Ubers

[viscid apex]

right

[viscid apex]

final check on my team, again still need geniune advice for making teams in Ubers
https://pokepast.es/c576601c09592c39

[rose cargo]

you need wild charge on zacian and drop one of the stabs

or else Ho-Oh walls you

[viscid apex]

oh right

what else I can change?

[rose cargo]

uh that we will hafta wait for the raters to come, if they ever do.

[viscid apex]

kk, is it okay if I ping one of them?

[rose cargo]

idk... some of they are happy to help

[viscid apex]

kk

[real hound]

Made a team give me tips please to improve it

[rose cargo]

Use actual Uber tier mons

Koraidon miraidon necrozma dusk mane kyogre arceus and more

[rose cargo]

Also, wrong format and everything, Z crystals are not in SV so I assume this is natdex

Also, use pokepaste

[median plinth]

https://pokepast.es/fd454cfd2b73323c Is the gen 9 ubers team good? I accept suggestions (I'm not going to use miraidon max 3 legendaries)

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Max 3 legendaries

Bro you are playing Ubers

Why put a restriction like that on yourself

You technically can drop miraidon but still

Still, arbitrary rules

[real hound]

Aight thanks im making a new one now

[rose cargo]

Being tiered as Ubers doesn’t make it viable

Just so you know

[real hound]

K

[viscid apex]

https://pokepast.es/d63ed3f7319dbaa3 posting this team again, for the raters this time ofc

again, looking for genuine advice for making teams in Ubers.

[real hound]

Untitled 10

https://pokepast.es/15e0e50fbc9ed480

I won 2 games so far with this team @rose cargo

[rose cargo]

💀

What is this

This is horrible

Physical archaludon and unviable stuff in general

What is ambipom doing in Ubers my man

[real hound]

fake out technician and silk scarf

Also i thought arch was a better physical i’ll fix that

[rose cargo]

Arch is just bad

Replace everything with better mons please, the only viable mon here is glimmora and maybe bundle

And calm mind rocky helmet volcarona is something

I’ll tell you, you will get completely owned by scale shot koraidon and others

Koraidon commonly runs Tera ghost too

For ekiller

[real hound]

aight i’ll fix it

[rose cargo]

I suggest for you to look at the sample teams first

They give you a good idea of what a good and viable team looks like

[real hound]

K

https://pokepast.es/70dcd2bda36344d4

Im only using torkal to help fluttermane

[rose cargo]

You don’t need torkoal, you have koraidon already

Also, HO is usually not good with choice items

For all the mons you are using, use the smogon stratdex sets

And for Galarian moltres and torkoal, remove them entirely, they are completely unviable

[real hound]

K is torkoal good still?

K

[rose cargo]

No, it’s completely outclassed

[real hound]

i mistook koraidon like primal groudon and though its weather was removed when switching out

[jovial kindle]

https://pokepast.es/8859e21004748ad7

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

let's see

aite we're gonna need an explanation

[jovial kindle]

I use dondozo to wall against pokemon like zacian and calyrex-ice

But perhaps theres better options

[jovial kindle]

Any pokemon in particular or just, the whole team..?

[steep tulip]

particularly looking at the following things: Adamant Koraidon with Tera Blast instead of Iron head, specially defensive Dondozo, red card on arceus, solgaleo periodt, modest on skymin, meteor beam fat glimmora

[jovial kindle]

Aight
For koraidon I just didn't know it got iron head, and I haven't found many scenarios where the 405 speed would've been faster than an opposing mon, although maybe it's still worth the change.

Dondozo I had also used to stall against certain special mons when I did not have another option against them, but maybe isn't worth it compared to helping against the threats I was actually more worried about so I'll change that.

The arceus seemed to reliably survive at least one hit against a lot of different mons and the red card was helping against difficult match ups, able to clear out stat changes, and sometimes giving a free set up turn, but if there's a better option I’m willing to change that.

Shaymin with the scarf seems to reliably outspeed anything I was worried about without needing the additional speed investment.

Glimmora seemed to be able to dish out some decent damage with the meteor beam but if there's a better option I’m willing to change it

And I’m unfortunately unsure what you mean by solgaleo periodt

The additional hp investment in the shaymin sometimes allows it to survive at least one hit which in many scenarios is all I need

Two of the main threats against my team are miraidon and fluttermane which I struggle to beat without using a tera

[steep tulip]

OK basically the point of things like Jolly Koraidon etc is so that you always at worse tie mons like opposing Korai, Miraidon, Chien-Pao etc

scarf skymin COULD be useful but you always need to remember that you're slower than any other common scarfer in the tier (korai/miraidon specifically, also leaves you slower than +2 DD NDM I am pretty sure)

I ask about solgaleo @jovial kindle bc NDM is almost a direct upgrade in every way

the baseline isn't bad per se but the sets won't get you too far

[shut skiff]

Uber (Gen 9)

• Viability Rankings
• Sample Teams
• Set Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Simple Questions and Answers Thread
• Ubers Discord
• Pokemon Showdown Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[steep tulip]

if you check our sample teams, we have teams centered around glimmora and ekiller arceus so you can see how others are building them and having success

[jovial kindle]

I see

The main reason I’ve used solgaleo is because I just find running flame charge fun, especially when boosted by korai's sun

But yeah I’ll probably change that then

[jovial kindle]

But even with shaymin being max speed, wouldn't it still be slower than the other scarfers?

So the scarf is mainly there to outspeed other non scarfed mons, because korai/mirai would still outspeed, so I don't understand why I would run a +speed nature

https://pokepast.es/159a012b810ede1e

I made some changes

[steep tulip]

you still don't have a reliable way to beat Miraidon unfortunately which runs over your whole team

best case scenario is chipping it with ekiller and then winning a speed-tie with Koraidon

also you have naive natures on a couple of stuff like Koraidon/Glimm

since you have mostly offensive mons, I'd honestly try and cut your losses and not use a defensive mon; an Arceus Ground instead of ekiller and a Zacian-C over the Dondozo might do you wonders

Skymin isn't exactly fantastic but it doesn't really have an analogue lol

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/uber/

sets from the link above are tried and tested :)

[jovial kindle]

Is there any other mons besides arceus ground that may do good against miraidon?

Thanks so much for your help by the way!

[steep tulip]

no problem; there's a bunch of more situational answers but I picked groundceus because it's a fast ground-type that checks mirai that also isn't a complete sink of progress

theoretically, you don't need it; ekiller can check miraidon to an extent if you also have a way to kill it later ala zacian-c

but at the same time, you still need a way to switch into electro drift

one that doesn't get immediately OHKOed by draco meteor, that is

[crude turtle]

i think you can justify ada korai on some structures like webs

but this isnt one oft hsoe

one alternate suggestion is just swapping some teras around like ground on ndm or on arc

[crude turtle]

for this i'd really just drop this dozo here, its HO typa build so you'd just rather have another breaker like use your ndm (which should softcheck both) paired with tera, or caly, or mirai (ekiller with tera too)

etcd

https://pokepast.es/d89d19311a9bc1c5

u could prob get by with this

i think LO is better than ebelt on korai

idk why u put on stomping but i assume its for dirge

and if so, you need lo to guarantee the OHKO w stomping after a cc fail

prob want close combat > collision

also i'd say you want healing wish on shaymin ye

https://pokepast.es/fd198a4089f87975

[jovial kindle]

Oh, I'd never considered that, that's a good idea

Thank you

[jovial kindle]

Yeah skeledirge and it's also helped check mirai and honestly a lotta others

[crude turtle]

Yea see

Close combat with LO jsut ohkos mirai

You don’t need to use it at all

[jovial kindle]

I see

[crude turtle]

But

It’s nice for dirge

[jovial kindle]

I’ve also been able to para zacian with arceus when ive ran out of other options in which case the stomping tantrum is helpful, and against other steel types, but idk maybe it isn't the best choice

[crude turtle]

Yea I don’t think you want that

U really need the attack

I’d recommend Tera fire on korai if ur worried abt that

U can emergency Tera it

[jovial kindle]

Tera fire over flare blitz?

Oh wait you didn't mean tera blast

You just said tera

Or do you mean tera fire + flare blitz over tantrum?

[crude turtle]

no

i just mean tera fire on korai

wait

u have no flare blitz

yea you dont need iron head

that shit does nothing

it hits fairyceus weaker than flare blitz anyways

[viscid apex]

https://pokepast.es/b107dc447a433c33

[crude turtle]

This is fine, consider taunt or pshot on glimm but that’s rly it

[steep tulip]

(he means grimmsnarl)

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[viscid apex]

lmao

[viscid apex]

in place of what move tho?

[crude turtle]

Spirit break

[viscid apex]

Righty

[mystic anchor]

https://pokepast.es/2a0e65b948370a3d testing was decent, but as aways
thoughts?
and a question, vs an xerneas yveltal team, what do i do? i mean, with any team

this one i put sash marshadow to be sure, but dn still

[lime prairie]

don't use sash marsh, it never works how you'd want it to. You're better off using life orb either 4a or bulk up

this kinda team is on paper fine if you make it defensive ogre and a better marsh, it just has an inherent flaw all double ghost teams run into

where it just doesn't have enough staying power

and soft checks to your big breakers overlap

not bad as a 6 tho just difficult to make work in some mu's, especially less common ones like zekrom

the typical last on yvel ndm etern marsh caly is a ground (almost always lando-t) for stuff like that

since it both covers physical threats and frees up ndm to run setup instead of stealth rock

overall tho I'd say the 6 can be used to decent success with just the small set tweaks to cm ogre and offensive marsh, but it's worth trying out a different 6th mon depending on which 2 others you wanna keep the most especially if you find certain mu's hard that you run into

[mystic anchor]

Staying power? That's a new term for me lmao. Wym?

[mystic anchor]

mu's?

[mystic anchor]

I got kinda lost, maybe its my english
But by what i understood, double ghost is bad & i should change it

Sorry for that lmao
But straight to the point, marsha is there more for an extra than anything, he can chip eterna, yveltal, which is cool, but meh, setup sweepers scary me in this tier lmao

And the main goal of the team ofc was caly-s, the demon of this tier, and, doesnt caly specs w/ogre scarf makes a really strong ofensive core? As one can cripple the other threats, and the opp team overall?

[lime prairie]

Staying power just means how long a team can last in a game

Before getting taken down

Either by getting swept or chipped down

[lime prairie]

Matchups

[mystic anchor]

gotcha

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lime prairie]

It has some good mons, you could probably make a decent offense build with just the first 3, but the last 3 don’t fit there. Tusk is pretty much just unviable, and dirge / chansey only work on stall where chansey is also entirely outclassed by blissey

You have to decide if you wanna take this team in a more offensive or a more balanced direction

On smth offensive you can keep the first 4 and maybe switch up sets a bit then go from there, for smth more defensive I wouldn’t use more than just miraidon and caly then pick better supporting mons

[steel burrow]

Ello, anyone here?

[strange kelp]

How good is this team?
(Im not the best at pvp)

[lime prairie]

If you wanna send a team use pokepaste so we can see sets too, but in ubers that 6 would be unviable

Only ray and bliss are really even usable and they only fit on specific team structures

[hardy hazel]

https://pokepast.es/5060b3026464649d I'm trying to build around electric seed agility cm miraidon. Is there anything I should fix?

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

lots of stuff to fix, first of all, double dance mirai is mostly on hyper offense and screens teams. also, explain your ev spreads, some of them make no sense at all.

bundle is a niche pick to say the least, and does not fit on a team like this

ting lu wants max spdef to actually do the job it was meant to do, be a temporary check to miraidon.

idk about this fairyceus spread, max speed is almost never ran in the current meta, and you dont have enough bulk to check koraidon, the main reason you use it.

that zacian spread is extremely jank, like why wouldnt you run max attack?

maybe you got inspired by the bulky zacian of swsh vgc but these days are over

and you are gonna want wild charge to be able to beat ho-oh

but anyways if you want to use double dance miraidon i recommend screens or HO

[crude turtle]

Honestly

This team is fine

Just make zacian more normal

And make ting lu spdef

And ur fine

Oh and boots bundle

[rose cargo]

spdef with the right item too, like boots or lefties

[stark cloud]

https://pokepast.es/0e19293f6c9794ae

built this for the mirai suspect, was wondering what changes should be made to make it a good team?

the idea was ditto + t spikes and caly-i for additional speed control.

[cinder fox]

looks fine, would really just switch groundceus to demon fairyceus

[stark cloud]

Thanks

[cinder fox]

or well

maybe not demon specifically but a cm fairy fs

cm taunt is prolly fine but if you wanna go demon fairy that works too

[stark cloud]

thanks!

[royal badge]

Is this a good team for gen 9 ?

[rose cargo]

first of all, no. not at all is this any good. you have arceus koraidon miraidon kyogre ndm etc but decided to forgo all the best mons and go use low tier mons instead for some reason. second of all use pokepaste. third tell us what are you trying to build with this and why did you choose to forgo all the best mons in the tier like koraidon?

the 3 words that best describe this is that EVERYTHING is wrong.

[royal badge]

I didint wanna use legendary

[rose cargo]

Isn’t that the biggest point you play Ubers? 💀💀💀

[viscid apex]

Is it because of Temp6t?

[rose cargo]

Temp6t isn’t a bad player by any means, in fact he is a very good competitive AG player who uses good shit

Anyways that response almost gave me a heart attack

[royal badge]

Idk who dat is but uh sure

[royal badge]

Well then how do I get a better team because I've done some battles with the current one and the pokemon that's been not good is magnezone

[viscid apex]

“Legendary spammer” remember that?

[royal badge]

Yup it's him then I always say legendary spammer when somone has like 5 legendarys in there team

[rose cargo]

Is bro being serious rn? Because I seriously don’t think you are serious rn

[rose cargo]

Koraidon miraidon arceus etc

Right there

[royal badge]

Idfk what you guys are talking about I started yesterday I'm still learning

[rose cargo]

The legendary spammers mindset is like a huge red flag

We are playing competitive Pokémon here

Hey that mindset outta there

Get*

[royal badge]

Ok

[rose cargo]

Also, use pokepaste so the bot will work

[royal badge]

Ok I will ty

[viscid apex]

Exactly, reject running niche sets, embrace legendary supremacy.

[rose cargo]

Embrace meta supremacy

[viscid apex]

Exactly, don’t listen to Temp6t and keep being a “legendary spamming” pro

[rose cargo]

Ironically temp is actually a really good player who plays Ubers and AG normally with legendaries

[ebon plume]

This

People ignore the fact that Temp is well aware that his YT teams suck and he does it for the content

He never intended to spread it as the "new meta"

He never intended anything with it tbh, he does it for his yt channel and nothing else

[long quiver]

https://pokepast.es/12e09e43cd9f08f6

Is this a good team

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Ok, first of all this isn’t how offensive eternatus is played, lorb Etern isn’t really viable rn as it is outclassed by miraidon in this category.
Offensive ddance ndm only fits on HO nowadays.
Zacian Needs wild charge or else you are walled by ho-oh and due to the nerfs to intrepid sword you really want swords dance.

Scarf kyogre is technically usable, tho I would not recommend

And you forgot to set a Tera type for everybody

For more wait for the raters

[long quiver]

What set should i run on ndm

[long quiver]

And what should i replace scarf for

Also what do i replace eternatus for 😭

[rose cargo]

I’d say miraidon, before it gets banned that is.

Koraidon and arceus-ground would probably fit pretty well here

Because your team has no good way to deal with the bikes

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/7cb6dd18310055df

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder fox]

make the arc more physdef then it should be fine

[steep tulip]

miraidon banned in 3 days

enjoy it while it lasts

[cinder fox]

altho i personally think scarf ogre and boots mirai work better here

[opaque parrot]

last time i played ubers was back when mirai was suspected..

had no idea it was being suspected again tbh

[cinder fox]

yea

[opaque parrot]

voted ban tho.

hmm so i probably shouldnt be building yet

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/750b50fc280b0312

hard trickroom, i know i am MU fishing but i wanna make this better

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Idk if you guys rate stuff like this but can somebody help?

[steep tulip]

drop seed bomb on caly-i make it trick it can come up or at least icicle spear for sub mons (ladder special)

discard the lunala it nevers comes up I'd do an ekiller w/ hwish or a groundceus

means you get one of your breakers back in again at full

and that's it it's a gimmick you know what you're getting into

[rose cargo]

Yay

Thank you very much

[rose cargo]

Tho, what set specifically? Mental herb? Or maybe a trickroom one?

Or mental herb trickroom?

[steep tulip]

no need for mherb it's ladder you do surprise factor

can be an otherwise normal ekiller or can be TR

[rose cargo]

Hm k

[rose cargo]

Hm, I want it to be a trickroom one, do I go max physdef with hwish tr or sth?

[steep tulip]

I am gonna be honest the only time i used this type of full-room cheese was with a max def waterceus when we had caly-s

so you're gonna have to experiment

[rose cargo]

Thanks

I’ll go with the ekiller for now

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/3f00bd9367785ecd

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opaque parrot]

not sure on last, this gets demolished by kyube

but ia lso dont know how good kyube is rn so

[twilit quiver]

how

[opaque parrot]

maybe im overreacting.

[twilit quiver]

u have scarf korai and zacian and an intim mon and arc water lives a hit always

[opaque parrot]

hm

true.

[tranquil talon]

Daddy (Garchomp) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Rough Skin
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Swords Dance
• Earthquake
• Iron Head

Slowking-Galar (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Curious Medicine
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Toxic
• Future Sight
• Chilly Reception
• Sludge Bomb

Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 164 Def / 96 Spe
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spikes
• Iron Defense
• Roost
• Body Press

Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 244 HP / 168 Def / 96 Spe
Impish Nature

• Knock Off
• Swords Dance
• Facade
• Protect

Kingambit (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Kowtow Cleave
• Sucker Punch
• Iron Head

Volcarona (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Def / 176 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Quiver Dance
• Flamethrower
• Morning Sun
• Will-O-Wisp

[twilit quiver]

!pokepaste

[shut skiff]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
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You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
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[tranquil talon]

oh mb, Im new here

[twilit quiver]

no worries

[tranquil talon]

how do I use that command

correctly

[twilit quiver]

the pictures show you

you just create a pokepaste of your team

which basically creates a shareable link of it

[tranquil talon]

oh I missed that

[tranquil talon]

https://pokepast.es/59218d4f186bb6cb

like this?

[twilit quiver]

mhm

[tranquil talon]

Do you have any advice on it?

[opaque parrot]

not sure how to put it not bluntly but, your team has basically no good mons for gen9 ubers

[tranquil talon]

What would you do to fix that?

wait, no way...

are you a Liverpool fan too?

Dom and Cody as your pfp

[opaque parrot]

well i wouldve said to maybe check samples but we just got a mon banned so the samples arent updated

[opaque parrot]

✅

not the channel to discuss tho sorry

but yeah your team is lacking good mons in the format

so like

arceus formes koraidon hooh etc to give you an idea

[tranquil talon]

alr, what channel has the samples that you mentioned a sec ago

[opaque parrot]

the samples aren't updated now cause the meta got a huge shift but they are still probably good enough to give you some help to figure it out

lemme find link

[tranquil talon]

alr thanks

[opaque parrot]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-sample-teams.3736089/

nd also https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings.3724082/unread

but again they arent updated yet either cause of that ban

[tranquil talon]

thanks anyways

[opaque parrot]

np

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/d2360a19e9fd0e65

so much for trying to make that gimmick TR work, I didn’t even get to use it : Anyways idef arc water is funny as hell, just stonewalls ndm, ice rider, Zac, and pretty much everything physical after an idef.

However they keep using eternatus as an entry point for zac and it’s a huge pain in my ass.

Is it team issue or skill issue?

If it’s skill issue can somebody educate me on how to deal with HO Zac?

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Cuz HO keeps cooking me with me not having whirlwind users

But bulky teams cook me if I don’t have Sub Ho-Oh

(And sub Ho-Oh is funny and cool)

[viscid apex]

Help, with the Miraidon ban, my team is in shambles, what do I do???
https://pokepast.es/117ad086b5baa111

[rose cargo]

First step is to take out miraidon

Next you can replace it with sth like arc electric

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/7704ed8d7c54e6b0

HO with koraidon zacian and calyrex-ice and shit farms the hell outta me,

[shut skiff]

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[rose cargo]

if this is skill issue tell me how what do i actually lead vs glim lmao

and everything else

the tournament ill be playing this in will probably have a lot of teams like this

[cinder fox]

couple things i have to say

one i think lunala is stronger than lando here tbh

[rose cargo]

👀

ooooooooooo

[cinder fox]

not big on this etern set

flame prolly better than tspikes

since lots of teams are running etern tspikes isn't getting much value usually

[rose cargo]

hm

[rose cargo]

yay, that means i dont have to grab a lando from swsh now

(and yes, I did testing with this team on the actual game dont ask why)

[cinder fox]

rocks > roar fairy imo

hm actually

[rose cargo]

how do i deal with ice rider then

roar beats sub Ho-Oh asw

[cinder fox]

i feel like a lot of issues with this 6 are solvable with like

waterceus > fairyceus

[rose cargo]

that gives me an idea....

https://pokepast.es/ad92bb71eebb0af7

[rose cargo]

hmmmmmmm can lunala still fit here? the set is filler for now

[cinder fox]

you want lando

[rose cargo]

o

[cinder fox]

since no fairy

you need it to stave off zac short term

and help with korai

[rose cargo]

awesome

[velvet dome]

https://pokepast.es/1737fc2ddcff0c6d

[rose cargo]

Bruva this is for Ubers not monotype

[viscid apex]

https://pokepast.es/4e8b4eb65e30336b

still looking for a replacement for Miraidon

[rose cargo]

The closest thing we have is arceus-electric

However

You can also try offensive ddance duskmane

[unreal aspen]

https://pokepast.es/bd80b0917ac962e0

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[unreal aspen]

damn so many ubers guys

i built this first ubers team lol

[steep tulip]

OK let's see

you don't wanna have edge on NDM here it gives you absoluteluy nothing when EQ/Knock provide so much more utility

you also probably wanna do the modest or timid max max

prolly timid

(on ogre)

I'd probably also not use gira-o cause it's just not very good atm

you could do with a special wall, something like ting-lu; while miraidon is gone ting-lu still provides a ton of utility through being a whirlwind user + volt switch absorber (just in case)

also it keeps stuff like CM arceus more honest especially when terra'd

unfortunately, this does mean I'd like to see tera ghost on korai

purely for ekiller

[unreal aspen]

oh i see

okay

i used gira cuz of defog

[ebon plume]

Sorry about the ping but why is gira not good atm?

Feels like its the only usable defogger around

[steep tulip]

defoggers in general feel bad in this metagame

you always give a lot of opportunities to your opponent to just swing the game in their favor and most teams get a max of 2 layers up (gliscor non-withstanding girl is freefalling in the VR)

• a ton of mons rn that aren't named specifically arceus are on hdb

this DOES include koraidon

[viscid apex]

hey, can you rate my team next?

[opaque parrot]

i think ive posted this before but https://pokepast.es/abf9e4e361cd1757 ndm has felt like such a sitting duck, and this feels pretty weak into dd ndm sometimes, maybe i could replace ndm but idk

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[steep tulip]

sure

[viscid apex]

I'm looking for a replacement for miraidon since it got banned and some team advice
https://pokepast.es/4e8b4eb65e30336b

[steep tulip]

listen man, it's obvious you're not the most familiar with the metagame so please do not give advice pertaining to the tier; especially so if you even mention Arceus-Electric without the words "don't use" in the same sentence or immediately following

[steep tulip]

the most immediately similar Pokemon to the way Miraidon would wanna fit on such a team is offensive Eternatus. You keep a check to Koraidon that forces 50-50 with its Tera typing (I don't think you should use tera fairy to block Scale Shot or Outrage btw) and can setup with Agility and sweep

that being said! you have 2 leads in Grimmsnarl and Glimmora

which requires a lot of burden of execution in the mid-high ladder (1450-1580)

I think you could find a lot of success with replacing one of those two with something like DD Arceus Ground

or you could try and keep them both and do a bulky-ish CM Arceus such as ground; or ghost, or experiment with something else like Waterceus

(waterceus I do not recommend, offensive double dance sets are kinda meme-y)

[steep tulip]

can you tell me why you've chosen 0 progress NDM and bulky etern

[opaque parrot]

needed to fit a rocker and bulky etern just cause i can suffer into ogre and such

but im more than happy to drop ndm or at least change it

maybe even like fit rocks or spikes on gliscor? dunno

[steep tulip]

you could lowkey do t-spikes on gliscor and try and make progress through that

you have two knock off users

[opaque parrot]

hmm

[steep tulip]

a dtailer

[opaque parrot]

so

[steep tulip]

and Koraidon is bound to force progress

[opaque parrot]

tspike glsicor and then

bulky knock ndm

?

[viscid apex]

Its tricky to pick which one I should replace

Glimm is good because it's a defacto lead and can set up hazards
Grimm is good because of screens and prankster twave

[steep tulip]

also I'd probably do a status move on this waterceus lol

willo or t-wave

[opaque parrot]

hm

[steep tulip]

CM is kinda... OK I suppose? but maybe not here

[opaque parrot]

okay sure

[steep tulip]

feel free to experiment. the only one stopping you is yourself and practice makes perfect

I don't wanna impose a change to THAT degree

[viscid apex]

kk

[steep tulip]

we can also always follow up if you are still struggling

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/5baa9ae708438c65

liket his perhaps

[steep tulip]

I am honestly a bit out of it when it comes to this type of gliscor team

like, I am looking at it and can't find a clear weakness but I also feel that something is askew

[opaque parrot]

yeah thats what i feel

something feels off

[stark cloud]

Is dragon tail etern real in this tier?

[rose cargo]

its usable ig

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/304f9779a68c9b07

Can someone check my team out

Reached 1300+ with it

[potent hound]

Is anyone there

[rose cargo]

close combat over sacred sword

wait a sec

what team structure are you looking for?

[potent hound]

I don't know what that is ngl

I just make a team that works and it works

[rose cargo]

basically HO, bulky offense, stall, balance etc

[potent hound]

It's kind of balanced I'd say

[rose cargo]

for balance you will probably need speed control

[potent hound]

I always lead with deoxys

[rose cargo]

a good defensive core and stuff

[rose cargo]

dedicated leads + HO

dedicated leads =HO

if thats the kind of game plan u wanna keep

[potent hound]

Oh then I guess you could say it's hyper offense?

[rose cargo]

ok, if you are going HO then drop the defensive cores.

and replace fairyceus with with ekiller or ddance groundceus

[potent hound]

Mmmm, idk what to replace them with

Fairyceus is like my check against koraidon

[rose cargo]

then give deoxys hazards

and probably taunt maybe

[potent hound]

Alrighty thanks

[rose cargo]

or just take out deo-A and replace with deo-S

[potent hound]

Okkk

[rose cargo]

and go with the standard smogdex sets for them

close combat over sacred sword for zacian, low kick over collison course for koraidon then remove giratina

defog is a huge momentum sink for HO

tldr, standard HO is a dedicated suicide hazard lead + 5 sweepers

if you are thinking of building any other HO in most other tiers thats what it usually is

however after these changes its probably still better towait for more advice from more people

[manic lichen]

Can anybody help me with a good volcarona set?
Special attacker but at the same time not too frail
Thanks in advance

[opaque parrot]

Is eleceus actually that bad or does it have any niche

[steep tulip]

no point in using volcarona in Ubers it gets run over too easily and gets next to no setup opportunities

maybe try it in UUbers I got no clue what it does there but it's surely better

[steep tulip]

every arceus has a niche and eleceus is no exception; I don't care to discover the one team in each metagame that forces 2/10 players to have an aneurysm

is a strong electric-type good now that people are off of 2 grounds every team? yes

do you still lose to every single ground-type and koraidon still? also yes

[opaque parrot]

Oh yeah koraidon eats it up

Maybe smth like wisp mono judgement perhaps

[steep tulip]

if you do that you're asking for something like etern to setup on you lol

[opaque parrot]

Oh right

[steep tulip]

or for the rare(r) ting-lu to get 3 layers up

[opaque parrot]

Unfortunate

[steep tulip]

or to lose to gliscor altogether

[opaque parrot]

Ye makes sense ok

[royal mist]

https://pokepast.es/e2604a908f8bb9bb

just wanna make a team to destroy my friends

[steep tulip]

100% wrong format lol

[royal mist]

wait

wat

[steep tulip]

if you're gonna use 1 "restricted" pokemon to do in-game battles

then might as well pick the best option and do calyrex-s

steamroll your friends and call it a day

[royal mist]

ok

[steep tulip]

but this channel is supposed to be for smogon tiering, Ubers in particular. arbitrary rules makes it much more difficult to make suggestions and edits because of lack of good faith and deeper knowledge of the pool

[royal mist]

ok

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/ad5fe2e4a986e0b3 i really want to use cb korai with some pivot of some kind but i couldnt decide on a last

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[opaque parrot]

maybe make the arc fairy sr and some other last

probably more viable but idk

[hot geyser]

Miraidon the goat banned

[opaque parrot]

couldmake it uh

scarf lando

not groundy

[somber burrow]

https://pokepast.es/00795b0ec10aff12

i stole this team

is it good

[rose cargo]

Wanna know who built this team?

#1059901370477576272 message

[somber burrow]

Lol W

why is koraidon tera ghost instead of fire though

normal and fighting hardly threaten koraidon

[rose cargo]

To block espeed from arceus

The times we click Tera fire isn’t very often

Because Tera fire makes you weak to rocks and flare blitz damage racks up

Anyways, the changes suggested for me were to replace fairyceus with waterceus

[somber burrow]

How do I pilot your taem

i got no clue what im doing with it

[hardy hazel]

https://pokepast.es/9288d715b05f0e94

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[rose cargo]

Zest Ho-Oh is bad

Just go standard offensive if you want offensive

Cuz no koraidon is gonna wanna take a brave bird anyways

[rose cargo]

Ok, basically lemme explain what does each member do

Ho-Oh here forgoes maximum defensive investment for a more offensive spread, and substitute allows it to set up sub on bulkier teams and click its attacks more freely

It is great against most stall teams bar garg stall

Even against more offensive teams you can try to lead it and catch the opposing lead off guard or get a free sub on koraidon clicking U turn.

However against kyogre teams it’s also possible they will lead that too

I think It’s better to not clog this place up dm me if you want more

[somber burrow]

Whats eternatus for? He feels really clunky and unnecessary

[rose cargo]

Kyogre check

[somber burrow]

he only helps in niche situations e.g. when koraidon sets sun so he resists kyogre

yeah he checks kyogre but aren't there better kyogre checks

[rose cargo]

And support arc checks

[somber burrow]

whats support arc?

[rose cargo]

Defensive arceus formes like fairy and water

[somber burrow]

whats fairyceus do

I just pull him out when im scared of koraidon

or any dragon type

[rose cargo]

Best koraidon check that is a real mon

I gtg for a bit

[somber burrow]

Alr

[opaque parrot]

flutter and deoa look super out of place, also you seem to be lacking concrete answers into stuff like groundyceus and others

well flutter is just outright bad in general

[cinder fox]

scarf korai > scale korai, more standard kyogre > scarf ogre, full physdef ho-oh > this set, fairyceus > ekiller, defensive lando > deoa

and i'd personally say balloon gambit > flutter

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/4f231ebac0f426d4

i am attemping hazard stack, the last team was good but i couldnt get past stall, the most glorious playstyle.

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[rose cargo]

i just feel like i could not reasonably cover everything

[cinder fox]

why is this ndm rocks

you have a perfectly good fairyceus right there

[rose cargo]

got inspired by SS

o

i just liked roar fairy

[cinder fox]

you want ddance ndm on these teams

literally always

[rose cargo]

also, they say eleceus is mid but i get farmed

rip

[cinder fox]

eleceus is good

and you have exactly one check to it

which isn't even that great of a check tbh

[rose cargo]

i met tera poison eleceus

[cinder fox]

that said i can work with this

[rose cargo]

and got cooked

so rocks > roar?

[cinder fox]

that first off

[rose cargo]

oh and zac, that is kinda cooking me

[cinder fox]

and defensive dd ndm > this set

this ho-oh should 100% be defensive

you can't be relying entirely on fairyceus to check korai

esp on teams like this that are prone to needing to deal with a million hazards

[rose cargo]

hmmmmm

ho-oh was using this set So i dont get owned by stall, but i guess knock and hazrads beat it?

[cinder fox]

there's a couple other changes i have in mind to help

taunt glisc is already a massive pain for stall

dtail > tspikes on etern, tspikes is midmid bc etern is so common

[rose cargo]

man Im gonna have so much fun tryna build this in game

[cinder fox]

dtail just provides more value than tspikes

allows you phaze cm arcs when backed by toxic

[rose cargo]

hm

lets hope i can get the turns right on zac

thanks

[cinder fox]

something else i'd suggest

this is personal preference but

flying on ndm

helps alleviate the groundy and zac weaknesses

[rose cargo]

lemme try it out

[cinder fox]

i think i'd also go for wisp > twave on fairyceus

but that's just me

[rose cargo]

walled by tera fire stuff, how do you deal with them then

[cinder fox]

literally all tera fire users lose 1v1 to something here

[rose cargo]

koraidon?

[cinder fox]

can't scale vs fairy and gets revenged by your own

[rose cargo]

o

[cinder fox]

https://pokepast.es/77207c8daa794d70

changed team

[rose cargo]

also, calyrex-ice

just realized

[rose cargo]

Just got cooked by calyrex-ice, rip

Cooked by a B tier mon is crazy lmao

[unreal aspen]

deserved for calling calyrex b tier

[rose cargo]

oreo ranked it in B lol

[fallen dust]

https://pokepast.es/de5d8b84960c58bd
what to replace lu with?
also not 100% on the arceus either, i wanna make a more HO team

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[viscid apex]

https://pokepast.es/5bf24063cb4b60d9

[fading forge]

What are some cores I could build around(I’m new to Ubers)

[rose cargo]

if you wanna build HO you gotta scrap most of this team and rebuild entirely

HO is usually a suicide lead and 4-5 sweepers

[fallen dust]

I assume I keep the korai and zac and that’s basically it?

And get like glimmora

[rose cargo]

korai and zac should stay if you are building HO

its also possible to build HO with ndm but thats a bit more specific

and yeah, glim, deo and bee works as the leads

[fallen dust]

I guess my team rn is more balanced
In the current meta is it rlly worth building go?

Ho*

Ik the ting lu has to go

[rose cargo]

i mean, Ho is still good

[fallen dust]

It was quite litterally just there to deal with miraid

[rose cargo]

technically it also checks offensive eternatus and lunala

[fallen dust]

remind me what eternatus’s ability is

It’s pressure not levitate right

[rose cargo]

yes

i wish it was levitate

[fallen dust]

god forbid it was 😭

[jagged tartan]

https://pokepast.es/d54e971eb009e1b4
Wanted to build some sort of team around Groudon + Flutter Mane, but I'm not happy that my main way of getting through Ho-Oh (without Tera) is Toxic on Eternatus. I initially had Stone Edge on Groudon to give me another way to hit it, but that meant putting Stealth Rock on NDM and having to not run DD, giving me an awful stall matchup. I'm also not 100% sure about my means of dealing with SS Korai with Sticky Webs, so I'd like some advice about that.

[fallen dust]

yo, so im making a new team for HO now

[rose cargo]

Nice team you got there, We have not explored groudon much really, but one thing i am seeing right now is that I feel like you might get overwhelmed by a combination of offensive etern + scale korai + zac on webs...

[fallen dust]

for an ekiller arc, is there any use of using a diff type beyond normal?

[rose cargo]

(btw groudon is C+ rank on the VR rankings but that was before mirai got ejected)

[rose cargo]

ofc, fire, ghost...

[fallen dust]

i was thinking like ghsot

ok yea

so far this what i got

[rose cargo]

i suggest looking at the sample setson smogdex and the VR rankings

[fallen dust]

none of them are updated for the mirai ban

[rose cargo]

unlike other tiers where being ranked on the tier is usually an indication of viability, many mons listed as Ubers are not ubers viable.

[rose cargo]

some sets dont need updates

and urshifu is unviable regardless

[jagged tartan]

yeah that's why I figured it'd be better; the metagame looks to lean more physical because Miraidon is gone and Korai is the biggest threat

[fallen dust]

oh right this isnt vgc

[jagged tartan]

As well as the improvement of NDM and other stuff

[rose cargo]

By the way, Sub Ho-Oh looks really juicy into this

it can sub up on groudon and click buttons

and sinve you have two sun setters sun is gonna be up like alot

since*

if arc water goes down, which is quite likely later since it is tasked with checking both koraidon, zacian-crowned, calyrex-ice, ho-oh, and others...

Sub Ho-Oh will clap

[rose cargo]

also, did you face webs when testing the team?

[jagged tartan]

Yes

I lost 3 to ss korai and then got cleaned up soon after

[rose cargo]

and thats the source of the problem

webs HO overwhelms you pretty easily

[jagged tartan]

that was one of the reasons I came here

[rose cargo]

hmmm...

i think you can drop cm and go with some full utility arc

because zacian just sets up for free under the sun

and twave is really good into offensive teams

[jagged tartan]

I can do that

[rose cargo]

or, (This is just a set i like personally take it with a grain of salt) try iron defense wisp arc water, 6-0s physical spam

[fallen dust]

Arceus-Ground @ Life Orb
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Ghost

• Extreme Speed
• Shadow Claw
• Swords Dance
• Recover
  hows this arceus set?
  Im not really sure what to do in terms of tera/actual typing

i think this set works fine tho

[rose cargo]

oh wait i gtg

[jagged tartan]

I'll probably go twave

[rose cargo]

sorry guys

[fallen dust]

https://pokepast.es/478eed4f794fb974
new HO ubers team, thoughts?

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[fallen dust]

i might swap the deoxys set

[steep tulip]

cloak ndm wants recovery 100% I'd drop sunsteel personally

also because you're doing ekiller, you still wanna match the speed of other arceus just in case of boots and/or webs mirror

aka 56 Speed

(min)

but because you're not on dedge, why not silk scarf? you're not really getting kills w LO shadow claw lol

also big point here is to run jolly on scarf koraidon, always

you don't wanna lose to any other koraidon

final point: if u want double lead glimm is much, much better

[fallen dust]

good points yo

made the changes, appreciate

[fallen dust]

it wont let me hold anything else exccept a plate if thats what u mean

[steep tulip]

oh were you trying to do groundceus

lol

I just assumed you imported a bad name

[fallen dust]

oh woops

yea i did

though could ekillers be used on any other types?

[fallen dust]

could maybe life orb with recover work?

[steep tulip]

you'd be a normal type just double checking that you understand

[fallen dust]

yeah i get that

[steep tulip]

cause im at work

my reading skills are at -10

[fallen dust]

😂 join the club

[steep tulip]

but yeah recover can work

[fallen dust]

ah, speed boost?

[steep tulip]

if you face an opposing koraidon the last thing you wanna see is them at +1/scarf and you unable to kill them

lol

[fallen dust]

good point

that happened

also a dude used trick on my lead when i tried predicting and setting up on it and i got absolutely annihilated after

[steep tulip]

you learn the ins and outs of people's odd sets lol

[fallen dust]

yeah good point

[fallen dust]

do you think i should just remove double hazards or use double hazards

and turn my deoxys into hyper offense as well

[steep tulip]

man I am now realising you have 0 special attackers

I need to stop rating when I am at the office

do wild charge>play rough zacian for ho-oh, get a special sweeper over the deo-a prolly sth like meteor beam etern

[fallen dust]

could deoxys itself be used as a special

[fallen dust]

wait but i have morning sun on it already

[steep tulip]

check again

and no deo-a is not really a sweeper lol

check again on NDM*

link u posted is DD/double stab/knock

[fallen dust]

oh is it?

https://pokepast.es/77d3a31c61e49bdf
i changed it initially i think

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[fallen dust]

shit

sry for ping 😭

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National Dex Ubers (Gen 9)

• Sample Teams
• Teambuilding Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Good Cores
• Viability Rankings
• C&C Forum

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

National Dex AG (Gen 8)

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Overview

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[cursive nexus]

https://pokepast.es/11bb1b899f6d5fce is this good?

[opaque parrot]

that team gets ran over by koraidon

theres more but thats the main thing

[tidal acorn]

https://pokepast.es/ee2f601ffb2f274e
random normal mono team i made lol

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[steep tulip]

nothing to rate here

hf ig

[tidal acorn]

lmao

[rose cargo]

because you are playing mono in ubers.

we have mono

[white ravine]

https://pokepast.es/3235be9160094f33
i like to play unconventionally and i feel like sneasler is only good because of the surprise factor but i've gotten to 1500s with a 68.2% winrate with this team mostly unchanged

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[white ravine]

only thing i'd like to change is to optimise the evs

[lime prairie]

if you only want to change the evs then there's not much we can help you with, the team isn't good overall

it needs more fundamental changes than that

[rose cargo]

5 unviable mons mmmmm

[white ravine]

so you're saying its a hidden gem

[rose cargo]

Nope

They are just crappy stones

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/ba2abef97bccf024

I feel like taking a page outta SS Ubers again.

Btw I have a Ubers tour but on cart, this team is currently 95 percent finished.

Uh pls don’t mess with the evs too much because I’m running dry on stuff.

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Can helmet ndm work?

I am concerned with rocks because now it’s weak to rocks after Tera fire

I hope spike usage will go down with lu out of the picture

Mostly

Helmet ndm here is because I’m a bad player and always loses to webs + Tera fighting lmao

I’ll be glad to explain these strange looking EVs on some mons if you need.

But the main thing about this team is that I wanna make rocky helmet ndm work

Even tho it’s uhh not on the dex

(It’s also to beat random multi hit fake out spam and other link battles only bs but that’s completely besides the point)

If this team doesn’t need any changes tell me what threats to watch out for

Because I have been struggling with offensive eternatus

[opaque parrot]

honestly to me theres 0 reasoning behind needing this ndm to be helmet over boots

zac can just break u with spikes up

remember that gliscor is still a thing

[rose cargo]

Gliscor teams are usually easy food for sub Ho-Oh, and Zac isn’t a huge problem if it isn’t on webs.

[fallen dust]

how viable is a trick room team in gen 9 ubers?

[jagged tartan]

I'm not sure about an entire TR team

but offensive Trick Room Pokemon are viable

[fallen dust]

im assuming like caly ice

[jagged tartan]

yeah and NDM

[fallen dust]

how to build the rest of that team then?

im not really familiar with trick room stuff at all

[jagged tartan]

they don't have to be part of a full trick room team

like they are perfectly viable as standalone sets

[fallen dust]

oh, yea?

aight bet

[rose cargo]

full trickroom is a gimmick matchup fish into offensive teams lacking stuff like arc water for counterplay

works wonder vs the HO hell that is the ladder, but in reality it isnt really legit like the normal teams

[cyan tree]

https://pokepast.es/d55f48cc8730fdb1

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

Moltres is a strictly worse version of Ho-Oh if you don't get the flame body proc immediately

also 2HKOed by 4 hit scale shot

similarly, archaludon and terapagos see almost no play for a good reason: they're simply not worth running in most scenarios

this also lacks a concrete special wall, meaning something like CM Groundy can run through the whole team

or any special attacker, really

while not having the benefits of an HO that just steamrolls matchups

[cyan tree]

👍

Any other comments?

And I lowkey forgot about Ho Oh lol

Ill slap him on

What would you recommend for a special wall?

@steep tulip

[steep tulip]

I think you could benefit from a fairy type overall

[oblique talon]

is this also viable for OU https://pokepast.es/87ed56053d4d3ee6

[steep tulip]

and rocks too

so phys def arceus-fairy + ting-lu could be a solid combination

[cyan tree]

Alright I’ll try that

[steep tulip]

this is not viable in Ubers and we're not the OU rating channel

[oblique talon]

nice argument, unfortunately

252 Atk Choice Band Floatzel Wave Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned in Rain: 337-397 (103.6 - 122.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[cyan tree]

Crazy

[oblique talon]

but in all seriousness thank you for the rate

[cyan tree]

Why not sp.def arceus? Wasn’t no special wall the issue?

nvm

I got lost in the sauce

But an actual follow up: would I want to change dusk mane to a more offensive set?

[rose cargo]

Spdef arceus isn’t good compared to physdef, which will provide more value

Eternatus is probably a better spdef wall for many of the special threats

Kyogre, Lunala sometimes, cm arcs

[cyan tree]

👍

[rose cargo]

Spdef arceus was used for miraidon when it was legal

But it was a shit set otherwise

Also, Terapagos is trash

[cyan tree]

🥲

[rose cargo]

Necrozma just dances up in front of you and oneshots you with Sunsteel

Dark pulse does barely any damage

Sunsteel bypasses abilities

Same goes for photon geyser

[cyan tree]

Bro dusk mane has some banger ass names for signature moves

Photon Geyser?
Sunsteel Strike?
Light that Burns My Eyes?
Bangers bro

[rose cargo]

Btw check viability rankings and then redo ur team

[cyan tree]

Got it

[rose cargo]

If I can’t beat it then I join them I guess

https://pokepast.es/ca2a9da6f7f16c7e

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Idef cm arc fairy

I caved in, I need to try it out

The ev on fairy is uh placeholder

(Oh wait I forgot about speed control)

Uh let’s pretend that lando is korai

Oh wait then I won’t have hazards

Rip

[cinder fox]

it's the ndm that should be a korai honestly

[rose cargo]

Ye

[cinder fox]

flamethrower on etern isn't good, would drop it for dtail

[rose cargo]

Hm

[cinder fox]

also just make the fairyceus standard defensive spread, demon fairy has no need for speed

flame etern is bad bc etern is meant to act as a kyogre check

[rose cargo]

Let’s hope I get the turns right with zac then

[cinder fox]

flame doesn't come close to killing zac

let ALONE in rain

it's a dead slot on etern in basically all relevant scenarios

[rose cargo]

Yeah, but without ndm random Tera zac kinda claps

[cinder fox]

you have a whole lando

and a twave kyogre

and a scarf korai

it is manageable

[rose cargo]

Webs

But k

[cinder fox]

its really not as bad as you're making it out to be

• eqless ndm does not help with zacian im ngl

[rose cargo]

Oof

[cinder fox]

why do do many of your mons have unnecessary speed creep btw

esp lando

that guy NEEDS full physdef

[rose cargo]

Idk it’s for random kingambit

Oh wait

Maybe I don’t need speed for gliscor

[rose cargo]

lemme fix some rq

[kind dome]

https://pokepast.es/d1f8ecbb3f288aff

I'd rather keep the koraidon and boltbeam arceus if possible

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon plume]

Ok I was rambling in compgen but lmao

[kind dome]

[ebon plume]

You want max offense on arceus, the bulk is not as valuable on webs

Korai is fine now

Ribom is fine

Ho-Oh doesn't fit on this archetype and Golldengo is just bad sadly, I'd replace them with other traditional setup sweepers in Ubers

Or something like choiced Kyogre is viable too

[kind dome]

I was more using gholdengo as a spinblocker

But now that I think of it idk if ubers have many dedicated hazard cleaners

[ebon plume]

Yea

Honestly

Zacian-C over Gholdengo is very good here

Or

If you wanna keep Zamazenta-C (which isnt particularly good but its at least viable)

You can do Eternatus

[kind dome]

Idc if I lose zama

[ebon plume]

Eternatus is a particularly good mon here because

Ok then go zac > zama and etern > ghold

This is particularly good because

Zacian can kill glimmora while blocking mortal spin

[kind dome]

Which etern set

[ebon plume]

And the toxic debris doesnt matter

Meteor beam

[kind dome]

https://pokepast.es/c46d166e36ee1e98

Wait oops

Uh

[ebon plume]

Now you go like

[kind dome]

One sec

[ebon plume]

Choiced Kyogre or setup Rayquaza or Kyurem-B over Zamazenta

And you're all set

Choiced Kyogre meaning specs Max speed

[kind dome]

https://pokepast.es/98b4e75064a094e8

[ebon plume]

Timid Kyogre to outspeed Zacian-C with webs

Other than that its golden

[cinder fox]

ogre doesn't fit on webs so i'd replace it with something else, also bulky arcs on webs is not only fine but the standard

i'd make the eleceus into a physdef cm ghosty and the ogre into a defensive lando

also tera fire >>> tera ghost korai

this gives you more consistent outs into mons that might pose threats to webs like ndm caly zacian etc

[ebon plume]

Ok uh

Out of curiosity

What does pdef lando

[cinder fox]

zacian

[ebon plume]

Do for webs structur3s

Oh fair lmfao

[cinder fox]

rocks is a bonus but defensive lando can check big threats to webs without sinking momentum thanks to uturn

[cinder fox]

i also don't think etern needs that much speed investment, ray isn't very common and struggles to set up vs offense and kyub struggles a lot when its slowed down by webs

[ebon plume]

"Ok then how much lol"

I mean

I thought about that too but then I was like

[cinder fox]

imo 208 hp 48 speed is better, 48 speed allows you to outspeed timid base 90s

[ebon plume]

I typed this first

But discord sucks

And only sent the second message

[kind dome]

Good?

https://pokepast.es/aaf355fa4b6bbad0

[cinder fox]

imo taunt > dtail on ghosty

[kind dome]

https://pokepast.es/d09c15e8e2e63326

[cinder fox]

mhm this is fine

if you want you can go taunt > low kick on korai but that's a personal preference

do what you feel is best

[kind dome]

I keep low kick cuz alot of ubers are mad heavy

[ebon plume]

Yea i like low kick too because the spammability is really useful

Go w oreo's tips tho i'm still starting out in this teambuilding advice thing Lol

[kind dome]

A stab possibly 120 bp no drawback move is always nice to have

Especially on a mon like korai

[ebon plume]

Yea

Its the no drawback part in particular

Scale Shot and Flare Blitz aren't spammable due to recoil or accuracy

[kind dome]

Yeahhh

[stark cloud]

not really my place as I'm not super familiar with the metagame, but the increased pp against bulkier teams is a godsend

[kind dome]

Increased pp of what

[stark cloud]

low kick v cc

[kind dome]

Ah yeah ofc

And most ubers are big heavy monsters so they're eating a 120 pp stab fighting move with no drawback

From a koraidon who just Swords danced at them

[stark cloud]

well blissey being the premier blob helps a lot

[kind dome]

Blissye is heavy?

[crude turtle]

Disagree u want some for taunt arcs

But that’s creep wars

[fluid sky]

So I am trying to build a SV Doubles Ubers team around a pivoting Miraidon set with Eject Pack Draco Meteor. I think it has a lot of potential, but I don't quite know how to make it work and what I'm missing. Could someone help me out? I'm not the best at building teams, so sorry if it is kinda bad...
https://pokepast.es/66b62e079db8758e
(also ignore the name, I had a private tournament with some friends a couple months ago and won 👊 )
Thanks!

[cinder fox]

We don't rate Doubles Ubers here, you're better off going to https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060682530094862477 for that

[fluid sky]

Oh, okay sorry ;-;. Thank you

[eternal scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/a2670bb125414128 really nice against HO suicide leads to get 1 or more free setup turns without fear of getting taunted, and also just a good way to punish stall, as it's really status-heavy

what do you experts think? I'm only like 1300 on ladder with this lol

[cinder fox]

3/6 of these mons are unviable and with the exception of zac all the sets are subpar at best

[shut skiff]

Uber (Gen 9)

• Viability Rankings
• Sample Teams
• Set Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Simple Questions and Answers Thread
• Ubers Discord
• Pokemon Showdown Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[cinder fox]

would check these resources

[worn lily]

double ubers btw https://pokepast.es/83ec4294ac7652cc

[steep tulip]

we don't really rate DUbers

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060682530094862477 might be what you need

or doubles

[rose cargo]

That’s a vgc team

[worn lily]

Oh

[south wraith]

https://pokepast.es/37dfdd9dcbb7daf4

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder fox]

most of these sets either don't work or have anti synergy

for one i don't understand why you're using dd ndm with caly

ndm should be tr itself if you don't wanna change the mons

weakness policy tera psychic caly also isn't good, boots tera fire is just wholly superior so change it to that

groundy has no reason to be using espeed. also this set is completely walled by ho-oh. stone edge >>> espeed ALWAYS

korai is fine

zac without wild charge is bad bc it just can't get past ho-oh. i'd say the best option here is replacing play rough with wild charge.

oh also dd groundy does not need that much speed and has no use for special attack without ice beam. just change it to the dex set.

make zac tera flying imo

and use the dex set for glimm here

[south wraith]

k

[south wraith]

i thought zac was a bike remover

[south wraith]

my bad

[cinder fox]

not really, moreso a wallbreaker for offensive teams

[south wraith]

k

[south wraith]

@cinder fox r the mons fine though?

[devout lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/0a16bb6adfd1ade2 Gen 4 ubers team

[cinder fox]

only two of these mons are remotely viable in the tier and all mons are running suboptimal sets at best

[shut skiff]

Uber (Gen 4)

• Viability Rankings, Sample Teams, Speed Tiers and Teambuilding Compendium
• DPP Ubers Discord
• Ubers Discord
• Ubers Pokemon Showdown Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[cinder fox]

would check out these resources on the tier

[devout lagoon]

Figured. I just wanted to see if the PTSD team was viable lol

[eternal scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/3e3696dcc3668669
A webs semisun team, got me to around 1400 on an alt

(smeargle is supposed to be tera steel btw)

[rose cargo]

You have two sun setters and two choice specs users on a webs HO team

Smeargle isn’t good for webs compared to ribombee either

[eternal scaffold]

I preferred it over ribombee because it was able to run rapid spin

[rose cargo]

It’s not gonna beat the other hazard leads anyways

[eternal scaffold]

alright, I'll do some tweaking

[rose cargo]

Here are more things wrong with the team:

we have not experimented with groudon much yet, but it is safe to say this set sucks.

HO without scale shot koraidon is kinda trash.

Choice items are generally not good on Ho outside of some fringe cases, but two choice specs users are pretty bad

Ribombee is better than smeargle in webs setting.

3 of your mons might struggle into arc water

There is no reason to use naughty nature kyurem black

You are gonna struggle HARD into opposing HO teams…

And more…

I probably can’t save this team without major changes, and after that it really isn’t the same.

@eternal scaffold

[devout lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/a644bc218e16ac00 My gen 9 ubers team

[rose cargo]

Why the heck would you even consider charizard and venusaur in Ubers? I’d say just go try a sample team.

And check out the tiering VR too

[shut skiff]

Unrecognized tier; please choose one from the list

Uber (Gen 9)

• Viability Rankings
• Sample Teams
• Set Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• Simple Questions and Answers Thread
• Ubers Discord
• Pokemon Showdown Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[devout lagoon]

What's a viable replacement for Miraidon (some of the sample teams were made before Miraidon was banned from ubers)

[rose cargo]

The closest replacement is arceus-electric, but eleceus isn’t considered to be very good at the moment.

You can also check out the team dumps or tournament games

[devout lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/454656ebc0835ce5
https://pokepast.es/29420236cd8a053b
Which is the better NDUbers team?

[cinder fox]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060037469472555028

we don't have jurisdiction over natdex here

[devout lagoon]

oki lol

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/b683b9c07e9709a3

i wanted to get into some past gen meta games.

Anyways I got inspired by dd zyggy and I wanna play it with dtail

[cinder fox]

why do you have zero hazards

i also don't really get band marsh here, you'd probably be better off going for the regular bulk up set

and i also get you wanted to use dd zyg but truthfully you'd get much better results putting a groudon in that slot

[rose cargo]

Aw dangit

I mean, dd zyggy is a real set, so is there any way I can build around it?

[cinder fox]

tbh i don't rate zyg very highly

it's hoping the opponent can't beat it before it sets up

but doing so is really not that hard to do for good players bc zyg takes several turns to really get going

and is decidedly not great in its base form

[lime prairie]

you can't afford to go non boots yveltal on this you'd just kinda lose to everything, boots on balance is always better just as a rule unless you're going against it for a very good reason. ho-oh should always have brave bird, whirlwind isn't useful. ndm should be rocks > twave/knock, if you do it over knock then go iron head + twave as the move combo. etern on this kind of team 100% needs dtail, you cannot beat kyogre any other way. In theory mfire is a stop for a bit and lets you phaze it w ho-oh with rain down and negative spatk but you gotta win faster and your breakers just can't do that on this build. BU marsh is also just a better mon, cb is very situational and rarely gets the value you want. Usable just difficult

as for zygarde itself the issues with it are that it's really slow moving and struggles to do anything defensively when it wants to win. It's scared of ndm since most carry knock now, and all physical mons like don ho-oh etc can break the sub. marsh also just lives any hit at +1 and can steal boosts, caly lives a boosted tarrows and can kill, and kyogre can just sit for a while. Not an unviable mon but it's quite niche nowadays in what it can actually do, hard to position and rarely will win quickly, needs the opponent to give too many turns or just have nothing for it + lucky dtail draws

when using it I think one of your 3 mons have to be something that can pressure ogre, mainly offensive don or especially ferrothorn since that mon also has spikes which helps dtail out a lot

[rose cargo]

Thanks, I am gonna start spending my time reading all that

So tldr dd zyggy really can’t work

Rip

Sad

[lime prairie]

It’s not that it entirely can’t work it’s just a specific mon that needs support

Not as good as it once was

[stark cloud]

Also keep in mind since you're basing it on ndubers experience, tera ground is functionally a free dd wo spending a turn to do so. It also lets it ohko marsh and setup on eternatus if desired. There are other benefits, but its strength really lies in tera ground which obviously it won't have access to SS

[rose cargo]

https://pokepast.es/987ac26c00693798

fuck it, dd zyggy isn’t gonna work so let’s do band Ho-Oh

[ebon plume]

https://pokepast.es/9761946fca38bfca

Chi-Yu webs.

This was born off of a half-jokeful attempt of buildint Chi-Yu + Koraidon (the second of which isn't hard to work with anyway) but I liked this outcome. Been doing pretty stable on ladder w/it too, 1500 consistent-1600+ peaks and all with solid gxe, but that's no parameter to a good team anyway

Still, knowing the mon is considered actually viable in the tier (ranked C) made me want to optimize the team and send for rating and here we are

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @twilit quiver, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder fox]

this looks fine, only thing i'd change is like

pounce > tw on bee and lo etern > lando

[ebon plume]

Gotcha

I wanted to fit etern somewhere anyway so thats great

[cinder fox]

im not the biggest fan of chi yu but its workable

[ebon plume]

Its not the best but i like it

Lol!

[cinder fox]

other thing is