NatDex OU Rates

[tame galleon]

like yeah screens are good but here they serve ??? purpose

zard X is a weird choice
especially with stuff like steel wing

ttar sitrus berry isn't a thing

that just does not happen

btw it can get pursuit in natdex

anyways i don't think the sand stream synergy is worth it here
but i may be off on that one

double rockers are redundant

other than that glis and exca are alright

now i think your main issue is ground types
cause nor ttar nor exca nor zard want to switch into EQ too much
and your only direct counter is Serperior

i'd say get an ice/water type or something

preferably a special attacker

uh i'll stop there

[ruby osprey]

Grimmsnarl's job is to get light screen then parting shot pivot either Charizard or Gliscor in to start doing damage. Tho or just straight up parting shot, bait a steel type move and get a resist for Charizard, which happens often. The Tyranitar and excadrill thing I found online but honestly isn't that good so I probably will drop him. It's just that choice band Tyranitar was causing more issues than good

But yeah I didn't even peep that I had no other special attacker users till now ngl, thank you

[ruby osprey]

Steel wing is for fairy/rock types and has worked surprisingly well

Tho I know roost instead is more common, especially cause of hazards but Excadrills whole job is to make that less likely to happen

[blazing moth]

click flare blitz

and/or eq

[tame galleon]

i'd bet on EQ more than flare blitz tbh

[tame galleon]

yeah but you're hyper reliant on exca

[ruby osprey]

Earthquake was something I ran until I kept getting baited with flying types but I just need to predict better probably

[tame galleon]

it's just that screens IIRC are a very specific thing that don't work with everything

what about switching them for a-ninetales ?

[hollow fern]

blitz does more to fairies btw

than steel wing

252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Steel Wing vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 176-208 (44.6 - 52.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 223-264 (56.5 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[tame galleon]

that means you gotta predict the switch ig ?

[tame galleon]

power of STAB ig

(who's leftovers ?)

[hollow fern]

theres so many things u could use instead, its really not worth the moveslot

[blazing moth]

also

[ruby osprey]

Primarina/Mega Diancie. Actually those 2 caused this whole steel wing over earthquake mess

[blazing moth]

use at least blaze kick xard

[ruby osprey]

Tho tbf, Serperior dropped the ball

So there's that

[blazing moth]

fire punch is trash

[hollow fern]

also id recommend removing the screens, this isnt really a team that cares about screens

[tame galleon]

oh wait i didnt even notice that

[ruby osprey]

How can you tell if a team cares about screens? I'm really new so I genuinely don't know lol

[hollow fern]

eq hits mdia

[tame galleon]

i mean he's RU or smth you can't expect him to carry the team

[tame galleon]

aggressivity

[hollow fern]

also

blitz does more

252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 223-264 (56.5 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Steel Wing vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 128-151 (35.1 - 41.4%) -- 77.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

oh wait why is the calc tweaking

ignore me

[ruby osprey]

UU and he carried in S/V OU but he also had tera fire so we're running into a lot of issues now lol

[hollow fern]

it calced blitz for clef

[tame galleon]

S/V OU is a mess and a whole different meta dude

[hollow fern]

still tho, its very much not the moveslot

[hollow fern]

you need to build your team around it, it needs to be a hyper offense team

[ruby osprey]

I'll switch to flare blitz, my only concern was offing my charizard

[tame galleon]

pack roost

[ruby osprey]

What's hyper offense exactly?

[tame galleon]

Screens + 5 setup sweepers

i think

[ruby osprey]

Oh 100%, way different team too for me

[blazing moth]

no fully defensive mons whatsoever

[hollow fern]

its a team archetype that revolves around winning with all out offense and disregarding defense

[blazing moth]

except your lead

can be weather or js 5 setup guys/breakers and a lead

[ruby osprey]

Should I drop Gliscor then? Cause it was either this, or be my only toxic user

Also I rarely get to swords dance so should I drop that too?

[tame galleon]

yes

[tame galleon]

i'd say yes and ditch ttar/exca as well

[blazing moth]

dont use both sd and toxic

choose one

[tame galleon]

but i'll wait for the others to confirm that

[hollow fern]

yeah id ditch sand

[ruby osprey]

Ohhh, yeah my S/V OU team was a lot of set up so grims entire job was making sure they wouldn't die while setting up. Hence the Assault Vest on Serperior. He just died too quickly without it

[hollow fern]

and just focus on screens

[tame galleon]

lowkey serious with the aninetales suggestion

[hollow fern]

exacly, screens help ur setup sweepers live to setup, then die while doing huge damage

[ruby osprey]

Well Excadrill RN is my hazard removal or else Charizard gets wiped via steal rock. Until there's a better mega pick

[tame galleon]

it gives quick screens, ice cover and shuts down weather

[tame galleon]

of course there are better mega picks

yard in itself is a better mega

but xard isn't terrible either

[hollow fern]

id recommend using terap or tusk instead, as they can both use setup and fit on hyper offense much better

[tame galleon]

just different

[hollow fern]

yard isnt better for screens tho

[ruby osprey]

I tried aura veil once but she died quick to steel moves. Any suggestions how to play around it or?

[tame galleon]

that's why i said different

[hollow fern]

dont lead with it if ur opponent has a sciz/ghold

[tame galleon]

doesn't stay in

[tame galleon]

that too

[ruby osprey]

I'll try Charizard Y, I just don't know a good moveset I guess

[hollow fern]

no keep it xard if u wanna use screens

otherwise youd have to completely restructure

[ruby osprey]

Just dies for aura veil?

[ruby osprey]

Oh gotcha

[hollow fern]

they mean switch out and dont let the steel move hit

[tame galleon]

exactly

[hollow fern]

hit ninetales i mean

[ruby osprey]

Who would I lead with then?

[tame galleon]

likely fire coverage

so charizard

[ruby osprey]

So wait, Tyranitar is likely getting kicked off

I know that much

[hollow fern]

depends on the matchup/how the team ends up, could be xard, could be a different setup sweeper who matches up well into what ur opponent has

[ruby osprey]

Are we kicking Grimm off?

[tame galleon]

it would also give you the opportunity to mega turn 1 and reduce the stealth rock weakness by 25%

[tame galleon]

waiting for hovercat's opinion

[hollow fern]

grim is fine, you could make it atales or zama if u really want but imo doesnt matter much

[ruby osprey]

So wait. Who's replacing Tyranitar then?

[hollow fern]

lol naw i dont have much experience with grimm in particular

[ruby osprey]

Only other pseudo I used was Dragapult with Sitrus berry to get off Dragon dance and begin sweeping

[hollow fern]

id recommend replacing exca with a tusk, then replacing glisc and ttar with other setup guys

[tame galleon]

it's fine dw

[hollow fern]

sadly pult is banned

so wont work here

[ruby osprey]

F r i c k

[tame galleon]

so currently your hypothetial new team would be comprised of Grimm/Xard/Serperior/Tusk

you need a ground immunity

[ruby osprey]

Should I try a different Serperior moveset? I see glare + substitute a lot but my issue is it relies a lot on getting lucky with paralysis

Which I don't like

[tame galleon]

thundurus or zapdos

[ruby osprey]

And then I lose my ability to hit anything

[tame galleon]

yeah subseed glare sounds more reliable

[ruby osprey]

I'll try it then

[tame galleon]

let me check smogon to be sure

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/4d58e069b061adc3

[ruby osprey]

I could try Zapdos

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

oops

but yeah id go subglare on serp

[tame galleon]

nevermind it doesn't have seed

[tame galleon]

two Z crystals when you could get hdb on torn ?

[hollow fern]

oops ghold could be like helm

just autofilled in the set

[tame galleon]

it's fine

[ruby osprey]

I really hate Ghold cause of how I started in S/V OU but I guess I can give him a shot

It was the same with Grimmsnarl but he grew on me

[hollow fern]

yeah gholds great on hyper offense

and just in general

best pokemon in natdex pretty soundly

[ruby osprey]

Is Zapdos still a good idea or nah, cause I do see the bird on a ton of teams that feature Xard and Serperior

Just don't really get what he's supposed to do

Other than Roost + Life orb his way to victory

[tame galleon]

zapdos is solid

[tame galleon]

life orb

who runs life orb zapdos ?

anyways it's a pivot

[ruby osprey]

I saw it once. Had Xard, Tapu lele, Lando-T, Greninja, and Ferrothorn

[hollow fern]

nah not on hyper offense

[tame galleon]

or a rain sweeper

[hollow fern]

zapdos doesnt really fit

[ruby osprey]

Wait why? Teach me lol

[tame galleon]

yeah goes without saying he's a bit too

[celest merlin]

Zapdos (Gen 9)

Typing

Electric / Flying

Abilities

0: Pressure | H: Static

Base Stats (BST: 580)

90 / 90 / 85 / 125 / 90 / 100

Weight

52.6 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[tame galleon]

there's just better out there

[hollow fern]

not a setup pokemon, mainly used for defensive purposes

[tame galleon]

his best flying stab is hurricane

[ruby osprey]

Gotcha. So due to keep serperior we 100% gotta go hyper offense?

[tame galleon]

not at all

[ruby osprey]

Also rq, thank you guys a ton for helping me, this is all really good stuff I never knew!

[tame galleon]

it's mostly screens

serperior itself uhh

i guess it can work with contrary ?

[tame galleon]

yw

[hollow fern]

Mainly just screens

Screens=hyper offense

[tame galleon]

but I mean you could do something else if you wanted to

just you'd have to rework way more stuff

[hollow fern]

Yeah

[ruby osprey]

Ohhhh, ok, yeah cause my only concern with hyper offense is if we get unlucky, we no defense were super cooked

But screens, ok

[hollow fern]

Yeah hyper offense aims to overwhelm with offensive pressure as opposed to anything sturdy

[ruby osprey]

Is there any good choice item users to consider?

[tame galleon]

there's a scarf serperior set

[hollow fern]

No, choice items are actually smth you wanna avoid on hyper offense

Mainly because you dont have anything to switch into whatever is exploiting your move slot

[tame galleon]

my bad then

[hollow fern]

For example with scarf serp, youre letting in mega charizard y for free without being able to switchin at all

Bulkier teams can afford to let that mon in and try again later

[ruby osprey]

Gotcha, so hyper offense. No choice items, max offensive stats, leave the defense to a screen setter like Grimmsnarl or Alolan Ninetales

[hollow fern]

Yeah, "defense" only to let ur mons setup

And click attacks

[ruby osprey]

Ok. Gotcha. I'll try to make a new team rq with all this new info and see if it works. Thoughts on Ceruledge?

[hollow fern]

Cerus good on hyper offense yeah, might be difficult to fit with xard tho

Also sry I gtg cant help much for now😓

[ruby osprey]

Mhm, that or maybe Hisuian Samurot for ceaseless edge

[hollow fern]

Good luck with ur team tho!

Hope it does well

[ruby osprey]

All good, I really appreciate it!

Genuinely this means a lot guys!!

[hollow fern]

Ofc!

[ruby osprey]

Good luck with the snow btw too lol

[hollow fern]

If you want resources id recommend looking at sample teams btw

[ruby osprey]

Gotcha, thank you!

[ruby osprey]

Is Dragonite a good option?

[tame galleon]

let me think

DD multiscale

maybe

[celest merlin]

Dragonite (Gen 9)

Typing

Dragon / Flying

Abilities

0: Inner Focus | H: Multiscale

Base Stats (BST: 600)

91 / 134 / 95 / 100 / 100 / 80

Weight

210 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[tame galleon]

yeah i can see it working

but i think it's unsual

[ruby osprey]

My only thinking is extremely speed being really helpful

Especially for revenge killing

[tame galleon]

if you want revenge killing why not pack valiant with dbond and vacuum wave

it's fast enough to handle the rest

or raging bolt

[ruby osprey]

I did use raging bolt a lot so probably. I'm gonna see how these guys go, gonna swap grimmsnarl for Ninetales and have my guys focused on offense rather than tryna live

[tame galleon]

that's the spirit

[ruby osprey]

Also probably put flare blitz back

[tame galleon]

good idea

[ruby osprey]

So Ninetales wasn't bad, kept screens longer than anyone else ngl, and roost is way better than I thought ngl, especially with Aura veil up

[neon kite]

https://pokepast.es/ba711172533ac31d
any improvements i could make?

[tame galleon]

i see bulky volc with hdb
try fiery dance + morning sun instead of roost/flamethrower
last move can be whatever you want
i dont see many ghold with ghostium Z
seeing how you already have very good offensive pressure i'd say maybe try a twave/hex/recover/make-it-rain set for support
and make bolt specs with draco meteor
if you want you can replace triple axel with return

i'd say that's all it already looks pretty solid

[tame galleon]

happy to hear that it worked

[neon kite]

why morning sun over roost

also should i keep ghostium on ghold?

[tame galleon]

cause i saw it more
and you can leech off sun teams even more

[tame galleon]

as I said I never saw a ghold with ghostium, people prefer fightium or steelium, but why not i guess

[neon kite]

yea just won against a sun team bc of morning sun healing me more

[tame galleon]

you got it

alright chat is it as bad as i think it is https://pokepast.es/6897b93b379fec99

[nocturne summit]

there is a stall bible

[tame galleon]

for real ?

where ?

[nocturne summit]

i'll send it in dms

[nocturne summit]

also the team is all over the place, no removal, no ground type, everything feels random

[tame galleon]

...maybe because it kinda is 😔

[simple geode]

Idk if gholdengo are ou but here

https://psim.us/t/1618929-wunkioitjkytgl36obq7

[blazing moth]

basically no structure

[ruby osprey]

https://pokepast.es/980ead1a5a7cb798 that is the original team, this is the improvement https://pokepast.es/6172bc3e336b1cb2 while a lot more fun and less frustrating, I'm so far losing more than I am winning. I was suggested Goldengo but wasn't sure where to fit him. And Dragonite is proving to just be way too slow even after a dragon dance. Very pleased with Mega Charizard X tho so far, same with Alolan Ninetales. Excadrill has done his role very well, only problem is staying power with Gliscor. Serperior ofc, my favorite pokemon, has been ok. Only issue is speed, so far not great and it's beginning to become clear I might just have to go all in on Speed to get Glare/Leech seeds off and call it a day. He was my most consistent sweeper in S/V OU but without fire tera I don't think it's possible anymore and he might need to just abuse those 2 moves, substitute and leftovers like other Serperior sets

[ruby moss]

im not at all qualified but i like ur teams designs they are all cool mons

[ruby osprey]

Yeah, currently lined up for replacement is Ceruledge, Blaziken, Goldengo, Hisuian Samurot, and Scizor

[ruby moss]

ooo

[hollow fern]

If you wanna keep glisc id definitely make it swords dance here

Also since the slot is open id make dragonite z instead of lefties

Gives it more power which really helps it break

Exca I defo dont think really fits here but if u wanna keep it id go sash rocks lead

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/2da83e3d74337124
https://pokepast.es/ae779d0d7988c967
which one is better?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

latios

but drop aura sphere for cm

[nocturne summit]

isn't latias better bc it's tanker?

[potent furnace]

latios is better at breaking

their bulk is comparable enough to not really matter in most cases

[nocturne summit]

ok then other then that is there any holes I'm not seeing?

[white halo]

That charizard set is weird

Why the steel wing

Also why fire punch

[white halo]

It’s pretty much the same thing

[ruby osprey]

Well there is a new set https://pokepast.es/6172bc3e336b1cb2

That's the improvement but Dragonite sort of did nothing for the team

And Serperior is gonna get reworked a little. Doing some testing with other mons but it still remains the same that Stall continues to piss me off

[white halo]

Ah my char x set is typically blaze kick and earthquake rather than blitz and roost

[sonic swan]

have these teams as of rn as a vgc doubles player and was wondering for opinions (havent touched singles since USUM)

[hidden osprey]

ok so the thing with screens/ho in general is that you need setup on basically every mon to poke holes in your oppos team so its easier to sweep with your main wincon, nothing can be passive
this doesnt do that well, in fact the whole team gets lead 6-0d by tox molt
so you need to drop exca gliscor ninetales
change dnite set to either fly z or drag z (fly is probably better here ngl), make xard eq>roost, add a cm hatt because you have dual rocks weak mons, make ninetales a screens zama, then add a steel

[hidden osprey]

these are interesting, probably the rain is best if you drop glimm and sini for a torn and a z overquil

which is the sample actually lol

[sonic swan]

so far my best win rate wise out of 25 games (each) was ttar and garde

the reason i have Z over 2 is cause in tr teams in double i like having 1 fast mon in caser i no longer have tr access or need to ko a speedy mon to set up

[hidden osprey]

whats the point of tauros outside of intimidate?

[sonic swan]

fire coverage (defensive wise) and close combat

having intimidate helps a bit

also cause i felt like i needed a fighting type and im not comfy on zama (even in doubles)

also helps against other corvs cause of fire type attacks

[hidden osprey]

whats your plan for wellspring for every team but the sun and rain

[sonic swan]

Garde:
252 SpA Pixilate Gardevoir-Mega Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring: 217-256 (72 - 85%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (not counting spikes damage and corviknight switching in to take a hit prior)

sand:
clodsire - water absorb and power whip only does 84 at most with out sd
+4 252+ Def Orthworm Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 359-423 (119.2 - 140.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO also an option

tr:
212+ SpA Life Orb Adaptability Porygon-Z Uproar vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring: 291-343 (96.6 - 113.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO (if tr goes up)
+2 252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 1 ally fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 328-387 (108.9 - 128.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

gargancl is just salt cure stall

i also run vs mega manectric cause it felt nice against ogerpoin but if im on incin i usually get intimidate up and let faint or switch out then switch back in to get neutral on sd or -2

though garde and clod have been really nice into shifus and ogerpons

252 Atk Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Ceaseless Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 160-190 (53.1 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

also outspeeds pon

so i can get easy damage on it

[tame galleon]

okay i'll be back someday

[blazing moth]

huh? 😭

[tame galleon]

with structure

[wispy pivot]

Where should I post this in fourums

[blazing moth]

what's "this"

[wispy pivot]

I mostly use the website

(Mostly because I wrote enough words I’d have to separate the stuff so discord doesn’t max character limit

[blazing moth]

i still dk what exactly ur talking abt but ok

if you mean you wanna post nd teams in forums you have the nd team bazaar and the rmt forums in "sv other teams"

you really dont have to drop much yap for either

though rmt forums have some must haves

[dire drum]

https://pokepast.es/53a3eb6b3cce28d0 i like the ttar/urshifu/lele core on this team but i think i need to change some of the other stuff

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dire drum]

garchomp is good too and im mainly just using mola cuz its like a catch all defensive switch in for most things

ive used like 4 different mons in the 6th slot tho and none of them really feel great

[blazing moth]

ttar+pagos is antisinergy

[dire drum]

i tried using tusk but it didnt feel right

maybe i can try booster attack or something instead

[blazing moth]

yeah dont use these together youre breaking your own shell

tusk is fine tho

i think you prefer switching the choiced guys here

lele is much better with specs and vice versa

[dire drum]

specs lele and scarf urshifu?

[blazing moth]

yes

[dire drum]

yeah i dont do great into scarf urshifu

should i switch garchomp for something else or leave lele as my only special attacker

oh i was using scarf lele cuz of zama

[blazing moth]

lele is fine as ur only special guy so long as it's specs

lele doesn't need scarf go check zama too

u take everything fairly well short term

u also have a mola

this also has no ground immunity

you could use a torn/molt here

[dire drum]

over tusk?

how do i beat volcarona

[blazing moth]

um yea sure

[blazing moth]

mola

icl ttar kinda doing nothing here

[dire drum]

yea

[blazing moth]

can you show me your 6 rn

[dire drum]

https://pokepast.es/c7d979043e6e520f

[blazing moth]

right

chomp and ttar both wanna set rocks here

using a ttar just means you don't have a steel while at it

i think you go for a ghold/kgb/melm/sciz/heatran over ttar here

I'd probably either go kgb or ghold

but any of these steels work

[dire drum]

i could use av gambit maybe

doesnt gambit not really work with lele tho

[blazing moth]

not really needed

[blazing moth]

it's not ideal but it's doable

if you dont want it you can go gholdengo or something else though

u turn sciz is pretty interesting here too

if you have molt you can also try a samurott

https://pokepast.es/48a9739590371d6a
https://pokepast.es/b22140ec87bc54e8 i think you go with something along the lines of these

[empty olive]

somethings wrong w this can't tell what tho

https://pokepast.es/2fbd1b3d294206f7

https://pokepast.es/d93e3e431d70eab6

this too

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

on a second note this team is old but reviewing it, I'm thinking about clod > gliscor

https://pokepast.es/64563fd6d732838c

I feel like the unaware is really key for things like gholdengo and also helps against fini too

only issue is it gets rid of my main knock absorber, and although skarm and clef r still p good back up I'm not too convinced yet

[tough nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/ac0d0a21320d4e1a

[celest merlin]

Hey @tough nacelle, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[astral belfry]

https://pokepast.es/f90e60d1dfcc039e

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

weather ball>earth power venu, will o wisp>body press torkoal, ice spinner>bulk up on tusk, dragon z>leftovers bolt, scorching sands>focus blast yard
lastly you could also give av hatt a try

[visual tartan]

https://pokepast.es/ed3d6fbca0a5541c
Pretty trash, just threw some mons i liked in cuz idk what else to do

[dreamy steppe]

Sludge over earth power?

[wild nest]

https://pokepast.es/99b1a3f4063bf228

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

these mons really dont fit on webs, none of them really value the speed

and if you're aiming for a hyper offense team u gotta use more setup

[wild nest]

Suggestions?

[hollow fern]

tbh this team is really all over the place and some of these mons dont fit+nothing on here is good removal which is very good for both mega beedrill and focus sash users

with minimal adjustments id make garchomp a loaded dice scale shot set, id make gren a lorb battle bond set, and id go z+cm on koko

but as it stands these mons don't really have much cohesiveness

[tacit urchin]

What do you guys think? https://pokepast.es/645cb23ffa088682

[flat obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/1fec76e3931ad197

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[flat obsidian]

How is this?

@limber crypt

[limber crypt]

I think you should look at a sample team, most ofvthese guys are unviqble and theres very little synergy even if theres a dfs core, scep and azu just kinda suck too

[tough nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/ac0d0a21320d4e1a

[celest merlin]

Hey @tough nacelle, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[tame galleon]

i think gardevoir fares better with moonblast and fire coverage, maybe sacred fire ?

kommo-o is alright

so is toxapex

actually all of your sets seem good, except maybe scarf lando with defog

as for weaknesses well if gardevoir falls you're at the mercy of any physical wall

weavile could use low kick or something actually

and i'd really switch lando to a bulky attacker while keping defog

[tough nacelle]

hyper voice is fairy whit mega

[tame galleon]

i wasn't sure if it was, thanks

well then it works

but do get the fire coverage

[tough nacelle]

ok

ty

[tame galleon]

it's more reliable than focus blast

[tame galleon]

yw

[tame galleon]

https://pokepast.es/9271fddc3fde6af7

i fixed it

[visual tartan]

https://pokepast.es/24cef74b73c96bdd
Kinda ass, just threw together some mons i like

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[flat obsidian]

well idk what "unviqble" and"dfs" mean but i wanted to win with sceptile mega as its my fav so yea i did that , any advice for that?

also yea i will look at sample HO teams

[tame galleon]

dude no need to be mean he just made a typo

anyways what he's saying is you have sceptile, azumarill, rotom-h and amoonguss, all of which are mid or situational at best

if you want to build around sceptile you gotta take viable (understand OU/UUBL) mons that carry him and negate his weaknesses

cause as is this team is just 4 mons with heatran and tusk hanging around

[blazing moth]

dfs is dragon/fairy/steel

anyways

[blazing moth]

this is pretty messy there's no knock off user nor hazard control yet this is isnt ho and sets are kinda all over the place with the stuff like iron head mawile, air slash jugulis, sludge wave gking and no speed gholdengo

[tame galleon]

why are iron head mawile and air slash jugulis wrong ?

[blazing moth]

hurricane is better

[tame galleon]

hurricane can miss

[blazing moth]

and iron head doesn't do shit for mawile

[tame galleon]

air slash has a chance to flinch and 95% acc

[tame galleon]

what else am i supposed to run ? Bullet punch ?

[blazing moth]

yeah who rly cares this thing aint lasting 2 secs anyways might as well make it count

[tame galleon]

actually

[blazing moth]

and air slash is trash no flying type uses it

[blazing moth]

knock off

[tame galleon]

it works well enough

[tame galleon]

no stab

[blazing moth]

and?

[tame galleon]

fym "and" ?

[blazing moth]

iron head is a terrible stab

[tame galleon]

i need stab tho

[blazing moth]

dont use it it doesn't hit anything

[tame galleon]

i'm not relying on play rough

[blazing moth]

you have one

[tame galleon]

goes neutral on most things iirc

[tame galleon]

it's play rough 😭

[blazing moth]

it has like 7 resists

[tame galleon]

out of a 17 types chart

it works no ?

[blazing moth]

literally hits harder than iron head btw

[tame galleon]

yeah but what if miss 😭

[blazing moth]

yeah that around half and the thing you hit se are bad and die to knock (infinitely better for utility and an actually good offensive type) or play rough

[tame galleon]

fine i'll try it

[blazing moth]

if this is all you have to say idk what to tell atp but you'd much rather risk a low chance of missing on a way better move then using a bad one and doing 30 to a zapdos

iron head also means ur walled by steels much easier now

[tame galleon]

ah wait you're right i have no cc and no ice beam

aw

[blazing moth]

honestly jist sack the walls get a lead and make that team an ho

it's not that far from that at this point you have like 3 setup mons

[tame galleon]

yeah so about buzzwole setting up

i can't

[hollow fern]

From a defensive standpoint this folds to quite a lot

[blazing moth]

yea bulk up buzz is bad i js didn't wanna change it bc it seems like the teams built around it

you can just put some creens behind it and ball

you can do that w js abt anything atp but yea

that's probably the best way to use it

and dont try to make it stick around w drain punch maybe, probably just go cc and get ot to actually have some kills

[tame galleon]

he does get kills already tho

darkest lariat carries hard

[tame galleon]

yeah but usually i can manage with something like mawile sucker punch comeback or sack chomp into jugulis so...

[tame galleon]

would assault vest + eq work ?

[blazing moth]

if you want a defensive set just use like roost and 3 attacks

[hollow fern]

I mean if ur answer defensively is sacking a pokemon, that doesnt seem like a very solid backbone

[tame galleon]

look uhhh

[tame galleon]

he gets roost ?

[blazing moth]

yes

[tame galleon]

good idea actually

thanks

[blazing moth]

sure ig

dont do that set if you go with screens though

[tame galleon]

alright

[visual tartan]

https://pokepast.es/24cef74b73c96bdd

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

This feels kinda all over the place ngl

No ground, lotta weird mons, questionable sets

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/260f6d7a20f93596 is there any saving this

[thorny pier]

Is the sun sample team viable?

[tame galleon]

get an actual physical breaker and maybe we'll be talking imho

[tame galleon]

if it's a sample team it's likely

[thorny pier]

https://pokepast.es/1b85e2d01a57e78d

its pretty mediocre tbh

[signal dust]

https://pokepast.es/5b45537ae8bc67ed help me fix this

[nocturne summit]

to be fair I thought of something that can set up while also be able to hand woger

maybe sd rilla

[tame galleon]

rilla is a situational check IMO

for woger uhh

lowkey scizor

or melmetal with thunder punch i guess

[dense zinc]

https://pokepast.es/78edc7a82d50807e
https://pokepast.es/d51e5c434c944d82
v1 or v2.,,.,

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[calm timber]

https://pokepast.es/2a6de06052dc3f92

im kinda bad at making teams so i just chose pokemon that i liked+were legal+ arent absolute dogshit

i think i kinda just get fucked by fire types once shifu is down

[wanton shadow]

https://pokepast.es/1f7ed8812c7ac8a1

need to look for a tank to switch out when i volt switch with zera

and probably a victini counter aswell

and not using alomolola

cinder/gliscor usually takes care of melmetal

[gaunt stirrup]

This team is rather unviable

in natdex OU

[gaunt stirrup]

These sets are really wack and some mons don’t fit tg in this team archetype

Like Lati should have recover

and if you want tinkaton that set isnt the way to go

You also lack heavy speed control

[gaunt stirrup]

Both teams are strong but I dont get

the random slowking G with an AV

Slowking G works

but not AV

it should be a pivot like your other two mons

[dense zinc]

yea i was contemplating on it

[gaunt stirrup]

First team is also offensive while second is bulky offense

which I’d prefer the second one a lot more

[dense zinc]

initially i wanted it so i don't giga die to kyu

[calm timber]

what should i chnge?

[gaunt stirrup]

You still do relatively fine

with norm Slowking G

[dense zinc]

chilly recep glowking it is

[gaunt stirrup]

Psychic noise just hard counters Kyurem with sub tect

and if it’s specs well

you have two flying types

[gaunt stirrup]

Well use standard sets first of all

[calm timber]

im open to changing tinkaton to smt else

[gaunt stirrup]

Urshifu should be scared

scarfed

[gaunt stirrup]

The Tinkaton isn’t the change required

it’s def the clod though

just sits and does nothing

fits on stall, not this

[dense zinc]

nothing much else to change no?

jus glowking

[gaunt stirrup]

Think so but I’ll take a look again after helping this guy more

[dense zinc]

aight

[gaunt stirrup]

Anyhow, swap Clod to a slowking G and make Corvi a phys def pivot set

I dont know why you made Corvi offensive

Tinkaton should be air balloon

with rocks

[calm timber]

for slowking what should my set be

[gaunt stirrup]

again, standard

just look at the standard sets on smogon

[calm timber]

which

[gaunt stirrup]

The pivot set

just chilly sludge bomb

fsight

all that

[gaunt stirrup]

in v2 I could see a change to Zap

Because you have no steel

You also probably don’t want

3 flying types

[dense zinc]

this is true

[gaunt stirrup]

Which I only counted 2 but now 3

I’d say Pecharunt but you have a slowking G

[calm timber]

is flip turn on latios viable

[gaunt stirrup]

You usually want recover and imo you need it for Zard Y

but it is viable

I think you need something over Zap or Lando and make Diancie 4a

Because with spikes you can lose momentum if you defog them away

[dense zinc]

would heatran over lando and pech over glowk work?

[gaunt stirrup]

And 4a hits the entire tier

[gaunt stirrup]

No due to the fact that you have no spdef pivot and Tran can be a momentum sink, it’s a good pivot for more offensive teams though
Just feels like it invites in Zard Y with scorching sands

Or Garchomp

[dense zinc]

fair

[gaunt stirrup]

Again I think swapping Lando to another ground is better

Likely Treads

[dense zinc]

treads or tusk

prob treads

[gaunt stirrup]

Treads Zap Gking has a good defensive core

and Treads having good speed with knock off helps with rocks

and you could run hp ice if you feel the need to remove defog now that you have a Treads

Or change Treads set to something with rocks 3a

Although I like HP ice Zapdos for Glis

[dense zinc]

which treads spread do i rock?

the max hp spd or the max spe atk one

[gaunt stirrup]

I always run my custom sets which outspeed either Crown or Kyurem with the rest in spdef and hp

but you can really do whatever

Imo spdef is better

Even max hp max speed

Actually having speed on this team is strong you maybe like max hp + speed
I personally think max atk treads is a fraud so yeah

[dense zinc]

i could rock max hp max spe

[gaunt stirrup]

That should work

[dense zinc]

https://pokepast.es/d5090de2f4f9640b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense zinc]

t

forgot chatot

tyty

[gaunt stirrup]

Team looks fine now

Nice job

[calm timber]

anyone else able to help

i kinda wanna change volcarona or tinka but idk

[blazing moth]

needs speed control and clodsire is very bad here

[calm timber]

wait

i changed it

i forgot to send updated ver

hold on

https://pokepast.es/299b495bee3a3bf6

this

[blazing moth]

ok that's better

still needs hazard control and now a ground type

I'd go iron treads over tinkaton that mons ass

and give latios mystical fire over thunder and draco meteor/aura sphere/ice beam over flip turn

[gaunt stirrup]

Do yk where to get the standard sets

[blazing moth]

hp ground volcarona too

[calm timber]

yes

[gaunt stirrup]

Including for Mega Lati?

[calm timber]

ye

[gaunt stirrup]

Alr

[blazing moth]

and probably some sort of mola counter over corv

[gaunt stirrup]

Prolly Zap

[calm timber]

should i use recover or roost

[gaunt stirrup]

Zap can para nd hit hard w discharge/volt

[calm timber]

recover so i dont get grounded/

[gaunt stirrup]

For Lati?

It doesn’t matter really

[blazing moth]

this doesn't counter mola

[calm timber]

ye

[gaunt stirrup]

roost doesn’t ground you

[calm timber]

huh?

[gaunt stirrup]

Only grounds flying types

[calm timber]

oh

[gaunt stirrup]

not levitating guys

[calm timber]

ok nvm

[blazing moth]

doesn't matter

[gaunt stirrup]

it punishes flip tho?

and can still chunk it?

AV is annoying ig

[blazing moth]

para is like the most middling status for mola though

[gaunt stirrup]

para still a bitch to get tho

Like

[blazing moth]

and vswitch bounces right off of av

[gaunt stirrup]

yeah av is a problem tho

bc the thing is mirror coat is free

unless u have uturn mirror coat is free against this entire team

[blazing moth]

yeah zap doesn't help w mola ever

esp when ur alr this checked by it

just go for a ferro or woger or something

something that just exploits it being passive

[calm timber]

woger?

[blazing moth]

ogerpon-wellspring

[calm timber]

that cannot be a real pokemon

[blazing moth]

?

what

[calm timber]

huh

gen 9?

[blazing moth]

yes gen 9

[calm timber]

o]

[gaunt stirrup]

🧍‍♂️

[blazing moth]

anyways you can try a pecharunt over gking too

pivot or np if u wanna counter mola and leave a more free slot over the corv

[gaunt stirrup]

Think they can run spdef treads and Pech?

with probably Wogerpon over Corvi

[sharp gust]

Courtchange Cinderace would fit more with his team no

[gaunt stirrup]

Over what?

[sharp gust]

I woud switch out tinkaton tbh

[blazing moth]

yeah why not

seems pretty normal to me

[blazing moth]

well you'd still need a ground a rocker like that

but that's fair

[covert dome]

Old screenshot but i replaced lash out with foul play on HoopaU

Is it good

Oh nvm wrong chat

💔

[steady mesa]

Rate my team guys and help me optimise it (lets be clear those are my favorite mons, i dont really care about meta but still i want them to be viable at least a bit and synergize them together)

https://pokepast.es/b159af87abc5a0d2

[blazing moth]

no speed control

I'll bsfr i dont think there's any saving to this without at least one replacement or two because rn you just die to any ground and have no hazard control

you could try ballon delphox, not that it'll solve much but it's like the best you can do

[calm timber]

https://pokepast.es/96b3e7627fcb9f27

oops sorry forpinging

i decided to run melemetal over tinkaton and woger over corv

[hollow fern]

This has no ground type, rocks setter, or removal

And banded melm doesn't really fit on teams outside of trick room

[calm timber]

ok true

[hollow fern]

Especially since here its ur steel type

[calm timber]

ye

should i add like...

lando?

ground type rocks setter?

[hollow fern]

You could go treads>melmetal

And then get a better ground immune/shifu answer

Maybe over wellspring

If u wanted to you could keep melm and go lando>wellspring ig

You'd have to go fog+rocks which im personally not a fan of

[calm timber]

treads?

[hollow fern]

Iron treads

[calm timber]

mf that just a rich donphan

[hollow fern]

Ye its a steel type

Had to buy that somehow

[steady mesa]

In a first place i used garchomp as a hazard stacker with spikes instead of protect and dragon tail instead of toxic (idk if its relevant tho). Who would you suggest me to replace then and for which role?? I was thinking to change delphox for maybe between tornadus T , corviknight, latias, tapu fini or greninja

https://pokepast.es/8316ca1cf83d792d
Even if i'd rather keep the first team this is a second backup team i did in case of (in which is possible i think to make few changes like
-Mega gardevoir to mega mawile
-greninja to meowscarada
-aegislash to iron valiant
-tapu fini to umbreon)

[calm timber]

mf just went to an apple store

[wanton shadow]

huh

[dense zinc]

https://pokepast.es/65e833650d7be68b who can be 6th slot,.,.,.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense zinc]

and what can i change if ever

[gaunt stirrup]

everything below zeraora is either unviable or has an unviable set

maybe other than galar moltres

which is on the wrong team for this

[gaunt stirrup]

side note we rate complete teams but I’ll try to help

[celest merlin]

Lopunny-Mega (Gen 9)

Typing

Normal / Fighting

Abilities

0: Scrappy

Base Stats (BST: 580)

65 / 136 / 94 / 54 / 96 / 135

Weight

28.3 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[gaunt stirrup]

feels like zard X is brutal for the team

One fire resist and it’s Alo that gets dragon clawed or even roosted on

I like Lando more than Treads here

I think 4a Lele or psyshock over cm with plot Ghold is better

with a Zapdos as the last slot

[dense zinc]

https://pokepast.es/c50ba864923a6509

like this?

[gaunt stirrup]

Yeah

Kyurem is a bit hard defensively but Lele can always tank and hit hard as fuh

and Alo usually always tanks one min

yeah recover ghold helps a lot too

[blazing moth]

imo zama>over mlop you're not even packing u turn so lop js straight up worse here

also play rough mola here

you coul also try an ogerpon/np torn here bc we're fried by av mola rn

https://pokepast.es/bf2573eb0364a286
https://pokepast.es/77ff51f865f82ac3
you can try these

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gaunt stirrup]

the second one

struggles with Pech besides one mon

[blazing moth]

ion really see how you just go mola and flip to lele always

and treads takes pivot pech pretty easily too

np you just be careful to not give too much turns but you're fine

[celest merlin]

Hey @north helm, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexdoubles team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[gaunt stirrup]

didn’t see treads

but alo just gets poisoned

[fickle harbor]

So I don't play natdex much, but I've been having fun with this zygarde 10% team on the ladder. I'm usually at 1400-1500. Lmk if I could improve anything!
https://pokepast.es/0701e265b4047f37

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[steady mesa]

@limber crypt can you help me with my team pls?
https://pokepast.es/b159af87abc5a0d2
In a first place i used garchomp as a hazard stacker with spikes instead of protect and dragon tail instead of toxic (idk if its relevant tho). Who would you suggest me to replace then and for which role cuz someone already told me i have no speed and hazard control?? I was thinking to change delphox for maybe between tornadus T , corviknight, latias, tapu fini or greninja

https://pokepast.es/8316ca1cf83d792d
Even if i'd rather keep the first team this is a second backup team i did in case of (in which is possible i think to make few changes like
-Mega gardevoir to mega mawile
-greninja to meowscarada
-aegislash to iron valiant
-tapu fini to umbreon)

[gaunt stirrup]

Looks p weak to things like idef Za and MLop after Val loses booster

You have temporary switch ins but

not reliable

[storm comet]

I'm trying to use this old sample

https://pokepast.es/d3cd08bf819c8bd6

Need help with changes so it can be viable in ladder, peaked 1600 and then went on a loss streak, it's not very consistent against stall and certain balance team

My goal is to make it to ladder with it so I don't want to change all the pokemon but I want it to be more consistent overall

I didn't make the team entirely i just found it online

@limber crypt

I'm sorry I don't know who to ping

[storm comet]

For context i had this team taken from the samples thread a long time ago and saved it on my phone, I really want to see how far I can take it

Using the same mons because I like them all

[visual tartan]

https://pokepast.es/24cef74b73c96bdd how can I make my team better? be brutally honest

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

can some1 review this one

[hollow fern]

Tbh this team is really all over the place and uses a lot of weird mons without much synergy

The team also has some fundamental issues, like missing resistances to key types or answers to meta pokemon, as well as missing stuff like a ground type or speed control

As it stands I dont think this team can really be saved without basically becoming a new team entirely

[blazing moth]

sets are pretty messy like no hp fire magnezone/1 attack scizor and these guys have basicilly no sinergy with each other except for magnezone possibly killing corv for like dnite

[visual tartan]

Damn i aint know it was THAT bad

[slate gale]

Kinda wanted to be silly well ik Greninja and zama kinda work, Moltres is like fine? Like it's okay same I kinda feel about clefable tho probably should put something else apart from the encore.
https://pokepast.es/ef2416779f2a1bb1

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[slate gale]

Mainly wanna wanna know what would work better with Greninja and Clefable

[gaunt stirrup]

defog and hazard stack IS NOT the way to go

Feels like you could just make this boots spam

You also don’t have a ghost

Think you could keep this core

but use boots Za

and air balloon nasty plot Ghold

[slate gale]

oke

[slate gale]

better like more bulky ghold or more attacking btw?

[gaunt stirrup]

Offensive

Your team is extremely bulky

Same with big dog Za

[slate gale]

oki

[gaunt stirrup]

Also probably want roar over hurricane

on Molt

And knock on Clef over encore

with Gliscor having knock off too over Defog

[slate gale]

yeah, but leave roar on zama too?

[gaunt stirrup]

Nah

Offensive Za likes 4a

Stone edge CC Crunch Heavy Slam

I’m thinking that you could potentially replace Moltres for a check against Woger

But I think if you play the matchup well u might be fine

2 protect users with toxic helps

Just don’t miss toxic or pray no horn leech

[slate gale]

fair ig

[waxen wave]

https://pokepast.es/295c83a1350108b4

Hi i wanted to use this team from the nd bazaar but zamazenta crowned is banned now, can anyone suggest a team thats similar to this without zamazenta c

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[patent phoenix]

zam normal then

[gaunt stirrup]

Just use normal big dog Za over Crowned and Treads over Tusk if you want a steel

Also you’re not using a single boots mon

which is the most gambling thing ever

Just make Treads/Tusk boots

[dense stratus]

https://pokepast.es/0ecd92e315cb1fcb

Tested in mid ladder, didn't do that bad tbh

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense stratus]

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Scorching Sands vs. 252 HP / 248+ SpD Assault Vest Heatran: 164-196 (42.4 - 50.7%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO this is why av

[gaunt stirrup]

Imo make Corvi the pivot and put defog on Gliscor

That way Corvi actually can break balloon on Ghold or do something other than eat shit vs ghosts

[empty olive]

kind of a death sentence

no goods outs vs offense other than pray they can't break you and you have a significantly worse defensive backbone than stall

and ur sets r weird, av tran isn't a thing, if you want better outs against yard choose a good dragon or water, av mola, mlati, even stuff like ttar can work

same thing with scor, you want either roost or protect or else ur prolly overloading it

mola also wants protect if its wish

those are just general stuff, for just some more specifics off the top of my head you outright lose to z torn (esp if z fight), pinsir, arguably offense msciz (although technically you have an out it's just you have to get pretty lucky or play EXTREMELY well), sd shifu if it carries spinner, technically volcanion but that's not really common at all, z ledge, basically any wallbreaker.

[slate gale]

https://pokepast.es/8cdbfe221934c915 I really wanna have like clafable, Greninja and Moltres on this,call it stupidity or something but I really wanna leave them here. Now about other three mons I am not so sure they like 100% compatable. So what I should change them for or in them to make it better?

[celest merlin]

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[upbeat arch]

strengths:

hazard stack rly helps gallade break
defensive core of terap, alo and gliscor is solid
gambit knock support and cleaning works well w gallade
z torn is rly strong

weaknesses:

struggle v stall mu/mega sableye - hard for gambit and lade
terap as a spinner is iffy
sun mu is hard, alo can only swap in once
hazard weak

https://pokepast.es/47ce5425ff9ebde0

[empty olive]

glis needs a recovery move, prot/roost over one of the hazards (prolly spikes) or toxic (don't do this)

torn set is super weird

prolly change that for more standard breaker torn with heat wave (not needed on breaker but helps ur mu vs ghold and sciz) and plot

and if you don't want to replace gallade bc it's the feature mon I get that but otherwise zama outclasses gallade here

if you wanted to try to make it work you'd prolly want a sd set at the minimum

[slate gale]

Please some help?

[hollow fern]

This looks really passive in my opinion, and some of these sets are wonky like no moonblast on clef and ghold being offensive here despite being the team's steel type

I think fundamentally i struggle to see how this team supports gren in breaking

Also theres no electric immune or electric resist despite multiple weaknesses

[twilit schooner]

hi, i wanna know if this team is good

https://pokepast.es/3e35f2dccdc6e72a

[slate gale]

So this would be better? https://pokepast.es/dd4bae185eeaa6a4

[hollow fern]

yes this looks less passive but also u have no speed control, no good answer to gambit, and no ogerpon switchin

[slate gale]

Yeah true but it's hard to juggle 3 mons

[slate gale]

do you think wish and protect on Clefable will be better than encore and soft boiled?

[hollow fern]

Keep soft boiled and replace encore with moonblast

Not having an attack is meh

[slate gale]

yeah fair

[hollow fern]

Ye but still tho

[slate gale]

true true, just i def would need either mola or other wisher here probably to keep alive and most likely ghold, thus gliscor is only good option to put there as immunity

[hollow fern]

Why do you need alo?

/a wish user

[slate gale]

well easier pivot

[hollow fern]

But it doesnt mean you need to use it

Ur already pretty restricted in slots

[slate gale]

oke

[slate gale]

where do i write it ? i just tried in bot and in a chat room but cant or nothing is happening-

[blazing moth]

write what

[slate gale]

/a wish user this thing i assumed its like a ommand to check for popular or viable wish users

[hollow fern]

Naw

I meant like

Why do you need alo or a wish user?

With the slash just adding onto the thought

[slate gale]

ah

well i think wish user not directly alo

[slate gale]

i feel like ust one would be best

cuz of team like this

[hollow fern]

But why?

Nothing on here really benefits from wish

Basically every pokemon already has a way to heal itself

[slate gale]

hm i suppose but like in last match i played it really helped cuz otherwise i would lose

[hollow fern]

Well if the team is working for you, then go with what works

I just think this team has a lot of fundamental issues and trying to slot on wish makes handling those issues harder

[slate gale]

fair but to what change it then?

[hollow fern]

I dont think theres one clean replacement that fixes these issues

The closest u can get is prolly zama instead of alo

For speed and dark resist plus helping with ogerpon wellspring a little bit

[slate gale]

hm oke

[slate gale]

apart from that gliscor and ghold should stay or there are better options now that alo isnt here?

[hollow fern]

Gliscor and ghold are probably fine here ig

[slate gale]

this zama set best?
Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Crunch
• Stone Edge
• Heavy Slam

[blazing moth]

ice fang>slam but yea

[slate gale]

really why ice fang better?

[blazing moth]

lamdorus

[slate gale]

oki

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/748946a9d297f7be hazard stack team struggle quite a bit against rain any improvments would be welcomed

[celest merlin]

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[cloud flume]

https://pokepast.es/c2b66301b4946ec5 Its a dual sweeper, old team i lowk havent played showdown in a while

[dense zinc]

https://pokepast.es/3932ef74e81e53a4 wanted to give mgarde a go,.,.

[celest merlin]

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[dense zinc]

mgarde really is a mon of all time

alo feels a lil off and scarf fog lando,.,.,.

idk thoe

[nocturne summit]

volc is eating the team alive

oh wait the motlres is spd

volc is still annoying tho for the rest of your team

[celest merlin]

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[tame galleon]

ghostium > steelium

kingambit doesn't like speed investments

also no hazard control

and you could replace stone edge with iron defense or bulk up maybe

[dense zinc]

true,,,,

even woger

[nocturne summit]

actually to be fair steelium isn't bad really, at 2+ it can break ting and gambit, also wdym by no hazard control? tusk is there and the team isn't even that weak to hazards

[gaunt stirrup]

not true, gambit likes max speed with low kick sets
although running this set should be max hp

alo should not be running liquidation

it can run a lot better utility

scald is better

you have no tspike user, use boots tusk

tbh I like gking a lot more than Alo

M Lati > Gambit too

wincon is nice but you also need a check to mzard

that doesnt get fried in two weather balls

[gaunt stirrup]

Moltres should HEAVILY be roar, Moth is going to set up with roost qd

or just gamble on your misses

[dense zinc]

everytime someone battles me they become the luckiest person on the planet

[gaunt stirrup]

Woger is manageable but I really don’t like Alo on this team

[dense zinc]

yea alo felt omega off

i was wondering who to slot over alo

[gaunt stirrup]

Imo you could do smth like a reverse zap gking treads core in Pech Molt and Ferro

[dense zinc]

i could do pech

[gaunt stirrup]

the gliscor matchup is ASS ngl

[dense zinc]

np or pivot thoe.,,.

[dense zinc]

also true

[gaunt stirrup]

pivot

I think

Gambit can be replaced

Either gambit or mgarde

[dense zinc]

lowk wanted to keep garde,.,.

💔

[gaunt stirrup]

wait

Just use sd woger over Gambit

there

The lack of consistent hazard removal sucks ass tho

but

Dont know what to do there

[dense zinc]

i was about to type woger

lole

[gaunt stirrup]

thats all I got rn

hope it works out

[dense zinc]

aight

tyty

[gaunt stirrup]

yeah np

[gaunt stirrup]

Hax and Zoroark is not it

but the rest of the team is workable imo

but lowkey

if I wanted m gyara and setup mons like this I’d go with ho

not saying it isnt usable with bulky offense

but like screens and this would go very well

smth like power whip on gyara for shifu too is a lot better

and even temper flare over crunch just to have that starter coverage

with the rest of your potential team being strong for ho

like you can use screens Zama, Dd starter coverage Gyara, NP Ghold, and build from there
repost ur team if you decide to go that path

[cloud flume]

ho?

im sorry i havent been on showdown for like 5 months by now 😭

[gaunt stirrup]

I like gliscor pech and ferro, but imo you need something like Gholdengo over Pech since defog is just everywhere and something outside of ferro
You probably want to be more bulky

[gaunt stirrup]

hyper offense

[cloud flume]

i find zoroark to be a good lead usually

[cloud flume]

ohh yeah mb

[gaunt stirrup]

well it can work in some cases with spin blocking

[cloud flume]

so i should replace hax for a screens zama?

[gaunt stirrup]

but I feel as if there’s js

a lot better

wait wronf team

yeah no zoroark is just not it esp on ho

and yeah

[cloud flume]

esp?

[gaunt stirrup]

in ho you just want setup sweepers

[gaunt stirrup]

especially

[cloud flume]

yeah no ik what ho is

zoroark is msotly always js my lead to avoid stuff like glimmora or forretress

[gaunt stirrup]

you probably want booster atk tusk to remove hazards and break walls with close combat

[cloud flume]

aight aight

[gaunt stirrup]

forretress is not a real mon in ou

[cloud flume]

so screens zama and a booster atk tusk instead of zor and hax

[cloud flume]

o lmao mb

[gaunt stirrup]

and glimm has a good bit of counters

you just need a tspike absorber

[cloud flume]

yeah true + i alr have gholdengo and heatran

[gaunt stirrup]

yeah w mgyara and ghold

[cloud flume]

wait mb no heatran wrong team

[gaunt stirrup]

you dont want tran on ho

yea lol

[cloud flume]

no no wrong team lmao yeah

[cloud flume]

ohhhhk

[gaunt stirrup]

glimm learns ep tho so rlly the way to beat glimm is just out offense it

funny tech against other screens users is psychic fangs zama

you could js run roar

[cloud flume]

i use air balloon dengo

[gaunt stirrup]

but it helps w glimm too

[cloud flume]

do u think thta the zoroark and hax are the omly changes i should do?

[gaunt stirrup]

Zap and Tran need to be replaced with other set up sweepers like moth for tspike soaker and whatnot

[cloud flume]

what abt tran and zapdos

[cloud flume]

oh ok

could av t tar work here

[gaunt stirrup]

No

it’s slow and is mainly used for sand and etc

ho you want js offense

[cloud flume]

fairs

[cloud flume]

oke

[gaunt stirrup]

I like ogerpon cornerstone

on this

[tame galleon]

it's not bad it's just outclassed by ghostium imo

as for no hazard control idk we make mistakes i guess

[tame galleon]

wasn't aware of the low kick sets, don't think this one is one

[wooden drum]

I suck at completive pokemon. I "built" a team with online resources and I still need help on improvements/playing it.

https://pokepast.es/71456c4864947c66

[celest merlin]

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[empty olive]

this is... pretty good and completely fine

I'd go offensive tusk instead of hp bc I don't really see what it does and atk just makes tusk a little more threatening to everything

not much to complain about. There are ways to poke at this offensively, such as clanker kommo, gloves shifu w a little chip on zap, basically wallbreakers in general as zama and gambit really don't like coming out more than they have to.

that's not really something you can fix with a tweak or replacement to a mon though, as you'd have to replace a lot of the team to fix that

[empty olive]

this isn't terrible you have enough pieces to win

will say ur prolly overprepping for some stuff and underprepping for others w that wide ahh defense

like outside of sand you don't got much speed to work with considering id zama hates switching out even more than regular za

[wooden drum]

Should I do jolly scarf ttar and have a mega or different breaker in the apple slot?

That wouldn't work because Moltres needs a knock off absorber to function optimally

[wooden drum]

Nvm, I just threw on a Tapu Koko

[wooden drum]

https://pokepast.es/0fc5b8c3ab7b9422

Significantly better than the last

[hollow fern]

This folds to wellspring quite hard, ivy+whip has no switchin

[hollow fern]

Also out of curiosity what online resources did you use?

[wooden drum]

If I go hydrapple then I just lose to bolt

[hollow fern]

I didnt mention hydrapple tho

[wooden drum]

I normally play stall

So ogerpon to me just equals hydrapple

[hollow fern]

Oh gotchu

[wooden drum]

My best bet is to save shield on ZA

[hollow fern]

Yeah thats ur one time switchin

[wooden drum]

And bpress

[hollow fern]

Oh wait nvm

Ur bpress so you lose the 1v1

You still technically switch in once prolly

But its very rough

[wooden drum]

But over the course of a longer game or just pon being paired with other za answers I can see it being a issue

[hollow fern]

The big issue is that nothing on here forces it to click sd in particular

So every time they get in they get free clicks

And just get kills even if ur not giving it a free turn to sd by switching

[wooden drum]

Idk what to put on the last slot besides koko

And maybe electric Z

But without fairy Z I'm fired into tusk

[hollow fern]

I think zapdos>molt is good here

Considering you have ttar slowking

For fire resists

[wooden drum]

Then I lack a fairy resist

[hollow fern]

Exca technically

But yeah u prolly want another steel

You could replace koko with said steel

[wooden drum]

Then volcarona just looks at my squad like it's free eats

[hollow fern]

Hm-why slowking here? It doesnt feel great icl

It feels like its not really answering anything

[wooden drum]

My answer to urshifu

[hollow fern]

If u go zap then that works

[wooden drum]

Also it's my favorite pokemon

[hollow fern]

I think ur better off with av mola ngl

[wooden drum]

Ogerpon

[hollow fern]

Av mola+zap does a lot here

Thats why molt becomes zap

Also slowking doesn't help with woger

You just die to whip

[wooden drum]

Probably does doesn't it

[hollow fern]

Also ghold wrecks the team and mola gives an answer

Like ghost z doesnt really have an answer in the slowking+molt version

[wooden drum]

Ghold doesn't beat ttar

Unless it's plus 2 on mrain

[hollow fern]

It has 4x super effective focus blast or stab super effective 120 bp stab make it rain

[hollow fern]

Yeah exactly so ttar cant switch in

[wooden drum]

So Mola zap and a filler for koko?

[hollow fern]

Yeah that seems fine to me

[wooden drum]

What should that filler be?

Nat dex is so difficult

[hollow fern]

I think lele might be cool here