UU Rates

[wispy peak]

Ability: Quark Drive  
Tera Type: Dark  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe  
Naive Nature  
- Knock Off  
- U-turn  
- Hurricane  
- Taunt  

yea this set

[sullen basin]

when did uu rates become uu vr

bonkers

@hybrid vapor flop

[peak wasp]

Floatzal going from a Nuclear Bomb to a coughing baby

[hybrid vapor]

...

idl max attack jugs personally

the only thing i feel that lets you pressure more is bramble and even then you just click hurricane/coverage move vs switchins

[low kernel]

feel free to ping me if you wanna tell me more about your teambuilding process @icy fulcrum

[hybrid vapor]

id use naive at most

tbh

[sullen basin]

suloooooo

[hybrid vapor]

yes.

[wispy peak]

eh

u pressure gastro rly well for one thing

[sullen basin]

[wispy peak]

since it runs v little defense investment and ur knocks are always max power vs it

but na max attacks knock hits like a nuclear bomb compared to being max spa#

and ur u-turns rly sting too

u put so much damage on things like ttar / gastro that think they are completely fine especially

taunt sets especially dont need spa just for hurricane

the base spa carries enough to serve its purpose there

[wispy peak]

252 SpA Iron Jugulis Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 141-166 (33 - 38.9%) -- 8.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Iron Jugulis Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Gastrodon: 156-184 (36.6 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

case in point of that especially @hybrid vapor

knock stays a permanent like 40% damage with 100% accuracy

while gastro just perma walls u otherwise rly

[sullen basin]

knock goes down in power though

after the first one

[hybrid vapor]

thats valid

[wispy peak]

if ur not phys based then u can try and taunt it but its gonna be dicey with their ice beams / sludge bombs

[hybrid vapor]

n it still matters

for sure

[wispy peak]

it doesnt go down in power if its sticky hold

which is objectively the better ability on it now

irregardless of item

[sullen basin]

why is it sticky hold

oh bc rain is gone

right

[wispy peak]

if it runs covert cloak its always sticky hold

if its helmet then its p likely to be sticky hold

if its lefties then yea u can go either way but there's not many actual things u want storm drain for now

so sticky hold is still p nice

[sullen basin]

yeah

[wispy peak]

covert cloak is arguably its best item tho

[icy fulcrum]

SO i actually did a lot of change thing

[low kernel]

what do cover cloak do @wispy peak

[icy fulcrum]

Shoudl i send it again?

[wispy peak]

avoidance of poisons from like gengar / graf / opposing gastro, freeze from opposing gastro, confusion from mence/jugs hurricanes, flinches from jugs dark pulses, avoidance of shadow ball drops from gengar

is the big ones for covert cloak

[low kernel]

sure @timber bridge

[sullen basin]

u dodge sludge poison and sball drops

[wispy peak]

its not just that but like

poison touch / gunk from graf too and like

general hax prevention outside of crits

[sullen basin]

wait it blocks ptouch

i thought it was just move secondary effects

[wispy peak]

nope completely blocks ptouch

which is also why you absolutely need to be sticky hold with it

[sullen basin]

damn

i see

[wispy peak]

otherwise graf just knocks u and then poisons u

[sullen basin]

ye

[wispy peak]

there's also the trick immunity thats not very big but not completely irrelevant either

gengar / grafaiai / gardevoir running it on a set is not like anything to be overwhelmingly surprised at even if not particularly common

armourage's on ladder quite like running it too

[sullen basin]

no heattom on ur vr

[wispy peak]

(considering switcheroo and trick to be same thing here r.e graf)

even slowking ive ran it on in past as filler 4th move

[digital mango]

Hey this is just a meme/gimicky team that spams revilal blessing and explosion. Looking for a few thoughts or some advice on how to make it work a little better. https://pokepast.es/8699cc9363135f4a

[proven parrot]

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[digital mango]

I actually did change fortresses EVs to max out attack.

[low kernel]

Don't use this tech is you want it to work.

Or at least replace some users for Pokémon with Final Gambit

[digital mango]

Oh final gambit could be better

[low kernel]

Yep

[digital mango]

Same idea too

[low kernel]

Would also play a different set on zone

[wispy peak]

final gambits just better really now ur not working with oldgen boom

[low kernel]

Think physical is meh but at least run 216 speed

Yep

[wispy peak]

you also want some form of win con on this sort of thing though

[low kernel]

This ^

[wispy peak]

not just i'm gonna spam final gambits into everything

[low kernel]

Smth like a DD users

[wispy peak]

have maybe 2 final gamibt users + revival blessing and then just stack ur win cons

[digital mango]

OK just a few things to make it better and sacrifice the memeness a bit I guess.

[low kernel]

Use Veluza + Staraptor

Pokemon with highest HP and Final Gambit

[digital mango]

I'll Def get rid of drifblim.

[low kernel]

Could go SD luc as the cleaner

Yep i think

[wispy peak]

neat thing with staraptor there is u can also use it as a cleaner / breaker instead depending on mu

if its scarfed

final gambit + cc + brave bird + double edge and just play it depending on mu

something interesting here too is that gastro actually gets memento, you could perhaps consider something like

rocks + spikes + memento + filler gastro as hazard stacker that can give ur luc etc set up too

just as a potential option

[digital mango]

Mhm mhm.

Yeah I thought this would be fun to try but I realized all the Pokemon were uu and I know absolutely nothing about UU

[summer bronze]

Anyone care to help me with some UU teambuilding? I took this (https://pokepast.es/2d77aef6464ce11a) team from the bazaar forum, but now with Iron Hands banned, I'm having to fill some slots. I switched Iron Hands to banded Slither Wing, mostly just cuz banded CC ohkos tink, which was a major wall to my team.

I also was looking at switching out bramble for Sandy Shocks, just to get some different hazard setting and hitting some mons that Iron Hands used to, which brings me to this team
https://pokepast.es/ec49cc7763718e07

Still feels a bit incomplete, idk. Any adjustments or tips could be helpful. I was looking at putting in Talonflame for some fire move coverage and defog, but not sure where to slot it, either replacing gengar or poltea

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[cosmic lake]

https://pokepast.es/387d882538bdcde9 thought I'd build HO Screens after Grimmsnarl dropped to UU; I built this in like 5 minutes so I don't expect it to be good. Where are my major weakspots that I haven't accounted for?

[proven parrot]

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[cosmic lake]

I know I need an answer to Quagsire but can't find anything that suits the team

[low kernel]

Tbh Quasire don't beat gyarados due to taunt and poltea can break it

I tend to enjoy protect on polteageist

Bc it doesn't allows oppo to rk with first impression

I would put taunt on Grimmsnarl

Talonflame doesn't really belong within HO tho

[cosmic lake]

I needed an answer for Tinkaton since that’s super common hence Talonflame

and I’ve found I can switch in on Forretress and the like and get a free SD

[low kernel]

Mhhhh

If you really want to stick with Talonflame @cosmic lake. I would advise to try out Taunt > Flare Blitz. It would allows Talonflame to mess a lot with thiccer archetypes / cores (especially like Quagsire ones). Tera Ghost would probably be the best fit or smth defensive like Fairy. Running max hp speed (248-8-252) would also ease your setups.

[twilit harbor]

Any strong fighting type should beat her

[abstract basin]

rmt SV uu
https://pokepast.es/19f836976d6dae6a

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[abstract basin]

change #1 i changed speed iv’s on grimmsnarl to 29 to underspend regular and 30 iv chumps

[abstract basin]

maybe i should run punching gloves on mr pika clone

change 2: i changed throat spray to specs on noivern and changed focus sash to punching glove on rat

[analog gyro]

you aren't gonna out pshot it lol

darks are immune to prankster

[abstract basin]

oh yea

[abstract basin]

current build

https://pokepast.es/bf9e815ed3241cfd

[tawny elbow]

https://pokepast.es/a9330657d33b9a33
Hello gamers.
Looking for either pokemon changes, set detail change, or usage critique on this team that I've spent a few hours tweaking. I'm peaking at 1400 (about my average for this gen) over about 50 games. I would add replays but unfortunately most games have been on my phone 😦

The core concept is on a) I love Slowking as a pivot and wall b) Tera Normal Boomburst Choice Specs Noivern go BOOM c) Lokix is apparently very poorly prepared for.
Positives that I've found:

1. If I can appropriately wear down ghosts, Noivern will just straight up kill everything. Even with that, teams with many ghosts can struggle to eat Flamethrowers without a Slowking of their own or, if I'm confident, a Draco Meteor on the switch.
2. I am not reliant on offensive Tera to win despite point 1. I will frequently win because of forcing switches with my defensive cores into nuke damage on the switch from Lokix, allowing any of my other pokemon beside Quagsire to win due to those trades.
3. Building on point 2, it is genuinely staggering how difficult Lokix is to handle for many teams I face. If I can use it a few times to nuke First Impressions throughout the midgame on double switches, it has swept with Leech Life or Throat Chop easily.

A couple of pointers I particularly need help on:

1. I find that I need to burn my tera on Tera Fairy Slowking much more than I'd like to. Can I build my defensive core better to avoid this?
2. I can have issues taking care of Tinkaton, more because it takes me much longer to kill it than I'd like more than dying to it per se. Usually, I end up in very slow negative trades with a Tinkaton before eventually killing it and the game proceeding with me at a disadvantage. I could use a fire move on Talonflame?
3. Even with Unaware Quagsire I seriously struggle with Shell Smash Polteageist.
4. The slot Gallade currently occupies has been the one that has seen the most change. Basically, the idea was as a mix between physical sweeper with potential to just straight wallbreak without boosting if needed. That slot has contained Maushold, Mimikyu, Bisharp, Gallade, Salamence, and now Gallade again. I cannot seem to find a poke that works consistently in this role.

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[wispy peak]

In bed rn and saw ping so checked paste out and got like 1-2 immediate comments but not gonna fully rate given what time it is for me

Your talonflame doesn’t have roost on it is red flag #1

Gallade doesn’t really fit on this style I would argue and you’d prefer something thats more balance appropriate

If you do run Gallade typically agility > swords dance though

It’s already very powerful at +0 thanks to sharpness and life orb so negating a lot of offensive counterplay is way better

Gengar counterplay is quite awkward too and would benefit from at minimum trying to fit gastro over quag

[tawny elbow]

Thank you fren for advice, I will immediately trial roost was one of the moves I was considering but feared the lack of tempo - in hindsight, not that it matters much with this type of team I suppose with Talon mostly just being Defog+Burn anyway
The Ghost issue hasn't massively reared its head with Gengar weirdly enough, but I accept that on paper I should be beaten more easily by better played Gengars. Already having an issue with Polteageist, the few times I've beaten it has been because it somehow didn't predict my Noivern becoming a Normal type?
I see the Don over Quag but I fear being able to deal with setups without the Unaware 😦

[wispy peak]

Can try fitting your own tinkaton somehow if you want but I think you need to ditch something to fit that

Gallade for tink is an option

Let’s you go spikes quag + rocks encore spdef tink which helps on the gengar front

Then yea drop u turn for roost on your talon

Paste formatting made me not even realise there was a Lokix there so I was hesitant to replace Gallade with something not super offensive until I spotted that

But yea Gallade -> tinkaton helps with gar a bunch

[tawny elbow]

In initially making the skeleton of this team I kinda just didn't realise Lokix would DO so much like that bug does so much heavy lifting. Think it'd be OU if it had Pursuit.
I will trial the changes with Roost and Utility Tinkaton for Gallade first, with a potential of using Gastrodon for Quag later down the line.
Thank you so much ❤️
And will read any other critiques posted! The more ideas from brainy people the better

[raw cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/adb3c1c27a942e87

[proven parrot]

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[raw cobalt]

please rate my UU team

@trim snow pls rate

[hybrid vapor]

it pings all the raters anyways, no need to ping them again

[raw cobalt]

oh sorry

i did not know that

first time in UU and i have not played comp since gen 4 OU

[hybrid vapor]

anyways this team looks pretty easily fixable; forre isnt rly that good rn so id recommend removing that for another stealth rock setter like scream tail or ttar (ttar would probably be better for the gengar matchup)

gastro can definitely just be sticky hold here

storm drain isnt as useful w rain going and it doesnt necessarily fix the mu into water types like tatsu anyways

espeon doesnt seem that good here either, think you could definitely make do with something like slowking over it

which provides future sight support as well

[raw cobalt]

i see

espeon and fortress were last addons because i was not famaliar with them

[hybrid vapor]

thats fair yea, forre just kinda isnt good with how abusable it is and how easy it is to block volt switch and keep hazards off

since its so passive

[raw cobalt]

but have tried the others and sandyshocks i used in scarlet so i had an idea of it's functionalty as a pivot

[hybrid vapor]

shocks is rly rly good yea

tflame is probably gonna have to be defog > taunt since forre was the hazard removal

[raw cobalt]

yeah i can see that what move to drop for it though?

[hybrid vapor]

and in that case id go trailblaze + tera steel on sciz for quag, you could also make gastro heavy duty boots as well

[hybrid vapor]

taunt

[raw cobalt]

i see

https://pokepast.es/82b18fef2aa37444 here is after edit

oops forgot gastro ability

[hybrid vapor]

sticky hold on gastro yea

otherwise this looks quite fine!

[raw cobalt]

great thank you btw do you happen to know a place where there are tournies for UU

[hybrid vapor]

oh yeah for sure

https://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/underused.752/ you can keep an eye out on the UU forum on smogon for tours hosted there, or you can look in the tournaments forum (in which they will announce any starting tournaments in the discord server here: https://discord.gg/dKfCN2Xz)

[raw cobalt]

thank you

[hybrid vapor]

np

[signal pilot]

https://pokepast.es/090f70f63cfd6390
Trying to build a team around Tinkaton
Too much Ground weakness
Can't beat Hippowdon or Sand

[proven parrot]

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[lean monolith]

sd tinkaton doesn't really fit on a hyper offense team like that

and yeah your team just auto losing to hippo is not good at all

[signal pilot]

How do I fix it?

[lean monolith]

it's either you have a completely different team, or you ditch tinkaton

[signal pilot]

I like Tinkaton, but how good is she?

If not good, I can build the team around Lucario or Gallade

[lean monolith]

tinkaton is amazing but not primarily for sd sets

[signal pilot]

I guess I need a new team then

But idk who to add

Since Smogon doesn't list team options for Tinkaton

[analog gyro]

Don't think of tink (or at least utility sets) as smth you'd build around exactly

Rather think of it as a useful mon to check dangerous special attackers like gar noiv and special mence variants

While also being able to leverage it's amazing utility movepool w/ stuff like rocks twave and knock

[signal pilot]

Hmm

Maybe I should just replace Tinkaton

Idk how good I am at a HO team

But being able to just kill anyone is the best thing

[signal pilot]

I like using her for Gigaton Hammer
Protect is a must

Is this a good set for my team?
Tinkaton @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 200 HP / 84 Atk / 224 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Gigaton Hammer
• Knock Off
• Protect

Should I replace Protect with something like Thunder Wave?

And who can I beat Hippowdon with? Gyarados?

[analog gyro]

as another rater said tink fits on stuff that isn't ho

[signal pilot]

So do I replace her with Gyarados?

[sullen basin]

i like how u said another rater like u are a rater

we'll make it happen

[analog gyro]

i mean technically anybody who rates is a "rater"

[sullen basin]

ok

[analog gyro]

you'd prolly rather have a hazard setter here if you're going for ho

altho if you are i'd absolutely drop that gar set

[analog gyro]

don't take my word for this tho as i'm not an official rater and haven't played uu in a while

[signal pilot]

I also neef someone who can beat Hippowdon

[bold idol]

Wait this is the wrong thread isn't it

[coral cliff]

I think it's #360611119527886859

[abstract basin]

https://pokepast.es/8008727cf0b35c06

[proven parrot]

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[abstract basin]

updated my uu team

[bold idol]

thx

[winter sluice]

https://pokepast.es/a4c2e738aa63576b

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[hybrid vapor]

first two members make this look like an ho, then the rest are more bo focused, which kinda throws off the composition

sorry if you're not looking for help anymore but i just saw this

[winter sluice]

The Gyarados set has been working pretty well, though the Oricorio set could change. Mostly just want a team where Oricorio has some sort of use. Also I figured I should change Dpulse to Trick.

[hybrid vapor]

oricorio should be boots ftr, and a bulkier spread would do much more here asw

its whole shtick is being a bulky setup sweeper with actual defensive utility that makes it harder to revenge kill

id also recommend removing crunch on gyara for taunt

[sullen basin]

@hybrid vapor slop

[hybrid vapor]

doesnt have many relevant targets

ok.

ANYWAYS taunt lets u wear down slowking/post tera wo chien a lot better than crunch or other coverage could

[sullen basin]

@hybrid vapor slop

[hybrid vapor]

🤓

[sullen basin]

get on showdown nerd

[hybrid vapor]

no.

[sullen basin]

rate my team https://pokepast.es/d7326351de2d5212 @hybrid vapor

[hybrid vapor]

mence being the only real slither wing check makes specs pretty suboptimal here

[sullen basin]

i have a

[hybrid vapor]

its not a good set in general anyways imo

[sullen basin]

jenjar?

halo

?

[hybrid vapor]

gengar gets uturned on forever until it eventually dies

[sullen basin]

okay!

[hybrid vapor]

mence does not but it isnt roost here

[winter sluice]

what kind of ev spread? 252 HP/ 252 SpAtk / 4 Def?

[sullen basin]

anyawys im not changing specsmence

so

ratio

[hybrid vapor]

nah ill get the spread

[hybrid vapor]

why

[sullen basin]

bc im cool liek that

[hybrid vapor]

Ability: Dancer
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 244 HP / 212 Def / 52 Spe
Timid Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Revelation Dance
- Hurricane
- Roost```

[sullen basin]

can u play tests

[hybrid vapor]

not atm no

[hybrid vapor]

btw @winter sluice this outspeeds tflame at +1

rest in bulk for the purposes i mentioned before

[winter sluice]

@hybrid vapor opinion on the rest of the team?

[hybrid vapor]

yea thats not me kek

but ill give feedback on the rest of the team

id probably go shocks > forre as a rocker here (still assuming u wanna go down the ho route); w booster energy it can def just grab at least 2 layers of hazards if using both rocks and spikes

forre just gets spun on a lot easier and doesnt output enough pressure at all, especially when compressing a ton of hazards onto it

which shocks doesnt struggle with

tinkaton i would remove for scizor; its a much better fit on ho atm and tink can often just be a momentum drain

sd tink also is kinda forced into passivity against mons it would beat like tyranitar bc of gigaton

so that isnt a good alternative

gengar can probably just be nasty plot instead of choice specs w/ tera fighting + stabs

either that or replace w mimikyu

[winter sluice]

https://pokepast.es/1e226a2f5a89c5fe
I think I'll change Forre but keep the rest; it kinda struggled on the team anyways.

[hybrid vapor]

any reason why you didnt replace tinkaton / gengar

oh you're... still typing...

[winter sluice]

Tink just feels like a good fit for this team compared to Scizor. Gengar absorbs Tspikes and helps against more physically defensive mons that Oricorio might not fare well against. That and I struggle using Mimikyu.

[hybrid vapor]

the only other good tspike setter is... basically just gengar (which scizor and mmq help with)

scizor especially

thing is im unsure if you wanna make this hyper offense or not

because thats where the first two mons rly fit as i mentioned

more so gyara bc as a water and ground immune it doesnt provide the utility it should compared to mence noivern etc

well, lmk if u still want help

@winter sluice

[winter sluice]

Thank you!

[hybrid vapor]

mhm!

[young quiver]

https://pokepast.es/ddb22fb4c04bfd0b

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[twilit harbor]

https://pokepast.es/9439690c2bff9d3a

[proven parrot]

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[hybrid vapor]

looks good imo but talon can probs be taunt bb and boots > lefties on gastro

@twilit harbor

[viral kite]

Can I post nat dex uu in here or only in nat dex non ou

[sullen basin]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060037469472555028

I would just go to ND non OU

[viral kite]

Aii thx

[twilit harbor]

https://pokepast.es/4a0e6915fd36f60c

[proven parrot]

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[hybrid vapor]

mimikyu kinda has bad anti synergy with psyterrain, since shadow sneak is blocked by it

[lean monolith]

Indeedee isn’t really that good anymore without amra too

[hybrid vapor]

this as well yeah

tho if u wanna keep the concept of the team, i think i would probably go screens scream tail > grimm for rocks so you can compress another sweeper like haxorus over the shocks slot, bc rn the team kinda lacks pressure for ho

seems like youd be spending more time setting up wincons than actually winning with them

[twilit harbor]

https://pokepast.es/4abe8c83bfa15509

https://pokepast.es/194e6e5f51f159f5

Without indeedee is second one

[hybrid vapor]

@twilit harbor in the no indeedee one mmq can probs be sneak

over drain punch

otherwise i think they're good, lucario can probably be ada tho

[twilit harbor]

Subgar instead of polt for Lokix mu?

[hybrid vapor]

in psyterrain lokix shouldnt be too bad

[twilit harbor]

No on the non Psy terrain one

[hybrid vapor]

oh my bad

but yea u can try that

[carmine ledge]

https://pokepast.es/e6388c4eafb0bece

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[little shard]

mons like choice gengar ttr and vern dont rly fit on ho

tbh i dont think the sand angle is rly viable in general with scizor in the tier

[carmine ledge]

vern is mainly there for scizor

i havent really struggled with it so far

but ya i havent really gotten much out of ttar aside from setting sand for lycanroc to sweep

do u think theres any way to make it viable

[low kernel]

You could try spikes sandy shocks.
Good bp check+ ground type + good speed + pivot

On froslass

[scarlet yew]

https://pokepast.es/8182e456a056a991 how's this team?

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[sullen basin]

https://pokepast.es/d08c8fd6fbbed301

its cool balance w specs noiv that breaks p well not sure if any notable weakness

heattom is cool cuz u check zor rly well and talonflame cope

like team name says lol

[sullen basin]

@hybrid vapor

[lean monolith]

The sets are kinda bad

like don’t run specs Noivern in the land of ttar

[sullen basin]

dont u just utnr out

i have a phan right there

[verbal dawn]

https://pokepast.es/3c41be7cb9fb4f69
i have never built a team in my entire life so this is probably utter garbage

[proven parrot]

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[royal monolith]

UU sand team

Doubles, by the way

[scarlet yew]

https://pokepast.es/323d6eef7493d233

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[scarlet yew]

How's my team?

[low kernel]

Orthworm isn't UU anymore

[hardy ferry]

i think this channel is for uu singles

[sullen basin]

Ye

[oak silo]

https://pokepast.es/7689086283fd2f09

Wanting to build around Choice Band Gallade, with surface level knowledge of how the tier works.

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[oak silo]

Would've just stolen smth from Bazaar but a lot of them are of uh...questionable quality (which ig is to be expected but whatever.)

Had a lot of issues dealing with Tyranitar while testing on ladder, Grafaifai's probs replaceable for smth to deal with it, but I'm not sure what.

[frail burrow]

https://pokepast.es/cdbf56b14b7b940c

took a long break from showdown so idk what im doin this gen ngl

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[wispy peak]

No stealth rock immediately jumps out

You tend to benefit from the potential of spikes too alongside rocks cor taunt teams but you defo need rocks

I’m not sure what the zone is here for at all, this team doesn’t care about trapping tink too much

You also lack much of a mence and jugs matchup because of the choice to run no real special walls

Rocks tinkaton > zone would instantly help a bit

[scarlet yew]

https://pokepast.es/6c7645e1ca223f5a

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[unique wren]

Where is ttar

[royal monolith]

Doubles

[unique wren]

O

[royal monolith]

.

[unique wren]

Didn't see that lol

[ashen moat]

Hello

I am trying out Gen 8 UU because that is the next best thing

https://pokepast.es/a6b44d32e5205197
I just picked out a bunch of Pokemon I liked

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[ashen moat]

And yes, I know it sucks

@trim snow

All I know is that I wanna use Maushold and Tinkaton

[scarlet yew]

Not a uu expert but the least you could do is change Slither's EVs

[ashen moat]

To what?

[scarlet yew]

Apparently they're just old calcs for killing mons that were in UU before

[ashen moat]

Oh

What should the EVs be now?

[scarlet yew]

Either def or spe?

[ashen moat]

Okay

[scarlet yew]

In my experience Slither has enough power to not need the extra attack

So probably either of those two

[ashen moat]

So is careful good?

[scarlet yew]

I'd say Jolly or Impish

Depends on which EVs you go for

Also I don't think you need the Protective Pads

[ashen moat]

Alright

I decided to go with the standard choice band set

[scarlet yew]

Since Brave Bird Talon can 1 shot Slither so you're never staying in

[ashen moat]

Boomburst tera normal noivern is braindead in all the best ways

[scarlet yew]

Still braindead tho 😒

[ashen moat]

But it gives me dopamine

[scarlet yew]

Dopamine comes after thinking time

Not before 😠

[ashen moat]

God I wish toedscruel got parting shot

[scarlet yew]

I'd love a pivot move on him

But why parting in particular

[ashen moat]

Because it's a status move

And it would guarantee a slow pivot

Because of it's ability

[brazen dirge]

https://pokepast.es/36d2167bdecc1c20 quick team I made so I'm wondering what I should do to make it better

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[whole tangle]

https://pokepast.es/7d7ea0c7246a566c Don’t really play UU often

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[hybrid vapor]

issue with this is that it has grimmsnarl (a common hyper offense pokemon) but the rest of the team doesnt rlly align with that team style

its either that or you want this to be bulky offense but theres a random grimmsnarl

so what're you trying to go for?

[whole tangle]

It used to be balanced with offense and defense

Grimmsnarl did become less useful with this team

Just didn’t really take notice

Was mainly used to help Quaquaval sweep

[hybrid vapor]

in that case i would definitely change out the grimmsnarl slot for something else. noivern is also like, better with boots sets atm, so i would use tera fire > normal with a set of draco/flamethrower/uturn/roost instead, which lets it retain its longevity long-term + bring in wallbreakers like gengar here

toedscruel is also not good so id just replace that with tsareena instead

grimm can very easily be a wo-chien instead imo, deals with mons that otherwise wall quaq very well

gengar's set is fine apart from destiny bond, which can easily just be trick

and lokix imo is fine as tinkaton for rocks, which also soft checks gengar for the team

[cosmic lake]

https://pokepast.es/ab15b78baf926c2e I peaked at 1300 with this team (but pre-shift and with Unaware quag instead of WA). Now that the meta's shifted, does this still hold up?

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[cosmic lake]

main idea of the team is Indeedee + Polteageist/Hawlucha taking advantage of the terrain and sweeping. Zone traps annoying steels like Bisharp and Tink, and Talon/Quag form a nice defensive core (though with rain becoming a thing™️ in UU i've made Quag WA instead of Unaware)

One hole in my team seems to be Sandy Shocks; nothing can really switch into it and kill it cleanly

[wispy peak]

this is unusual since on one hand you have like your psychic terrain HO but then you put two defensive pokemon on it

i dont really think zone is necessary anyway if ur running tera fighting poltea for bish and u can just wear tink down with rest of ur team realistically but yea its an alright option if u want

not sure id go specs over like AV or something tho

but yea get rid of the talon + quag if you wanna run screens HO, or at least be SD talon if nothing else

run your own hazards lead shocks most likely and then like you could run something like an iron leaves as your last or soemthing if you are bothered by sandy

[cosmic lake]

I kinda intended the team to not be HO but yeah I see what you’re saying, it’d make more sense to ditch the defense and just go pure HO instead of trying to strike a balance

[wispy peak]

Oops I meant terrain HO not screens but yea

If you run that sorta stuff it kinda has to force HO unfort

[cosmic lake]

i figured since grimmsnarl + psychic terrain kinda gets in its own way

[wispy peak]

Just cause tea and indeedee offer like nothing defensively at all

And Lucha not very much either although does offer a little

[cosmic lake]

if I’m dropping talonflame would magic bounce calm mind Espeon make sense? or does that not really work all too well

or would a specs + trick set make more sense

[wispy peak]

I think you’d want something with an actual ground resist like you mentioned

Idt you need to worry too much about hazards cause them clicking hazards = giving you turns anyway

[cosmic lake]

makes sense

[wispy peak]

But if you are worried then maushold over zone perhaps

And just overwhelm tink instead

[cosmic lake]

so just not worry about removal then

[wispy peak]

I’d say just see how you generally feel about it when playing it

And if you feel like you want removal still then you defo can have it

I would consider something like quackquaval or maushold to get it maybe tho

Since esp doesn’t rly matchup wel into any setters anyway and stacks a lot of ttar issues onto the team

[cosmic lake]

oh that’s true

idk with psychic terrain espeon makes a lot of sense but I get the problem with stacking too much

[wispy peak]

Yea you could definitely try it if you wanted

Be careful about your tera type and just see how you feel the playing in practice goes with it

A lot of the time with these sort of teams it’s very much a like personal style thing in the end

So I don’t want to definitively tell you what to do but just make sure you are aware of the advantages and disavtnages

And then let you go test out various options and see which you like the most

[cosmic lake]

yea got it!! thanks a bunch!

[keen needle]

https://pokepast.es/c3a72820bd77a7b5
uu team with quaq and bisharp

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[polar pendant]

https://pokepast.es/54725a4c06d45681

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[polar pendant]

Hows this rain team

[hybrid vapor]

would rather go for kilowattrel > shocks here, which can be volt absorb to cover for the lack of a ground type; also helps pivot around pawmot

quaquaval should probs also just be tera steel > fire imo with leftovers instead of life orb, life orb means you'll get worn down super easily and intim mons will just pivot around you forever

namely tauros water and mence

peli should have damp rock + 0 atk ivs for bramble strength sap

[polar pendant]

I went fire to avoid burns

[hybrid vapor]

assuming you've already clicked aqua step you beat talon anyways (most of the time) + tera steel gives you a much better matchup into mence noiv and decidueye if it tries to tera to beat you as well

also jugs should def be specs here

gives you a lot more mileage out of rain turns

[polar pendant]

Should killo be specs or boots

[hybrid vapor]

boots is fine

[polar pendant]

Thanks mate

Anything else I should change

[hybrid vapor]

nop

np!

[twilit harbor]

https://pokepast.es/fb6ff74914253f7c

[lean monolith]

This feels like you want a stall/balance team but then have a life orb sciz

@twilit harbor

I’d rather have it be fully committed to stall if that’s how the team looks

[twilit harbor]

Leftovers/HDB scizor?

[lean monolith]

no roost means it can’t really fit on defense

also remove bramble and make talon defog

since it’s a bulkier team you can afford to run it easier

[twilit harbor]

But the idea was “roost at home” and to wish pass to him

[raw vine]

https://pokepast.es/22c8f8c11445fb77 anything i could replace my donphan with? (or anything else i can fix/improve)

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[twilit harbor]

@lean monolith what do I switch scizor and bramble for?

[strange charm]

How is Gastrodon as a physical wall in SV UU?
I was thinking to make it a physical wall because I have Tyranitar has a special wall.
Or would it be better to make Gastrodon a special wall and Hippo instead of Ttar acting as a phyiscal wall?

[scarlet yew]

Gastrodon doesn't work well as a phys wall

So you could do Hippow and Gastro

[strange charm]

I see
Thanks for letting me know

[strange charm]

Regarding Hippowdon, can it run a physically defensive set ?

[scarlet yew]

It's base defense is already high enough

So people put EVs into sp defense to make it a mixed wall

[strange charm]

I see

[scarlet yew]

It appreciates Gastrodon's presence for tanking water

[strange charm]

It's one of the two mins in SV UU that does have an immunity to water
Other one is Quagsire

[keen needle]

https://pokepast.es/8366058d16995c4f
uu team with offensive quaquaval

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[ocean cargo]

https://pokepast.es/54fff29cf083ca41

sword dance quaquaval

[left shadow]

Is this good

[low kernel]

uh this is looking weird.
Rain teams do not tend to run Alomomola because it just sap momentum out of the team. The purpose of rain teams (and most of the time of all offensive teams) is to pressure the opponent as much as possible. with that in mind, you need to be focused on dealing as much damages as you can during the rain turns. You can have one "defensive" Pokémon (support) such as Brambleghast in this case as it brings spin + spikes to the team whihc is good (spread and moveset are not great tho here). With the same idea, Tauros-Water will likely prefer something like Bulk Up + Trailblaze (+ double stab) or straight up a choice item like scarf or band. Your team also doesn't have any swift swim user which are insane in rain. Both Floatzel and Barraskewda excel with this role. last but not least, while bisharp is a decent Pokémon in rain due to Stealth Rock + Steel type, it's outclassed a lot in that role by Tinkaton which has a way better defensive typing and access to knock off.

PS : Moves on Pelipper are not good, you should run smth like surf + hurricane + u-turn + roost in order to keep it healthy to provide more rain turns (also defensive spreads tend to be better).
PS 2 : add some speed on that poor duck too!

[low kernel]

link doesn't work

[low kernel]

same 😦

[sullen basin]

pokepaste went down

[keen needle]

since pokepaste is down, a screenshot should fare

[scarlet yew]

I don't have much experience in UU yet, but I think it would be good to replace Defog with U-turn so Quack can enter the field easier

Since he already has heavy-duty

And no one else is worrying about hazards

Just watch out for your tera ice Shocks

Or maybe make it tera grass?

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/235443e12833f732

Am building uu, shocks has been doing me good

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[little shard]

seems ok at a glance, would make haxorus a salamence though

and maybe like slowbro > aiai

[unique wren]

Gib mence set, , Graf has been doing good too

Also this is my first time building for uu

Nvm, I found a set

[shadow osprey]

https://pokepast.es/8e656fbd08408652

How's this I'm new to UU

[scarlet yew]

I suggest Storm Drain on Gastrodon

Because the only water resist you have is Salamence

And rain will break through easily

Also why do you have 3 people with Earth Power

And also Salamence himself with Earthquake

Just a lot of overlap there

[scarlet yew]

Honestly I would get rid of Salamence if I were you

He just doesn't bring a lot to the party

And in my experience it's difficult to make set up mons work

Also you don't have a phys wall

If you wanna keep Salamence in a phys wall with Intimidate is really good

You could also go Brambleghast since he's the only bulky Ghost type for spin blocking

[scarlet yew]

Nvm Decidueye has more bulk somehow

He also has Defog which is nice for your Jugulis

But Talon also has Defog and the capability to be a much stronger phys wall

[abstract oracle]

https://pokepast.es/14d034dec81e7194 Need advice

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[wispy peak]

u definitely dont wanna be both rock + spike on gastro, u can easily drop scarf on the sandy shocks to run spikes on it and keep rocks on gastro with somtehing like this cause gengar + noivern + shocks is already pretty fast esp with priority in the mix too

Ability: Cursed Body  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Shadow Ball  
- Sludge Bomb  
- Energy Ball
- Focus Blast```

run that on ur gengar instead

[abstract oracle]

How would you run gastro?

[wispy peak]

noivern should typically have spa really

[abstract oracle]

tbh sandy shocks only there for speed control

[wispy peak]

and tbh i dont rly think u should ever run it as afogger, better off running talon a lot of the time if u want that

[abstract oracle]

noivern is only there as a fogger

[wispy peak]

do talon > noiv in that case yea

[abstract oracle]

Ah

Talonflame uu smogon?

should I look ther

[wispy peak]

Ability: Flame Body  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Flare Blitz  
- Will-O-Wisp  
- Defog
- Roost```

run taht

i think u could justify not playing double choice here too by going a different gengar set like hex, especially if u also pair it with a talon for more willo's

double choice can backfire a little at times

[abstract oracle]

Maybe like nasty plot? what move would i get rid of

I need a scarf ngl

for focus blast

scizor has cc

70% isnt dependable

https://pokepast.es/31aea0c01f7d7fe1 this could be a lot better

[lean monolith]

stop being scared of missing focus blast

it’s the choice between winning and walled

even if you can miss

[wispy peak]

if ur running hex u run willo + hex + sludge bomb + focus blast really

but u can drop focus blast for sub if u like

[abstract oracle]

sub would go crazy

[wispy peak]

and u run black sludge then

ye sub willo hex is a nice set too i like that one

[abstract oracle]

Sash could go crazy too ugh ill try both ngl lol

[wispy peak]

na dont do sash on it, one of the nice things about black sludge is that it makes u better as a spinblocker into tsareena too

but sash is useless on it pretty much

[abstract oracle]

https://pokepast.es/43b07be4dd47fcd8

[wispy peak]

ur either black sludge or ur running something more offensive

[abstract oracle]

ah

[lean monolith]

sash is inconsistent with hazards + sand

[abstract oracle]

yea u right

[lean monolith]

I’d change sciz Tera to fire or steel as well

[abstract oracle]

any other changes? idk about giving snady shocks spikes cause need a mon for that pesky electric quiver dance bird

Made it fire

Gastrodon tera needs a change to

too

fire maybe

[lean monolith]

ghost to wall quaq

[abstract oracle]

fairy cause its defensive

ahh

smargt

u r a mega genius

ngl

[lean monolith]

Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Tera Type: Ghost
Calm Nature
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power
- Recover```

maybe sludge over ice beam

[abstract oracle]

I like that set ngl

I could change sandy shocks to sum else

with that

[lean monolith]

Sandy Shocks could be your scarfer

Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ground
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Earth Power
- Thunderbolt
- Stealth Rock```

[abstract oracle]

Theres a better option if Gastrodon has earth coverage in my opinion

it would fit nice but there could be better

[abstract oracle]

Naw bruh ice beam is bussin

Ive won matches bc of it LOL

[quasi elk]

https://pokepast.es/e93d8b8d2e1addc2 i need advice pls

[scarlet yew]

No need for speed EVs since Tink can tank

Personally a bit sus of the Fake Out but I've never used it myself

Gengar does not need Giga Drain

It's really easy to one shot it

You can't heal something that's dead

But you won't be killed by someone who's dead either

So go Energy Ball

I don't see the point of the Tera Ghost Magnezone

Just play your Gengar into safe switches and you won't need the extra spin blocker

Also Tink already has Steel coverage

[quasi elk]

Its a pretty specific way to count hawlucha, it sweeped me too many times

[quasi elk]

With this i just realize i can block hawlucha completly if i make tinkaton defensive, ty

[scarlet yew]

No

Bad idea

Tink doesn't even resist fighting

And mediocre defense

[sullen basin]

@hybrid vapor can u help

[hybrid vapor]

making foodsies rn but if i dont forget i will help

[scarlet yew]

I think the only thing that can wall Hawlucha is Talonflame

Just burn it and stall until Psychic Terrain turns off to kill it with priority

Oh you have no priority 😰

Hawlucha is a surprisingly difficult one to account for 😓

[scarlet yew]

Okay I think what you can do is

Just pray

That you predict the Hawlucha switch in and Thunder Wave him

Then switch to Talon

Pray that Acrobatics doesn't kill

Then Will O Wisp

And on that note I would replace Fake Out with Thunder Wave

Just get rid of Espeon since you have a defogger and a setup sweeper in Gengar

Use Flame Body on Talon since Gale Wings makes Will O Wisp not work in Psychic Terrain

And turn the Magnezone into a Spikes Sandy Shocks

With some luck your Talon will survive

And with any more luck you never run into a Hawlucha ever

[quasi elk]

Hawlucha its such a problem, i decided to use tera ghost tinkaton, its immune to close combat and can take 3 acrobatics from a hawlucha with +2 on attack

So i replace stealth rock of tinkaton with thunder wave and magnezone with sandy shocks, aaaand change the ability of talonflame, any ideas of a replacement for espeon? I used it to reflect sticky webs and stealth rocks

[scarlet yew]

No

Keep Stealth Rock

That's 25% hp lost on switch in

That's huge

[quasi elk]

Oh and i already replaced fake out with play rough

[scarlet yew]

12.5%*

Fighting resists Rock

[hybrid vapor]

i think ill probably rate tomorrow morning and you can look at the advice later in the day

[sullen basin]

no

6.25

sr starts at 12.5

unless i misread

oh

nvm i misread

sozz

[quasi elk]

Ok i will send the updated team so you can see it tomorrow

[quasi elk]

https://pokepast.es/78a6421148b101ed

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[lean monolith]

tbh if you want to use espeon you should make it a hyper offense

you have a lot of ho mons like maus, np gengar, Sandy Shocks

you can use espeon as a screens setter

[quasi elk]

Ok i made the espeon a screen stter and played some matches and i gotta say it works pretty well https://pokepast.es/3146f528e5de6662

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[hybrid vapor]

hi ok im here now

first thing that really sticks out are the sets, there are some really suboptimal move and ev choices that make the team a lot worse

see: tinkaton has play rough but no encore + it isnt spdef so its a much worse check to noivern gengar etc

espeon also kinda doesnt fit here imo and would be better off as a gardevoir (specifically scarf)

its offensively similar to espeon but it also really helps out offensive teammates like gengar in breaking a lot better

Ability: Mold Breaker  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 172 SpD  
Careful Nature  
- Stealth Rock  
- Gigaton Hammer  
- Knock Off  
- Encore```

would also use a tinkaton set along these lines

has a much better mu into noivern gengar gardevoir jugulis etc

and encore lets it mess w defensive mons p easily like wo chien and slowbro

Ability: Flame Body  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Brave Bird  
- Will-O-Wisp  
- Taunt  
- Roost``` talonflame can really also just be this set but with defog > taunt

you need roost to be able to check mons long-term

sandy shocks can just be a standard pivot set like this:

Ability: Protosynthesis  
Tera Type: Ice  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Volt Switch  
- Earth Power  
- Thunderbolt  
- Tera Blast```

but with a different last move + tera type if desired

e.g. tera ground if using spikes or tera grass for more reliability vs quag gastro and hippo

[quasi elk]

Oh when i was making the sets i thinked "nah tinkaton its too slow to use encore" but ok i will try it

[hybrid vapor]

yea its really just for slower mons

you really discourage them from ever using abusable moves without being put into risk of being abused by something else

anyways,

Ability: Cursed Body  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Will-O-Wisp  
- Hex  
- Sludge Bomb  
- Focus Blast```
gengar would function better with a non-lo set imo, wisp just makes it a lot easier for gardevoir to wear down tinkaton and gastro

lastly, i would probably make maushold a wochien instead

helps a lot vs opposing electric types immensely

[quasi elk]

Someone told me that gengar should not use leftovers or defensive stuff in general because its way too fragile

[hybrid vapor]

leftovers gengar is fine, especially if you opt for sub

[quasi elk]

https://pokepast.es/4ab32e7f0bb8a7eb the team its looking good but idk if gardevoir fits, should i make a gardevoir a lead instead?

[hybrid vapor]

you should probably stick to more sample set-esque stuff for now

[quasi elk]

Alright im gonna try it out thx for the advice

[tacit aurora]

Should I just give you my team right now?

[scarlet yew]

Idk if you changed the sets yet

But Gardevoir does not need 2 psychic type moves

I don't think Gengar wants Will O Wisp

2 turns to shoot a 130 power move + support your team is nice

Or you could take 2 turns to shoot 2 Shadow Balls for 160 or just kill a frail pokemon in 1 turn

[hot fractal]

hexgar is rly good

[hybrid vapor]

wisp gengar is fine

you dont ever stay in on mons you wisp as they switch in anyways, you just set yourself up for future scenarios when they switch in again

though this gardevoir set doesnt need two psychic moves yeah

can really just do with stabs (psychic or psyshock) + healing wish/trick/mystical fire

[pearl ravine]

https://pokepast.es/66819996f4ea663b came back to the tier for the first time since Baxcalibur meta

[proven parrot]

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[lean monolith]

maushold 3 and not 4

unviable dump the whole team

[pearl ravine]

population bombs you idc 😄

[hybrid vapor]

low kick and tera fire tera blast seems

redundant

[pearl ravine]

shld lkick be tect?

[lean monolith]

I think espeon is way better as a screen setter than Grimm tbh

because magic bounce is broken

[hybrid vapor]

i was typing something but scrapped it because it Did Not Work

but this yeah

[hybrid vapor]

yes

[lean monolith]

• you want to keep hazards off especially with teapot

[pearl ravine]

can u hand me an Espeon

[lean monolith]

Ability: Magic Bounce  
Tera Type: Fairy  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Reflect  
- Light Screen  
- Yawn  
- Dazzling Gleam```

[pearl ravine]

thx 😄

ima send the paste again

https://pokepast.es/90489b49ad6176e8

[lean monolith]

I think oricorio sensu might be a better pick here than dd mence

gives you a speed boosting threat that doesn’t have to run from tflame

especially considering you already have maus, luc and sciz

[pearl ravine]

yea

[lean monolith]

use lefties on sciz too

you’re already plenty strong and you have more chances to set up

[pearl ravine]

https://pokepast.es/5703061884c6241c

[lean monolith]

uhh I may have said sensu instead of pom pom lol

I meant that sorry

[pearl ravine]

lmao np

https://pokepast.es/4302bcbe676cad12

[lean monolith]

looks good

happy laddering!

[pearl ravine]

thanks 😄 runs into Lokix

:C

oh wait I have tect on Maus and Luc 😄

[lean monolith]

yeah it shouldn’t be a problem at all especially with screens

[pearl ravine]

I think I lose to Quaquaval

@lean monolith

[lean monolith]

aqua step is a dancing move

you can outspeed it with oricorio if it tries to go for it

[pearl ravine]

oh

[pearl ravine]

https://pokepast.es/8216b7fc1a6b7a32 ik this is mediocre :C

[pearl ravine]

https://pokepast.es/8216b7fc1a6b7a32 repost

[proven parrot]

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[cursive vale]

with a team like this you kinda wanna commit to the hyper offense style of indeedee + hawlucha + polteageist and run other offensive teammates that can keep up the pressure on the opponent

gallade should work fine here but scarf isn’t the most ideal option because a choice lock can be easily punished by a lot of the tier (something like wo-chien can wall it once it’s locked into psycho cut or leaf blade for example)

the best way to fix that is potentially going with an agility + 3 attacks set bc under terrain youre no longer worried about priority

similarly id get rid of quagsire + brambleghast entirely because they don’t fit on hyper offense bc they’re defensive pokemon that would let the opponent recover / pivot etc, so try some offensive options that also benefit from psy terrain. maushold could be a good one because it doesn’t have to worry about priority anymore so will almost always be the fastest thing on the field

[hybrid vapor]

the autumn rate...

[sullen basin]

[unique wren]

https://pokepast.es/bc85e4de5361a47f rate this team

pls

[proven parrot]

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[coral cliff]

What goes over Bramble in slot 6?

Deedee Lucha teapot Gallade Maus ???

[cursive vale]

if you want rocks you could try something like tinkaton maybe, it’s kinda passive too but between knock + encore you can get setuo opportunities for your teammates. or you could try donphan as a lead, the mon is kinda bad overall but it works decently on hyper offense bc sturdy guarantees rocks

[cursive vale]

i don’t really think poltea fits here because you’re sash but you also have sand from ttar so it’s very rare that you’d be able to actually do anything with it. it’s also a pokemon than only really fits on hyper offense too. if you wanna keep ghost typing you could try gengar maybe

id also change the ttar set to something like this. av doesn’t really do much and a physical set is better to take advantage of its high attack. you now have rocks on the team too
Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Tera Type: Ground
Careful Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Stone Edge
• Crunch
• Earthquake

[strange charm]

I have a question about Brambleghast's set on Smogon:
Brambleghast @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Wind Rider
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Bold Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Strength Sap
• Shadow Ball
• Spikes
  What's the 36 Speed for?

[scarlet yew]

You're better off just asking in comp gen or the UU discord server

Rate my team is for teams exclusively

[hot fractal]

ada tar

half of this tier creeps ada ttar lol

[pearl ravine]

https://pokepast.es/18af109ee3d33575

[proven parrot]

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[twilit harbor]

I think tinka

[strange charm]

What's ada tar?

[hot fractal]

adamant tyranitar

[strange charm]

I see
I suppose what it can do is use Strength Sap for recovery and debuff attack
Then use Power Whip

[hot fractal]

its also that half of everything else also creeps ada ttar

[strange charm]

Is it like chocie band Tyranitar or DD tar?

[hot fractal]

?

ddtars are usually not even max speed

mostly cbtar

[strange charm]

That's interesting
Is the rest of the EVs in its bulk?

[hot fractal]

yea lots of them run bulky spreads

[strange charm]

I'm looking at the Smogon spreads
Most spreads are invested in speed and attack, including choice band sets

[hot fractal]

max attack max speed is fine its just that bulky dd

is generally perceived as better

[strange charm]

I see
Even in a lower tier, Tyranitar is a powerful threat

[rapid heron]

https://pokepast.es/3921809164edcda0

[proven parrot]

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[rapid heron]

so i wanted to try out some of the bulky mons after the tier shifts and I came up with this team

it's mainly design to be really bulky mons that also deal a lot of damage and wear down the opponent.

and then there's sandy shocks

[scarlet yew]

See you probably want a heavy duty on Shocks since tera Ice gives it a stealth rock weakness which is huge

Life Orb just isn't very desirable since Shocks is so important that you want him to have all the hp he can have

[cursive vale]

yeah boots on this is rly important because spikes are prevalent too and you want it to be able to come in and pivot

[scarlet yew]

Do you really need the double screen?

This is literally a bulky offense team

No need for AV on Ttar either

[cursive vale]

the biggest issue w this team tho is grimmsnarl tho yea, screens are only useful on hyper offense because they let frail offensive threats have the bulk they need to set up and win

[scarlet yew]

I don't play Ttar but I just hear that AV isn't good a lot

Idk about everyone else either

[cursive vale]

yea i think a defensive rocks set would be better - bc you’re sd tinkaton you don’t have rocks on that

[twilit harbor]

Rain matchup is terrible swap sandy for water absorb gastrodon, tyranitar and tinka are redundant special sponges

Make wo Chien foul play for scizor and quaq emergency check

Also get rid of grimm and make tyranitar the stealth rock smogon set

Scream tail works really good on this team as you have no pawmot checks

Both as a wish passer and a way to check gallade

https://pokepast.es/1841b4a1589391ec

Something like this

[proven parrot]

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[twilit harbor]

Wait no make gastrodon Tera ghost

[scarlet yew]

Stealth Rock and Spikes on Gastro?

[twilit harbor]

I used the showdown set mb

Sludge bomb over stealth rocks on gastro

Also I would use sleep talk wo Chien as you have nothing that wants to eat toxic from quag

[cursive vale]

id avoid showdown usage sets

they just take the top 4 moves top ability top item etc with no consideration about whether it actually fits together or makes sense

[twilit harbor]

Ye ik but I remembered the set had storm drain and I’m lazy

Gallade showdown set has scarf and agility

[abstract oracle]

https://pokepast.es/9d94c45423b0ab95 https://pokepast.es/97124035cd07a62c I want to fit mimikyu into this team I just didnt make much use of gengar any advice?

[proven parrot]

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[scarlet yew]

You probably just didn't make much use of Gengar because it has purely Ghost coverage

Why do you even have him with Black Sludge

With no defense EVs he'll get one shotted real easily

[scarlet yew]

Also you'd probably prefer Surf Gastro instead of Hydro Pump

Having to Surf twice is better than missing Hydro Pump twice at least

[wispy peak]

If running sub especially then you really value black sludges ability to keep you healthier

It’s not true at all that he gets one shorted without defense evs

He still chews non supereffective special hits very well and can eat resisted phys hits like from Tsareena etc

Non choiced sets like black sludge the most cause it helps off set hazard damage and potential sub dmg if running that too

You don’t wanna run things like life rob instead cause you’ll just eat all your own hp up too quick and become useless

[unique wren]

I wouldn't say "very well", its still decently frail and can get 2hko'd by most non se or resisted things ime, but thats just a nitpick
100% agree with everything else

Generally as a rule of thumb @ fernes, LO + Substiute makes pokemon get worn down super fast
obviously exceptions to this exist but they are few

Zam is a notable exception to this because Magic Guard
though it does still appriciate Leftovers recovery to allow it to sub more

[coral cliff]

https://pokepast.es/18af109ee3d33575

[proven parrot]

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[wispy peak]

Naclstack my beloved

Probably wanna be tera poison nacl usually personally

Makes u hard counts gengar completely beyond trick with no vuln to any coverage

And with bulk + salt cure + idef you take on the grounds still

[unique wren]

Why PR on Alomomola
I recall that being brought in UU(F?)PL but I also remember it losing hard

[coral cliff]

Bean gave me this mola

[hybrid vapor]

pr helps vs quaq

[abstract oracle]

https://pokepast.es/7a7555d06f9afb76

uu

[proven parrot]

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[pearl ravine]

anything else wrong btw?

[rapid heron]

https://pokepast.es/ef8ba1f8eaaf8597

[proven parrot]

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[rapid heron]

Just made this on the fly and thought these would make decent offensive team. Also my love for Tyranitar extends to Iron Thorns so I just had an idea and took off with it.

[unique wren]

heya, still need help w/ this?

[rapid heron]

anything helps

[unique wren]

Okay so there are a few things I notice immediatly

• Iron Thorns is a Pokemon that mainly sticks to Dragon Dance sets yes, but its generally a worse Tyranitar
• You have a non-boots Stealth Rock-weak Pokemon while also having no good removal
• You lack Stealth Rock
• Mimikyu lacks Life Orb, which is the main (and imo, only good) set in UU. I think that Wood Hammer is a fine 4th if you have nothing else to hit waters, but generally I (and most others) prefer Drain Punch to hit Steels, especially Bisharp
• Noivern can't do anything to any Steel type
• Floatzel goes to town on you

@rapid heron any questions with that so far?

[sullen basin]

hammer is better

bisharp is like a c tier mon lol

[rapid heron]

Thank you for the advice. any criticism is good since i play kinda casually and wouldn't mind getting advice from you guys

[unique wren]

It isn't
Fighting coverage is generally superior, also hitting Wo-Chien, and Bisharp is fine

[sullen basin]

play rough

[unique wren]

Mimikyu can click Drain against Wo-Chien a decent bit of the time in an attempt to offset Leech seed chip

It also helps against
every steel type

not named Tink

Which you aren't staying in on anyway because of Mold Breaker

[sullen basin]

the only steel i can really see it helping vs is zone

have fun drain punching the scizor

luc either kills u or dies to u regardless

[unique wren]

Drain Punch is the best option in a 1v1 against Scizor

[sullen basin]

ur option in a 1v1 vs scizor is die

[unique wren]

and no

this is objectivley incorrect

[sullen basin]

jet at the end of the day ur running a mmq walled by hippo... take ur pick

[unique wren]

T1 - You drain, Lucario Mashes, breaking disguise
T2 - Shadow Sneak, probably killing

I am telling you the general consensus among good players
you are free to ignore me if you'd like

[sullen basin]

sigh

to the replays thread i go

[unique wren]

in fact many sets don't run either Drain Punch or Wood Hammer
They usually run SClaw

also "walled"
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Mimikyu Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 76+ Def Hippowdon: 220-259 (52.3 - 61.6%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Copied

[sullen basin]

sclaw is fine

[sullen basin]

Hippowdon Whirlwind vs. Mimikyu: 100000-100000 ( infinity - infinity%) -- possibly the worstbest move ever

[unique wren]

You said Hippowdon walls Mimikyu
Phazing doesnt mean you beat it lol

because it just comes back in later

[sullen basin]

how many times is mmq really setting up w/o disguise

[unique wren]

Whirlwind doesn't break disguise bro

[sullen basin]

yes but u had to get to +2 first

[unique wren]

ah

[sullen basin]

anyw specifically on this team id go hammer just bc look at the quag mu

[unique wren]

this team is bad
because as I said earlier it gets owned by a pleathora of threats

[sullen basin]

i think defog noiv is legit

i may be the only one

[unique wren]

Also quaq mu is fine
There is a Trailbalze Slither Wing

which does 75% min

-er

this is Cb

does 50 min

so at worst you offset recover

at best you outdamage it

[wispy peak]

can we cut back on the arguing about stuff in here please btw

[sullen basin]

oke

[wispy peak]

its a worse ttar yes but it does have some niches, what is worth mentioning is that tera flying makes no sense on it

tera grass can do some quag luring things to open up like non wood hammer mimikyus and stuff, tera bug has some really dangerous offensive power levels with loaded dice + pin missile

also wood hammer is definitely more sensible here and the default mimikyu option in general i feel, breaking hippo and quag is too good

but yea this team doesn't really work at all and needs more of an identity to it, are you going HO or are you going something more BOy? dd thorns + sd mmq is definitely a HO sorta route but the hippo and noiv really dont fit there (also noiv always wants roost anyway and boomburst is a bit pointless kinda on non specs sets anyway which have fallen out of favour)

thats the real first point of call when trying to rate something like this

there's other comments like AV making no sense on slither wing, not having rocks , the noiv set etc but yea work out what sorta playstyle you wanna take first and adjust for that

if you wanna be taking the more BO route you can make mmq work on that sorta stuff fine but you would want to be running a ttar and change your team up a bit, want some more defensive backbone and would lose the lokix and probably noivern, maybe the slither too etc

decide on a route you wanna take and then people can offer more advise tbh!

[worldly lintel]

Are there any SV UU sample teams?

[lean monolith]

The thread should be out soon for uu open

hopefully today

[worldly lintel]

Alright thanks

[lean monolith]

They’re out now! https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-uu-sample-teams.3720278/

[strange charm]

I have a question regarding the sample teams
Are we allowed to put our sample teams in the thread?

[wispy peak]

Yea you are allowed to submit sample teams that you think should be included

They may be moved to the bazaar if they aren’t approved tho

[strange charm]

I see
Thanks for meeting us know

[unique wren]

Is bulk up tauros or banded better and what tera should they be

Is grafaiai better as max hp or max attack

Is rotom heat better with max hp or spe att (both with speed and plot)

Is magnezone better with speed or hp if its specs or av

Thanks in advance for all your help

[hybrid vapor]

which tauros are you talking about? both can effectively use grass imo though; i think steel works on water for scream tail and mons like gardevior trying to revenge kill but it worsens the mu into quag a bit

[unique wren]

Aqua

[hybrid vapor]

grass then

[unique wren]

Banded or bu?

[hybrid vapor]

bu is the better set imo

can take advantage of physical attackers it switches into very often and consistently 1v1s them too

since that set tends to run more bulk

[hybrid vapor]

imo atk but hp makes it a better sponge/secondary check into decidueye gengar mimikyu etc

[hybrid vapor]

max speed max hp imo

[unique wren]

Ok and magnezone?

[hybrid vapor]

i havent used the mon much so i wouldnt know but i imagine hp / general bulk helps a lot more since its a better secondary check to stuff like mence, while specs would just want max speed max spatk modest (or timid if you need to outspeed slower mons)

[unique wren]

Ok thanks

[foggy swallow]

max hp max spatck is the normal av magnezone set

you can speed creep things though

but you always want max spatck

[shadow forum]

https://pokepast.es/e4e3fe2274119e2a if anyone could help/suggest any fixes for gen 7 UU tour team would be appreciated

[unique wren]

Adamant tsareena

And tbh id rather be max hp than max speed

Dont be iron fist on special infernape

[craggy hornet]

hello

[keen needle]

https://pokepast.es/4d21e5b3b09a4d65

uu team with gren

[proven parrot]

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[foggy swallow]

finally a team to rate

so to start off i think quagsire teams are pretty bad

(unless you run ttar or a wish mon on them)

[sullen basin]

wut why

[foggy swallow]

because you lose to special mence and other special threats

flyers

[sullen basin]

Hmm

[foggy swallow]

also the life orb scizor set is really just for hyper offense

on a bulkier team which i assume you are trying to make since tink and quag are there

i would make it the u turn close combat bullet punch sd set

with heavy duty boots

(its a smogon set)

another thing to look at is this sandy shocks set

im not a fan of choice locked sets because there is a ground type on every single team and flying types are super common so no matter what move you lock yourself into

they will have something on the opposing team to come in and abuse you

so i would change that to the heavy duty boots volt switch tbolt earth power spikes set

with tera ground

[foggy swallow]

back to this, i would swap quagsire for spdef gastrodon/hippowdon with heavy duty boots

probably hippowdon since you have a bit of a hard time into tyranitar right now

this can be your stealth rock setter and sandy shocks can be your spiker

i do not think you need tinkaton on this team because you already have scizor and it would just be a bit of a momentum sink i feel

onto talonflame

i think this team would be better without hazard removal if you just spam heavy duty boots, so maybe a tera water salamence could work better in this slot, it has a good quaquaval matchup aswell as beating opposing scizor pretty well, especially with sandy shocks as backup

now about greninja i am not sure if a choice specs set is the best idea? but im sure it can work out fine probably

if its not so good when you try the team out i would swap it for a heavy duty boots set with hydro pump ice beam u turn and spikes with heavy duty boots

[foggy swallow]

for a mence set run this

Salamence @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 100 HP / 156 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Hurricane
• Flamethrower
• Roost

im still thinking about what would be good in the last slot

[keen needle]

https://pokepast.es/2321b82f06449026
with all the suggestions now it looks like this

[foggy swallow]

oh i think hippo is probably better than gastro btw

and you can do max speed max special attack sandy shocks

the specs set has a wonky ev spread because it used to be used on sun teams

and wanted a speed boost in the sun from protosynthesis

[keen needle]

do i run sandstorm hippo or sand veil

[foggy swallow]

sandstorm

just use the smogon set probably

[keen needle]

do you think i could fit quaq in there

[foggy swallow]

ah! i think i know what would be a good last pokemon

hm quaq might be okay? but i think we definitely need a knock off user

i think cyclizar fits the bill pretty nicely

its a fast knock off user with u turn

[keen needle]

ah right

him

Cyclizar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Knock Off
• Rapid Spin
• U-turn

hows this for cyclizar

[foggy swallow]

im not sure we need rapid spin

you definitely want draco meteor

and probably overheat?

also i think you only need 176 speed

so you can put the rest into special attack

[keen needle]

Cyclizar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 80 SpA / 176 Spe
Timid Nature

• Knock Off
• Overheat
• U-turn
• Draco Meteor

so smt like this?

[foggy swallow]

mhm!

looks good to me

maybe tera steel though

[keen needle]

https://pokepast.es/7a680971eaa6d16e
alright this is how it looks now

[foggy swallow]

actually

sorry about this but

i think it works better if you swap hippowdon for scream tail and swap cyclizar for knock off decidueye

Scream Tail @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 52 Def / 208 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Wish
• Encore
• Protect
• Dazzling Gleam

this scream tail is faster than pawmot with the rest in bulk

Decidueye @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Long Reach
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Knock Off
• Leaf Blade
• U-turn
• Roost

and heres a decidueye set, outspeeds ttar and is just strong

@keen needle

[foggy swallow]

.

[keen needle]

hmm

will try that

thanks!

[foggy swallow]

no problem

hope it works out for ya

if you do that

make it stealth rocks sandy shocks and spikes boots greninja

[oak silo]

https://pokepast.es/4b1ee443538d4972
@foggy swallow
SVUU
Specifically wanted to build around Choice Band Gallade

[foggy swallow]

hm i dont think choice band gallade is so good

i feel like its a bit overkill and you want the speed tier of scarf

[wispy peak]

that or the like win-con of agility anyway if ur not gonna be running scarf

[foggy swallow]

because it already slices through the majority of the tier

^

[wispy peak]

LO attacks already slice the tier apart so u can easily just agility win

[foggy swallow]

right now this team gets kinda owned by hurricanes which is a bad thing in this tier

so i think maybe swapping gengar out for tinkaton could be good

then you are able to make your sandy shocks spikes too and gallade + spikes sounds broken

[foggy swallow]

leaf blade sacred sword psycho cut and knock off are the moves

im not sure about assault vest cyclizar i think boots is probably better

but it seems fine to run here

slowbro is running eject button? i would rather use rocky helmet or heavy duty boots on slowbro

here

[wispy peak]

that