NatDex OU Rates

[hard creek]

do I go like

a cm spoon lele last then

[blazing moth]

Z

but sure

[hard creek]

o right

cm stabs and then uh

focus last or hp fire last?

[blazing moth]

mb for late but uh focus fs

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/14a4a04b082f5164

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost wagon]

can anyone tell how to improve

[hollow fern]

Whats shed shell on skar for?

Magnezone is very very uncommon so id just go rocky helmet here

I would also replace iron head with defog and make fini cm

And make mlop cc>hjk

More consistency

[blazing moth]

huh, looks like an ss team

anyways dies to kyurem on preview

zera and skarm look fairly pointless here

that skarm set also aint it use idbp spikes

[lost wagon]

Uh

Can u

Tell in full form

[hollow fern]

Calm Mind

But actually id prob go spikes here

Instead of defog skarm

[hollow fern]

^

[lost wagon]

Idbp?

[hollow fern]

Iron defense and body press

[lost wagon]

Okie

[lost wagon]

Magnezone is not on team

[hollow fern]

Yes

[lost wagon]

Uhh

WHAT IS THIS

[hollow fern]

I meant opposing magnezone

😭

[lost wagon]

oh

[hollow fern]

High jump kick and close combat lol

[lost wagon]

jesus these short forms

[hollow fern]

The pokemon community LOVES them

Which is fair given typing the full name of the move is unnecessarily long

[lost wagon]

True

Ok

I will change it after I come back

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/9170cf6d4abc6b64 I updated this team and:

https://pokepast.es/f699433b2ede7134 team look like this now

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/6a86898703784743 is this good any tips can help

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

No pivoting anywhere doesnt feel great, also no stealth rock user so id make heatran stealth rocks>toxic

And no return on lopunny feels super fake icl

Id just use it over encore

[lost wagon]

ok

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/aca2d73be9c95f44

[lost wagon]

help

[blazing moth]

this is very passive and scarf bulu is just not it the mons bad on its own too

if u using it use rockium z or sm

u also get fried by just about any ghost there

wait ur max speed ttar, ig u can fuck defensive gholds then

offensive np can do bad trades for you very easily though

[lost wagon]

Help anyone

[blazing moth]

or even scarf

id go av mola over slowking

[blazing moth]

this is very wacky, zardy should be using weather ball not fire blast, sciz is either mega or js not on any team, breloom should be using dice and that's still a pretty bad mon into the meta rn especially with 2 other mons that ultra lose to ghold, rotom set doesn't really accomplish anything especially with no recovery, krok is like normal i guess but it should he using moxie probably, the Pex is aight but I'd change ev's to the smogdex default and give it hdb because you're super weak to just about any hazard

[lost wagon]

Holy

😭

[blazing moth]

yea

[lost wagon]

Bro said in million words that the team is bad

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-ryomen-sukuna-sukuna-ryomen-heart-heart-beat-gif-25820856

[blazing moth]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

tbh I'd js rebuild this from scratch

or with like 1 or 2 mons from what u have rn

most helpful thing i can suggest while keeping it short to what u have rn is js make Pex an av mola and and get sm better hazard control like hatt or tusk

[lost wagon]

Ok

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/60dc0e12da325dfe help

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

dang u been churning these out

how much do u test them on ladder?

[lost wagon]

3 4 times

And after that with friends

[hollow fern]

Btw chilly reception is useless with assault vest

[woeful basalt]

Im trying to make bulky offense altaria team. Im still confused which is better
Team 1:
https://pokepast.es/6c062c28d3c87d83

Team 2:
https://pokepast.es/fd3e7583ceedf80c
Im kinda enjoying team 1 but still losing. anything i can improve? need opinions

[blazing moth]

@plush dagger

[unreal canopy]

https://pokepast.es/e88560404f194db2 home-made but might need help to get out of 1600-1700s

things ive already noticed:

• team is pretty weak to rain teams, so I'm considering dropping xurk for rilla but then I'd be extra weak to molt
• terapagos has mostly only gained value for spinning rocks away, although has shut down a few pokemon like dnite and Msciz sometimes
• I'd say the mons I found the most value in are melm, M-lati, and iron-val

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost wagon]

oh

[blazing moth]

xurk should be using hp ice

p sure it's usable right

gotta be

[blazing moth]

also maybe pagos prob better w ep here so u can hit ceru/tran better

esp ceru bc if this guy gets like 1/2 sds it's lowk over

[lost wagon]

what can i improve

[unreal canopy]

haven't seen a lot of tran but you're right I honestly can't do much to it

[blazing moth]

the problem is moreso ceru

[unreal canopy]

I see i see

i did have hp ice before but uhh

i mean it's like 20 less BP

may as well ig

[blazing moth]

totally worth it when u hit p much everything better

[lost wagon]

sir

[blazing moth]

?

[lost wagon]

can u help me too

https://pokepast.es/9dddf2dcb992d864

[blazing moth]

zera not really doing anything koko doesn't better

idk what spread av gking uses but I'm almost 100% sure it uses psychic noise over future sight

zard x also feels a bit redundant

team's js way too bulky to pack such a quad rocks weak setup mon

also what's the speed on lando for genuine question idk

[lost wagon]

so

who should i replace it

[blazing moth]

koko?

[lost wagon]

k

[lost wagon]

choice specs?

or calm mind

[blazing moth]

hdb

[lost wagon]

wha

idk

what that means

[celest merlin]

Heavy-Duty Boots (Gen 9)

When switching in, the holder is unaffected by hazards on its side of the field.

Fling

80 BP

[blazing moth]

imo you should be getting your sets off of smogon pokedex rn

[lost wagon]

ohh

[blazing moth]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/

[lost wagon]

who should i switch with

if zard x bad

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/c52b0173b79e6ea3 I'm doubtful about whether I need to change anything in this team. Also, I'm undecided about which item and ability to choose in Galarian Weezing (between Levitate and Neutralizing Gas). What are your thoughts?

[blazing moth]

another sweeper that doesn't immediately die to rocks like dnite

or rilla idk

ur free to experiment a lil here bc idk a perfect fit myself

[pearl topaz]

https://pokepast.es/86aad3998c2c13b3

my cool ahh team 🥹✌️

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pearl topaz]

Yo ur team is to cool dude

[pearl topaz]

Tysm, you’re so nice 😊

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/bc3b443eebdf704b idk what to do

[pine raven]

https://pokepast.es/053fc1f4ddd116d7
Any tips for my team?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

theres a sample team thats these exact same 6 pokemon lol https://pokepast.es/cb29631dd6272e9d

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/a2eceaea6a73e8d3 any tips

[small imp]

Woger 1v1s your entire team

It doesn't even need SD to shred the team rn so that's probably a good place to start

[blazing moth]

no speed control and dies to just about any offense ever

also no (consistent) ground immunity

I'd tackle these problems first before anything else

[blazing moth]

overall just too passive of a team, needs immediate power band weav, pon over fini or tusk over lando since these are generally better at being more offensive

[vapid flax]

Posted my first version of this team a few days ago, made some updates and it feels better but maybe something is missing?

https://pokepast.es/4b974fb1ff75e305
I think treads or gambit would feel nice but i dont want to get rid of skewda...

[blazing moth]

https://tenor.com/view/playboi-carti-i-luv-it-camila-cabello-music-video-i-love-it-gif-10720967167488159138

[blazing moth]

anyways ts a pretty normal looking rain I'd js go aura sphere over body press on arch bc it js hits harder without u needing to take a knock in the face before or something

would prob go sm over kingdra bc it's 2026 and ts guy washed frankly

how u have a zap i js noticed, prob go torn over it so u make pon time harder

and give it fly z

u alr have an elec spammer too so it's all fine sacking zap

[lost wagon]

can anyone make me the most unpredictable team

[vapid flax]

Ah ok nice, honestly didn't even know he got AS. Torn is a great call too, I wanted some z move on zapdos but felt hard to incorporate.

Do you have any suggestions for kingdra replacement? He feels pretty weak in a lot of matchups but idk if theres even any other (viable) SS special attackers

[blazing moth]

manaphy basically defeat any fat single handedly ig so

[vapid flax]

https://pokepast.es/8672fd563f7ca24c Was using this before seeing ur suggestions

ooh manaphy could be really nice

[blazing moth]

u could js go barra here over kingdra and torn>zap and lele>treads

[blazing moth]

+give rocks to swam

[vapid flax]

fire

ok gonna try that thx

[blazing moth]

npnp

[blazing moth]

that's a pretty vague starting point without any particular mon or core

like any mon can be unpredictable and there's like idk 700 on nd

probably idk

[peak solar]

https://pokepast.es/29258bfe3d9c74a9

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak solar]

my first natdex team with beedrill

[vale geyser]

not a reviewer but can i ask what AV lele is for

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/f809590e1ce3ed0a

can anyone help

i keep losing

[peak solar]

for bulk

[lost wagon]

help

https://pokepast.es/9a1b968a36c87b6b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[arctic egret]

💔

[lost wagon]

.

[arctic egret]

?

[vale geyser]

for what tho like what does it help it 1v1

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tame galleon]

https://pokepast.es/b3fea69210b33c08

i think i had the right idea at the beginning but my team has 0 synergy can someone help with that ?

[blazing moth]

no speed control and rocks+fog lando is bad

[hollow fern]

Beedrill is speed control isnt it?

[blazing moth]

ok yeah im smokin today

tho tbh i dont like it alot ig

[blazing moth]

raging bolt should be a pivot here too btw

[lost wagon]

https://pokepast.es/1fb384759813d254

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost wagon]

any tips

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/8d2eb93b06cba1e4

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest merlin]

Bonemerang (Gen 9)

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit. Max Move power: 130

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

50

Accuracy

90

PP

10 (16)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Blocked by protection moves.

[blazing moth]

this is just a standard trick room i dont have much to say besides use Bonemerang one cubone and give mawile sd and knock, maybe make cress pack ice beam but who cares you're not clicking it anyways

like this is the exact same 6 that bitana used for his rmt that's how recycled this whole playstyle is

[blazing moth]

what's the evs on treads for, also you cant rly break pex effectively w this unless the opp has like 0 hazard control

i also get the idea of red card pex but like ehh

ur team is already supper iffy into hazards and having your pex without hdb js makes it all the worse

kyurem set also aint it, offensive/subroost prob better here and blaziken should be using sash/life orb and a third move for Pex coverage/protect not moltres coverage

I'd try to make this less bad into hazards while keeping the general power of band rilla and stuff on you

[empty olive]

hp on treads allows you to live jolly max atk lando eq (mainly for scarf) but it also helps with lele

as far as im concerned you still have enough atk to do what you want, like kill max max lando at -1 with z

maybe ur right about pex mu but I feel like all I have to do is tweak a few things around, like rn its just gliscor get free layers, but just like a change to subroost kyu or maybe tpunch on blaz should work too

[blazing moth]

yeah sm tweaks can work but i hate how hazard weak ts is

my internet trash wtf

im free

[blazing moth]

anyways ts fair

pretty cherrypicked bc u have grassy terrain but fair

[empty olive]

sash blaz is def not the play here, I'd rather use a ceru for things like that, and from my testing you dont need the power of lorb for anything specific, lefties for longevity is just alot better for not killing yourself after 2 moves

[blazing moth]

the just use a ceru atp lmao

lefties blaziken is ass and youre giving longevity to sm w near nothing of that anyways

and doesn't need it too

it goes from a no longevity blaziken to a Blaziken with still little to no longevity in practice because... well it's a Blaziken, a glass canon

you're trying to cover the weak point when u should be making the strong points stronger

[empty olive]

fair, I just preferred it for the fatass pokemon that didnt do much damage anyway and could live +2 lorb attacks like pex or alo

[blazing moth]

imo go sash

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/184c834ee7ea6a19 Offensive Hazard Stack Neck Hur- I mean Raging Bolt

[blazing moth]

💔

needs a yard

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/3723ca06b8fea032

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

added a zard y

changed basically the entire team though

same concept, still has hurting neck

[cobalt skiff]

this looks like the cores I build lol

dayum rillaboom+eq is weird tho just go tusk. lol

https://pokepast.es/23c1584344a7be66

rillaken bulky offense, how I would build it

I honestly prefer freeze dry for more wallbreaking but yeah... still gonna test the team I like my rough draft better than your team

https://pokepast.es/2523e3956c0c79e3

played 3 games of course kyurem was trash for that team lol, hatte better.

testing this now

4-1, ok

not bad for how trash I play I guess

[empty olive]

isnt this really weak to offense with how slow it is + no consistent ways to deal with setup

[cobalt skiff]

huh I did only see fat teams during testing

and I only tested 5 games

hm, thanks for the quid pro quo

ok rilla weakest link

hold uo

hold up*

ah shit I think I made it too slow

ooooops

[cobalt skiff]

better! owo?

hit... u wanted rilla thi

darn rilla on bulky offense is awkward tho...

healz is nice but

building is so limiting with terrain honestly...

;-;

I forgot draconium z-

WHY IS IT MAGNET

bruh

it's calm mind again now oeo

wait, THE CHICKEN SET

do u want rilla or just ken @empty olive

if it'd just rilla or just ken it'd b easier... I'd probably prefer just offense on rillaboom+blaziken

like they both don't have offensive traits not traits of a brawler/shit on BO

-w- god I overstimulated myself playing so many games in one sitting to test fast lol. I just needed to see interactions

I'll test this later I'm building

[pine lichen]

https://pokepast.es/8a4a093871ef1719 fist time doing a sand team idk whats the meta in this niche, is there anything i can change or improve in this team (i aimed on a balance-ish type of team)

[cobalt skiff]

no need for goggles on volc @pine lichen

you probably just want giga drain for longevity potentially, wait I am still rating

wtf why is there 2 mega stones, bruh

no z on excadrill...

yeah I have a couple of changes already just looking at it

[pine lichen]

im all ears

[cobalt skiff]

I do not recommend ears, I recommend saying if you'd prefer some more different styles

or this is ok for you

just offense... did not really think much I have much to improve this is simply a rough draft.

right pokemon wrong moves items is all.

if u want like liquid voice that is ok... just say.

[pine lichen]

its fine

thank you

[cobalt skiff]

ok, sending paste.

https://pokepast.es/336fbe0362b73178

this is hyper offense

[pine lichen]

i wanted to use mega garchomp even tho everyone says its dogshit is it viable in any way?

[cobalt skiff]

play it like one

[pine lichen]

ok

[cobalt skiff]

hyper offense, but it has to be something else not sand.

sand is copium

unfortunately the ability doesn't really change interactions so

it is very fucking awful lol just use like anything else ttar is so bad

without the mega

lol

[pine lichen]

ok

thank you again

[cobalt skiff]

and no hippo/rock sander is gonna save the idea lol

... ur making me wanna try it again though

💀

I blame u if I lose elo from this idea lol

jk

[blazing moth]

incredibly passive and acrobatics blaziken doesn't do anything

likw what are u even planning to hit w this

that like most to all other coverage doesn't hit better at least

[cobalt skiff]

hm... switching back to something else then

[blazing moth]

I'd js use a z

and make mola av

[cobalt skiff]

what z makes sense here

[blazing moth]

and rilla like idk sd or band

[blazing moth]

either stab or electrium

[cobalt skiff]

well I have no thoroughly tested that team yet🤗😛 wait

I like electrium, ok

oh uh wait where is it

wait I deleted the team already

lmao

why did i

I don't remember

good things it's just there

I think I replaced it while building by accident

lol

it probably got turned into a sun team lmao

made a sun variation for rilla ken too

[cobalt skiff]

dude that's the first fucking paste there's a better hatte variant

Kyu did nothing on testing wait

I could switch sets but I like hatte better

[blazing moth]

oh nah i replied to the first but i was def looking at the second lmao

my mistake on that but yeah

[cobalt skiff]

ok

[blazing moth]

they're both passive

[cobalt skiff]

I've been getting better I'm just, incredibly passive in general at building usually

is my only problem

wait

[blazing moth]

u should using "walls" that can enable more ur guys via switch moves, fsight whatever and less for stuff that js sits there, at least for a team w blaziken

[cobalt skiff]

dude this was my first fucking draft ye I have glowking at the other one

kekw

[blazing moth]

aight aight cool

[cobalt skiff]

wait I'm fucking just making this work tho I wanna test a ken wallbreakers set

since it's fucking useless as a sweeper tbh

also ditch bolt for gambit

making ken special specs

testing...

[blazing moth]

can u js

[cobalt skiff]

is it outclassed by something?

[blazing moth]

send it rq

[cobalt skiff]

wait I'm just building

[blazing moth]

like the current

[cobalt skiff]

IM NOT DONE

[blazing moth]

k chill

😭

[cobalt skiff]

ah shit

nah ken as special breaker is trash

ok deleting this concept

[blazing moth]

yeah nah thats ass af js do sd rly

[cobalt skiff]

this is v4 I think?

v3 had acro

idea why acro tusk/zama break idfk why it sounded funny and just balled with it with stab z

anyways that's new squadra

... I was thinking knock on Blaziken and stab z

before u said elec z

what ya think @blazing moth you've rated me so many times at this point

lol

I really wanted a water but idk who or who the fuck to ditch

that's my only requests 🤔

[cobalt skiff]

I think special ken on sun can be gimmicky and fun

grassium z solar beam

would be the idea I think with rillas grassy

shit I wanna do that I'm testing that

[blazing moth]

uh u have two z's

[cobalt skiff]

eh?

what

WHAT

I never realized

wtf

[blazing moth]

😭

[cobalt skiff]

lmao

using boots then sheesh

I like icium z on tusk

[blazing moth]

yeah boots generally vetter in my experience

unless u playing sun

[cobalt skiff]

as u can tell

I use groundium z alot too

someone taught me it's good break

good on neutrals and even resists

nice button

also just in case somehow headlong can't kill, it's cool

other noteworthy onesi like using is head smash rockium it's busted

only on hyper though

thanks for helping me these past few months @blazing moth

ur my goat 😌

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/302b3b6f731f5841 Hydrapple Balance

[tame galleon]

it's okay-ish

hydrapple with a crystal is weird

slowbro instead of slowking/glowking is unusual

gliscor without protect is a choice

moltres im not sure is your best option

overall it's good but it's just like

that looks like a regular SVOU team

[blazing moth]

it's really not, they check generally different stuff and and usually the weirder ones are kanto king or galar bro

[blazing moth]

anyways this is 6-0'd by pon+any hazard/u-turn on preview, I'm not a fan of hydrapple like anywhere but sand teams too, it's just a huge momentum sink and doesn't even take like anything on but waterpon

[lethal token]

https://pokepast.es/fa4ed6cde7409155 thats a funny team

[tame galleon]

honest, what is water/psychic oblivious going to check

[tame galleon]

it may be

i doubt it'll win, though

[hollow fern]

Slowbro has regen btw

Just like gking

And water is an amazing defensive typing

It has good physdef as well

Compared to gking being spdef

[tame galleon]

he does ? apologies then i underestimated it's game

[tame galleon]

yeah but...psychic in a meta with ghostinium Z...

anyways these points are clear and make sense

[lethal token]

rn its 4-1 working pretty good but its low elo tho

[blazing moth]

shifu lando/basically any physical ground zama pex medicham cinderace lop melm

it's not just the type it's the type plus everything else that makes slowbro good

it's a great alternative (not as in underexplored but as in alternative to the more standard pex/mola) bulky water that mixes a bit of what makes mola and gking great

slowking is the rarer one but if u want to keep good mus into shifu while checking lele and having fsight it's a solid enough guy

[blazing moth]

it's a team i guess , i dont see the point of drain punch meleotta tho i think if u want sm more fun u should go snore rest cebebrate charge beam

[hollow fern]

youre not meant to be a ghold answer anyways, and the psychic means you beat fights a lot easier

like zama, mmedi, shifu etc

[lethal token]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2529668921-3uhgl3v6vocshdb4n40u95w2c29d6kjpw

thats kinda the point of that drain punch

[blazing moth]

i don't see how the set i pointed out would've like, not achieved the same result anyways tbh

anyways make ur treads steel beam spin eq rocks

ts is basically ho but like bad so might as commit to the bit and have a lead

[blazing moth]

I'd also replace overqwuil with a really fast offensive guy toowhile at it, like iron moth or valiant

[bronze plume]

https://pokepast.es/6bb376519b33fe27
for a no tera tournament , any changes should i do?

[lethal token]

Yeah he might need to be switched tbh

[blazing moth]

!arbitraryformats

[celest merlin]

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[tame galleon]

there's no tera in natdex anyways tho ?

[blazing moth]

there's also no roaring moon in natdex

fuck knows what else is legal there

[lethal token]

no relic song - cant adjust defenses

i mean its a small change but really every hp matters

and also switching from special attacker into physical is usefull against mons like bliss, chansey, goodra, florges

maybe not so much with florges but u get the point

[tame galleon]

ah yeah didn't see that

[blazing moth]

you... boost every defense anyways...

and it barely changes

u make ur physdef a lil stonger and ur spdef way weaker

and dont hit any ghosts

[blazing moth]

literally every single one of these is rare and u can just boost past them and flinch them to death

[blazing moth]

keep in mind snore is like 60 percent to flinch

[low bay]

https://pokepast.es/c4ea60ac432021c3 SD Mega Pinsir Offense team

[tame galleon]

dengo focus blast

hydreigon isn't the best dark option, too

never seen icium Z used to can't tell

valiant and pinsir seem good

well

if we forget the fact that it's pinsir

and rotomw is good too

[blazing moth]

last 3 should js go

1 midmon is fine 3 is a crowd

[tame galleon]

wdym midmon

ghold and rotom are good

[blazing moth]

4 if u count val

[tame galleon]

dude are you trolling ?

[blazing moth]

i said last 3

and rotom is ass

[tame galleon]

i'm in column mode

[tame galleon]

it's situational but it's not bad

and valiant is a good mixed attacker

[blazing moth]

no it isnt it's terrible

[tame galleon]

why is it

it's a mixed wall with great defensive typing and active gameplay

that's not terrible

at all

[blazing moth]

literally does nothing but check tusk

[tame galleon]

252+ def and Will-O and Rocky Helmet/leftovers negates most phys attackers

free switch in on earthquake (most spammable coverage move)

[blazing moth]

it's not mixed if you dont take hits from either spectrum

[tame galleon]

only weakness is GRASS

[tame galleon]

wdym it's bulk is litterally 107/107

that's mixed

ooh wait spectrum

sorry thought about a pokemon

well my point stands

[blazing moth]

turns out one of the best wallbreakers in the tier comes in on hydro pump and takes a whopping 0 and ohko's back

[blazing moth]

with a pitiful hp of like 60

with no reliable recovery

ts is ass bulk for ndou

[tame galleon]

...who ?

[tame galleon]

pain split :

[blazing moth]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-ogerpon-wellspring-tera-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-16915269632910713693

[blazing moth]

i said reliable

[tame galleon]

50 actually but with the typing and maxed out def it doesn't matter

[celest merlin]

Recover (Gen 9)

The user restores 1/2 of its maximum HP, rounded half up.

Type

Normal

Category

Non-Damaging

Power

0

Accuracy

0

PP

5 (8)

Priority

0

Target

Self

Flags

• Prevented from being executed or selected during Psychic Noise's effect.
• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Can be stolen from the original user and instead used by another Pokemon using Snatch.

[blazing moth]

reliable recovery

[tame galleon]

lmaoo

[celest merlin]

Draining Kiss (Gen 9)

The user recovers 3/4 the HP lost by the target, rounded half up. If Big Root is held by the user, the HP recovered is 1.3x normal, rounded half down.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

100

PP

10 (16)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Makes contact.
• Prevented from being executed or selected during Psychic Noise's effect.
• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Blocked by protection moves.

[blazing moth]

not reliable recovery

[tame galleon]

non issue as long as you land the wisp
you have a resist on ivy cudgel and worst case you can just volt switch into a mon that can handle it

it's a def pivot not a sweeper

[tame galleon]

say that to my tapu fini ig

wait

let me check the rules

i forgot if we can argue here

[blazing moth]

yes it does because you take hits still badly from the invested defense if you're against any good wallbreaker and take little to no hits on the uninvested defense

[tame galleon]

okay we're good

[blazing moth]

not to talk abt how passive you are or literally everything else

[blazing moth]

as long as it's civil

[tame galleon]

defensive pivot means you survive the hit and press volt switch against anyone you can't hpump/pain split enough

in my opinion rotom-w does that very well

[tame galleon]

it's not passive at all ?

[blazing moth]

you take 60 press vswitch one time and die next time u come in

[tame galleon]

105 stab spa

[tame galleon]

sure but if you pack rocky helmet you still get utility out of it

it's not a wincon by any means

it's just okay

[blazing moth]

what's the utility chip worth if u take two hits max unless u go against a balls passive ass teams, if i want a helm mon i can literally anything else because i can assure u they utilize that better

tankchomp speedy lando ferro u name it

[tame galleon]

if I may add

[blazing moth]

even ghold

[tame galleon]

i don't know how you play rotom but for me it actually lives most of the time I bring it in

[tame galleon]

now i can't take this seriously

ghold helmet are we fr

[blazing moth]

?? gotta be trolling ts aint even current gen

[tame galleon]

is it

let me check

ahh yeah mb

didn't check the date sorry

hold on let me get the current one

(i'll keep arguing even if it's in D tho)

[blazing moth]

Thread 'National Dex Viability Rankings (Post Tera Ban)' https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-viability-rankings-post-tera-ban.3756130/

it's bit there at all i think

and d tier doesn't exist

d tier is glorified unranked

[tame galleon]

not D

i retain my credibility

barraskewda is situationately good

glimmora is a sac

ribombee is a sac

tinkaton is situationately good

greninja is situationately good

keldeo is situationately good

rotom-w stays winning

the others i don't really know enough to tell ?

never got rocked by a tangrowth is all i know

[blazing moth]

situationally as in 1 every 15 games or with a scout in a tour

barraskewda sucks ass

it's there because rain has no better

[tame galleon]

situationally (thanks for correcting) as in as long as you dont bring it on a special attacker's giga drain

[blazing moth]

and rain already sucks ass

[tame galleon]

exactly ! there's no better in rain

[tame galleon]

sure because sand is a much better weather

[blazing moth]

but there's a million better guys than rotom at doing whatever rotom does

[tame galleon]

such as ?

[blazing moth]

what's your point

[tame galleon]

genuinely interested

[tame galleon]

my point is you can't say rotom-w is bad

it's not perfect it's not top tier but it does it's job

it's a good physical check and a good pivot

end of story

it won't win a game on it's own or anything but that's not it's role

[blazing moth]

literally any burn/status fisher in ou, ace, molt pex mola even fucking will o wisp Gardevoir-m

[tame galleon]

cinderace as defensive utility pivot 😭 i can't even

out of all of these only mola really fills the same role as rotomw im sorry

[hollow fern]

Rotom w fun for voltturn lol

Annoys the grounds pretty well

[tame galleon]

part of my point

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/53696ee0be3f4f7a
Xurkiyee made this for last week's team-building comp

Super fun team

[tame galleon]

assurance gambit 🤣

okay

[hollow fern]

Lmao ngl I ended up dropping that after some games

[tame galleon]

thought so

[hollow fern]

Heat tech tho

[blazing moth]

it's not defensive but it's utility and a pivot a way better burn fisher then rotom

[tame galleon]

does it even get u-turn

let me check

[blazing moth]

yes

[tame galleon]

ah yeah

[hollow fern]

Its on the team above lol

Uturn ace

[tame galleon]

listen i'm not always very attentive

sorry

[hollow fern]

Tbh rotom has that ground immunity and volt switch

Which are valuable

[blazing moth]

and that's like it

[tame galleon]

yeah but it's overall more offensive

you're probably going to court change + fast stab attack with libero

[hollow fern]

Hence why its niche

[blazing moth]

also ur describing a familiar bird here

[tame galleon]

bird uses hurricane

[hollow fern]

Not a water resist/wisp user

[tame galleon]

and doesn't have ice resist

[hollow fern]

That too

[blazing moth]

omega loses to the only ou ice tyoe

[tame galleon]

who's omega

[blazing moth]

i mean it literally mega loses to Kyu

[tame galleon]

ooh
...zapdos doesn't have a mega tho ?

[blazing moth]

are we

deadass

[tame galleon]

bird with volt switch and ground immunity

that's zapdos

[hollow fern]

Mega as in-a lot

[tame galleon]

im sorry i actually don't get it

[hollow fern]

Hes saying zapdos loses very hard to kyurem

[tame galleon]

OH

alright

thanks

sorry got too in the game

well yeah

[hollow fern]

Sry i meant rotom not zap

Mistype

[tame galleon]

i don't know what rotomw would have on this tbh

maybe on a spdef set ?

[tame galleon]

i mean zapdos probably doesn't fare much better either

[hollow fern]

It doesnt

[tame galleon]

main issue is freeze dry

[hollow fern]

Gets smoked

[tame galleon]

well then

we all have our limitations

[hollow fern]

But hes just saying it being an ice resist isnt valid

Rotom

[blazing moth]

breaking news wisper can only wisp against like tusk and ferro and that's like basically it

[tame galleon]

wisp against ferro

[blazing moth]

better than a para w zap

[tame galleon]

ice beam is super common tho

[blazing moth]

and now u take power whips

and cancel lefties

[tame galleon]

ah yeah that's right people use that

[blazing moth]

why would u not willingly burn a ferro if u have the chance anyways

it's the two actual burn victims rotom can get

[tame galleon]

if I have the chance i'll do it but I won't try as hard as I would to burn tusk, or ttar, or waterpon, or like litterally anybody else with an actual attack stat

[hollow fern]

Could probably also catch like a chomp

[tame galleon]

yeah that one too

[blazing moth]

u never burning a pon lmao

[blazing moth]

if it's sd u die if it's tankchomp u trade it w a toxic

[hollow fern]

Didn't you say earlier that woger shuts down rotom

[blazing moth]

i mean yeah

u switch into hydro and ohko

[tame galleon]

nice opinion

[hollow fern]

If its sd you burn then switch if its tankchomp why is trading that awful

[tame galleon]

unfortunately

252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Rotom-Wash: 66-78 (21.7 - 25.6%) -- possible 5HKO

[blazing moth]

???

[hollow fern]

Sooo they somehow be switching into hydro without fearing wisp?

[blazing moth]

did u forget it's a grass type Pokemon or

[hollow fern]

They click power whip lol

[tame galleon]

just gotta switch in at the right time trust the plan

besides there's no whip on this set ?

[hollow fern]

They can just click ivy cudgel then click while the next turn

[hollow fern]

Thats the ou pivot set

Nd doesnt run that nearly as much

[tame galleon]

perhaps

i don't really use pon

[hollow fern]

No it literally is

On the calc

It tells you

[tame galleon]

okay

yeah i see that

well i don't know man some matchups you just don't win i guess

252 SpA Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 648-768 (181.5 - 215.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[hollow fern]

I still stand by woger is not a switchin to this guy

[tame galleon]

oh god garchomp is so washed

yeah

not really

[hollow fern]

Rotom is a volt machine

[tame galleon]

yeah

[hollow fern]

And wisp is a good click

[tame galleon]

yeah

[blazing moth]

if u have an obviously free switch bc the obvious play for the opp is hydro why would u not go pon, like w a chipped gambit or a statused lu or sm

[tame galleon]

what

[hollow fern]

Ofc theres mind games but like 70% of the time ur just clicking volt

[tame galleon]

btw i think waterpon has water absorb so hpump is actually free

[hollow fern]

It does

[tame galleon]

and yeah, that

[hollow fern]

Thats what he means

[blazing moth]

if the opp predicts that it's mind game territory but u can still get free switches into rotom fairly consistently

[tame galleon]

"if" "if" "if"

[hollow fern]

I disagree thats its consistent

[tame galleon]

if i predict that they predict then maybe i can pull a 360 noscope on their pon and score a 5-1

[hollow fern]

Like in all those scenerios you mentioned-

Rotom has already made progress

Burning stuff or chipping stuff into hydro range

[blazing moth]

doesn't have to necessarily be rotom doing it bc that chipped gambit stuff he'd have been burned before if it was rotom who did chip, and w the lu u traded progress for hazards

[tame galleon]

then you just have a spinner/fogger in your team to deal with this

it won't do everything alone
it can't

[blazing moth]

huh

im not saying this guy is a do it all

[hollow fern]

So is the sequencing for this rotom switching in on a weakened gambit? Cause gambit is not the one switching into rotom thats fs

[blazing moth]

I'm saying it's a do it nothing

[tame galleon]

and that's dead wrong

that's all i'm saying

[blazing moth]

yea

[tame galleon]

you'd have to be kinda desperate or really willing to play to do that imo

[blazing moth]

name one thing this does better than like mon in vr w a relatively similar set of traits

[tame galleon]

being unique

[blazing moth]

if i want a bulky water i can pick like any1 else

[tame galleon]

[hollow fern]

Rotom is defo pretty bad tho

[blazing moth]

bonus points to bro for checking tusk and such while still packing burn

[hollow fern]

Like any other water also checks ground lol

[tame galleon]

like i said only mola is a bulky water pivot

[hollow fern]

And a lot of other guys offer better/more consistent utility

For example zapdos

[blazing moth]

if i want a an elec vswitcher w immunity to ground i have zap which farms a different status that's just as important

[hollow fern]

Also more reliable recovery

[tame galleon]

but it's more focused on helping your team/itself with regen/wish/protect than on disrupting the opponent

[hollow fern]

Rotom+wish seems kinda desperate icl

[blazing moth]

if ur genuinely forced to use rotom as ur best option in ur team js rebuild bc u did something wrong anyways

[tame galleon]

i was talking about mola
hence regen mention

mola is OU

if you tell me mola straight outclasses rotomw

i can hear it

[hollow fern]

Wait why rotom and mola together?

Surely you just use one or the other

[tame galleon]

water type
pivot move
bulky
was mentioned earlier

[hollow fern]

Isnt that rotoms job?

[tame galleon]

.

[blazing moth]

slowbro, slowking

[tame galleon]

that's what i'm saying

[hollow fern]

Ohh sorry I thought you meant mola and rotom on same team

Mb

[tame galleon]

more often than not has teleport/chlly reception and three attacking moves

different niche different typing

[tame galleon]

happens dw

listen

[hollow fern]

Uses future sight and status generally

[tame galleon]

i'm not arguing that rotomw is uber levels of wall

[hollow fern]

To support

[tame galleon]

future sight is an attack tho ?

[hollow fern]

It hits two turns later so it allows your teammates to break using it

You click future sight

Then pivot

Into a wallbreaker

So your opponent has to take two attacks at once

[blazing moth]

u said bulky water pivot, that's what these are, js bc mola isn't electric doesn't mean it's a reason to not use it bc it doesn't take neutral from vswitch or sm

[tame galleon]

yeah but that's already different from what rotom does

[tame galleon]

are you reading me

i said mola might even be better if slightly different

[hollow fern]

Im just saying it supports the team well

[tame galleon]

yeah we can agree on that

[blazing moth]

it's almost strictly better js like how either slowbro/king is depending on what u wanna wall more

they do the same thing a washtom+more

[tame galleon]

for sure

[blazing moth]

mola uses knock, slow twins uses slower pivots and fsight

[tame galleon]

for sure dude

[blazing moth]

name me one thing all these 3 cant do that rotom does bro

like be so deadass this guy is buns

[tame galleon]

okay sure man

take care

[hollow fern]

Have a good one

[tame galleon]

it's been 40min

[hollow fern]

Lmao

[tame galleon]

thanks

you too

[stoic estuary]

https://pokepast.es/5b1a819459101ba1

wanted to build weather + terrain, built around raging bolt who appriciates both a ton with rising voltage

pivot spam with strong breakers like raging bolt and victini. I seem to struggle a bit with chansey, might have to cut victini....

Charizard Y is a strong wallbreaker and i can easily get raging bolt or victini in to take advantage of the sun boost, team doesnt require sun that much so a dedicated setter would be a waste, this is both a strong wallbreaker that i can pivot into, and provides some neat utility in the form of sun

victini has a lot of burst damage with bolt strike and v-create, in sun not much likes taking a v-create, trick helps a ton against mons like ting-lu who otherwise just sit in front of it.

tapu koko is a great pivot and provides e-terrain for raging bolt

raging bolt with specs and rising voltage hurts a lot, once their ground type is dead i can spam, otherwise not much likes a specs draco meteor

great tusk for removal and hazards, icium Z to deal with gliscor and lando who id otherwise struggle a ton with, headlong rush to make it not easy to switch into and to take advantage of proto attack with its big atk stat

gliscor, defensive pivot and toxic to deal with more defensive mons. a lot of useful immunities.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

rvoltage bolt isn’t worth

you’d much rather be like lefties or booster

so you can fit cm

rising voltage is just way too greedy and basically unnecessary

also lets you run like specs koko

[stoic estuary]

are you sure about this?

also why are you evil

[potent furnace]

yes im sure

specs bolt is pretty underwhelming because it’s such a good cm mon

[stoic estuary]

so, lefties and replace volt switch with cm?

i didnt go cm due to this being pivot spam and i didnt wanna kill momentum with cm

[potent furnace]

you can have a non pivoting mon

[stoic estuary]

🤔 you think it would be good?

or is there anything else horribly wrong with the team

[empty olive]

prolly overcooked but still worth posting https://pokepast.es/3f5af4ac9432e6e4

[vale geyser]

how bad have u noticed the hazard situation to be during ur games

they look pretty awful for you but i also believe in max def tusk to handle it

[cobalt skiff]

Hay guys, good team?

https://pokepast.es/3ea0a5548e7feaf8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

ttar isn't rly worth the hassle if u aren't setting rocks w it

also not enough speed control

[tall shale]

https://pokepast.es/e72c9294c70f7071 is this team good ?

[empty olive]

is the speed control really that ness with fat tusk + scizor + tar?

idk I'm not too experience building with tar and besides for sand teams and really ass ice beam sets it feels underwhelming

rocks on hard tusk kinda vibe

lowkey like rocks on tusk better usually anyway

[blazing moth]

uh yes, it's more like fat tusk + scizor + tar, only sciz is your speed control and revenger here

and having prio exclusively for ur revenge killing is bad

[mossy walrus]

I don't have a team yet, but I was wondering about Obstagoon

Do they have any use?

[blazing moth]

it's a guts knocker but no not really any real use but u can make just abt any fe shitmon by ou standards work in nd if the rest of your team works well enough

a big problem w this guy is how it's pretty much locked to be jolly to outspeed ghosts or else u cant even 1v1 any of them

and u have no sucker

also rly mid bulk

solution to this guy is probably just slapping him a screens team and calling it a day ngl

this the method for ou midburgers trust

[tame galleon]

no you have 5 mons

jk

more seriously

koko might be better with boosted volt switch ?

and since tusk seems to be a spinner/sr setter you might be better off with treads for synergy

three other mons are okay

hmm

you rely very heavily on latios for defensive typing here

except looking at it's investment that's not it's role

so maybe try to find something slightly bulky that can counter ground (like half your team) and fighting (like...weavile and eventually treads)

you could maybe use a ghost type

i'm tempted to suggest baloon ghold cause ghold can fit in a lot of roles

but this would have it's own disadvantages, mainly yet another ground weakness

ultimately it's up to you

i think elec terrain synergy is worth looking into

also maybe low kick > pursuit since you already have knock

[blazing moth]

u generally wanna pivot on grounds u only use volt on specs

[blazing moth]

also u dont need investment to check what tios checks

ts needs mistycal fire tho

and luster purge

[blazing moth]

anyways get a ghold check, luster on tios, and an mdia check

[tame galleon]

thought about that, that's why I said might. i don't know much about koko.

[tame galleon]

preferred to

[blazing moth]

uh no

[tame galleon]

i dont have latios' stat spread in mind

[blazing moth]

u never put defense on ur tios

[tame galleon]

so i checked the investment to be sure

that's it

[tame galleon]

i'll remember that

[blazing moth]

it's like always max speed spatk timid

maybe tias runs bulk

but tias is like strictly worse rn

[celest merlin]

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I did not recognize that name, please choose an option from the list.

Latios-Mega (Gen 9)

Typing

Dragon / Psychic

Abilities

0: Levitate

Base Stats (BST: 700)

80 / 130 / 100 / 160 / 120 / 110

Weight

70 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

Male Only

[tame galleon]

ooh i can do that

alright what you say sounds correct

[tame galleon]

252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Gholdengo: 354-416 (93.6 - 110%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

why wouldn't that work

[white condor]

i wonder whose better mega latios or latias

[hollow fern]

252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 112+ Def Gholdengo: 254-302 (67.1 - 79.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
damage against z ghold

which is the majority

also no switchin

shadow ball is super free

[blazing moth]

yeah u cant switch in the most u can do is trade

at best

[blazing moth]

latios and it's not even close

[tame galleon]

didn't take that into account yes

[empty olive]

what r some good ho cores

just stuff thats hard to defend against

also I again want to confirm that ho is literally only sweepers + a setter

because I still think that categorization is too strict, if a mon can put out enough pressure naturally, any utility helps

technically speaking blaziken and gren kinda setup for themselves but they still don't need setup moves; spinners are also a great example (primarily terap); val loves its encores, taunts, dbonds and even twaves enough that sometimes it can't fit cm or sd; healing wish hatt; cleanup scarfers (not the best on ho but still there), and there's probably more I'm not listing.

[modest oracle]

new to natdex and im not seeing any sample teams would anyone provide a simple one to get the basics

[hollow fern]

you can find them in the teambuilder

heres the link https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

[pliant yoke]

Anyone got some fun teams with uncommonly used pokemon? Love using strategies others arent using

[blazing moth]

araq+ghold, zama+volc+hatt, dia+kgb

[jagged ember]

https://pokepast.es/9d3be013ea8aca9b what do you think of this team? There’s something about it that doesn’t quite convince me, but I don't know what

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tame galleon]

there's a smogon thread for off-meta/underused sets but i lost the link

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/22753c6d3eaa9494

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty olive]

https://pokepast.es/119c7219d261cf28

kinda similar, kinda different, I just want to build blaziken right

whats makes a set of ho sweepers "good"?

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/1420a692ae5023e2
https://pokepast.es/b3a8f71bd380bfd1 boxes w interesting mons, some dont have movesets yet
https://pokepast.es/e53649850bed57ec
https://pokepast.es/de01a585863ea356 teams arent rly amazing but u can use em as bases

[blazing moth]

couple of factors but mainly if you can cramp utility naturally in your setup sweeper (think bu tusk having rapid spin and Hatterene bouncing back hazards and status, ghold blocing spin, kingambit being a knocker), speed control/cleaning traits (like how bu tusk or 3a scizor finish off chipped teams almost effortlessly and can revenge kill) and how wallable they are (like how few consistent checks cm lele has)

[blazing moth]

give eq to dnite and a z move to Blaziken/dnite btw, also cm on your terap should be considered here fs

[stoic estuary]

https://pokepast.es/82431746b95c2782

thoughts on this electric terrain team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stoic estuary]

heh, im so quippy

[blazing bluff]

posting on behalf of shabingus because their post got filtered:

anyways

Pelipper, mandatory rain setter. Defensive slow pivot set with defog, doesnt have to worry about rocks as much since healing wish hatt can help keep up rain if needed.

Hatterene, eject button set. Helps massively against scary ground types, eject button into my terrain abusers can punch some serious holes in a team, psychic noise to force progress pretty basic set. (might swap mystical fire for a fairy move cause of rain anti synergy) healing wish to let my slower abusers.. abuse for longer, or to help keep up rain in the face of hazards.

Tapu koko, mandatory electric terrain setter? defensively built with taunt to shut down trick room and prevents it from being setup fodder, can set up reflect against most which massively helps raging bolt and archaludon to get set up. Thunder to fish for para since rain has a lot of uptime on this team (might swap for dazzling gleam or natures madness later to get more consistent damage or chip on important targets like lando gliscor ferro blissey)

Archaludon, enjoys both rain and e-terrain, 130bp move boosted by 1.3 from terrain and 1.5 from rain is very hard to switch into unless ur immune. Body press to deal with blissey, 2hko if defense boost, with reflect up is able to 1v1 mons with ground type moves.

Mega-Swampert, speed control and crazy damage. hard to switch into, superpower to win the woger 1v1 when reflect is up and to chip ferro/blissey.

Raging bolt, the guy we have been chipping for. not many walls lives a rising voltage in e-terrain +1, built to ohko woger, kingambit and a few other fast mons with +1 thunder clap, reflect gives it the time to calm mind up against the commonly physical ground type moves.

[stoic estuary]

anything obvious i lose to that i havent run into while testing? please lemme know

[blazing moth]

yo hyd, ts is cool on concept but extremely ineffective in pratice, I'll look at this a purely a rain team because it's easier to point out the issues like that.
first of all this way too much overlap: two elecs, two dragons/pon checks but only 1 water move clicker (which is what you wanna "overlap" on rain anyways") as of rn this team loses to like any well played ground on preview because of this.

I'd sack 2 of either koko arch or bolt rn

which btw kokos set aint it either

[stoic estuary]

i thought the archaludon + reflect was enough of a ground check in itself, takes barely anything from defensive lando eq and wins the 1v1 against most offensive tusks

[blazing moth]

the problem is you cant touch the grounds

and both of those are weak to ground

like if u find a gliscor and water resist

this team straight up loses

same w lando ting lu chomp

any ground rly

having js swamp to excert pressure on em while everything else is fodder is rly rly bad

[stoic estuary]

💭

thoughts on weather ball on bolt?

[blazing moth]

yeah it's p mandatory on rain I'd say

I'd still sack 2 of either arch koko or bolt

they just there but like not doing much

[stoic estuary]

🤔

[blazing moth]

like koko bolt arch are all doing the same exact thing

[stoic estuary]

bolt probably has the most ko's overall but yea i get you

[blazing moth]

and u could be using those slots for better stuff like hazards or barra/torn-t

[stoic estuary]

team too creative for my own good

[gaunt stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/2800544088853034
Mega Chomp team so tuff

Sp. def Molt is very helpful vs Ghold, and sp. def Tar pretty much walls Zard Y

Amoongus was added to beat Woger but also beats Shifu with Bro too

Molt beats Ferro ofc so it helps

And SD Chomp goes so hard twin 🥹

Ignoring the metal birds (167 turn match that Chomp swept if they didn’t have metal bird) but either way

Chomp
really just has no walls

and this defensive core is really strong, consistent, and Amoongus just absorbs toxics

Lele helps with speed control and fairy type, but I do think I could replace it
Thoughts? I think really replacing Lele is the main thing I need if there’s anything better

[tame galleon]

chomp is okay though i'd drop stone edge for coverage

especially if you have ttar as well

maybe mystical fire better on moltre cause

yknow

[gaunt stirrup]

it gets that?

[tame galleon]

on the contrary i dont really understand hp fire on lele

[tame galleon]

iirc

lemme check

[gaunt stirrup]

Just standard set

[tame galleon]

yup

[gaunt stirrup]

Should I use psyshock? I barely click it besides on Ferro

[tame galleon]

it gets mystical fire

[gaunt stirrup]

which I use Molt for or Amoong to absorb knock

or hell even Chomp just bombing it

[tame galleon]

taking into account the fact it's choiced...psychic and psychock would be too redundant imo

[gaunt stirrup]

Edge is mainly for Corvi and the legendary birds

+2 edge without sand does abt

50% on Corvi

[tame galleon]

corvi gets mauled by fire fang

[gaunt stirrup]

and the birds also get nuked instead of relying with

gambling scale

[tame galleon]

amoonguss in singles is

[gaunt stirrup]

I only like clicking scale abt once or twice js for speed

[tame galleon]

a choice

[gaunt stirrup]

It was for woger

but it actually pairs with

[tame galleon]

brother it's your dragon sweeping move

[gaunt stirrup]

Slowbro very well

[tame galleon]

ahh wait lele is fairy

[gaunt stirrup]

Both destroy Urshifu lmfao

[tame galleon]

so that's why hp fire

idk maybe hp ground better but im biased

[gaunt stirrup]

I mean

[tame galleon]

which version

[gaunt stirrup]

I just dont click it

I hardly need it

[tame galleon]

oh wait you have slowbro as well

[gaunt stirrup]

EQ is 195 bp with sand and stab

lmfao

[tame galleon]

double regen core

that's okay

[gaunt stirrup]

yep

[gaunt stirrup]

Only rapid strike

bc it’s like

the only legal one

[tame galleon]

indeed surging strikes and waterpon gon have a though time here

[gaunt stirrup]

Yep

[tame galleon]

long as they dont bring knock off
do they even learn knock ?

[gaunt stirrup]

And Zard gets walled by 2 mons too

[gaunt stirrup]

Shifu no

Woger yes

[tame galleon]

roar on ttar ?

[gaunt stirrup]

Helps vs setup sweepers

[tame galleon]

you sure you wouldnt rather dd ?

[gaunt stirrup]

and I didnt run max speed so I’d rather not have low kick

[gaunt stirrup]

on a sp def tar..?

[tame galleon]

i mean yeah surprise em i guess

it's just

[gaunt stirrup]

mf what

[tame galleon]

sometimes i get ideas and they aren't good

[gaunt stirrup]

roar helps a lot more than tryna have this guy like

sweep

[tame galleon]

your team your knowledge your choice

[gaunt stirrup]

I just started playing on an alt like

2 hrs ago or so

and got 400 elo with this team nearly 500

[tame galleon]

and i never use ttar

[gaunt stirrup]

I have had a 167 turn match but it’s okay

[tame galleon]

well really it's an okay team i don't have much to add

[gaunt stirrup]

I won it

[gaunt stirrup]

Why not?

Ttar is amazing vs Zard and many others

[tame galleon]

well done

[tame galleon]

zard

let me check my yard counter

i have fini for that situation

[tame galleon]

idk bro vibes

[gaunt stirrup]

Lefties have also increased Ttars longevity by SOOO much

defog helps a lot ofc

Molt having a niche where it beats the defog blocker

with sp def

[tame galleon]

dengo ?

[gaunt stirrup]

yer

[tame galleon]

i mean you'd have to be special to take the dengo switch into molt anyways

my opinion

[gaunt stirrup]

yeah I ran sp def molt after being 6’0ed by a Ghold

[tame galleon]

can't tar handle it

[gaunt stirrup]

the cute and loving make it rain:

[tame galleon]

isn't this an spdef ttar in sand

[gaunt stirrup]

yes

yet make it rain still destroys it

Why are you underestimating nasty plot Ghold

[tame galleon]

252 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 248 HP / 192 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 222-264 (55 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[gaunt stirrup]

exactly

[tame galleon]

24+ Atk Tyranitar Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 314-372 (99.6 - 118%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

small gamble imo

[gaunt stirrup]

Ghold also

outspeeds btw

[tame galleon]

of course

[gaunt stirrup]

and executes the team member that stays in

[tame galleon]

eat the 60%, retaliate with knock and pray for high roll

[gaunt stirrup]

so if you go hard tar

you lose tar

you stay in

you lose the mon that stays in

And for a core like mine

I would not like that

[tame galleon]

speaking of ttar

[gaunt stirrup]

4 defensive mons btw

[tame galleon]

it's the only one to benefit from sand stream ?

[gaunt stirrup]

the sand force Garchomp that I mentioned

With an eq power of 195

[tame galleon]

yeah that's 2/6

meanwhile you're chipping your regenerators

boosting attacks against your molt

that's...

im not sure about how that works

[gaunt stirrup]

They all have a way of healing

Molt has roost Slowbro has slack off and Amoon has giga drain

It’s really not a problem I’ve had

at all

sand is up for 5 turns
My pivots live for much longer than that

[vale hearth]

https://pokepast.es/4c6b6a7103a54579

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.