UU Rates

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unique wren]

Bump

[foggy swallow]

I'll get to these soon I swear

[unique wren]

Alr!

[frail burrow]

https://pokepast.es/f03265274d0e18d4

[unique wren]

so uh, sorry for sounding impatient but, are you ready to rate my team?

[foggy swallow]

yeah i can

im home now

alrighty

i dont think conk is very good in this tier and you already have a okidogi

i would swap that for a assault vest torn therian

because its like the best mon in the tier

swap clodsire for a iron treads which gives you a steel type stealth rock and rapid spin all in one

make it air balloon so you dont lose to sandy shocks probably

[unique wren]

ur right mate

I do actually wanna keep Clod tho, Unaware Clod is a decent lead

[foggy swallow]

it isnt really

generally you want to be picking your lead based on whats your opponents team is

unless you are running hyper offense

you dont rly have a dedicated lead

make sinistcha tera electric

its just a better defensive type than steel for the mon

i think slowking that isnt max defense is kinda blegh because it doesnt check iron treads or hisui arcanine and generally just checks physical attackers less well

[brazen veldt]

This looks ok but kinda lacking defensively

[foggy swallow]

so i would make that max defense with a boosting nature

and tera fairy

[brazen veldt]

Mainly that you have no rocks and get manhandled by torn

[foggy swallow]

and okidogi should be psychic fangs instead of ice punch and optionally

tera dragon instead of fairy

also optionally you could make it bulk up

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/66e7fd8cbe8e9a6a
How does my team look now?

[brazen veldt]

Think the best change would be making it rocks shocks, I also don’t think the team really needs Tera ice on shocks when you volt into volcanion on every grass (unless it’s for like mence), opposing shocks MU is kinda rough too

I think u could make shocks into a balloon treads here + make qqval into a washtom or smth and that might be best path

[foggy swallow]

looks good, just make treads knock off over iron head and tera ghost

[unique wren]

got it, what else needs changing?

[foggy swallow]

nothing

looks good

after that

[lean monolith]

I’ll rate this soon

[unique wren]

alr, I am gonna make a 2nd team for UU, so be sure to look out for that

I do intend on making my 2nd team be more defensive.

[foggy swallow]

i was thinking harcanine over volc slowking over quaq treads over shocks

that version could be good

your

one

though

[brazen veldt]

Ya fair i was trying to minimize the changes to the initial team but harc Slowking is a super potent core

[foggy swallow]

fair enough

[frail burrow]

thoughts on replacing sciz with weavile?

helps with torn matchup

[brazen veldt]

Hmm

[frail burrow]

cuz especially av messes me up

[unique wren]

Alr, this is my 2nd team for UU which I'll use along with my 1st one.
https://pokepast.es/6cf7d039750a5b69

[frail burrow]

only thing that could touch it is sciz which just gets killed by heat wave

[brazen veldt]

You could do weavile + slowking + treads over Sciz qqval shocks

Shocks weavile is a potent core but you might need to restructure a bit more for that

[frail burrow]

i mean treads weavile kinda does better against shocks weavike

treads outspeeds plus balloon

[brazen veldt]

Well I mean that

If u wanted to keep shocks and add Weav over Sciz

That’s doable tho you’d need to mess w the rest of the team

[frail burrow]

thats fine im down

[brazen veldt]

Prob have to drop volcanion and qqval

[frail burrow]

ok

[brazen veldt]

Slowking amoonguss shocks Weav torn treads could work

[frail burrow]

shocks and treads on the same team?

booster shocks runs through the team does it not?

[brazen veldt]

Here’s my logic

W balloon treads ur fine BUT if they pop Tera ice then you can tera yourself to get around it, if they pop Tera grass weavile + torn revenges

Especially w av torn

[frail burrow]

yo ab shocks?

is that the move too

[brazen veldt]

Whatchu mean

[frail burrow]

also what tera for shocks

air balloon my b

[foggy swallow]

whats the team

[brazen veldt]

Oh nah I don’t think balloon shocks is that good tbh

[foggy swallow]

rn

[brazen veldt]

Just restructuring w weavile thinking this

[brazen veldt]

.

[foggy swallow]

yiou still lose to torn kinda

[brazen veldt]

Ya kinda but Weav shocks is as good as u can get no?

[frail burrow]

torn is so annoying

[foggy swallow]

rotom instead of slowking

then ur fine

[brazen veldt]

Yea washtom works

You get to pivot in Weav more easily on amoonguss that way too

[frail burrow]

https://pokepast.es/7bcd651dc9495736 ???

[foggy swallow]

you may have immediate power issues

[unique wren]

just wondering if this needs rating too

and if you want you can send me a improved version of my team

[brazen veldt]

You could mess w plot last slot rotom or cb Weav but ya like queenofbean said u do have immediate power issues

I think Slowking patched it up a little

Bc you get future sight for progress still

But play around w both

See how it is

[brazen veldt]

What is the goal w this team

Seems like a weird offense w random fat mons added

[unique wren]

uhh I guess make it a bit more defensive

[frail burrow]

band wouldnt be too good with the low attack stats on the team

[brazen veldt]

You don’t need to use beat up

But honestly

Don’t use cb

Sd boots is better

[foggy swallow]

i think the idea migth be to get rid of shocks for something else

[brazen veldt]

Might be

[brazen veldt]

Give me 5

[frail burrow]

maybe just dirge?

[foggy swallow]

woooo yeah skeledirge

taka ive got it covered probably

alrighty

[brazen veldt]

go for it ya

[foggy swallow]

meowsca works better than ogerpon here methinks

[brazen veldt]

agreed

[foggy swallow]

so far it really loses to tornadus though

maybe like rapid spin quaq bellibolt over mandibuzz

torn over shocks?

nvm

actually quaq meow dirge torn bellibolt treads could work

[brazen veldt]

that sounds lethal

you definitely need balloon treads there or shocks runs through / forces u to mess w meow hard ins

[foggy swallow]

your dirge set should be earthpower/shadow ball and terablast over wisp and hex

love tera dragon dirge though

av torn

boots meowsca

air balloon treads

the quaq set is fine but i would probably run tera electric and leftovers instead of lum berry, also brave bird over knock off methinks

[brazen veldt]

tbh you could probably make cb meow work here fine too though you lose out on spikes

but boots is great

[foggy swallow]

dirge switches into all the wispers pretty well

tbh c meowsca + sd bb quaq sounds good

cb

[brazen veldt]

ya

you lose out on spikes without being locked in but you do get cb sucker which isnt too bad for the HO mu especially paired w dirge mandi

[foggy swallow]

for bellibolt run this set

Bellibolt @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Volt Switch
• Muddy Water
• Toxic
• Slack Off

[foggy swallow]

normally it runs play rough

tera dragon dirge owns ho anyway so idt you need sucker

[unique wren]

hey, mind if you make me a improved version of my team

[foggy swallow]

i did give you

advice just now

read up a bit

[unique wren]

alr

actually I don't need a 2nd team

[brazen veldt]

breh

[foggy swallow]

._.

[brazen veldt]

well take the team qob sent anyways

its a free

[unique wren]

All I need is Sinistcha

[brazen veldt]

team

and good

[unique wren]

Matcha Gotcha and Stength Sap is goated

also uh, sorry if I waste your time

[unique wren]

Actually I change my mind
https://pokepast.es/88d9ec94e54ff62a

I do change my mind alot

[foggy swallow]

yeah but listen to what i said about brave bird quaq over knock off and the terablast + earth power/shadow ball over hex and wisp

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/32f95d1c7fb69f1e
late night cooking so i don't ask for much

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen veldt]

seems alright but this team is really slow (and also not sure if u want thundy here at all), i think the best way to go about is going a grass type on this build over thundy-t and then torn over mandi

you are stacking a lot of types which can be an issue w current build, and balloon treads / thundy kinda role overlap

https://pokepast.es/250be9e37430ab19

[unique wren]

i was thinking the same thing
but like mandi is a pretty good physical wall
idk if amoongus could fulfill the role

[brazen veldt]

is there any mon in particular you have issues with

that u need mandi for

torn / amoonguss cover what mandi does

[unique wren]

also wouldn't max speed torn be better

[unique wren]

i was about to say maushold then i realized amogus has rocky helmet

[brazen veldt]

maushold isnt relevant either

but ya thats not an issue

[brazen veldt]

you could go max speed torn for the torn mirror

theres no other benchmark thats just a personal thing

you can also do bleakwind > cane

[unique wren]

alrighty then

[brazen veldt]

i think the big thing here is that

i missed that u were calm rotom actually

hmm

you could go physdef there too for a better gapdos MU but the team seems okay

i'll suggest more stuff if u have issues later on

[unique wren]

could scarf hydreigon work here too

[brazen veldt]

err

i dont think so

you could try it but you prob need to restructure bc subplot drei is the main breaker for this team

esp vs amoonguss cores

[stone nacelle]

i made something kind of similar to that not too long ago while messing around but never got to try it as much as i wanted

https://pokepast.es/8fb0f0621cdf3490

[brazen veldt]

double dark is cool, though i think treads / weav/ drei is a core asking for trouble with okidogi

also shcoks weak

[stone nacelle]

yea totally shocks weak

[brazen veldt]

i'd make treads -> balloon

i think you can try spin on treads and go double spin but thats not rly important

big thing is that i'd drop hydrei for another breaker

/ wincon

you could try out sinistcha

[stone nacelle]

i wanted a breaker that would force dark resists in for weavile but i'm not so sure hydreigon actually accomplishes that in the sense that its checks are too different from weavile's

[brazen veldt]

ya i see the idea

i think drei's checks are more softchecks like av torn or just pivoting steels in

like treads

[stone nacelle]

yea

[brazen veldt]

i dont think weav cares too too much abt them

[unique wren]

okidogi is a pretty good wincon atm
just need to be careful for burns
pairs well with weav probably

[brazen veldt]

ya

sinistcha is pretty good at covering the fightings that stress this team out

double dark is doable but its v hard to use

well specifically

this double dark

[stone nacelle]

i wonder if band meow would work

[brazen veldt]

band meow works but not paired w weav imo

[stone nacelle]

hm

[brazen veldt]

like

i think meow breaks a lot of stuff

but that stuff isnt needed for weav

like meow gets past grass resists like random dragons / amoonguss etc

[stone nacelle]

my fear with sinistcha is that it might be a bit too passive... maybe something like band ogerpon?

[brazen veldt]

i dont think band ogerpon is good

if u want to do band meow

then i'd drop weavile

i just am not a fan of double dark like that

if u want double dark maybe go subplot drei

that guy actually beats a lot of the weav checks

[stone nacelle]

nah weavile is the one i am actually trying to keep around if anything

[brazen veldt]

kk

let me think

[stone nacelle]

the ideal mon to replace drei if anything would be something else that can also provide immediate pressure

[brazen veldt]

https://pokepast.es/e606bc5f1c258f89 think we can work fof of this

if you want immedaite pressure specifically

cb oki is fine ya

[unique wren]

how about scarf hydreigon
it has alot of strong moves that could pressure anything

[stone nacelle]

wouldnt that amplify my shocks weakness somewhat

scarf hyrei is too weak for what im trying to do with this slot

[brazen veldt]

ya a bit

[unique wren]

specs maybe

[brazen veldt]

i can patch it up with balloon treads but like

[stone nacelle]

whatever goes in this slot needs to be able to put out significant immediate pressure to handle other balance teams and stall

[brazen veldt]

generally thats why tehre are grasses on most teams

[stone nacelle]

yea

[brazen veldt]

imo ur fine vs balance teams / stall

with mola gone its much easier for weav to cleave through teams

[stone nacelle]

true

[brazen veldt]

i think u could

[stone nacelle]

ill prob try a few things in the hydreigon slot

[brazen veldt]

fit spikes somewhere probably

[stone nacelle]

tspikes weezing :3

[brazen veldt]

ya go for it

honestly i mean this 5 you got going

with balloon treads

is definitely very potent anyways

but you do get goobed by cb meow / hands / colbur tea to an extent

[stone nacelle]

ill probably at least try cb okidogi / cb meowscarada cause im not yet sold on cb meow being a bad idea

[brazen veldt]

cb meow is definitely good

try it out

i just think

weav and cb meow dont really break for each other

they're both independently v good breakers

if that makes sense

[stone nacelle]

yea it does

[brazen veldt]

but ya

options are like

sinistcha / dogi / harc even

lmk how everything u test feels

[stone nacelle]

a grass seems like the right choice for the slot if anything bc having the only water resist be rotom feels like a big nono

[brazen veldt]

ya

that was my big thing

imo torn's knock-turn cycle + weav + wisp being spread on this team really helps break fatter builds

if. u want u could do tera ground volcanion

but ig you have to be wary of shocks, tho ur proabbly fine w balloon treads / washtom / weav

since if its grass shocks weav owns / torn owns

and if its ice then ur fine anyways

[stone nacelle]

i also had another significantly less thought out team idea

https://pokepast.es/12796ede98836dd2

doesnt need an intensive rate because it hasn't even really been tested

just thinking about how to spread the items around

could be rocks or spikes shocks, could be band or boots harc, could be scarf or band or something else on meow, etc

[brazen veldt]

is it supposed to be tera blast electric thundy

[stone nacelle]

oop no dunno why that reset

it's supposed to be tera fly

[brazen veldt]

kk

um

ok first off

i think cb isnt needed on meow ya

i think the way i'd go about this is just doing:

treads > shocks

spikes overgrow boots meow over cb play rough

colbur slowking (probably slack over twave, idt dropping slack is super worth

[stone nacelle]

if im gonna run colbur on slowking wouldnt i want twave so i can cripple weavile

[brazen veldt]

i think you drop future sight for twave

[stone nacelle]

:o

[brazen veldt]

idt this team really needs it?

bc you have a bunch of lures for the posions anyways

so twave scald chilly slack seems ok

also i would not run specs thundy-t

boots seems rly good for this build

i'd make slowking physdef as well so u can pivot into treads / harc easier

[stone nacelle]

yea im gonna do that

i went spdef as a default but this meta is super phys heavy rn

[brazen veldt]

hmm

i think another path u could go

which may be even better

actually

this team is just bad vs weavile

[stone nacelle]

it is

[brazen veldt]

i feel like u want hands/okidogi over arc + treads over shocks

err

dogi + treads

https://pokepast.es/cf0bdc8d3638f734

you could also mess w cb meow + torn over boots meow + thudny

theres a lotta stuff taht can be messed w

[stone nacelle]

im probably gonna keep thundy because i am aiming with this team to make something VERY aggro

[brazen veldt]

sure

if you want to thundy then you may be able to go roost quaquval in the back too to help w weavile

especially since tera fly thundy takes out amoonguss / tea for quaquaval

so you can run sd roost stabs if u want

[stone nacelle]

i think i was worried about running slowking + quaqaval but it may not matter

[brazen veldt]

ya i mean maybe not on this build

just ideas you can mess w

[stone nacelle]

it does at least give me an idea of threats i need to watch out for

[brazen veldt]

mhm

[stone nacelle]

every team i build is weak to shocks lol

that mon is nasty

[brazen veldt]

eh idt its that bad

or like

in paper its wose

worse

[stone nacelle]

thats fair

[brazen veldt]

it has to tera to get past its checks

tera grass gets owned by weavile builds (insanely splashable mon) or torn (best mon in the tier)

tera ice just sucks defensively

[stone nacelle]

i kinda want to try sd quick attack tera normal scizor

[brazen veldt]

That set is fine on HO builds yea

You can prob pair it with screens or just treads ho

[versed verge]

https://pokepast.es/205aa6859afa0469 I have been liking bulky pivot offense teams and made this one but am not sure if my mons are good & what i should put for the last one? (also not sure if this is the right channel for this so if it isnt i apologize)

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/4b9ce78e573e6da6
Hey, just gonna let my team be rated again incase if there is further changes I can make to it.
If thats fine at all

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen veldt]

seems p okay

[foggy swallow]

Yeah that's not the right set for bulk up dogi

[brazen veldt]

Oh wait

There’s no poison move

[foggy swallow]

204 hp 32+ atk 252 spd 20 spe

And change taunt to gunk shot

Also leftovers over black sludge

Probably run psychic fangs actually

Instead of gunk

[unique wren]

I do actually need Taunt for those utility or setups mons like Clodsire or Will-O-Wispers.

but I'll hear you out and I will consider

[unique wren]

btw, is Icicle Crash or Ice Spinner better on weavile?

[foggy swallow]

idk

i use crash

some people swear by spinner

its prefrence

i really think you need psy fangs on dogi btw

its like your only check for opposing dogi

[unique wren]

you know, I think Slowking is the weakest link on my team

[unique wren]

is Rotom Wash a good replacement for it?

I feel like Washtom fits alot more on my team then Slowking

wait, what does Snow even do again

[brazen veldt]

The point isn’t snow

Chilly reception + future sight lets you pull off futureport shenanigans w ur breaker

[unique wren]

Tornadus is hot garbage
literally lost a game with bleakwind storm missing 1000 times, worst mon ever
/j

[foggy swallow]

yeah rotom works fine there

[unique wren]

I am actually just thinking of making a new team, the one I am currently using isn't working out for me

sorry if I am b'ing at all

[brazen veldt]

Eh it’s fine

sometimes it doesn’t feel great or not ur thing

[unique wren]

yeah, also should I go for a rain team (Easy to learn) or a balanced team again? (More simpler)

[brazen veldt]

Uh

Two completely diff things

You should prob try both

A good player can run a variety of team styles anyways

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-uu-sample-teams.3720278/post-9852813

Good rain team

[unique wren]

heres my rain team
https://pokepast.es/699ec55fb3743cda

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen veldt]

couple things

1. eject on amoonguss is quite good on rain

2. barra is generally better on these builds and drum azu is kinda mid on rain

3. specs torn/offensive torn is much better on rain, cane weather ball set instead of bleakwind heatwave

also

no hazards on this team

so you prob want to go like balloon treads over weavile

and give it rocks

or actually

drop azu and go treads

[unique wren]

I hate treads

it ugly

[brazen veldt]

well

its insanely good

[unique wren]

/j

[brazen veldt]

oh lol

https://pokepast.es/8a5b387acc1aee2f

this is what im thinking

oh also

i just noticed u have spatk on amoonguss for no reason

let me fix that

https://pokepast.es/2997a16bac622840

you can mess w grass knot on torn too over knock or turn but this seems pretty ok

[unique wren]

Wait who should I lead on the team

[brazen veldt]

pelipper

[unique wren]

alr

[brazen veldt]

if u see them anti lead with an electric type

depending on what it is you can go amoon / treads

torn lead can be annoying but honestly

https://pokepast.es/6acc8fd833ba5604

this is prob fine

[unique wren]

alr

[unique wren]

wait a minute
i just met this guy lmao
team seems to be doing well
or maybe it's bc my team is just weak to weather in general

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/2e59b2cd2b400484
Here's my balanced team now

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[late salmon]

https://pokepast.es/1c2163dd85d18226 rain team same as last guy lol

[lean monolith]

we don’t rate doubles teams here

[late salmon]

oh my ba

[lean monolith]

this is for singles uu only

don’t worry

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/47f63038ec051c4d
team dies to rain i need dire help

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @hybrid vapor, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unique wren]

and uhh i need a new wincon too
hydreigon does nothing like at all

[stone nacelle]

how does amoonguss rotom-w hydreigon die to rain

[unique wren]

banded barraskewda ignores my resists and kills anyways

[stone nacelle]

252+ Atk Choice Band Barraskewda Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 208+ Def Amoonguss in Rain: 156-184 (36.1 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

What?

[unique wren]

tera water too
or maybe because my plays were ass

[stone nacelle]

tera water will 2hko yeah but id personally argue that you can't really offset the pressure of the rain matchup by just swapping mons

it has a lot more to do with proactively positioning so the rain abusers can't get in

mainly with rotom

[unique wren]

still the issue of a not very good win con remains
hydreigon doesn't have alot of chance to switchin

[stone nacelle]

part of it though imo is that the team doesn't have much immediate pressure which is why I used specs on my own similar team

[unique wren]

using specs can do yeah
but like one wrong play and i'm finished

[low kernel]

• HDB on Scizor
• Play Timid > Hasty on Tornadus-T

I don't understand how you struggle vs rain tbh

Rotom-W + Guss def is enough

The issue may be somewhere else

[unique wren]

maybe my plays are just ass

[low kernel]

Idk but you should be able to trade af with a team like that

Like you have tect rotom, rh guss

[unique wren]

also why timid tho

[low kernel]

That's some insane answers

Koff and uturn are not there for damages

Anyway

You don't want to be less bulky

Just to do 5-7% more with your av pivot

[unique wren]

oh wait i forgot timid is +speed
thought it was +spatk

[low kernel]

Not worth it at all imo

Ye timid

Is +spe -atk

But ye you may try to play in a different way when facing rain

Hydreigon looks like a pretty cool lead

Even tho i would go dark pulse > dm

If you want a hard answer then just go gastrodon or something like water absorb + tera elec clodsire

But tbh with the changes applied in my message above this should be enough

Maybe replace stone edge on treads

For ice spinner

[unique wren]

i don't use hydreigon as a lead tbh
he's the wincon but not a very good one at that

[low kernel]

Dent dragons, torna, thundy, guss

Good middle ground vs sandy shocks

[low kernel]

Ye but vs rain it's god damn lead

Lead isnt fix

Especially in non ho team

You're supposed to lead with what could be good vs oppo team

And vs rain hydreigon is great

Forces a lead barraskewda to cc so free hard guss

[unique wren]

should i use specs for instant damage maybe
gives me more choices to use as lead

[low kernel]

Pressure pelipper also

Tbh sub np lefties

Is fine af

Especially vs rain with guss

Cuz you can sub on it

And stall even more rain turn

0 Atk Pelipper U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 66-78 (20.3 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

Like you can even sub on pelipper lead

Trust me, you're 6 mon are good enough vs rain

[unique wren]

i didn't expect a team made in 5 minutes to be decent honestly

[low kernel]

Tbh there is only few adjust to make imo

The 6 works fine

Could adjust teras on some mon

Like water on guss

Electric on torn

Could try out steel or scizor

[unique wren]

i just did that

[low kernel]

Too

Good call

Elec is the best tera for torn

[unique wren]

i don't want burn to cripple it

[low kernel]

Ye ik but burn isnt that common atm like motcha guys and some rare wow users

Moltres isnt that common either

Up to you

Both are fine

[unique wren]

eh i still want to play it safe
that should be it

[lean monolith]

oricorio, especially the fire one, is not viable in current meta. you are forced to tera against dirge everytime, and is mainly outclassed by skeledirge as well. earth power dirge deos the same i'd switch empo for slowking and mamo for sandy shocks, cause you get a lot of momentum for conk. meow can just be standard boots spikes

sorry for taking so long to rate

[wicked lynx]

https://pokepast.es/d07fd756b482d792 this team was really good but also lost a lot of the time so how can I improve it

[unique wren]

you could reduce leaves attack evs so booster increases speed
and replace trailblaze with leaf blade maybe

[lean monolith]

booster attack is better because it ignores unaware

so you can 2hko a dirge from 80

[delicate cedar]

https://pokepast.es/182ea0fabb19186c

I feel like this team has been over performing so far in Showdown and want some input before I grind to make it in-game.

Should I pivot Skeledirge to be more defensive maybe? Maybe more SpA on Salemence as well? I'm not too familiar with the meta or SV yet

[brazen veldt]

this teams looks like it would be HO especially w sash infernape lead

dd daunt is pretty bad atm, would rather use sd quaquaval

dirge doesnt fit on these sorts of teams either imo

and scarf gar is kind of a bandaid patch unless u have dbond or smth for a reason

instead of just 4a

cyclizar definitely does nothing for htis build i think

would prob do dd mence, sd qqval, nape, gengar, shocks, cress

[delicate cedar]

What is HO? Sorry, I haven't played comp since gen V so I'm rusty on terms 😅

[brazen veldt]

np

hyper offense

when ur stacking offensive threats to break

[delicate cedar]

Ohhh yeah it is, didn't mean to at first was just slapping together some mons I like best in the tier and it turned into this

I like your thoughts I'll look at incorporating them, I haven't used Sandy Shocks yet so that's Def something more fun to prioritize using especially

[pliant stratus]

https://pokepast.es/181e5c893b3381d7 (this is my first team)

[proven parrot]

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[unique wren]

harc is a more offense oriented mon so idk if running rocks is good
and uh don't run sash cloyster
use white herb or just ditch him completely

[pliant stratus]

Actually, I’ve run the two multiple times, and Sash works better than Herb

[unique wren]

i'm not a rater anyways so you do you

[brazen veldt]

@pliant stratus whats the main idea of the team

[pliant stratus]

Uh. To kill stuff

[brazen veldt]

ok this seems like standard ho

cloys not great rn

big things i'd change

[pliant stratus]

I’m using Cloyster: I’m gonna say this, no Cloyster, no team

[brazen veldt]

then we can rework

ngl goodra meow maus are the real issues

those 3 are not good on screens stuff

probably leaves -> meow, luna over goodra

maus dropped for sicz

i hink

[pliant stratus]

Luna?

[brazen veldt]

ursaluna

[oak silo]

https://pokepast.es/5c60b2cd43c933cd

Random Grab bag team that ended up coming together from no particular idea due to little prior experience.
I quite like Specs Torn, and it ended up being what the team centered around, so I'd like to keep that if possible, anything else is fair game.

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[lean monolith]

the team on paper is alright it’s just the sets that would need some fixing

like putting poison jab on okidogi

and probably psychic fangs > knock for opposing mirrors

Tera electric would be fine as well

[oak silo]

rn it gets Sub up on Gweezing Steam, and outspeeds Adamant Ttar if those are good benchmarks.

also what makes Tera Electric better than Steel rn?

[lean monolith]

flying resist that’s not weak to fighting

you could run grass knot > knock on specs torn to nail gastro

cause locking into knock with a specs Mon is not ideal

[oak silo]

https://pokepast.es/3d11887566fdd2f3
would that be all?

[lean monolith]

not sure about sciz on this

spikes meow is a fine pivot to replace

also ice spinner > volt on treads

also if you have psychic fangs on dogi you can just break through with out sub

so bu, pjab, drain punch, and psychic fangs

[foggy swallow]

Seems bad

[oak silo]

Pretty sure 3A just gets Wisped before it can break through

which like yeah you get through Gweez, but now you're probably not doing much else the rest of the game.

Poison Jab I think might free up Guard Dog though which is neat for Mence.

[pure hearth]

https://pokepast.es/fbb4770f34e9c554 here is a team that i've had mild success with but I feel like it could be improved

I don't find myself using iron treads or iron hands super often but i don't know what could be improved about them

[distant ridge]

https://pokepast.es/408b3366a899e790

[proven parrot]

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[low kernel]

Could you explain what you were trying to make while building the team ? So I can provide better insights. Most sets in your team are not that great so would you mind to provide some feedback about your thoughts process

[distant ridge]

I was thinking of a pretty offensive team with hazards

Should I make Tink Sr T-Wave encore and knock?

And Scizor boots or live or?

*orb

[low kernel]

If you're willing to go on a pretty offensive team then I'll adjust the following

• Replace Tinkaton with Iron Treads, it's a way better Pokémon : faster, stronger, access to Rapid Spin and can act as a Suicide Lead if needed

• Use the regular Sinistcha set (basically defensive setup with colbur + strenght sap + 2 atk)

• Go SD 3 atk Quaquaval (since you'll have Iron Treads for Spin). You could also Scarf but since you have Scarf gapdos for this, it's not needed

• Probably use SD U-turn Scizor with Boots

https://pokepast.es/95e1f90d7fd37760

You could go on a more defensive side by switching Quaquaval for Slowking (which works well alongside Zapdos-Galar) or even Milotic which brings a way to handle things like CM Enamorus-Therian and CM Cress thanks to Haze. Those two water types would be also useful vs Tornadus-T which is pretty dangerous vs your team.

Slowking @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Slack Off
• Chilly Reception
• Scald
• Future Sight

Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
Tera Type: Fairy / Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 164 Def / 96 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Recover
• Haze
• Scald
• Mirror Coat

Feel free to ping me if you have more question !

PS : You can run more bulk on Scizor if you want too

if you want to cripple smth specific

check out the SV UU Speedlist

it just got updated

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-uu-speedlist-update-15-11-2023.3714294/

[fervent arch]

Hello there,just recently started comp and OU is kinda boring rn. Since some of my favs are in UU i wanted to try to build a team with them(Mienshao and Jirachi),but im kinda trash at teambuilding https://pokepast.es/17644d2ed1ccb07e i'll take any advice ^^

[proven parrot]

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[fervent arch]

btw i wanted heatran in 6th slot be he is no longer in uu 😦

[keen needle]

https://pokepast.es/d3f648428df87a19

Tried doing screens hyper offense

[proven parrot]

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[low kernel]

I would replace Leftovers for the Focus Sash or the Energy Booster on Iron Treads. It allows it to be an even better suicide lead. Also Steal Beam can be useful in order to act as a Suicide Lead and prevent a Rapid Spin / Defog from the opponent.
I would also replace Flamethrower on Hydreigon for Substitute and Dragon Dance for Swords Dance on Haxorus (you put Timid nature too but this must be a small mistake, Jolly is the way). Alongside Swords Dance, slot in Scale Shot instead of Dragon Claw (you can pair it with the Loaded Dice but Lum Berry is fine too, even with Scale Shot). You could also try out Tera Steel > Tera Ground (Flying-type resistance but also a great way to take on priorities such as Bullet Punch from Scizor or Ice Shard from Weavile). Tera Electric is also probably better on Quaquaval (it's one of the current best tera types in UU due to threats such as Tornadus-T / Thundy-T or Sandy Shock. Being able to handle Electric/Flying types attacks is great.

[keen needle]

something like this? (i didnt want to activate the bot)

everything else is fine right?

[low kernel]

Iron Treads @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Rapid Spin
• Earthquake
• Steel Beam

for Iron Treads

Also don't forget Jolly > Timid on Haxorus

otherwise this should be fine

[keen needle]

alr thanks

[teal quail]

https://pokepast.es/68a47e993e30a348

[proven parrot]

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[teal quail]

New to UU, building a team for a tournament I'm in. Give your thoughts if you'd like!

[low kernel]

What were you trying to achieve whil being the team ? What is the thoughts process ?

[unique wren]

that jirachi set is the most cursed thing i've seen today

[teal quail]

I wanted it to be a bulky yet offensive team

[teal quail]

It's based off the smogon set

I have really no idea what the UU meta is

[low kernel]

Alright so

• Your Enamorus-T set isn't viable tbh, the following would work much better

Enamorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
Tera Type: Poison / Steel / Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 124 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Iron Defense
• Calm Mind
• Draining Kiss
• Earth Power

• If playing Jirachi, you should opt for smth like this

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 160 SpD / 96 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Wish
• Protect
• U-turn
• Iron Head

the lack of Rapid Spin users is kinda tough too, so I would advise you to opt for Rapid Spin + Iron Treads

You could also replace MMQ for another ghost type if you're playing hazard stacking but in this case, Sinistcha is the best due to its bulk + typing + strenght sap

but double grass is kinda messy so replacing Meow with Sandy Shock would be good

this would bring a ground-type to the team and a decent check to Tornadus-T and would allow you if needed to change gastrodon for smth else

Rock H-Arcanine could be decent, Empoleon would be nice too since it's a good answer to Tornadus-T thanks to Roost. You could even opt for Spin + SR on Treads and just pack another Water-type on Gastrodon.

Slowking/Milotic or Quaquaval if you want smth more offensive (even tho this might look redundant alongside sd hands)

team would be slower but bulkier overall

could always slot in Tornadus-T for your last slot

[low kernel]

it's basically the best anti-spinner vs iron Treads which is the best spinner bar far in the tier and the most used mon in UU

[teal quail]

I see! Thanks so much :D

[teal quail]

I should say, the tournament is on a Minecraft server of all things in a mod called "pixelmon", and currently u-turn is bugged and does no damage. Should I keep U-turn on Jirachi knowing it does no damage?

[teal quail]

I like the idea of playing Jirachi, but yeah I do think that treads is needed on my team. I played around with treads a bit but couldn't figure out if I should keep it or not. I tried hisuian arc, but I found it to be too frail for my liking, especially against ground and water types. What kind of set should I run for empoleon? I considered Quaquaval but it doesn't really fit my playstyle all too much

Another thing, because of the unique circumstances of it being in a Minecraft mod (everything is still identical to how pokemon works), it's basically impossible to obtain HA Sinistcha, like how it is in the games (as far as I know), so it wouldn't have Heatproof, and it's non-HA is useless for singles.

Also, I completely forgot to mention. Tera won't be used. That's probably a big thing I should've mentioned! I only had tera types in my pokepaste because I didn't want to be at a disadvantage when using it on the ladder.

[low kernel]

Ah it's on minecraft

no idea how it works

[teal quail]

It's all the same mechanics as normal play

[low kernel]

mhhhh

maybe body slam then

for para

[teal quail]

I've been using the team for a bit and I feel like gastrodon is underperforming, maybe I should invest more into spa?

I find that I need to use gas more for ice beam and earth power than I do stealth rock, but I feel like I still need stealth rock

also, I think I need a check to iron leaves

[low kernel]

Gastrodon isnt supposed to do a lot of damages, it's a defensive pivot

And a way to block volt turn

You shouldnt expect it to do a lot of damages

Depending on the set uturn jirachi can somewhat check Iron Leaves but since uturn is bugged on your minecraft thingy it's eh

What the team looking likes rn ?

[teal quail]

here's what i'm testing https://pokepast.es/5c5cea19519c3753

[proven parrot]

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[teal quail]

I'm not expecting it to do a lot of damage but I would like it to do a bit more when it needs to do damage

[low kernel]

Trully think full hp spd is better

also wrong ability on sinistch

heatproof all the way

[teal quail]

Sadly heatproof isn't obtainable in what i'm playing in

it's basically all that is obtainable in s&v

[brazen veldt]

wdym

[teal quail]

I'm playing in a tournament in "pixelmon" which is a Minecraft mod. It's basically a copy & paste of S&Vs mechanics but there is some bugs like U-Turn not doing damage, and the fact that Sinistacha's HA is unobtainable as of now

[teal quail]

Should I put clear smog on it?

I'm having trouble against calm mind spammers such as Sylveon

[low kernel]

mhhhhhh, maybe opt for iron head > ice spinner on treads

[teal quail]

alr

[low kernel]

Since you told me tera wasn't a thing on minecraft thingy, av treads should always 1v1 cm sylveon

like hard

[mental fable]

https://pokepast.es/59df9d46dfa82487
what should I change with this HO/BO team

[proven parrot]

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[unique wren]

that's...a lot of choice items
conk set is not very ideal i recommend the guts flame orb set on the forums

[brazen veldt]

4 punch conk😭 🔥

[brazen veldt]

if u want smth similar i'd suggest dropping chandy, gengar, conk

they dont rly fit on these ho teams

go a spikes/rocker lead

like treads/shocks

then go smth like sciz who pairs well / moltres-g

that should be good

also taunt maus tera fire

lo tea isnt great either

https://pokepast.es/90c6407cc93f5e56

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/c9b8ac8740e08db6
my best response into sun rn is slowking so idk what to replace here

[brazen veldt]

hm

i thikn this might be ok into rain anyways'

just go water treads or smth

it hsould be fine otherwise, but i'd say phys slowking too

https://pokepast.es/0c380bb25932ab52

i mean

sun

not rain

[unique wren]

also question why do you pick 248 hp
wouldn't 252 be better

[brazen veldt]

248 preferred on everything bc you want odd hp for hazard chip

if u get knocked or lose ur item somehow

the difference w the ev is minimal anwyays

[unique wren]

oh ok

is that everything that needs to be changed

[brazen veldt]

hmm

its like fine i thik

not sure

but it hsouldnt be a huge issue vs most stuff

sun is major cheese tho

so idk

[unique wren]

i might fold to some setup cheese like cress but hey not many use it so i shouldn't be worried

[torpid locust]

Aight. Opinions?

https://pokepast.es/9e8b8957c0374d2b

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[torpid locust]

Still labbing it a bit, but it’s been surprisingly good for me so far

[low kernel]

Ehhhhhh

Need some explanations for the build process

Because half of the team is using

Pokemon which are not viable in UU

[torpid locust]

That’s KINDA the point

For me at least

Is taking Pokémon that make people go “wtf is this guy doing” and somehow winning

[low kernel]

Well it's tough for us to give advise

[torpid locust]

Fair

[low kernel]

Because we're basing our rates

On how efficient and meta the team is

I mean using 1-2 underwhelming pokemon can be understand

I'll try to give advise when I'll be home

Feel free to explain how you made / why you made the team / add X or Y mon

[torpid locust]

Arboliva is my Special Wall/Vampire. An absolute pain in the ass to get off the field.
Electrode is my “expendable” speed control
Hippodown does a lot. They break sash, they’re my physical wall, hazard setter, setup stopper.
Arcanine is my beater. That’s really about it. Hits fast and decently hard.
Cyclizar is hazard clearing/knock off.
Inteleon is a placeholder. I’m still figuring the last one out.

[unique wren]

for hazard clearing you can just use treads since cyclizar is just ass rn
also pairs well with sand

[torpid locust]

cough

[unique wren]

if your main goal is to have fun then yeah use cyclizar
but you've posted on rmt so i assume you want to win

[torpid locust]

kinda?

i was mostly curious on what people thought

to be honest

[low kernel]

To be frankly honest :

• There is 2 viable Pokémon in your team which are Hippowdon and Arcanine-H. Hippowdon set isn't great either ; Leftovers or Rocky Helmet or Heavy-Duty Boots would be much better than the berry. I could also opt for a mixed spread.
• Cyclizar is really really meh in the current metagame and should never be played with Substitute (what is the point on that set ?). AV / HDB variants with a lot of bulk are kinda needed.
• Arboliva / Electrode and Inteleon are making 0 sense. Even the sets are quite random. Inteleon is bad but if ya wanna use it, just go Choice Specs Special. Electrode / Arboliva can't do anything for ya, I don't even know what type of niche they could fil. Wanna have some speed control ? Just use a Choice Scarf users such as Zapdos-Galar, Rotom-Wash, Meowscarada or even Sandy Shocks, they will be dozen time better and useful. Wanna use a defensive Grass-type ? Then run either Amoonguss or Sinistcha..

[torpid locust]

Fair.

I run Arboliva mostly because they’re unexpected

And surprisingly Tanky

I’ve walled some heavy hitting mons with em

Inteleon is a placeholder. Still trying to figure out my final member

@low kernel what would a mixed spread entail on hippodown

[low kernel]

mhhhh the one on Smogon is an old one, so I would say it's up to you. Look at what your team and think about what you would want to handle in a better way 🙂 any special threat annoying, just adjust the spd spread

[dull igloo]

https://pokepast.es/249c577adb009114
any improvements I could make?

[timber rock]

Is ogerpon in UU?

[stone nacelle]

Yea

[deep lily]

Teal mask is yeah

[timber rock]

Wild

[dull igloo]

as in wildly good?

[versed solar]

it’s only the 4th best grass type in the tier

[low kernel]

depend from which perspective you lookin at

each grass-type fill a specific role

guss, sinistcha, meow and ogerpon

doesn't have the same role and value

thus are not equivalent

[low kernel]

SD Ogerpon is pretty great

dangerous late game sweeper

or mid game breaker

[versed solar]

oh i forgot about amoonguss

5th best in the tier

i think iron leaves is better

[low kernel]

Use Weather Ball 100 pwoer / 100 accuracy is really great. Replace Tera Blast for U-turn

[low kernel]

well ogerpon distinguish itself thanks to encore + better speed + nukes way harder on the grass type

[stone nacelle]

ogerpon is being hardcore slept on

[versed solar]

so is leaves tho

[stone nacelle]

it's incredibly useful like every game

[versed solar]

i think being able to boost your speed without having to tera is super valuable

[stone nacelle]

it's not really a comparison at all

leaves sits in back and goes for a sweep using booster energy once, ogerpon abuses its power and moveset to pivot the entire game

they just aren't overlapping roles much at all

[versed solar]

ik i just think leaves is better overall

oger is competing with meow

which is hard

[low kernel]

people should not compare ever those two

they don't have anything in common

like at all

[versed solar]

how

yeah they’re different but theyre close enough

2 mons don’t need to do the exact same thing to be able to compare them

[low kernel]

why are they close ?

[stone nacelle]

I can't help but feel like using gyarados as the only rain abuser is a bit too slow for this gen

barraskewda gets going WAY faster, and if power is a concern basculegion-f is arguably going to get more value out of the available rain turns

[dull igloo]

That definitely helps

[versed solar]

they're both fast grass types with access to knock, u-turn, spikes, encore/taunt

the pivot sets play differently

similarly

[low kernel]

well, ogerpon rarely run knock while meow never run taunt

[stone nacelle]

ogerpon is a lot faster and acts as a wallbreaker while meowscarada largely uses the turns it generates to either pivot or get up spikes against offensive threats it can leverage its speed against

theyre looking down different mons

[dull igloo]

I'm not really using him as a rain abuser tbh, pelipper is the rain sweeper

people don't expect it as much because Gyarados is on the team

[versed solar]

but they're not entirely different

[stone nacelle]

more importantly ogerpon has some very powerful calcs it can leverage over the other offensive grasses in the tier, like how band can 2hko tornadus with cudgel on the switchin

[versed solar]

you can compare them

[stone nacelle]

it's not to be randomly slapped around, granted, but iron leaves is almost certainly considerably worse

iron leaves takes a LOT of help before it does anything

it's got bad matchups against a significant portion of the meta

it can only come in once and still be effective

[versed solar]

but it also has a ton of good matchups

leaf blade plus psyblade plus cc hits a lot of the meta

[stone nacelle]

it has a better matchup against weezing and amoonguss than the average grass

i don't know if that's enough on it's own to make up for the significant downsides in using a grass that is not able to proactively be used against shocks

generally it isn't

maybe on specific HO builds

[stone nacelle]

i've seen some advocating for specs pelipper so i know not to dismiss it out of hand, but i think the fact that it is specs only strengthens the argument for an abuser that is online faster

[versed solar]

sorry for derailing the conversation

[brazen veldt]

specs is fine but this team doesnt really have much synergy or breaking power

even with pelipper

i can tell its suposed to be HO

i'd just drop pelipper for a breaker water like qqval

make gyara taunt tera blast overeq ice fang

make ogerpon sd instead w zen headbutt LO probably

proabbly want sciz over lokix here?

[dull igloo]

lokix is my win condition

[brazen veldt]

That shit ain’t winning jack on this team with boots

[teal quail]

Should I add Acid Armor to Gastrodon? I keep encountering many phyisical attackers that I could beat if I just had more defence

[torpid locust]

thanks mate

[opaque grove]

https://pokepast.es/65bae437a4cd91b9

Screens, spin and support
Viable?

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[foggy swallow]

no

[low kernel]

It's not viable, if you're going Screens path, you're all in on the offensive side, no Defog, no Choice Band on Weavile (SD is the play), Rotom-Wash as a pivot isn't useful either, the purpose of those team is to break as fast as possible the opponent's team. With that in mind, smth like Conkeldurr isn't great and it's widly outclass by SD Iron hands or Bulk Up Okidogi

[teal quail]

ttps://pokepast.es/27303ec7ff54399 removed the h in https so it doesn't ping any1, just add the h in the search bar. I'm on the final stages of this team and I need some final opinions. It's for a tournament in a video game and the only notable things to note is that there is no tera, u-turn / volt switch does no damage, and Sinistcha's HA is unobtainable.

[foggy swallow]

404 page not found

[teal quail]

odd

[brazen veldt]

can u ss and send

[brazen veldt]

??? insane voltturn rule

[teal quail]

it does no damage because of a bug atm

1 sec lemme re-paste it

h ttps://pokepast.es/1dba75ef7545a0d1

[brazen veldt]

ok

this is structured like an HO

i would drop treads and gastro

you generally want something like sciz and a dark on ho to take advantage of hands/enam checks

[brazen veldt]

also

u said tea's ha is unobtainable

so theres no point. in using it

https://pokepast.es/bd905b6f6cba0826

this seems better

[lean monolith]

quad punch is crazy

why isn’t it sd?

[teal quail]

I used sd for a while but found fire punch to be more useful for that team

[teal quail]

I see, thanks a ton!

[lean monolith]

what do you hit with fire punch that you don’t with the other 3 moves?

[teal quail]

Bug types, Jirachi, Lokix, Scizor, and some others

It's also about the unpredictability, they see I have thunder punch & ice punch, safe for them to assume I have drain punch, they expect swords dance & switch into a mon like jirachi

[lean monolith]

well if you’re planning to Tera iron hands you’ll beat jirachi always with drain punch

• kix and sciz don’t beat it

[brazen veldt]

Oh what

It was quad punch???

Yo ya just run sd without fire punch

I saw the three punches after and assumed sd

[teal quail]

can't use tera in the tour i'm in

tera types are only set so I'm not at too much of a disadvantage on the ladder when testing

[teal quail]

.

[low kernel]

I definitively think smth like EQ > Fire Punch would be better if ya wanna go the AoA path but even then, SD 3 atk is the best Iron Hands set rn

with either Ice Punch or EQ as the last filler

[frail burrow]

https://pokepast.es/2f08df5c2351f0a9

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @hybrid vapor, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[twilit harbor]

https://pokepast.es/681887ce834d3db4

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @hybrid vapor, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low kernel]

Team looks good to be honest, I don't think there is any major issues. could try Heavy-Duty Boots or Air Balloon on Iron Treads

but otherwise team looks fine

also Bleakwind Storm > Hurricane on AV torn I would say

[low kernel]

Pretty much the same as above, team looks fine. I would personally run Tera Steel on SD Scizor

Also Air Balloon / HDB probably better than Leftovers

[versed solar]

you could consider dropping knock on scizor for cc

you have 3 other mons with knock

and every other team member can hit dirge super effectively

[twilit harbor]

What could I drop to deal with shitloom better?

Also I feel like arcanine is kinda useless

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/5c19f1cfdf4585e3
i was thinking about swapping shocks for treads

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @hybrid vapor, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[karmic lark]

Interesting idea. I’ve always wanted to try out screens with the purpose of being more defensive in the metagame but it really is as they say hard to manage both. If you were adamant on trying, I would recommend trying to go with more status spread mons with grimmsnarl. Pokémon like clodsire, skeledirge, and maybe even sinistcha can work somewhat well with spreading hazards/status while making use of the bulk given from screens

[opaque grove]

That was a week ago, I’d already given up on the idea I’ll be honest lmao

[karmic lark]

Oh

Lmao

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/af5940a22f414cda
ignore the previous team i posted

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen veldt]

Why double scarf

Tbh I think boots or cb harc is all I would rly change

[unique wren]

wait what
that's all?

[brazen veldt]

It’s a fine team ya

Well

Maybe heat wave Tera electric tornado

And dragon / fire Sciz

[fluid zinc]

https://pokepast.es/5aff54b85a918fcf

How is this team?

[barren anvil]

https://pokepast.es/f1f223a151a0e5fa

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[barren anvil]

this is my first time building HO on UU

i wanted to use leaves but i'm willing to drop worst case scenario

just wanna keep the screens concept

(please tell me it's not too shit 😭)

(memeing, be honest lol)

[unique wren]

a voltturn core can shutdown quite alot of your threats
scizor forces a9t to either tera or switch
both sucks tbh
and rotom can just spam wisp to cripple quaquaval can scizor
leaves can kill rotom but one wrong predict and it's all gone

basically you need something to counter voltturn or you're done for @barren anvil

or you can just ignore my advices lmao i ain't no team rater

[barren anvil]

Thats
Something

Its my first time anyway ty tho

No idea what to do abt it tho lmao lemme see with a rater

Amog

[unique wren]

i'm pretty sure the actual raters will give better advices than this

[brazen veldt]

Team is fine tho I’d probably swap shocks for treads, torn for gmolt

Also

Ideally you want iron hands here

Over something bc that mon is broken

Up to you if u wanna drop shocks for it tho

You could drop qqval for it tbh

Hands gmolt Sciz is the most standard broken HO core I think

For leaves

I’d rather use speed boosting Tera electric rn

No dirge means speed for torn feels important

[barren anvil]

i'm back

gotcha

[barren anvil]

in what mon? (edit: leaves, noted)

also what treads set because there isn't a suicide lead treads set in smogdex lol!

is it the booster energy one i'm assuming

what tera type/tera blast vs hurricane for gmolt and what tera type for hands?

[brazen veldt]

Yes

[brazen veldt]

Tera dark no blast Tera dark gmolt

Sitrus double dance cane fiery

[barren anvil]

ok lol

sitrus over boots?

[brazen veldt]

Ya

You aren’t letting rocks go up w treads lead + pressure anyways

[barren anvil]

fair lol

[brazen veldt]

For hands it’s a bit more shaky since the Tera’s it had before were for dirge but

I think you can run fire to good success still

Or even fairy idk

[barren anvil]

fair

[brazen veldt]

Prob fire for moltres

[barren anvil]

was doing flying so far but thats fine

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @hybrid vapor, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jagged cairn]

@trim snow https://pokepast.es/2ed38d6826a49e49

[barren anvil]

https://pokepast.es/6d1dc34e2bf2265b

Me and @unique wren's balance

Note: i am not experienced with building balance, but we tried

Hands set is provisory because we werent completely sure on it, but so is most of the team lol!

@low kernel youre the only online rater and chatot aint pinging so amog

(If it did, it didnt for me lol)

[low kernel]

mhhhh..

[low kernel]

I think Moonblast > Mystical Fire on Offensive variants of Enamorus-T. If you wanna do smth more defensive, opt for smth like that

Enamorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 132 Def / 128 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Iron Defense
• Calm Mind
• Draining Kiss
• Earth Power

[barren anvil]

Ait

@unique wren join up btw

[low kernel]

I would probably also opt for a different spread on hippowdon (smth with some spe def), you still take a shit ton of hits on the physical side

not sure about the exact spread tho

[unique wren]

i kinda want enam to be a second win con

[low kernel]

i've not playing that bad boy since a while

[low kernel]

double dance is a insane win con

[barren anvil]

Yeah double dance is deceptively strong i heard

After you get the checks hurt

[barren anvil]

Might check smogon for that

Anything else? Also wb hands set lol

[low kernel]

also this is the standard spread for slowking

EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD
Sassy Nature

don't remember what for

but being able to handle hits from torn

[barren anvil]

Fair

[low kernel]

is definitively great

and you still takes hits from physical threats, even ones under rain

and you're overall a better mixed pivot

teams look fine otherwise, could try tera electric on np torn or even boots variants with taunt. AV probably fits too but it's more passive.

I would also run Knock Off on treads

somewhere

because 0 koff is rough

[barren anvil]

Yeah i thought of av but eventually opted for np

As for knock

Maybe over ihead BC thats just to fuck with alolatales

[low kernel]

ye, or volt switch

[barren anvil]

But knock already halves it anyway

[low kernel]

to be fair volt is kinda iffy

[barren anvil]

Or switch yeah

[low kernel]

i think iron hands is a decent filler

[barren anvil]

Ig because we only have 2 pivots anyway

[low kernel]

ice spinner great too

to hit hydreigon, torn/thundy etc

[barren anvil]

Wdym ice spinner

[barren anvil]

Doesnt hands already threaten all these

But fair

[low kernel]

on treads

[low kernel]

it does, but it's also a good tool

Spin/EQ/Koff and then filler such as Iron Head or Ice Spinner

just try on your own

and see what feels the best

really up to preference

[unique wren]

i don't run volt on treads that much
but i do run stone edge alot
that extra power kills alot more thing than ice spinner

[low kernel]

it's decent, but tough, especially when you miss

😦

[unique wren]

so uhh how should i ev spread hippo

[barren anvil]

Back only now but

Thanks

Ill check for hippo spread but other than that ty lmao!

[barren anvil]

Smogdex says 76+ defense with 180 spdef

Like 76 impish

But thats like

Old lmao!

[distant ridge]

https://pokepast.es/e5bd5383e38e4057 How is this Bulky offense/offense team buit around sylveon?

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low kernel]

could you detail the build process / spreads ?

[distant ridge]

So for the Sylveon I wanted it to 2 hit KO goltres behind veil at plus one

And the iron treads can ohko a-tales with iron head

Slowking is there for T-Wave support and pivoting

Choice band scicor for imidate power

Treads for speed control, hazard setting+removing

Im not sure about sandy shocks

But being immune to ground and being an offensive spiker isnt to bad for the team

[unique wren]

you could replace shocks with meow
and make treads air balloon instead
to pressure a9t you have scizor already
meow does the same thing as shocks but better:spikes,good against ground types,very fast

[distant ridge]

Sounds good

[unique wren]

hey don't really take my words as real advice
i'm just a 1300 who pretends to be a smartass

[low kernel]

Those advices are not bad tbh

[low kernel]

I would also change Volcanion set for smth more standard

Volcanion @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Taunt / Sludge Bomb
• Flamethrower
• Steam Eruption
• Earth Power

I would personally opt for a more defensive spread on Sylveon

cuz you really want it to eat some hits

Sylveon @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 204 Def / 56 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Wish
• Protect
• Calm Mind
• Hyper Voice

(Tera-Steel works too)

EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe
Adamant Nature

can use this spread

on Scizor

outspeed Adamant Azumarill

which is always useful

feel free to ask for more details

[distant ridge]

Thanks

[distant ridge]

Could scarf Hydreigon work in the last slot?

Instead of meow

[low kernel]

Mhhhhh it could ye but you need to take into account its slower than other scarf such as gapdos

And it does a lot of check (some might say it lacks raw power)

• with tales-a in the tier it may be iffy to lock yourself into dm

Or pulse

[celest parrot]

pokepast.es/746095edbbecd
Offense UU team with some defense backbone, need a consistent ground answer that can provide more support against other offense, the member I removed was Scarf Kleavor.

Hold on mb

https://pokepast.es/99c746095edbbecd

[proven parrot]

New UU RMT @wispy peak, @trim snow, @low kernel, @lean monolith, @foggy swallow, @brazen veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest parrot]

@trim snow

[low kernel]

Hey !
The double Water-types is kinda odd. Also you may want to try Azumarill which is better than Crawdaunt (Choice Band / AV variants). As a spinnner you could try Iron Treads (Heavy-Duty Boots or Air Balloon). Spin + 3 atk is great.
For your last and great answer to Ground-type, I think Tornadus-T would fit perfectly. Really solid mon thanks to Flying-types + Regenerator. HDB or AV variants would work

[celest parrot]

Thanks

Is the Bellibolt fine? @low kernel

I like it's static utility

Great Jirachi punish

[low kernel]

Ye bellibolt is a great mon

To punish uturn

I think av variant on torn would be best

To take special hits