic stag
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I also kinda dont want koraidon to die

ebon plume
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But it’s 1 am and I can’t anymore

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LOL

civic stag
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Aight

ebon plume
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Gn

civic stag
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Night

rose cargo
ebon plume
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Got it rated w/Oreo lol

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Ty tho

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Also lo mbeam was a misinput anyway lmao

rose cargo
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lol

civic stag
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anyways I found a weakness

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and I dont really like it

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its sticky web

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for my team that is

ebon plume
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show the team again

civic stag
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ebon plume
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i was about to say not here

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but whatever

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make use of it if any rater sees anyway

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i don't think this is too weak to webs tho?

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scarf korai, 3 mons are immune and arc-fairy doesn't care

civic stag
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yeah but webs is always gimmick

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bs

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im always too scared of twave shenanigans and I hope webs dont come up but they always do

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maybe im piloting it wrongly

cinder fox
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if anything it's the best team style in the meta

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and yes

civic stag
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Yeah but I'm not really sure how to beat it

cinder fox
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you are very weak to it with this team

civic stag
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I hate having to run more boots or run defog

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When I'm practically forced to run giratina

cinder fox
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it can kinda be helped if you go for id cm fairy and dtail > flame on etern

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but it's still an uphill battle

civic stag
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I keep facing gimmick webs teams

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Teams where they are bad but because I'm weak to webs its so difficult

cinder fox
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webs isn't a gimmick in ubers

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its the best style

civic stag
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I meant gimmick Web teams

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Teams with shitmons like indeedee

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Healing wish indeedee

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Ik it's not a gimmick there are real webs teams

civic stag
cinder fox
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not really. notice i said id cm fairy specifically which walls caly

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plus you already have a kyogre which is hard enough for caly on its own

civic stag
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So instead of twave and taunt I run ID CM

cinder fox
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yes

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and some speed creep for other cm arcs

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i usually like 248 hp 224 def bold 36 speed

civic stag
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Or I make a whole new team atp

cinder fox
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i mean you don't necessarily need to

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this team is fine just needs a few changes

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just id cm fairy and dtail > flame on etern really

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i'm not fond of the deoa but it's fine

civic stag
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I mean if theres another mon I can replace it with what would it be

cinder fox
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probably just sub ho-oh

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Ho-Oh @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Sacred Fire
  • Brave Bird
  • Substitute
  • Recover
ebon plume
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explain how come

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i'm curious

cinder fox
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compared to webs

ebon plume
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oh

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ohhh

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i was like

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"three webs immunes + scarf koraidon, man has enough to deny the speed control advantage"

civic stag
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The webs are enough to make a shitmon web team super difficult

cinder fox
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usually bo has to make up for their kinda low speed with scarf koraidon unless they pack something like a scarf lando t

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but obv thats nullified by webs

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which is why bo is naturally weak to webs

ebon plume
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makes sense

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i think i have yet to lose two games to webs teams with mine but that's because I have a lot of safety net against offensive sweepers

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lando-t + fairyceus + boots lunala

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  • scarf korai
cinder fox
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its not a permanent solution

civic stag
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Might make something with ice caly sooner or later

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Ice caly ndm offensive?

cinder fox
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and while webs isn't exactly defensive, since the ghost they pack is defensive in some form to help against caly they do have enough longevity to threaten over and over

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so its not enough to defensively stave off smth like zac once

ebon plume
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fair

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i guess i'm just outplaying the ladder webbers

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LOL

civic stag
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Definitely needs ekiller arceus and a way to beat out ghosts

cinder fox
civic stag
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Should be helpful against the web menaces

cinder fox
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and if you want sub ho-oh > deoa

ebon plume
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id cm fairyceus is a g

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i'm ngl mon is scary asf

civic stag
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Gotta update it now

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What does ID CM do anyways?

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Be too bulky to kill?

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And then kill back?

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Also dragon tail

cinder fox
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only true counter is ho-oh in non-lastmon scenarios

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if it's lastmon id cm fairy then ho-oh doesn't check it at all

civic stag
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Wb dragon tail?

cinder fox
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its immune to it

ebon plume
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immunity to a move prevents every effect of the move

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it counts as a failed move outright

civic stag
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No I mean dragon tail on etern

ebon plume
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oh

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@cinder fox lmao.

cinder fox
sharp comet
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how can i improve this

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civic stag
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i faced you

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on ladder

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well what i can say is

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meows isnt good

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so is pex

civic stag
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its my alt

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no harsh feelings

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but I think I can help out

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@sharp comet

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that toxapex can be a kyogre

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but defensive CM kyogre

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it helps you out against koraidon but theres no guarentee

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Fairyceus is probably better but I assume you want to keep ekiller

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Also your zacian set gets walled by hooh and ndm. You should always use cc and wild charge as without those, you would get walled by ndm and hooh respectively. You also wanna choose between play rough and behemoth blade and want sd as your last move

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That meowscarada has to go ngl

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Probably want a hooh to replace the meowscarada spot and finally since miraidon is gone, tinglu isn't as good so you could possibly replace it with eternatus if you want

cinder fox
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firstly for future reference please put teams in a pokepaste format

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second, as mentioned meow and pex are unviable. ting is not unviable but doesn't fit alongside ekiller

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i'd go for waterceus > ekiller, etern > pex, landot > meow

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and go wild charge > sub on zac

sharp comet
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what item for landot?

cinder fox
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rocky helmet

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also make it defensive lando

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like this

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@sharp comet here

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rose cargo
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oh... that one

sharp jolt
rose cargo
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drop miraidon. for obvious reasons drop it first.

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eternatus seems pretty good for a replacement, but kyogre works as well, but since this is a flutter mane team idk

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oh and also, idk where did you find that Ho-Oh spread, but its trash and dont use it.

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if you want specialized spreads, use sth like208hp 216atk 36def 48spe

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and also, put the format in the pokepaste so that the bot can detect it

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and that ndm set is ass

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why cant you just add the format in the teambuilder

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like, there is a button above that allows you to pick the format for it

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after picking the format you specified then throwing it into a paste, you can trigger the bot

sharp jolt
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I don't see how it's a big deal

rose cargo
sharp jolt
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OH

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alright
I see

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I shouldn't do that now though should I?

rose cargo
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you should

sharp jolt
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alright then

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rose cargo
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there

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the ndm set is still ass tho

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you got alotta HO mixed in with random stuff

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and you better pray that your ndm stays healthy enough to not get wiped by ice rider

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also put that spdef in defense

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the spread is a personal one made by me that outspeeds 4 spe gliscor, always lives a non crit +1 wild charge from zacian, and always lives a +2 silk scarf espeed from arceus

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and 101 hp subs that may or may not matter

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long dew
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whats the most consistent scarfed koraidon counter; ive been using sxarfed reg zacian and it works but thatd only cause of surpise factor

rose cargo
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And where did the original paste go? Did you delete it?

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The general koraidon checks in the tier are arceus-fairy

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And for scarfed sets, lando

cinder fox
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but in general the best scarf korai checks are arceus-fairy, ho-oh, landot

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and several others depending on what attack korai locks into

rose cargo
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not another only one legendary kinda person

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we cannot help you with this and mega rayquaza has been banned in every iteration of Ubers

iron terrace
civic stag
rose cargo
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wait

rose cargo
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(i myself am a fan)

civic stag
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thats godly gift

rose cargo
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seems about right

civic stag
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and godly gift did the whole

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1 legendary in a team better thing

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😭

rose cargo
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ah yes my 170 spa talonflame

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oh wait nvm

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its banned

civic stag
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ngl we should create godly gift propoganda

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make these temp6t fans play the tier

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if these temp6t fans want to make a team with only 1 uber might as well do it in a tier where you know

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you make a team with 1 uber

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Just playing with house rule lol. Ubers isn't exactly hard with the near unlimited pool. Idk who Temp6t is, but im assuming thats a legendary hater. Don't get it twisted if he has hater for his belief im on his side. Loser behavior to hate like that imo, but you do you

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Theres a limited pool hence why I was asked for suggested help

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Sorry for posting in wrong chat

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im starting to cook

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first off, chi-yu is super gimmicky

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and I'd only suggest it in webs

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nacl also has no real niche specially so when you're running rocks on it ALONGSIDE another sr setter

rich ravine
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i run nacl to deal specifically with hooh which beats the four attackers i have

steep tulip
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if you are this scared of ho-oh you need to actively find a way to beat it

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it's never staying it to take a salt cure no matter what and you are never punishing it switching in because of hdb

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you can do something like power gem on the arceus

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and commit to the HO idea by dropping nacl for a way to consistently beat ho-oh, like eternatus

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also, scarf chi-yu is doing no type of dmg

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and the speed is not necessary when you already have a scarfer in koraidon

rich ravine
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okay

steep tulip
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I'm also scared for your webs MU if you face the MU fish that is scarf ribombee

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which is why etern w agility might not be a bad shout

rich ravine
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got it

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what should be sixth

steep tulip
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Ability: Pressure  
Tera Type: Fire  
EVs: 124 HP / 252 SpA / 132 Spe  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Agility  
- Meteor Beam  
- Dynamax Cannon  
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honestly, you have no boots user and koraidon/zacian are always scary

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could go for lunala

cinder fox
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would say go bee > deos (prolly sash)

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and i do agree with the etern > garg here

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this arceus ghost spread is fine but the mu vs other cm arcs, ESPECIALLY demon fairy, is not fun. i'd prolly go taunt > dtail for that

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dont use scarf chi yu. like ever. piss weak mon. idt chi yu is viable but if you want to use it i'd say nasty plot is better

silver oyster
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hello please someone help me please to make a good team without legend poke with this 2 pokemon im in love on them ^^. thanks
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Shadow Ball
  • Power Gem
  • Thunderbolt

Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Make It Rain
  • Shadow Ball
  • Nasty Plot
  • Recover
rose cargo
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In all seriousness, we don’t help with stuff like this

silver oyster
rose cargo
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💀

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Gotta hate on an subjective category of mons

silver oyster
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why speaking to be just toxic ?

rose cargo
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No, the thing is that this is something that the Ubers players will never help with

cinder fox
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cinder fox
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but this is workable

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ok firstly landot > lugia. you have no rocks or non-passive ground immunes, and lando t gives you both

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defensive landot

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gira o > gira a. gira a is just a strictly better mon than gira a bc it's not passive like gira a is

kind dome
cinder fox
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it can outspeed para'd deoa. doesnt really come up but its more impactful than 8 attack

kind dome
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Done

cinder fox
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anyways.

kind dome
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imo defensive cm twave kyogre > urshifu. since you're not using fairyceus you need everything you can get vs ho

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and esp scale korai

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also tbh i think on here etern > gira. otherwise your only real out vs cm arcs is winning the cm war which isn't always reliable

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speaking of, eleceus is better being physically defensive imo. max speed really doesn't help very much and physdef allows eleceus to act as a zac and ho-oh check. this can preserve hp on lando for other mons like korai, groundy

ebon plume
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(oh I was gonna send a team but yall are rating, ping me when you're done)

cinder fox
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the speed on eleceus is just creep in cm wars. you can go slower if you like

ebon plume
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anyway

https://pokepast.es/84352445a139666b
after talking w a new friend who made a shed tail team, I made a shed tail team of my own

not sure how good the archetype is atm but the VR ranks Orthworm so I was like "yo I'll go for it" and here we are

scarlet sage
ebon plume
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even if i play mostly OU it's still amazing seeing people do what they do

rose cargo
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rose cargo
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Lunala kinda shits on stall and idcm seems good into opposing HO, but eternatus and zacian here are still just filler sets

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And before you tell me that ndm is washed

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Lemme just say the ladder usage has not dropped one bit

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So I don’t think I can afford to drop cc

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Thoughts tho?

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I realized that play rough kinda sorta lets zacian self improof vs the ladder bs

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But I would still kinda want blade for that accuracy

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Or maybe I should do that sub swords dance set?

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Oh wait I don’t think the ladder environment is very friendly to non Tera fighting cc sets tbf

long dew
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https://pokepast.es/558bbabdfdf4ad88
Im struggling to deal with defensive set up sweepers: lunala, arceus-fairy, duskmane-necrozma the type that has calm mind and iron defense and runs away with the game

rose cargo
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Anyways sorry for cheesing you with idcm ndm earlier if thats who you faced :3

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Zacian-C: One of the team’s great attackers, Zacian is the fastest pokemon on the team, but is also the sole provider of coverage against fighting- and fairy-types. It can counter Koraidon and sometimes Zacian, the two most popular pokemon in the tier.

Koraidon: Koraidon is a great counter to Kyogre and is of course one of the best pokemon in ubers right now. I preferred the loaded dice set over the scarf set because Kyogre is also holding the choice scarf. Two choice scarf users seems like it’d have several weaknesses.

Zekrom: Zekrom is usually able to set a substitute and can become very dangerous after a few Dragon Dances. It’s the main wallbreaker on the team. I can catch many stall teams off guard, combined with its ability to ignore Unaware, it can beat even Dondozo with the right setup. I opted for Fusion Bolt over Bolt Strike because I was too frustrated with Bolt Strike missing. I have lost several games because of Bolt Strike’s accuracy.

Kyogre: Kyogre is essentially the only special attacker on the team. It does a very good job though. Water Spout can do large amounts of damage and Ice Beam can handle Koraidon somewhat well. Scarf and Tera Water help Water Spout too.

Skeledirge: Skeledirge is one of my favourite pokemon in Ubers, and it does a great job. It can easily switch into Koraidon, Zacian, Arceus-Normal, Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, Calyrex-Ice, and many more. It does a great job at burning the opponent then healing. Tera fairy is always good for defensive pokemon, but also it can counter Scale Shot Koraidon if needed.

Ting-Lu: Ting-Lu is my specially defensive wall. It also does a good job at countering the physical attackers that Skeledirge can’t handle, like Arceus-Ground and Groudon. It also is the only member of the team that can set up hazards on the opponent’s side. Ruination can deal with defensive pokemon and Whirlwind can deal with pokemon trying to set up.

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Overall, the team has a few weaknesses. First of all, entry hazards are a big threat for my team, especially Kyogre. I don’t even have any poison-types to remove Toxic Spikes. Second, teams with Ho-Oh can be threatening, especially when they also have hazards or they have Koraidon. This makes it so Kyogre’s Water Spout (my only counter to Ho-Oh,) does virtually nothing against Koraidon. The opponent can use mind games and I may end up using Ice Beam on Ho-Oh. Earth Power Arceus-Fairy can be a threat to my team as well. I can’t think of any other large weaknesses on the team.

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you gotta commit to one style. if you dont you end up with some mons not really having a place on a team that plays differently to the mon's playstyle

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in this case, because you have scale koraidon, zacian, and zekrom together, it seems like this was initially trying to be bulky or hyper offense.

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but then you added dirge and ting? whose playstyles are antithetical to the bulky offense direction this team was trying to go prior

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the result is that you have a bo with two momentum sinks. none of your offensive mons are suited to the longer games that dirge and ting are supposed to play for. plus the fact that it overrelies on skeledirge to stave off scale koraidon is really not great

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that said here's my suggestions

honest sand
cinder fox
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scarf korai > scale korai. if you're not ho (which i assume you're not trying to be) then there's almost zero reason to not use scarf korai

humble olive
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Ok thanks I just changed it

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do you think scarf koraidon is ok even with scarf kyogre?

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this has got to be

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the

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absolute

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WORST

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comp

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ive ever seen

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first off

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Skeledirge isnt even a legendary

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second of

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TIng-Lu has got to be one of the worst pokemon in all time

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im just kidding

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this comp is so good

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I really love the fact your being adventurous and not using all legendaries

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really cool

humble olive
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what 💀

cinder fox
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defensive arceus fairy > skeledirge. skeledirge should never be your sole defensive check to koraidon precisely because it can get 2hkoed by scale shot, and from there you legit have no options vs it

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defensive fairy is not perfect vs korai but it at the very least can block +2 scale shot, while the rarer flame charge kinda just bounces off as fairyceus twaves. from there you can revenge kill

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change the ogre set to boots cm, this set is just better than scarf alongside scarf korai

humble olive
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Ok thanks

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I added both of those changes

cinder fox
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theres more

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Kyogre @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 164 Def / 80 SpA / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Calm Mind
  • Origin Pulse
  • Ice Beam
  • Thunder
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is the kyogre set. you still remain an offensive threat but gain the ability to survive +2 low kick from non lo korai

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alternatively you can use specs kyogre and use special girao > ting lu

cinder fox
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with rock tomb > stealth rock

cinder fox
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this zacian set is also bad bc it's stonewalled by non tera ho-oh, wild charge > sacred sword 1000000%

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tera fire, electric, or flying depending on what feels best in testing

humble olive
cinder fox
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also frankly if you're gonna use zekrom

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mixed lo dd w tera electric is better than this set

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this set gets walled by fairyceus

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and on that note i get accuracy woes but you need bolt strike

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otherwise you need much more chip to break fairy which isn't always feasible bc your only hazard is stealth rock

candid raven
rose cargo
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Tryna troll marshadow + arceus teams? Nah marsh isnt in this gen and this is unsalvageable

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rose cargo
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I have seen idcm shenanigans on webs and it looks kinda fun to me

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But idk, maybe BU arceus is better but idcm seems more fun (Plus it doesn't necessitate me rebuilding and spending more of my resources on cart)

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So yeah this team us built around lunala + idcm arc fairy

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Mostly cm lunala tho

candid raven
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i just want a good team with zoroark and reshiram i feel like the team is good but im missing some coverage and ould be better

rose cargo
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Same could be said for reshiram, remember, being listed as ubers doesn't make you viable

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Actually, there us a reshiram team that had good results with rockceus but that might have been AG but idk

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But still

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For competitive pokemon, the number 1 thing ya need to know is that your favorites are very likely not viable in the tier you play

candid raven
stark cloud
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Zororark is quite good in RU iirc, but Reshiram has always had a lot of trouble finding success in Ubers metagames

cinder fox
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i'd take a look at these resources, esp the sample teams, as this team really cant be properly rated in this state

cinder fox
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but thats just a personal opinion

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something i'll say is that sash bee > scarf bee here. you have no zacian checks without webs so you need bee to be sashed

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also tera fire >>> tera ghost korai and blade > cc/play rough on zac

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bruh I swear ubers deals with the new player problem alot

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idt OU has as much new player issue as ubers do

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I want an ubers team with no legendaries or 1 legendary

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How about you play little cup for the former and Godly gift for the other

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godly gift has some fun stuff too

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STG im gonna make a video on these types of players

cinder fox
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208 hp 252 spa modest 48 speed

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mbeam > sbomb and power herb > lo

civic stag
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oreo idk how you are capable of dealing with these types of people lmao

lost sable
cinder fox
lost sable
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surely we can be 44 speed for that

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odd hp ig

cinder fox
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yea

cinder fox
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if you dont like caly tho kyub is fine. just make sure to play extra careful vs webs

lost sable
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man the whole point is i wanted to be kyub+groundy

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which really only leaves etern as the flex slot :(

cinder fox
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i mean kyub is fine if you want to keep it

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oh wait since you have a kyub drop taunt on groundy

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for recover

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and tbh no need for tera blast fire on kyub. ndm is a fake ahh mon

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can go sub tera fire or scale shot tera electric instead. latter is prolly better bc it lets you set up all over bee

lost sable
jagged tartan
cinder fox
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considering im an official rater

rose cargo
rose cargo
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~~Necrozma usage still sky high on the ladder I am kinda struggling lmao

stark cloud
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isn't the term casual elitist or something?

jagged tartan
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I use the Sirlin term "scrub"

civic stag
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okay its a bit cringe

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I kinda regret it

candid raven
rose cargo
civic stag
candid raven
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do u mind helping me make like a good team

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i dont wanna play a bracket w legendaries or nun its boring

cinder fox
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jagged tartan
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More like !nolegends

long dew
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haven't really been struggling too much tera steel ribombee has been a bit of a nuisance but ive won most of those match ups just wanted to see if anyone had suggestions

rose cargo
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And me personally would not bring choice band Ho-Oh on some Ho

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Actually, no good player will unless for specific cteam

long dew
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this is le specific team honestly choice band ho-oh gets the more value than most other mons on my team in a lot of my games

long dew
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wait

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doesnt that make me worse against steel ribombee

rose cargo
long dew
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oh nvm

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i see it

rose cargo
long dew
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idk why i thought mud shot had 20 bp

rose cargo
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Opposing glim

long dew
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ok yeah mud shot is better

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i see it

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should i

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play max speed deoxys attack

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right now i just have it right above zacian

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cause speed tieing is kind of inconsistent anyway but would i just play for speed tie

long dew
rose cargo
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Guh

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I mean there are definitely better options on HO

long dew
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man

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no there arent

rose cargo
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Not using Zacian-c is giving up alotta pressure

long dew
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98% heavy duty boots usage

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almost 2% choice band usage

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choice band is at least 2nd best

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imo choice band better for my team than heavy duty

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keeps pressure and makes ho-oh legitimate threat

rose cargo
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Meanwhile you just forgone one of the best HO mons in Zac-c

long dew
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and zacian can never switch out

rose cargo
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But still

long dew
rose cargo
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Zacian-c is always better than Ho-Oh on HO

long dew
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i would have 0 way to deal with koraidon* if i did that

rose cargo
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@cinder fox

Convince this guy that choice band Ho-Oh < Zacian-c on HO

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🙏😭

rose cargo
long dew
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worrywhirl have u seen my set

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its max def

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or near max

cinder fox
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yeah its only max defense

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its not max defense AND max hp

long dew
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'only' unless koraidon is outraging out

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its fine

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to tank anything

cinder fox
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you die to koraidon

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you do not eat with just defense

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and besides

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its ho

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you're not trying to eat hits

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just attack

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ho-oh just isnt an ho mon while zac is frankly required on ho

long dew
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wo ho-oh eats hits like a mf

cinder fox
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offensive does not

long dew
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boohoo but he do tho

cinder fox
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defensive does

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but this ho-oh is NOT defensive

rose cargo
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Plus this team has 3 choice item users

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💀

cinder fox
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wait yeah why on earth are there 3 choice users on ho

rose cargo
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And how on earth is the Ubers ladder bad enough to get this to 1700

long dew
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yippee i what is this prejudice against 3+ choice users and band ho-oh

long dew
rose cargo
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It’s 3 choice items on HO how can this be good

cinder fox
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the ubers ladder is famously awful

rose cargo
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In terms of both skill and activity

cinder fox
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that a team can top it doesnt mean very much

long dew
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band ho-oh and 3 choice items doesnt automatically make a team bad does it

rose cargo
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No, but if you are running HO it does

cinder fox
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on an ho team you should not be using choice items in general

rose cargo
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Unless you are that one sample team

cinder fox
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and ho-oh straight up is not an ho mon

long dew
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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ok name just changed

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its a balance team now

rose cargo
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You have focus sash lead glimmora

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Still HO

long dew
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na i never lead glimmora

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in my life

rose cargo
long dew
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idk if u hve so many qualms about this not being your ideal version of ho

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maybe it just isnt ho

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:Caught:

rose cargo
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It’s just a fact

cinder fox
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the team is trying to be ho

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automatically

long dew
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maybe its like. a tier below ho

cinder fox
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it is ho

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thats glimms role

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and you're supplementing it with 5 offensive mons

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that is textbook ho

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but the sets are simply not suited to ho

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you need to commit to one style, because if you dont commit then you get a team that tries to be two styles but isnt very good at being any of them

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zacian-c > ho-oh. ho-oh is not an ho mon while zac is near required on ho

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change korai to the scale shot set. there's absolutely no reason to use scarf korai alongside a glimm

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agility etern > kyogre, kyogre really isnt good on ho imo while etern is a staple

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lunala > deoa. again deoa doesnt fit on ho while lunala is common and good

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fast cm 3a

long dew
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Hmm ok first of all def not going to change literally every Pokémon on my team

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Meh idk I guess I’m not committed to the HO archetype

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I usually slow the game down a bit with switch not purely ramming damage into the enemy until they die

cinder fox
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this team is not suited to that playstyle

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is the thing

long dew
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Eh apparently it’s not suited to ho either

cinder fox
long dew
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I play to the defensive advantage of the mons and then just exploit the hell out of their offensive capability

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They’re all mons that can single handedly sweep teams after enough battering one mon can take it home

cinder fox
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but the mons and sets

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arent

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thats the problem with this team as is. it's not committing to one style and is trying to be ho and bo at the same time

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but that just does not work at a high level

long dew
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It doesn’t feel like too much of a problem though

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Actually what is the problem with not communizing to one archetype

cinder fox
long dew
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Those are just words

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I have yet to found an unnwinnable match up

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I’ve gotten to 1700 without much struggle I be playing other stuff while doing this

cinder fox
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if you're trying to be ho, the mons are not suited to the fast offensive playstyle that ho needs to be playing at

long dew
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Guess I’m not I’m somewhere in between balance and ho

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I pretty commonly defensive pivot

cinder fox
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and if you're trying to be bo, the mons simply do not have the ability to slow the game enough to the extent bo needs to be playing at

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bc they are all running offensive sets

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that simply isnt how bo plays

long dew
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But realistically is there any shortcomings to not playing into one archetype other than not being in an archetype

cinder fox
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its trying to play at the pace of both styles

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but it just isnt suited to either

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and its ineffective at both as a result

long dew
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Yeah ineffective at being hyper offense and balance doesn’t nesscarily mean not winning though which is what I mean

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Just because I’m not playing at a certain pace doesn’t mean it’s not a usable team I mean ur saying it’s ineffective as if it’s an on paper theoretical team but I’ve played like 25 games with it and it’s working

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At as ‘high’ of a level as ladder goes pretty much

cinder fox
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anything can top the ubers ladder

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the ubers ladder is famously low quality

long dew
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Sounds great to me means anything can work right doesn’t have to fit into one archetype

cinder fox
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ubers ladder =/= high level

long dew
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fair enough

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its not failing though not to the poibt where i need to replace kyogre, ho-oh, deoxys, and the koraidon set

ebon plume
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Ok so

long dew
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thats jst a different team

ebon plume
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You probably wanna replace glimm then

long dew
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for giratina?

cinder fox
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if youre replacing glimm and making it bo

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this would need significant set changes across several mons to be suited to bo

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and atp you're better off using a sample

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long dew
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hmmm i dont see a hazard cleaner that can quite maintain pace like glimmora though

ebon plume
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Glimmora is not a hazard cleaner anyway, the best we have in this regard is Giratina-O but really, hazard cleaning atm is tough

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Glimmora is a lead and exclusively a lead

long dew
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i mean i play glimmora as a hazard cleanrr lol

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ive never lead a single gamr with glimmora

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gets some great switch ins and can be a sac against phys mons with an upside

cinder fox
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  • Saccing an entire teamslot for a Toxic Spike, especially if you offer nothing else, is a TERRIBLE trade off

  • Not leading Glimmora in standard Hyper Offense games is entirely wrong

  • Non-lead Glimmora is unviable

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ATP this feels like falling into the worm can of “but I want to use this unviable Pokémon”

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Which is like, okay sure, but this channel and server overall do not rate teams with this kind of concept

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It’s too late for me ngl

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And I have an airplane in 6 hours 😭

long dew
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and has poison and mud sot to stop opposing sweeper

ebon plume
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Then you’re bound to using a hyper offense oriented team

long dew
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i mean i kinda am

ebon plume
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Then why not build it to hyper offense

cinder fox
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And yea like

cinder fox
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glimm's role is as a suicide lead

ebon plume
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I get the concept but it’s unviable

long dew
ebon plume
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There are other mons with unique concepts that are also unviable

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Ok I’m not doing this

ebon plume
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I’ma dip

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People who ask for advice then spend 45 minutes rejecting it should unironically be infracted

long dew
ebon plume
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Yes

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!arbitraryrules

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Or whatever it was

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Chatot is asleep

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Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1030567099703242903

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for formats hosted on the Smogon forums, such as VGC and OU.

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ebon plume
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Nvm

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Yea there you go

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if you're gonna ask for feedback in this channel then get all defensive when someome does give feedback

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then dont ask for a rate

long dew
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pigbeef recommended mud shot to the team and yeah thats a good recommendation and doesnt literally change my entire team ill use that

ebon plume
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That is literally what raters are told and told again to do when a team is deemed unviable

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Straight up

long dew
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worrywhirl well then im not 'getting defensive over feedback' im defensive because my team is called entirely unviable when its been successful as far as I can discern

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its not like im bringing gimmick picks or gimmick sets (out side of ho-oh if u consider it that) all the mons are ranked in viability rankings and every set is similar to or straght up a top 3 usage set

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but ty for takin the time to humor me after ur flight furina fan

manic scroll
# long dew yeah but your feedback no offense has been replacing half the team and 'use a sa...

Please see rule 4 of the RMT rules #1030567099703242903 message. If a rater is suggesting that you either replace most of the team or use a sample rather than what you're going with, then your combination of mons and the sets they have probably don't make for a viable team at high level play. I'm not suggesting your team wasn't made with the intent to be competitive, or that it doesn't perform on ladder. If you're fine with what you have for where you play, then that's great, but this isn't the space you're looking for if you're not willing to have it optimized for higher levels of play.

devout urchin
long dew
devout urchin
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And you probably shouldn't give serperior any attack IVs

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By the way its always better the put the remaining 4 EVs in special defense rather than hp

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you want your hp to be an odd number so passive damage gets rounded down and you take less damage

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And special defense is better than defense because then the porygon line gets an attack boost instead of special attack (on the off chance you run into a porygon user with download)

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but it doesnt really matter that much tbh

devout urchin
devout urchin
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We dont do this here

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Take this team and scrap it

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Ubers ladder is famously bad, and the low ladder is hell.

devout urchin
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It has counters to meta mons too

rose cargo
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Also, choice scarf koraidon shreds your team

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This does NOT counter the meta

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The meta is eternatus scarf koraidon lando arceus formes zacian-c and more

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Oh yeah, speaking of arceus formes they just wipe your team

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Arceus-ground used Dragon dance!

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Or the classic Ekiller

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Or iron defense + calm mind arceus fairy

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😭🙏💀

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My guy, just get a sample team

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This aint winning versus a serious squad

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Dont even get me started on cakyrex ice rider

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Or lunala on webs

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Or agility eternatus

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Or zacian-c

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Or necrozma dusk fraud even

devout urchin
devout urchin
devout urchin
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A team that I enjoy using is much better than a team that's good, but I dislike

rose cargo
devout urchin
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Serperior oneshots with dragon pulse at +2 SpA

rose cargo
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@cinder fox

Mr President? Please help...

rose cargo
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Bruh it's a build I find fun, and that wins most of the matches I play

If I find another build that I like, doesn't just spam legendaries, and wins, I'll use that team

rose cargo
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This channel is for competitive teams only

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You are in a competitive server of a very much competitive community

devout urchin
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There are no other showdown channels I can find so eh

devout urchin
rose cargo
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If you REALLY want some no legend spam ahh teams play stall

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Its glorious

devout urchin
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Mostly joined bc I was expecting somewhat friendly people, and advice that isn't just "throw legendaries at them until you win" lol

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Like I find in matches

rose cargo
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We are not throw legendaries at the until you win

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We are actually learn how to make good sets and win

devout urchin
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But like I just cannot understand the mindset of all of you, you are playing the tier meant for all of these overpowered mons

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Plus, being listed as Ubers doesn't make you viable in Ubers

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Scake shot koraidon cleaves all day long

devout urchin
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Since it hits 4-5 times, that's 4-5 rage fist charges

rose cargo
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Because why would you wanna risk missing?

devout urchin
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So it's a gamble but it ends well for me most of the time lol

rose cargo
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Who the hell scale shots first turn on free setup

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252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Scale Shot (5 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera Steel Annihilape: 165-200 (45.5 - 55.2%) -- approx. 61.7% chance to 2HKO

After a swords dance even tera steel isn't guaranteed to live

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But I would not scale shot since tera fairy is everywhee

devout urchin
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Ill probably try one of the basic builds, but if I don't enjoy it I'll just make a new team

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Volcarona is a favourite for me to use tho, generally one of my fav mons and setting up one or 2 qdances then fiery dance goes hard

rose cargo
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New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @steep tulip, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rose cargo
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Sorry for the ping this isnt a rate

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I am just showing somebody a team false alarm, though if you guys are willing to help with the other mess feel free

devout urchin
rose cargo
devout urchin
rose cargo
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If this team is miserable then yours would be stepping on a lego

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I cannot even begin to comprehend the minds of casual players

devout urchin
rose cargo
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Anyways, a competitive servers has no place for fun teams unless you are some poketuber meming on high ladder

rose cargo
devout urchin
rose cargo
devout urchin
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And what rating is considered high ladder?

rose cargo
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Yeah, my favorite ghost type is calyrex-shadow, my favorite normal type is arceus

rose cargo
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However, I measure by the elo of your opponent

devout urchin
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No wonder