Ubers

[frigid palm]

same lol

[potent hound]

I did this and added dark pulse and changed thunder to thunder bolt on flutter and changed bulk up to flare blitz

I have a lot of time to hear what you have to say

[frigid palm]

white herb is just bad on mirai, if you need a pivot run boots or eject pack

[cinder fox]

since you’re using specs mirai you want arc to be cm taunt

[cinder fox]

i got it nw

[frigid palm]

dark pulse is redundant since it hits the same things but for less damage cuz no stab

[potent hound]

ohh

[frigid palm]

ur better off running mystical fire or psyshock

[potent hound]

okok thanks

[frigid palm]

also, change flutter to life orb

[potent hound]

how about iron bundle

[frigid palm]

once sun ends, booster energy will proc spatk instead of speed

[frigid palm]

bundle isnt that good atm

[potent hound]

what's cm

[frigid palm]

calm mind

[potent hound]

oh really?

[cinder fox]

ok so
this flutter set is bad, booster energy is not worth it in this meta at all and thunder sucks in a tier run by korai

since you don’t want spikes flutter NEEDS to be the specs set

sball moonblast mystical fire psyshock tera fairy

max spatk max speed timid

[frigid palm]

ehh not necessarily imo
ig the added chip to mirai checks is nice but over the few days i ran this team i just never really got a chance to set up cms

[cinder fox]

second this korai set sucks

[frigid palm]

yeah it does

[cinder fox]

you’re trying to combine two different ideas that don’t work together

[frigid palm]

scarf is probably the best set

[cinder fox]

you gotta pick one or the other

[potent hound]

I'm pretty new to ubers rn I dk how I got to 1200+ rating

[cinder fox]

i’d say go for the scarf set

[frigid palm]

1200s is pretty easy

[potent hound]

oh

[frigid palm]

i would say im good at ubers and ive fallen to 1400s lol

mostly cuz of decay and not playing the tier in a bit but still

[potent hound]

why isnt bundle good rn tho

[potent hound]

choice scarf korai?

[frigid palm]

its just not strong enough against a lotta things

[cinder fox]

third cosmic power groundy is not a good set

[frigid palm]

and its super super frail

[potent hound]

what could I change it to

[frigid palm]

yeah groundceus should really be ddance or cm, probably the former

[cinder fox]

ground simply isn’t a good enough defensive typing for cosmic power

[potent hound]

what would be better for cosmic power then

[cinder fox]

poisonceus

but you don’t want cosmic power on this team

[frigid palm]

i would say swap bundle for a defensive pivot

[potent hound]

toxapex?

[frigid palm]

cuz ur team really craves that rn

also urshifu is pretty bad too

[cinder fox]

Defensive lando and ting > bundle and shifu

period

[frigid palm]

for sure yeah, but thats 3 grounds

counting groundceus

[cinder fox]

yeah and i’d also swap groundy for cm taunt fairy

[frigid palm]

oh yeah also u turn>vswitch on mirai

[empty bridge]

also herb mirai is funny

[potent hound]

okay thanks

[frigid palm]

and overheat>dgleam

[potent hound]

I feel a bit ashamed rn lmao

[empty bridge]

nah dw

we've all built bad teams when we were new

[cinder fox]

i think if you want a mirai idea like this

cm eject pack is better

but you don’t want that set here

[frigid palm]

or boots

pivoting is quite valuable for cm taunt fairyceus

and flutter ofc

[potent hound]

how about this?
Miraidon @ Eject Button
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Overheat
• Electro Drift
• U-turn
• Draco Meteor

[frigid palm]

eject button is bad lol

[cinder fox]

button is bad on mirai

only works on hatt

[potent hound]

oh wait eject pack

[cinder fox]

which is already niche

[potent hound]

I got confused

[cinder fox]

if you’re using eject pack you don’t also want u-turn

use boots prolly

[potent hound]

ah

what boots

[cinder fox]

heavy duty boots

[potent hound]

ohh

nah I'd rather change u turn to something else

[cinder fox]

no you do want u-turn on mirai here

Helps flutter and fairy

[potent hound]

ahh okay then

[frigid palm]

btw @cinder fox https://pokepast.es/ff127e79dc4212ea
changed it to this

lemme test a few games with this i think it might work

also this isnt rmt related but can i just say

im ALL for mewtwos glowup this gen

too long has my boy been shackled under calyrex's shadow (no pun intended)

[potent hound]

okay so what do I with urshifu

what can I change

[cinder fox]

the thing about gira > lando here is that it forces fairy to be rocks

[cinder fox]

change it to ting-lu.

[frigid palm]

like oreo said, lando t and ting lu>shifu and bundle

[cinder fox]

so you have no sweeping presence to speak of

balance really wants a sweeper

especially this one

that has the potential to use something as vicious as cm taunt fairy

[frigid palm]

maybe i can change mirai to cm? or korai to sd

[cinder fox]

you could change mirai to cm

but given that this was meant to be a specs mirai team

idt you want that

[frigid palm]

yeah fair

LO korai?

though i would lack a scarfer then

[cinder fox]

Uh

no.

korai NEEDS to be scarf here

otherwise you have no zacian check

amd you get 6-0’d

[frigid palm]

true yeah

[frigid palm]

toxapex tho

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/6e75940f5a26ba81

okay what about this

[cinder fox]

wild charge zacian:

[frigid palm]

what would you recommend then

[cinder fox]

Your original draft of the team you shared is fine

[frigid palm]

whats with the weird ev spread on pex?

i think 252/252+/4 works the best

on pex

also rocky helmet>boots

[potent hound]

dp or spd?

[empty bridge]

what meyn said, plus remove crunch on korai for u-turn

[cinder fox]

Defensive lando-t > pex

[empty bridge]

but other than that it's solid

[cinder fox]

u-turn > crunch on korai

[frigid palm]

and infestation over bunker

[cinder fox]

cm taunt fairy > groundy

[frigid palm]

tera ground>normal on pex

and tera water or fairy is better on lu

[frigid palm]

idk i felt it being a bit clunky

especially cuz my main sweeper only had one attacking move

and i never really got a chance to setup with it

when i played

[cinder fox]

fairy judgment is all you need

[frigid palm]

maybe i just need more experience with the team idk

[cinder fox]

low ladder is like that

[frigid palm]

zacian, dirge, tera steel/poison gira etc etc really annoy it though

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/7e8c47162706f596

how about now

solid enough?

[frigid palm]

taunt>recover on arceus

and tera fairy on it

[potent hound]

okay I was tryna decide on recover or taunt earlier

[frigid palm]

yeah everything and its mother runs taunt in ubers

as it should

[cinder fox]

defensive lando-t > pex and cm taunt fairy > groundy

lando gives you a rocker and a general physical check

plus a ground immune

which you desperately need

lest you get run through by dd groundy at preview

[potent hound]

thanks

[cinder fox]

and fairy is just better than groundy here

gives you a sweeper which you kinda want

[cinder fox]

you have enough options to deal with the former two

[potent hound]

by cm taunt fairy you mean arceus?

[cinder fox]

and gira is complete setup fodder for that set

[cinder fox]

yes

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/0c04263f0524a969

i built myself something too since yall are already here

[frigid palm]

watching this never gets old

[empty bridge]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 160+ SpD Multiscale Lugia in Electric Terrain: 325-384 (78.1 - 92.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

this is my favorite gen 9 calc

of all time

[frigid palm]

and that kids is why we should never fuck with a lugia (jk itll probably suck ass in this meta)

outside of like stall maybe

[empty bridge]

it does but it's hilarious af

[cinder fox]

this looks alr, i’d only change fairy to physdef rocks waterceus and have taunt > beam on m2

oh and low kick > cc on korai

[empty bridge]

gotcha

thanks a lot

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/d7b02ac85752a70c

[frigid palm]

what is he doing

[potent hound]

I've returned

[cinder fox]

other than that it looks good

[empty bridge]

for my first non-screens ubers team

that's gamer

👍

Arceus-Water @ Splash Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Ground
Timid Nature

• Judgment
• Stealth Rock
• Calm Mind
• Recover

this?

[cinder fox]

wisp > cm and it’s fine

[empty bridge]

gotcha

done thanks

off to laddering

[potent hound]

.

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/40ced01b361f3a04
this is my HO team for ubers

[cinder fox]

did you mean to put the attack evs into defense?

[potent hound]

wait which pokemon

[cinder fox]

fairy

[potent hound]

oh yeah mb

[frigid palm]

run 12 spe on lando

[cinder fox]

yea looks alr outside of that

and the above 12 speed lando

[empty bridge]

lemme see lol

[potent hound]

do I above 12 or is 12 fine

[frigid palm]

funny how people theorized lando to drop to uu this gen
and then home comes around and surprise surprise its great in both ou and ubers

[frigid palm]

12 or 16 at most

[cinder fox]

couple suggestions

first of all orth > samu

[potent hound]

oaky done

imma go test it out now

[frigid palm]

orthworm??

[cinder fox]

yes

orth’s shed tail is super valuable here

[frigid palm]

why

[potent hound]

can I lead with ting lu and put down spikes?

[frigid palm]

i mean ig but like why not cyc

[frigid palm]

you usually wanna lead with korai

[potent hound]

ah okay

[cinder fox]

cyc does not have the defensive advantages that orth has

Orth is a physically defensive steel and ground immune

eats anything from ekiller and groundy

and can shed tail on them

[potent hound]

just used collision course on annihilape 💀

[cinder fox]

or ko them outright

it can also put up rocks which is cool

[frigid palm]

set?

also isnt spikes better

[cinder fox]

this ho doesn’t really need spikes to get the job done

and rocks are universal

[cinder fox]

Orthworm @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Earth Eater
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature

• Shed Tail
• Stealth Rock
• Body Press
• Iron Head

can go ghost if you’re scared of korai

or ground if you want the insurance vs mirai

tera is really up to you

next you probably want tera dragon and dpulse > tera fairy and dgleam

allows mirai to actually hit clod

and still chunks ting

lastly that korai set is ass in this meta

no matter what two attacks you wanna run that set is just walled by too much

you’d prolly get better results with sd 3 attacks korai

oh and why the fuck does groundy have 0 attack ivs

[potent hound]

I led with korai and the dude led with ting tu, should I pick u turn because he might switch?

[potent hound]

nvm he afk'd and lost due to inactivity

[cinder fox]

this really isn’t the channel for that

[potent hound]

oh right mb

[cinder fox]

you can head over to #comp-general for that

[potent hound]

thanks

[cinder fox]

anyways peace i gotta go bw with my upl teammate

[torn pivot]

https://pokepast.es/141c1d5fd75c74ee

I hope this is how you do it

[sharp jolt]

https://pokepast.es/fd2f6319286dec74 Does this look proper?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[untold minnow]

https://pokepast.es/a8888165851765b1

help improve sun Team pls

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/3fb517b8203bbfb5

[thick tusk]

• You don't need Heat Rock with 2 Sun setters
• 4 choiced items is too much

There are many other things to improve but I'm certain about those 2 so start with that

[thick tusk]

Giratina isn't good in HO teams
And Iron Bundle is pretty bad without Rain+Electric Terrain

You can change both of them for 2 of Koraidon/Miraidon/Offensive Arceus/Rayquaza/Mewtwo...

[untold minnow]

Ok i changes heat rock to Leftovers what items do I change now ? Ty btw

[crude turtle]

solely focused sun is alright

but volcarona urshifu and wake are all mediocre

pick one you wanna focus on

you have no kyogre checks, too many choiced pokemon like alozy said

i would focus on the koraidon groudon flutter wake core

or actually

pick either wake or flutter tbh

flutter korai groudon

wake if you want then

maybe life orb cm flutter with that specs wake

and then a tspikes absorber over volc / shifu

as well as an arceus-form like fairyceus or groundy or ekiller etc

[crude turtle]

masquerain by itself is already kinda bad but this team has that gira and bundle that make it worse

if you wanna focus on a worse mon, focus on one

either shifu or bundle

i'd drop gira, it kills the momentum of the team, and replace it with korai or mriai

[untold minnow]

What's a good kyogre check ?

And what to replace them with

[crude turtle]

https://pokepast.es/d5aa763c7fa91cfa

something like this is more solid imo

[untold minnow]

Thank you🙏

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/8db7be3af6c51300
how does the team look now?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[crude turtle]

i mean its alright, i still think you should focus on either bundle or shifu, but realistically its fine for HO

maybe you want balloon on flutter even here

otherwise ur fine

[thick tusk]

https://pokepast.es/a1b8f76f4e17cb2a
https://pokepast.es/cb744edf116d3c41

How are these HO? Is Meowscarada or Annihilape better?

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/d7b02ac85752a70c

I got this team fixed up last night by some people but I still wanna know others' opinions

[potent hound]

why balloon?

[potent hound]

accidentally put two overheats on mirai

[crude turtle]

groundy check, ground switch-in which your team lacks

its just an option

u dont need it

[crude turtle]

meow is more consistent as a lead

all the taunters are far faster than ape

nothing is faster than meow

[thick tusk]

If you want Fighting on Zacian go Close Combat. Not Tera Fighting

[crude turtle]

oh i missed that entirely

ty

also @potent hound that koraidon set is bad

you want the stronger fighting move

Close Combat / Low Kick

ideally you'd even want to run SD over Dragon Claw

if you're going tera blast on zacian, i'd recommend tera ground, if not go with the cc recommendaiton

[crude turtle]

this looks pretty solid but i think people missed that you have physdef ting-lu

make that spdef investment with a +spdef/-spatk nature

and then you should be fine

oh also

dont run cm taunt 2a on arceus

either run cm taunt judgment recover

or cm recover judgment earth power

no recover cm is bad

[potent hound]

they told me to go taunt instead of recover

[crude turtle]

i highly doubt that was recommended by anyone good

[thick tusk]

You want to get CM buffs and Recover helps with getting multiple

[crude turtle]

also why do u have attack investment in fairyceus

[potent hound]

how would an improved version of my team look like?

[potent hound]

I was sleep deprived last night

[crude turtle]

i got it

[crude turtle]

https://pokepast.es/445c5b054164544d

here is how i would fix urs

[crude turtle]

1s i'll send over

[crude turtle]

you could also mess w tera dragon on mirai

i dont think u need tera fairy ojn this team

especially with fairyceus and flutter mane

dragon is prob more solid

[potent hound]

ok

[thick tusk]

👌

What about the rest of the team? Is M2 better or Ray? And do I want DD or CM Arceus?

Maybe EKiller?

[crude turtle]

here's one version you can work with https://pokepast.es/ab17eabe48c22cd9

[crude turtle]

im personally not a huge fan of multiple scarfers on HO

theres ppl who can make it work but i dont like it

[potent hound]

thanks

[crude turtle]

i think plot m2 works well w groundceus

so you could try that

[thick tusk]

Only Koraidon is Scarf

[potent hound]

so much lifeorb

[thick tusk]

Or do you mean Choiced?

[crude turtle]

ye choiced mb

[crude turtle]

yea lol, you can make a few of them differnet

you can make etern draco plate if u want

or make koraidon this ste

Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Low Kick
- Dragon Claw
- Flame Charge```

all different options

[crude turtle]

but yea i think plot m2 is nice w cm groundceus

im not a fan fo sub zacian but thats personal preference and if it works for you keep it up

im just worried abt your endgame wincon

actually

you need real speed wincons

[potent hound]

okay so i did use to have tera type poison on fairyceus but I changed it to ground cuz of mirai

[crude turtle]

tera poison is fine

its really ncie for cm sweepers

but test both out

[potent hound]

okay then

[crude turtle]

@thick tusk i think you'd want agility on mirai here considering none of your ho mons boost speed

either agility mirai or dd groundy

or rework to make koraidon flame charge etc

some optios

options

rn you will be revenged by a scarfer everytime

[thick tusk]

Oh I had that but I put Taunt on Mirai

[potent hound]

btw I meant to put eject pack on mirai instead of eject button that's why I dont got u turn

[thick tusk]

Now that I look at it the spread is the Agility one lmao

Miraidon @ Life Orb
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 208 HP / 252 SpA / 48 Spe
Modest Nature

• Parabolic Charge
• Draco Meteor
• Calm Mind
• Taunt

[crude turtle]

yea lmao

[crude turtle]

wait send ur team paste

the one i worked with before seems different

[potent hound]

give me a sec

https://pokepast.es/e2e66ae5a46c2d1e

i fixed it up

[empty bridge]

Does mirai need agility tho

[potent hound]

except for fairyceus

[empty bridge]

Its only outsped by zac and tied with flutter and korai

In general i mean

[crude turtle]

on HO it does

[thick tusk]

It doesn't need agility but I need a way to not get revenge killed by every scarfer

[empty bridge]

Ah on HO probably

[crude turtle]

scarf korai is the most common form of speed contorl

[empty bridge]

Yeah i can see why

[potent hound]

yep

[empty bridge]

I wasnt reading context :derp:

[crude turtle]

do u need eject pack on this team

you dont have a breaker

generally eject pack brings in something else to break

but you have no breaker anyways so i cant see it making much progress

you still have that taunt 2a fairyceus set btw please fix that

[potent hound]

yeah I am

[thick tusk]

I can't fit Agility and Taunt on Mirai right? I'd have Taunt on Groundceus and Meow only ig

[crude turtle]

yea

id rather just run dd mirai

[empty bridge]

Yeah no

[potent hound]

since draco meteor and overheat lower my sp atk most of the time I wanna switch out

[empty bridge]

You mean

Dd groundy

[crude turtle]

no

[empty bridge]

Dd mirai does not exist

[crude turtle]

double dance mirai

[empty bridge]

What

[thick tusk]

double dance

[empty bridge]

Oh

LOL

I thought you meant Dragon dance

[thick tusk]

ESeed or Lefties?

[empty bridge]

I was like what

[potent hound]

Arceus-Fairy @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 120 Def / 16 SpA / 124 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Recover
• Judgment
• Earth Power

this good?

[crude turtle]

mhm

also

even with eject pack

i'd run uturn over gleam

eject pack is single use

[potent hound]

okok

good idea

[crude turtle]

this is fine, bc generally when those moves land, miraidon gets a kill

since it ohkos nearly everything with specs

[empty bridge]

Yeah specs mirai just kills anything

Literally exact same power as specs chiyu in sun by default

With hadron engine up

(Actually a little bit less because eterrain is 30% while sun is 50 but whatever)

[frigid palm]

Can confirm

Im the biggest specs mirai stan on earth

[potent hound]

Imma change eject pack to specs

do I still need u turn

[empty bridge]

Yes

Drift + draco + u turn + overheat

[potent hound]

guess I have nothing to change

[crude turtle]

ye

this

[empty bridge]

Volt Switch is an option over uturn if you really want that pivot kill but its inferior until the very endgame

And by then you just

Drift kill anything

[crude turtle]

i wouldnt say endgame

its about even imo

[empty bridge]

So yeah

[crude turtle]

draco the grounds early game

[empty bridge]

No yeah but like

If there arent any grounds

[crude turtle]

they should be gone midgame anyways

to volt

[empty bridge]

But yeah

I like volt switch myself too but you need to know how to mess with ot

Just its funny bc

When the grounds are down

Just drift everything

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/e22b2e138d2c34e9 okay final one i think

[empty bridge]

This looks gamer

[crude turtle]

pretty standard stuff, this should be solid

[potent hound]

thanks

[thick tusk]

https://pokepast.es/cd29552055141e98 Lefties / ESeed and where NP?

[potent hound]

one guy saw this team last night and just dipped before it even started

[empty bridge]

@crude turtle question

What do you generally like best for the LORB mirai 4th move

[thick tusk]

Do 248 HP 8 Spe Ting-Lu

[empty bridge]

Overheat/taunt/drift

/sub

[potent hound]

the cm and taunt on arceus 😭

[potent hound]

sure

[crude turtle]

i'd keep psy and flame

probably drop ice beam? gknot is nice for ogre trading

its preference

[crude turtle]

oh lmfao np

it wasnt that far from a regular team anyways

[thick tusk]

Wait true xd

[crude turtle]

just some minor changes

you were basically there

[crude turtle]

yea i agree w that, just give ting lu a little bit of speed for speed

its nice

[crude turtle]

hmm

required ones are cm and stabs right

[empty bridge]

Yeah

[crude turtle]

i think taunt is nice usually

[empty bridge]

Cm draco electric

[crude turtle]

depends on team and how you want your games to be sequneced

[empty bridge]

Same

I generally like to go with either taunt or both electrics

[crude turtle]

if you're planning on dropping tera for miraidon

[empty bridge]

Both electrics have a good use because

[crude turtle]

then i'd just run something else

[empty bridge]

Drift can sweep if youre able to setup whilst parabolic is too weak without terrain

[crude turtle]

yea parabolic is fine

[empty bridge]

But yea

If you dont want the role compression

Then i like taunt most of the time

[empty bridge]

Dropping tera?

Sorry i'm stupid what does that mean lmao

[crude turtle]

as in

if you wanna use tera on miraidon in most games to break something

then you might not need taunt

since you just take out things like clod

but if you want to tera your wincon after using mirai to break

then taunt helps

[empty bridge]

Oh lol

Yes

For the first one kinda hot take but i like running both Electric stabs

[thick tusk]

https://pokepast.es/e1db6ae5fb037f97 can I actually do Taunt+CM Groundceus?

[empty bridge]

Lol

[thick tusk]

I need a Taunt somewhere ig

[empty bridge]

Taunt + cm ground

Uh

I know arceus runs taunt + cm

Not sure if ground does

[crude turtle]

no

if you want a taunt somewhere run taunt on koraidon or something

or dont run cm groundy

run dd groundy

[thick tusk]

Arceus-Ground @ Earth Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Dragon Dance
• Gravity
• Taunt

This?

[crude turtle]

i meant something more just like

dd eq dragon claw taunt

but that is fine if u really want gravity

[thick tusk]

Okayy tysm

[torn pivot]

Mind if I repost my team again?

[tender coyote]

Looking for some new Pokémon for this DUbers team. Considered Baxcalibur, Clodsire, or Iron Treads. Is there a way to add them to the team while helping the others, or new members? Pls help-

[crude turtle]

dubers is closer to doubles than ubers

i'd recommend looking for help ther

there*

[torn pivot]

https://pokepast.es/141c1d5fd75c74ee

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[torn pivot]

Would really appreciate some feedback

[thick tusk]

You need an actual Koraidon and Zacian answer as Arceus dies to 2 Flare Blitz unless Rain is up and can't do anything against Zacian
Not sure if you should take out Eternatus or Tina tho
Lando/Skeledirge instead of Tina or Toxapex instead of Eternatus

[torn pivot]

alirght if i take out tina for lando waht should the rest of the team look like

Or would skeledirge be better

Actually maybe lando

[crude turtle]

i agree w the pex change

i would potentially also just make ogre a koraidon

scarf ogre kinda sucks

[lime prairie]

Scarf ogre is very strong imo

But scarf koraidon > it is fine

Gives you a speed tier above dd arc which could help into certain types like dd ground w ice beam / gravity

A bit up to preference tho especially depending on what types you tera and just how you like to play imo

[cinder fox]

https://pokepast.es/889f83f277bb17ce
bw, relatively new to this tier

[torn pivot]

Except the idea is to build a team around Kyogre

[scenic falcon]

quite new the tier, any advice?

https://pokepast.es/be341b20d2f7da42

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[warped pier]

doesn't look bad overall, I'd change some small details:
-run tera fairy on skeledirge instead of tera flying, tera flying is just a direct upgrade of it (immunity to dragon attacks, resist fighting)
-change quick attack for something else like Crunch, Swords Dance, and change tera Water for something like Tera Flying, Tera Electric, or Tera Dark.
-I'd slot psyshock on flutter mane instead of Power Gem, which in itself doesn't grant you anything

[scenic falcon]

alr thank you

[thick tusk]

• Tera Fire is also great for Zacian
• Low Kick hits as hard as CC to most threats in Ubers so unless you really value the consistency of CC I would use that on Koraidon
• Also I like to put at least 8 Spe EVs on Skeledirge and Ting-Lu for the 1vs1. You can go 248/252/8 on both

[thick tusk]

Do you know where there are the most recent resources for bw ubers? I'm not familiar with the forums yet and I've found 3 different Viability Rankings already

[empty bridge]

oh yeah maybe

just maybe

not sure but

mystical fire > thunder on flutter

because thunder with korai is amogus

but idk if you need thunder for kyogre

[scenic falcon]

Yea I was mainly using it for kyogre but I’ll try out mystical fire

[cinder fox]

upl recently ended, you can check the usage stats for what has been popular in the meta

[thick tusk]

Ty 👌

[torn pivot]

So is there a way to build a team around kyogre?

[crude turtle]

yes for sure

[torn pivot]

Elaborate?

[crude turtle]

honestly im not a fan of scarf ogre but its not awful, i'd start by taking a look at upl replays and stuff

its usually paired with things that appreciate ting lu/dirge/lando gone

such as korai / mirai / zacian

etc

[mild root]

hello i just made a regidrago team can someone check it for me Gholdengo @ Life Orb
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Thunder Wave
• Thunderbolt

Mimikyu @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Disguise
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Phantom Force
• Trick Room
• Taunt
• Draining Kiss

Tornadus (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Protect
• Taunt
• Icy Wind

Urshifu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Head
• Bulk Up
• Sucker Punch
• Drain Punch

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• U-turn
• Fake Out
• Stomping Tantrum
• Wood Hammer

Regidrago @ Dragon Fang
Ability: Dragon's Maw
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dragon Energy
• Dragon Pulse
• Earth Power
• Protect

[frigid palm]

pretty sure you posted this in the wrong thread

since this looks to be a doubles team

[thick tusk]

Wanted to make a Chien-Pao team

How is this? https://pokepast.es/c44621b467190804

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[versed lava]

Looks cool, but very weak to hazards

I think band pao is hard to play around

Especially with no hazards remover

[crude turtle]

yea you def need some sort of removal on pao build

i've run it w hatt on really offensive builds but even then a corv / gira-o is always appreciated

[thick tusk]

Need a 7th mon 😔

I don't know how to slot a defogger

And boots Chien-Pao sounds like it deals 0 damage

[crude turtle]

I’d prob slot corv over lando and go scarf korai instead

That prob solved it

[thick tusk]

Yeah that makes sense

The problem is that 80+% of my teams end up having Scarf Koraidon xd

It's too good

[crude turtle]

yea lmfao

[oblique smelt]

i need the esance of M O N K E on my team but cant find a final member

Any suggestions

[coral onyx]

we don't even know what your team is

[blazing quartz]

anni is a literal monkey

[mild root]

oh mb

[azure parrot]

https://pokepast.es/c1a8ae914e594d33
Team I’ve cooked up

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[azure parrot]

Bundle used to be timid but I was able to ev it to be as high sp atk while still being booster speed

Steel roller is for e-terain teams

Tera fire overheat is my zacian counter
Fire blast used to be recover
Blizzard used to be air cutter

[crude turtle]

for the most part this team isnt really viable

well

there are some parts that are definitely alright

but some definitely need some changing

1. bundle set is not good. i understand the point but booster is generally not great on a pokemon like bundle who has severe power issues anyways, and its only niche comes from outspeeding koraidon / miraidon naturally. since you're now slower than both after you switch out, you are going to be much less useful in your typical game

2. koraidon's uturn is one of its most important traits, you dont really need wild charge especially on cb sets which can just hit outrage to break pex dozo

3. offensive treads sucks and eterrain teams arent really a thing

4. no recover on eternatus on this kinda team is not great either, and eternatus being that slow is generally not preferred

also arceus-flying kinda sucks

you do have usable parts in a miraidon "check" and a physical wall check, as well as etern + cb korai though

here's a version that you might be able to use a bit easier

https://pokepast.es/b331f258450654d9

[azure parrot]

@crude turtle thanks for helping me out

I built the team around Tera fighting iron bundle able to hit almost everything super effectively for one big sweep. arceus fly only stayed on the team cause it was constantly putting in work in my games. And reeds was added only for a fast spinner.

I do think your changes are all around better though

By “my games” I mean 1200-1300 elo

[crude turtle]

what in particular gets hit super effectively by tera fight

there are very few dark types and the ones that do usually get hit hard by its stabs

anyways np gl

[empty bridge]

on a 10 hour late questsion i got just by coming here and looking

what's the advantage on u-turn over flip turn on bundle

ik it's like a 2 damage difference but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frigid palm]

u turn cant get blocked by water absorb clod

while flip turn can

so u turn allows you to maintain momentum vs teams with clod

[empty bridge]

Ah fair lmao

[thick tusk]

That's why most Miraidon run U-Turn instead of Volt Switch too

One hits Ting-Lu and the other doesn't

[frigid palm]

or clod

[cinder fox]

so bundle is unviable already but like

why would bundle need u-turn over flip turn

when it threatens clod with stab ice beam

[crude turtle]

it really doesnt matter anymore

[crude turtle]

theres zero difference

[empty bridge]

fair lmfao

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thick tusk]

What's that

[oblique smelt]

the team?

[thick tusk]

What you sent is a box of like 30 pokemon

[oblique smelt]

i know

its custom game

there isnt a thread for it

[thick tusk]

Ask in "NatDex-NonOU" or "Other". I don't think anyone will be able to help you here

[oblique smelt]

ok

[frigid palm]

i mean if its specs and you just wanna pivot in a situation then u turn is probably better

[fast creek]

Lil beginners team

[thick tusk]

Can you send a link?

[woeful geyser]

No need for bulk up if your only running special moves on arceus

[woeful geyser]

Also Tera Ice on garchomp? Ice is one of the if not the worst defensive types out there

[woeful geyser]

Replace poison barb on Tox with leftovers Tox isn't an offensive pokemon its a bulky wall that helps set up

[thick tusk]

It doen't even have poison moves

[woeful geyser]

Yeah it only has 2 water moves

Mystic water would make a little more sense

But even then leftovers is to good for tox

[fast creek]

My only reason is cause of the dragon weakness

[woeful geyser]

Then go tera steel or something

[thick tusk]

Ice doesn't resist dragon. Just go Steel or Fairy

[woeful geyser]

Tera fairy is a good choice as steel and poison types are beaten by your ground moves

[fast creek]

And my plan is to set up toxic spikes with tox, then switch to froslass for snowscape then blizzard

[thick tusk]

Froslass does 0 damage in Ubers

[woeful geyser]

Impulsive play a match against me i got a team from a while back

[thick tusk]

It doesn't matter if you make Blizzard 100% accuracy

[fast creek]

Wym I won a game with froslass using the setup

[fast creek]

Wait there

Helping my mum out

[thick tusk]

Yeah you can win 1 game with anything, the point of making a team is making one that can win consistently

[fast creek]

But fro the description for blizzard says it can’t miss

[thick tusk]

It doesn't kill anything with 80 base SpA

Froslass is a suicide lead

Not a wallbreaker

[fast creek]

Ahhhh

[thick tusk]

It sets up spikes and maybe a twave and dies

[fast creek]

I’m new to this whole shit

Like the comp Pokémon

[thick tusk]

You should look at this to make teams

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings-post-home.3724082/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar-post-home.3723557/

[fast creek]

I’m just used to spamming the strongest moves when I was a kid

[thick tusk]

Those are example teams and the list of the usable Pokemon in Ubers ordered from best to wrost

[fast creek]

Cheers man 👍

@woeful geyser ready

How do we do this

[woeful geyser]

Wait impulsive I saw ur team

Its only fair you see mine

https://pokepast.es/c2fc8b24fde2d980

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thick tusk]

rip

[woeful geyser]

@fast creek i sent a battle request

[fast creek]

Ok gimme some tips

I’m very new

Like this morning new

[thick tusk]

Please speak on dm or #comp-general

[fast creek]

Ok

[foggy coral]

https://pokepast.es/be4f49c97025b5f0 hi

gen 9 is so confusing to me

i have no idea what im doing

[foggy coral]

my idea was Koraidon as physical breaker, Miraidon as my sweeper, Ting-Lu as funny SpDef wall, Arceus-Fairy to not auto lose to dragon, Flutter mane as my SpA wallbreaker and speed control, and Skeledirge as I hate Zacian-C

[cinder fox]

this is a p solid base, your two main issues are not having any outs vs groundy and tspikes

i’d say put scarf > band korai, defensive lando-t > flutter, and pex > dirge

i also like max speed timid fairy here

248 hp 8 spa 252 speed timid

with pex you want recover haze infestation and tspikes/toxic

otherwise this is p solid

[foggy coral]

what do i do about Behemoth bash, wild charge, play rough?

and what does max speed do for it?

arceus fairy

[thick tusk]

Be faster or as fast as other Arceus

[foggy coral]

whats my out w those changes to zacian C

doesnt he 2 tap defensive lando T

or 2 tap w any chip

[thick tusk]

You use both Pex and Lando

Also Scarf Korai is faster than it

[foggy coral]

ah ok

since defense lando t runs SR should i switch arceus fairy to calm mind w poison tera type?

also flutter mane is cary

scary

[thick tusk]

Not sure about the tera but mono fairy cm Arceus is fine

[foggy coral]

https://pokepast.es/4e2c6cba05cfe365

[thick tusk]

I prefer Rocky Helmet on Lando and Pex

Or at least on one of them

But definitely don't go Black Sludge on Pex, you are telling the opponent that you are 100% tera Poison with that item

[cinder fox]

i say helmet on both

lando really wants the physical attackers its trying to check chipped with each attack

[thick tusk]

Also I'd put more Spe on Lando to Taunt Tina and other Lando

You don't need max Def max HP as you have multiple other answers to physical threats

Go for like 40-50 EVs, not max Spe tho

[foggy coral]

tina?

[thick tusk]

Giratina

[foggy coral]

really? isnt there a lot of contactless mons where it's better that he doesnt get chipped out vs

[foggy coral]

0 speed lando t is faster? and people dont typically invest in a +speed nature?

ive only ever seen max def max hp tina

w like 4 speed

which hits 217

lando t hits base 218

ig if they go 8 it ties

so 4 speed lando t?

or 8 speed incase they tech more

[thick tusk]

Koraidon, Zacian and U-Turn make contact. That's already like half of the moves that you will tank with Lando and Pex
Apart from EQ I can't think of many relevant physical moves that don't make contact

[thick tusk]

Standard Giratina runs 16 Spe and most good players run more

Well, I'm talking about Giratina-O, ig that the other form runs less Spe but it's used a lot less

[cinder fox]

@foggy coral this exactly

[foggy coral]

I wasn't thinking about that lol, it's op because you go like tera poison and are only weak to psychic cause levitate right

I see lots of people going defensive on it

Which doesn't make sense to me since it has less defensive stats than regular tina?

I'm guessing levitate is just that big

[thick tusk]

Yeah it's better on most teams just because of Levitate

Base Giratina has to run boots to defog properly while Giratina-O doesn't even get affected by Spikes or TSpikes

[foggy coral]

yea

that's pretty nutty

alr

16 speed lando t?

just lost to CM Mag and CM Cosmic Arceus fairy

also no defog

so i have to prevent setup solely w taunt lando

[thick tusk]

You also have Whirlwind on Ting-Lu

[foggy coral]

haze pex is really cool until stored power

[foggy coral]

Ting-Lu is really cool until they click moonblast/judgement with fairy plate

[thick tusk]

Arceus has to be at like +3 to OHKO Ting-Lu tho

[foggy coral]

well he gets chipped out really easily ive found

idk my issue is that like

idk what to do when they have fairy and psychic coverage

like im losing because they have a fairy type move + psychic to deal w tera poison pex

lowkey might switch to tera water or even like

tera dark idk lol

@thick tusk palkia origin is walking through my team

im switching pex to toxic instead of tspikes

[thick tusk]

What's the team right now?

[fast creek]

Plz give tips im new to game :)

https://pokepast.es/f9d0fd12c993d4be

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thick tusk]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/uber/

[crude turtle]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar-post-home.3723557/ here are some teams you can use to get started

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/e91db3e5510bad55

Wanted to use Band Koraidon, came up with this

@crude turtle can i tag you because chatot is on cooldown lol!

[crude turtle]

Sure

1s let me take a look

[empty bridge]

bet

[crude turtle]

i forgot

umm

this looks okay

well one main issue

you def want ting lu over aldno here

need a mirai check

speed control is kinda annoying for htis team bc you have cb korai

but i think its passable w good play

but yea just make ting over lando, and make dirge tera water or flying

[empty bridge]

Gotcha man

Thanks

Also yeah i changed dirge type afterwards lol

[cinder fox]

https://pokepast.es/d0f3a807c675b83d

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder fox]

DPP, am new to the tier and wanted to try lead Deo-A

[fast creek]

Ubers

https://pokepast.es/9f20e8616dfe9e90

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty bridge]

I'm not that good but theres one or another thing i can help with

A few mons here are unviable while others seem fine

What were you trying to go for with the team?

(As in, you wanted something more offense, fat/balance, bulky offense, stall?)

[fast creek]

I wanted something more balanced, but idk if I did that. Polteageist with shell smash and white herb is to give it buffs to keep up with the other mon, without the debuffs

[thick tusk]

Why use Polteageist tho?

[empty bridge]

yeah i figured you wnted something with balance

polteageist is completely unviable in ubers tho

your defenses seem reasonably solid

other than washtom

[fast creek]

Who is good?

[empty bridge]

as far as i am concerned, i'm gonna say specs mirai > polt, something like physdef giratina (altered) > washtom

ting-lu > clodsire is optional

also fire punch > fire blast because it's sd groundon

scarf korai over groudon is also an option

but i'm not sure if it's better or not

https://pokepast.es/c23e9d5f081b4798 I came up with this for yall and might steal it for myself if it's good, but we should probably wait for a real rater eventually

@fast creek

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty bridge]

lmfao

[crude turtle]

lol

[empty bridge]

ok i did not mean to do this

but since you're already here taka can you double check

😭

[crude turtle]

Gira a is not good on these

Go gira o

[empty bridge]

ah ok

same set?

[crude turtle]

Well

Just grab a sample set for gira

Draco hex wisp defog etc

[empty bridge]

i'm dumb right

[crude turtle]

The team is aight, no speed control can be awkward but it’s not the worst thing nor required

[empty bridge]

i thought about scarf korai over zac or mirai

but i'm not sure if it's superior at all

other than that thanks

[crude turtle]

You could drop zacian for scarf korai maybe yea but it’s not needed I tub

Think

Both of that are viable changes

[empty bridge]

ig

https://pokepast.es/70fe06c1e134b098

ok now we wait for impulsive to return fr

[thick tusk]

Go 8 Spe on Skele and Ting-Lu

[empty bridge]

Ah fair

Wait what does it outspeed?

[thick tusk]

Nothing, other Ting-Lu and Skele. But it's worth it imo

[foggy coral]

https://pokepast.es/4e2c6cba05cfe365 is my only way to not make this team bad and have hazard removal taunt Lando-T?

[fervent hare]

https://pokepast.es/accfffd1b22da4ed

Shadow Tag Gothitelle cheese because I am bad person with no shame whatsoever.

[thick tusk]

I don't understand your question but you should put Rocky Helmet on Toxapex and Lando-T

[crude turtle]

this is a pretty standard build

[cinder fox]

The changes I’d recommend would just create my double choice balance build, I’d suggest using it since it’s very similar to what you currently have
https://pokepast.es/bd03135e50808ef1

[foggy coral]

yea i did actually switch both lando t and pex to helmets

well i kept pex on sludge because there were a lot of matches I won because pex lived chip

[thick tusk]

Go leftovers on Pex then. Sludge is giving away that you are Tera Poison for free

[foggy coral]

https://pokepast.es/33f27e4a3846a2d1 ive been running this atm

def helmet on pex this set as my main zacian C answer

[foggy coral]

i switched giratina O to SpA vers

[cinder fox]

https://pokepast.es/12334e0ac5323163
Day 2 of asking for a dpp rate, wanted to try lead Deo-A and this is seeming to work

[leaden spindle]

I need help tweaking a gen 8 team! I’m new to team building so any critiques, even the smallest ones would be helpful.

Just please be nice 😅

https://pokepast.es/3fa39535271c2e7c

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[leaden spindle]

I know there are some pretty average mons on the team, but I’m not looking to like climb the ladder with this team or anything, i specifically made a gen 8 team to battle a guy I work with who keeps bugging me to battle since he found out I like Pokémon. He doesn’t have scarlet and doesn’t want to play me on showdown so I built one on sword to battle him. He won’t stop bugging me and he’s very full of himself about his battling abilities (even tho he didn’t know what choice items were) so I very badly want to beat him lol

[cinder fox]

https://pokepast.es/14ce20eee9255675
Day 3 of asking for a DPP rate

[tawdry estuary]

Bro just dm shrang when you see he's online

[tawdry estuary]

Your team is not competent for Gen 8 Ubers. I think the best way for you to see why is by looking at the sample teams and viability rankings. The reason I'm saying this is because your team is not equipped to handle the metagame at all.

I would have already linked you those two but I'm on phone

You can access those by typing /tier gen8ubers in any chat on showdown

Don't worry, only you can see that

[leaden spindle]

I’m not looking to run this team in Ubers, this chat is just where everyone keeps pushing me lol I’m really just trying to find someone to critique the team in general, like balance wise and coverage. Sorry if it’s against tos in this chat to do that but no one else seems to want to help me lol

[tawdry estuary]

I am trying to help you

It's just that the fundamentals of this team don't work

I was just rating your team

[leaden spindle]

Ok. So you think I should just look at other team examples and start over completely?

There’s no way to tweek some of the mons/replace them to make it mesh better?

[tawdry estuary]

Not just other team examples, it's clear you aren't really familiar with the metagame, and you don't have to start over completely

[leaden spindle]

I am not lol I’m not good at team building

[tawdry estuary]

There is, but that would basically have to be your entire team replaced

[leaden spindle]

I feel like I have a good grasp at battling, but I am terrible at team building

[tawdry estuary]

Only urshifu is good, and pex is only viable on stall

[leaden spindle]

I do ok with random battles on showdown but I get clapped when making my own team. But really? Dang. I like pex lol that’s good to know tho

[tawdry estuary]

I'm just saying what you need to do to build a "good" team

[leaden spindle]

I know and I appreciate it

[tawdry estuary]

Ah alright then

[leaden spindle]

I figured that team was bad but I didn’t know it was THAT bad lol

[tawdry estuary]

Yea, you could probably see it by looking at the pokemon in the tier

[leaden spindle]

So how do you go about team building if you don’t mind me asking?

[tawdry estuary]

Just about every legendary sweeps you from preview

[tawdry estuary]

Look at those things I mentioned before

Viability rankings and sample teams for Gen 8 ubers

[leaden spindle]

I was just under the assumption that you could have some Uber mons and work from there. I didn’t realize all/most needed to be Uber.

I’ll do some more studying. I appreciate your help

[tawdry estuary]

No problem, and yea most mons need to be Uber if not all

[chilly matrix]

https://pokepast.es/06cfb7985210af2b

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chilly matrix]

hows this gen 4 ubers

[steep tulip]

You're really gonna struggle to switch into any dragon move when you have no steel-type. I'd honestly probably go bulkier ogre with twave and then drop Darkrai for sth like Bronzong. That way you can either pivot rocks onto Zong and go scarf Dialga or run some more utility on it

[chilly matrix]

What spread would you go on kyorge

https://pokepast.es/e774f06c56d2c824

like this?

how do I switch in darkri

[fast creek]

What is a good garchomp based team? It’s my favourite mon and really want to use it

[steep tulip]

sth like that! I think sleep talk on Dialga is nigh mandatory, drop fire blast probably

[steep tulip]

What gen

[fast creek]

9th

[steep tulip]

Don't use Garchomp it has no niche in Ubers whatsoever

[thick tusk]

You can use it as a really bad Lando-T with no U-Turn, no Taunt, no Intimidate and no ground immunity.

So like yeah, sadly no niche tbh

[fast creek]

[fervent hare]

https://pokepast.es/d4b92feeb25ba6a1
Built this with the help of a couple people on the Ubers server
Wanted to run it through here to see if there was any further optimizations I could make :)

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fervent hare]

Mian idea is overloading a ton of broken Special Attackers to abuse the fact that the tier's Special Walls are uh...
well let's just say not up to par with the Physical Walls, on top of being really easy for the Special Breakers to exploit.

One variation I was thinking abt was Scarf Etern and CM Breaker Mirai, but I haven't sold myself on that idea yet.

https://pokepast.es/1005d36c65d88def
It'd just be this basically, but again, Idt it's better than what I have now.

[frigid palm]

one minor optimisation is running 12 or 16 spe on lando so ur faster than other lando and 12 spe defensive groudon

i also like lefties on lando over helmet but thats just preference for the most part

also, why modest on scarf etern?

[hexed pasture]

so i built this from my experience in room tours, i dont normally play singles so i figure'd id ask people who know what they're doing how it might be improved https://pokepast.es/8882a03729fb6a7c , usually arceus or caly open but it kinda feels like everything is a wincon in ubers? (not the best at analysis) i think most of the evs are slider but theyve worked alright, but i assume it could be a lot better lol

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fervent hare]

https://pokepast.es/4c6b56e49283d134
Not super confident in this build but I love the idea behind it.
Basically, the plan is to abuse the abundance of hazards in the tier, and the difficulty that comes with removing them, and use it so that either Ray, or Miraidon can blitz through entire teams without another thought.

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fervent hare]

Tspikes is just a coincidence, I only added Etern bc I was particularly worried about Ogre.

Zacian is also a problem MU somewhat but I think with smart Teras + Don I should be able to outplay.

[steep tulip]

your zacian MU is actually atrocious; tusk has very little to do in this team

and honestly with how many mons run boots atm idt just spamming spikes is a wincon as easily

[fervent hare]

The one, only, singular reason I even bothered to run Tusk over Lando was specifically just because it could spin away Rocks for Ray.

Otherwise that would be the fastest Lando Slap ever.

[fervent hare]

https://pokepast.es/f2ab2f1a3540265c
Most immediate alternative build off the top of my head.

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/8e819589b284ed1f
i wanted to build a team around mirai + specs bundle since theres no real ice switch ins in the tier, i think i need to remove koraidon though since it hinders bundles hydro pump

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid palm]

any thoughts on what i should change?

[prisma granite]

https://pokepast.es/2178260d683ba8cb anything i should change?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

yes @prisma granite the channel in which you're asking

[prisma granite]

Isnt this ubers

Ah this is single ubers

My bad

[steep tulip]

DOU is more likely to get you help

[warped pier]

^

[thick tusk]

Dpp https://pokepast.es/a38b2a8f6e1809e5 how is this team?

TWave on Darkrai might be too much but apart from that idk

[outer wind]

SV https://pokepast.es/ea0a7a988fee47f9
Many different pokemon to lead, but I have problems with closing games. Feelsbad into sun

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fervent hare]

With all due respect, what does this do VS Zacian?

[crude turtle]

Tbh

Ray does nothing for this team

Make that a lando or smth

[outer wind]

thank you for the advice

[versed lava]

you need a check to zac/korai

so yeah ray should be a lando or a skeledirge

[main berry]

How would you rate my team for NDU? Anything you'd recommend?

[cinder fox]

ok so this channel doesn’t actually rate ndubers

you’re better off heading over to the natdex non-ou tiers channel for ndubers help

[main berry]

Ight

Except it locked 🙁

[nova yarrow]

Can y’all rate my team please?

I want to replace annihilape/dracovish/darmanitan but I don’t know with what

I originally had mr puppy dog hound stone (or basculegion) but he fell and I replaced him with annihilape

Should I bring him back because last respects is broken? Should I run Smeargle with it because he for some reason isn’t banned?

Please @ me if you respond so I can get the notif :))

[tawdry estuary]

@nova yarrow unfortunately we don't rate national dex teams here, for national dex rates ask in national dex other tiers

[nova yarrow]

My bad sorry

[tawdry grail]

https://pokepast.es/e5dcff2125d5e3dc can someone rate my team im learnig teambuilding

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

Sorry to say but this isn't optimal at all with Aegislash and Rapidash actually having no viability whatsoever

I do appreciate that for some of your Pokemon you used the dex sets! That's good, it means you are doing more than the average new player

But if you wanna play Ubers you gotta adhere to the rules, which in this case means bringing the big and strong Pokemon

I'd recommend checking out our sample teams and Viability Rankings to see what people commonly use. Then you should ask yourseld "can I break these walls / can I take on these Pokemon with my current team?"

[tawdry grail]

Tks for the help

[steep tulip]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-old-gens-hub.3714123/#post-9462704

This link is very helpful

[proven bough]

https://pokepast.es/5df04ba0d0125c84

Rate my Gen 9 Uber Sun Team?

[fast iron]

I don’t believe this team would get anywhere. Torkoal is unviable in Ubers, so sun teams typically use Koraidon and/or Groudon as their sun setters.

[proven bough]

Any other changes?

[fast iron]

Oh yes- I expect there to be more changes, but I’m not experienced enough to give a good answer

[proven bough]

Would putting a heat rock on korai or groudon be viable? I’ve heard its not

[fast iron]

No.

Generally speaking, it’s better just to put them back in if you need sun up again

[proven bough]

Alright

[proven bough]

Should I swap sky shaymin with great tusk for rapid spin?

[fast iron]

I’m not confident enough in my ability to answer that well

[tawdry grail]

https://pokepast.es/f707474f23cb6985 is this team viable?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle, @cinder fox. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[warped pier]

short answer: no
longer answer: I suggest you to follow the ressource threads regarding Ubers, as this team doesn't seem viable in (I assume) SS Ubers. In particular, this team loses quite hard to common cores such as Zekrom + Groudon. It does look like a certain stall team used in high level tournaments, but with some of the Pokemon changed, for the worse
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-old-gens-hub.3714123/post-9462704

[cinder fox]

i gotchu fam

[fast iron]

ty 🥺

[cinder fox]

Ok so first of all like Prikki said, Torkoal is unviable. Koraidon and Groudon just do the job on sun setting better than Torkoal could ever hope to.

Skymin and Ogerpon-H do absolutely nothing for this team as well. Chi-Yu always wants a power boosting item/Nasty Plot and this team can afford neither. I’d drop Chi-Yu, Skymin, and Ogerpon-H here.

Replace Torkoal with Defensive Groudon, it can provide quite a lot of good utility like Spikes as well as checking DD Groundy and Zacian

This Koraidon set isn’t bad by pre-DLC standards, but it’s outdated now that Koraidon has Scale Shot. Drop Collision Course for Low Kick, Dragon Claw for Scale Shot, Flame Charge for Flare Blitz, and I’d also recommend using Loaded Dice over Lefties here.

In the next slot I like Tusk here, it can somewhat stave off Koraidon and revenge Zacian and not Scarfed Mirai (that is, a LOT of Mirai) in sun. I’d go for this set:

Great Tusk @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Bulk Up
• Ice Spinner
• Headlong Rush
• Rapid Spin

I have more to say but I’m occupied atm so remind me to finish a bit later

[proven bough]

Alr

I have 2 empty slots, what should I fill them with?

I was thinking hdb volcarona for one of them, but i’m not entirely sure

[cinder fox]

no

volcarona is completely unviable, it’s too slow and frail to consistently find any opportunity to set up

[proven bough]

Then what should i put for my 2 empty slots

I just realized i need a fire mon

[cinder fox]

Not necessarily

A sun focused team just needs mons that benefit from sun

That said

You might want a bit more of a special presence, especially one that doesn’t need sun to bring out its full potential

I think I like CM Taunt Mirai next

Life Orb Parabolic Charge Draco CM Taunt

max spatk max speed timid

[proven bough]

I did want to ask how ogerpon H would be useless though

Is it because Korai already fulfills its role with sd?

[cinder fox]

It’s too slow and frail

[proven bough]

Oh ok

so what should I have for my last slot

i assume its not tera ice regieleki

I was thinking of hdb iron moth cuz quark drive and sun but ehhhhhh my team is weak enough to ground

[cinder fox]

you need an arc

[proven bough]

Arceus fire? Or something to balance out my team’s weaknesses?

[cinder fox]

definitely NOT fireceus

hmm tell you want

a fun idea you could try is going cm taunt fairyceus and replacing flutter with walking wake

[proven bough]

What should be the tera on arc

[proven bough]

But I have taunt mirai…

[cinder fox]

Taunt Mirai isn’t meant to be a sweeper, it’s meant to be a breaker

Also two Taunts is not a bad thing

[proven bough]

So cm taunt recover judgement?

[cinder fox]

Here try this
https://pokepast.es/4d675928a9e30cb0

[proven bough]

Alr thank you

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/3cdbf1dbbb15e0d1

thinking mage could be mirai here

and someone suggested eleki screens instead of grimm for rapid spin

[cinder fox]

.

whoever told you that

excommunicate them

[empty bridge]

lmao

[cinder fox]

grimm is STRICTLY better than eleki

[empty bridge]

...noted

[cinder fox]

This grimm set is fine tbh

[empty bridge]

mage is only here for special presence