Ubers

[crude turtle]

just make volc a lando or smth and make bax a sd koraidon

then ur fine

[brave nacelle]

i wont use koridon, but i will try lando

[crude turtle]

why

tbh i cant really help if you're avoiding a pokemon that nearly every team uses

[rose cargo]

I think that’s on webs teams (?)

[cinder fox]

not really

webs doesn't use specs ogre from what i've seen

[rose cargo]

That’s wild

[cinder fox]

specs is mainly for teams tgat can supply both pivoting and removal

which your team very much has

[rose cargo]

Hmm

Also why should ground arceus be physdef

I thought it’s a miraidon check

Oh wait

[cinder fox]

Groundy is a mirai check with just max hp

[rose cargo]

If physdef what moves should I put

[cinder fox]

cm judgment ice beam recover

[rose cargo]

Mhm

No taunt

Ok

So make miraidon with calm mind and life orb

[cinder fox]

you don't need hazards because everything does 100% damage to each other in this tier

[rose cargo]

Along with electro drift and parabolic charge?

[cinder fox]

https://pokepast.es/ce1f2bd34569a76e

this

[rose cargo]

Awesome

Tera dragon

Hmmm interesting

Me about to miss two dracos in a row

[cinder fox]

+1 lo tera dragon draco has a 50% chance to ohko ting

and forget about living it with clod

[rose cargo]

I has been forever since I had seen clod

[cinder fox]

Huh really?

[rose cargo]

But ting is everywhere

Clod is really only on hard stall from what I had seen

[cinder fox]

huh

it rose a lot in popularity to check kyogre

[rose cargo]

Oh

[cinder fox]

which itself became more common to check korai

[rose cargo]

So that means it can’t check sd koraidon

[cinder fox]

anyways ye there you are

[rose cargo]

It seems like the days of iron treads is over

Kyogre has ended the existence of iron treads

[brave nacelle]

I don’t want to be “everyone” so I’ve banned a few Pokémon

[rose cargo]

Lel

Well if ur trying to ladder it’s better to be everyone in terms of species

Also I wonder what is the near maximum defense investment on arceus for

[cinder fox]

serves as a decent check to korai and zac

[rose cargo]

Mhm

Skeledirge completely walls both of them but I guess this works too

[cinder fox]

nope

scale shot can 2hko dirge from full with loaded dice

(the most common item on scale korai)

[crude turtle]

it does cover them somewhat fine but its not the best check in a long term game since you need other fairy pivots

[rose cargo]

Well 85 percent of the time I guess

Now I am just wondering why is it still a tier

A tier

[sharp jolt]

https://pokepast.es/03fd4b880ce23e22 looking to make a team around Specs MewTwo and Scarf Korai, don't know what to run on Miraidon and which Arceus to use (the latter of which will be a Calm Mind variant)

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sharp jolt]

Tera Types are not final either oop

[brave nacelle]

is miradon good for ubers

[cinder fox]

yes

it's the clear number 2

for future reference tho use one of the comp general channels for questions

[potent hound]

@cinder fox can i dm u a team to rate (the person im fighting in a tour is also in this thread so i cant send the team here) if u dont mind

[fast iron]

Go for it (Tell him I said hi)

[frosty vine]

Closed for DLC2. Stay tuned for when it reopens!

[viscid palm]

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Psychic
• Calm Mind
• Encore

Great Tusk @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Headlong Rush
• Body Slam
• Ice Spinner
• Close Combat

Kingambit (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 208 HP / 252 Atk / 48 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Kowtow Cleave
• Sucker Punch
• Iron Head

Kyogre @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Ancient Power
• Surf
• Ice Beam
• Thunderbolt

Rillaboom @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Grassy Glide
• Drain Punch
• Knock Off
• Wood Hammer

Kyurem @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Ice Beam
• Freeze-Dry
• Draco Meteor
• Earth Power

[cinder fox]

two things

1. please put this into a pokepaste for ease of rating next time

2. this is not viable for the current ubers meta, half your mons are unviable and great tusk has no reason to be on this team

not to mention the subpar sets in general

i'd recommend using a team from the bazaar, as this team is far from the standard and can't be properly rated in this state
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar-dlc-2.3723557/

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/42a99a71cefef351

I need to learn how to play/pilot stuff other than HO so i built this

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox, @cursive osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder fox]

actually this is p solid but i have a couple suggestions

[empty bridge]

speak lol

[cinder fox]

OK so i think pivot mirai is overall better here

and go scale korai

[empty bridge]

i had my doubts about specs mirai

scale korai?

[cinder fox]

scale shot man.

[cinder fox]

pivot should be boots

with taunt over overheat

[empty bridge]

good point.

lmao

the same set you gave me?

or low kick over sub?

[cinder fox]

anything works honestly

[empty bridge]

fair enough lmao

[cinder fox]

but i would go for a tera ghost variant since my other changes make it worse into ekiller

this groundy should be a gliscor and the zac and fairyceus

[empty bridge]

yeah good point

[empty bridge]

oh

[cinder fox]

the first thing i noticed when i saw this team was that you didn't have spikes

[empty bridge]

yeah i have rocks but not spikes

lol

[cinder fox]

and had lo deoa

[empty bridge]

i was gonna mention sash

but i didn't know if it was worth it without hazard removal

[cinder fox]

don't

sash is a complete waste of a midgame deoa

[empty bridge]

oh

then what lmao

[cinder fox]

lo always

[empty bridge]

oh ok lmao

[cinder fox]

btw you want rock slide over espeed

espeed doesn't actually do anything whereas rock slide lets you kill ho-oh

[empty bridge]

good point

which gliscor spread?

(physdef or spdef)

[cinder fox]

spdef

[empty bridge]

(i'm figuring physdef ndm is enough)

[cinder fox]

speaking of ndm i'd make it defensive ddance

fairyceus already takes care of rocks

[empty bridge]

ah ok

that's it?

[cinder fox]

https://pokepast.es/0f4626296442565a

[empty bridge]

this fairyceus?

[cinder fox]

yep!

[cinder fox]

smth like this

[empty bridge]

alright!

thanks lol

i'm in a hurry here but that's good, ty lmao

[cinder fox]

thanks for making this easy for me lmao

[empty bridge]

np lmao

(wdym by that)

[cinder fox]

not much changes were needed i mean

[empty bridge]

oh

thanks 👍

lmao

[ashen patio]

https://pokepast.es/fe407747e7f35d9a hows my team

[scarlet compass]

chiyu and ogre have have very bad synergy

[steep tulip]

this has no synergy and most of the sets are suboptimal at best; do NOT run Regieleki or Chi-Yu in regular Ubers and try to stick to sets from the Ubers dex (https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/uber/)

that being said, none of these sets are good. You have a decent core in Ogre/Koraidon/Ekiller but thats it

[outer kite]

https://pokepast.es/7f2b0e60a68dace5

How’s this?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox, @cursive osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[outer kite]

Been sitting on this chat room for weeks to get this rated lmao

[lime prairie]

Good general start but I’d change a few sets here

Magic bounce doesn’t really exist so bee is better off w pounce or qd last

Ekiller doesn’t really need ebelt since the goal is to be clicking espeed more than anything

[outer kite]

Aight aight

[lime prairie]

Boots or silk scarf are better

[outer kite]

It helps out in the dirge or zacian matchup tho

[lime prairie]

Zac should just die to eq if you set up

Dirge I’d honestly rather run taunt for and no eq

But it’s uncommon

[outer kite]

Taunt’s too gimmicky for me

[lime prairie]

Taunt definitely isn’t a gimmick

It’s a very strong option

Pretty standard on arc

[outer kite]

I can see that

But eq’s coverage I find pretty reliable

[lime prairie]

If dirge is scaring you then zac could be tera ground blast > prough

If not that tho I’d go tera fight cc

To hit ndm

[outer kite]

Ok sounds good

[lime prairie]

Also small thing but make bee max spatk just for more damage

It doesn’t need to live anything

[outer kite]

Aight

[lime prairie]

Ndm wants to be dd here also

Webs + trick room is anti synergy

[outer kite]

So max hp max atk ddance

[lime prairie]

You can kinda run any coverage moves and item but probably just like dd sunsteel eq edge/photon tera fire weakness policy/lo

Max speed

[outer kite]

Aight

Anything else?

[lime prairie]

Not really

This was good for the most part

Just some small set tweaks

[outer kite]

So as of right now what would you rate it minus the adjustments

I built this myself mostly

[lime prairie]

You had the right idea and a pretty good overall execution of it

Just needed some minor adjustments

But when I don’t immediately want to change a mon when rating

It’s a good sign

[outer kite]

I guess I did alright then

Thanks for the help

[lime prairie]

Last thing I could suggest as a maybe, definitely not as important as the others, is the mirai set

[outer kite]

Yeah what about it

[lime prairie]

If this one isn’t cutting it you can try either double dance or boots taunt for opposing webs matchups

But cm life orb is fine too

Nothing really wrong with it

Just preference mostly

smth to maybe test out

Since mirai is versatile

[outer kite]

Double dance I ain’t a fan of since it reduces my coverage options

[lime prairie]

Life orb might just wear itself down clicking a little but it’s strong af so that’s fine too

Just doesn’t have the longevity of boots or the sweeping potential of dd

[outer kite]

I like overheat as an offpick to hard counter some weaknesses

Wait I don’t have overheat

My bad that was the old set

I have gleam on it now

[lime prairie]

Ye it’s a fine set

Just more common to see others

So figured I’d mention it just in case either sounded like you’d prefer it

[outer kite]

I’ve heard of a bulky para left sub set

Is it any good?

[lime prairie]

Never really seen it

I’m not too high on parabolic rn tho

And would rather agility > sub

[outer kite]

Well as luck would have it opposing web teams are countering me

How would you recommend going about it

Taunt mirai?

The smogon sample set does a lo cm taunt set

I’m assuming lead Mirai, eliminate opposing webber and then tag in bee to set mine up

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/19064d41953a3dc2 i feel like this team is ass

[viscid palm]

https://pokepast.es/f6965b637c02cb11

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox, @cursive osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

half of the team is just not good in Ubers and the three good mons have really bad sets. I think it's best if you tell me what your aim with this is

That way we can build around that rather than me telling you to START OVER

[viscid palm]

https://pokepast.es/8658dcef4932699d

https://pokepast.es/62e0b9294924a216

https://pokepast.es/8446b19add20f377

[steep tulip]

What

[scarlet compass]

why is one of these team an ou team

[viscid palm]

What team Is ou

[outer kite]

My guy is simply flabbergasted

[viscid palm]

new to the Game this is 3 team that i make any good team

[steep tulip]

but you posted 4 teams

and one of them has a different creator....

[scarlet compass]

firebuggy pullin up

[steep tulip]

this team is pretty OK, I'd replace the deo-a with something else, maybe a ho-oh

[outer kite]

Plagiarism at its finest

[scarlet compass]

hes a feature

[outer kite]

You still haven’t gotten your team rated eh

[scarlet compass]

💔

one day

[outer kite]

Try resubmitting it so the bot gets an @ out

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/88a4686e9eb0894a

id prolly want a more immediate mirai set

[outer kite]

I ain’t one of the raters but dropping para and sub would be a good idea

Drift and a flex option

[scarlet compass]

dgleam is a funny set

[cursive osprey]

only send completed teams here please!

[cinder fox]

i think the deoa is fine, it has the pivoting and spikes support it needs to be truly effective

(but also that's like my fuckin team exactly, down to the ev spreads )

[cinder fox]

ok hm let's see

first of all please for the love of arceus make that meow a deos

second this groundy set is fine but you want stone edge > dclaw

and prolly go tera ground > fire

this korai has no reason to not be scale shot so make it scale shot

this mirai set is fine but i'd prolly go taunt > sub

lastly i'd make flutter lo and tera stellar

but if you're fine with dropping flutter i'd make it a zacian

sd blade cc wild charge tera flying

[nova rover]

alright will take note

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/501af8009750b283 this should be the final product right?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox, @cursive osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder fox]

stone edge > dclaw on groundy and tera flying on zac then ur good

[scarlet compass]

oh yea

tysm

[nova rover]

ok here's the final product of my archa+kyogre set
https://pokepast.es/28156c3d0861ce49

any recommendations?

[scarlet compass]

scarf swift swim seems a little overkill

[nova rover]

i swap to band and im good to go?

[cinder fox]

aside from basc and kyogre none of these mons are ubers viable

and the sets are all subpar at best

would highly recommend using a team from here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar-dlc-2.3723557/

this team is far from the standard and can't be rated in this state

[glass turtle]

https://pokepast.es/0082d03bcbdd23a4 i did some reworking of my team

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox, @cursive osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[glass turtle]

gliscor is a physical wall and clod is a special wall

arceus is ekiller

koraidon is there to set sun and is scarfed to outspeed miraidon with stab dragon claw

u-turn against deoxys forms

flutter mane is a switch in and has coverage against sneasler

my only issue with this team i think is the fact that it lacks any coverage against fairy

clod can wall them + toxic

and against zacian-c you got mystical fire scarfed flutter mane

or chi-yu overheat

[crude turtle]

i mean all the mons are viable but

lum twave arc is not good

lum is passable but not on this structure either

just go sd espeed claw taunt

silk scarf / boots

flutter + chi yu leaves your team with a lot of structural holes

i would suggest picking one and then using the other slot for something like ho oh or dusk mane for defensive utility

[cinder fox]

dusk mane > chi-yu fs

[glass turtle]

oh also i put assault vest on flutter

is it good

[crude turtle]

that set is outdated

[glass turtle]

or should i just stick to choice specs

[crude turtle]

not good anymore

specs is fine

[cinder fox]

lo > specs imo

[crude turtle]

sure

[cinder fox]

specs is kinda prediction reliant

and lo gets the job done

[glass turtle]

what is lo

[cinder fox]

life orb

[glass turtle]

oh i also was thinking about that

[cinder fox]

also power gem > psyshock

ho-oh is just too important for flutter to hit

and i'd also recommend tera stellar on flutter actually

lets power gem ohko ho-oh and mystical fire ohko zac in sun

both of which it misses out on without stellar and are important targets

[frigid palm]

damn stellar actually doing something on non contrary mons

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/3aeaf0672c940993

i built this with someone in ubers chatroom, kinda satisfied with the result but might as well double check

(note: we want to use kyu-b)

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[scarlet compass]

i feel like ud want spirit break > play rough but im not sure

[empty bridge]

no clue about that one either

i just went play rough because smogdex said so

lmao

[cinder fox]

nah play rough is fine

[empty bridge]

ait

[cinder fox]

this is fine but there's some things

for one why on earth do you have tera blast ground on kyub

is tera electric fusion bolt in terrain

not enough for you

[empty bridge]

ok this is gonna sound stupid but

i built kyu-b's set first

then i added mirai later

and forgot about this connection lmao

💀

but what would i run over

tera blast ground

scale shot/roost?

wait it lost roost

[cinder fox]

scale yes

(or sub if you wanna get feisty)

[empty bridge]

is scale better than dclaw here?

sub works too

[cinder fox]

you have

loaded dice

[empty bridge]

yeah ik

i meant is the def drop worth it

[cinder fox]

[empty bridge]

but probably yes

[cinder fox]

yes man.

[empty bridge]

because this is ho anyway

[cinder fox]

it's ice type

[empty bridge]

...and that

[cinder fox]

you're not concerned with defense

[empty bridge]

gotta remind myself that

caly-i is the only ice type

that lives hits

ok fixing that

[cinder fox]

only two other things i'd suggest are tera dragon on mirai and flying on zac

fairy and fire do nothing for those mons here

[empty bridge]

dragon on mirai makes complete sense

flying on zac is?

[cinder fox]

eqs mainly

[empty bridge]

fair ig

alright thats it?

oh btw is running jolly ndm worth it

[cinder fox]

uhm nothing else sticks out to me so yes i'd say that's it

[empty bridge]

to outspeed korai/mirai at +1

[cinder fox]

no.

tr is fine as is

[empty bridge]

tr?

[cinder fox]

wait it's ddance

that should hella not be ddance imo

[empty bridge]

tr is better here?

[cinder fox]

yeah man

[empty bridge]

i thought ddance would be superior when my entire team is 400+ speed barring ndm

[cinder fox]

screens and prism armor make it unbelievably adept at eating everything

[empty bridge]

and kyub

fair enough lmao

sunsteel or photon?

[cinder fox]

tr ndm is more to break for itself

photon eq

sd tr

[empty bridge]

oki

[cinder fox]

and policy

[empty bridge]

alr got policy

running any other item in screens ndm is a sin

alright thanks lmao

[rose cargo]

Hey, I am trying to cook with screens offense, anybody help?

https://pokepast.es/0b5a9cc115bd72fe

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Don’t mind changing any Pokémon, just try to make it better cuz I am not very good with longer games.

And I forgor regenerator on Ho oh

[crude turtle]

i dont think this ho oh fits on this

kinda kills momentum / wastes screens turns

rather put a zacian here

sd 3a tera fight

[rose cargo]

Mhm

[crude turtle]

korai is missing sd but thats an accident

[rose cargo]

Yea

[crude turtle]

i would prolly drop taunt on wp for cm

taunt is fine but it seems hard to really use that well

though i suppose its nice in some mus

[rose cargo]

To stop ting Lu whirlwind mostly

Lemme try it out

[cinder fox]

i'd def go caly > ho-oh

imo

not only is it a good pairing with tr ndm

it's unkillable af behind screens

[rose cargo]

Uhhhh

Calyrex is banned here

Wait

It’s caly ice

Got it

[cyan tendon]

https://pokepast.es/28e08ff1ac9926eb

first ubers team i ever made

any recommendations or changes?

[scarlet compass]

this aint it

[crude turtle]

none of these mons are viable

i'd recommend looking at the bazaar for examples

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar-dlc-2.3723557/

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings-post-dlc2.3724082/

vr helps

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/75c0fc6e9348720c kyub is funny

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid palm]

fully defensive ndm seems kinda redundant here since you already have bulky cm arc, maybe change it to bulky dd or tr sd set

since this team is kinda just going for offense anyway

the tr sd set would also help vs opposing offense

play rough>cc on zacian, mayyybe tera flying but thats preference

actually wait you have no groundceus answers yeah i think flying is better

[lime prairie]

cc is generally better than prough rn

[frigid palm]

wait what

[lime prairie]

ndm existing makes that happen

[frigid palm]

i take a break from ubers for less than a month and zacian stops running play rough

[lime prairie]

I can’t check extensively rn but the thing about def ndm is right make it offensive, arc can be a bit more offensive too

And I’d just make ogre a suicide lead

Kyu is good on offense

[frigid palm]

isnt dropping bb better then? since prough would help in checking the lizards as well

[lime prairie]

Behemoth is more reliable neutral coverage

And a ton of things run tera fairy

[frigid palm]

true i guess

[frigid palm]

oh yeah also edrift over pcharge

the power difference is very significant

[cinder fox]

pcharge is fine

it's a longevity over power thing

[covert marsh]

https://pokepast.es/e65025aa8745f3af

i don't know ubers meta

so i'm probably lacking about a billion switchins

[lime prairie]

What kind of team did you want to make here

I assume trick room but you have a few conflicting mons here so it’s best to know which direction you wanted to go off the bat

[covert marsh]

hard trick room

[lime prairie]

I’m gonna be honest I don’t think full tr is viable but I can try to help make it as good as possible

Caly I is fine, but full tr you’re gonna want at the very least dusk mane and arceus somewhere

Better slots than both heatran and gira

Also make all your mons -speed nature 0 ivs

Caly ndm arc is kinda the building blocks for full room, from there you can go a lot of directions

I don’t really rate mag dialga or ursaluna but you can probably keep 1-2 if you wanted

You just get more utility out of smth like hatterene lead and a sweeper like basculegion

You need to use as good mons as possible w tr since it’s already lacking in terms of how much it can do with the turns

If smth like mag is stuck clicking -2 fleur or spikes in front of groundceus when you have no switch in you’ll fall behind

[outer kite]

https://pokepast.es/54d3f4e3c2a73eac

Screens offence, self TR countersweep

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

tera fighting zac with close combat (kills offensive NDM at +3)
dont run e-belt ekiller, if you're going this fast might as well do silk scarf
ALWAYS photon geyser + tera fire on TR NDM, so you don't lose to random mon dirge

also dual wingbeat on korai is not good, AT ALL! do tera ghost + sub here

and maybe electric seed DD mirai because you don't have any bulk on a team like this and u need a setup sweeper that doesn't auto-fold to 5 phys def walls

[outer kite]

So agility calm mind bulky mirai?

[outer kite]

Substitute Korai? First time I’ve heard of it

[steep tulip]

yes and yes

[outer kite]

Interesting

What’s the logic behind sub korai

[steep tulip]

helps you scout stuff like fairy tera into willo from waterceus

and tank dtail

[outer kite]

So what’s the set

Sub sd ss fb?

Or go bulky

[cinder fox]

yes that's the set

no changes to spread

screens can also help the sub easily take some attacks

[outer kite]

Very nice

[cinder fox]

oh btw this grimm spread isn't good

use this instead:
Grimmsnarl @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 128 Def / 124 SpD / 8 Spe
Careful Nature

• Reflect
• Light Screen
• Taunt
• Play Rough

this spread lives +1 zacian's behemoth blade after reflect

[outer kite]

Ty

[outer kite]

Would it be possible to put parting shot into a Grimm set

The pivoting and debuff is pretty useful imo

[empty bridge]

You can do it over play rough but then you're 1000% helpless against ting-lu

I would not recommend it but if you need to then over play rough is the best choice imo

[outer kite]

Aight

[empty bridge]

On a side note, if you're up against zacian with grimmsnarl, don't try to read those pesky swords dances

Just click reflect and then go into NDM

Zacian is forced out by NDM behind reflecr even if it swords dances and then you keep reflect as well

[outer kite]

Good to know

[empty bridge]

Lol

[outer kite]

What about HoOh

Back then I’d wild charge or drift to eliminate

[empty bridge]

Miraidon

If you need to switch

[outer kite]

Ah

I’m running bulky mirai now

[empty bridge]

Yeah miraidon is your best sacred fire switchin

You can also tera fire if you want

[outer kite]

The team is gonna get walled by stall if I’m not careful isn’t it

[empty bridge]

Instead of switching i mean

[empty bridge]

Yes

My suggestion is saving NDM for stall stuff

Photon Geyser ignores Unaware

[outer kite]

Ah

Interesting

No wonder I can kill Clods easily

[empty bridge]

Yeah

If you're feeling gutsy

[outer kite]

Never realised it I’ll be honest

[empty bridge]

You can gamble with Ho-Oh

50-50 chance you get your weakness policy and 50-50 chance you lose NDM

But that's usually not the best choice

It's an absolute last resort

[outer kite]

There’s the 5% chance it misses and I manage to trick up

Which I am always willing to gamble on

[empty bridge]

Yeah that too

So 47.5% chance to get burned ig

[empty bridge]

You live a sacred fire anyway

You just can't afford to get burned

[outer kite]

Oh yeah definitely

No heal bell users in gen 9 it seems

[empty bridge]

You live flare blitz from korai if you're at full

Yeah no heal bell

It's a gamble

[outer kite]

Gen 9 just feels like pure offence is the only viable option

[empty bridge]

Its the most meta one

But you can do other stuff if you're good at the game lol

[outer kite]

I think I’m just shit at team building really

I get a good idea of what I want but I can’t get movesets right

[next rover]

https://pokepast.es/042cf9b2accac253

HO

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[steep tulip]

OK so

no webs setter has a niche in Ubers besides ribombee and it's 100% because of the speed tier it has

you dont get taunted by arceus as a 381 mon when a ton of Arceus are running taunt

DD Ekiller was a mistake when we put it on the dex; if you really want to run it, do tera blast w/ tera fairy so u can blast Koraidon. Kyogre I'd rather do a HDB else you give removal chances to a lot of things when scarf korai u-turns on you

cant say Skymin is good ever but eh u can keep it it's funny

[frigid palm]

the miraidon spread is not good, just run 20 spe max spatk and rest in hp

tera flying/fire + wild charge>tera fighting + cc on zacian

and yeah dd ekiller is the most dpp electivire set of all time

[hardy hazel]

https://pokepast.es/4a41f8f0703ca1c6

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent hound]

This team is structurally sound and I'd only make a few changes. Since you're building around CM + Taunt Mirai + DD Kyu-B, you're going to want a more robust defensive core. For that, I recommend adding Ho-Oh in lieu of Zacian-C, while keeping Bulky CM Groundceus, Kyogre, and NDM. You ideally want Kyogre to run a Heavy Duty Boots sets along with Tera Fairy so you have checks against Scale Shot Koraidon. I don't think Scarf Kyogre is very good at the moment, as it loses utility throughout many games with the ubiquitousness of Koraidon. Here's an updated version of your team with the changes I suggested: https://pokepast.es/6b84f85715891f50

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[potent hound]

For a more balanced variation of this build, check this team out as well: https://pokepast.es/d8743ab972758250

[potent hound]

Howdy! If you're aiming to run a full TR team, I suggest starting with OTR NDM + Caly-I, adding forms of hazard control + healing wish abusers like Hatterene or Cresselia, and then rounding the team with 2-3 more slow sweepers like Basculegion, Lunala, and Arceus. As Fc mentioned, full TR really isn't viable but the above composition did peak the ladder earlier this year by Reduyan (https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ubers-2037862980)

You can use their team composition as building inspriation

[potent hound]

This is a pretty good start to a decent Screens HO, but I have a couple of changes that will help elevate the quality of this build. To start, I understand Dual Wingbeat on Koraidon is used to snipe Ribombee leads, but it's generally not a good move. I would recommend swapping it for either Substitute or Low Kick and run Tera Ghost on Koraidon for added defensive utility. If you're running Miraidon on Screens, you would benefit more from running a Double Dance set with either Electric Seed and Tera Dragon or Weakness Policy and Tera Stellar. When behind screens and coupled with the +1 Defense boost that Electric Seed grants, Miraidon becomes surprisingly difficult to revenge kill - which is further exacerbated by running Parabolic Charge. OTR NDM should always run Tera Fire alongside SD, Photon, and EQ. Your Arceus set should be a standard Tera Ghost EKiller set with Silk Scarf over Expert Belt. Finally, the last slot is flexible. I think OTR Caly-I synergizes best with OTR NDM as they both form an anti-offense core that beats opposing Webs HO + are quite bulky behind screens. The revised version of your team would look something like this: https://pokepast.es/01531067f802e090 or https://pokepast.es/9024f67032fef490

[outer kite]

Well I had already had most of the changes done, credits to Lasen, Oreo and Stallsun. I may consider Caly I, as the reverse sweep power is really good.

[potent hound]

Yes Caly-I + NDM provide maximal reverse-sweeping potential and protection against other HO teams as they're quite bulky and don't get OHKO'd by most moves

[outer kite]

I worry about opposing Zacian C though

[potent hound]

It's nothing to worry about since you have NDM + the tera button for emergency situations

and Zacian-C imo isn't as good as it was before the DLC dropped bc of the inclusion of NDM + Ho-Oh

[potent hound]

This is an odd team, I think I understand what you're going for but significant changes need to be made in order for it to be viable. If you're building around Miraidon + Iron Bundle, I highly recommend running Pivot Miraidon here to safely bring in Bundle. Tera Fire OTR NDM would probably fit this team better and I would make Kyogre Tera Fairy with HDB over Choice Scarf. Replace Zacian-C with Tera Fairy Ho-Oh for added insurance against Scale Shot Koraidon. Finally, make Groundceus Bulky CM so you have better counterplay to Miraidon. The revised version of your team would look something like this: https://pokepast.es/ed8720cc505f8140

[outer kite]

I see

Thanks for the advice

What set should I run for Caly I

[potent hound]

Offensive Trick Room

[outer kite]

Self trick, heavy slam, glacial lance, HHP?

[potent hound]

SD over Heavy Slam

Tera Fire, Heavy Duty Boots

[outer kite]

Got it

I seem pretty weak to Kyogre

Off the top I say it’s a threat

[potent hound]

you won't be able to cover everything but Kyogre is a fairly slow mon and you can offensively pressure it

[outer kite]

Ice beam, Origin pulse and the works

[outer kite]

Fair enough

[potent hound]

you can experiment with slight moveset variations like seed bomb on caly-i for example, what I posted is the most common (standard) sets

[outer kite]

I’ll see what works

[hardy hazel]

Ty for advice, but my team isn't around bundle+Miradon, then should I use offensive Miradon or just use pivot version?

[potent hound]

if your team isn't built around Bundle, then I would highly suggest using a different mon as I find it doesn't pack enough power or utility to dedicate a teamslot for

If you're using Bundle, Pivot Miraidon is your best friend

if not using Bundle, swap it for something like DD Kyu-B, which pairs better with Miraidon and can pressure bulkier threats in the tier

[clear estuary]

been tweaking this team for a bit now, anything i should change? https://pokepast.es/c4925ebe7e63657a

usually open wth kyurem on this one

[potent hound]

Don’t run Sash on Miraidon. You’re better off running a CM or HDB Pivot set. I’m not a fan of Scarf Kyogre and you should probably make that Tera Fairy HDB Defensive

Rest of team looks fine tho Zacian-C should run Wild Charge to hit Ho-Oh. IMO, you might be better off running a Tera Fighting set with Behemoth Blade, Wild Charge, and Close Combat to hit everything you want

[clear estuary]

might make a variation with the changes you suggested and give it a few tries

[potent hound]

Yea I’ll post the variation I think that would work well here in a few mins

[clear estuary]

aight

thanks

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/0a69916311d59f80

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[clear estuary]

why no play rough on zacian?

[potent hound]

You don't really need it to hit anything that CC / Blade doesn't already hit for a ton

[clear estuary]

huh

[potent hound]

• it has the chance of missing

Play rough is only used to revenge the bikes

but they both take a ton or drop to +1 tera fighting cc

+1 252 Atk Tera Fighting Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Koraidon: 288-340 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+1 252 Atk Tera Fighting Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 325-384 (95.3 - 112.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

and this is assuming both bikes are at full

[crude turtle]

zacian doesnt run play rough most commonly atm

its hard to fit bc you need wild charge for ho oh, cc for ndm, and blade for stab and fairyceus

cc also hits korai mirai decently hard anwyays

[steep tulip]

"Koraidon has Terrastalized into the Ghost-type!"

[round lodge]

https://pokepast.es/ee5fc4d288a6e4b6

pls help

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[crude turtle]

In all honesty

No pokemon or set on this team is viable

Clodsire is fine but

[round lodge]

D:

[crude turtle]

Defensive only

[round lodge]

oh

[steep tulip]

clod is my GUY

[crude turtle]

Yes but not

Max attack clod

[steep tulip]

hearthflame is my GUY

[crude turtle]

😭

[round lodge]

but my clodsire in violet is a girl

[crude turtle]

She can be good

[steep tulip]

clodsire is my GAL

[round lodge]

e

then what do i need to change

im not doing that stupid ruin quest for ting lu

[round lodge]

so do i try to change her nature

[steep tulip]

if you're trying to compete in-game

I don't think you can get away with minimal effort

[round lodge]

im stuck on figthing pecharunt rn

my clod does no dmg

[crude turtle]

Is this rating for in. Game

Or ps

[next rover]

Gen it?

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/3223bdb87fded515 i dont think im into sumthing

[shut skiff]

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[scarlet compass]

idk if ho-oh and kyogre work together

[scarlet compass]

i just realised i got 2 zacian counters

or is it zacian check idk the difference

[steep tulip]

They don't really :/
Biggest issue this has is that it has no ground so specs Miraidon goes wayyyy in.

I'd maybe try something like Groundceus + Zac-C > Fairyceus + Ho-Oh

Another option is scarf lando-t somewhere

[scarlet compass]

whats the set for goundceus

just cm

https://pokepast.es/44e2258399954456 i got this rn

[next rover]

Ngl Miraidon can zap your team to bits

[scarlet compass]

that has already been pointed out yes

[next rover]

True mb

[next rover]

I feel like Tera Ghost on Chien Pao is much more beneficial than Tera Ice

[scarlet compass]

i think that a vgc thing

[next rover]

Hm

[steep tulip]

I'm honestly trying to figure out how to preserve the ogre without making the team slow as all hell

[next rover]

Tera Ghost on Chien Pao, no?

[steep tulip]

no

You have things to check ekiller and I can't think of anything it sets up on besides ogre

[next rover]

True

[steep tulip]

Oh also make zac tera fight. At +3 it can tera and ohko bulky dd

[scarlet compass]

scarf chien pao

[steep tulip]

I'm at work so I can't think straight ngl.

[next rover]

@steep tulip how does this do against the Parabolic Charge Miraidon sets?

[scarlet compass]

cry

[next rover]

:/

You lose to the bikes icl

[steep tulip]

Who is it gonna setup on rofl

[scarlet compass]

i think groundeus is fine for it isnt it?

[next rover]

I mean

Ig?

Scarf Kori is kinda scary tbh

[steep tulip]

no team is safe from Miraidon. You either take the L and run a do-nothing ground like ting-lu or clod

[scarlet compass]

100 SpA Earth Plate Arceus-Ground Judgment vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 290-344 (85 - 100.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[steep tulip]

Or you just run offense.

[scarlet compass]

ill take the 6.3%

[next rover]

I'm talking about the bulky Miraidon sets that run calm mind Agility DPulse and Paracharge

[steep tulip]

You can obv do something like Ting-Lu here by changing the composition but atp what's the point.

[next rover]

Ting Lu :/

[scarlet compass]

ting lu goated

[next rover]

I don't like it, I don't respect it

[next rover]

😭

[scarlet compass]

"now calc it against fissure"

[next rover]

You might as well just use Groundceus

[next rover]

CAN'T BEAT THE FISSURE

[scarlet compass]

[steep tulip]

Honestly I think I approached this the wrong way

[next rover]

Honestly

[steep tulip]

What was the idea behind the team.

I think I should reverse engineer it

[next rover]

Idk if the Ogre fits well on this team

[scarlet compass]

ogrepon?

[next rover]

Idk how to spell

I meant Kyogre

[steep tulip]

Shades no offense but you're honestly distracting

[next rover]

Ok mb

[steep tulip]

I have work things to do for a while but I'll return to this

[scarlet compass]

i think its just chien pao + kyogre

[steep tulip]

lmk what you were going for and I'll try and see what we can do

[scarlet compass]

like chien pao semi-rain

how fast is ubers

[next rover]

I made some changes to my HO team, but I'm not sure if it's any good

https://pokepast.es/844a9cfe92864fa7

[cinder fox]

Twave Spout!

that set is broken and fast paced!

[potent hound]

This is a solid start. What I would personally do is make the Fairyceus into a Bulky CM Ground set, which can absorb a hit or two from Miraidon. Make Ho-Oh Tera Fairy so you have a pivot into Scale Shot Korai. Then make Scarf Kyogre into a Heavy Duty Boots set with TWave + Water Spout and Tera Fairy

[shut skiff]

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[potent hound]

@scarlet compass https://pokepast.es/580b19f828c6a970

you could run Tera Steel or Ghost on Miraidon to improve your EKiller matchup too, that's a personal preference kinda thing tho

[potent hound]

DD Arceus is inferior to SD or even Bulk Up Arc. If you're insistent on it, then keep it, but I'd change it to a standard Tera Ghost EKiller set or Tera Fire with Bulk Up + Lefties. Mirai should run no more than 16 Spe, transfer the other 4 EVs to HP. Low Kick or Substitute over Collision Course on Korai (Low Kick if Tera Fire, Sub if Tera Ghost). Solid team!

[next rover]

I'll make the changes and tysm for helping out!!

[potent hound]

I gotchu 🙂

[next rover]

Ty again 🙂

[sharp jolt]

https://pokepast.es/ed770e9252212cf5 pre Gen 9 DLC2 team, does anything need to be changed with the addition of other Legendaries?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

bunch of stuff, really; you have no way to break ho-oh atm since it just pivots the hell out of harm's way of miraidon

flutter always runs power gem nowadays for aforementioned ho-oh, usually over memento

and clod fell out of popularity

you also seem to have no arceus for whatever reason; I'd drop zacian for some sort of bulky arceus forme, maybe a dtail waterceus

[crude turtle]

i'd argue that tera dargon specs mirai is honestly not bad at breaking this

cuz like

u can just tera dragon draco it and the ground that pivots in

and both die

but otherwise everytime you've said is right for sure

this just outdated

[steep tulip]

tera dragon mirai answers currently available in ubers:

tera dragon mirai answers previously available in Ubers:

also this team has like, no speed control even if you keep zacian-c

scarf koraidon goes sicko so maybe make your own koraidon scarf!

:)

[crude turtle]

ye scarf korai is prob the wave here

https://pokepast.es/37fb364470426fe4

smth like this is prob fine?

[cinder fox]

would make the flutter lo fs but otherwise i think this is fine

with mystical fire > psyshock

[steep tulip]

who is mfire hitting even!!!

gambit?!

[reef pine]

it can revenge zacian under sun, sball isn't enough, like if your korai died or something probably

but apart from that idt there's anything else

[reef pine]

just curious btw, why water arc

[crude turtle]

helps team vs caly-ice

since u have no ndm

and double ground

dont need fairyceus since u have flutter

[reef pine]

but there's no wisp on this set though, and sun is usually just up majority of most ubers games so judgment weakened and ice beam resisted, doesn't it just swords dance spam then

[crude turtle]

u can make it wisp or whatever

slots are up to u

but it still does a decent chunk and resists ice

[potent hound]

Make Korai Sub SD or Scarf if Tera Ghost, Pivot Mirai fits this team better, as Lasen said clod isn’t popular and serves as a momentum sink. You’re better off running bulky arc ground since nothing checks mirai anyway

Something like Scarf Korai / Pivot Mirai / Bulky Groundceus / LO Flutter would be a good starting point

[sharp jolt]

oh golly the discussion's still going
yeye I went with Scarf Korai and LO + Gem Flutter

[potent hound]

And to round the team you can add something like Tera Fairy Ho-Oh as a pivot + NDM

Sorry I just saw this right now and wanted to give my feedback

I’ll build it my version of this team and post it on here

[sharp jolt]

naur it’s alright

[potent hound]

@sharp jolt https://pokepast.es/c7edb00cb7436960

Here’s my take on your team - it features LO Tera Stellar Flutter Mane as the breaker of choice

[reef pine]

you made it arc norm with a ground plate

[cinder fox]

it's the same effect

[reef pine]

it becomes a ground type during battle?

instead of a normal type with ground judgment

[cinder fox]

?

multitype man

[reef pine]

Nvm I thought if it's the base form it would just give the plate judgment for some reason my bad

cuz that's the only form that can hold any item

but uh yeah i read the description again idk why i thought that

[hallow beacon]

https://pokepast.es/5fecff2bde12520f

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude turtle]

This looks fine

Not much to say it looks standard and solid

Though

Jolly Max speed arc is not needed

[hallow beacon]

ubers ladder better watch out then 😈

[hallow beacon]

oh so the spread from the sample?

[crude turtle]

Just do like Ada with 307 speed

[hallow beacon]

which is like 200hp

[crude turtle]

Ye that too

Either works

[steep tulip]

kinda wanna say we should be photon on NDM

[hallow beacon]

hm yeah my ag brain put it there for ho oh

[crude turtle]

Ye you can be photon but I’m not a huge stickler on that

[warped pier]

taunt korai looks like a poor MU without photon ndm, def agree with lasen on this

[hallow beacon]

gotcha then

r the teras ok?

[steep tulip]

u have double ghost tera so no ghost tera korai is fine

Im a hater of bug on mirai but its personal preference; also ladder doesnt like glimm too much atm so ghost on bee might be better]

maybe do pounce on the bee? or tw

so u dont have to worry about missing stun spore vs zacian-c lead

[hallow beacon]

heh i saw it on the sample set which said it beats its check and i laughed

the only reason i ran it

[hallow beacon]

hm also thought of this for ag, ty ill do that

[steep tulip]

I asked for it to be removed.... my influence is waning...

[hallow beacon]

btw wdyt of this optimization

uh

192 hp arc

and 25hp ivs ndm

an hp that ends with 9 maximizes uses of life orb

i think, or maybe just anything indivisible by 10 i forgot

[crude turtle]

I added it 😎

@hallow beacon

It’s meant for only sub

It’s not that good on 3a cm

Just make it another Tera

[hallow beacon]

gotcha

basc is carrying me so hard rn

no losses yet

[potent hound]

At that point it’s not worth the loss of bulk just for your HP to end with a 9

You may as well add 16 HP EVs

[potent hound]

This structure is similar to the one @cinder fox posted on the sample thread: https://pokepast.es/a2d6fda234286639

Really the only change would be DD Groundceus over EKiller

Basculegion without Life Orb hits too softly imo esp since you’re Jolly

But Boots are fine

Also I like Zacian-C over NDM on webs, mainly for the immediate speed control it provides. For CM Mirai, Tera Dragon is the best if you're running both Meteor + Pulse

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/aa84d0ca6d794070 something like this is what I'd personally use

you could run Dragon Pulse over Taunt on Mirai and potentially run a bulkier EKiller set, but these 6 imo are the most optimal on Webs. I can't justify using NDM over Zacian-C, since it needs a turn to get its speed going + doesn't offer immediate speed control

if you're feeling funky, you could even run a variant like this: https://pokepast.es/af9e2c5ad1a40ab0 / https://pokepast.es/b351c993f78c4510

[hallow beacon]

this looks cool, tho does bug buzz hit something?

if not psychic seems better for glimm

[potent hound]

I think it’s for Deo-S? I forgot why Oreo had it

But you can run psychic for glim for sure

@cinder fox

[hallow beacon]

for deo-s mblast already breaks sash so

[cinder fox]

nope.

ribombee is p weak tbh

[quartz sleet]

hey, does anyone have any suggestions for a decent team? I want to try Ubers out

[potent hound]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar-dlc-2.3723557/#post-9905253

[quartz sleet]

appreciate it

[cinder fox]

yes

bee can go scarf trick if you want tho

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty bridge]

Wait it duplicated

Bruh and now it deleted both

https://pokepast.es/1e3454444a46d258

This is the team

Discord lag is not funny

Anyway

I wanna keep ogre and basc other than that nbd (the whole purpose of the team is playing w those lol!)

Edit: it's supposed to be u-turn on mirai, i clicked volt switch because its 7 am

[cinder fox]

tbh i really don't have much to recommend other than just making kyogre into a ribombee and making this into ho

[potent hound]

As Oreo said, Basculegion really fits only on Webs HO teams. You probably want to fit a Ribombee somewhere and stick to the composition of Ogre + Basc + Mirai + Zac or NDM + EKiller or Groundceus and call it a day

The only structure BO I’ve seen Basculegion work on is this one & even then webs are prolly better

https://pokepast.es/3d65742da0c23840

Oh and if you run Ogre on Webs, you can get away with running Specs with a Timid Nature

[hallow beacon]

@potent hound have any ditto teams?

im being farmed by basc and its getting annoying

and no one on ladder runs any sort of improof like sub

[outer kite]

https://pokepast.es/81196f0564c22fc6

How’s this? Kyogre Archaludon bulky offence

[potent hound]

Archaludon is completely unviable in Ubers rn

what does it accomplish?

if you're going for a bulky offense structure featuring Ogre, you're better off running something like: Ogre / OTR NDM / OTR Caly-I / Ho-Oh / EKiller or Groundceus / Scarf Korai or Pivot Mirai

https://pokepast.es/580b19f828c6a970 something like this with Caly-I over Chien Pao + OTR NDM would serve you better imo

[empty bridge]

ah ok

[empty bridge]

bet

ty you two

[potent hound]

Check out Bohemian Rhapsody on smogon

That’s the only team I trust with Ditto

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/f9d3f9c113e7fa94

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opaque parrot]

may have cooked too hard just wanted to use hilligant

[cinder fox]

[potent hound]

Looks fine for what it is

I wouldn’t change anything except maybe scarf on korai for speed control ig

[opaque parrot]

ye

it feels a bit slow

alternatively i can keep cb korai and drop hilligant but boring

what can i drop hilligant for if i keep cb korai though

[cinder fox]

scarf korai and a better breaker

[opaque parrot]

i want to try cb korai tho

[cinder fox]

it's mega mid

[opaque parrot]

makes sense

[cinder fox]

btw this glisc should be a lando t imo

[crude turtle]

if they wanna use cb korai

rework the team around it tbh

[opaque parrot]

uhh probably?

[crude turtle]

its not that bad

[opaque parrot]

yeah probably

ill keep this w scarf koraia

and do smth with cb korai separate

[crude turtle]

ye

on this build u prolly want scarf but

if u can fit a mirai or an ekiller or another one

[opaque parrot]

yeah im doing scarf on the hilligant

[crude turtle]

i could see if being fine

idk about that

oh wait

scarf on the korai

ye

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/2d49f2147da58a4e

maybe tera ghost on korai or smth for ekiller

[cinder fox]

y i agree

ndm should also be a bit faster imo

like 120 speed

so it can outspeed deoa at +2

[potent hound]

^

[hallow beacon]

Thanks

Also, whats a good lineup for sub korai?

I always get fucked over by some random tera fairy or ditto

Would the basc webs work with sub over low kick

[hallow beacon]

Oh it seems to fix the ribombee matchup also, idk?

https://pokepast.es/fc8db68b835275f2

[outer kite]

https://pokepast.es/031c442a751cc5ff

Bulky offence again, not convinced on gliscor but it’s a great physical waller

[potent hound]

Yes

[potent hound]

Looks fine

Run bulk up on Arceus, 248 HP + 8 Def on NDM

Oh and why so fast in Glisc? It only needs that much speed if you’re going for fast taunt

[outer kite]

Used the auto ev spread, fixed it

[crude turtle]

these builds heavily prefer spdef gliscor + physdef ho oh imo

[winter sedge]

couldnt find natdex ubers channel so i'll just put it in here

[paper ember]

Natdex Ubers would be in #1060037469472555028, but this team is completely unviable for any competitive format. Let alone Ubers.

[winter sedge]

completely unviable
does he know

you dont know shit matey

that metapod has gotten me out of many jams

[paper ember]

Please don’t shitpost here

[potent hound]

yes agreed with this, phys def hooh + spdef glisc is better 100%

[brittle olive]

https://pokepast.es/58b59ac3aab0fa58 wanted some feedback for this team. I got top 300 with it but want suggestions before i go for top 10 on ladder

[cinder fox]

Did you build this with Terapagos in mind or did you happen to slap it on the team

Truth be told idt Terapagos is good at all but we can work with it if that's your intention

[brittle olive]

I mean I tried to build the team around terapagos

But idk hopefully it’ll b in uubers next month so it can b broken in that

If I really wanted to I could swap it out for espeed killer and replace the ground arceus with something else to help vs kyogre maybe

[cinder fox]

Nah you need groundy fs

If you're comfortable replacing Terapagos I'd make it into a Lando-T

As it is rn this team has very limited Koraidon and Zacian counterplay and Lando helps out with that

Rocks on NDM is also not really good and should always be relegated elsewhere and Lando-T lets you do that

Checks Groundy, pivots in situations that Koraidon can't, can Taunt slower mons, etc

Speaking of Groundy I'd make it specially defensive with Calm Mind, since Groundy is your most relied upon Mirai check and you have rocks on Lando

Change NDM to defensive DDance, it's by far the best set and you're doing yourself a disservice not using it on this kind of team imo

Other than that it's minor changes

Low Kick > Collision Course, LO > Specs and Power Gem > Mystical Fire on Flutter Mane

Oh and this Ho-Oh should be physically defensive

https://pokepast.es/7307bb46479ea1ac

Implementing my changes would yield a team that looks like this

[brittle olive]

Ok ho oh is here for a spd mon, low kick is a bait and less reliable imo

And idk I prob will change up the groundy set and tbh what does lando add that groundy and defensive dusk not do? I swear he does not have the defense to even attempt to live mirai draco.

Also if I get rid of tera for lando I have no options for sticky webs which destroys my team plus this team would then have no checks for last respects fish (the most broken Ubers mon rn)

[cinder fox]

ho-oh's role is not specially defensive

it loses to every special attacker in the tier

[cinder fox]

what about low kick isn't reliable

it's 120 bp against basically every common mon

and the ones that aren't hit for 120 bp resist the move anyways

[cinder fox]

another physical check, and especially another decent way to play around koraidon and dd groundy

so you can make groundy specially defensive

[cinder fox]

terapagos is not a webs check

[gusty mesa]

yo does this have rates for NDUbers

[cinder fox]

nope

that would be in natdex non ou

[gusty mesa]

yep, just saw

ty

[hallow beacon]

https://pokepast.es/f98ddc36fa65d19e

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hallow beacon]

forgive me for i have cooked what is possibly dogshit

level 99 on everything to speed creep the basc tr thats currently going around on ladder

except basc which gets a level 98!

[steep tulip]

yeah uh

don't do this

[hallow beacon]

no!!!

😢

[steep tulip]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ubers-749726

if u wanna build TR

copy from the best (UWC replay)

kyogre on TR is not worth it this gen when you could be doing more fun things w/ the bear season 3

Darkceus is a fine shout

[hallow beacon]

well at least i wasnt that far off

[hallow beacon]

gotcha

is it fine to run l99 l98

like i dont miss any benchmarks, do i?

[steep tulip]

on what, the setters?

I think it's usually not worth it unless you're ladder cteaming

[hallow beacon]

kinda what im doing :3

cause im seeing a lot of tr rn

some players run l99 basc

[steep tulip]

as I said u can opt in for sth like darkceus over cress

and check it that way

this isn't vgc; you get to keep all 6 of your mons

[hallow beacon]

is endeavor jet even good btw, got it from team bazaar and they said its something about dealing with setup

[steep tulip]

dying to the roll that does not exist at level 100 is always ugly

[hallow beacon]

i assume if something can setup safely on it somehow u can endeavor jet?

but a sub set looks good too

[hallow beacon]

tho if i were to use cress, what would the other 2 moves be

so like tr suicide move

what else

[steep tulip]

moonlight ib

or moonlight twave

or twave ib

[hallow beacon]

https://pokepast.es/f2638d61dcea8420

[celest barn]

I wanted to build a team around Basculegion
https://pokepast.es/85fca5ab5d754482

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder fox]

erm you have the right idea supporting basc with webs but other than that this isn't it

[warped pier]

If you run Tera blast on Basc i suggest Tera fighting

[cinder fox]

chi yu, cyclizar, and iceceus are unviable

ye and tera blast on basc should never be ghost

https://pokepast.es/4890df5b99e6149b

i'd recommend running this instead, it pulls off the webs idea much better and is more effective overall

[crude turtle]

Chi yu I wouldn’t say is unviable

The others are tho

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-meme-cook-gif-1177116184918006692

taka...

do not give advice like that

[celest barn]

Alright, will try that

[hallow beacon]

bump

[lost sable]

:gengarsob:

[coral laurel]

yo

[plucky rivet]

Who have good team for 8gen?

[gusty mesa]

https://pokepast.es/c881a8ae1bc62c02 i come to ask for help

[shut skiff]

New [Gen 9] Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude turtle]

@gusty mesa are u trying to build around cb korai specifically

truth be told this team would b better with scarf korai instead

[cinder fox]

^

[crude turtle]

i'd also make deo-a sball > espeed

slide over ice beam etc

[cinder fox]

i think you'd rather have defensive dd ndm over tr ndm here

maybe just me tho

[crude turtle]

i agree but i dont think its the wrost thing here

little awkward tho

[gusty mesa]

no not really

i was thinking cb korai to add a really strong breaker that appreciates its checks being worn down while being a very good foil to deoxys-attack

[cinder fox]

you'd def be better off going scarf korai in that case

[hallow beacon]

how do i improve my mu vs stall

im struggling even with ursa

am i just getting fished by otherwise bad stall teams on ladder that just happen to fuck over tr?

[crude turtle]

power anklet is cool

truth be told bruh ur using tr

tr sucks already and is a fish

you arent gonna beat stall with tr

maybe do lum>wp on ndm

wp kinda blows

u prob dont want low kick on luna right? surely better to go dark move

[hallow beacon]

ya

caly-ice users hate this one simple trick

[hallow beacon]

gotcha

[hallow beacon]

wtf... ill go back to webs then