Ubers

[silver dragon]

without having coil problems

cant ferro chip

all of them

[opaque parrot]

I meant

[silver dragon]

with knock off

[opaque parrot]

Teammates for m2 who want ndm or yveltal chipped

Aka Mons like

Calys geoxern

[silver dragon]

ferro can chip ndm

aswell yvetal

[opaque parrot]

Ur not getting my point tbh

M2 is kinda super hard to build with but if you want to use it I would use smth like

[silver dragon]

yea because ur only saying about offensive pressure

isnt whole point of chip dmg bein a defensive mon

[opaque parrot]

No lol

M2 lures yveltal and sometimes ndm in and can chip them heavily

For the mons who like them being chipped hard

You could just do like

Ndm ygod etern calys M2 and whatever last

[silver dragon]

ig im sort of weak to dragon dance ndm

[opaque parrot]

Idk I would just not recommend using Mewtwo in the first place but if you want to that's the easiest way to go

[silver dragon]

i thought he isnt bad

[opaque parrot]

It's

Okay, i guess

But it's hard to build and doesn't accomplish much

I have a M2 xern team somewhere if you want it, but it's not offensive m2

[silver dragon]

kk no prob ill try the changes

[opaque parrot]

Alr

[silver dragon]

so how bout this team ive tried to use band ho oh although ig i just should use the sp def one https://pokepast.es/aa0b5524b4e47068 for SS

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[opaque parrot]

this looks good

[warped pier]

It doesn't

Rocks can be very hard to take away with only Yveltal free to do so

Band hooh shouldn't be used on a team with only one defogger

[opaque parrot]

its sorta hard to fit another removal tho

band hooh kinda loves having don, + having big 3 leaves you one slot

[warped pier]

Point is, in this team you CAN'T fit band hooh

Fwiw, hdb offensive hooh makes a really good job

And doesn't come at the risk of losing just because well, rocks are up

It's really a winning trade here

Also hooh likes Groudon poisoning kyogre on switch, so ogre can't switch in safely on brave bird afterwards

Anw, band hooh is indeed hard to fit

I think one of the only team using it reliably is the Pohjis semi stall

With Giratina and Yveltal as defoggers

(and even Hooh has it so it's technically a triple defog squad)

[bright wind]

https://pokepast.es/dbc5cef482b9602d

[lone ledge]

dont use hawlucha, i know its enticing with unburden but it just sucks ass

[bright wind]

yea i thought of that too

should i put valient?

[lone ledge]

tbh i dont think ive seen a valiant in ubers before, id have to think abt it

but most of the time if you want an offensive fairy type, just use flutter

[bright wind]

alr

[lone ledge]

also your chien just gets ruined by rocks

id either put hdb or slot rapid spin on treads

[bright wind]

alr

[lone ledge]

btw eq > roost on moon

speaking of flutter, your team barely has any switch ins to it

sure you do have treads, but like
252 SpA Life Orb Flutter Mane Mystical Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Iron Treads: 198-234 (51.5 - 60.9%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

wait the item isnt av my bad

252 SpA Life Orb Flutter Mane Mystical Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Iron Treads: 133-159 (34.6 - 41.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

btw you arent even running max hp so itd be more like 252 SpA Life Orb Flutter Mane Mystical Fire vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Iron Treads: 133-159 (41.3 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

still good but pretty sure treads gets 2hkoed with rocks up

[bright wind]

alr

max hp and max spd with av and careful nature

i put eq on moon

[silver dragon]

Oh alr then

[lost sable]

https://pokepast.es/3778a602e59b2335 kinda slapped stuff together, theres like 0 defensive switching on the team but its ho. all smogon sets, would like to ask is electric seed worth it on espathra?

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[steep tulip]

E seed is fine, these 6 have been built a ton of times

Team is honestly OK

[lost sable]

ic

no parting shot on grimm tho?

what does pr do

[opaque parrot]

Doesn't let Pao beat you

[silver dragon]

Also u can beat him back

[cinder fox]

as the guy who wrote the analysis on uber lucha, i disagree. hawlucha is def not a metagame defining threat, but it’s very hard to stop late game and is worth using on some ho teams

[cinder fox]

that said, this team has a couple issues

roaring moon literally doesn’t fit for one, the treads set is terrible, and you have a couple moves and other shit you shouldn’t have elsewhere

[bright wind]

alr

[cinder fox]

so here’s my changes

flutter mane > moon

it can punish koraidon’s sun more directly than roaring moon, while also threatening dondozo and Skeledirge, Hawlucha’s best counters

Taunt > Fire Punch on Hawlucha

[cinder fox]

Taunt can stop phazing attempts from Ting-Lu, recovery attempts from stuff like Corviknight, and status like Clodsire's Toxic

Alternatively you can use Roost

Next, switch the Treads set to attacking Assault Vest, with Volt Switch over Knock Off

This not only lets Treads spin hazards (now that I think about it why tf did your treads not have spin?) and counter dd mirai better
it also allows you to safely revenge kill flutter in terrain
and you can even pivot if needed

lastly, i would switch chien-pao for skeledirge

your team gets bullied by setup koraidon as it is now, and dirge counters setup korai

oh one final thing

boots on bundle

oh and tera fighting on lucha as well

shit i forgot one final change

you only want 140 speed evs on lucha

this is enough to outspeed everything after unburden

even bundle in terrain

afterwards just pour everything else in spdef

https://pokepast.es/eda6b39f87dc4af4

[austere trout]

https://pokepast.es/308f39d8ae3e4924 this team has been doing well for me but i keep losing to cscarf moxie krookodile, any tips on changes i should make

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[steep tulip]

Losing to what now

You should probably make Miraidon into a pivot set and maybe adopt a Ting-Lu instead of the flutter mane

That way you have a very solid double ground core and hazards

[austere trout]

ight

[austere trout]

yeah its weird

first time i saw it i thought it was some sort of gimmick set cause i havent seen anyone use krookodile in ubers

then i saw it again in another match

also miraidon already has a pivot set

[opaque parrot]

Shouldn't Mirai be av but like the proper av spread here

For bundle counterplay

[steep tulip]

I'm gonna be honest the more I looked at the valiant the less I wanted to continue

[opaque parrot]

.

Fair enough

[steep tulip]

Also team has no bundle cplay even WITH AV Miraidon; if they catch you on the Dirge you're sacking sth

[opaque parrot]

Yeah ofc but with av miraidon you can come in on pumps and stuff

[steep tulip]

That's like saying that SpD Groudon takes on scarf ogre

You still gotta get the play right

[opaque parrot]

It's better than no counterplay lol

But yeah that's true

I would say make treads a BU tusk
Drop flutter for ting and whatever with miraidon spread and item

[austere trout]

whats wrong with valiant

[steep tulip]

it's very much a "papermon"

it's hard to switch into but it doesn't 2hko/ohko what it needs and is often too slow

[austere trout]

whats a good replacement for it

[austere trout]

also whats a bu tusk

[steep tulip]

bulk up tusk

defensive at that

https://pokepast.es/c3389f8dec3d245d

decided to add kingambit so we don't fold to chien-pao WHILE keeping a physically offensive mon

[austere trout]

cant chienpao just sacred sword

[steep tulip]

it's very rare

[austere trout]

ight

[somber bloom]

https://pokepast.es/4cbd0e588e9da066

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[steep tulip]

this channel doesn't usually do NatDex Ubers; one of Eledyr or Ropalme can help you but for future reference you want NatDex non-OU

[warped pier]

I think the team isn't good in his state; they are pokemon from different archetypes, overall the team structure isn't good. I'd suggest to choose between playing a bulky offense or a hyper offense, because both do not handle threats in the metagame in the same way

[golden sun]

Is there any Ubers coming from HOME that you think will be meta defining ?

[opaque parrot]

this isnt the channel for that tbh

but probably like

nearly all of them

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/d0a7046473698e38

[shut skiff]

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[empty bridge]

are we cooking or not cooking

[wooden cosmos]

Looks pretty weak to Mirai

Your only answer is revenge killing with Chien-Pao, which is not very reliable either with Tera around

[empty bridge]

Hmmm, true

Flutter can maybe do something too

But that's about it

Whats a good offensive mirai check i don't really know lmao

[wooden cosmos]

Iron Bundle, Scarf Korai

[empty bridge]

Hmmm

Bundle seems interesting but who would i replace

[cinder fox]

So couple things regarding this team, coming from an ubers main

[empty bridge]

Sorry im back

Wait that was 2 mins ago

My luck fr

[cinder fox]

Defensive tusk literally does not fit on screens. Period. Tera Blast on Espathra isn't bad, but it requires Espathra to Tera and that isn't ideal on a team like this. Maybe its preference, but you'd likely get better results with Tera Fairy and Dazzling Gleam.

So my suggestions are those Espathra changes

Plus

Switch out Tusk for Scarf Cyc prolly

[empty bridge]

Scarf cyc

Oh

Cyclizar

[cinder fox]

And

[empty bridge]

My brain...

Anyway fair

[cinder fox]

Roost over Protect on Esp

[empty bridge]

Roost is better?

I saw it as main on the smogdex set

But i can't tell why sob

[cinder fox]

Since you're getting a sub from cyc, you can afford to bank more into longevity imo

[empty bridge]

Oh

Right

Thanks, that's it?

[cinder fox]

Yep, looks decent otherwise

[empty bridge]

Oh cool

Ty then lmao

[cinder fox]

Yes indeed

[cinder fox]

I would indeed know

[empty bridge]

lmao

[proven bough]

https://pokepast.es/21438a69a4b81775

First Uber team

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[steep tulip]

Screens here feel really unnecessary since you only have one real setup sweeper in the ostrich; id get rid of both of them for safer options. You could probably run Stealth Rock Scream Tail + Kingambit and make Treads into an Assault Vest set

Also: please run the dex set for annihilape

Your attack investment isn't gonna pay off, believe me.

[proven bough]

Thats a good point

[proven bough]

Mb i just autofilled smogon’s prediction

[steep tulip]

if you click on import/export you can actually see what the strategy dex sets are

[proven bough]

https://pokepast.es/e1a011400582a29c

Fixed it

[opaque parrot]

Kingambit should be iron head over low kick
Also tera electric on mirai is just not needed imo

Tera fairy or smth would be better id say

[steep tulip]

do lefties ape

you can't reliably rest

so relying on it for recovery is not the best

also please go max HP treads

[bright wind]

tera fire for offense

[empty bridge]

Fire miraidon exists?

[steep tulip]

no

[opaque parrot]

n

tera fairy tera dragon tera water are imo the best teras for it

[bright wind]

alr

[austere trout]

how do i counter espathra

[steep tulip]

these type of questions go in #comp-general

[austere trout]

ight

[gritty merlin]

https://pokepast.es/4014d6d857212e95 what do you guys think of this team? I don’t have anything for screen setting or hazards yet, so suggestions would be appreciated

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[steep tulip]

for one, you should use the dex sets. stuff like Dark Pulse or Modest on Flutter Mane, Snow Iron Bundle, offensive Pelipper, Flash Cannon Miraidon etc is just bad w/ no excuses.

[gritty merlin]

ah, got it, thank you

pelipper is really just on there to counter koraidon, i've been meaning to switch it out anyways

[steep tulip]

second of all, this team lacks switch-ins to common threats like Koraidon, opposing Flutter Mane, Opposing Chien-Pao etc etc; getting rid of the pelipper for something like Skeledirge and then replacing the Flutter Mane with Corviknight could be fine

[gritty merlin]

i'll have to try that, thank you for the advice

[steady peak]

Still trying to figure out this whole gen 9 thing but how's this:
https://pokepast.es/60519421545c4ae2

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[steady peak]

tf

[fast iron]

I'm going to try my hand at this and see if I know what I'm talking about... someone more experienced do correct me if I'm wrong.

So, I see a few things right off the bat. You have Palafin with no rain setter and Mystical Fire on Flutter Mane with no sun setter. Scarf Miraidon and Flutter Mane are generally not great since they prefer other items- your Miraidon wants Boots and your Flutter Mane wants Life Orb or Specs.
Gholdengo doesn't seem to really do anything on this team so I'd replace it with a Pelipper- the physically bulky dex set should suffice to help beef your odds against Koraidon

[cinder fox]

A lot of things @fast iron said apply. However, given this should be a rain team, I think Scarf Flutter is fine here. What isn't fine is Mystical Fire, which is counterintuitive to this team because, like @fast iron said, Pelipper should be on this team as you're using Banded Palafin.

So my suggestions would be Pivot Miraidon, (this is boots, with E Drift, Draco, U-turn, and Tera Water Tera Blast, with max special attack and speed and Timid) Thunderbolt on Flutter over Mystical Fire, and physdef Pelipper over Gholdengo.

[steady peak]

Yeah like i said I'm still new to Gen 9 and SD as a whole, so this team could definitely use some polishing up here and there

Scarf Miraidon has actually been rly useful, and i never considered a rain team so maybe I'll replace gholdengho, I'm not getting much use out of mystical fire anw so no prob

Also since I'm going with rain, wouldn't thunder be better than thunderbolt? Given i already have a rain setter

Also tera water on Miraidon? I've been running fairy for opposing Miraidon and it seems to be working

Overheat is mainly for treads but that's fine since tera blast would deal with it just fine with rain ig

[cinder fox]

On this Miraidon, Draco and Drift get the job done so you can commit Tera to something else

[cinder fox]

This is a tier where Koraidon is a top 2 Pokemon, so you don’t wanna use a usually 50% accuracy move

Especially since you’re not sacrificing too much power with Thunderbolt; you still pick up the KOs you need to with Tbolt

[steady peak]

I meant thunder on flutter mane but aight

[cinder fox]

Yeah same deal

If Peli is to faint before an enemy Koraidon does you're left with a coin flip, and sometimes you need that coin flip to land on heads several times

That isn't worth it

And again, Tbolt gets the job done as is

[steady peak]

Ill give it a shot

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/122cde8f07f98862

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[opaque parrot]

oras

[versed lava]

It's really weak to darkrai

Also rock slide is a bit gimmick

I'd consider toxic over rock slide

You can try to change xern set for a sleep talk set to help vs darkrai

[opaque parrot]

I was thinking of rock slide to not allow entry to hooh

Since it's a bit weak to it

[versed lava]

Understandable

Maybe a different groudon set is possible

[opaque parrot]

Hm

Maybe

Just regular double dance ?

Not mixed

[versed lava]

Yep

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/c0427c06304c57cd

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[steep tulip]

go to nat dex other tiers

we don't rate ND Ubers

[potent hound]

sigh

K

[warped pier]

Scarf ogre is horrible

It's free switch in to pdon, no reason to play it tbf

[steep tulip]

aren't you away from home eledyr... go enjoy yourself

bozo

[warped pier]

I am but I was just checking disc for few mins!

[gentle pollen]

https://pokepast.es/1cee54a43dbc09b9 any suggestions for improvement while keeping the same Pokémon

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[opaque parrot]

This channel isn't for ND Ubers rates

But the team isn't good anw tbh aggron and saws aren't good at all

[lost sable]

https://pokepast.es/7a63e0f5808bb70a bw

._. chatot

uhh who even rates bw

@steep tulip ?

[steep tulip]

Lando isn't really a good mon outside of super specific structures, I'd just replace it with a gira-o and make gjostceus into fightceus

Ferro can be an issue if u
Rely on fire blast + uturn

[lost sable]

what would you say i do about ferro then

[steep tulip]

As I said, fightceus! Solves the issue completely. Gira-O can also invite it in ans either dtail or sub on non-gyro turns and then hammer away or even burn it

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/baaf1dfe3b875550

[shut skiff]

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[opaque parrot]

orasss

[steep tulip]

Rough vs some Mega Gengar stuff, I'd suggest SD Groundceus. You also gotta play this super careful vs tspikes HO that carry Lum Tenta or Scarf Xern because you have no removal

[opaque parrot]

ye i wasnt sure on what last

how do i fix the mgar mu

[opaque parrot]

i kinda cant fit removal here i think

or at least im not sure how

[steep tulip]

it's hard to fit removal on such a team

I think you run more def on xern (basically max almost max out) and I think you're missing 4 EVs on speed?

could be me misremembering headcalcs lol.

a funny way to deal with the t-spikes weakness is to actually run sub NP Darkrai; the play vs t-spikes leads is subbing as they go scarf xern so you can sleep them w/o worry

and groundceus doesn't get trapped by gar (outside of dbond stuff)

[opaque parrot]

still LO on darkrai?

or like lefties

[steep tulip]

lefties

I think the dex has a set? if not it's just max spa max speed

[lost sable]

oh ye ferros weak to fighting 😅

[spiral grail]

https://pokepast.es/342887c092405e1f

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[spiral grail]

Any improvements?

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/ac883806eab0746a

there was an attempt

[opaque parrot]

1. this isnt the channel for nd ubers
2. i alr told u that victini and mew are bad lol

[fervent hare]

I'm no BW Expert, but this looks a bit funky structurally.

Also you don't have Spinblocker which iirc is basically required in BWUbers.

Part of me also wants to think this is ooga smashed by opposing Sand Rush Drill, but that depends on if you can outplay with Fightceus consistently between all the other stuff you rely on it dealing with.

I'll let someone more experienced handle it from there, but that's my immediate thoughts.

[lost sable]

https://pokepast.es/52e1e2496af70336

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[warped pier]

I like that team!

It can maybe struggle a bit VS ogre

But it looks overall very solid

Good job chef 🫡

[lost sable]

🫡

[lost sable]

does ferro even work as an ogre check? it always is a 3hko away from dying without recovery (ignoring lefties)

[opaque parrot]

you could make ferro mixdef

but i dont have a spread

[lost sable]

248/100 iirc

I'll chexk older teams when im home

[lost sable]

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD

252 SpA Kyogre Scald vs. 252 HP / 92 SpD Ferrothorn in Rain: 89-105 (25.2 - 29.8%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/1041b58f5394a59d

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[opaque parrot]

tried

kinda lame but i dont know how to build gsc much

[graceful cloak]

hello

[empty bridge]

what the fuck is the relevance of this calc in specific

i'm seriously curious

[fast iron]

I believe it’s proof that Ferrothorn works as a Kyogre check

[lost sable]

the point is that you are mostly physdef while still kinda tanking ogre

[exotic rover]

https://pokepast.es/e418196c463e708f

[shut skiff]

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[steep tulip]

not the place for nat dex ubers

also this team is ass

[exotic rover]

oh where do i post it

[steep tulip]

ask in Nat Dex Other Tiers

[exotic rover]

mb i just saw ubers

[steep tulip]

lower tiers? idr what we called it

or that yes

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/8e90a9a937a16469

spdef pex
spdef pex

(it allows me to eat flutter and bundle with tera which i need)

[cinder fox]

i believe you forget that black sludge sucks in a tera meta

but also i dont really like this

[opaque parrot]

O right

[cinder fox]

it might be because i personally really dislike pex in sv

but also

this team looks like it's asking to get fucked by sd pao

[opaque parrot]

i kinda dont know how to fit

a bundle switchin+flutter switchin

here

[cinder fox]

also if you're fighting specs bundle

you're still fucked

252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 186-222 (61.1 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

boots bundle has to work a bit more

but it still beats spdef pex
even with just rocks

252 SpA Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 126-150 (41.4 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

a thing i don't really understand is hatterene

you have tusk to spin

and korai to taunt and stop hazards in the first place

[opaque parrot]

hm

[cinder fox]

i am definitely not displaying gambit bias when i say i believe standard sd gambit works over hatt

[opaque parrot]

i kinda wanted to use hatt but tbh it doesnt really fit

but yeah

[cinder fox]

gambit gives you a basically perfect bundle switch in sun

[opaque parrot]

ye fair enough

ill do that

[cinder fox]

while being a ferocious endgame sweeper
and an emergency flutter check

[cinder fox]

and make sure to change black sludge to lefties as well

oh yeah

now that gambit is added and you have a bundle switch

you can afford to go physdef pex

Here's what I recommend:
https://pokepast.es/afd68662a80d4ae4

If you want you can go chilling water on pex instead

oh wait I forgot you need play rough on defensive tusk, otherwise its not able to stop the increasingly popular taunt korai

as for which move to replace, idt you need bu on tusk

so standard defensive works

[versed lava]

you need chilling water on toxa

otherwise taunt palafin just 6-0

the team is lacking speed alot

nothing to outspeed 405 base

[frosty vine]

Rates for this metagame will be on halt as the metagame adapts to the new Home additions. It will be reopened when comp staff and specific raters feel its appropriate to so stay tuned!

[frosty vine]

Opened for business again!

[lost sable]

https://pokepast.es/3f9c772ea94f2945 im not sure if this really counts as an rmt; basically ive been beaten by this 6 a couple times, this is my best rrecreeation attempt. if anyone has a copy could you pass me?

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[lime prairie]

I don’t have the exact paste but I have something that’s close enough, afaik it was a team pohjis originally used in some tours

Not home rn but tag me in like 5 hours in #comp-general if I forget to send it

[steep tulip]

@lime prairie

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/6de945a902a3619f
got to #20 on ladder with this team i made

[shut skiff]

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[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/9a0b907e8dd312e8
(alternate version)

[crude turtle]

Seems fine tho I personally don’t like eseed outside of HO

Since mirai might have to come in multiple times on nonHO structures

Not a huge fan of the mu into dirge fat since neither zacian nor korai can break this mon, but w good cm groundy positioning you can make it work

I like the cm groundy version more anyways

Imo go lefties on mirai + try going either Tera blast ground on zacian or outrage on korai here but it’s not a huge deal and you can position yourself to win regardless

Def a solid team tho, I hope you peak ladder w this 🙂 @frigid palm

[frigid palm]

eseed helps with ekiller and arc ground, especially if i can position it to sweep in mid or late game

[frigid palm]

ehh i dont really like tera blast personally, kinda makes me feel like i have to prioritise using tera on zac or else ill essentially be running a 3 move zac (2 if you remove sd)

[frigid palm]

thanks :D

[crude turtle]

This is fair yea if you can position yourself fine w/o no worries

Just something you can try if u haven’t

Btw just a heads up but most groundceus now are special

So eseed doesn’t help a ton w that + in the wwind ting lu youd much rather have lefties

But ig you gotta build around what ladder has

[silver dragon]

Is mewtwo viable on sv ubers or nah just asking bc ive wznted to try build a team with ir

[cinder fox]

would probably go to #comp-general for that

but also yeah m2 is pretty good

a- on official vr

[silver dragon]

Oo dindt knew has vr alreay but ty

[warped pier]

M2 is pretty good atm

good speed tier, excellent stallbreaker with recover + taunt + pressure

[crude turtle]

Also imo the single best set rn is specs due to the lack of yveltal, ban to caly, and general lack of psychic resists

The mon hits nearly the entire meta for strong ass neutral coverage

But both are rly good sets

[frigid palm]

lu

ting lu is the biggest reason not to use specs

[crude turtle]

Nah

Grass knot / ice beam do a ton

[frigid palm]

true but it has to predict a lot

especially considering some lu run protect

[crude turtle]

Yea but anyways it’s a mon w no recovery so generally it’s only a temporary check

[frigid palm]

i mean

its the de facto special wall rn so ig you could pressure it

[crude turtle]

Yea these teams w mewtwo will stack spikes / abuse miraidon anyways so ting Lu will be broken through fast

[frigid palm]

yeah fair

man miraidon is soooo stupid but its still so fucking fun to use lmao

[crude turtle]

Yea lmfao

[silver dragon]

so usually what id try pair with it?

[crude turtle]

miraidon is one to overwhelm shared checks, koraidon can force out ting lu + uturn pivot in mewtwo while also pressuring darks + steels

you need checks to the dons + zacian when u run it

so something like dirge / ting lu or clod works

spikes support is nice for making those psystrikes sting

[silver dragon]

oo

[frigid palm]

im not 100% sure but i think one of the first people to use special arc

[silver dragon]

Sv ubers should i change something here https://pokepast.es/af09cec890d6a680

[frigid palm]

LO m2 better in all honesty

run modest

and recover/NP, ur choice

[silver dragon]

doesnt lo wear me down easily

[frigid palm]

run double dance or specs mirai, tera fairy

[silver dragon]

bc i dont have hazard removal

[frigid palm]

hence the recover

[frigid palm]

tbf do you REALLY need both dirge and tail

dirge handles both korai and zac really well

[silver dragon]

thought wish support would be gud

[frigid palm]

it would drain momentum a lot

esp cuz tail doesnt have a pivot move

[crude turtle]

nah disagree

lo is fine but specs is great rn and better

the speed tier is important as well, do not run modest

[frigid palm]

i mean you cant really hurt stall with specs

[frigid palm]

they dont need max spe timid to outspeed anything other than etern, and m2 doesnt need to outspeed to beat it
and its losing to arc forms anyway so might as well run modest

[crude turtle]

@silver dragon keep the m2 as is, this team is solid, the only changes i'd make are taking heavy slam off of scarf korai (flare blitz is far far more useful + splashable), and getting rid of scream tail entirely

this tier has arceus

if you really want a defensive fairy use fairyceus

[silver dragon]

oo

[crude turtle]

its actually good

[frigid palm]

oh damn didnt realise its heavy slam

yeah do not run that

[crude turtle]

it can run rocks if u want too

[frigid palm]

yeah and mono fairy isnt too bad of a set

wisp recover earth power whatever you want really

[crude turtle]

its not losing to any of the arc forms

[frigid palm]

ekiller?

[silver dragon]

skeledirge does fine

vs ekiller

i think

[frigid palm]

i mean m2 specifically

[crude turtle]

also run taunt over overheat on mirai here, helps w stall mu

[frigid palm]

yeah true

though double dance + specs m2 is terrifying

[crude turtle]

Well yea I mean sure but obviously that’s not a concern w dirge

[frigid palm]

groundceus too no?

[crude turtle]

And that runs no speed

You use this for cm arcs

Let me send a revised paste @silver dragon

[silver dragon]

kk

[crude turtle]

Cm groundceus loses

Okay I don’t obviously mean every single arc set

But most cm arcs

pokepast.es/0d04e7ee7e8c9a8e

Wack the link didn’t send

https://pokepast.es/0d04e7ee7e8c9a8e

Mess w teras and imo go Tera fly on dirge

Also you can go wisp over taunt on fairyceus

[silver dragon]

oo alr

[crude turtle]

Both of those are personal preference things

LO m2 is def a good mon but idt it fits on this build

Or is less splashable

[silver dragon]

my main concern is getting wear down easily

[crude turtle]

Thanks to less longevity bc of LO recoil

Yea for sure

I think you can mess w some things

Like clod over ting Lu to absorb tspikes

Imo you don’t need rocks as much in this meta as you do spikes

So u can go mono spikes clod and keep the rest as is

M2 only needs to come in a few times anyways + korai resists rocks + mirai has boots so the rest of ur team has enough longevity

So yea ig going clod over ting Lu would be nice for this

[silver dragon]

yea true

[frigid palm]

tera dragon tho?

[crude turtle]

on mirai?

its pretty standard

you can do whatever with that tera

i just left them as standard teras

[frigid palm]

hmm

idk fairy seems better to me

[crude turtle]

i mean sure thats not bad either defensively

boosted dracos + losing ground weakness is always nice as well too

its tera type

its usually personal preference on some mons

you also have a fairyceus + dirge + clod, shouldn't need tera fairy for anything

[fervent hare]

https://pokepast.es/099e14021d484dcc

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[versed lava]

This looks fun

[fervent hare]

It's been a blast from my ladder testing for sure. There's just a couple things I wanna get squared away.

[lime prairie]

Ye this seems p solid, I’d say go ruin > throat chop on ting tho

Forces more recovers from arc

Which is big if they’re taunt to block twave

Just lets caly or mirai in easier vs that

[fervent hare]

alright then, ty.

[lime prairie]

Not much aside from that, you could maybe try tera water don tho since kyogre looks hard to answer reliably here and you have a caly which really wants it gone

Also helps vs behemoth blade getting out of hand

[fervent hare]

Kyogre was somewhat of a problem on ladder yeah, Water Don's a compromise I could do.

I mostly did Fire to avoid Random Burns from Gira if the situation called for it since I didn't see a lot else I could do with Don's Tera.

[lime prairie]

Ye it’s fair

Water is used more rn mainly for zacian but here I think you appreciate another potential water resist

Since yours can’t switch into ogre rn

But don in sun after tera can a few times

[fervent hare]

My main issue is I'm a bit lost on my Groudon Spread now, since I originally had it EV'd for +3 Zac-C close combat, but that's a lot more relevant in NDUbers than here afaik.

[versed lava]

I feel like spread is ok

Basically you need to outspeed zac after twave

This is an example of team where you need the momentum

[fervent hare]

Groudon only needs like 8 Speed to do so, but I figured the extra 4 Wouldn't hurt for the off chance I run into an opposing Jolly Band Rex.

https://pokepast.es/e06d664fae070dc8
Slightly optimized spreads for Don and Gira a bit.
Not sure what the Def does for Gira-O, I got it off the analysis so an explanation on that would be nice, and Don lives a Specs Modest Ogre Spout from full with Sun up after Tera, and a +2 LO Tera Normal Arceus Normal Extreme Speed.

Debating making Gira-O Physical Dtail for a better Ekiller MU but chances are that's overkill.

[jagged heath]

https://pokepast.es/0165cda02aaa326f

Rate my team

[cinder fox]

In my opinion, you could afford to drop Will-O-Wisp on Gira for Twave, and Twave on Fairyceus for Taunt

Other than that, Caly-I really wants to be able to switch moves, so you could try Life Orb or Expert Belt over Band on the thing

other than that, this looks p solid, well done!

[fervent hare]

Does Caly-I miss any specific ranges without Band?

Just out of curiosity, I haven't checked myself.

[cinder fox]

Wait actually go Trick > Seed Bomb 100%

Kyogre hates switching into Caly as is, so you don’t really need to hit it super effectively

[fervent hare]

Main concern was Waterceus with IceRex is my main progress maker, but after recent calcs I think CC just 2HKOs it after rocks anyway

[cinder fox]

Indeed
252+ Atk Choice Band Calyrex-Ice Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Arceus-Water: 192-227 (43.2 - 51.1%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

[fervent hare]

I'm Jolly to outspeed Zacian after Para, but it's still a good shot to with like minimal prior chip.

[cinder fox]

252+ Atk Choice Band Calyrex-Ice Stomping Tantrum vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 286-338 (88 - 104%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Ye so only modifcations I’d make is Twave > Will-O-Wisp on Gira, Taunt > Twave on Fairyceus, and Trick > Seed Bomb on Caly

[fervent hare]

Oh I meant a Good shot on Waterceus, the base roll is 30%, but with having Spikes and all, and Twave forcing lots of recovery in weird spots + Taunt Fairyarc that roll is significantly better than it looks on paper.

[fervent hare]

https://pokepast.es/4f955a288de9a002
Done

[cinder fox]

this looks p solid, well done!

[fervent hare]

Ty! I really love Calyrex Ice for a lot of reasons, and it's so refreshing to see it finally not having to live Shadow Rider's...uh...
Shadow.

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/396a35797be99f7b
posted this team here a while ago but im tilting with it a bit, is it the team or just skill issue

[versed lava]

The team lacks reliable long term damages

[frigid palm]

what would you recommend

[crude turtle]

i still dont think this mirai set is the move

taunt boots mirai or specs mirai both just seem better

this set is purely found on HO for the most part

[frigid palm]

specs mirai it is

what else?

[crude turtle]

feel like thats the main issue

well

im not a fan of the zacian set either

feel like behemoth is pretty important for this team

or you can't threaten out taunt variants fairyceus at all either

[frigid palm]

should i swap cc then

for bblade

[crude turtle]

yea i'd say so

[frigid palm]

anything else?

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[crude turtle]

Should be fine

[frigid palm]

alr

[potent hound]

gonna participate in a ubers tournament but im not that good at it
but i tried making a team
https://pokepast.es/b03a270ebe097122

[fast iron]

Eject Button Toxapex really rubs me the wrong way since the passive recovery from leftovers is so significant and with how offensive the meta is there's a very good chance you burn it to a U-Turn

Or even worse- give something it's supposed to check a free turn

[frigid palm]

I wonder which tourney

[frigid palm]

Also i like sneak on gira to pick up rks on weakened sweepers

[potent hound]

i wonder

[frigid palm]

Why water tera on zac?

[potent hound]

scarf koraidon's flare blitz
but i added toxapex so it doesnt really need tera water anymore

[frigid palm]

I like tera fire to be burn immune personally

Or tera dark crunch for dirge

[crude turtle]

Sneak is kinda mid tbh that mon is slot strapped

Also yea go fire over water if it’s just for koraidon

Water is better on like rain or smth

[still hare]

Mystical fire has been swapped for thunder

[cinder fox]

this team really isn’t it man, for a number of reasons

1. Palafin, Regieleki, and Garganacl are completely unviable in this tier.

2. Flutter Mane not supported by Groudon or Koraidon is ass. Its base speed and power isn’t as impressive post-HOME, and it needs sun support for it to keep up.

3. Kyogre’s set and item isn’t good. It looks like it’s trying to be a Choiced attacker, but also a bulky attacker at the same time. You have to pick one, can’t have both

[empty bridge]

Me when the first thing i notice is zacian having both sacred and cc and then proceed to notice the rest

Best player (not)

[cinder fox]

4. Kyogre and Zacian’s spreads are ass. There’s a nonsensical amount of EVs in areas where you don’t need them, and a nonsensical lack of EVs in areas where you do need them.

[empty bridge]

Also this kinda looks like

Somewhat of a rain team

Like if you disregard the unoptimizations

That SEEMS to be the intended base

But idrk

Kyogre in first, thunder on eleki, palafin etc

I'm presuming that's what he wanted to do

[cinder fox]

I would highly recommend checking the Viability Rankings and/or checking out a team from this thread
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar-post-home.3723557/

[empty bridge]

Also harden on garganacl over Iron defense is extremely funny (the entire mon is unviable in any way but this had me laughing)

[cinder fox]

This team is far from the standard and can’t be rated in this state

[empty bridge]

Yeah

Might need to entirely rebuild or go for a sample

It doesn't really look like something that raters immediately redirect to samples (e.g. 6 PU mons) but 95% of it has to be rebuilt

[still hare]

I forgot iron

Defense

Existed

[chilly matrix]

https://pokepast.es/c7f042988d375503

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[chilly matrix]

Hows this balance team

[crude turtle]

couple issues w the team

so for one just on the surface level

the team is structurally okay for the most part

but that miraidon set is kind of outdated

it was meant to be paired with pelipper in pre-home with tera blast water, in current meta it would probably run that set with kyogre support, or taunt over tera blast if you don't have rain on the team

i would make it tera fairy or dragon if you go taunt

since you have an offensive groudon, the team is a bit tera reliant to take on smth like zacian, i'm not a fan of bundle on this build

i think you'd rather have something defensive over bundle like skeledirge / lando-t / toxapex here, but if you've had success w bundle its not the worst thing

just know that the team is a bit tera reliant for zacian

[chilly matrix]

https://pokepast.es/87a4b2a2e3274577

So this

[crude turtle]

seems about right

youd prob want tera water over fairy here

on dirge*

[chilly matrix]

Any other changes

[crude turtle]

nah thats fine for now

play around w it

make any changes to ur playstyle

[chilly matrix]

Thanks mate 🙂

[olive tartan]

oh

thank you

https://pokepast.es/55f622e38cb69829

deleted my original message because images

[frigid palm]

half of these mons arent really viable in ubers at all, i would suggest looking at the VR to swap them out

[olive tartan]

which are?

[frigid palm]

volcarona zapdos amoonguss

the arceus and groudon sets arent good either, offensive groudon can work well but defensive groudon's the way to go most of the time

if you want an offensive ground i would recommend arceus ground

well its literally the only other option lol

Arceus-Ground @ Earth Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Dragon Dance
• Shadow Claw
• Taunt

standard set^

[olive tartan]

mmm ok

what would i replace arceus-fairy with?

[frigid palm]

probably something like giratina for defog

[olive tartan]

ok

no spike/rock setters?

[frigid palm]

Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Core
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 88 Def / 116 SpA / 40 SpD / 16 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Hex
• Will-O-Wisp
• Defog

[frigid palm]

defensive groudon sets rocks

[olive tartan]

ok

[frigid palm]

as for the rest, i think you probably want mirai/korai, a special wall and/or some utility

the best special wall is ting lu (imo) but it would overlap with groudon

[olive tartan]

ok

thank you

[crude turtle]

just a heads up, offensive groudon is not bad at all either, the main issue is that this one has no SD or BU + has life orb with no boosting move

but i agree w the majority of this

volcarona amoonguss zapdos generally suck

[crude turtle]

what were u going for with the initial team? that'd help us also give suggestions

[olive tartan]

i wanted to make a team around groudon

coz groudon is cool

[crude turtle]

okay then we can ignore the groundceus suggestion for now

offensive groudon is definitely good, but not that set

[olive tartan]

ok

[crude turtle]

Ability: Drought
EVs: 200 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Spe
Tera Type: Ground
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Spikes
- Precipice Blades
- Crunch``` this is the standard groudon set

i've experimented with LO groudon before but i think that fits better on screens, so we can just work with this

stone edge isnt the most required in this meta bc there are no real flying types besides corviknight

[olive tartan]

oh

[crude turtle]

so yea i would start with this groudon

i think groudon + zacian have pretty good synergy if you run something like wild charge over CC for corviknight

i dont think tera fight is the best tera in the current meta anyways bc that set is completely walled by toxapex

and skeledirge

[crude turtle]

https://pokepast.es/e51cb5fd1d4d0983 so we can work off of ur idea of zacian + groudon

what was ur reasoning for zapdos / volc / amoonguss here

[olive tartan]

i added zapdos cuz i like zapdos and volc because it was pretty good in gen 8 so i figured it would be pretty good now
amoonguss for toxic/sleep

sorry for late response i was doing something

[crude turtle]

nw

okay to start off

volc + zapdos were not good in gen 8 ubers

tox is a good trait but toxapex / etern are better users in this tier by far

and amoonguss doesnt have the best defensive traits for this tier anyways

still, a check to grounds is appreciated on this team

primarily like lando-t and groundceus

[crude turtle]

a core like this can kinda work, https://pokepast.es/6419e3c0146f02b1

especially if you pair with speed control

[olive tartan]

ok

[olive tartan]

thank you

[frigid palm]

oh yeah i know offensive groudon is nice, i even mentioned it above that message
my suggestion was to change groudon to defensive moreso cuz they basically had no defense

[frigid palm]

doesnt scarf korai run cc

[crude turtle]

not anymore, usually collision or low kick for the most

anyways fight move is preference

[frigid palm]

i still use cc should i change it

[crude turtle]

if u like it keep it

it dont really matter

[frigid palm]

cc is consistent so yeah

[deep scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/aca8aa7f32f21ea0 can any improvements be made (this is for nat dex ubers)

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[obtuse terrace]

https://pokepast.es/5aee9e393fbd8424

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[obtuse terrace]

Doubles Uber

[crude turtle]

Do these count under Ubers?

[warped pier]

Idts

It'd be more appropriate to post it under DOU rates

[obtuse terrace]

Bet

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/7c2845a56e8cdeda

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[crude turtle]

My only real issue I think is that this team seems better with a fairyceus or steelceus over waterceus

Since you have no dragon switch

Otherwise this is fine

[frigid palm]

wouldnt that make the kyogre MU worse tho

especially stuff like scarf or bulky cm

[crude turtle]

Bulky cm shouldn’t be an issue with miraidon Koraidon and gira-o

[frigid palm]

scarf or specs tho

[crude turtle]

Go Tera water on ting Lu if you really want to fix that

[frigid palm]

hmm works

what steel/fairy arc set btw

[crude turtle]

I think fairy is better but you can prob just take your set right now and make it the same but fairy

[frigid palm]

would the SR set be better tho?

just asking cuz gira o isnt really a physical wall per se

Arceus-Fairy @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 164 Def / 96 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Judgment
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind
• Recover

Arceus-Fairy @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 124 Def / 136 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Stealth Rock
• Judgment
• Taunt
• Recover

so this or this?

kinda leaning towards the second set cuz taunt is pretty nice to have

or taunt cm judgement ep idk

Arceus-Fairy @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 120 Def / 16 SpA / 124 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Judgment
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind
• Recover

okay settled on this i think

[crude turtle]

Def not no recover

You could do mono judgment cm taunt recover if u want but ye it’s personal preference

[frigid palm]

using this

[minor oyster]

Alright, one day I woke up and said "I wanna use bundle" and a guy in the Ubers room told me the team I made was decent and that it could maybe be a sample, but Ive been having troubles.
Ive made 3 teams to use iron bundle in, 2 of them being rain and third being in electric terrain spam.
Which one is better, and what should I do with the better one?

Rain:
Standart (https://pokepast.es/48143c5501881fa6)
Arceus Fairy (https://pokepast.es/4f333972298f0c3c)

Electric terrain:
Zoom: https://pokepast.es/8a67679e4f06ddbb

The main core rn has been Bundle, Miraidon and Treads (Miraidon gets e terrain up to have a powerful AND fast wallbreaker with a good ice type like bundle and gives spdef to treads, my miraidon/scarf miraidon counter, which rn mi very weak to)

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[minor oyster]

Felt like Rain was a natural progression since you can use treads to metigate the fire wweakness and make hydro pumps from bundle even stronger

But terrain spam also fits since everyone likes that boost (idk how to build spam teams, just sorta did what felt good)

[crude turtle]

i think the electric terrain is pretty hard to make viable just because valiant / moth / leaves are all incredibly bad right now

bundle is fine as is treads but still mediocre

i will say i think the fairyceus rain team looks fine

maybe try out wisp or cm over twave bc the team is already quite fast but otherwise it seems okay

[steady peak]

I'm pretty new to Ubers but roast me if possible I've already gotten a 4-0 and am not getting much use out of Iron Head from Miraidon, any suggestions?
https://pokepast.es/d9341b37d4238b4e

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[fast iron]

Torkoal does not belong in Ubers because Koraidon and Groudon are always more than enough to set sun. Replace it with a check to Kyogre to more easily remove it and stop it from stealing your sun. Scarf Miraidon fills this role since it can scare it out and enable you to pivot back into your sun setters.

Koraidon would greatly prefer a choice scarf set with Jolly and U-Turn to be able to deal pivot and chip early on, pick up important KOs in the midgame, and clean up later. Koraidon always either runs a bulky set with Adamant or a 252/4/252 set with Jolly because that 135 speed tier makes 252 Speed and Adamant not outspeed or tie anything important. A scarf is preferred over this bulky set because Koraidon is an extremely important sun setter and it can't risk staying in longer than necessary by setting up.

Walking Wake prefers having specs to enable it to function as a wallbreaker. It does not function well as a sweeper as that role is performed better by other Pokemon.

I know for a fact that the rest of the mons need tweaks but I can't quite put my finger on what needs to be done... my thoughts are that Flutter Mane needs its tera type changed since a sun boosted Mystical Fire hits everything hard enough and tera to boost it is not helpful, and that Groudon needs its set changed to a physically defensive one so that Great Tusk becomes completely redundant and can be changed to some variety of Arceus.

[crude turtle]

hey! first off, wanna say that this team is really cool and the idea around it is unique

Like prikki mentioned above, torkoal is pretty bad in ubers, so I wouldnt use it here. Generally, keeping sun up isn't worthwhile anyways, and wake has issues in this metagame. However, I do think that the core of Flutter + Korai + Groudon that you have can be focused on.

If you're going with Lum Berry, I highly suggest a more standard set like ```Koraidon @ Lum Berry
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Dragon / Fire
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Flame Charge
• Dragon Claw
• Collision Course```.

Great Tusk and Wake are just generally outclassed in this metagame, and I'd try to fit something that would help out your tspike + mirai matchup in these slots.

This can be something like Ting-Lu + Eternatus / defog Gira, Eject Pex + something

etc

Arceus formes are also amazing, and I'd highly recommend using one such as waterceus here.

i also agree with prikki that on sun builds, generally Scarf Koraidon is more useful

https://pokepast.es/c670018076521666

this would be my take

[steady peak]

I'll try and adapt these to what I currently have, agility wake has oddly enough been doing pretty well for me

Tera fire flutter mane was mainly for steel types, though I haven't run into any yet so yeah I'll def change that

And Lum Berry on koraidon has gotten... exactly one use

Just to be sure, bulky water Arceus right?

[crude turtle]

tera fire is good

keep it

[crude turtle]

try this team out and see how it goes

@steady peak

[steady peak]

In a min

This guy clapped me first match, I bailed and he sent a rematch, this is what happened
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ubers-1914542755

Ik torkoal is a bit out there but I promise it helps lol

[steady peak]

I'll try this one now

[steady peak]

Took over 100 turns to get through just one fight lol

[lost sable]

https://pokepast.es/65cbe708fa208b9f is there a better glue than mirai lol

[lime prairie]

Nah mirai seems fine tbh, team looks p solid. I think you can go specs flutter and try tera dragon mirai tho

Lo flutter on no hazard removal is playing a game at like half health naturally

And dragon mirai is just good for hitting stuff like cm groundceus harder when needed as well as ting lu

Since you do kinda struggle vs groundceus without momentum always being in your favour

[lost sable]

specs feels awful into tinglu/pex structures

unless thats just a ladder thing

[lost sable]

ic cool

dclaw is fine right i dont need outrage to force tera fairy?

[lime prairie]

Should be fine you have other base 120 moves

[lime prairie]

It’s normal but also fairy tera flutter is a roll to 2hko pex w just rocks lol

And you have spikes too

Either 1 sball call or just hazards and tera can chip it enough

[lost sable]

o right tera fmane

[lime prairie]

And ting tera’ing beats it always regardless while freeing up mirai

[lost sable]

forgot kek

does mirai actually work as a cleaner on these tyypes of builds?

i p much get it in early to uturn on ting lu for free momentun

[lime prairie]

It’s usually not a cleaner bc zacian koraidon exist

[lost sable]

and its just a sack after

[lime prairie]

But it’s a pivot breaker more

[lost sable]

and bundle is a pain

[lime prairie]

Bundle is fake

[lost sable]

so there are times i can click draco/drift?

[lime prairie]

Ye

Draco as much as you want it’s broken

Taking 35 off ting then uturn or taunt is a ton of progress

[lost sable]

oh

[lime prairie]

Especially if they don’t have other sball answers

From flutter

[lost sable]

oo never noted that

ty!

[lime prairie]

np

I think cm groundceus is the main big issue, if it’s too bad you find then maybe fairy tera clod

A bit underused bc steel usually is a bit better imo but you’re still a draco answer and become neutral to judgment

[lost sable]

actually yea

speaking of which

does clod need tera steel for anyth

and do i have a fmane switchin

[lime prairie]

Opposing flutter you gotta predict or tera on, clod generally can beat anything but psyshock

And you got tera fire korai and fairyceus should live a few hits if needed to scout

Tera steel is just for like kyogre ice beam as well as dragon moves

And it keeps the fairy resistance

[lost sable]

ic

ill swap to fairy then

[steady peak]

I tried doing an espathra team

https://pokepast.es/2b68f2e52b41ec7d

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steady peak]

Dondozo is there solely for annihelape or however you spell it

Nvm I forgot monkey has vital spirit

Literally the sole reason I brought it, I was thinking unaware yawn + curse

[empty bridge]

Annihilape doesn't run vital spirit but ig i see

[steady peak]

The very first match I ran into one and it just so happened to have vital spirit

So I decided to replace body slam w crunch

Still won + made someone rage quit just now too

[crude turtle]

okay a few things

i see that you want to build a screens team around espathra

dozo sucks on ho

agility zacian is not that good either

this koraidon is kinda mediocre here too

ik you said you had dozo for ape but none of these mons really struggle w it anyways

espathra kinda sucks rn but since u wanna build around it lets work w it

https://pokepast.es/396d61f94f414eef

something like this is a bit safer and more standard

try this out @steady peak

[steady peak]

Arceus ground?

I have very little exp with Arceus in general

But yeah I'll give it a shot

I actually already got a few wins and have yet to use espartha

[empty bridge]

Out of curiosity, isn't EKiller better on setup?

Just curious I ain't know shit about Arceus sets lmao

[crude turtle]

Both are good

It’s personal preference, tho this team needs to be reworked to beat dirge for ekiller

Also helps w mirai my

[somber bloom]

https://pokepast.es/51111ef81a4541d1

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[steep tulip]

this just looks like the gen 8 TR team w/ a blue orb added lol

[somber bloom]

idk what to add

[steep tulip]

add this to ND other Tiers

[somber bloom]

wdym?

[crude turtle]

We only do regular Ubers

[somber bloom]

oh

[crude turtle]

Post this in the nd other tiers rmt section

[somber bloom]

my fault

[crude turtle]

They have it

[somber bloom]

i didnt know

[crude turtle]

Np

[somber bloom]

i thought it was for both

i wanna do these mons for a sv ubers though

[empty bridge]

ah ic lol

[crude turtle]

Seems p standard tr, I’ve seen Luna over hoopa but otherwise seems fine

[somber bloom]

luna?

[crude turtle]

Ursaluna

[somber bloom]

oh

ic

tyy

[dire flame]

who can help with the team?

[frigid palm]

idt ur in the right channel lol

[crude turtle]

What is this

[dire flame]

Draft

[crude turtle]

none of us can really help with it since they arent really viable mons in ubers + this isn't draft

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/42eab5a6108e9b3b

Screens HO pretty much

[shut skiff]

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[crude turtle]

Seems quite solid but 2 things

1. I’d find a way to fit a dirge lure bc you have three mons that may lose to it

Like Tera blast ground zacian, taunt korai, etc

[empty bridge]

Stomping tantrum korai and tb ground zac seems fun

[crude turtle]

Yea try that out

Also I’d rather not run two leads, try an offensive rocker/spiker like groudon / lando imo

But otherwise

Seems solid

Have at it

[empty bridge]

Gotcha, rhanks

Lemme check groudon and lando sets

[dusk valley]

https://pokepast.es/9c1643223379bc2e

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava, @crude turtle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

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[frigid palm]

you definitely dont need 2 specs a band and a scarf

idk if sun is great in this meta, but regardless scarf korai feels much better here

probably get rid of wake/chi yu if not both cuz flutter already does the breaking for you

the team kinda lacks pivoting so mayyybe eject button hatt

[thick tusk]

https://pokepast.es/c7d15eef16b988a8

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[tawdry estuary]

looks pretty good but you are weak to tspikes

[thick tusk]

Well, I have 3 immunities to them, Defog and a Tera Poison
Should I try changing Dirge for Pex or Ting-Lu for Clod or it isn't that bad?

[tawdry estuary]

nah no need for that

i think you can deal with them reasonably

with a team like yours that's just something you have to deal with

but like you said, you have outs to it

sorry for the late response @thick tusk

[thick tusk]

Np, thank you

[wheat shale]

https://pokepast.es/abaec31f714c1fdb @steep tulip look it's blue offense !

[steep tulip]

wouldn't go rock slide hera here; that's a bit too techy

you also gotta be super duper careful w/ sth like latios + m2 which is inherently how offense plays lol

1 layer + boom2 clears most of the team cause your speed control is hera

you could try out bulky endure heracross as a lead w/ back ogre

cause lead ogre cant afford to run subcm when it's also lowkey a ray check

[cinder fox]

https://pokepast.es/aca28ebfc3d4cb4f
bw ubers, have been told that i should make ekiller faster but idk how much faster i should make it, also iffy on shuca on dialga so am seeking advice

[lost sable]

https://pokepast.es/50a9c06f0152171e been trying to make band korai+zac work i just cant seem to

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[warped pier]

I think 1- consider Tera fire on koraidon, it'll vastly increases your ability to threaten Skeledirge by making you immune to WoW.
2- Magic Coat would help you on Arceus, especially as you have no way to deal with Eternatus's Toxic Spikes otherwise, which is extremely detrimental for hyper offensive builds
3- I kinda feel Groudon out of place. Such a defensive choice on an hyper offense builds just doesn't feel right. I'd rather play something like Choice Scarf Landorus-T if you're in need of a ground type

[crude turtle]

just a heads up

arceus doesnt have magic coat anymore

[warped pier]

ah.

well then

don't play arceus lead LOL

you really REALLY don't want to play with tspikes by your side

[lost sable]

1: kek, cb tera fight cc 2hkoing pex/fairyceus is the whole point of the team
2: .
3: ye fair, the don acts as an trade vs stuff like korai/zacian, getting off a wisp on a weaker physical mon gets u a bulk up in a meta with clod/mirai/dirge

if scarf lando>don do i replace mirai?

[lost sable]

o rip

[lime prairie]

Lead arc can work just very specifically

Generally not worth imo but if you bring it you do need to be p solid into other hazard leads

Like tspikes or just random stuff like samurott HO

[lost sable]

icic

[thick tusk]

https://pokepast.es/5e4edf0346103177 I made this Ekiller team that's working decently. But not having a Fairy nor a way to deal with opposing hazards will probably be troublesome, also idk if I need all the hazards. How can I improve the team?

Also could Scream Tail work in this type of team so I can Wish pass to Ekiller and not use it only as a late-game sweeper?

[hexed tundra]

https://pokepast.es/f1760088e8437a81. I'm fairly new to Pokemon showdown and i just made this team you can say that this is my first team so i was looking for way i can improve

[empty bridge]

This team isn't good as is, but it's way way better than what i've seen some people do for their first team

Since you're new to the game

It's prob worth introducing you to tean archetypes before anything

Ping when you're back and we can go to #comp-general and talk team types

(Also hoping an actual good ubers player joins because i'm like decent at most 💀)

[cinder fox]

You really want Zacian > Etern, Zacian gives you a Steel and a Fairy and an offensive mon that benefits greatly from Spikes

I’d also say Specs Mirai > Dirge, because you really want some special presence and Specs Mirai is one of the best beneficiaries of Spikes out there

Otherwise this looks good

Oh actually you want max Attack on Arceus, idk why you have 4 less EVs there

[crude turtle]

hey!

first thing i'd consider is looking at the VR

it gives you an idea on what the best mons ar

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings-post-home.3724082/

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar-post-home.3723557/

two good resources for you to get started with building a team

[thick tusk]

But that would be a completely different team with much more offense. Is that just better for an Ekiller team?

[cinder fox]

Ekiller is more of a late game cleaner than a sweeper in its own right. As such, it needs to be surrounded by offense to get to the cleaning point in the first place.

[thick tusk]

Oh okay, yeah makes sense

[crude turtle]

honestly i think the issue is less w the structure of the team yea

like

most teams just need a dragon resist / immune

or you lose to mirai

this team is fine as ekiller support but just lacks the counterplay for mirai needed

so i agree w oreo, the best way to solve this is adding a fairy over lando or dirge

since thye both check similar stuff

[hollow ore]

How’s this team I made looking?

https://pokepast.es/97b1e555465ba30e

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[hollow ore]

My first showdown team

[woeful geyser]

Is this just for singles ubers or can I post doubles ubers?

[frigid palm]

only singles

[thick tusk]

Would Scream Tail over Lando work so I can still have rocks?

[cinder fox]

scream tail isn’t good

[crude turtle]

i would not drop lando for scream tail

i think the best way is to just keep your team as is

and swap dirge for zacian if your really want rocks

or slot rocks on ting lu and drop lando for zacian

[thick tusk]

Okay thanks, I'll try this https://pokepast.es/a40cfd449429df36

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[thick tusk]

Oh shit didn't mean to ping

[shut skiff]

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[steep tulip]

Nat Dex Ubers goes in ND Other Tiers

[crimson panther]

Mb

[frigid palm]

need help with this ubers team
https://pokepast.es/f5e92147d4670a59

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[empty bridge]

ok

so uh

take everything i say with a grain of salt because i'm only medium-good at teambuilding here

but

i'd say eternatus is just better than pex

the spdef tspikes set

and i'm not really a fan of lando + tinglu together but that could be just me and probably is

but this is solid enough that i don't see any objective obvious flaws at first

but wait for someone that's actually really good at ubers to show up

@steep tulip @crude turtle (they're the ones online lol)

[steep tulip]

I'm gonna be honest chief, since we get autotagged the double tag isn't necessary

[frigid palm]

[thick tusk]

Not an expert here either but I'd swap Lando for Giratina-O or Toxapex for Eternatus.

Lando and Pex check similar stuff (basically Koraidon, Zacian and some physical Arceus) so you can get rid of one of them.

Giratina still has the Ground immunity that Lando gives you, can help spreading status and I think that it's slightly better at making progress than defensive Lando.

Eternatus has the Poison type and TSpikes from Pex while being a much less passive mon.

[frigid palm]

wouldnt the latter make me much more weak to zacian though?

i mean yeah lando can come in on it but its one sd and some chip away from dying to bblade

[empty bridge]

ah my bad

i'm blind

lol

[empty bridge]

what is pex doing vs zacian anyway

oh wait it's got haze + infest

as i said

i'm blind af

[frigid palm]

haze, infestation, chilling water to some extent ig

[thick tusk]

Eternatus can't switch into Zacian, but some variants win the 1vs1. It's not that bad

156 SpA Eternatus Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned in Sun: 326-384 (100.3 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Yeah this is with Sun but also no Life Orb, not max SpA and 0 chip on Zacian

+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eternatus: 285-336 (67.6 - 79.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Zacian can't 1HKO Eternatus even with 0 bulk

[lost sable]

Thats the whole problem, you cant have a team with no zacian SI

[thick tusk]

Then maybe keep Toxapex and do the other change instead

[frigid palm]

i mean if even etern cant switch into zac then nothing else on my team can lol

btw @thick tusk gira set?

[potent hound]

Is there anything I can change or improve on this team? https://pokepast.es/4277825a5e3147a9

[frigid palm]

tera normal is not good on either flutter or korai

i would recommend changing them to fairy and fire respectively

[potent hound]

thanks

[frigid palm]

flutter only has 3 moves, and thunder on a team with koraidon is just asking to get rng'd

[cinder fox]

this is good

idt i’d change anything here

[potent hound]

forgot to add the third move 💀

[cinder fox]

lando is prolly better than gira here since you want a rocker and cm taunt fairy is your sweeper

on meem’s team

[cinder fox]

Okay, so.

[frigid palm]

i mean cant i just swap lando for gira and run rocks on fairyceus

[cinder fox]

I have a LOT to say here