NatDex OU Rates

[vale hearth]

sorta sun team i made

weather ball psychic surge core cloyster

[gaunt stirrup]

for a sun team this is

really slow

[vale hearth]

i just wanted to try weather ball cloyster seen it around

[gaunt stirrup]

alo and glis are HUGE momentum sinks

[gaunt stirrup]

special cloy..!

yeah no sorry this js isnt it

[vale hearth]

oh...

[gaunt stirrup]

I get tryna be creative tho

but it lacks in a lot

speed control and sun abusers

even breakers

[vale hearth]

i just saw the moveset and saw weather ball was thinking about it in sun for cheeky kills

[gaunt stirrup]

Bolt is probably the best mon here

[gaunt stirrup]

Use mixed Kyurem

[vale hearth]

ok

[gaunt stirrup]

If you wanna try that

but not on this team

it kinda just needs a revamp

[vale hearth]

ok thanks

[empty olive]

I can agree with a z move for breaking but idt I can reasonably fit cm on terap

spin and starstorm are needed, ep is needed for steels, at most it would be subbed for flame

and terap is the only ice coverage on the team, its what stop scale chomp if it gets out of hand or ohkos gliscors

eq also prob works on dnite but honestly I think its a preference choice between sub and eq

at least for scale sets, for z ye it'd prob be eq

either way is the team really not weak to most stuff

even though its niche I feel like without gambit, ho is really weak to troom and is always weak to offensive stuff that can live a hit

[heady girder]

Terap prefers flame to ep so u hit balloon dengo

Important interaction vs webs teams

[blazing moth]

u def can over ice beam

u js keep ep/flame as the covg

nakes it a less passive in an ho context

[blazing moth]

i meant over fire punch but ok allg

[blazing moth]

you have prio and speed boost ken you'll be fine (btw js noticed give ken sd)

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/820bc9d340044b64

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost wagon]

my first team

i made

[gaunt stirrup]

Zama shouldnt be screens

Ferro/Glis should be rocks

[lost wagon]

That's all?

[gaunt stirrup]

probably not but that’s what I saw

I’m not experienced in this nat dex meta tho

I am 1650 rn but still

[tame galleon]

sounds sound.

[tame galleon]

zama screens is a real thing tho

three attacking moves on ferro is kinda L tho i agree

power whip on both waterp and ferro too

[tame galleon]

gliscor could work without rocks imo

as long as ferro has them

[hollow fern]

Zama shouldnt be screens unless the team is hyper offense

And yeah no rocks is troll

Same for removal

This feels like its trying to be ho with screens+woger+ghold but then it shifts to being bulky offense/balance with glisc and scarf lele and ferro

Id say picking a direction is a good way to go

[tame galleon]

if you say so

[tame galleon]

maybe adding an actual special breaker

[nocturne summit]

I know the team feels like a hot mess but I need opinions https://pokepast.es/4db2cde0c728f69d , I had in mind av hatt instead of av prima is it good tho?

[paper notch]

I dont think av prim or samu work here, neither have the longevity to support the hazard stack playstyle this team is going for and neither have the raw bulk to serve as the only special wall for the team. Right now, the team is very weak to any variant of ghold and special attackers in general. Since av prim and av hamu have no recovery, any chip they take is one step closer to your team having no special wall; with hazards up unboosted shadow ball alone will make heavy progress vs ur team every time its clicked (which it will with pech, lati, and skarm all being opportunities for ghold to be pivoted/doubled in).

if u are looking for a water type AV user mola would work better here since it has regenerator + is significantly bulkier than hamu and prim

but i wouldnt run av mola, or rely av in general here if im being honest

the probelm with av on this team is that its weakness to hazards conflicts with your hazard stack play style

and ends up putting too much pressure on your tusk for removal

[oak sundial]

how does my first team loojk guys

[still spindle]

Just look at the sample teams first

[hollow fern]

!pokepaste

[celest merlin]

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[hollow fern]

!shareteam

[celest merlin]

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[hollow fern]

Really helpful for sharing/using other ppls teams

[nocturne summit]

I mean can't I switch prim and tusk with hatt and ting, ting solves the problem of special weakness and be my rocker while hatt can block hazards, yeah Ik would still be weak to hazards but it would be managable with good play

[blazing moth]

is this even for ou

[blazing moth]

also this is trying to be a weird mix of fat stack and offensive stack, i would moreso pick a certain direction to pick first

instead of js replacing stuff with no real path

[true pond]

ive been trying for a really long time to make fear "work", this is my current iteration, some things im considering is changing z move or going airballoon on ghold cus i feel hella ground weak, maybe changing ice punch on ttar cuz its defo good but inconsistent and this team needs less cheese and more consistancy, scarf defog idk man its a good emergency button to get toge to stop being a sack, obv this team is a bit of a matchup fish but im tryna make it better and hopefully learn team building in the process

https://pokepast.es/3e825e34458707dd

[hollow fern]

i think if you want more consistency getting better hazard removal is nice, toge needs hazards off at all costs in order to achieve the mimmick and scarf lando is kinda hard to rely on. also dont really see fez/band shifu doing much here, i think ur prolly better off replacing them with things that handle ghold better, help against woger, removal, etc etc

like toge is also just the freest entry for gholdengo who currently has no good switchins

no switchin for tusk, woger, water resist being shifu is eh, so having the extra slots for defensive profile is prolly good

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/bd667b009c8c5707 my retake on the team (edit: did some changed since I forget removel)

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tame galleon]

it looks fine
i personally would have put recover on diancie and sludge on pex but that's optional

[nocturne summit]

I did some changes on it, I forget removal

[tame galleon]

removal...hazard removal ?

that's not necessary here

your team eats sr and tspikes rather well

and only shifu and maybe diancie care about webs

[nocturne summit]

ye ik but they still do small but consistent damage, like against a mirror match it'll be hard

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/55ced3ba97aaf99e

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

muk

lowk tusk has been putting in work without the scarf but I kinda desperately need the speed control

maybe could potentially see toxic > eq on chomp but it feels like I'm being too greedy then

same thing with scald > tox on mola

[iron ibex]

Hello
So um I started playing in Gen 9 NatDex Today and I use one of the sample team

I got one issue with it

https://pokepast.es/a3220623e9b694ed

I found out I don't have a great match-up against Rain team especially because of offensive Zapdos and Kingdra Choice specs

Even if I have Slowbro against Swampert-M

I don't any consistent option against these 2 guys

I've encountered rain team twice and even if I won against the first one (because my opponent wasn't very good since it was at low ladder), I lost against the 2nd one because of the Zapdos

(It was also because his Lucky ahh kept hitting their Thunder without missing a single time even without the Rain)

(Btw it was my only loss out of the 14 games I've done)

[blazing moth]

i think wishfish mola is a bit od here, this is very passive as is and having mola wasting lots of turn to try and make guys stick long here isn't the play compared to just using mola to enable everything better by js taking more hits better w av

double ground also doesn't look great

[tame galleon]

in my opinion this lacks offensive power

if you struggle against rain teams try something with thunder maybe ? boltbeam coverage is usually a good idea

by the way nice profile pic

[hollow fern]

I mean you have sd gliscor, np steel z ghold, and lopunny with future sight to make progress

Thats a good amount of power isnt it?

[iron ibex]

Well I don't think my lack of power and offensive pressure is the issue

The problem come from my defensive core

Which litteraly can't do ANYTHING against Kingdra

And barely survive against Zapdos if I got some good predictions

[iron ibex]

Thank you

[tame galleon]

i said in my opinion :/

[tame galleon]

yw

[iron ibex]

DOMA DOMA DOMA DOMA DOMA DOMA

[tame galleon]

kingdra ?

[iron ibex]

In rains teams

[tame galleon]

AKUU, NERA, HAHAHA

[iron ibex]

RAAAAAAAAAAHUNDAAAAAAA

[tame galleon]

i know i just didn't expect the dragon/water stab to be the one that puts you in tight spots

let me check your team again

[iron ibex]

Well even the Surf alone is enough to destroy 5 pokemons out of the 6 I got

And Slowbro barely tanks it

(It get 0hkoed by DM)

[tame galleon]

have you thought about making torn another slow pivot

252hp/252+ def

[iron ibex]

With Assault Vest ?

[tame galleon]

hm

im not sure

it's your defogger so you'll bring it into hazards

but taking 25% + an attack is going to be though

you could also go 252/252SpDef and use slowbro for physical hits ?

[iron ibex]

Yeah that's why I hesitate on that

[tame galleon]

i'd say don't

i think the fact you have 0 water resists with 2 water weaknesses is what sets you back

like you also have two electric weaknesses but ghold resists and glis is immune so it kinda evens out

for water you have nothing

(same for dark btw)

[iron ibex]

Well I still take more than an half of my health with Surf on rain

[iron ibex]

Ghold don't resist electric ?

[tame galleon]

maybe you'd win from packing a water or a grass type could help

[tame galleon]

i could have sworn steel had an electric resist mb

[tame galleon]

...have you thought about waterpon

[iron ibex]

Fun fact : Brambleghast is wierdly good against them since it has a water resis, an Hurricane immunity thanks to Wind Power and Thunder res

[tame galleon]

it has water absorb, coverage, utility, speed

[iron ibex]

3 issues : it's not as fast, it doesn’t learn U-turn, it doesn’t learn koff

[tame galleon]

yeah but brambleghast is like RU or smth I don't think it's worth spending a whole team slot just for that

[tame galleon]

we're talking about bramble right

[iron ibex]

Which reduces greatly his utility against anything that is not a Rain team

[iron ibex]

Yes

Pros : Great utility against Rain teams
Cons : Litteraly can't do anything against others teams

[tame galleon]

try replacing heatran with waterpon ? it gets spikes btw

somehow it gets you a slightly better defensive profile

[empty olive]

I mean I have phasing in dtail chomp and speed control, so I don't think things can abuse me being passive

and honestly being a fatter team, there's less breaking power (mainly just gholdengo + hazard stacking), so there's less benefit more flips

also I literally have a av muk so av on mola doesn't really do much more

idrk the weaknesses of double ground but I got torn for things like waterpon, amuk for special kyurem, so unless I'm missing smth I think I'm fine

[iron ibex]

Well I lost a free fire immunity+trapping pokemon

But I got a better match up against Rain, another u turn user and more offensive pressure

So

[leaden sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/ab30a26cc5cd7868

new to this format, sorry if this team is dogshit

also found a mention of roaring moon on the lele analysis

[hollow fern]

this seems pretty standard but it folds to kyu super hard

freeze dry has no good switch

theres a sample thats literally this same six but with bulky volc>terap to help

could also consider av zama > shifu maybe if you dont wanna do that

[empty olive]

hey I'm not the best at these types of things but I don't think av zama is a real thing

but the point is that even with ur current speed control and pagos, you still struggle to deal with a bunch of offensive threats with ur specific lineup

[hollow fern]

its nice against kyu and volc

ive used it before and its pretty good at soaking up hits

[empty olive]

you can help the issue by doing things like bpress/gyro > knock on ferro, but honestly in this case you can't fit any more defensive phasing or such so maybe like av mola

[hollow fern]

you can even switch into yard and mdia need be

[hollow fern]

like what?

[empty olive]

well, for this team, getting rid of shifu loses the scarfer which the team desperately needs for speed control

zama is fast but it's not faster than +1 jolly nite fast

[hollow fern]

zama is fast enough

[empty olive]

not for speed control with a passive team like this no

[hollow fern]

pagos revenges dnite btw

[empty olive]

actually, it depends on the scenario, like if dnite is sub scale, gets a dd on mola, subs on flip to pagos, then scales twice

or if u hard pagos on dd and then trade like 70ish on dnite to die

[hollow fern]

252+ Atk Dragonite Scale Shot (4 hits) vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 68-84 (20.5 - 25.3%) -- approx. 0.1% chance to 4HKO

[empty olive]

be real with me are you really running 0/252 pagos

[hollow fern]

oops sry that was the ubers set

252+ Atk Dragonite Scale Shot (4 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 84-104 (25.3 - 31.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

[empty olive]

ur forgetting +1

[hollow fern]

flip so it cant get +1

it cant click sub and dd

btw my original suggestion was going bulky volc

and keeping shifu

switching to zama was only smth if they for whatever reason didnt wanna use the volc

honestly on this team you probably wanna drop ice spinner anyways tho

volc absolutely wrecks

and jet helps keep it from going crazy

[empty olive]

I'm assuming u hard mola on dnite dd, either way dnite gets +1 on the turn you hard swap whatever mon

again, av zama is not real, or at the minimum, is terrible here

[hollow fern]

i strongly disagree but either way, again, doesnt really matter that much since it wasnt the main suggestion

[empty olive]

i mean

going volc > pagos removes ur removal

forces you to go defog on gliscor or latios which kinda sucks for them both

[hollow fern]

u can just go removalless

you have max hazards urself and wish alo

so ur pretty favored in a hazard war

volc/alo are boots, lati/glisc only take rocks, ferro/shifu resist rocks

[empty olive]

ehh... you could def go removalless I could see it

[hollow fern]

btw those six are a current sample team

[empty olive]

I just don't like removalless fats unless literally everything is immune to rocks/spikes

[hollow fern]

i mean glisc isnt immune to rocks but that fits really well

on removalless

[empty olive]

its not gliscor that's the issue for me

its ferro

mola volc gliscor can switch in and do their stuff fine

but unless you put boots on ferro I thinks mus like hamu are gonna be rough

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/0dab4773020b08c6 this feels horrible

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

sub idbp zama is too greedy

id either cut zama altogether or cut samu h

[nocturne summit]

is that a bad thing

[potent furnace]

yeah

you're also just forever walled by zapdos

most mons don't run random toxics in the current meta

[nocturne summit]

ig I can switch zama out but with what?

[potent furnace]

great tusk

having a spinner is really helpful and also it's a ground

also scarf samurott on a HO like this isn't very helpful

you've already got a water in wellspring so i'd run a different dark like kingambit over it

[nocturne summit]

can go for treads? don't want the team to be overly weak to fairy

[potent furnace]

you should be fine into fairies

speed booster tusk outspeeds them all except booster ival and booster ival is easily forced out by dnite who threatens espeed

treads can't setup and has less offensive pressure so it's not nearly as desireable on HO

[nocturne summit]

the offensive utility set?

[potent furnace]

no

bulk up

even with no fairy resists you're strong enough into all the common fairies for it to not be an issue imo

oh also this is a play rough ogerpon team not a superpower one

you've already got fire punch dnite to bait in ferrothorn for a kill you'd rather be able to hit opposing dnites

[hollow fern]

in general? like what do idbp zamas nowadays run?

[potent furnace]

i usually see like idbp/crunch/sedge

slam is also an option for lele

and hatt

[hollow fern]

hm that makes sense

[potent furnace]

i just find sub way too greedy because all it beats is like specifically tox alo

which i find not worth it when like 75% of them are running AV

[hollow fern]

gotchu gotchu

do u think rest has any merit?

[potent furnace]

ok

if sub is greedy

rest is biblical level

[hollow fern]

lmao

[potent furnace]

i WILL say

i think you could run like

lum bery idbp

with enough defense to kill alo

that sounds kind of hype

[hollow fern]

i see

[nocturne summit]

also can I switch sub on zama for heavy slam?

[blazing moth]

yeah your speed control is possibly the fishiest speed control in tier too tho? like this guy sucks vs anyone who knows what they doing
and u have a singular wallbreker/wincon here too, dtail chomp is cool but u need to kill stuff too

and as of rn barely anything u have benefits from muk pursuit

[empty olive]

ehhh, it's faster than jolly nite which is the main thing I want

only thing faster than that is volc which muk or sometimes chomp handles alot easier

and ig I should explain that the team is just a fat hazard stack

pursuit doesn't give much offensive value for the other mons but just having it is useful defensive value bc u can take care of lati/lele easier

ig I have a gholdengo too but it's offensive so I don't like switching into them anyways

[blazing moth]

then you should be focusing on getting something to handle it defensively better like sciz or just a better scarfer like lele instead

both are speed control and handle nite like just as well as least

tho sciz needs more speed than just it

[blazing moth]

fat still needs some immediate power

and lu would be just straight up better than chomp then ngl

tankchomp is js better on nore offensive stuff where u can chip stuff quickly

also helps w the bolt mu

if u rly need to handle nite js get a zama+a soft check or sm, outspeeds ada +1 and has ice fang

but w a mola u shouldn't even worry that much unless it's sub, which tusk doesn't help much against anyways if it got one already

[iron ibex]

https://pokepast.es/bd34e572407a9d7e

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[iron ibex]

Well I replaced Heatran with Waterpon

And now, instead of rains teams

I've got an even more common issue

Kyurem

I litteraly can't do anything against him💔

Maybe I must replace Slowbro or Waterpon with another pivot

(Waterpon made my team even frailer so I think I should replace it with something that does great against Kingdra, Zapdos and Kyurem)

. . .

Wait a second

[tame galleon]

you tell us how it goes !

[tame galleon]

pon learns superpower and outspeeds

lemme check some calcs

252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Superpower vs. 52 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 324-382 (80.1 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 356-420 (78.4 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kyurem: 276-326 (60.7 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

wait nvm

0 SpA Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring: 396-468 (131.5 - 155.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

you can't use ghold or smth against him ?

maybe try switching out gliscor and bringing back heatran for the x4 resist

even tho there's the issue kyurem learn EP

[tame galleon]

kyurem wins the heatran duel by virtue of moving first

252 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 52 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem: 438-516 (108.4 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

204 SpA Kyurem Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 204-242 (64.7 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

there's your kyurem answer

[iron ibex]

Pon can't switch on him

[iron ibex]

Earth Power

[iron ibex]

My ghold is a slower ghold

[blazing moth]

cant break sub

also generally trash outside stall

[iron ibex]

😔

The thing is that

[blazing moth]

also no stealth rock

[iron ibex]

Well at the start I had an Heatran

(It's from a sample team)

[blazing moth]

and lowk lop p useless if u not playing balance/fat-ish stack teams

compared to zama

a bit of an opinion but not totally personal/untrue

[tame galleon]

make it faster ig

[iron ibex]

But I asked here about my rain match up and they told me to replace Heatran with Waterpon

[tame galleon]

i'm not arceus tho i make mistakes

[blazing moth]

yeah if u lose something so important the replace should do it or something else should

[tame galleon]

like at some point i suggested replacing glis with heatran again

[blazing moth]

rain mu is fine w slowbro

[iron ibex]

That's why I hesitated

[tame galleon]

nah i'll join you on that one blissey is a bit ehh

[blazing moth]

i mean lop

[tame galleon]

thunder 2HK0

[blazing moth]

being ass if u not playing balance/fat

[iron ibex]

What is my Zapdos check😭

[tame galleon]

oh

well idk i usually manage through aegis/ferro personally

[blazing moth]

glisc/generally out offensing zao in general

[iron ibex]

And let’s not talk about Kingdra💔

[blazing moth]

kingdra is asscheeks

but k

u can js

make bro a mola

and it takes sm special attacks too like that

whatever u need anyways

[iron ibex]

Got 2hkoed by Hurricane/Weather ball

[blazing moth]

why u gotta outoffense rain in general but water attackers are more than fine and that's enough

[blazing moth]

either way if u rly that worried do this ^^^

[iron ibex]

That's a good idea

I'll juste have to lose some of my offensive pressure with Future Sight

But that's better than nothing

(I still can’t do anything against Kyurem)

[iron ibex]

Ghold is naturally slower than Kyurem

[iron ibex]

Abt that

[blazing moth]

u can js slot a gking later if u want

[tame galleon]

he wins the duel tho

and it's NP ghold

[blazing moth]

never the switch in tho?

[iron ibex]

You're right bcuz that thing was to passive everytime I tried to use it

[iron ibex]

Only if full HP

[blazing moth]

^^

not a kyu check ever

[iron ibex]

Just as you said :

204 SpA Kyurem Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 204-242 (64.7 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO204 SpA Kyurem Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 204-242 (64.7 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[blazing moth]

anyways w av mola ur fine into kyu w play rough

[iron ibex]

I actually started thinking about that since yesterday

[blazing moth]

if ur rly set on using a fighting type sure

[iron ibex]

It's a great Kyurem check

[blazing moth]

i mean u don't have to

care abt it

[iron ibex]

So in conclusion

[blazing moth]

can u post paste rq

[iron ibex]

https://pokepast.es/bd34e572407a9d7e

[blazing moth]

thxthx

[iron ibex]

Wait

@blazing moth

That's not the right one

https://pokepast.es/a3220623e9b694ed this one maybe ?

Okay it's the right one

The original team

(A sample team)

@blazing moth so um

[blazing moth]

nah allg

[iron ibex]

I should use GKing or Alomola instead of Slowbro ?

[blazing moth]

is that an old sample

[blazing moth]

mola but u can js use both

[iron ibex]

Oooh

That's why my Kyurem match up was so ass

[blazing moth]

im asking

[iron ibex]

I thought it was updated in Jan

[blazing moth]

oh nah it aint

[blazing moth]

nah that's a new sample

[iron ibex]

Oh ok

[blazing moth]

anyways

[iron ibex]

I'm just ass

[blazing moth]

the kyu mu js bad

u should js try to trade w it

[iron ibex]

(I started playing in NatDex Yesterday and I picked this sample bcuz I love Balance Teams)

[blazing moth]

but if u wanna solve the mu on builder u js gotta kinda like

almost rebuild it all

bc this team is js

completed

[iron ibex]

Oh

Well atp

I'll build my own team

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/cd1ab9369fde5e94 like this

this sm i did js now

but it's not rly balance anymore

[iron ibex]

This tier looks like a mix ofGen 7 OU and Gen 9 OU

[blazing moth]

that's a way to describe it

[iron ibex]

And since I move Gen 7 and used to build some teams here

It shouldn't be THAT hard

At least if....you help me

[blazing moth]

building balance is p different w diff threats and new guys like mola and ting lu

[blazing moth]

yea sure

[iron ibex]

Thanks : D

Mmmmh

When I build a team I choose one cool offensive mon I like to use

And then I build the rest around it

[blazing moth]

yeah better to js start w that

[iron ibex]

Lemme just take a look at my options

(Sadly there is no Ash-Gren 😔)

(But there is Lop-M, my favorite mega to play)

(But as you said, it is not that good in Balance😔)

[blazing moth]

what

u must've misread

i mean it wasn't that good outside balance

/fat

[iron ibex]

Oh

So I can use Lopunny-M

Anw, 3 gems (outside of Lopunny) spotted

[blazing moth]

not much point in using shifu if ur also using lop tbh

they do like the same thing p much js in different ways

[iron ibex]

(I love Tapu Koko and I used to pick him alot
I especially love to use the Z Tbolt)

[blazing moth]

so who's our starters

[iron ibex]

Well that's was just one of my options if I couldn’t use Lop

[iron ibex]

Mmmmmmh

Lopunny

I choose you

(I want to test it with its buffs)

[blazing moth]

kk

[blazing moth]

would prob worry abt a rocker+spiker rn while u can then maybe a wallbreaker

like clef/glisc or sum

[iron ibex]

"Rocker/Spiker"

*smells like Golden Spaghetiis

Gonna pick Clef

And then Ghold

[blazing moth]

still need a spiker

u can go glisc/ting

[iron ibex]

I like Glisc

So I pick Glisc

[blazing moth]

u need a volc check/water resist atp

pex/mola/molt sound aight

send paste btw pls js so i dont get lost

[iron ibex]

Abt the sets

For Lop, I'll use the usul Fake Out/Return/CC and a fourth move depending of my needs

[blazing moth]

u can worry abt em later tbh

yea

[iron ibex]

https://pokepast.es/c62b935a4152b5ed

[iron ibex]

Okay

Can you wait a second ?

I'll be right back

[blazing moth]

k

[iron ibex]

I'm back

[blazing moth]

oh kk

[iron ibex]

So let's finish with our offensive core

[blazing moth]

uh I'd probs go mola here rn

[iron ibex]

We've got Ghold and Lop

[iron ibex]

Why ?

[blazing moth]

lop+ghold should be enough icl

[blazing moth]

water resist+u need a pivot

[iron ibex]

Fair enough

[blazing moth]

also js a good sponge vs stuff u weak to

[iron ibex]

Bring me the fiqh

[iron ibex]

Should I use it with Assault Vest ?

[blazing moth]

yeah

u can go molt too tho ig

helps equally w stuff like volc yard

can fog

js doesn't resist water but u can do that later

[iron ibex]

@blazing moth uuuh

[blazing moth]

?

[iron ibex]

Why does the AV set only got 8 HPs ?

[blazing moth]

tanks shit better like that

[iron ibex]

Isn't this contradictory considering it uses Mirror Coat ?

[blazing moth]

not rly bc u alr have crazy hp+u need to take phys hits better

u dont need the hp at all rly

esp compared to the def

[iron ibex]

Understood

[blazing moth]

last slot js put a spinner/fogger

if u went mola

if u go molt u can put woger last lowk

[iron ibex]

@blazing moth Abt Moltres Defog

[blazing moth]

yuh

[iron ibex]

Let's say that I've always found it a little contradictory

To use a defogger

In a teams that rely and stack hazards

And I don't have any KOffer

[blazing moth]

it's ok because ur fat enough to just take em out and set em again faster/better than opp

[blazing moth]

u do have that w pon and ghold

[iron ibex]

So koff Ghold

Waterpon instead of Alomola

[blazing moth]

js to confirm

"koff" is js whatever does a lotta dmg right

[iron ibex]

Oh

[blazing moth]

im asking

[iron ibex]

I thought it was an abrevation

For Knock Off

[blazing moth]

oh

that's js clefable

[iron ibex]

Yk
For the boots
Since I stack hazards

[blazing moth]

yeah that's clef

[iron ibex]

I always forgot this thing got koff

And Mola too

[blazing moth]

yea

[iron ibex]

You almost accidentaly gaslighted me on Ghold learning Koff

Should I go for the fast offensive Ghold set or a bulky one ?

Correction

[blazing moth]

prob def but depends on how testing goes atp

[iron ibex]

Wait

Defensive or bulky attacker ?

[blazing moth]

?

bulky as in bulky np

[iron ibex]

Ok ok

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/3318bb45b6b4592d
https://pokepast.es/b74b35c44d54d715 should be looking like this kinda

[iron ibex]

Bcuz there is bulky np one
And the Twave Hex

[blazing moth]

wait i put a wrong one

there

u can ev ur molt to outspeed 218/219 speed tier

u can also make pon spikes and glisc sd ig

whatever u feel better w

js go test em now rly

[iron ibex]

https://pokepast.es/3f991c27e9b3a013
@blazing moth

Wait

I put both Mola and Moltres

Think I'll stick with it

For now

[vale geyser]

https://pokepast.es/17df437cf7dbe338 here's a treads hazard stack

probably gonna replace volt for knock on treads

and air balloon ghold for tusk

[vale geyser]

i highly recommend against molt being ur removal

here

[blazing moth]

dont see the point since they're checking basically the same stuff

[tame galleon]

EP 2HKO while Make it Rain OHKO

i think that works ?

[tame galleon]

ah yeah didn't take into account the possible hazards

[blazing moth]

no?

u get 2hko'd on switch/after chip

if it subs on switch ur also dead

if it uses ep on switch ur dead

if it uses dry sure but it's a trade and a iffy one at that

[tame galleon]

yeah, it 2HKO, you pray it doesn't sub, next turn you OHKO faster, that's a win ?

wait

is ghold actually faster

[blazing moth]

how do you

ohko faster

[blazing moth]

no

[tame galleon]

oh

alright then mb switch in is not a option

[blazing moth]

yea

eiter way he's now w a clef

[tame galleon]

clef

good choice

[iron ibex]

Let's Go Waterpon then

[empty olive]

p sure tankchomp, at the least the spdef version, is meant to handle yard

idk if rslide lu can handle yard but maybe it just can

and scarf turk still beats dnite 1 on 1 as long as its only got a sub or a dd up with scale broken

just spinner, if they switch out then u still did the thing u wanted to do

[blazing moth]

lu handles js as well w rock slidle+wishpass

[blazing moth]

u dont need to do allat when u can js slot a fairy/steel type

instead of doubling on grounds and one of em is js a bad ground too

like ur tryna mu fish a singular mon when u could js slot a soft check

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/1d43d13f9c8e4358

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 200+ SpD Garchomp: 128-151 (30.4 - 35.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 192-226 (37.3 - 43.9%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu in Sun: 178-211 (34.6 - 41%) -- 64% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

honestly I'm used to yard being ou kyogre and sliming anything that doesn't resist wball but lu eats surprisingly well. Still, if you get hit by yard you basically gotta wish up immediately or risk dying the next switch. I'm not saying lus bad or anything but like what r you tryna cover

also I still stick by scarf tusk, I don't think its a bad ground even if u scarf it, and it does its job like any other speed control, maybe there's a scarf mon thats more applicable in more scenarios but at least tusk isn't bad.

that said idk what speed control should be slotted, I chose tusk bc it got ice coverage so I don't auto lose to gliscor, answers gambit, and also gives me spin, which is secondary bc I have a torn but it allows me to not get rid of my stack when I want to clear my side

[tame galleon]

charizard x

with dragon stab

[celest merlin]

Solar Beam (Gen 7)

This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. Power is halved if the weather is Hail, Primordial Sea, Rain Dance, or Sandstorm. If the user is holding a Power Herb or the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, the move completes in one turn. Z-Move power: 190

Type

Grass

Category

Special

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP

10 (16)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• The user is unable to make a move between turns.
• Instruct fails if this is the last move used by the target.
• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Cannot be selected by Sleep Talk.
• Blocked by protection moves.

[tame galleon]

did you really pack grassium Z on heatran to counter ground/water types

i mean

okay

your opponent isn't going to expect it that's for sure

tusk with boots and torn without boots

yeah

alright

well if we ignore that, the fact that you could just switch to Yard and get free solar beam/protosynth for tusk and just a better mega overall

it's an okay team

[empty olive]

none of the things you said were bad, they all got their uses

I'd be more peculiar on hatterene being a little out of place with eject since it's not even yard.

and that the team currently gets run over by offense a little too easily

[tame galleon]

dude

like

the team just gets better if he picks the OU one that's also a special attacker with drought

AND one less weakness too

like

it's a straight upgrade here

[tame galleon]

now that i think about it you're probably right on that one

[blazing moth]

it's your average offtran set

[nocturne summit]

ik y is better overall but I still want to use x, also ye that hatt was the last slot so I kinda just throw it there, should I change it completely or just another set?

[blazing moth]

lowk x js good on ho

[nocturne summit]

also there's a water type on the team, drought disenregies

[blazing moth]

ur team kinda built like a semi sun

js w a xard and hamu there for some reason

ion rly the point of xard on non ho tho

like maybeeeeeeee u can slot it on the offensive of offenses but like, is that rly worth it over js like chomp

or ceru/ace, etc

packing a quad rocks weak that needs 1 turn to get going on top of it just screams screens farmer

actually this sounds kinda familiar ngl

https://tenor.com/view/volcarona-pokemon-plush-spin-rotate-gif-1895534360183536919

[nocturne summit]

😭

[nocturne summit]

so the zard-x slot can literally just be volc since they're practically the same but volc can actually use htb?

[empty olive]

I like xard on non ho but it'd only be as sd breaker

+2 tough claws stabs stronk

[nocturne summit]

still is the team generally usable? it's not like I'm want to be on top ladder just a team with a mon I like that is decent enough to be usable

[tame galleon]

is it ? never saw that
was surprised

[tame galleon]

oh
well if you want to use x to use x it's different

maybe hatt would benefit from another item
i think magic bounce helps your team though

[tame galleon]

i'm biased towards volc so i'd say to pick it because it's a wincon and it frees the mega slot

but as i said if you want to use zardX it's a choice as well you can make it work you just need to adjust your team around it, like trufs said

[tame galleon]

it's okay but the more i look at it the more i'm starting to wonder what torn is here for again

[blazing moth]

i was js exaggerating but like not necessarily because they kinda offer you different defensive utility with their types

[iron ibex]

@blazing moth

I've got an issue

Setup sweepers

[blazing moth]

?

[iron ibex]

For example

[blazing moth]

did u not have a lop

??

[iron ibex]

Volcarona

[blazing moth]

ah

js go to the molt

[iron ibex]

(Sorry I sent his french name)

Well

[blazing moth]

and click brave bird

[iron ibex]

If it's a bulky setup with Roost

[iron ibex]

OH

THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T WORKED AT FIRST

[blazing moth]

it's p cool tech

[iron ibex]

(My Molt used Flamethower)

Gotta change it

[blazing moth]

nah pack fire stab

and brave bird

[iron ibex]

Oh

So

I remove U-turn ?

[blazing moth]

yeah

elsewhere sciz melts

[iron ibex]

Yeah

Oh and

Gyarados

Since this big fish can both run Z Bounce and Mega

I've got some issue

[tame galleon]

use bolt ?

*thunderbolt

[iron ibex]

Gotta rebuild my whole team atp

[tame galleon]

send the current version ?

[iron ibex]

My only Pokemon that learns it is Ghold and he is not great against both of the Gyaras

[tame galleon]

i think he can handle z bounce

but mega gyara will eat him up

no pun intended

[iron ibex]

https://pokepast.es/9b87a736a66fa059

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tame galleon]

ok lop is all out attack

glisc became bulky protect

molt is defog

clef is a rocker

uh

okay

wellspring is sd

and ghold is bulky NP

what could handle gyara here

...have you thought about rocky helmet clef

or iron barb knock off since you're magic guard

wait nvm

both gyara keep their item

yeah someone will have to go i think

[iron ibex]

@blazing moth think we should rebuild it😔

[tame galleon]

let me check again

maybe we can salvage some of it

[blazing moth]

k ig

[iron ibex]

Maybe my defensive core isn't bulky enough

[blazing moth]

looks fine to me

[blazing moth]

def is

these guys

stick around like forever

could go zama>lop tho

[iron ibex]

Even against +1 Gyarados ?

[iron ibex]

Urgh

[blazing moth]

mega?

if so js go clef and trade

and set rocks before

should be tradeable

[iron ibex]

If you say so...

[blazing moth]

worst case js go zama over lop rly

outspeed +1 ada gyara and lives one of anything w dauntless shield

can snipe non mega w stedge and mega w cc too

[tame galleon]

https://pokepast.es/7e83917051540184

here's what i did

i tried to keep most of your original team and fix what issues i remembered

koko should shut down rain teams and gives you fast momentum while being a defog user

landorus is just that bulky whilebeing threatening and providing support through helmet/taunt (i gave him taunt since rocks are provided by clef already)

i think unaware just fits better here

[celest merlin]

Hey @dry rain, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[somber bear]

https://pokepast.es/0a711274d888b6b4 anything i can do to make it better?

[knotty wigeon]

Yo i kinda wanna start to comp bc of pokemon champions is this team good i kinda looked at pokemon i liked and tried to do a good team with it so can someone rate it and maybe tell me if i needa swtich smth or help?

[viscid light]

hi guys, i don't know if this is the channel to ask, but someone have a good comp easy to play pls ? im new

[knotty wigeon]

Thought about switching to this one

[blazing moth]

this team is unusable in nd since pult is banned

[knotty wigeon]

Sry but what is nd?

[blazing moth]

natdex

the tier you're asking help for

[knotty wigeon]

Ahh

But why is it banned though?

[blazing moth]

broken

basically

[knotty wigeon]

Oh

I thougb abt this one but i needa replace dragapylt then ig

[blazing moth]

your team is validating for 1v1 rn

[blazing moth]

go to that box and click national dex

[knotty wigeon]

What can i switch for dragapult then?

Bruh mb bro

[blazing moth]

np

[knotty wigeon]

Didnt think of dragapult being banned

But is the team good

[blazing moth]

like that u can sellect every mon too

[blazing moth]

i mean not rly amazing ig but not terrible

[knotty wigeon]

Ok nice but who should i replace dragapult with?

[blazing moth]

if u want the easy way out js add a Zamazenta with doubles screens and a volcarona over corv

[knotty wigeon]

Thats nice one

Tbh i wanted a fully sh8ny team and i have a shiny zamazenta

So thats great

Can i use the paradox volcarona or does it have a other type or smth?

[blazing moth]

they really arent great here ngl

especially slither wing

btw when u pick the zama/volc go to import/export on the top right and click the sets there

(they're pre made)

[knotty wigeon]

Ty

So i should use the normal volcarona yh?

[blazing moth]

yeayea

click the set that says subswarm tho

and give it a z move

like a bug z crystal yk

[knotty wigeon]

What i wanted to ask do we know alr that pokemon champions will be in national deck or not just asking

[blazing moth]

we dont

i mean

like you can assume every mon will usable based on the trailer

[knotty wigeon]

Thats good right?

[blazing moth]

but at least i dont know how it'll work in Pokemon showdown

[blazing moth]

sure should be usable enough

[knotty wigeon]

Nice ty so much

[blazing moth]

np big bro

[knotty wigeon]

Kinda like that team bc its pokemon i rly like

And kingambit and volcarona ive never used before

[light shadow]

I think this is the only good team I’ve made https://pokepast.es/468b2d1e35980abb

Basically just having to checks to wellspring ogerpon just to function

Since ogerpon hates rain

[blazing moth]

looks p cool but goodra isnt rly doing anything here and zap should be flynium z

also no hazards

and barra should be using cc>drill run

other than that looks like a normal rain team

oh arch should be using weather ball lowk

and u can tech swampert with poison jab for w ogerpon hate

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/7099ed831e7f0f00 wdy all think?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tall shale]

https://pokepast.es/05a0fb2d4b2c00cb might be the most common team ever but still,are there any changes I have to make ?

[tame galleon]

don't use whirlpool and nature madness, i personally prefer scald/drainkiss
victini's set is weird because choice final gambit is impractical
i'm a bit biased against zard x in favor of yard but that's
personal
Sd Lando with one attacking move doesn't seem very efficient
ferro is okay i'd personally put knock or gyro over iron head but it works
serperior is just bad in actual games

[tame galleon]

i don't have much to say. It's actually kinda good.

[tame galleon]

bug buzz on volc doesn't make the cut, i know i use giga drain for rocks/grounds/waters + staying power
i think dragonite ice spinner is a first, you might prefer a more classic espeed
rillaboom is okay
i'm not sure if kartana can really safely set up, you may be better off with 4 attacking moves to hope to pick up beast boost after a quick KO, but that's my opinion
urshifu seems good but tbh i never use it or see it
diance-m as a rocker with endeavor and without diamond storm is
i think it's just bad
other than that it's good

[tame galleon]

pokepast.es

[empty olive]

dude don't give advice if you don't know what ur talking about

buzz volc is fine, kart needs sd on ho, spinner dnite has been a good thing, diancie does NOT need dia storm

and rillaboom and urshifu are the worst mons on the team, don't choice mons on ho, there's some exceptions, but if ur new to building just avoid it

personally speaking lead dia has max spatk invest not hp I think, volc should prob be bugnium swarm to be the most threatening, dnite can stay ig but u'd prob want a scale set, and then kart/rilla/shifu have to go or at least swap sets

just as an example those 3 build into a sample team (the volc is just reg boots tho) so I'd just use that

actually this is a diff sample but it fits

https://pokepast.es/3cacfa294461dbfd

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

oh

LOL

i was so confused for a second

[empty olive]

just a question isn't double magic bounce kinda od

[potent furnace]

magic bounce good ability

this sample is very good

[empty olive]

I get u got non boots volc and dnite but like why not bounce + spinner instead of double bounce

[potent furnace]

because theres also a fast taunt lando

you really dont need removal atp

only hazard setter who can really bypass that is samurott hisui and spikes don't do much to this

[empty olive]

enter lead drill 👿

[somber bear]

i needed to find a hard hitting grass mon that was fast enough so i thot serperior would work. also shld i replace swords dance on lando with something else ?

[nocturne summit]

I used the smogon set for dia, also shifu was more or less for speed control and quickly switching into a sweeper with u-turn, rilla is kinda random ig but I replaced it with cm hatt is that good?

[tame galleon]

hell you mean i don't know what i'm talking about

[tame galleon]

i use coverage volc since gen 8 and it works pefectly, bug buzz is just a straight up downgrade of it
every diancie set i've ever seen uses diamond storm
for dragonite i didn't say that it HAD to be changed

[tame galleon]

aint no way you're suggesting BUGINIUM volc

you're the one who's not giving advice man

bug is resisted by too many types it would be a waste

[tame galleon]

swords dance is not the issue the issue is you have swords dance but your only attacking move is earthquake

so either you replace sd with another support move (like u-turn) or you make your lando more offensive

[light shadow]

Goodra is a really good check for ferrothorn and ogherpon that kinda why they are there but thanks for the tips all try it

Also drill run on barra is just a nice toxipex check

But I suppose close combat is better for dark types

Also arch does not have weather ball?

[light shadow]

Like Goodra with flamethrower is such a good lead into ferrothorn it’s not even funny

[blazing moth]

it's doing the exact same thing as arch but worse though

that's the thing rly

[empty olive]

speed control is nice on any team, but for ho specifically which is so momentum focused you usually can't slot a scarfer (or any choice mon) because they lose a ton of momentum unless they're pivoting

[empty olive]

I'm not gonna sit down and explain it to you, but set explanations r on smogon if ur willing to read why they're used

[nocturne summit]

ursh does have pivoting tho?

[empty olive]

ur not tryna click uturn every time you switch in

[blazing moth]

tbh u alr did either way lmao

it's rly up to him wheter he listens or not but yea ice spinner dnite is not a first and espeed isn't standard

[nocturne summit]

ig, still is there another mon with a scarf set I can use instead of ursh? I still want something fast that can switch in sweepers

[empty olive]

ye, you mainly see booster speed mons for that

specifically, the most common choice is booster val

mainly bc you can slot in a bunch of support while mainting pressure on them

besides being fast though, you can methods such as targeting specific threats for ho (like gholdengo naturally beating lucha), pokemon that have a tool to normally live (boots tera shell/multiscale), and priority (gambit, scizor, greninja)

[tame galleon]

sure thing have a great day

[empty olive]

the question with ho is typically how much antioffense to pack, since you can't exactly slot in something like a clod, and it depends on how easily your team gets taken as fodder; for example, if I use cm 3 atks val, I should have something in tow to deal with mega scizor or volc using val as setup fodder, but if the val is taunt, you don't ness need those mons

basically play around with ratios and pick ur favorite

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/5450e723c742922f is this good?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

garde probs better w knock off/taunt or something else in last slot, and give it mystical fire

also ts super played by dengo

esp scarf

which is p much an autowin for it

id slot sm over rilla that kills dengo here

idk maybe ceru or sm

js sm that one shots rly

and dont use fog corv here

give it bpress

[nocturne summit]

shouldn't scarf hamu do the job tho?

[blazing moth]

not a switchin forever+literally NOTHING else takes a shadow ball

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/df6a1e11732db519 isn't something like this better? without counting for hamu

[nocturne summit]

although I really want to use a cm set

[blazing moth]

should be on webs then

i can show u sm i did w it sm weeks ago hol on

idk if this the final one hol on

https://pokepast.es/252a98fc3b4cf5ed ok this is the one

it's not rly an amazing team bc of the restrictions but cm garde should probs only works on webs like these

[nocturne summit]

actually it looks good but aren't there too many special mons?

[blazing moth]

garde using psyshock so it ain't that bad

most phys guys on webs are kinda mid outside of the the usual tusk xard chomp guys

[nocturne summit]

although to be honest it's not as bad as having more physical attackers since burns cripple it

[blazing moth]

anyways ts is like ok ig ion rly fw the double dark+pagos here but eh

also give rilla knock iver superpower

js slot a fire type for ferro instead of making ur rilla p hopeless into birds and ghold

[nocturne summit]

ceru?

[celest merlin]

Ceruledge (Gen 9)

Typing

Fire / Ghost

Abilities

0: Flash Fire | H: Weak Armor

Base Stats (BST: 525)

75 / 125 / 80 / 60 / 100 / 85

Weight

62 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[dense canyon]

hey can i post my team here even if isnt necessarily for competitive? im not sure where else i can get feedback

(also ping on reply please)

[empty olive]

I wouldn't say this is the worst into dengo. It's def not the greatest mu but it's not an autowin for dengos since you got stuff that forces them out like boots tusk and scarf hamu

if ur concerned about it still you can tweak it a bit like knock > superpower and jolly on rilla and mystical > wave/cm on garde

[hollow fern]

If its for cobblemons or an arbitrary format for friends or smth like that those generally arent rated here

!cobblemon

[celest merlin]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1373406929317269624

Do not ask for assistance with fangames, Minecraft/Roblox mods, or other such titles. These games/mods have mechanics and available Pokémon which do not match those in the actual Pokémon games or any of our Smogon formats, and are often played with arbitrary rulesets.

[hollow fern]

Cause of this

[nocturne summit]

is it good tho?

[dense canyon]

ah okay makes sense. do you know where i could ask for advice for that then?

[hollow fern]

Probably just comp general or the natdex server if ur using natdex mons/mechanics

[dense canyon]

i just checked the natdex server and apparently i need a 2 day old smogon account so uhhh comp general it is

thanks

[empty olive]

ye even if the dengo mu isn't an auto lose ur still a little weak in general to offense mainly bc ur team is overall slow (1 mon fast than oger), which is not ness bad for bal esp since u have twave gking, but you don't have adequate antioffense to make up for it so breakers like z torn and others which are just naturally faster than most of ur mons are in a great position

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/632fd5a36d63bba3

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid latch]

https://pokepast.es/5d30d0b853b06ee0

I’ve been cooking this specs volcanion team ad my first actual team, it absolutely deletes a lot of neutral mons and can deal a lot of damage to basically anything that isn’t AV Mola who also takes around 30% from Sludge bomb.

When looking at the type chart I noticed Lopunny and Volcanion hate getting statused, which lead me to create this abomination of a AV Fini, which has been working very well and creating a lot of progress usually by trading with a difficult mon of the opposition but also just as a nature’s madness bot for tankier teams.

Games start with Volcanion breaking early, often leading and generally end with either Lopunny or Lando cleaning up.

I have a couple of problem points I can point out with my limited knowledge:

• Rain is tricky, need to predict as the teams are so quick
• M-Charizard Y still hits like a truck
• Zapdos is tricky

How would you rate/improve the team, are there problems I haven’t realized yet?

[slate gale]

https://pokepast.es/d96f6b23ea1d81a4 So, I am trying to learn stall more, and I borrowed this team from my friend who knows very much about stall, and he said he used this team a while back. Nonetheless, I feel like it has a lot of flaws in terms of countering weather alongside pretty good electric weakness. We both thought of maybe adding Galarian Slowking there, but I am not sure where to fit it. Just remove Mega Sableye? Apart from that, I didn't notice much trouble with it. Well, maybe a moveset change, maybe iron defense on Corviknight for steel coverage to hit fairies.

[tame galleon]

looks okay enough
the sets are mostly good

[tame galleon]

havent looked at the team yet but for zap/yard are you packing SR

plus doesn't volcanion has waterabsorb ?

yeah switch spikes for SR on ferro it's just better if you only have one hazard type

im not sure if chomp really needs the fighting coverage, my guess is to hit ice types ? in which case try fire fang maybe

nature's madness i'm not too sure about try scald

other than that your team seem good

[tame galleon]

maybe it's just a gameplan issue if it's stall

[blazing moth]

this p much autoloses to any np ghold btw

[tame galleon]

power trip corviknight then

im 100%

[blazing moth]

???

[tame galleon]

i said

power trip corviknight

[blazing moth]

why would u ever do that

[tame galleon]

to counter ghosts

[blazing moth]

on a stall team

[tame galleon]

oh yeah

that's the issue

[blazing moth]

literally js slot clod bro

[tame galleon]

why not glowking

would make double regen core

and more slow momentum

nah ?

[blazing moth]

it's loses to ghold?

[tame galleon]

oh yeah it's a psychic type you're right

[slate gale]

i mean like i said i thought of it just it wont solve ghodlengo still but its not only problem lol

i mean i dont mind the completly new team

i just said i used it as a basis to learn

[tame galleon]

so let's see

[blazing moth]

lowk u should try semi stall more

it's like

[tame galleon]

ah wait

i see

[blazing moth]

js better than 6 stallmons

[tame galleon]

it's either sableye-m or defog corv

[slate gale]

well semi stall is more reliable but it less fun i think

because kinda its basically same stall but you have breakers

for like later on

while i primarily wanna learn just pure stall

[blazing moth]

ur thinking fat balance

semi stall is js one singular offensive mon and 5 stall guys

helps w opposing stall

[slate gale]

ah, i thought ore semi stall is like more breakers and few stallers like at least 2-3 breakers or semi breakers lol

[blazing moth]

functions like a normal stall vs most mus tho

[slate gale]

just 500 turns game frfr

well still if without jokes then i need different core

[slate gale]

i mean glowking prob def should be there, then maybe hm zama maybe?, after corvi or skarmory, gliscor just isnt a debate i think, then chancey or blissey and then maybe toxapex?

idk about anything else

maybe more coverage

[tame galleon]

zama isn't stall dude

[slate gale]

yes but i meant if we take semi stall varietion

becuase i thought semi stall is more than one breaker

[tame galleon]

and you can stall without gliscor just

wait

your gliscor doesn't have substitute

that's

[slate gale]

well it can take knock offs for free

[tame galleon]

what do you want to stall without protecsub

[tame galleon]

yeah it's good but it's not as centralizing as would be toxapex

[tame galleon]

but seriously tho

[slate gale]

idk i said i borrowed this team from a friend lol

[blazing moth]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[tame galleon]

happens ig

[tame galleon]

huh

[slate gale]

what about maybe thsi like loppunny helps against gholdengo and can stall for some time with fake out and also good fast pivot i think https://pokepast.es/4d31a9dfbb34b861

[gaunt stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/1f0047c55c2950ae

[blazing moth]

pech should be boots and exca prolly z

[gaunt stirrup]

Was abt to ask abt Z lol

[blazing moth]

also highkey loses to dia rn

and/or pon

well

not pon

[gaunt stirrup]

Not rlly pon

Yeah

Power whip was added for Pon specifically

[blazing moth]

yeah i remembered u have

[gaunt stirrup]

And gyro to help

[blazing moth]

? no it's bc u have pech

[gaunt stirrup]

Oh yeah

Pech too

lol

[blazing moth]

ferro dies to pon anyday w spower

but yeah pon should an aight mu

idk abt dia tho ts super fries u up

[gaunt stirrup]

M Diancie is a little hard though, AV tar eq helps a lot tho

Since most mega D are leads

It tanks relatively nicely and EQ’s

but yeah pretty hard matchup vs Diancie if uh

[blazing moth]

lowk av tar sm ass

[gaunt stirrup]

sand isnt up

Was thinking on lefties

[blazing moth]

like u aren't setting rockssss

or using the mega

[gaunt stirrup]

It’s why ferro has rocks tho

[blazing moth]

ik but it'd js be better w spikes

[gaunt stirrup]

Not really since I’m using defog tres

[blazing moth]

js set them back

lmao u'll be fine

[gaunt stirrup]

That’s viable on bulky bulky teams

[blazing moth]

but tar w no rocks is js

p bad

[gaunt stirrup]

but it struggles more when you have all your hazards up yet can’t remove the hazards on my team

[gaunt stirrup]

it tanks a lot though and also walls Zard ofc

[blazing moth]

regular/mega also does that while setting rocks

[blazing moth]

i mean this also happens w js rocks

like

if u dont wanna put the rocks away but u have to ur not gonna like it

[gaunt stirrup]

alright then what set do you recommend with Tar

I’m not using dual hazards btw, it’s really js pointless with defog

[blazing moth]

either smooth rock/make it a hippo or mega

[gaunt stirrup]

I can just run knock on Ferro to lower how passive it is

[gaunt stirrup]

and just run sd scale shot chomp?

[blazing moth]

u rly dont less anything but k i guess

[blazing moth]

if u do mega tar js sack chomp

for like a water

[gaunt stirrup]

lowk want chomp there pretty badly though, been doing my best to make it work 🙏

I mean

[blazing moth]

then js domt use mega tar ig

[gaunt stirrup]

you can see my user either way

[blazing moth]

hippo probs the way

[gaunt stirrup]

would that give me a zard weakness or is spdef molt enough for that?

[blazing moth]

hippo

checks yard

[gaunt stirrup]

Does it acc? I’ve like

hardly ever

used hippo

[blazing moth]

how does it not

u set sand

resist wball

[gaunt stirrup]

I dont think it’s on one of my teams

[blazing moth]

u take like mayb 40-50 from solar beam but it takes two turns so who gaf

amd u tox/set rocks on it

same way non av tar also ultra kills yard

[gaunt stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/af0ff44eadf29aa8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gaunt stirrup]

So smth like this?

Wait forgot to change Ferro rocks

[blazing moth]

steelium but sure, also u have double rocks