Ubers

[empty bridge]

i thought of going with doubledance mirai instead

[cinder fox]

yes.

[empty bridge]

at the end i was just like "eh i'll send for rating ngl"

[cinder fox]

idk why you didn’t go dd mirai initially

[empty bridge]

me neither

anything else?

[cinder fox]

sd > cc on caly

glacial lance and high horsepower are enough

[empty bridge]

ah okay

yeah i sometimes felt the lack of sd

cc was mainly here for the ekiller matchup

but it's not like it ohko's anyway

also dragon pulse or dazzling gleam on mirai?

[cinder fox]

dpulse

[empty bridge]

aight

ty lol

[olive blade]

Aight; how bad is this?

[tawdry estuary]

it's not too bad actually

but there are some changes you can make to improve this

on ogerpon you should replace spiky shiel with swords dance

and on corviknight you want to use a physically defensive spread (max def with a defense boosting nature)

also uturn > bulk up

iron bundle is not recommended for use in the current ubers meta so you should probably replace it with a dedicated miraidon check like ting lu or clodsire (I'd go clodsire here because opposing fairyceus can be a problem and you can abosrb tspike)

since you already have hazard control with corviknight you should replace great tusk in order to not get swept by zacian

landorus t should work here

[tawdry estuary]

you can use spikes on clod/ting lu and rocks on lando

and lastly arceus

the standard calm mind set should be fine

Arceus-Fairy @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 120 Def / 16 SpA / 124 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Judgment
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind
• Recover

@olive blade

[olive blade]

@tawdry estuary something like this?

[tawdry estuary]

Sorry forgot to check discord, but ye

You can also consider making Mirai or Lando scarf

Ah and use standard Tera types

So poison or water on fairyceus and steel on clod

[olive blade]

Tera existing is actually why I no longer use Black Sludge lol

[olive blade]

Done.

[ionic parcel]

Any professionals tier ubers gen8 tier available?

[lost sable]

i can attempt, what do u need help with

[frigid palm]

Specs miraidon is based, however everything else isnt too good

Lando is too slow to be threatening in ubers, if you want an offensive ground i would recommend arc ground

Both ogerpon and annihilape are mostly univable as well, would recommend a defensive core if ur building balance, something like ting lu + toxapex

Or skeledirge + ting lu/clodsire

Giratina o is also good cuz defog

[frigid palm]

Oh yeah also the flyceus set is mostly a meme lol

If you want a ground immune then the aforementioned giratina o is good

Or you can swap lando i to defensive lando t and run koraidon as a scarfer

[ionic parcel]

I want some pokepast from a good team, could you help me?

[lost sable]

what kind of team

[ionic parcel]

I don't know I wanted something really good hahaha

[ionic parcel]

some team that doesn't suffer for calyrex-shadow

[lost sable]

thats pretty vague ngl

[ionic parcel]

hmm

[lost sable]

anything u want on the team? not suffering from calyrex-s can be like stall, or tyranitar or just a tweak to yveltal

[ionic parcel]

tyranitar is not better yveltal if it goes wrong I'll switch to tyranitar

[lost sable]

so

yveltal is the mon used on most teams as a calyrex check

but there are other (much overall worse) alterrnatives

This is a pretty solid (sample) team: https://pokepast.es/9254e0e8acb40722, with yve being heavily invested in spdef

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost sable]

ooops

mb

[lost sable]

but anyway, kyogre can take an astral in a pinch and marshadow can revenge kill with sneak

[lost sable]

tbf idk if i could've linked w/o pinging, mb D:

[warped pier]

Nws

[steep tulip]

you can't

not your fault.

[lost sable]

not unless i get something rmt'd myself

https://pokepast.es/1d5305121a4005fe

(theres a future sight on the caly)

[warped pier]

What the dawg doin

[lost sable]

cc'ing the yveltal trying to eat the fs

same base power as astral btw

hm marsha>ogre maybe

the ho mu could be dire tho

[warped pier]

That's a reasonable answer

It's a rather creative build so I can't really tell if it's good or not, but I like the idea on paper

[lost sable]

:>

[warped pier]

Maybe it struggles a bit vs sticky

Since you don't run hdb etern

[lost sable]

ig yea but ejecting on ndm is so funny lol

im kinda memeing rn i might actually post later with a more serious try

[warped pier]

Ndm sounds also quite rough to break with zama

That's why I like urshifu with fsight caly

None of the big 3 can switch into fsight+wicked blow

And losing urshifu for etern is def a winning trade for the urshifu player

[lost sable]

what about groodon then

beats the big 3 too

https://pokepast.es/1a2ac860a4666b36

[tawdry estuary]

You lose to ferro

You could go flame on etern I think

And as for zama

I think wild charge is better

But you also lose really badly to hooh

Zama adds a lot of weaknesses

I think rest talk ogre would be good for your team over caly

And you could run taunt over uturn on yvel for ferro

I think that should make your team better

[lost sable]

😭 rip looks like the fs caly vision did not work out

[tawdry estuary]

yea i mean i went with this assuming you wanted to keep zama

if you want future sight caly s you can literally slap it on one of the sample teams

[lost sable]

hm yea fair

not that it ever wants to click much more than astral when it comes in

[frigid palm]

Wait since when is zama good in g8 ubers

[tawdry estuary]

It's alright

Speed is good, bulk is good, typing is good, moves and coverage are alright, power is a bit underwhelming, howl is ass but what can ya do

[empty bridge]

Isnt idpress crowned better

Or does it get sussus amongused by the cover dragons

Curious lmao

[cinder fox]

zama doesn't have body press in ss

[empty bridge]

...

i am

not smart

lmao

[void wasp]

https://pokepast.es/2c2a69abd0ecd08d
Anyone want to rate my newly made, original trick room team?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[void wasp]

anyone?

[tawdry estuary]

I'll do

[tawdry estuary]

Not viable

0 of these pokemon are good

In ubers

With those sets anyway

Diancie Grimm and glowking are alright but team specific

Take a look at viability rankings and the bazaar on forums to see what pokemon are good

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/52a410b1a6ad0439
trying out webs in ubers, made a basic rudimentary team, what changes should i make?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid palm]

id probably assume the mirai set has to be changed

oh yeah korai tera is fire not ghost

[steep tulip]

ghost is better on loaded dice

[cinder fox]

lasen i got this

ok so

[steep tulip]

OK let's see it.

[cinder fox]

dd mirai is fine here

but

you def want dpulse > dgleam

[frigid palm]

isnt breaking dirge without fearing burn more valuable?

[cinder fox]

you have like

[frigid palm]

yeah true

[cinder fox]

a bajillion things to threaten dirge

• korai loves the espeed immune

[frigid palm]

fair

[cinder fox]

also you don't want scarf ogre on webs imo

[frigid palm]

idk about the ekiller spread either i dont usually use it

just slapped on the sample evs

[frigid palm]

yeah ogres mostly just a filler slot cuz i didnt know what else to run

what would you recommend?

[cinder fox]

ogre isn't terrible tbh

but like

you'd much rather have specs on webs imo

[frigid palm]

true, i just liked scarf cuz it beat other scarfers assuming webs up

anything else i should change?

[cinder fox]

you could have less speed on mirai

4 or 8 is fine

[frigid palm]

ah yeah 92 is an old spread i ran pre home vs scarf bundle

[cinder fox]

no.

i refuse to believe i heard the words scarf and bundle

in the same sentence

[frigid palm]

mostly just a funny niche

[cinder fox]

so yeah specs ogre, dpulse > dgleam and make mirai slower

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/5fd5f96e8802117b

Felt like building trick room

First time ever making this archetype

Hope its not unviable fr

@cinder fox me when online rater (do you have time lol)

[cinder fox]

i do have time for this because 1. you have zero reliable tr offense outside of caly and 2. full tr is unviable

[empty bridge]

Full tr as in

All slow mons?

[gritty merlin]

tr is generally unviable in singles unless the abusers are incredibly worth it

[empty bridge]

I've seen a lot of tr sets and users in smogon sets which is why i thought about trying

But if its unviable then amog

[cinder fox]

i mean the entire team is built around facilitating slow attackers with TR

[empty bridge]

Yeah

[gritty merlin]

you really only get 3-4 turns of usage with it, and without teammates to take advantage of the tr switching becomes incredibly costly

[empty bridge]

Yeah im aware of tr flaws lol

Just the amount of sets and options in smogdex made me think it was better this gen so i went "eh i'll build"

[cinder fox]

while it is better per se

it’s still unviable

[empty bridge]

...lmao fair

[cinder fox]

the attackers simply aren’t strong enough in this decently bulky meta for tr to be worth it

[empty bridge]

Ah true

Sorry for wasting your time then lmao

[cinder fox]

nah all g

[empty bridge]

Ty

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/1542b6f0eed4b4a3 i made this team as a joke an i wanna make it better

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[scarlet compass]

the clod set might be wack

[frigid palm]

Treads is bad in ubers, doesnt do anything except resist miraidons stabs and most mirai run overheat anyway

Flutter is kinda mid without sun support, if you want a fairy i would suggest arc fairy since you dont have an arc forme yet

[rain spruce]

https://pokepast.es/146d13a8964f94d1

[cinder fox]

uhm what's this team for

[crude turtle]

Wrong spot

[cinder fox]

i'm guessing this is for ndubers

we dont rate that here

[crude turtle]

.

Bro this is a standard ass natdex team

[cinder fox]

you'd best head to the natdex non ou thread

you never know

[crude turtle]

This is a natdex ou team for sure

True

[scarlet compass]

alr thx

what can i replace for treads

imm guessing a mon that switches into ogres ice beam

https://pokepast.es/8c7250b1657d2cfe the updated team

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[scarlet compass]

crap the bass is missing the other 4 ev

[cinder fox]

this has too many issues to be viable

Ditto has no reason to be on this team, you have zero hazards whatsoever, half the team’s teras serve no practical purpose for the team, and the clod set is just bad, to name a few

if you’re open to drastic changes i’m happy to oblige, but either way i think you’d best take a look here for teams
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar-post-home.3723557

[frigid palm]

unpopular opinion (i think) but clodsire isnt that great a special wall

[lost sable]

its been an opinion for a while

[crude turtle]

this is the standard opinion yea

clodsire is pretty bad rn

compared to ting at least

[frigid palm]

Yeah true, though even ting is far from perfect

[tawdry estuary]

Bruh what

What propaganda are you guys spreading

[frigid palm]

Drops to specs draco, though tbf what doesnt

[tawdry estuary]

Clod is literally better than Lu atm

[tawdry estuary]

That's just one set that fell off in popularity mind you

[frigid palm]

Never really felt that way when playing with or against it

[tawdry estuary]

It beats more stuff and absorbs tspikes

[frigid palm]

Lu just felt a lot more secure vs most things except for fairies ofc

[tawdry estuary]

Lu is countered more easily too

[frigid palm]

Yeah but even tera dragon draco does a ton im pretty sure

[tawdry estuary]

To lu yea

[frigid palm]

No, i meant to clod

[tawdry estuary]

Lu has to run lefties

[frigid palm]

Clod is 2hkod while lu isnt i think

[tawdry estuary]

Clod can run lefties, mental herb and hdb

[frigid palm]

Hdb is by far the best item imo

Else mirai can just power through it

[tawdry estuary]

Mental is imo

HDB is second best tho

[tawdry estuary]

Specs Tera Dragon ohkos clod and easily 2hkos lu

[frigid palm]

Im not saying clod is bad ofc, its quite decent, but idk i feel lu handles the best mon in the game wayy better

[frigid palm]

No i meant non specs tera dragon

[tawdry estuary]

Ah

[frigid palm]

I usually run fairy on my specs mirai

[tawdry estuary]

Yea fairy is alright

[frigid palm]

Speaking of which

[tawdry estuary]

Actually that's not true

First of all korai is better

[frigid palm]

Im torn on whether mirai shoulf be banned or not

[tawdry estuary]

Second clod only loses to specs

Lu loses to all cm sets

And gets washed by pivot with Draco taunt uturn

[frigid palm]

Debatable, personally i still feel mirai is better but i can completely get why many people think so

[tawdry estuary]

That's how the vr has ranked it

[frigid palm]

Theyre very close now but id say mirai edges out a bit more

[tawdry estuary]

Lu loses to more mirai sets than clod

In addition to being worse in non Mirai mu

And being countered more easily

[frigid palm]

Clod loses to taunt cm too, or tera dragon

[tawdry estuary]

And ofc clod absorbs tspikes

[tawdry estuary]

Nope

That's why we have mental herb

[frigid palm]

Thats true but tbf most teams are gonna run mirai anyway

[tawdry estuary]

It's close to half

[frigid palm]

Ig herb could work but with the amount of taunts running around it can be hard to preserve it for mirai, esp if you dont know its taunt

[tawdry estuary]

But that just means you are playing with 5 mons and a sack

[frigid palm]

Lu is hella free spikes a lot of times though

[tawdry estuary]

I'm talking from experience

[tawdry estuary]

In non mirai mu basically the whole team hits you for super effective

And clod can get up spikes much easier there

[tawdry estuary]

You're assuming, I've been using a ton of mental clod

And I mean lu has some advantages you're right

But clod has so much more

And it's more consistent

And more versatile in the item slot even

[scarlet compass]

i thought it was a funny set

turns out its not that good apparently

[scarlet compass]

how many changes does this team need to be viable?

i wanna keep basculegon

[frigid palm]

I dont really find bascu to be that much more than a minor nichemon

[scarlet compass]

better then houndstone tbh 🤷

[tawdry estuary]

Your team isn't that bad seriously

You'd have to swap out ditto mainly

[scarlet compass]

thx

[tawdry estuary]

So

What I had in mind is maybe also swaping out zacian

Since you already have arc fairy

Arc fairy you should make 136+ Def so you don't get 2hkod by scarf korai

Over zacian you can use Lando since you have no zacian check

And it also helps vs korai

And over ditto you can go with scarf Mirai or korai up to you

[scarlet compass]

i think ill go mirai so i have a way of beating kyo

[tawdry estuary]

Yea sounds good

[scarlet compass]

the team needs rain up

[tawdry estuary]

Yea actually koraidon helps with that

Since you can reset rain turns

But maybe like in an endgame scenario if ogre dies that's not possible

[scarlet compass]

yea i was thinking that

[tawdry estuary]

Mirai is good for this

And on clod I like mental herb

You get 6-0d by taunt fairyceus otherwise

Be careful against spikers because your team is pretty weak to hazards

[scarlet compass]

do i have a way to beat zacian

[tawdry estuary]

Ye lando

And scarf mirai

[scarlet compass]

i dont have lando on my team

do i replace it with clod

[tawdry estuary]

This

Read that and you should be good

[scarlet compass]

oh yea

thx

[tawdry estuary]

Np

[scarlet compass]

for this

[tawdry estuary]

Also helps vs scale shot

[scarlet compass]

what do i take out for this

[tawdry estuary]

Ah just SpA

And make it bold and you're good

[scarlet compass]

alr thx

[tawdry estuary]

You can also go with taunt, twave or wisp over cm if you want

And np

[scarlet compass]

also rq what set does lando run?

[tawdry estuary]

Just the standard set

You can see it on analyses

Or in the builder if you click import and have selected lando

Sample sets are at the bottom

Wait a few seconds for them to load

On that set you can use Rocky Helmet > lefties

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/1989494793dfb2c6 updated team

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/16f28adbc291957a new team

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tawdry estuary]

this team needs a lot of work

first of all where is your mirai switch

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/0e88a9b45cdb1ac9 ive replaced gira w/ zacian

[tawdry estuary]

that's better but you still get swept by mirai lol

[scarlet compass]

yea

[tawdry estuary]

specs mirai ohkos your entire team

and every other set ohkos or 2hkos

but you also have a tspike problem

i usually like having at least 1 ground and 1 faiy type per team

and somewhere also a grounded poison type

[scarlet compass]

do i replace pex a ground type

[tawdry estuary]

yea you already have dirge so

you can go clod cause otherwise fairy attacks are gonna be a problem

from fairyceus i mean

dirge can only hold off non taunt non ep sets pre tera

and once you've done that you'll see that you kinda get 6-0d by eq

or any ground type tbh

to help with that you can go landot over dirge

dirge is not that good cuz korai has scale now

and on the topic of korai you should use standard sets

for mirai also

solar beam scarf is not a good idea and you need draco

tera fairy dazzling gleam is alright

[tawdry estuary]

for koraiyou should use scale low kick flare blitz sd with tera fire

and then as a last thing you should go with tera steel wisp fairyceus cuz otherwise you're gonna get owned by ekiller as soon as lando drops to half health

with those changes your team should be able to take on any team basically

[tawdry estuary]

other moves and evs don't matter as much, just use what you like best

[scarlet compass]

https://pokepast.es/f03d55a442edf9ec i got this rn

[tawdry estuary]

yea that's a lot better

ah wait

forgot to tell you

on korai use loaded dice

not lefties lol

[scarlet compass]

alr thx

[tawdry estuary]

np

[scarlet compass]

@tawdry estuary im seeing a shit ton of ursaluna bm what do i do against it

[tawdry estuary]

just go fairyceus and recover lol, that mon sucks

if it cms you have cm as well

you do a lot cuz it's spdef is shit

and also mirai ohkos with draco

[scarlet compass]

what do i do against cm fm?

[tawdry estuary]

don't let it cm too much

clod can beat it if it doesn't have psyshock

and zacian can beat it if it doesn't have mystical fire

and you can always tera a mon to ko it

[scarlet compass]

alr

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/0746dee9d6de05ca
posting this again cuz ogre and ekiller seem kinda clunky to use

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid palm]

maybe its cuz im not used to running webs or using either of those mons

[tawdry estuary]

team looks pretty good

[frigid palm]

[tawdry estuary]

that guy sucks

[frigid palm]

Running webs is an immediate L in my books

And they lost to cm fairyceus so yes they do suck

[paper ember]

@cinder fox rmt (also what do people do for hazard removal in this tier): https://pokepast.es/690865d13d863529

[cinder fox]

alr so

this looks super solid

couple things tho

1. switch korai and mirai's items (make korai scarf and mirai specs)

scarf korai is literally just bw gene on steroids it's so good

[paper ember]

Choice Band Miraidon seems weird but I trust you makes sense

[cinder fox]

2. Wild Charge and Tera Flying is prolly better than Tera Fire and Tera Blast

[cinder fox]

oh no i mean specs mirai lmfao

[paper ember]

nah I got you, just trolling

[cinder fox]

oh lmao

anyways

[cinder fox]

team has a weakness to grounds and tera flying can help with that somewhat

wild charge is the most common coverage move thanks to getting strengthened by mirai

[paper ember]

got it

looks like this now: https://pokepast.es/d24bc23608bfe915

[cinder fox]

3. Toxic on Etern is alr here so this is more of a preference thing

but i actually like tspikes > toxic on etern here

[paper ember]

love hazards, they seem broken here

[cinder fox]

tspikes is super broken in this meta

[paper ember]

but actually what are the removal options here

scanning the VR it looks like just Gira? but that feels like it has a lot of overlap with Skele

[cinder fox]

that's literally it

LMAO

[paper ember]

screaming, crying, perfect storm

[cinder fox]

i think lastly i'd go physdef cm ogre > dirge

[paper ember]

but then how do I beat Toxic Spikes?

[cinder fox]

your own etern

kek

[paper ember]

didn't you just recommend Kyogre over Etern?

or can I not read?

[cinder fox]

oh wait

i meant over dirge

FUCK

[paper ember]

oh okay

https://pokepast.es/9b36cc8cd5b4697b

like that?

[cinder fox]

ye

maybe make the ogre a little bulkier

prolly max hp 236 defense 20 speed bold

[paper ember]

done

[cinder fox]

coolio

team looks good

[paper ember]

thanks for all your help!

[tawdry estuary]

ngl this team is worse now

you have no ground type

no mirai switch

and because dirge was removed now there's not even a korai check

• you're just as weak to ground type attacks

no offense to mr. Oreo but this was a bad rate

outside of changing the zacian set

that was a good suggestion

like your team without skeledirge gets swept by scarf korai which is one of the most common forms of speed control

I'm not really gonna say more than that unless you want me to

tag me if you wanna hear what I'd change (although I am going to sleep soon)

[cinder fox]

there is literally a defensive ogre

what are you on

also there is a lot that has to go scarf korai’s way for it to sweep

[tawdry estuary]

nothing man

[cinder fox]

it can’t allow arc a free turn for one

it has to remove ogre

[tawdry estuary]

kyogre gets 3hkod by low kick without hazards

[cinder fox]

yes.

3hkoed.

[tawdry estuary]

agility mirai sweeps you off preview too

that team is plain bad

it has so many flaws

[cinder fox]

bullshit it does not

[tawdry estuary]

i just said a few most appearant ones

[cinder fox]

there’s no ground sure but too much has to go mirai’s way

zacian eats unboosted charge

you have a scarf korai and an ekiller

it’s slow without an agility

what does agility mirai set up on without tera

tell me

[tawdry estuary]

kyogre

but it will have tera

and there exists more than one type of agility mirai

and all of them sweep you

[cinder fox]

agility mirai is not a popular set for one

second it doesn’t even safely set up on ogre

you HAVE to commit tera

and even then ekiller revenges

[tawdry estuary]

it is a popular set for one

[tawdry estuary]

second it wins on the spot

[cinder fox]

are you actually blind

[tawdry estuary]

and like i said

[cinder fox]

i just said ekiller

[tawdry estuary]

that's just one issue

[tawdry estuary]

bro don't insult me

stop it

your team clearly has a lot of issues

[cinder fox]

actually read my posts then

[tawdry estuary]

and that rmt was bad

[tawdry estuary]

not all nah

[cinder fox]

then you can’t argue with me

since you’re clearly ignoring my posts about fucking ekiller

[tawdry estuary]

i did some

i can argue beacause i looked at the pastes

and after your rmt check the team got worse

not in every aspect

but overall

[cinder fox]

okay i actually read your criticisms and i will respond to each and every one of them

right here right now

[frigid palm]

why is there an aggression in my rmt thread

[cinder fox]

while this is true -2 mirai is easy fodder for ekiller

[tawdry estuary]

bro you don't have to

[tawdry estuary]

idk i just pointed out some flaws in his check and he got angry

[cinder fox]

you outright said my check was bad

[frigid palm]

okay lemme read up rq

[tawdry estuary]

yes

[cinder fox]

and then called ME out for insulting you

[tawdry estuary]

i didn't say that to insult you

i said that to try to make the rmt as accurate as possible

[cinder fox]

i am trying to explain why your points in practice don’t hold up

[tawdry estuary]

they do man

[frigid palm]

okay just from first impressions, im gonna have to go with ox here, no ground can be wonky to use in the miraidon tier

[cinder fox]

while this is indeed true, it’s constantly pressured to draco lest something like mirai come in for free

-2 mirai is easy fodder for ekiller

• scarf mirai is fake so it’s very revengable by korai and zac

hell ogre can even get a sub on -2 mirai

[cinder fox]

you brought up the fact that ogre gets 3hkoed by low kick

but like

how is that relevant

if it’s scarf low kick you switch ogre out

[tawdry estuary]

yea after you take the damage

you have to guess every time

[cinder fox]

and how is dirge different

[tawdry estuary]

instead of having a safe switch

[cinder fox]

it gets 3hkoed by dclaw

[tawdry estuary]

and that's not even considering hazards

[tawdry estuary]

it can heal lol

[frigid palm]

i mean yeah it is but like whats stopping mirai from just clicking edrift once spikes are up
both mirai and etern get 2hkod after the slightest chip

[tawdry estuary]

it has slack off

[frigid palm]

i also agree with ox that low kick is finnicky to stay in on for ogre

[cinder fox]

no?

mirai’s a quad resist

it eats that shit all day

[tawdry estuary]

bro please just stop talking

you're full of it

[cinder fox]

you started it

[tawdry estuary]

you're wrong just accept it

[tawdry estuary]

sure

[frigid palm]

yeah but when are you ever switching mirai in on mirai

[tawdry estuary]

what does that matter

[cinder fox]

when it’s locked into drift?

obv

[frigid palm]

also mb i thought it was a 3hko on mirai, which it is but only after spikes
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon in Electric Terrain: 96-113 (28.1 - 33.1%) -- 94.5% chance to 3HKO after 1 layer of Spikes

[frigid palm]

still 3hkos with spikes/rocks

[cinder fox]

team literally has some of the most insane offensive pressure in the game

[frigid palm]

so ur only ever switching in once, maybe twice if you wanna risk a tie

[cinder fox]

how is anything safely getting up more than one hazard

i’ve literally tested this team myself

[frigid palm]

against the choiced mons

[cinder fox]

i know what happens in practice

[frigid palm]

also you dont need more than one hazard

[cinder fox]

no you do

[frigid palm]

mirai 3hkos mirai after one hazard, and etern needs the tiniest bit of chip to be 2hkod

[cinder fox]

the team has default bulk so one hazard is not enough

[cinder fox]

okay first of all you never ever drift a mirai unless you’re predicting

second etern is boots

[frigid palm]

who said the chip has to come from hazards, if the opp has good pivoting even a u turn or two can bring you into range
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 80 HP / 252 SpD Eternatus in Electric Terrain: 178-210 (40.3 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

hell you dont even need multiple pivots im pretty sure scarf korai u turn can do 12

252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon U-turn vs. 80 HP / 0 Def Eternatus: 55-65 (12.4 - 14.7%) -- possible 7HKO

it does

[cinder fox]

why would you etern on korai

[frigid palm]

thats not my point, im saying etern needs to be tickled before it gets into mirai range

[cinder fox]

ogre is literally right there

[frigid palm]

bad example on my part but my intent was to show how little it takes for mirai to snipe etern

[cinder fox]

i get that

but there are three bulky dragons and a bulky ekiller

[frigid palm]

hell this is without even mentioning potential tera electric

[cinder fox]

choice mirai is inherently not a bad mu

[frigid palm]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 80 HP / 252 SpD Eternatus in Electric Terrain: 238-280 (53.9 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon in Electric Terrain: 291-343 (85.3 - 100.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon in Electric Terrain: 128-151 (37.5 - 44.2%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes

[cinder fox]

you never go tera electric mirai

[frigid palm]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 200 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Electric Terrain: 498-586 (115.5 - 135.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 200 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Electric Terrain: 373-439 (86.5 - 101.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes

and ekiller doesnt even need tera to die

[cinder fox]

grounds exist in the tier yknow

tera dragon is the standard

[frigid palm]

whys the mirai in the paste electric then?

[cinder fox]

oh that’s a mistake

brain went over that

[frigid palm]

doesnt tera dragon do like 65 to ekiller at -2

you cant setup on -2 mirai if its tera dragon

or you can, but you would have a tough time vs helmet mons

esp lando

[frigid palm]

-2 252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Dragon Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 200 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 248-294 (57.5 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

68 yeah close

[cinder fox]

at least from what I’ve seen helmet mons are not common in this meta bc they don’t handle scale korai

[frigid palm]

helmet pex and lando are pretty common no? for groundceus and/or ekiller (pex can kinda check korai with tera fairy as well)

[cinder fox]

korai getting scaleshot made them significantly less common as they had to dedicate more resources to checking it

[frigid palm]

i totally still dont run both

[naive nymph]

Am practicing team building dont even intend to use this just wanna know how good i am at it:https://pokepast.es/84470d50f585c126

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

you should start off with using the sample sets from the dex

quite literally none of the sets (besides ogre) are what one would run

[naive nymph]

yeah figured. DS meant to be like that tho with trick and scarf, but the rest are valid idk what i was cooking with the lugia stats.

[steep tulip]

you can have a trick-scarf deo-s

but having it be both hazards is counterproductive

[naive nymph]

yeah should prob run taunt instead of spikes

[pure oasis]

https://pokepast.es/e5ef684530e664de I have this SS Ubers team, but I want to use another pokemon at ho oh's place, what could I use? landorus maybe?

[steep tulip]

you are weak to SD groudon

quite a bit at that

I'd suggest you try a lunala over quag

[pure oasis]

what can I use over ho oh?

[steep tulip]

zygarde, maybe

[pure oasis]

landorus t wouldn't be good? can defog and can run into groudon too

[lime prairie]

lando isn't the best on full stall due to its lack of reliable recovery and relatively low bulk compared to the rest of the team

I believe with lunala > quag this is a tournament team that's been used before

or something very similar to it

[pure oasis]

@lime prairie is there something that I can use over ho oh?

[lime prairie]

there could be a lot of options

I think ho-oh's fine here

but if you don't like it you wouldn't lose too much by swapping it out

you could do clefable to free up an attacking move > rocks on bliss, or just zygarde like lasen said

if you do keep ho-oh tho I'd go brave bird > toxic

this set is too easily blanked by etern

not worth in ss

aside from that tho there are a few changes I'd make. pex needs recover, split is just worse in every way. I'd also probably go haze > scald bc things can get outta hand p quickly, alternatively you can drop knock but I really like knock pex and it helps you be able to potentially run fp yvel > knock if you prefer that. an item on pex is also just better, yvel w more bulk can handle marsh in a pinch but also poltergeist marsh is essentially a non threat anymore since no one uses it. yvel can also go for more hp / sp.def, you don't need that much speed on a team that doesn't have to go for the tie vs webs since it's slow af already. def lunala > quag like lasen said too

[pure oasis]

more hp on yveltal beacuse of calyrex

[lime prairie]

ye but it's just good in general too

like if you gotta take a hit from marsh dd ndm etc

only more BO type teams want the speed sometimes

[pure oasis]

https://pokepast.es/c5dedc7ab8dc5e31 @lime prairie like this?

[lime prairie]

Change yvel nature, stoss > rocks on bliss now since clef has it, and honestly I’d say sticky barb clef

You have a lot of knock to remove item then contact will take it

[pure oasis]

careful on yveltal?

[lime prairie]

Ye

[olive blade]

This probably sucks, right?

[fast iron]

It's not the worst it could possibly be. double dance Miraidon doesn't really like having life orb and Timid is unnecessary- especially on webs
Defog on webs is not a great idea. I'd suggest replacing Corviknight with Koraidon. It also enables you to have sun for Iron Valiant, but Valiant isn't viable in Ubers.

[olive blade]

Did u just call Iron Valiant a past paradox?

[fast iron]

I saw Booster Energy and forgot, I suppose. None of the future ones are good iirc- exception being Bundle and Miraidon

[olive blade]

So what should I replace vali and Corviknight with?

[fast iron]

Koraidon and some other webs abuser. Great Tusk works nicely.
Although someone else likely has better advice.

[lime prairie]

Advice above on agility mirai is correct, if you wanna run super fast you’re probably just better with boots taunt or smth for opposing HO which has been seen in scl, but bulky agility w eseed or leftovers and a diff tera is good

Koraidon > corv is also good

Necessary if you’re running ogerpon imo

You can also afford ada ogerpon here

I’ve used it on webs and the power increase is nice

Meanwhile speed tier is relatively empty

Sacred sword on zacian isn’t good and never has been, you’re better off with wild charge, crunch, or tera blast ground, the former two can run almost any tera but fire water flying all good

Ribombee can also run max spatk > hp

Get the damage off

Don’t need to live multihits since scale shot doesn’t work

As for valiant it really depends what kinda mon you wanna run in that slot

Cm taunt flutter could work as a similar breaker, or you can throw on an arceus which is super good on HO

Most setup forms work but ekiller and dd groundceus are most common

@olive blade forgot to ping but ye this stuff + tera ghost ribombee or tera steel if you’re more scared of glimmora but you got a zacian for that

[olive blade]

Could I just run GTusk + non-defog corv?

Also, I'm worried about being too physical attacker heavy.

That was the original point of vali.

[lime prairie]

Don’t run corv at all

It’s a massive momentum sink

Not worth on webs

All your mons should be forcing damage and making progress on offense

Being physical heavy is okay with miraidon bc the physical mons are strong enough

Korai and oger break super easily and they open up for zacian

[olive blade]

Heavy sigh
I'll relent to using Koraidon on this team.
I still want to try other options with Mircian core.

[lime prairie]

There’s plenty of things you can do with miraidon and zacian they’re broken

But I would first say implement the changes I suggested on the other mons

The sets rn are suboptimal

Also korai wants tera fire or ghost, and low kick or close combat > collision

As for tusk I really don’t like it here I don’t think it fits on these kinds of builds, but you can probably run booster speed knock rocks taunt or some bulk up thing

You don’t really need spin or definitely not iron head tbh

[lime prairie]

I’d probably say tusk wants spinner somewhere for gira lando glisc if you’re adamant on using it

I still don’t like it but you gotta hit those

Either way that’s kinda all the advice I have unless you change your mind on that slot, I’d still say do the other set changes mentioned it would help a lot more

[olive blade]

I'm not. If I'm adamant about anything, it's not using Koraidon and Miraidon on the same team.

[lime prairie]

Why not

They’re the best mons

And on offense they arguably make the strongest cores out of anything

If you really didn’t want koraidon I’d honestly say don’t do ogerpon either since it really likes sun support, but korai is maybe the best HO mon

If that’s really your goal tho ig you could do smth like mirai zac bee arc form + 2, last 2 being maybe kingambit and etern or smth

I just wouldn’t recommend it

Koraidon is top 1 in usage and vr rn for a good reason

[olive blade]

I might be going more-so for offense than HO, tbh

[lime prairie]

HO is pretty much defined by the lead, ribombee makes it HO. if you add bulky pivots it's just a bad team rather than changing styles

if you just wanted offense you'd probably drop the lead in favour of either another attacker or a hazard pivot like lando

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/a13323dfe2c8e98c
been running this team for a while now, can it be made better?

[shut skiff]

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[crude turtle]

shits bussin ong

tbh this looks p okay

maybe speed on ting / lando

i feel like zac over lando helps a bit

but the team is fine

[cinder fox]

team’s alr in a general sense but it is worth noting that it’s a bit outdated by dlc1 standards

[frigid palm]

exactly yeah, hence me posting it here

[frigid palm]

how much?

[frigid palm]

lando is for groundceus for the most part

and helps against zac

since if i tera pex on korai then i cant check zac with it

[cinder fox]

oh yeah put tera fairy on lando

[crude turtle]

ye thats fine

i dont really thikn this is bad

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-meme-gif-25319494

never type again

💯

[crude turtle]

idk if u need this

when you have fairyceus

[frigid palm]

why?

[cinder fox]

scale korai mainly

[frigid palm]

i have 2 other tera fairies for that

and fairyceus

[cinder fox]

1. you can never be too safe vs that mf

2. i actually suggest cm lo mirai instead of specs here

cm mirai is a lot less exploitable than specs mirai which is why it’s more popular rn

i’d go cm taunt since fuck ekiller

[frigid palm]

and ribombee

though tbh i dont really like running LO on mirai

since i dont have removal

[cinder fox]

you have a bajillion taunts

[frigid palm]

recoil + hazards would wear me down very quickly

[frigid palm]

true but pex and scarf korai do kinda let in hazard setters like lando or fairyceus

or lu in pex's case

[cinder fox]

only pex

scarf korai is literally bw gene on steroids

(a u-turn spamming machine)

[frigid palm]

true but it can still let those in when i actually wanna rk something

[crude turtle]

i think ur overprepping for that thing

its good but

w fairyceus + ur fine

[cinder fox]

idts since it’s not physdef with no prio

[crude turtle]

i personally think specs is fine here especially with overheat

it pairs well w fairyceus

[frigid palm]

my only complaint with specs mirai is vs stall

the only thing i can really break stall with is fairyceus

[crude turtle]

if ur specifically having stall issues

i would actually listen to oreo here

and go cm taunt ye

i think both work fine

[frigid palm]

cuz everything and its mother runs protect on stall for specs mirai

[crude turtle]

but its really up to player comfort

alternatively

taunt pivot tera dragon mirai is always nuts vs any team

that guy also works

[cinder fox]

i personally think cm taunt mirai is better here

since you have ekiller issues

[frigid palm]

if i do run cm mirai

[cinder fox]

• caly is also very much a bitch vs this

[frigid palm]

do i really also need cm fairyceus

[crude turtle]

i think so

[frigid palm]

thats why pex is 0 spe

[crude turtle]

cm mirai isnt a good wincon

its just a really powerful breaker

[frigid palm]

true ig

[crude turtle]

how does cm make you safer vs ekiller

[frigid palm]

cuz idt ill be running LO

[cinder fox]

not specifically cm

[frigid palm]

i think they mean taunt

[cinder fox]

but taunt

[frigid palm]

to stop sd

[crude turtle]

ye thats fine

[frigid palm]

though thats not really reliable

[crude turtle]

but yea if thats ur issue

i'd go either cm mirai or pivot tera dragon mirai

both work fine and break af

[frigid palm]

yeah the only things that seem to give me issues are stall semi stall and ekiller

[frigid palm]

what item can i run on cm mirai other than LO

[cinder fox]

boots

if you go for pivot taunt

go drift draco u-turn taunt with boots

max spa max speed timid

[frigid palm]

yeah obv

[crude turtle]

Dragon fang

[frigid palm]

i was just wondering if something like draco plate was viable

yeah thought so

[crude turtle]

Ye it is

It saw some use in upl

And it’s still nice

[frigid palm]

cuz iirc that gives it enough power to 2hko clod

[cinder fox]

ye if you want you can also go draco plate

[frigid palm]

alr

tera dragon?

or fairy

[crude turtle]

dragon

well

again this is prob preference between players

[frigid palm]

can i be funny and run eject pack

[crude turtle]

fairy is fine

[crude turtle]

eject isnt the worst thing but i'd rather use pivot mirai anyways for that

ive seen eejct pack tho

its not bad

[frigid palm]

yeah i asked if fairy was good cuz i prefer fairy on specs so figured it might be good here

alr ill try this out

ty

btw how many spe evs on lando/lu

[cinder fox]

i think full spdef ting is fine

it’s purpose is to be a mirai check so you don’t really want to compromise that bulk

on lando i’d say 60 speed

from what i’ve seen glisc goes 232 speed

so 60 evs is enough to creep glisc

[frigid palm]

what should i remove it from

[frigid palm]

wait wha

[cinder fox]

hp i think

[crude turtle]

Just mess w whatever

I run a ton of speed on mine

But 60 is fine

[cinder fox]

The main thing you wanna keep in mind is outspeeding Gliscor

You don’t want that unkillable bitch spiking and Toxicing your entire team risk-free

[pure oasis]

https://pokepast.es/f292cb1658e82423 SS Ubers

[scarlet compass]

Do ppl still play ss ubers

I love ss ubers

[tawdry estuary]

Team looks good, not exactly a stall expert myself but this should be good

[scarlet compass]

I think you'd what taunt over foul play to stop DD DM

Also to shut down other yveltals

[tawdry estuary]

for taunt to be effective you need more speed tho

and spdef yvel such as this one can't afford to run much speed

[steep tulip]

realistically ID ferro beats DD NDM

[outer kite]

SV Ubers HO https://pokepast.es/02395dda1093d875

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[outer kite]

Forgot to EV FM, assume max speed+max SPATK, +SPATK -ATK nature

[crude turtle]

im ngl

[outer kite]

Pretty shit isn’t it

[crude turtle]

this team isnt viable for the most part, the core of koraidon + flutter mane is good but even then theres some set optimization

main issues is that roaring moon, urshifu-r, regieleki are all unviable

[outer kite]

Damn

I thought with moon getting banned up from OU it’d do something

[crude turtle]

ogerpon-h + korai + flutter are 3 pokemon that can be used together on sticky web teams

nah

1s

i have a paste that might be what u want

[outer kite]

Let’s have it then

I don’t mind scrapping this team

[crude turtle]

https://pokepast.es/5de261cdacf100f0

kept the korai ogerpon flutter core

ogerpon is pretty much only usable on webs

bc its so slow

[outer kite]

Aight

Thanks

[crude turtle]

np

[outer kite]

Why parabolic charge on Miraidon?

[scarlet compass]

longevity

[scarlet compass]

doesnt double dance mirai run parabolic charge + dazzling gleam?

ig it doesnt matter u probably stil ohko korai

[tawdry estuary]

There is a lot of variations

[scarlet compass]

Dazzling gleams funny

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/8c183d09066cb5fb
i sent this team in a few days ago, but i just wanted to ask if glisc is a viable option over lando

[shut skiff]

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[frigid palm]

if not a better one

[scarlet compass]

the mirai set looks wack

idk what ur shutting down w/ taunt

esp cus u have it on lando

[frigid palm]

taunt cm is pretty popular

taunt helps with ekiller, ribombee, hazard stackers, clod and lu switching in thinking im specs etc etc

[frigid palm]

lando isnt faster than ekiller or ribombee

[scarlet compass]

to deal with clod u could use glis

[frigid palm]

thats

why im asking

cuz glisc is better into clod but idt it can afford taunt

i think its worse into groundceus and zacian as well

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/98e5012f7e5efa91

This is my old BO ubers team I built with you guys some weeks ago

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty bridge]

But like

Havent used it in ~a month

Checking to see if it's still updated esp because someone asked me for it

[crude turtle]

hmm

[frigid palm]

Id say dclaw over outrage

And mayyybe tera fire>water on dog

You also want around 12 to 16 spe on lu

[empty bridge]

I was gonna ask what pu was

Also yeah zac was supposed to be fire

[frigid palm]

Everything else seems fine

[empty bridge]

Is dclaw preferred atm?

[frigid palm]

Maybe tspike on etern but thats mostly preference

[frigid palm]

Considering how popular fairyceus zac and flutter are rn, id say so

Also can i just say

[empty bridge]

Say

[frigid palm]

Flutter in post dlc top 10 is mega cringe

[empty bridge]

Lmao

[frigid palm]

Dont even know how it got that popular

[empty bridge]

Me neither

[frigid palm]

Considering its just a specs bot

[empty bridge]

I didnt even know it was real till i started seeing it

Btw

Since yall are here

How viable is nasty plot m2

Someone told me to try using it but i honestly

Dont trust randoms

Lmao

[frigid palm]

Setup mewtwo needs support

But its good i think

[empty bridge]

Yeah i thought

Something similar

[frigid palm]

Just need to be wary of the lizards/zac

[empty bridge]

Fr

[frigid palm]

Though tbh id say specs is better cuz you dont need a free turn

[empty bridge]

Yeah i think setup m2 is like

[frigid palm]

Could also be funny and run yrick

Trick

[empty bridge]

Probably better on hyper offense stuff

[frigid palm]

Yeah i think it works best on webs

[empty bridge]

Yea

Ty

[frigid palm]

Gives it the edge vs the faster mons

[empty bridge]

Well it gives it the edge vs

Lizards and zac (except scarf korai)

Which are the main issues

And flutter

I am very sure psystrike annihilates every inch of flutter's body if it doesnt go first

[lime prairie]

Not very

Not fast enough and pretty frail

I almost never would recommend mewtwo tbh, I think so many things can just do its job better

But if you wanted to ever use it maybe on webs

[lime prairie]

As for this it’s mostly fine still, I’d probably use a bulkier fairyceus bc of korai and on no removal no taunt ting lu boots miraidon might be a shout

w taunt to help vs hazards

Agree w the other stuff about fire zac and claw korai

I also don’t know if you need tera poison ting w etern and another poison tera

It’s never bad but you could try fairy to prevent smth like lategame scale korai

Not the worst thing to keep tho

[empty bridge]

Tbh

Tera on tinglu is like

Not the biggest deal

But eah possible

Other than that alright ty lol

Oh yeah also i remember being told specs mirai fell off anyway so you might be onto something w taunt mirai

I will definitely try it out

Thanks

[crude turtle]

I swear I said this exact thing as well 💀

Idk why I said hmm and didn’t say anything else

[lime prairie]

Really had to think about it

[sharp jolt]

https://pokepast.es/76b950ba224a251f building an Ubers team for the upcoming Dragon King event, would like advice on what the final three Pokemon I should use are and if Specs is the right set to opt for on Flutter Mane or Life Orb

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude turtle]

What is the dragon king event

Swords dance is much better on zacian

Over sub

Ideally wild charge when paired w Koraidon to break toxapex

I think specs is fine on these builds

Specs flutter is a strong button clicker

You can pair this with a solid defensive core like ting Lu/clodsire to check mirai and other arceus forms as well as well as something like a groudon or a lando to take on opposing physical attackers

Idk what the rules of dragon king are but for Ubers this seems okay

Probably can go ekiller last mon

[sharp jolt]

it's a in-game, upcoming Single Battles event where (to my knowledge) the only rule is that you need either a Koraidon or a Miraidon on your team

[crude turtle]

It’s only one?

[sharp jolt]

you can run both on the same team I think

[crude turtle]

Are arceus formes allowed

In that case

Everything I said still sppkies

Applies

[sharp jolt]

oh damn actually

there is a banlist

[crude turtle]

Damn

But not korai mirai (the actual two best mons)💀

[sharp jolt]

boxarts + mythicals and of course, everyone's favorite Uber

Phione

Walking Wake and Iron Leaves are gone too
but not Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant

[crude turtle]

Do u have a link

[sharp jolt]

https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/onlinecompetitions/dragonkingbattlequalifier.shtml

art goes hard as hell

[crude turtle]

Ok

In that case I will link pre home teams

[sharp jolt]

oh swag

thank u

[crude turtle]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-pre-home-sample-teams-submissions-closed.3719619/

Good inspo and probably can ignore wake stuff leaves stuff

Also lando-t is good and so is gliscor so if y can mess w them as a ground, use them

Defensive grounds*

[sharp jolt]

seems like Chi-Yu Sun is it

is there any reason why Corv runs Mirror Armor over Pressure?

[crude turtle]

Flutter mane mystical fire spatk drop on itself

You avoid 2hko I think

Pressure is fine too

[sharp jolt]

oh that's swag

he runs Tera Dark to resist Shadow Ball?

[crude turtle]

No need

You live 2 pretty easily

[sharp jolt]

what's the Tera Dark for on Corv then?

[crude turtle]

Ah

Probably a combination

Flutter, kingambit, ignoring grimmsnarl’s prankster taunt

idk if its lsited there but

kingambit was quite good at the end of the tier

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings-pre-home.3712978/

[sharp jolt]

Kingambit's already a pretty great mon

[crude turtle]

here is the viability rankings at the end of it

[sharp jolt]

in current Ubers anyways

[crude turtle]

yea

[sharp jolt]

I assume Tera Flying on Hat is to provide an immunity to Ting-Lu Quake?

[crude turtle]

i think its more for tusk ye but also for ting lu

there is no baton pass clause or ohko clause right @sharp jolt

[sharp jolt]

no baton pass or ohko clause

[crude turtle]

then you can probably mess w fissure dondozo / tinglu if you want

baton pass still kinda blows but espathra pass is probably great if you can pass to mirai

[sharp jolt]

the the
stomping tantrum ting lu

[crude turtle]

fr

[sharp jolt]

ting luing time

[crude turtle]

hmm

okay yea just confirmed

everything in post home besdies lando / gliscor / ribombee is banned

you can probably make ribombee work well

[sharp jolt]

swagg

[crude turtle]

webs was fine in pre home but only bad because masqeruain sucks

ribombee is far more usable

ohh wait

i also forgot you can run basculegion

that guy is good if you wanna look at the rain example teams and mess w it ig

[sharp jolt]

Last Respects

[crude turtle]

but yea thats like

comprehensive check of everything good i thik

i think the HO is a little outdated?

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/will-o-the-wisp-a-sv-ubers-ghost-spam-team.3721570/

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/taunt-spam-offense-peak-1765-1.3721564/

some teams that i think also look at the HO aspect well

[sharp jolt]

[crude turtle]

https://pokepast.es/d812d9c53e2cb7b3

other team i used to some success on ladder / tours

[sharp jolt]

https://pokepast.es/0bde3ff6d7778ec9 just going back to this for a mo, not Dragon King legal but this is a sound Ubers team, right? trying to decide if I should run Taunt, Quake or Recover on Arceus in the last slot

[sharp jolt]

oh fuckles orthworm

pretty based honestly

wouldn't you want Booster over Life Orb on Mane for that +1 Speed though?

[crude turtle]

speed not necessary, the power difference is p important for flutter to break through defensive teams

[sharp jolt]

and I don't know too much abt Orth but Tera Electric sounds pretty swag on it

[crude turtle]

eh the big thing is that

ghost lets you shed on koraidon / tusk for free

[sharp jolt]

oh thats rad

[crude turtle]

okay going back to this

this seems alright, i think you can do scarf koraidon if you want, i'd also make groudon roar over protect

arceus probably wants to be taunt last move on this build

you can just grab the sample set for arceus

oh also zacian tera -> flying