Ubers

[sharp jolt]

oh yeah
did not change that oop

[crude turtle]

you can also make zacian sd stabs sub

better mu into ribombee webs

uh what else

tera ghost on korai is great for ekiller

especially on this team with a single phys wall

[sharp jolt]

does Clod handle Pex to compensate for Sub SD?

[crude turtle]

no but koraidon + taunt arceus can usually overwhelm it anywyas

korai 2hkos with scale hsot

[sharp jolt]

oh coolio

[crude turtle]

if it tera fairies then zacian wins anyways

hmm

actually

you might want ting lu + lando on this build instead

nvm

clod is fine

but prob lando ovder fdon

over don

bc its more offense

and ground immunes are nice

i think both are fine though

play around w it

lmk how it is

[sharp jolt]

alrighty
ty

[crude turtle]

np

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tired pulsar]

I believe this is only intended for ubers singles

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/a8879308c05624ce

[steep tulip]

HO can't run skeledirge because it's a huge momentum sink

also espathra is pretty much unviable; you're gonna have to commit to a playstyle

[potent hound]

so, should I replace them?

[steep tulip]

well are you looking to go into HO or something bulkier

tera blast flying is also super mid at best

[potent hound]

hyper offensive

[steep tulip]

then yeah you'd have to replace the skeledirge and probably the espathra

[potent hound]

with what pokemon tho?

[potent hound]

I did have Drige on the team to kinda counter mons like set up sweepers ig

I still have alot to learn about this game

[steep tulip]

I g2g rn but I have a member of council coming to aid

[jolly idol]

hello

ok so I assume u want some tips for ur team right

Let me see

ok there’s some good ideas

and some not good

as lasen said

u can’t run skeledire on HO

you’ll try to offensively check zacian

by the help of sticky

and ur own zacian

basically

[jolly idol]

sub > tera blast on zacian

You keep the same tera and just can sub for free on every grounds

it’s appreciable

Miraidon lo could be a thing

but I would still suggest

boots with taunt

to maintain sticky and it helps to break most of his common check

and open the field for the rest of ur team

so boots mirai with electro dpulse taunt cm and tera bug

to resist low kick and every grounds move in general

Ekiller is great

u want silk scarf > lefto

for damages on bikes mainly

espathra is kinda funny so I give u that one

try electric seed > lefties

and tera blast fight over dgleam

[frigid palm]

or wild charge to beat pex

[jolly idol]

You can go wild also

if u play wild im gonna suggest tera steel

resist opposite zacians

[frigid palm]

lmao what no

[jolly idol]

and KO lando

[jolly idol]

I swear this is a classical set

most played set atm

[frigid palm]

on HO you want draco and tera fairy/dragon

[jolly idol]

nah u generally don’t want Draco meteor

[frigid palm]

bug is not good like at all ur much better off just running fairy or dragon

[jolly idol]

cuz Miraidon here is more like an offensive support

to ur others mon

[frigid palm]

you dont break clod without draco

and its a much better power level in general

[jolly idol]

you do

taunt once

cm

dpulse

[frigid palm]

if you want that then its better to just run u turn over cm then

[jolly idol]

and u have a free shot to set up ur espathra

[frigid palm]

esp sucks too lmao

[jolly idol]

it doesn’t

I found vert playing espathra sticky

yesterday on the ladder

I would love continue this debate but I have things to do rn

Hmu later if u still have questions

[frigid palm]

okay?? doesnt change the fact that its still pretty bad

[frigid palm]

okay

[jolly idol]

I said it doesn’t

It’s surely for a reason

[frigid palm]

again

[jolly idol]

try the things I suggested

then go back to me

[frigid palm]

doesnt change the fact it sucks

[jolly idol]

u should give it a try

before saying

it sucks

[frigid palm]

its readily apparent that its mid at best

[jolly idol]

it’s Ubers for a reason

it’s not the best mon to play on the meta

but a team axed on espa could works p well

[frigid palm]

yeah thats cuz its too good for ou

[potent hound]

uhhh

[frigid palm]

it sucks in the current meta

[jolly idol]

it doesn’t sucks again

[frigid palm]

you could argue it was decent pre home but certainly not anymore

[jolly idol]

it’s like C+ on VR

[frigid palm]

yeah thats

[jolly idol]

same as pao chi yu

[frigid palm]

mid at best

[jolly idol]

cres

[potent hound]

am I witnessing a argument

[frigid palm]

and both of those arent good

[jolly idol]

im not saying it’s top tier bro

it’s usable

[frigid palm]

not worth it tbh

[jolly idol]

I don’t really get ur point

it is

[frigid palm]

my point is that theres quite a few mons that do esps job more consistently

[jolly idol]

like which one

go on

[frigid palm]

espathra is supposedly good

so is tera bug on mirai

[jolly idol]

yeah

for the reason

I exposed

[frigid palm]

cm mirai, cm fairyceus, cm groundceus, just off the top of my head

[potent hound]

I think I should

[jolly idol]

that’s not the same utility

[potent hound]

send my team again

[jolly idol]

ok hear me out

[frigid palm]

its literally just calm mind sweepers what are you on

[jolly idol]

you’ll fix ur team

accordingly

with what I said

and if u still have any problems

you’ll go back to me

[jolly idol]

you’ll speak better than that

Im not ur bro

[frigid palm]

????

[jolly idol]

keep quiet

[frigid palm]

dawg if i find something to be stupid im gonna call it out

[potent hound]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-sad-gif-14267375184453957056

[jolly idol]

Espathra isn’t a cm sweeper like others

it boosting his speed

winning against ekiller

and others cmer

cuz of stored power

[jolly idol]

that’s the point kid

[frigid palm]

LMAO WHAT

[jolly idol]

with +1 def

it does

yes

@steep tulip i hope ur not dealing with these kids every day

I would be tired

I did the job

Im leaving u with this

[frigid palm]

+1 0 SpA Espathra Stored Power (100 BP) vs. 200 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 139-165 (32.2 - 38.2%) -- 96.7% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. +1 152 HP / 244+ Def Espathra: 109-129 (29.5 - 34.9%) -- 10.7% chance to 3HKO

arceus just sds and espeeds twice

[jolly idol]

good luck !

[cinder fox]

i can take over for ya big bro

if you want

[jolly idol]

then espa is koaing with stored

[jolly idol]

yeah do it

Idk who’s this nerd

but I’m not dealing with this

[frigid palm]

espathra doesnt kill arc before arc kills it lmao

[jolly idol]

It does after 2 cm

zzz

[frigid palm]

do you really wanna defend a stance of "espathra beats ekiller and other cmers" and "tera bug dpulse mirai is the most used set"

[jolly idol]

it’s the most used set

[frigid palm]

okay i dont like using this as an argument point but at this point i genuinely dont know, what's your elo

[jolly idol]

in sticky

U can check

scl usages

[steep tulip]

Man I'm trying to do sth

[jolly idol]

…

[steep tulip]

please calm down inder

don't pull an exiline and go insane

[cinder fox]

okay so first of all

[cinder fox]

as mentioned dirge doesn’t fit on webs and esp is unviable

second korai is near mandatory on ho imo

in truly exceptional cases it MIGHT be fine to drop but I wouldn’t recommend it

also agree with inder that wild charge > tera blast on zac

[potent hound]

so, who should I replace on my team?

[cinder fox]

both dirge and esp

with korai first off

[jolly idol]

if he wants to

he can keep espa

[cinder fox]

idt esp fits on webs either ngl

[jolly idol]

it does

at +1 u outspeed every mons

except bikes scarf

u can invest a lot on bulk

phase with roost

and sweep cuz you would have prepared the field for it

[potent hound]

so koraidon replaces drige?

[jolly idol]

yes

you can use the classic scale shot set

sd tera ghost

fix ur weakness to ekiller

[cinder fox]

^

i would never recommend esp to anyone so here’s an idea

you could try something like cm flutter > esp

helps even further with the ekiller issue

likes korai’s sun, threatening sweeper in and of itself, much more consistent, etc.

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/f2346278228de97a

how does it look now?

[cinder fox]

wild charge > sub on zac and cm > sub on flutter

you also want stun spore over imprison on ribombee

while i don’t necessarily hate sub on mirai i like taunt more in that slot

[jolly idol]

actually I don’t want stun on flutter

U want qd and psychic

sub miraidon Lo

without

parabolic charge

Isn’t a set

ur just losing health for free at this point

[cinder fox]

right that too

you want parabolic charge > drift

[potent hound]

actually the team kinda suffer to hazards

especially toxic spikes

[cinder fox]

try this out: https://pokepast.es/80d06389642d7dc8

implemented all the changes

[potent hound]

thanks

I do also wanna make like a balanced team for Ubers too

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/2b484d246ba1a93b

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent hound]

I am going for a balanced team with this one

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/ed213c17709db66e

calyrex-ice is very fun

not sure if i should ping cause the last rate was five hours ago so i'm just gonna wait ig lmfao

[frigid palm]

Seems pretty solid, though idt you need both dozo and dirge

Volc is pretty unviable though

[frigid palm]

Physdef lu is kinda ass when the best physical sweeper in the game is a fighting type lol

Id say drop lu and just run offense

[empty bridge]

Physdef lu was not intended and a misimput lmfao

But alright lol

What do i run over it

[frigid palm]

Maybe mirai

Cm taunt lo or taunt u turn boots

[empty bridge]

...good call

[frigid palm]

And mayyybe swap eterns current set for something less passive

The funny fire spin cosmic power set is a possible alternative but i would say probably boots offensive support

Zacian could also be a good addition to the team if you want it over etern but i would advise against it

[empty bridge]

Yeah same

Etern and kyogre are like

Mostly kyogre but etern too because it doesnt really care about being too fast

But they can pick off trick room while not being useless outside of trick room

[frigid palm]

Etern loses to bear though

And kyogre cant do much vs opposing ogre

[empty bridge]

True

But my point is they can actually pick it off if they need to

[frigid palm]

Fair

[empty bridge]

@crude turtle if you could give some further help lol

[crude turtle]

Wassup

[crude turtle]

I’m out rn I’ll do it later today

[empty bridge]

Alright

Bet ty lol

[crude turtle]

ok uh

im actually okay with this tbh

obviously ya spdef ting but like

this isnt a bad 6

you need a fairy and a ground on every team

mirai over ting is horrible imo

groundless in this meta is not great

if you want you could go gliscor over ting

u could also do clod + lando/glisc over etern ting but i think this team is fine as is with spdef ting

[frigid palm]

Oh yeah just realised there wouldnt be a ground lmao

My bad

[empty bridge]

Ayo

Ok im proud of myself

Thanks lmao

Also sorry for late response it was 1 am when you spoke lol

[crude turtle]

Np

[steep tulip]

bot stopped tagging me

Joewari da

[empty bridge]

Insane

[crude turtle]

Got replaced by Oreo lgi

[tawdry estuary]

Wait why don't I have the team rater role

I signed up for that

[empty bridge]

Rejected

👍

[tawdry estuary]

Idk if I was ever even being considered, I got no feedback at all at any point

[empty bridge]

Ah

Idk lol

[tawdry estuary]

Yea I have no idea what's going on

Prolly nothing tbh

[balmy swan]

https://pokepast.es/3efdf177b9ad6876 Is this team good? How can I improve it?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid palm]

wild charge>tera blast on zacian

u turn>vswitch on mirai

[tawdry estuary]

no volt is better

[frigid palm]

huh

arent you just

[tawdry estuary]

at least on this team

[frigid palm]

blocked by clod/lu

[tawdry estuary]

you kill them in 2 dracos

[frigid palm]

its easier to pivot with u turn than vswitch

[tawdry estuary]

if you predict them might as well draco

[frigid palm]

its easier to just click u turn when theres a fairy on the team

which is pretty common

[tawdry estuary]

you're playing with 3 moveslots tho

if you are predicting them

go for dragon move

and kill them

if you uturn

you do 10%

and they have lefties

[frigid palm]

it actually does reasonable chip to lu

[tawdry estuary]

yea but why uturn and not draco

how is that better

and volt has a ton of very good implications

[frigid palm]

draco is a momentum sink if you predict wrong

[tawdry estuary]

i won a ton of games because of volt

[frigid palm]

u turn is safe in a lot of cases

[tawdry estuary]

yes but if you don't wanna predict why are you using specs

this is the whole point of specs

[tawdry estuary]

safely doing 0%

then you're better off with scarf or pivot

[frigid palm]

i mean sure but how is vswitch any better

[frigid palm]

and pivoting out

its less risky

at least till you can start spamming buttons

[tawdry estuary]

it defeats the point of specs

[frigid palm]

again

[tawdry estuary]

volt helps when you don't wanna stay locked in electric move

[frigid palm]

how is vswitch better in this context

[tawdry estuary]

let's say they have dd groundy in the back

and you wanna nail a kyogre with electric move

you click volt and switch out

or more commonly

they don't have a ground type

and your electric move is super effective

if you stay in

they bring in their mirai and set up

if you volt you get a kill and initative

[frigid palm]

i guess, but idk ive always preferred u turn

[tawdry estuary]

in this context draco is better

is what i'm saying

and in a lot of other contexts

uturn is useless while volt can win you games on its own

if you don't wanna predict don't use specs

now that gliscor is here especially

agree on the wild charge thing tho

wild charge > tera blast

[tawdry estuary]

the team is pretty good, but you could improve it for sure

first of all, you have 5 pokemon weak to ice

so changing the arceus form is definitely smart

and secondly i would suggest clodsire > eternatus

you keep the kyogre check and poison typing but you also have a mirai switchin now

you don't really have speed control, so running scarf on one of mirai or korai is advisable

if you want your arceus to be a calm mind variant, you can change it to arceus fairy

one thing you should keep in mind is that you're pretty weak to webs

ah one more thing is that you definitely want roar > protect on groudon

that groudon set was made before roar became available

this should definitely upgrade your team

[balmy swan]

https://pokepast.es/3c55ea855e92aeb1 Updated my team.

[half python]

https://pokepast.es/b1f2c366f29a0309 @ivory jolt

here

[ivory jolt]

Ah... Ubers.

The issue with this is that a) I don't know much about Ubers and as of right now in SV the best possible route to stall in is OU

I can already tell you that a lot of this will be critiqued by someone more well versed in Ubers stall

[half python]

can you judge it like it was in ou?

[ivory jolt]

Well then you'd have to repost this in SV OUs rater chat

Since here it will be gauged by Ubers metagame standards

[half python]

o

oki

[ivory jolt]

👍

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/d684b75772481f78

[cinder fox]

we don’t rate natdex ubers

you’re better off heading to the natdex non-ou tiers thread for ndubers help

[frigid palm]

uh

i think i can safely say this is not a good stall team in any way

or just a good team in general

most mons here arent viable, and the couple that are have pretty bad sets

id suggest checking out the VR and the team bazaar to check out teams and see whats good and what isnt

[half python]

Yea ik

[crude turtle]

I like this tho my suggestion would be Tera fly Zac potentially (already a somewhat ground weak team)

[stiff marsh]

https://pokepast.es/8c7d008c4200202c

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude turtle]

@stiff marsh what is this team built around

[stiff marsh]

I’m ngl it was mainly just “haha E-killer” and I liked Zacian

It got me to 1300, but I kinda fell

[crude turtle]

We can work around ekiller + zacian + whatever

Big thing is that shifu is not good

[stiff marsh]

No that was the team with groudon, not kyogre

[crude turtle]

This team seems like you want to be HO

[stiff marsh]

What’s HO

[crude turtle]

Just hyper offense where you setup and keep attacking

You don’t switch much and don’t have defensive Pokémon

This team has no defensive Pokémon so I’ll keep it that way

[stiff marsh]

HO it is

[crude turtle]

I think the best way to work w this is dropping flutter + shifu

For Koraidon + a hazard lead

Hazard lead could be ribombee or glimmora

Whatever you prefer

[stiff marsh]

Glimmora seems better

[crude turtle]

Sure we could work w that

Koraidon @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Jolly Nature

• Scale Shot
• Swords Dance
• Flare Blitz
• Low Kick

Koraidon set would be this

[stiff marsh]

Noted

[crude turtle]

For Koraidon

Miraidon*

You generally want a boosting move on these teams

If ur running LO I suggest a LO agility set

Miraidon @ Life Orb
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Agility
• Dragon Pulse
• Electro Drift
• Calm Mind

Smth like this

With draco plate if u want instead

[stiff marsh]

It depends on when I test it

[crude turtle]

Zacian set is not good

You want swords dance

Fire fang hits nothing

[stiff marsh]

Yeah I realized that

[crude turtle]

Best set is sd stabs substitute/wild charge

With Tera fly or steel

[cinder fox]

Water can also work if you want

If you wanna guarantee the 1v1 vs enemy zac

[crude turtle]

Steel does that too btw

[stiff marsh]

True true but sacred sword

[crude turtle]

No point in it

[cinder fox]

it is not good

[crude turtle]

You have CC

[stiff marsh]

Aw

[crude turtle]

If you really want that

Close combat or sub or wild charge are the good options

[stiff marsh]

Cc would be better than ss

[crude turtle]

Ya

[cinder fox]

I think you don’t want cc

You don’t have the biggest ekiller issues since you have flutter zac and your own ekiller

[stiff marsh]

Yeah I counter ekiller pretty well

I always win those mirrors

[crude turtle]

https://pokepast.es/8ae5d7f91398a458

This is what I’d do

[stiff marsh]

I’ll take it and test it

Thanks a lot

Just in case, what would a ribombee set look like

With sticky web

[crude turtle]

Web moonblast stun spore tailwind/psychic

Max speed max spatk timid

[stiff marsh]

Thanks again

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/3cf9d7db94a437bb

ho because i felt like it, flutter mane i'm skeptical about, thought it could be good synergy if korai drops (right after) but it's unorthodox so unsure

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude turtle]

i wouldnt run specs on these

lo or cm or smth like that, bc you have no defensive core to fallback on if flutter gets lcoked into smth

[empty bridge]

non-specs mane is real?

[crude turtle]

yea its not that rare

[empty bridge]

i just went with the default set lol

[crude turtle]

LO 4a and cm are things that exist

[empty bridge]

gamer

i'll go lorb 4a because i doubt i'm gonna be getting flutter to setup much

[crude turtle]

this team seems rly zac weak though

[empty bridge]

that's

suddenly true

[crude turtle]

well

i mean its HO

but you probably want groundy here on screens

[empty bridge]

it can be dealt with by tera korai or flutter if korai drops

oh shit

groundceus is a good call

phys or special?

[crude turtle]

either works but phys prob nice here

[empty bridge]

oki

ty

[crude turtle]

could run smth like this

Ability: Multitype  
Tera Type: Fairy  
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Dragon Dance  
- Earthquake  
- Substitute  
- Ice Beam```

evs for sub not to break from glisc eq

[empty bridge]

ice beam

[crude turtle]

ye

[empty bridge]

what is that being used for

gliscor?

[crude turtle]

lando / gliscor

also fly zac

[empty bridge]

ah good

does it 2hko fly zac?

[crude turtle]

proabbyl not

[empty bridge]

0- SpA Arceus-Ground Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Flying Zacian-Crowned: 122-144 (37.5 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

naughty doesnt help anyway so ig thats fine lol

ty

[cinder fox]

it's actually quite common

from what i've seen lo taunt is most common

[empty bridge]

also isn't maybe 112 speed better on groundy

[empty bridge]

oh cool

lol

[empty bridge]

outspeed scarf korai at +2

[crude turtle]

what for

[cinder fox]

you wanna outspeed base 90s unboosted

[crude turtle]

oh i mean

[empty bridge]

niche yeah but korai ain't one tapping you anyway so just don't send out on it

[crude turtle]

sure u can do that

idt it matters

[empty bridge]

it's pretty niche ig

[crude turtle]

i put this on webs anyways so it wasnt that deep but you can for sure do that

just take out of attack if ur doing that

[empty bridge]

ah ok

is there a roll for hp?

[crude turtle]

ya glisc eq doesnt break sub w that hp

if you wanna take out of hp just drop sub for taunt / recover or smth

[empty bridge]

ohhhh cool

nah i can take it out of atk

+2 236+ Atk Earth Plate Arceus-Ground Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Koraidon: 355-418 (104.1 - 122.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

yeah it's prolly worth it

[crude turtle]

thats

kinda low

it barely ohkos at +2

wack

[empty bridge]

no yeah but my point is that it doesn't

change anything

[crude turtle]

ya i got u

[empty bridge]

korai switches in as you setup
you setup again as it attacks you once then you 1 tap with eq

lol!

alright thanks

i'm kinda in a hurry here but thanks both of you lol

[crude turtle]

np

[outer kite]

https://pokepast.es/ec24aacf3ef08970

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[outer kite]

My latest attempt at HO after watching Pinkacross’s latest video

[steep tulip]

Pink talked about OU not Ubers and you're running some real suspect Pokemon here.

[outer kite]

It’s more of an inspiration innit let’s not talk specifics

[steep tulip]

I can't really say that this even is HO; you have a Gliscor and a Gholdengo on it

and 2 unviable Pokemon in Volcarona and Iron Valiant, neither of which I'd ever suggest adding to a team.

[outer kite]

We’ll drop those then and start over

[steep tulip]

Well that only leaves us with Koraidon and Miraidon which, while good, can make the team go in any which way.

[outer kite]

We’ll push HO

[steep tulip]

Referencing Pink's video you actually can see that he breaks down the HO archetypes into screens, webs, and lead + sweepers

[outer kite]

Any good suicide leads in Ubers?

[steep tulip]

(terrain isn't good in Ubers outside of Bundle being OK and Protosynthesis boosting FM)

[outer kite]

Sticky web sounds good

[steep tulip]

yeah I'd say you can do prolly same leads as OU

Bee and Glimmora

[outer kite]

Aight then

[steep tulip]

sets are just different because of different metagame.

https://pokepast.es/8b8e56daa6da1a45

[outer kite]

I can work with this

[steep tulip]

Here's a tried and tested HO with a double lead; you can use it as a stepping stone to build something that is more to your liking. Make sure your team doesn't lose to Zacian-C, the two bikes, Ekiller and Groundceus then tag me again if you want me to take a look.

Or just run the team itself; it's a solid team.

[outer kite]

So mostly just watch out for those when I’m on the ladder is what you mean

[steep tulip]

I moreso meant if you build your team that's the opposing HO mons people usually forget how to checks

[outer kite]

I gotta admit I’ve never seen expert belt on Ekiller

More used to seeing orb

This team looks good

Thanks

[outer kite]

Major ground weakness in the team but I can probably work around them

[outer kite]

@steep tulip could theoretically swap out memento on glim for explosion

How’s that realistically

[cinder fox]

boom doesn’t do a lotta damage coming from glimm

[outer kite]

Found out the hard way

Was worth a shot

[crude turtle]

the stat drop is more important

lets you bring in smth to setup

[outer kite]

@steep tulip hey, the team you gave me is working pretty well. Just a bit hard to deal with ground types. Skill issue or is there something I can do about it?

[steep tulip]

idea is that you can use tera flying on your two breakers and overwhelm them

you could do a typical scale shot Koraidon which doesn't get worn down as easily

but in general HO struggles to find ground resists this gen

[outer kite]

Could I make one of the sweepers tera blast water?

[steep tulip]

I mean yeah

prolly zacian so you retain behemoth blade resistance

[outer kite]

I don’t really see a use for cc on zacian where I’m at now

I’ll probably test it out

Somehow it seems easier to hazard control in ubers than OU

Dengo problems yk

[steep tulip]

I don't

I fullstall in OU

[outer kite]

Jesus

[steep tulip]

but I get the spirit of your message

👍

[outer kite]

How about Tera blast ice? Is that viable in the team?

[steep tulip]

you almost never want to run tera ice cause you only use it for grounds anyways

so the shitty defensive profile is actively detrimental

koraidon/miraidon/zacian all can hit dragon-types and have no issue with flying-types

so it offers very little outside of "the mid-ground play is always tera blast"

[outer kite]

Makes sense

Tera water sounds good

[opaque gate]

Please my first Ubers team
https://pokepast.es/9143b189d62ab3e7

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lime prairie]

unfortunately this just isn't viable for the ubers tier

the only really usable pokemon you have is rayquaza

but all the others are pretty much unviable entirely

either due to being outclassed or just not strong enough

[opaque gate]

Got it thank you
I'm building this team around Banded Rayquaza

[lime prairie]

to get an idea, this is the current viability rankings, rayquaza sits comfortably in B rank while the other don't make the cut at all https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings-post-home.3724082/

if anything rayquaza would be the mon to keep

set would need to be tweaked but it can work

[empty bridge]

while the team itself is 100% unviable, rayquaza is very viable

if you want to use rayquaza we can 100% get you a team with it

then i'd suggest play around with it to get a hold of the meta

when you think you understand it better feel free to remake/build another team

(well, you can feel free to do whatever you want, but that's competitive advice here lol)

[cinder fox]

I don’t recommend Band Ray, its speed issue is just too insurmountable

If you wanna use a good Rayquaza team I would recommend the CCAT from last week: #archive-totw-live-tours message

[crude turtle]

Band ray is viable enough tbh

That’s not smth I’d discourage

If you want an example of a band ray team you could try this

Um

Nope

https://pokepast.es/90d2f9ea7a82753e

[lime prairie]

So true

[lost sable]

https://pokepast.es/2e0d11a3514f35ed did i cook too hard

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost sable]

dude

@shut skiff

ah thanks

[steep tulip]

looks fine tbf

[lost sable]

its just meant to be dd groundy webs by the way

[steep tulip]

maybe give gren a real tera type

[lost sable]

if any major changes have to happen

[steep tulip]

why overheat ray and not eq

[lost sable]

ah right

threw it on before i had mirai (corv lure)

uhh does it matter for the stall mu?

[steep tulip]

not really no

but you sometimes will miss overheat vs sth like zacian

and then it's rough

[lost sable]

is there a gren that beats bee btw

[steep tulip]

especially because webs kinda force you to tera something

yes if you do like

gunk shot + water shuriken

or sth

lol

[lost sable]

2 slots

hmm

gunk/shruiken/spikes/taunt

could work ngl

[steep tulip]

252 SpA Greninja Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ribombee: 168-198 (64.3 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (15 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ribombee: 84-102 (32.1 - 39%) -- approx. 98.3% chance to 3HKO

this is the issue

[lost sable]

96 on 2 min rolls

dire

actually

im bad at maths

but is 2 bad rolls more common than 20% miss?

[potent hound]

my attempt at making a stall team https://pokepast.es/8cfda9637592780f

[daring fjord]

How can I improve my Gen 11 NU team
https://pokepast.es/a188bb81e168327c

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lime prairie]

on smth like this I’d normally go boots mirai scarf korai

Having smth faster than dd arc and zac is really important rn

And you’re super weak to opposing spikes stack with 0 boots

Another glisc can really just sit on this forever

I also don’t think cm poisonceus is that guy, another arc just tera poisoning does the job better and doesn’t have coverage completely walled by glisc or steel gira

Not a huge groudon fan rn but it can work, I’d put spdef on one of it or glisc tho

Helps vs mirai

Instead of doubling up the role

Alternatively clod or ting can do similar

[daring fjord]

so what's a better arc type

[lime prairie]

Fairy’s the safe bet

Another dragon check and just good mon

[daring fjord]

Alright

[lime prairie]

Even something like ekiller pivoting to a more offensive build could work

Little weird but roar > tect don can force progress and open it up

But ye fairy probably more consistent and keeps the cm role

[daring fjord]

so how much spdef do I invest

on don

[lime prairie]

I don’t remember the exact calcs but I don’t think it’s too much to live specs mirai draco

Maybe like 100 or so

But double check

[daring fjord]

I'd prefer full physdef on Gliscor to prevent myself from getting my shit rocked by ddance archround

[lime prairie]

the most common last on dd arc ground is ice beam rn

Or at least top 2 most common

You can tera outta that ofc but almost any gliscor set can beat dd arc ground without ice beam

Unless you’re like max spdef vs dd taunt gravity

Which isn’t really a scenario but it’s not impossible

[daring fjord]

it's 240 without stealth rock

with careful nature

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 240 HP / 240+ SpD Groudon: 339-400 (84.5 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[lime prairie]

That’s a lot more than I remember

Maybe just ev for normal draco then if you don’t wanna commit to that bulky

[daring fjord]

all that just to miss pBlades anyways

anyways gen 11 NU is a lot of fun and I hope RU lets Ambipom drop this time thanks

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/ae1c686c2bc7649f

Groundceus offense

Mewtwo is very heavy filler because i had zero clue who to put as last and yall dont rate incomplete, 100% willing to change

3 choices also feels a bit ehhh so i'm willing to change that, just wanna keep "groundceus" and "offense"

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude turtle]

This is weird

[empty bridge]

Gotta brb for like 10 mins but drop your thoughts and ping lol

[crude turtle]

It looks like HO

Bc there’s a bunch of sweepers and zero defensive core

[empty bridge]

Isnt offense the same as ho

Or am i stupid or something

[crude turtle]

Offnese has bulkier mons too like lando gliscor etc

[empty bridge]

Isnt that bo-

[cinder fox]

don’t use gravity groundy

[crude turtle]

That is offense

[cinder fox]

it’s only suitable for a tour setting

[empty bridge]

Wait

[crude turtle]

Well offense is overarching

[empty bridge]

There are three of them

I'm

[crude turtle]

offense covers ho and Bo

[empty bridge]

Oh

Yeah i meant to say ho i'm

[crude turtle]

I’m just saying this isn’t a good BO or ho it’s a weird in between

[empty bridge]

Not used to the terminology

[crude turtle]

I would make mirai cm LO

And make mewtwo some suicide lead

[empty bridge]

I thought of cm lo for a moment

[crude turtle]

And then it’s prob fine

[empty bridge]

Mewtwo was a filler

I had absolutely zero idea who to use

[crude turtle]

Unlike what Oreo says up there, Gravity groundy is alright even on ladder

[empty bridge]

Also by cm lo you mean

Only CM or double Dance?

[crude turtle]

Either works

[empty bridge]

The disagreement is wild

[cinder fox]

cm taunt pcharge draco imo

[crude turtle]

It’s not that bad

[cinder fox]

with life orb

[empty bridge]

Oki

[crude turtle]

Play around w electro drift as well

Whatever feels best

I don’t run parabolic at all but it’s a good option

[empty bridge]

I'll do both ait

[cinder fox]

I tend to prefer pcharge for the healing offsetting life orb

[empty bridge]

Well both as in

[cinder fox]

but drift is fine too

[empty bridge]

Try each at a time

[crude turtle]

Can also do

Cm agility dragon pulse drift draco plate

Tera dragon

[empty bridge]

That seems

Interesting

Also what lead would you guys recommend

[cinder fox]

i feel like double dance wants lefites or eseed

[empty bridge]

I havent played with leads in an year

[cinder fox]

glimmora

100%

[empty bridge]

Ok bet

[crude turtle]

Nah dd is fine

Without thise

Glimm or bee ya

Best leads atm

[cinder fox]

bee idt is exactly ideal here

since your team isn’t slow

[empty bridge]

I was gonna say that

Yeah

This team doesnt benefit from webs much

Except maybe mirai

[crude turtle]

Nah it still benefits completely fine

The big thing webs does

[empty bridge]

Well yea everything does

[crude turtle]

Is just prevent scarf korai

From beating ur shit

[empty bridge]

Oh true

[crude turtle]

Webs doesn’t mean u gotta run slow shit

But you can

[empty bridge]

Also do correct me if i'm wrong

But with no rain nor sun abusers other than the setters

There's no problem in doing

Both kyogre and korai right?

[cinder fox]

yes

even if you have a flutter tho

double weather is still fine

[crude turtle]

Nope

[cinder fox]

since flutter is a good mon on its own

[crude turtle]

You can run it fine

[empty bridge]

Bet

Ok so

[crude turtle]

If u want u can also do cm over scarf but scarf works fine on this too

[empty bridge]

Glim/groundceus/kyogre/mirai/korai/zac

Anything else to change?

[cinder fox]

this is fine

[crude turtle]

Nah that’s ok

Should be fine

[empty bridge]

Ok ty

Last question

CC zac or

Wild charge or tera blast

[cinder fox]

this has ekiller issues since only resist is zac

so i’d say cc

[empty bridge]

Ah true

Also the million dollar post last questiob

Tera fire or ghost korai

If yall give diff answers ima jump out my window

(Joke)

[cinder fox]

either is fine

try both out and see what works

[empty bridge]

This was never made clear to me at all lmao i will probably test them both

Yeah

Ok ty lol

[dark lichen]

https://pokepast.es/0575789190ca8558 can you rate my team :D

national dex ubers btw

[empty bridge]

#1060037469472555028

Lol

[coral onyx]

Long story short it sucks

Most if not all struggles with the meta

either try Nat dex ou for a better chance (not that the team would work but eh) or scrap your team and make a new one for nat dex ubers

[empty bridge]

(I did not check the team)

(Now that I did yeah that's 100% true)

Even there this team just sadly doesn't work at all

Except mega charizard y and maybe garchomp

[crude turtle]

Those guys suck too but also

Go to natdex for this

We don’t do natdex

[dark lichen]

it doesnt suck :(

its at least got me 1200 in ubers :(

[dark lichen]

and i couldnt even find nat dex non ou >:(

[coral onyx]

that's extreme low ladder

Most people there are gonna use weak or gimmicky teams

[obtuse basin]

im new to ubers can anyone rate my team and tell me what changes i should make, and how to use it properly?

https://pokepast.es/befed6d398e9fb54

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

do you have a VGC/BSS background

because this gives me that vibe

[obtuse basin]

no i dont

[steep tulip]

to be blunt this isn't really viable; amoongus, urshifu-r, iron hands are all completely unviable in Ubers

the tera type on Koraidon is also kind of not very good

that being said, a core of Koraidon/Flutter/Kimgambit can get you decently far with the right support

you can probably do a decent defensive core and do fine; sth like Landorus-T + Clodsire + Arceus-Water, for example

though that team does struggle a bit w/ raw speed control which is why I'd maybe make the Koraidon into a Scarf set

[obtuse basin]

alright, so what terra type should koraidon have and what replacements do i make for amoongus, urshifu and iron hands if you dont mind

[steep tulip]

well I just told you a decent core that replaces the three

for koraidon it should either be fire or ghost; fire because it makes u resilient to fairy attacks while boosting flare blitz and ghost to dodge random extreme speed

[obtuse basin]

well i made some changes thanks to you, how does this look

https://pokepast.es/aedde11da21b57b4

[steep tulip]

yeah make clodsire water absorb and tera steel @obtuse basin

and stone edge lando-t or taunt

taunt for opposing ground-types trying to set up hazards, stone edge for tera flying zacian-c

water absorb>unaware because unaware ignores stat drops, too, meaning specs miraidon gets to click draco and kill u

[obtuse basin]

alright ty man

[untold cove]

pls rate my team

Flutter Mane @ Life Orb
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Calm Mind
• Thunderbolt

Ribombee (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Shield Dust
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sticky Web
• Moonblast
• Stun Spore
• Skill Swap

Miraidon @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Draco Meteor
• Electro Drift
• Calm Mind
• Flash Cannon

Arceus-Ground @ Earth Plate
Ability: Multitype
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Earthquake
• Recover
• Tera Blast

Zacian-Crowned @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Behemoth Blade
• Play Rough
• Tera Blast

Koraidon @ Life Orb
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Drain Punch
• Swords Dance
• Dragon Claw
• Flame Charge

[coral onyx]

Pokepaste when

that way raters can edit your team easily if necessary

[cinder fox]

Okay, firstly PLEASE put this into a pokepaste format next time, this was painful to read

Secondly, while the basic composition is perfectly fine, some of the moves are... very much not.

For example, idk why you have Thunderbolt over Mystical Fire or Psyshock on Flutter, the latter two moves help Flutter to break targets it normally can't.

I have no idea what Skill Swap Ribombee is supposed to do. Part of the reason Ribombee is so good is because of Shield Dust. You'd definitely rather give up that slot for something like Tailwind. Also, while I understand what you're trying to do with Tera Ghost, no one actually uses Rapid Spinners. I'd change to Tera Steel so you can block Glimmora's Mortal Spin on occasion.

[untold cove]

https://pokepast.es/099bbabc13972495

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder fox]

This Miraidon set is weird in the sense that I feel like it's trying to be too many things at once. Flash Cannon in particular is absolutely nonsensical, it hits literally nothing in this meta.

I'd probably change it to the LO Taunt CM set.

[steep tulip]

Adamant zacian-c :)

[cinder fox]

lasen istg why did you have to bring that up now i'm triggered

:(

but yeah change to jolly zacian-c

you need the speed when staring down a zacian out of webs

[untold cove]

cuz i didnt know what move would be at flash cannon's place

[cinder fox]

try this set

Miraidon @ Life Orb
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Electro Drift
• Draco Meteor
• Calm Mind
• Taunt

[untold cove]

imma do it right now

[cinder fox]

this thing gives you unparalleled breaking power

anyways arceus ground

So, DD Groundy is weird to me on webs, but I guess it's fine enough. What isn't fine is Tera Blast. You don't want to be committing to Tera on a single mon on webs, because all of your sweepers would also love to Tera themselves.

You definitely want Shadow Claw in that spot.

Tera Fire is fine tho

[untold cove]

ok

changed it

[cinder fox]

Oh, and since this is webs, you can definitely also afford to go slower than your current spread.

I'd put just 56 speed into groundy, which guarantees you can outspeed Zacian after webs.

Put the remaining EVs into HP

So like 200 HP, 252 Attack, 56 Speed, Adamant

[untold cove]

done

[cinder fox]

For zacian, same logic as Arceus, drop Tera Blast for Close Combat or Wild Charge

Idk definitively which is better so test both out and see what you like

I also prefer Tera Flying over Tera Fire here

Zacian loves being Ground immune and immune to stuff like webs

Helps to win the webs mirror

[untold cove]

ok

[cinder fox]

As for Koraidon, the dex set for Scale Shot Korai works better here. You can change Tera Ghost on that set to Tera Fire, as you have Flutter, Zacian, and a bulky Groundy to help with Ekiller.

[untold cove]

understood

[cinder fox]

https://pokepast.es/99e2231d8a5584ec

updated paste

[untold cove]

ok

but i think electro drift on miraidon would be better

but thanks

[cinder fox]

ye if you want you can go drift

i just personally like pcharge myself

[true musk]

I'm new to competitive pokemon and am creating a team on pokemon ultra sun (so only pokemon from this game).
Currently, I'm considering dusk mane necrozma, primal groudon, mega gengar, zygarde complete, xerneas and one more. I was wondering if anyone could offer alternative team members.
These are all the available legendaries: https://www.serebii.net/ultrasunultramoon/legendary.shtml
Magearna is also available.

[true musk]

https://pokepast.es/a3d61f6ba0f54f66

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

in-game teams with stipulations like "no moves from past gens" and "no pokemon from before this game's introduction" are hard to create because we're aiming to make it as competitive as possibl

no arceus is the one thats gonna hurt u the most

like, are you trying to compete against people with access to everything? people who are using the same ruleset as you?

please elaborate @true musk

[true musk]

Somone using the same ruleset as me, although I’m trying to make the team as competitive as possible.

[steep tulip]

sorry got busy with work; if I wanted to make your team work best I'd probably add a marshadow, make xerneas scarf, Groudon into RP 3 attacks and zygarde a defensive set

@true musk there's very few marshadow checks w/o arceus in the tier so it's good to have the best one in zygarde; scarf xerneas and mega gengar both are offensive checks and work well together

issue with SM is without arceus it's hard to check primal groudon, ultra necrozma, xerneas, mega mence all at once

so I am lowkey considering an yveltal instead of a marshadow

yeah that should be fine

[crystal arch]

https://pokepast.es/4c5c9f9e1530cc35 I am in the middle of building this team. I don't know what 6th pokemon I should use

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude turtle]

what is the main idea behind this team?

truth be told ninetales isnt viable and i wouldnt run flutter + bundle

but if u give me ur thought process i can give u suggesitons

[cinder fox]

i assume this team is trying to be dual screens ho

however these sets for korai, flutter, and mirai are subpar for that purpose at best

and neither alolan ninetales nor bundle are viable

[true musk]

I’m doing this in ultra sun so yvetal and marshadow aren’t available to me.

[crude turtle]

bundle is viable

like 100% viable at this point now

[wild tusk]

https://pokepast.es/01513df4d0acd814

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild tusk]

(Miradons Tera is now grass)

[lime prairie]

You don’t really want choice mons on HO

Or any more than 1 if you do

For webs

Mirai can be cm lo, double dance, or boots taunt for opposing HO

I’d probably say cm lo or boots tho

[cinder fox]

Korai > kyo 100%

I feel like on a team like this it's a waste not to use korai

scale shot in particular is very scary here

[lime prairie]

Espeed on groundceus isn’t really all too useful, taunt will help more mu’s

[cinder fox]

I'd also say you don't wanna run Caly on webs

This is prolly more of a personal thing

[lime prairie]

Caly is fine if it’s wanted to build around

It should just be double dance probably not cc

Zac I’d also consider wild charge > crunch since you have a lot of dirge pressure and tspikes mu is bad if pex can always set them up vs zac

And last few things are I’d put tera ghost on something, mirai or if you switch kyogre for korai then korai can be it too

And maybe psychic > imprison ribombee for glimm, or qd > imprison for sub zac

[cinder fox]

if the tspikes mu is unbearable for you tho

etern > caly is good imo

[fervent hare]

https://pokepast.es/29538966a9f6756a

SMUbers rate.
Wanted to build Kyurem White because it was my first ever Box Art, and so I have a very specific attachment to it.
So knowing it's viable in this tier, and that it's within the RoA ToM, I saw an opportunity to spend some quality time with my favorite Ice Type.
Still flip flopping between Specs and Life Orb Roost, but I do like Specs Dragon Pulse to 2HKO ArcWater while not becoming as exploitable with the Sp. Atk drops from Draco.

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fervent hare]

CM ArcGround MU looks pretty rough, but everything else looks at least playable from a bird's eye view.

Had Pyogre in a older version, but Marshadow was an idea to capitalize on all the cleaning opportunities Kyu-W generates while also helping break through SupportArcs.

[patent egret]

https://pokepast.es/fd5d31ac36e43d48 USUM Ubers

[outer kite]

Are UUbers rates accepted here?

[crude turtle]

No

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/ef58c1d90dabeff5 sm

[steep tulip]

I'll check in later

[steep tulip]

Samples here because honest to God this lacks direction or viable sets on half the team https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-old-gens-hub.3714123/post-9462706

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/187d61dfa78352a2 changed a bit cause latias sucks

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

Impish Yveltal is kinda dookey, Jolly is almost always better. Will-O-Wisp on Dragceus here doesn't do much because you're currently getting demolished by Mixed RP Don

Do Refresh instead

[opaque parrot]

yeah makes sense

i wasnt sure on which yveltal spread

[opaque parrot]

what do i change to not be demolished by it

[steep tulip]

Bulkier Dragceus is an OK check to either setup don. The real issue being able to see what set it because your Zygarde is a fine check to stuff like SpD but DD can be back breaking under some situations

You could do Waterceus with like Roar or sth which catches both

But it's a real bootleg check if the opponent clicks Precipice after an SD

[brave nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/98d6e77c37b57bd1

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brave nacelle]

I need help building a team, and I settled on this.

[steep tulip]

cant point you to samples but I'd only use zacian-c and rayquaza in current ubers

annihilape, palafin, volcarona, and palkia-o are all super duper underwhelming

[versed lava]

Not sure about drain punch + close combat tho

[versed lava]

Do you have specific Pokemon you want to play or you just want something competitive no matter the Pokemon ?

[brave nacelle]

Well, I’d like to use at least Zacian and Ray. I don’t really know about the other 4

I’d like a water and fire type however. I won’t use Kyroge

[crude turtle]

There’s no other good fire types in the tier

Outside of ogerpon h on webs

And

Arceus water is the only other water type that’s viable

[cinder fox]

Why not?

Kyogre is perfectly fine here

It and zac make for a core that's potent both offensively and defensively

If you wanna use zac I very much recommend using Kyogre

[brave nacelle]

I don’t want to use something that overused

[cinder fox]

we don't rate based on arbitrary restrictions

if your goal is to win then you wanna use the best mons, and the most used mons just so happen to be the best ones

(for the most part)

[brave nacelle]

ok. whats the best set for kyogre? @cinder fox

[cinder fox]

i think since you have zac and dd ray you can afford a cm set

or if you really wanna get extreme you can throw on scarf korai and make the kyo specs

in either case i definitely recommend scarf korai next

[brave nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/1da56ea4661076dd

my new team

[potent hound]

Can i post old gen ubers here?

[steep tulip]

yes

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/db76739e654df9b6 gen 7 ubers what do u guys think threatens this team (preferably ou mons or non leggies)

Im in an ubers vs ou tourney

[steep tulip]

remove shedinja and darkceus add mega salamence and waterceus and you're gold

[frigid palm]

arent you using zacian tho lol

[frigid palm]

i mean dirge is kinda good if you want a defensive fire

but other than that yeah lack of fires

[brave nacelle]

I put my new team up a few msgs ago.

[crude turtle]

It still has the issues we mentioned

The bottom half of the team is not good

Zacian wants sd over crunch, or sd over cc if you make it there fire

Tera

[brave nacelle]

The tournament I’m using doesn’t allow Tera

[brave nacelle]

Volc is my Zacian counter, but I need a replacement for Ape

[brave nacelle]

Prob an Arceus, but I don’t know which one

[potent hound]

Will they help me against yveltal and mega blaziken?

[steep tulip]

didn't you say you are playing some made up format where you face OU mons

Waterceus just kinda tanks hits and prolly can take jolly hjk from full from mega blaze

[rose cargo]

Ubers team, I am having some problems with stall so can anybody help?

https://pokepast.es/174baa25dc3ae73a

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rose cargo]

Do I need a perfect balance of special and physical to be balanced?

I dunno but a huge portion of my team gets walled by stall

And if I make it stallproof I lose to everything else

Please help

https://pokepast.es/174baa25dc3ae73a

Feel free do change any members, just make it work better

Or any moves

[cinder fox]

ok firstly you did post the same link twice, for future reference please don't

but second

✨specs kyogre✨ (over dirge)

oh but also some of the sets are not great

play rough > cc on zac for one

make the mirai cm lo taunt with drift > pcharge

make the groundy physdef cm (244 hp 244 defense bold 20 speed)

and change twave on gira to sneak

[brave nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/bcee20ebe4e66429

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.