Ubers

[versed lava]

Scarf aroma xern

[opaque parrot]

hm

true

is focus blast a must on scarf xern

[junior pilot]

is tis the server for pokemon showdown?

[versed lava]

I don't think so

Moonblast/Thunder/Aroma/Filler

[opaque parrot]

mm

sleep talk?

more security into darkrai

[versed lava]

You already have ho oh

[opaque parrot]

oh yeah ig

forgot

[versed lava]

Does it have defog in oras ? Don't remember

[opaque parrot]

nope

ig i can do geomancy last

if i get knocked

im still clicking moonblast 90% of the times

[versed lava]

You can be tricky

And maybe put endeavor if it has it in oras

[opaque parrot]

it does

[versed lava]

That's a tricky stuff

But can work

The team has several problems

Dmeteor>Dpulse

Uturn>Volt switch

And overheat > Dazzling gleam

SD > Bulk Up

And the pao set has to be SD

So give up one of the priority

[serene mica]

https://pokepast.es/af10417eaace8896
first team for this format

[brave aspen]

https://pokepast.es/45c6d4de33b757f2 wanted to try Ubers so I'd like some advice for this team

[shut skiff]

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[steep tulip]

@warped pier

[steep tulip]

OK so I can see you're going with offense w/ the cyclizar + grimmsnarl play here but I don't think this type of team will help you learn the tier

if you're looking to just spam on the ladder and then eventually pivot into something different it's... fine? you could maybe do with a different pokemon over palafin which stops ting-lu on paper but... that's about it

actually I take it back palafin sucks on this type of team

cause you gotta bring it in and then out

you could do taunt flutter mane or even flame charge tera fire chi-yu

[restive garnet]

So, I am doing a league (probably in ubers) and I am wanting thoughts on a team I might use. The most relevant guidelines are that

1. Monotype with 1 off type
2. No duplicate items
3. Tera allowed

Thoughts on this team?
https://pokepast.es/60132a535abb687d

(I feel like there is a better item for Toedscruel. A few teras are unchanged because I could not think of something good off of the top of my head lol.)

[steep tulip]

if tera is allowed there's no reason not to go dragon methinks

[versed lava]

Why no Ubers pokemon ?

Oh lol that's monotype

Just play dragon

Koraidon/Miraidon/garchomp/cyclizard

Baxcalibur

And gg

[restive garnet]

the one reason I would not do dragon is because I don't want to lol. I kinda want to make ground work lol.

Also, there is an Ubers mon lol

[warped pier]

i'd rather have tera grass Ho-oh, otherwise tera electric xerneas is too difficult to handle
if you're running twave ndm, play 200 HP / 252 SpD / 56 Spe, so you outrun both Eternatus and koraidon once paralyzed
I don't think extreme killer fits your team very well, I'd run something like fairy cm ceus or something that abuse spikes like zygarde

[serene mica]

Arceus-Fairy @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Judgment
• Earth Power
• Recover
  is this set good

[warped pier]

yes!

[serene mica]

alr thx for help

[warped pier]

you're welcome

[halcyon leaf]

Can someone PLEASE help me creating a DPP Ubers team around my Swords Dance Garchomp? I have tried many times but every team I've created has gone to shit

[primal nest]

https://pokepast.es/1aa1339a0144e0a4
adv ubers
sorta worried about don

[primal nest]

sorta loses to uh subcm tios but ignore that

[primal nest]

possibly lugia over mence, boolmspam is a weakness of the team

i'm worried about deoa with lugia though

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/ffa9f37aa8ab872c

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opaque parrot]

sm

first sm attempt

[steep tulip]

don't run goth

[warped pier]

^

[steep tulip]

especially if you're newer

btw this team gets 6-0ed ON THE SPOT by geoxern

[lime prairie]

Does baby goth do anything notable

Leftovers is a good item

[steep tulip]

lets you beat

waterceus and friends

more easily

[lime prairie]

Big goth does that too

But anyway

[steep tulip]

yes but

[lime prairie]

No water resist

[steep tulip]

it takes more

[lime prairie]

Add pdon

[steep tulip]

from judge

[lime prairie]

Pogre 6-0’s with its eyes closed

[steep tulip]

nah, remake. Gothitelle is sth that has been brought once in the last 5 years

sorry, twice*

lost both times

[lime prairie]

L

Usable but very difficult

[opaque parrot]

hmm

how do i change that

doe

[steep tulip]

you make gothorita into a pdon

[opaque parrot]

lame tbh.. but ok

what set

[steep tulip]

SD/Precpice/tomb/overheat

or you make it rocks SpD and make Unec into like

the SD SpD set

(16 atk adamant 240 SpD rest in HP maybe outspeed 206)

with SS/SD/Moonlight or morning sun/EQ

[opaque parrot]

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane @ Solganium Z
Ability: Prism Armor
EVs: 184 HP / 16 Atk / 240 SpD / 68 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Morning Sun
• Sunsteel Strike
• Earthquake

and then make zy lefties?

i assume

and then
hear me out
latias>yveltal

defogger
pdon "check"

[steep tulip]

forgot you had a z move I cannot lie

set works with lefties but you just don't fuck over sth like mega mence

[steep tulip]

Latias sucks, lol

[opaque parrot]

i know but like

i kinda suffer into pdon

[steep tulip]

you might need sth over Yveltal tho I cannot lie

[opaque parrot]

so like

mlatias

fits both stuff

[steep tulip]

I am realizing your team's resists are just not there

I guess u can try it

GKnot/Recover/Roost/some STAB move ig

or t-wave

[opaque parrot]

or tox

[opaque parrot]

did u j say
recover roost

,

Latias (F) @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 4 SpD / 96 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Defog
• Grass Knot
• Draco Meteor
• Recover

[steep tulip]

recover defog*

[opaque parrot]

ya

https://pokepast.es/5078c7438cadcd60

zy should be lefties

[steep tulip]

uhhhhhh idk why we're gnot on xern that shit was never good

thunder>>>>

[opaque parrot]

oop

mb

fixed

[steep tulip]

just so u know CM groundy is a bitch for this team

[opaque parrot]

so just

cope

?

[steep tulip]

mayhaps.

it's why yveltal is so good

so often

lol

[opaque parrot]

fair enough

what does cm ground run as last move

[left dew]

https://pokepast.es/a63335c138196c90

[lime prairie]

there are quite a few problems looking at this. First thing is you never lead mewtwo. It's never worth it vs anything to take the lead trade, since you'll end up para'd at best and slept at worst, so you'll just lose your best wincon. Tauros and Zam are better leads, but zam in the back just isn't worth so if you wanted to keep that it p much has to be the lead. The next big thing is if you're building rby, you better have a really good reason if you're dropping chansey and especially lax. The tier is really restricted for the main core of your team generally, I've dropped chansey on like 1 team I've ever made and lax on 0. If you had a specific few mons in mind you wanted to use it would be better to help narrow it down, but this many mons outside of the big 4 wouldn't work

mew also needs a better normal move, just hyper beam doesn't cut it

[restive tide]

Anyone got any suggestions (no pokemon restrictions)? https://pokepast.es/bf111fbed35e30b1

[shut skiff]

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[fast iron]

What gen?

[restive tide]

national prolly

[steep tulip]

@warped pier

wake up honey, daily ND Ubers rate

[warped pier]

I suggest you to check the sample teams and viability rankings thread, as well as the ressources on the natdex ubers discord such as the role compendium, because the team is far from the standard and can't be rated in this state 😦

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/76de1d311a12e810

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden cosmos]

ORAS?

[steep tulip]

you know we're all in Ubers discord right

lol

[opaque parrot]

the :fireceus:

yes but just in case

,

[steep tulip]

ropalme tbf doesn't read it a lot

[opaque parrot]

doesnt hurt to have more feedback (maybe)

[wooden cosmos]

Yeah, I was focusing a bit more on the NatDex server

But if the team is on the Ubers Discord, I can go there

Prob more efficient

[steep tulip]

this is what the oras players online at the time suggested

[opaque parrot]

sure

[left dew]

@lime prairie https://pokepast.es/ff9c5b4fa79696e0

[lime prairie]

This looks a lot better, I’d probably do sing > light screen chansey tho

Team is decently offensive w zam and double boom double amnesia

So sleep can be huge

[warped pier]

definitely needs sleep chansey here

[primal nest]

bump

sorta not entirely unlike a known team

it's way better than the known team in question though

[turbid marlin]

https://pokepast.es/3c9b35f50c1ab674 ? It is my first time building

[shut skiff]

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[versed lava]

Assault Vest Flutter mane is not a good idea, this thing has not a good bulk

Also you miss a good check to Koraidon

And your clodsire has only 3moves

[potent hound]

Whats a good check to koraidon? And is the team playstyle good or is there a better playstyle in ubers

[versed lava]

A water type like toxa or alomomola for example

The team is cool but you need lots of momentum to be efficient

[steep tulip]

we put this on the dex royal

[turbid marlin]

Any one that you know and what for miraidon

[turbid marlin]

Ok so what should be instead of av flutter

[versed lava]

I swear this isnt a thing but ok

[steep tulip]

it's offensive bundle answer

it's not a switch-in but it denies super specific things

me and aber went 4-0 with it, lol

[turbid marlin]

I went 8-0 today but low ladder

[steep tulip]

make clodsire into ting-lu, make flutter-mane into any offensive mon; you actually have double pivot and a rocker that lets in corv so maybe chi-yu

[versed lava]

Knock off > Prough

I'm still inconfortable with Koraidon MU

Tusk has too much things to do in that team to solo check

[steep tulip]

you could just make flutter into a dirge

[versed lava]

Rocks setter + spin

[steep tulip]

lol

you move rocks to 2nd ground

[versed lava]

True

[steep tulip]

(ting-lu)

and you're fine :D

[versed lava]

Or you play rock + spikes

[steep tulip]

that's fine

[turbid marlin]

Thanks for dirge one i really won a game

Else sd koraidon swept me

[frigid palm]

https://pokepast.es/3eec463709bfdc74
thoughts?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

Tera Ground Corvi and you're golden

[ancient compass]

https://pokepast.es/475a67444fe8f61a is this good? i got a load of wins low ladder with this team

[frigid palm]

alright, ty

[serene mica]

https://pokepast.es/a68e9303e9f0d2ea

[opaque parrot]

palafin + koraidon is a nono

honestly defensive tusk here> palafin and its good

[tough sun]

I don't like the 0 moonblast switchins on this team

[opaque parrot]

hm

true

[teal vine]

can someone rate this tteam

https://pokepast.es/fdac629a246776ea

[shut skiff]

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[tough sun]

this is just unviable, you should take a sample

nvm I forgot there aren't any

just ask someone for a team

[potent hound]

^ what vetikk said, your team jusr doesnt have good mons or coherent sets

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings.3712978/ you can check here for what mons are good and the smogdex for sample sets

[opaque parrot]

you can also check the bazaar for mostly good teams asw

while samples arent up

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/24b381a2a9ebc83f

[shut skiff]

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[opaque parrot]

ss

[warped pier]

It looks terrible vs hazards stacking team, and hazards in general

Since you have no defogger

Like, dtail zyg + spikes looks impossible to stop for your team

[opaque parrot]

oh yeah

hm

then like

ogre answer+ defog > bliss

[warped pier]

I think you should go spd Etern and have ho oh over Bliss

[opaque parrot]

doesnt that lose to

marsh

[warped pier]

You have a lot of para spreader

And it can't really switch in on anything besides ndm

Meaning it's pretty easy to cripple it or damage it heavily

[opaque parrot]

what kinda hooh

[warped pier]

And even on ndm, as marsh you don't wanna switch into ihead

[opaque parrot]

band or boots

[warped pier]

Boots

Band needs far more support to work, and boots offensive variants works alone

[opaque parrot]

Ho-Oh @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 192 Atk / 52 SpD / 16 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Sacred Fire
• Brave Bird
• Whirlwind
• Defog

this?

[warped pier]

I'd go either ww or twave over it

[opaque parrot]

its ww

[warped pier]

Both work, it's up to your choice and how confident you are to paralyze etern with your other mates

[opaque parrot]

kk

https://pokepast.es/e938b9bd12939a34

[warped pier]

Looks better

Maybe a bit shaky vs meteor beam etern

[opaque parrot]

oh yeah this should be iron head onndm

[warped pier]

But you have way to break it

Yeah definitely

Spd NDM is also better in this team

[opaque parrot]

i put physdef cuz i kinda lose to like

garm

[turbid marlin]

Umm guys so i added ting lu and dirge but it making my team super weak to flutter mane

[steep tulip]

no hard answer exists to flutter mane

with the right moves it breaks everything

closest you'll get to a check is SpD Corvi and Shadow Ball blissey

[still galleon]

wouldn’t orthworm be a nice counter cus it’s pure steel

[potent hound]

Go check oarthrowms spdef and hp stat and you will have your answer

Ignoring the fact that mane has coverage for steels

[potent hound]

Whats the team?

[turbid marlin]

https://pokepast.es/1e5dcad662ca7f76

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fast iron]

First things first, Flip Turn over U-Turn on Iron Bundle. STAB gives it more chip damage

[cinder fox]

What Prikki said, plus the only mon in Ubers that is immune to Flip Turn is Water Absorb Clodsire, and since you're running Boots Bundle, you can destroy Clod with Ice Beam

Another thing, I like Spikes > Rocks on Ting-Lu and Rocks > Knock on Tusk. Knock’s utility is generally outclassed by Rocks’ chip damage, and since Tusk has rocks you want Ting-Lu to have Spikes over rocks

[teal vine]

i made a new team https://pokepast.es/f6e062301d81cdc3

[shut skiff]

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[steep tulip]

Not good!

You're running bad Pokemon with even worse sets

[teal vine]

alr

tbh my buzzwole can kill zacian

lurantis gets atk up with moves that downgrade

[steep tulip]

You're thinking of a best case scenario

[teal vine]

regieleki is speed electro ball

[teal vine]

maybe yes

tbh idc

[steep tulip]

Zacian has no issue clicking Swords Dance in front of Buzzwole then sweeping

I suggest you to check the sample teams and viability rankings thread, as well as the ressources on the natdex ubers discord such as the role compendium, because the team is far from the standard and can't be rated in this state

[teal vine]

alr then ima go win 3 natdex ubers battles with this team

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/6c4d4f16b5c291fa

stalltwo in SS

👻

[lost sable]

im not good at judging teams but, shaky marshadow mu?

[turbid marlin]

Ok but i have not used spikes ever so idk when how to tho

[teal vine]

rock>spikes 100%

[serene mica]

mmy bo
https://pokepast.es/18306e668c77bed5

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[serene mica]

also I think this was missed

[steep tulip]

there's literally only 1 ND Ubers rater

@warped pier

[serene mica]

oh lol

[warped pier]

I'd go fire blast mm2y over aura sphere, naive yvel and sucker punch over heat wave

otherwise it looks decent

[wooden cosmos]

Make Korai Tera Fire as well

[warped pier]

I like Tera fight tbf but maybe that's just me lol

[wooden cosmos]

I think there's too much Tera Fairy running around that might screw you up, so I like Fire lol

A Tera Fairy Zyg could be really annoying to revenge

[teal vine]

bro likes dancin lol

[potent hound]

https://pokepast.es/c2d54edada26038d

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

man.

@warped pier you.

[warped pier]

given that

pdon is the best pokemon of the tier

electric spam has no place in the tier

I suggest you to check the sample teams and viability rankings thread, as well as the ressources on the natdex ubers discord such as the role compendium, because the team is far from the standard and can't be rated in this state

[turbid pewter]

Can I do doubles teams here too?

https://pokepast.es/387df661769c00cd

[shut skiff]

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[turbid pewter]

uh ok

anyway i did some work on the tera types like weakness analysis

thinking about tera water on Walking Wake, but steel helps with incoming fairy and dragon moves

poison kdon is my main tera anyway because it can ohko flutter mane and takes moonblasts well even from modest specs fmane

So yeah just ping me if you have feedback so i can see it, was gonna work on building the team tomorrow

oh and if anyone is wondering about hex on chi-yu, it's actually to go with torkoal's will o wisp

sorry for the text wall

[potent hound]

We dont really do doubles here sry

I dont do nd so hopefully @warped pier can help when he wakes up

[versed lava]

considering zacian-C/xerneas/Koraidon are 3 top tiers i'm unsure of CM z move dark ceus

especially combined with yveltal + tera dark on it

but y @warped pier would rate it better

[warped pier]

swap sd for rocks, Eruption for Overheat, and makes 252 SpA / 104 SpD / 152 Spe + Mild Nature on groudon, you really need SR in your team + this given moveset is useful to bait in Ground/Fairyceus. I'd suggest to run Tera Water/Grass/Ground on Zygarde, you really don't gain anything from tera dragon. I'd change SD for Dragon Dance on ndm, esp when you are playing ultra necrozma the boost in speed is excellent to deal with Koraidon. I'd run Close Combat over Behemoth Blade and makes Zacian Tera Fight, NDM is really a top tier wall and tera fight zacian is one of the best way to deal with it.
Also as mentionned, I'd change DarkCeus for GroundCeus, with basically the same set but with taunt over refresh and the ground plate, this way you have a second way to deal with ndm, as well as a good zygarde answer. Put it tera fairy, so you can do better against Koraidon. Finally, just slaps the 4 hp on yveltal in defense and makes it Timid, the base 90-100s is still a very tight speed tier and you wouldn't like to be outrun by xerneas which typically runs enough speed to outrun scarf koraidon after a geomancy boost, so flat 304 speed, which you can't reach with a modest nature

[lost sable]

@warped pier https://pokepast.es/d03fad0716be3821 help lol nothing feels good on ogre

im too lazy to make a balance

[warped pier]

Pdon is good

Over ogre

Also, slap Tera ghost on deoa and psycho boost over psychic

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/bce6470e398c5ece

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opaque parrot]

Obviously wake is new

Cant properly judge but it feels really weak to chiyu

[lost sable]

Judt double dance pdon? Kek rip this pogre team lol

[cunning rune]

I made this Sun Team, would love some feedback on it.
(I EVed the Walking Wake to outspeed everything that has 405 speed, so it outspeeds Miraidon, Koraidon, Chien Pao and Flutter Manes outside of Sun.)
https://pokepast.es/db75d4272db7fecc

[shut skiff]

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[tough sun]

why air balloon chi yu

and ceruledge

[acoustic furnace]

https://pokepast.es/01478a7c9c91cd68

Wondering if It’s bulky enough, any advice would be appreciated

[tough sun]

idk about these sets

[acoustic furnace]

Any specific issues?

This is for doubles to clarify

[tough sun]

nevermind, I thought this was singles ubers

[cinder fox]

Alright, so I’m not fond of this team for a lotta reasons.
A lot of the sets just don’t work, (like wtf is that Walking Wake set) you straight up don’t have a way to stop DD Miraidon from winning at preview at all, the two Ices (Chien-Pao and Iron Bundle) have no problem ravaging through half of this team at best, just to name a few

[tough sun]

Yeah the wake set sucks

Specs + speed boost is better than scarf + special boost

[fast iron]

Thing is, since it's a sun team you'll be wanting to have sun on the field as much as possible. Flutter Mane can still outspeed you, and you still fail to outspeed Iron Bundle

You need to be as fast as possible on offensive Pokemon since you still need to outspeed other, identical Pokemon

[cunning rune]

Okay I had no idea what to do for the Wake, could you send me a better one?

[cunning rune]

If the opponent is greedy and doesn't go for Dazzling Gleam the Headlong Rush OHKOs it

[opaque parrot]

but what if they do

[tough sun]

you're never going to beat good players if your team relies on the opponent misplaying

[fast iron]

Not always. DD Miraidons typically use max HP, so it actually only has an 87.5% chance to OHKO from full.

[cinder fox]

Plus who isn't using Dazzling Gleam against your team
Especially since you only have a single natural resist and it doesn't even beat Mirai

[fast iron]

wdym, this thread accepts any ubers tier to be rated

[lime prairie]

Nd Ubers is supposed to go into the nd non ou channel

Given that none of us I think aside from eledyr look at it

I haven’t had too much time to check some of the recent ones but if we get a lot the op of the thread might be changed a bit

[frigid palm]

chi yu almost always runs specs/scarf in sun, since you already have a scarfer run specs modest
tusk should be changed to defensive set cuz you dont have a koraidon check
mystical fire>tbolt since its stronger under sun and hits treads
i would also recommend running clodsire/treads over ceruledge, since you dont really have a miraidon check and ceru sucks anyways

i dont see the wake set working too much since opposing flutter are gonna be speed boosted anyway, and korai runs scarf a lot, plus bundle just outspeeds outright
ur better off running max spe

[cunning rune]

I see

[woeful geyser]

https://pokepast.es/a2aa274615147420

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

try asking in the doubles channel

DUbers is fundamentally too different from Ubers

but close enough to Doubles.

[dim zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/34ed3bdcb5b6ab93
Preparing for a tournament (Koraidon & Miraidon banned).

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tough sun]

don't you just get 6-0d by flutter

also just ask for people's day 1 teams because day 1 ou is ubers - legends

[dim zephyr]

okey, tried your theory and you were right all along

[potent hound]

going spdef corviknight should help u deal a bit better vs flutter mane and opposing iron bundle

also id probably make bundle boots

[versed lava]

i'd go Nasty plot or recover > focus blast tho

in a meta game without koraidon and miraidon this thing is really hard to revenge kill

so if you can place a Nasty plot you almost get 2 kills with tera automatically

[dim zephyr]

okey, I really took consideration of your recommendations, here is a revision. I wasn't sure about any solutions I came up for checking flutter mane, so I added one myself. https://pokepast.es/495ce85e2d4b61fa

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden cosmos]

You guys can ping me as well when it's NatDex

[stray root]

Yo i need help someone needs to help with with a gen 8 ubers team can someone give me something to base off of

[fast iron]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/crown-tundra-ss-ubers-viability-rankings.3675194/
Here’s the viability rankings for SS Ubers.

[restive tide]

https://pokepast.es/174bcd168e39942e yo can someone rate my team and provide help with how I should fix/rebuild it?

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stray root]

Can Someone Help me how to make a Trapper Gothitelle would love to use something new any members to add on this team would be great as well

[stiff pendant]

funny u mention that

[stiff pendant]

i gotchu

[stiff pendant]

https://pokepast.es/3da4c8c473292afc

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[silent badger]

Gen 8 SS Ubers https://pokepast.es/93c0c7e73aa690cf

Thoughts?

[warped pier]

Run life Orb Yveltal and you're good

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/b4c0f037164a1072

stall

[shut skiff]

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[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/ec94572458237c2f a few changes

[potent hound]

I would replace alolomola w someone else, there are just simply better Pokémon

[silver dragon]

Gen 7 Ubers https://pokepast.es/537e160fc6fa204f ive been tryin to build around mewtow y

oh the bot dindt ping

[wooden cosmos]

Looks pretty solid to me, it's close to a standard MMY build

[silver dragon]

oh any changes to suggest i guess?

[wooden cosmos]

Did you feel any weakness while playing?

Marshadow looks a tad annoying, but you can wear down LO

Like, you do have a Rayquaza weakness, but beyond that, it's a pretty good team imo

[silver dragon]

oo

[digital gull]

Why is it lax? 💀

[silver dragon]

bw ubers https://pokepast.es/c0eedb8374cf02e8 ive tried to build a balance although unsure if i should change somethin here

[lime prairie]

you can't really get away w ebelt genesect

mainly in general atp in the meta but especially here when the team is super slow

I've never used much of the more niche mons like grassceus and heatran tho so @steep tulip will have more info whenever he's on

[silver dragon]

oh

[steep tulip]

I like that I am not tagged

For my main gen

Smh

Bot hates me?

[silver dragon]

i guess

[steep tulip]

OK so Heatran is a sun mon or at worse a bandaid on sun; Grass necessitates Stone Edge so you don't instalose to hooh... Something this team does. I'd argue Excadrill here is very that's very much not the play

also team instantly and I do mean INSTANTLY loses to ekiller.

[silver dragon]

oo

so ig i use other spinner?

[steep tulip]

That exca line is scuffed

It's almost 3am I apologise

[silver dragon]

oh its alr

[steep tulip]

If you wanna run a very standard rain balance my suggestion is stealing a Kyogre set from one of the public teams (samples are kinda...old but I'm sure we've posted good teams in post tour dumps, myself included)

Then doing something like Tentacruel + Ferrothorn

Then an offensive core

If you don't wanna go fishing for what to run you wanna hit 245 speed with Tenta then max SpD, ferro can go spdef too and then the Sp Def ogre set but with max phys def

That's the super basic BW defensive core

[silver dragon]

i see

[steep tulip]

If you want to build something more specific lmk

Weather wise, mon wise, anything

[silver dragon]

i mean i was tryin first to build around bulk spinner exca but unsure on what to build arond it

like woould it work better with weatherless i guess?

[steep tulip]

Oh Exca isn't sth you build around it's a glue mon!

Think of it like uh landot in OU

[silver dragon]

ooh

[steep tulip]

I posted a team in 2020 or 2021 with it

It was excadrill/sp def Kyogre/latios/Kabutops/Ghostceus with rocks/sth I forget

[silver dragon]

yea its alr imma rest now aswell tmrw ill try build somethin else

[steep tulip]

Maybe last mon ferro

Cause idt I'd run 1 steel exca

Or maybe I was girao + steelceus

They both sound decent

[silver dragon]

perhaps

[steep tulip]

Hope the bot tags tomorrow and if it doesn't I'm your guy for old gens

[silver dragon]

ye sure i ping ya if any case

[bright wind]

https://pokepast.es/4e6fc7ade34fe3d5
Gen 9 Ubers Sun.

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

team gets immediately 6-0ed by a lead Flutter Mane

sun isn't gonna carry you to victory as a strat, you gotta have a gameplan besides that; your team relies exlusively on speed ties to beat foes like Chien-Pao and/or opposing Miraidon

Torkoal has no niche and Iron Leaves arguably is also unusable

[bright wind]

so basically im wasting tera for just Flutter

[bright wind]

what can i do for that?

[steep tulip]

well I'd tell you to run a sample team to get better acquainted with the tier but we don't have those... instead I'll point you to the team dump

[bright wind]

alr

[steep tulip]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-winter-league-ii-feedback-and-team-sets-cold-storage.3717059/

try and find the SV teams since people posted multi-gen

but I know Richard and Aberforth's teams are good cause we reached finals

[silver dragon]

@steep tulip forgot to ask but is sand teams viable on bw ?

[hasty lake]

yes

[hasty lake]

https://pokepast.es/bffd2ed41c8183d2
Put together setup sweepers for a hyper offense team ill use it in the usm ubers cup iv any suggestions to change?

[steep tulip]

Yeah, excadrill can act as a fantastic cleaner and tar has good stats

Or you go sandstall route and it's still good!

[silver dragon]

oo

i was htinkin on using with lando aswell

prob ill gonna need use gastro mayb

as a "kyogre" check

[silver dragon]

https://pokepast.es/f9d7c9ff3ccd959b gen 5 ubers sand

@steep tulip bot dindt ping so ive tried doin this sand team unsure if i should change somethin here

[steep tulip]

Lugia would need speed and has counter synergy because of sand + multiscale; team has a lot of gas but no breaks considering that u can run into any dragon-type and cry

[silver dragon]

so perhaps pressure instead of multiscale ig

[steep tulip]

perhaps we don't run lugia

:)

[silver dragon]

true

[steep tulip]

I should note that I have an rfaq in Ubers room that basically reads "any analysis made before gen 7 is probably real bad"

and this applies to half of your team

not because of your own fault!

[silver dragon]

smogon analysis outdated moment

[steep tulip]

but because analyses sets are just... bad

[silver dragon]

surely samples arent aswell

[steep tulip]

OK so an easy fix imo because atm lugia is a real bandaid

is to run something like err

[silver dragon]

latias?

[steep tulip]

maybe arceus-water

and a different mon over lugia

[silver dragon]

oh yea arceus water prob

[steep tulip]

latias is indeed extremely good

cause you can in theory hwish exca back up

btw do experiment with rock slide and iron head interchangeably

cause idk which one is better here :o

and try out balloon exca!

sleeper OP

[silver dragon]

oh yea ballon exca

although do i run still on adamant ig?

[steep tulip]

yes

jolly is only necessary if you are terrified of exactly modest max speed kyogre

[silver dragon]

o

[silver dragon]

@steep tulip https://pokepast.es/73083462f6a83c58 i tried using physical defensive arceus to substitute lugia

[steep tulip]

I'd def do thunder latias here

or psyshock

for exactly ho-oh

no CM.

Ability: Multitype  
EVs: 248 HP / 164 Def / 96 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Fire Blast  
- Recover  
- Ice Beam  
- Toxic```

this is the arceus-water I run on my sands but you can substitute fire blast with judgement, spacial rend, twave...

[silver dragon]

oo

yea prob psyshock bc will also help with other mons aswell like arceus fighting

although with thunder i could hit harder stuff like kyogre

i thought on using perish song bc arceus ekiller stop goin to set sub

[steep tulip]

between rocks/ferro/exca you should be fine-ish vs ekiller

and toxic on water

[silver dragon]

i mean i guess even tho ferro isnt physical defensive

[steep tulip]

could even go willo waterceus if terrified

[silver dragon]

prob toxic

so i can threaten other stuff aswell

will o acc feels kinda painful to use it

[silver dragon]

i just realized i might strugglee with ferro

without fire blast on arceus

also a friend suggested to me use ghost arceus instead although unsure about it

[steep tulip]

it'd be fine

[silver dragon]

alr then

[cunning stump]

https://pokepast.es/84bbc9b51b7a6ea6 gen 7 Ubers can you guys rate my team just created

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[bright wind]

i think you should run roost over recover on Ho-oh

[steep tulip]

curse ho-oh wants to be z-move exclusively and yveltal needs speed so you're not fodder to primals; mixed primal kyogre hasn't been a set since forever

oh no primal groudon here either

make ho-oh into primal groudon, scarf bulky yveltal and make kyogre either rest talk or the water spout set

[sacred spoke]

hi guys what will you add to this team

one sec

Arceus-Water
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Defog
• Judgment
• Toxic
• Recover

Yveltal @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Dark Pulse
• Oblivion Wing
• U-turn
• Sucker Punch

Dugtrio @ Focus Sash
Ability: Arena Trap
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Stone Edge
• Stealth Rock
• Sucker Punch

Gengar-Mega @ Gengarite
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Focus Blast
• Substitute
• Nasty Plot

[silver dragon]

Gen 6 or 7?

[sacred spoke]

there is no generation here, its like custom game but without zacian and mega rayquaza

everything is allowed but with uber rules

like baton pass ban

im thinking about blissey with shadow ball/teleport/soft boiled/toxic

to counter maybe gengar mega

[steep tulip]

wdym there's no generation

what mechanics do you expect us to follow.

and "ubers rules" change per gen

[tough sun]

Primal Groudon is mandatory

In any singles format it's legal in

[silver dragon]

not really tbh

i dont think u would try use primal groundon on stall lol

although yea besides stall ig in any other team u wanna use it

[tough sun]

No it's literally snorlax level mandatory

If you don't use it you are giving your opponent a huge advantage

[silver dragon]

oh

[steep tulip]

you would]

[silver dragon]

really?

i mean i know is that bulky but wouldnt just using rest or wish be a bit vulnurable lol evne htough u can try toxic

[lost sable]

heal bell blissey:

anyway, heres some ho-oh sun i thought of on the bus: https://pokepast.es/17913f02882fd70a
debating sludge bomb>tspikes and i have doubts about how to ev etern on this team and in general, looking forward to the feedback :3

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[warped pier]

you probably want flare blitz over sacred fire to not burn those eternatus on switch

[lost sable]

cool

[lost sable]

is there a general guide to how to pick between sacred fire and flare blitz?

[warped pier]

Generally you want sacred fire if you rly wanna burn things or if you don't care burning eternatus

But with offensive hooh usually I'd run Flare Blitz because that's your best chance to break etern, esp as you have iron head ndm back

[silver dragon]

Usually i only go use sacred fire to force out ndm and other physical threats

Even then if theres an etern alive better not risk but also sacred fire is more easy to pp stall it but most of time ur just gonna para spam with ho oh defensive

[fast iron]

why does eternatus like being burned?

[silver dragon]

because paralyze is way worse eternatus doesnt use physical moves only special

paralyze is always one of the worst status in ubers

aside from toxic

and ofc the rare freeze

[lost sable]

alright ty

[lost sable]

basically, being paralysed as eternatus is bad. eternatus uses its speed such that it can always take a hit and recover it off the next turn before you can finish it off, but para halves your speed, so para is bad. theres 2 ways of getting around this: dodging every single thunder wave in existence, and having another status condition. obviously you could just dodge, but that is really unreliable. the alternative is getting another status. eternatus is immue to poison, its risky to constantly try to get frozen by ice beam since they do a good amout, which leaves burn. another thing is burn halves your physical damage output, but eternatus doesnt care about that

tl;dr, its to avoid being paralyzed

[fast iron]

Makes sense to me

[silver dragon]

@steep tulip should i try change somethin here on the bw sand team? https://pokepast.es/83b1cba7a36dc61e

[steep tulip]

drop healing wish or cm on latias you need double STAB it's really important

and make sure you understand your stalk absorber is basically not there

I personally run stalk>gknot on lando-i for that reason

the 6 are good tho

[silver dragon]

oo

alr then

i think ill prob drop healin wish i feel like sometimes i cant really use bc my mons arent really that bulky except idk arceus and ferro mayb

[silver dragon]

oo yea so i wont be that vulnurable to darkai

[lost sable]

https://pokepast.es/e72ca86d91e17caf ss, got wreaked by 4a palkia a while ago so here i am

also considering an alternative with ho-oh>ferro with haban etern maybe to pressure etern more

uhh chatot didn't ping ill do it in a couple hours

[silver dragon]

You dont really have speed control or a fast mon

I feel like a m2 could easily wreck that team imma ping the rater since the bot dindt

[silver dragon]

@warped pier yo can u help him

[warped pier]

I feel that you really lack a breaker in your team

specially offensive palkia lacks the power to break through the yen core imo, it has to anticipates every entries of eternatus to make progress

imo I'd just change it to Bulk Up Palkia, it has more utility overall, and is far less dependant to predictions with Substitute

[lost sable]

oo

but actually what if i went ho-oh>etern

ferro*

[warped pier]

I think you need spikes pressure, because otherwise your team is too passive for what it tries to accomplish, and not bulky enough to get rid of the spikes

also Kyogre + Palkia + Ho-oh sounds not very good overall

[silver dragon]

Ho oh is better with groundon

[warped pier]

Kyogre + hooh isn't that bad, but the 3 of them together is

[lost sable]

generally s[eaking, is the issue with (spcial) palk the lack of power?

[warped pier]

I'd say, it's more like a lack of opportunity rather than power

150 special attack and good stabs is no joke, but other wallbreakers are either fast (ie meteor beam eternatus) or have better machups against the usual defensive staples of the tier (kyogre, for instance)

Palkia, and especially its special set lacks some tools to break through the opposition reliably

Meaning it has to count on hard prediction to make progress

[lost sable]

ic

might just go back to the drawing board on this one

[sacred spoke]

i'm organising tournament with my friends with this rules (ubers gen 8), but now i think my previous question was stupid because I shouldn't ask for something that doesn't exist

[ripe grove]

can someone rate my new sun team https://pokepast.es/70c58c95891b7ec1

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steep tulip]

this is not good. AT ALL!

you can even run this in OU; if you were to run it there it'd still not be good on account of every set except debatably gholdengo and dnite being good

[ripe grove]

then what should i use

[ripe grove]

every team i make everyone always says theres nothing good about it and i need to start from scratch

[fast iron]

Well, first off, look at the viability rankings for the tier you're building for.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-viability-rankings.3712978/
is the one for Ubers.

We can see that the only Pokemon capable of setting sun that's viable in Ubers is Koraidon, so therefore a sun team must use Koraidon.

Alternatively, you can use a sample core or sample team from the resources. You can have faith that sample teams and cores are always going to be usable.
Unfortunately, there are no sample teams currently in existence for SV Ubers, but there is the Ubers Team Bazaar where you can find others' teams, but there isn't any guarantee they'll be great.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-scarlet-and-violet-good-cores.3711306/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ubers-bazaar.3711311/

[wheat shale]

https://pokepast.es/e98e3396b63a58a7 @steep tulip

[steep tulip]

Outside of "holy crap if I don't pilot this well Draco is gonna Meteor me" it looks good!

[wheat shale]

could haban palk help with that

[wheat shale]

https://pokepast.es/2d77ca35966683d9 @steep tulip wdyt

just wanted to run deo-s + 5 dudes that blow things up

[steep tulip]

is this the dex set?

or from an old team

I updated deo-s but idr what it looks like

mixed dialga hmmm

[wheat shale]

its not the dex set idt

[steep tulip]

this latios is asking for a lot on such a team

I'd prolly try lum Palkia instead

actually it'd be kinda weak to grounds

yeah no this team folds to groudon, I'd just do gira-o over latios and run some more bulk on ogre

[wheat shale]

k ty

[steep tulip]

psycho boost needs a lot of SpA

else you're not killing tenta

and you're dead weight

[wheat shale]

oh i did not know that

[steep tulip]

Deoxys-Speed @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 80 HP / 252 SpA / 176 Spe
Rash Nature

• Spikes
• Signal Beam
• Psycho Boost
• Extreme Speed

[wheat shale]

https://pokepast.es/34f9c9b3fee679a2 @steep tulip haven't built this tier in a while

so it might be bad

[steep tulip]

Lead subpunch m2 always feels weird

Like what are you realistically targetting

[wheat shale]

should i lead with latios or groudon?

[steep tulip]

Def groudon

[sullen yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/0866837c15c184c4
genuinely wondering if this is good or not

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[tawdry estuary]

Short answer: nope

Breloom and pult are not good pokemon in Ubers, and youre obscenely weak to Koraidon which sweeps you straight up

But you're also very weak to Earthquake and primarily offensive Great Tusk

A way to improve this is by adding your own Koraidon to the mix (specifically choice scarf) over Dragapult and an actual Earthquake switch-in over Breloom (physically defensive Corviknight should do the trick)

And lastly, if you're using Koraidon (which fits your team best) you shouldnt be pairing it with Palafin unless you're a pro. It would probably be best to replace Palafin with a Koraidon answer like Toxapex, Skeldirge, Dondozo or Great Tusk

Lastly, use recommended sets for pokemon (you can do this by clicking on import in the builder once you chose the format and pokemon; the recommended sets appear at the bottom). These sets are decided on by good players and they went trough a lot of thought and effort to be put together.

[tough sun]

Generally water absorb clod is better

because unaware makes you take more damage from draco

[tawdry estuary]

Yes that's the recommended set (except with Tera steel also)

[primal nest]

https://pokepast.es/2d20f22927485670

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @potent hound, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[primal nest]

adv

ogre tios cmbliss cmrachi wobb oma

[steep tulip]

Dawg you're the best ADV player in this discord idk what to tell you

What's the sauce with wobb

Idk, maybe I'd do standard Bliss I don't get sicko'd by shit like Groudon (Seismic eventually does damage)

And you definitely are going fishing with no refresh on Lati on a team who runs ground resist ogre...

[primal nest]

hmm, fair points, thanks

in theory i'm pressuring don with spikes + ice coverage on everything

i have noticed twave don being irritating

though i can play around it

cmbliss is broken and benefits from wobb, so i wanna keep it

besides idk if standard bliss really solves the problem

even if i get the tox off i still have to switch in a couple times

hmm, maybe skarm > rachi and subpet espeed deoa > oma

[fast iron]

why do you have 9 HP on Wobbuffet?

[primal nest]

alternately drop psychic for refresh on tios but

i'm already sorta lose to hera

[primal nest]

makes me die to 5 stosses from bliss

so i can encore bliss into stoss and die before the encore ends

[fast iron]

Gotcha

[primal nest]

i hate using skarm though tbh

it's fishing no mag

(which is 99% of teams but...)

[primal nest]

this version sorta loses to thunder deoa though

[primal nest]

actually

skarm counts as priority

so you don't really actually need skarm and deoa

so you can run tias

ogre tios cmbliss skarm wobb tias

[restive tide]

Yo does anyone got any suggestions for this team? https://pokepast.es/a53764e79879e813

[shut skiff]

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[fast iron]

Zacian-Crowned is banned in gen 8 Ubers

[potent hound]

Thats natdex

[fast iron]

Oh, you're right. My mistake.

[primal nest]

i tested this team more and

my verdict is that it sorta sucks

[steep tulip]

Why!

[primal nest]

a well-played fast bliss just messes it up too much

[silver dragon]

is lando incarnate useful on ss ubers or lando t just overall better?

[tawdry estuary]

lando incarnate can be good as a stealth rock setter on webs teams because of strong attacks like lo earth power, rock slide and explosion

[chilly matrix]

https://pokepast.es/083619c334bf6657

[shut skiff]

New Ubers RMT @lime prairie, @wooden cosmos, @steep tulip, @warped pier, @versed lava. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chilly matrix]

Hows this offense team

I was originally running great tusk over iron treads but then I realized I got 6-0 by specs flutter main

[patent egret]

Gen 7 Ubers... kinda feel like I wasted my time tbh

[lime prairie]

Not a bad start, your build is very similar to the sample ho we have

Which is just gren > deo and ekiller > waterceus

I’d recommend making groudon a double dance since deo has rocks, making ndm z move offensive double dance since again you don’t need rocks with deo, and the arceus water an arceus normal

[gray anvil]

[GEN 9]
What the f**k was I thinking 🙂
https://pokepast.es/a259cb4f91a4db4c

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[steep tulip]

wouldn't do tera water on such a team where you have consistent ways to beat any ground-type + your resists to anything are "just win the tie!". Do Overheat>Tera Blast and make it tera dragon of fairy, make Flutter Mane the AV set from the smogdex and make Koraidon Close Combat (better damage output + you have solid checks to the sucker punch users as is)

[gray anvil]

Overheat on WHO?

Miraidon?

[steep tulip]

yes

[gray anvil]

Ok

Thx

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/4db38fe260ed7421

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[opaque parrot]

sv

[cinder fox]

Brambleghast isn’t really a good mon in Ubers
I get you wanted a spinner that can threaten all the good spinblockers, but you already have that with Great Tusk

[opaque parrot]

rather, its a spinblocker for tusk and treads

[cinder fox]

Brambleghast can’t stop Corv from Defogging at all. It is outclassed in the role of keeping up hazards by Balloon Gholdengo, which itself is rare. However, Dengo has the very minor benefit of switching into Bundle and being able to take a hit, while Brambleghast is terrified of its Ice STAB.
I also don’t get why Glimmora is Choice Scarf instead of Spikes stacking? If your team is hell bent on stacking hazards and using a bulky spinblocker then you should prolly use Glimm for what it’s best at. Plus, it can actually threaten the spinners themselves with a combo of Energy Ball and Earth Power while removing your own hazards with Mortal Spin.

I would go Balloon Dengo > Brambleghast and Spikes/Mortal Spin/Earth Power over Gleam/Sludge Wave/Power Gem on Glimm

[near drift]

https://pokepast.es/d52ff3a0577bc72b

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[near drift]

SV

[lime prairie]

these mons aren't in sv, if you mean nd ubers you might get a better answer in #natdex non-ou, but just looking at it this doesn't seem viable since it only really has ho-oh for good mons

[near drift]

oh mb

i got confused since it said highest tier

[lime prairie]

it is, the ubers tier and subforum just doesn't run nd ubers

it's a separate thing under natdex

[near drift]

Ah

[patent egret]

USUM Ubers anyone?

[runic yew]

https://pokepast.es/f8eb98c2c9f33e86 doubles ubers

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[steep tulip]

you're more likely to find help in the DOU channel

doubles is fundamentally too different from singles Ubers

[runic yew]

Ok

[chilly matrix]

https://pokepast.es/cf99213c3360bbd8

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[chilly matrix]

Hows this offense team

[tawdry estuary]

Looks pretty good but you need a Koraidon answer

[lost sable]

https://pokepast.es/7b12275c98301c79 ive read so much on the ogre and ho oh analyses on how they para etern for each other yet they dont feel like they work together in actual games, any advice?

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[lost sable]

and yea the team is pretty bad but is that ogre+ho-oh's fault or is that my bad for not understanding it

[warped pier]

I think it's a problem of team structure here, not to mention that scarf ogre is really bad overall

[lost sable]

Oh i see

[unkempt fern]

Hello, I tried making an SV Ubers team, here's my PokePaste. My primary question is: does Miraidon work better as a wallbreaker or a late game cleaner in this team?
https://pokepast.es/f84253ada7956091

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[unkempt fern]

(Specifically, should I keep a switch move on Miraidon for more pivots or swap that out for Calm Mind?)

[unkempt fern]

Uh, hello?

[opaque parrot]

it looks ok, really weak to other miraidon ig

i wouldnt use flutter, just use bundle

scizor kinda sucks

[lime prairie]

Been busy recently but des is right, this is way too weak to opposing miraidon. You can try to answer double dance with prio but don’t have a gleam switch in before tera, and it gets even worse if you face goth and it removes tusk for scarf / specs miraidon.

Palafin shouldn’t be life orb, if you’re gonna run it you either run the bulk up set or the cb set, and cb probably better here for rk’ing and because miraidon wants to tera a lot

It should probably be used to make progress to answer your question

Rather than as a cleaner

It’s usually not fast enough without agility or scarf to clean so you wanna use tera blast to kill stuff early

I think if you put a tera steel clodsire you’d shore up the miraidon mu and still have smth for bundle, and it also gives you spikes which helps palafin

If bundle still worries you tho you can go av flutter or smth to 1v1 other flutter and take a hit from bundle

[opaque parrot]

this does feel a bit like the uh av miraidon sample but with a random scizor

so idk i would just use that potentially

[unkempt fern]

Thanks for the advice. So to summarize, I should give Palafin the Choice Band and swap out Flutter for Bundle, and swap out Scizor for Clodsire? @opaque parrot @lime prairie

I'm pretty new at this, so I appreciate the specific substitution suggestions.

[lime prairie]

Nah you can keep flutter

I meant if opposing bundle scare you then you can change the flutter mane set to beat it more often

[unkempt fern]

Ah ok

[lime prairie]

You probably could make it bundle if you wanted since it’s rain but it’s not required and might not work as well for some things

[unkempt fern]

I'll keep at it with Flutter for a while, see how that goes.

How should I use Clod?

Just switch him in against Miraidon?

Or just as a good switch in to like things that can't hurt him?

Also, would running Water Absorb on Clod be worth it to shore up the Bundle matchup?

[opaque parrot]

water absorb on clod is a must imo

[lime prairie]

Water absorb is far better than unaware

It’s a miraidon answer and can handle some bundle, especially if you tera steel

Should primarily be used for miraidon but it can answer some other things too like pex gholdengo etc and set spikes

[opaque parrot]

unawares niche is answering like cm flutter and espathra with tera but

its not enough of a niche

[silver dragon]

is YEN a must on ss ubers?

[lost sable]

pretty much

stall and some ho are the only ones that can get away with not running 1/2 of the members

[bright wind]

You could get away with not using it <1500 elo

[lost sable]

im assuming we mean in a competitive format here

[silver dragon]

^

[sudden flame]

https://pokepast.es/bb2a15eafc55cb91

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[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/817406f923abe480

i am bad at game so this might be shit

but hey send aid

idea: sun team

[lime prairie]

this is pretty solid, I think it just needs one less water type

you might struggle vs stuff like opposing bundle in rain, and chien pao

since all you have for pao is tera fairy and hoping they sack to jet punch

shoring up those weaknesses in 1 slot isn't really possible tho so you might be fine just keeping these guys and outplaying

but I'd say consider kingambit, and maybe tera water annihilape so it can take a hydro in rain better from other bundle

otherwise it seems fine enough

[lime prairie]

not a bad idea, but it's missing a few things. Koraidon should be the only sun setter, torkoal is unviable, and it should probably be scarf for speed control and pivoting into chi yu, whose set is fine. You need a Great tusk on sun p much always since opposing korai is scary, and a mon for miraidon as well

so I'd say phys.def great tusk > torkoal, clodsire / ting lu > roaring moon, scarf koraidon > sd, and then make flutter mane assault vest

also tera dark on the chien pao

4 choice mons is a little much, 3 is already pushing it, so flutter can be av to beat bundle better and have the ability to actually mix up moves

[sudden flame]

Kingambit over what? Palafin or Bundle?

[lime prairie]

tbh try both but probably bundle if I had to say one

[sudden flame]

Ah ok

Bundle is the main mon for speed control tbh

And Palafin is the breaker

Should I try replacing Ape?

But Ape is really good at spin blocking

[empty bridge]

Lemme read all this

[empty bridge]

Gotchu

I didnt realize i had 4 choices until you told me lmao

[lime prairie]

this is fair, but I think miraidon + palafin and gambit for prio is fine as well vs most things

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/2220ecc09a234c0e

@lime prairie there were a LOT of variable specifics on the great tusk and koraidon sets

so yeah i need aid when it comes to tera types and movesets

but this is the new version

rn i went for stealth rock rapid spin tusk with play rough for korai, spikes whirlwind on tinglu and flare blitz collision course on korai

[sudden flame]

Also, should I go damp rock over HDB on Pelipper?

[lime prairie]

no

boots is better

[lime prairie]

this seems fine

you can maybe do close combat > collision course just for power but it's not mandatory

rocky helmet tusk is also a consideration here

bc you can chip koraidon for stuff to win easier

[sudden flame]

really?
Coz team is pure water spam, so

[lime prairie]

yeah boots is always better p much

[empty bridge]

oh didn't think of that ty

[lime prairie]

you don't wanna be taking 25 on your koraidon answer

in exchange for powering up jet punch

I'd only really use damp rock w floatzel personally

[empty bridge]

i'll stick with course tho ig because i don't wanna be scarf locked into cc

but i like the rocky helmet idea

[empty bridge]

makes it too easy for chien pao to do the unfunny

[sudden flame]

Hydro power up is more valuable that Jet Punch honestly

But yeah

I get your point

[lime prairie]

maybe, still not worth losing boots

[sudden flame]

It's the Korai check here

[spiral grail]

This Kyurem-B is good right?

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/e879df8aa1b488e5

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[opaque parrot]

nd rates dont go here

but also in general dont send specific sets, its for teams

[spiral grail]

My bad

[empty bridge]

you can send this in #comp-general

[spiral grail]

gotcha

[empty bridge]

rate my team has some very specific rules for team rating but in general you can send most stuff

np

[cinder fox]

nah nah nah nah nah
no way you’re using fucking draco meteor koraidon

[opaque parrot]

its a legit set

lol

[cinder fox]

but also it doesn’t work really
draco does like 60 to defensive tusk tops

[opaque parrot]

iirc its gonna be added to smogdex soon

yea but i can pivot out from mons like dozo tusk and pex

into goth

by clicking draco and activating eject pack

[cinder fox]

huh actually it does even less than i thought

0- SpA Koraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Great Tusk: 183-216 (42.1 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[opaque parrot]

i mean yeah

i think its better to run -spdef or something but

its fine

[cinder fox]

you can do that with u-turn as well

sure you might take something like helmet chip but those switches are pretty obvious

[opaque parrot]

i mean its still a legit set tho

you can ask anyone

[cinder fox]

maybe

but idt it really works here

also why poison jab on pex?

why not sludge bomb?

[opaque parrot]

breaks cm flutter sub

since that 6-0s

[cinder fox]

just use haze

besides cm flutter is rare

and only found on screens

at least in my experience

and behind screens

jab doesn’t break the sub

0- Atk Toxapex Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane through Reflect: 42-51 (16.7 - 20.3%) -- possible 5HKO

so here’s what i’d change

scarf korai i think is fine here
you get a fast pivot out of a wall into goth to trap something like tusk or pex

I don’t love specs on goth but it’s okay ig

lefties over eject pack on tusk
i don’t fully understand why i’m seeing eject pack tusk on ladder? guess ladder’s just running on a pound of cocaine created with a side of tar
but regardless lefties is prolly better here
surf > poison jab on pex
if you’re gonna invest a bit in special attack may as well use it
lastly, whirlwind > protect on ting-lu
otherwise you lose outright to dd mirai and espathra

[empty bridge]

https://pokepast.es/a4481cdb064dc56b

attempted to cook something with specs miraidon

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[empty bridge]

now for my usual catchphrase

"send aid"

[warped pier]

Band Palafin without rain support looks not very good

[empty bridge]

i was wondering about fin too

i was like

"hm i got these five what do i put in now"

and tried to put in fin just for flip turning and revenge killing but that was the one i was the least confident about too

[warped pier]

I think something like

Iron valiant

Could work

[empty bridge]

what set lo!!!!!

[warped pier]

Life Orb or Choice Specs I think

[empty bridge]

gotchu

anything else?

[sudden flame]

3 defensive ground types seem a bit too much ngl

Tusk and Treads do exactly the same thing

In this team

I think you bin Treads, coz you have Ting-Lu for Miraidon anyway

Make Ting Lu Max SpDef though

[empty bridge]

ok lol

[empty bridge]

oh i didn't realize i had both for the same thing till you told me

lmfao

also sorry my mom forced me to go to funny market

[opaque parrot]

i mean they have different roles even if they both set hazards and spin

[opaque parrot]

a lot of weird sets here

i would just drop treads here for something else

[empty bridge]

yeah they told me lo

but i can't figure out what for lol!!!!!

[opaque parrot]

uhh

something that doesnt cry into bundle

probably

[empty bridge]

maybe vest mane?

thinking over here

[late grove]

https://pokepast.es/221e56616298f001

Could I have some help with this team

And could you keep it gen8

Since the game I play on doesn’t have gen 9 added

[empty bridge]

just turn it into gen 8 ubers on teambuilding

this channel is for every generation ubers

[late grove]

yeah but i cant play gen 8 ubers

so i just keep it under gen 9 so i can play

[empty bridge]

oh

nevermind that i'm stupid

lol!

[lunar basin]

https://pokepast.es/da70f6891731d1a8
I know I have lots of weaknesses to ground, I got destroyed by 1 Earthquake Lucario :p

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[lunar basin]

Oh wait, I don't think this is NatDex Ubers..?

[sudden flame]

They check different things, but Treads' role of checking Miraidon is already covered by Ting Lu

[opaque parrot]

yh

[opaque parrot]

well, this team is for natdex ubers and we dont rate that here, that goes in a different channel

but the team still is not good at all since you have 0 good mons on it honestly

[spiral grail]

Pretty gimmicky right?

Deoxys-Defense @ Leftovers  
Ability: Pressure  
Tera Type: Steel  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD  
Careful Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Psycho Shift  
- Sleep Talk  
- Rest

[opaque parrot]

Uh what gen

[spiral grail]

9

[opaque parrot]

https://pokepast.es/9026779b6077dd8a

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[cinder fox]

AV Miraidon my beloved
Honestly, this doesn’t look bad; I can definitely see the merit of Amnesia on Clodsire. However, even so, I think Amnesia only really fits on stall teams, so I’d put just Spikes in that slot.
On scarf Koraidon, I think Close Combat is a little better than Collision Course as well, but that’s probably just personal preference.

[opaque parrot]

Almost every calc is the same with close combat vs collision

Tho

I think it's better here to rkill scarf tusks since defense drop from cc dies to headlong

[empty bridge]

oh you're the human being i fought against yesterday night

with those nicknames

[opaque parrot]

What's ur name

[empty bridge]

StallEPAbM

[opaque parrot]

Oh

[empty bridge]

lol

[fervent hare]

https://pokepast.es/6991001a98c62e0a
SM Ubers
Wanted to build specifically something with Aegi on it.

MU into Opposing Yvel looks rough but other than that I'd like to know what other stuff could pose issues.

[golden sun]

Is slither wing decent in Ubers ?

[opaque parrot]

Decent is kinda too much

It's usable

But its a bit hard to fit

[fast iron]

It’s tough, borderline frustrating to use but it can succeed in the right circumstances

[daring fjord]

I'm unfamiliar with Ubers for the most part
https://pokepast.es/9f60739a24aa9157

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[opaque parrot]

heat rock on koraidon is never good, i would just go scarfed / flame charge sd, you can just input the sets in smogdex for that

gardevoir here is super random, same with garg

i would go specs chiyu on this, flame overheat dark pulse and whatever you want

[daring fjord]

IG trace gard is a bit too much of a gimmick, Garg is there because I just straight up wasn't sure what else to put
But idk what to replace them with, do I just slap on some protosynthesis mons in place of them?

[opaque parrot]

you can just do like

offensive great tusk

and whatever you want last, probably something like tinglu

earthly delights (Great Tusk) @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe
Impish Nature

• Bulk Up
• Earthquake
• Rapid Spin
• Knock Off
  do this actually over garg and something like ting lu or even bliss over garde

[daring fjord]

alr

[austere trout]

https://pokepast.es/6934e12ff9088bc0 electric terrain quark drive team, its been performing p well for me but iron jugulis has been very useless so what do i replace him with?

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[opaque parrot]

Pincurchin ain't good

At all

This is 6-0d by koraidon and bundle

Tera blast water Mirai is meh outside of rain

[cinder fox]

adding on to woopre’s comment

iron jugulis, like pincurchin, is unviable in ubers

this team also struggles too much with koraidon

i suggest putting dirge over either pincurchin or jugulis

[opaque parrot]

Honestly jugulis seems interesting

But I haven't used it

[austere trout]

i know, its my terrain setter

do i just use mirai as my setter then?

https://pokepast.es/a5e151e51867eceb

is this better

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[cinder fox]

i think clodsire is unnecessary, as you already have treads to deal with dd mirai
I think I like flutter mane in that slot to punish Koraidon’s sun

[opaque parrot]

I think you make this av miraidon tbh

[fast iron]

Yeah, Terrain Extender isn’t really that great when you can (and should!) be pivoting Miraidon in aggressively

[austere trout]

got it

[silver dragon]

https://pokepast.es/dc83281b416644bd idk what to change here i tried to make a SS ubers team with mewtwo

[opaque parrot]

Etern>ttar

[silver dragon]

alr then

[opaque parrot]

You have no ndm and no etern

So that's

No good

[silver dragon]

well

i dont know where to fit them in

because ferro is gud agaisnt rain

[opaque parrot]

You kinda should honestly always have them, you can argue to drop one but in very specific structures

[silver dragon]

ttar is gud as spdef and can beat ho oh

[opaque parrot]

You can do smth like

[silver dragon]

mayb drop ndm ig

and put eter

[opaque parrot]

M2 geoxern ndm yveltal etern

And whatever last

Probably Ferro?

[silver dragon]

eh prob gonna stick with bulky xerneas

its the best way to beat zygarde

[opaque parrot]

M2 likes teammates who want ndm and yveltal chipped

And you have neither