NatDex OU Rates

[celest merlin]

Misty Terrain (Gen 9)

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Misty Terrain. During the effect, the power of Dragon-type attacks used against grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 0.5 and grounded Pokemon cannot be inflicted with a non-volatile status condition nor confusion. Grounded Pokemon can become affected by Yawn but cannot fall asleep from its effect. Camouflage transforms the user into a Fairy type, Nature Power becomes Moonblast, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to lower Special Attack by 1 stage. Fails if the current terrain is Misty Terrain.

Type

Fairy

Category

Non-Damaging

Power

0

Accuracy

0

PP

10 (16)

Priority

0

Target

All

Flags

• Can be selected by Metronome.
• Prevented from being executed or selected in a Sky Battle.

[rancid goblet]

yea ur right

[serene sluice]

grounded pokemon

[rancid goblet]

but lucha fini is still good

[blazing moth]

koko and rilla js better cores imo

w lucha

[serene sluice]

Im not really using lucha tho

[rancid goblet]

fini can help with the moltres march up

unlike rilla

[blazing moth]

so can koko

and koko doesn't need a scarf

[serene sluice]

Yo i dont care

[rancid goblet]

offensively yes

[serene sluice]

Can we get back on topic

[rancid goblet]

defensively no

flamethrower does like 40%

[rancid goblet]

fini runs scarf trick

so thats even better for lucha

u can trick threats like pex

corv

dondozo

[blazing moth]

ur playing short term anyways

switch in ko something keep going

or do big dmg

or pivot to sm threatening

u gotta make use of ur turns

anyways

[serene sluice]

Can we get back on topic

[blazing moth]

abt fini

[serene sluice]

Im not using fini lucha

[blazing moth]

uh yeah use scarf

w trick

[blazing moth]

mb

[rancid goblet]

thats not always the case

if u encounter stall trick fini would be optimal

[serene sluice]

Yo idc

Lets take a step back

[rancid goblet]

then use tapu fini with something like ting lu

[blazing moth]

if ur playing stall u got 5 mons that should easily break it together, stall kinda trash rn anyways

[blazing moth]

imo u should js restart you got too much type overlapping

[rancid goblet]

whatu

[serene sluice]

Eh

Unfort

I was considering one of the tapu's + melm and M-lati/Lop

As a core

[blazing moth]

what's the sinergy you saw in this core

dont melm and lop get checked but kinda the same stuff

[serene sluice]

Mainly fairy dragon steel (/speed control in lop)

[blazing moth]

u have speed control w fini

[serene sluice]

Im not too experienced in natdex so i generally dont know what gets checked by what

[serene sluice]

Well

[rancid goblet]

imo i dont think mega lopunny counts as speed control

[blazing moth]

it def does

[serene sluice]

I mean yeah ur right if im running scarf

[rancid goblet]

something like a dragon dance user or a scarf is what speed control is

[serene sluice]

It gets fake out

[blazing moth]

prio+decent speed tier

[rancid goblet]

lop gets forced out by zamazenta and dragapult

[blazing moth]

u js need a lele checked

[blazing moth]

what

[rancid goblet]

wdym what

[blazing moth]

dragapult

[rancid goblet]

zama comes in for free and clicks whatever

dragapult can pivot in on lopunny and threaten it with a will o wisp

[blazing moth]

bro

[rancid goblet]

or a specs draco

[blazing moth]

pult is banned

[rancid goblet]

oh yea

i was thinking about ou

my bad

[serene sluice]

252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Close Combat vs. +1 252 HP / 88 Def Zamazenta: 111-132 (28.6 - 34%) -- 98% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

Not really?

[rancid goblet]

thats so free lol

30% is nothing

[serene sluice]

Thats at + 1

[rancid goblet]

yea?

it gets +1

[blazing moth]

anyways u can still chip zama then switch to sm else if ur playing lop u need a solid def core anyways cause ur playing hstack most of the time

[rancid goblet]

magical

[serene sluice]

Its not coming into that more than once at neutral

[rancid goblet]

forcing it out once is enough for momentum

[blazing moth]

it's faster btw, u get forced out

[blazing moth]

this

[rancid goblet]

imo real speed control is a pokemon that can boost its speed or a scarf user

because if you encounter an opposing pokemon that can increase its speed and sweep u

[blazing moth]

although hdb zama kinda eh ur fine if u have a solid def core like i said here

[rancid goblet]

theres pmuch nothing u can do without a scarf pokemon

or a pokemon with a speed increasing move to apply pressure

[blazing moth]

and non hdb js gets super chipped w hazards + the attack

[rancid goblet]

like scarf tusk outspeeds dnite after +1 and destroys it with ice spinner

lopunny cant do that

[blazing moth]

scarf tusk is bad

[rancid goblet]

no its not

its great

[blazing moth]

js use lando atp

[serene sluice]

Why would i use that over lando

[rancid goblet]

tusk is faster also better at hazard control

and hits harder

[blazing moth]

yeah without a scarf😭

[serene sluice]

No its NOT

[rancid goblet]

hm?

[blazing moth]

fog scarf lando works bc u have intim anyways

[rancid goblet]

its better at hazard control than scarf lando

[serene sluice]

Tusk is 87

Lando is 91

[blazing moth]

yes, without a scarf

[rancid goblet]

with scarf

[blazing moth]

hdb tusk is amazing

[rancid goblet]

it takes less damage to rocks than lando

[blazing moth]

scarf tusk gets chipped by spikes

and slowed by webs

yara yara

so on and forth

[rancid goblet]

only thing scarf lando has over scarf tusk is u turn

[blazing moth]

scarf tusk js aint it

[rancid goblet]

scarf tusk has ice spinner

[serene sluice]

If i need consistent hazard removal im not relying on a scarfed pokemon in the first place

[blazing moth]

intim and flying type

[rancid goblet]

whats wrong with the fighting type

[serene sluice]

And taunt

[blazing moth]

also lando actually doesn't mind being locked nearly as much being locked into a move

[serene sluice]

Gets chipped by spikes

[rancid goblet]

tusk also has taunt

[rancid goblet]

?

[rancid goblet]

so doesnt tusk

[blazing moth]

bc choice locking is a momentum drain but intim outdoes it

[rancid goblet]

it has headlong rush cc and ice spinner

scsrf tusk applies way more pressyre than scarf lando

[blazing moth]

grounded

[serene sluice]

EQ rock slide u-turn applies plenty pressure

[blazing moth]

yes u have an sr quad resist but ur weak to every other hazard now

[serene sluice]

Since lando has a higher attack stat

[blazing moth]

and taunt scarf tusk is js an mu fish atp

[rancid goblet]

252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 8 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 165-195 (34.8 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO like this is insane chip to have on an alomomola

[blazing moth]

yk it can js wish right

ts is not good chip

[rancid goblet]

then switch lol

[serene sluice]

Its regening that

[blazing moth]

and then it flip turns w you and ur losing momentum by doing that alr

[rancid goblet]

next 1-2 switch ins it’ll be a 2hko

[rancid goblet]

than it didnt wish

[blazing moth]

and u did a solid 10 percent to it

💔

at best

[rancid goblet]

it did more than enough for it to be 2hko’d next time it comes in

[blazing moth]

mola forces scarf tusk even harder than normal

[serene sluice]

0 Atk Alomomola Flip Turn vs. -1 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 122-146 (32.8 - 39.3%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO

[rancid goblet]

it wont get forced when u legit 2hko it lol

[serene sluice]

Gang mola 2hko's YOU

[blazing moth]

it's a 3hko tho?

[rancid goblet]

that says 3hko

[blazing moth]

and it can js

tox u

[rancid goblet]

im saying after it switches out

and comes back in

[blazing moth]

balance teams can easily deal w tusk

[rancid goblet]

its 2kho range

[blazing moth]

esp a tusk w an ass set

[serene sluice]

0 SpA Alomomola Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Great Tusk: 140-168 (37.7 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

You're losing to alo 1v1

[rancid goblet]

if u stay in and click scald and u dont get the burn u just lose ur alomomola

[blazing moth]

if u struggling this much w mola u can js get a mon that kills it directly not some weird choice scarf games w tusk

[rancid goblet]

so idk what this proves

[serene sluice]

Even under rhe assumption you didnt it just flip turns qnd chips the shit out of u

[rancid goblet]

huh?

im showing u how much pressure scarf tusk applies

[blazing moth]

it doesn't

[rancid goblet]

it gets way more kos than lando

[blazing moth]

choice locked mons are alr

[rancid goblet]

also better stab moves

[blazing moth]

momentum drains

esp tusk

[serene sluice]

Lando gets rock slide

For dnite and yard

[rancid goblet]

you do know tusk also gets stone edge

[blazing moth]

and lando act isn't nearly as much a momentum drain bc u can js pivot

[rancid goblet]

but tusk has ice spinner for dnite

so it destroys it

[blazing moth]

all scarfer should be able to revenge kill or cripple w dnite at +1

lele has moonblast, shifu has spinner, ghold has trick and mir

tusk is not special bc of it

[serene sluice]

How are you gonna fit rock slide or stone edge

[blazing moth]

lando has stone edge

[rancid goblet]

tusk is bulkier than all those mentioned and they dont get ohko’d

[serene sluice]

Tusk still gets chipped to death because it literally cant pivot at all

[blazing moth]

tusk is also ass and everything else besides bulk and most def isn't bulkier than a lando with intimidate

[rancid goblet]

just hard switch?

[serene sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[blazing moth]

scarf tusk js aint it

[serene sluice]

And drain momentum

[rancid goblet]

pivoting in gen 9 isnt as common as it used to be

can run a team with 0 pivots

n

[blazing moth]

if ur runnig ho sure but ho teams dont run choice scarfers anyways

[serene sluice]

Also stone edge scarf great tusk is MU fishing to death

[blazing moth]

if ur running a team w no pivoting at all it's most def bad

[rancid goblet]

i have 1720 elo and all im using is a team with glowking as a pivot

[blazing moth]

i can get no sr at cartain cases but no pivot unless it's hyper offense is a bad idea

[rancid goblet]

genuinely volt turn teams are dead

[blazing moth]

then you have a pivot

simple as that

[rancid goblet]

one single pivot

[blazing moth]

yeah

[rancid goblet]

you can run one single pivot with scarf tusk too

like

[blazing moth]

you said NO pivots

[rancid goblet]

doesnt make a difference

[blazing moth]

not saying u have to play volt turn

i said a team w no pivkts at all is trash

[rancid goblet]

i have a hydrapple team with 0 pivots and im 6-1 with it

[blazing moth]

ts is not impressive

[rancid goblet]

how is it supposed to be impressive?

im showing u pivots arent mandatory

[serene sluice]

Nobody said they are

[blazing moth]

how is it supposed to relevant

[rancid goblet]

then why are u making a big deal out of scarf tusk being unable to pivot?

[serene sluice]

But like

Given the choice between 2 mons

[blazing moth]

this doesn't prove anything

[serene sluice]

Id rather use the one that has the option to just pivot our to get extra chip damage

Compared to great tusk doing fuck all and dying

[rancid goblet]

huh?

[blazing moth]

it doesn't show me shit

[rancid goblet]

so by what ur saying something like scarf hoopa unbound is unviable?

[serene sluice]

Like i feel like theres more argument for scarf treads here than tusk

[rancid goblet]

scarf kyurem is unviable?

[blazing moth]

p close to it yea

[serene sluice]

I mean

Yeah?

Who the fuck is using scarf hoopa

[rancid goblet]

scarf kyurem was literally super popular back then

[blazing moth]

I'd say a c+ mon at best

[rancid goblet]

scarf hoopa is great

[blazing moth]

keep up bro

[rancid goblet]

there are literally tournament playoffs where they brought scarf hoopa

[serene sluice]

BACK THEN

[blazing moth]

talkm bout some back then

[rancid goblet]

the meta didnt change

scarf kyurem is still viable with glowking

[blazing moth]

it most def did if scarf kyurem is not as popular

[rancid goblet]

chilly reception and click scarf blizzard

kyurem’s usage fell overall

[serene sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-gif-17318620525011324687

[rancid goblet]

av alomomola is in every corner kyurem cant do anything

[blazing moth]

kyurem one of the best mons rn but it's def not cause of scarf

[rancid goblet]

??

huh

[blazing moth]

so the meta did change

[rancid goblet]

i never even said scarf made kyurem good

also that doesnt mean anything

i said kyurem’s usage fell from what it used to be

its less used now

[blazing moth]

you were arguing it was viable

when it rly isn't allat

at all

[rancid goblet]

yes it was viable

it was used

[blazing moth]

was

[rancid goblet]

scarf blizzard after chilly reception

still usable now

the alomomola match up is the only threat

[blazing moth]

w specs or whatever not scarf

scarf is genuinely mid

at best

[rancid goblet]

specs?

[blazing moth]

yes specs is actually usable

[serene sluice]

Theres more argument to run scarf serp than kyurem

[blazing moth]

scarf is eh at best

[blazing moth]

both are mid on their best days

[serene sluice]

Thats the point

[rancid goblet]

that doesnt even mean anything

i said scarf kyurem was viable

same for scarf hoopa

[serene sluice]

But its like

Kinda not

[blazing moth]

both suck

[rancid goblet]

scarf serperior is legit one of the best scarfers

like what r u saying

[blazing moth]

hat trick of bad takes

[serene sluice]

Hoopa itself is barely viable even with its best items

[serene sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-gif-17318620525011324687

[rancid goblet]

scarf serperior was legit used in a gen 9 ou tourney and it won

also one of the best players in gen 9 ou legit uses scarf serperior and rillaboom

[blazing moth]

bro

[serene sluice]

Articuno won in a VGC tourney that doesnt make it viable

[blazing moth]

this is not svou

[rancid goblet]

thats vgc?

[rancid goblet]

scsrf serp is still viable

in nd ou

[serene sluice]

And you're talking about sv

[blazing moth]

svou and ndou are two different metagames

[rancid goblet]

since scarf serp in ou ran giga drain, leaf storm, glare and knock off

[blazing moth]

one has fucking tera

[rancid goblet]

here it can run hidden power

[rancid goblet]

it ran tera grass

[blazing moth]

the differences this makes on it's own are huge

[serene sluice]

Do you know WHY?

Or are you just

Talking

[blazing moth]

ndou and svou are complete parallels for most shit other than ghold, gambit and tusk good

[rancid goblet]

scarf serp legit clicks glare on everything and opens up passages for ur other teammates to sweep

and if u dont wanna do that

u can click leaf storm and chip everything

[serene sluice]

Why are you so fucking stubborn

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[rancid goblet]

tell me what makes scarf serp bad in gen 9 national dex

i’ll wait

[serene sluice]

Unviable doesnt mean bad

[rancid goblet]

?

[serene sluice]

A-tails isnt viable in svou anymore that doesnt mean its bad

[rancid goblet]

thats what unviable means

[rancid goblet]

?

[serene sluice]

No its not

[rancid goblet]

alolan ninetales is literally still viablew

[blazing moth]

while also being a momentum drain bc u lock urself INTO glare, this is not a rest choice band zygarde typa case

[rancid goblet]

whats he saying

[serene sluice]

Maybe im confusing meta and viablr

[rancid goblet]

huh

[serene sluice]

But you literally understand what in saying

[rancid goblet]

u lock urself into defog on lando

[blazing moth]

ur a momentum drain who's walled even harder by ur usual checks and not much of value, serp is ho mon anyways why tf u running a scarf in ho

[rancid goblet]

whats ur point

[rancid goblet]

who said serp is an ho mon? LMAOO

[serene sluice]

Lando gets intimidate

[blazing moth]

that different bc u have intim

[rancid goblet]

serp gets contrary

[blazing moth]

what's that worth u using glare

[serene sluice]

Wtf is contrary gonna do outsjde of leafstorm

[rancid goblet]

and u have a 120 bp move that doubles in power after each click

[blazing moth]

oh and no sub btw

[serene sluice]

Switch into defog?

[blazing moth]

normal serp does this without locking itself to be hard waled by heatran

what's ur point

[rancid goblet]

u get hard walled by heatran with way

[serene sluice]

And with a sub

[serene sluice]

Scarf leaf storm

[blazing moth]

ur js describing serps normal niche, not what makes scarf serp good

[rancid goblet]

huh?

[next forge]

[rancid goblet]

he said lando has intimidate

i said that

im making fun of him

[next forge]

[serene sluice]

Thats a piss poor way to make fun of me lmao

[next forge]

can we not

[blazing moth]

this gotta be ragebait bro

[rancid goblet]

how am i ragebaiting

[serene sluice]

Lando's presence alone puts pressure through intim on phys attackers

Scarf serp gets hard walled by heatran

[rancid goblet]

ur the one saying scarf pokemon without a pivot move are bad

[rancid goblet]

and scarf lando gets walled by corviknight

[serene sluice]

You keep using the worst examples

Also i never said that

[next forge]

what team is this for

[blazing moth]

no we said scarf tusk is nothing over lando bc of this reason

[rancid goblet]

how scarf serp tusk and kyurem a bad example

[serene sluice]

A team im not even using anymore

Lmao

[rancid goblet]

both are extremely viable

[next forge]

well if thats the case yall should just chill

[blazing moth]

without scarf*

[rancid goblet]

scarf tusk has its pros over lando

[serene sluice]

If you want an examole of good scarfers with no pivoting moves

[rancid goblet]

ur saying lando is better in every way

[serene sluice]

Bring up lele

Or ghold

Or kartana

[serene sluice]

The convo's gotten super off topic

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/49fc5eaaf65a250f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/ef80d2bdbfdb6ffa

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/466d8423fd91b5ba

[gilded zephyr]

Anybody got a nd ou pivot team

[blazing moth]

ferro>hammu u need a secondary switch to pon besides torn-t

also helps u deal w mola and bolt better

other than that it's js a rain team

[blazing moth]

knock off>temper flare on tusk maybe besides that there's not much to solve at least without replacing sm

speaktof which u lack speed control

[blazing moth]

scarf... explosion? 😭
anyways u need rocks
and maybe slowking>slowbro bc of chilly reception

[blazing moth]

• blizzard specs ofc

shiest af

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/4188584749af6ab3 i js made this new version of team inmade like last week if u wanna test it

[rigid lotus]

What garchomp set is best rn?

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/298748f0d9c1c7eb
Can’t find good valiant and wellspring counter.

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

im down to replace some mons

[amber ice]

i tried scarf tusk the other day but idk

[spring plume]

https://pokepast.es/688d8616499bd177

how can I improve this team, I’m thinking of replacing maybe enamorus

[blazing moth]

imo sd dragonium and tankchomp but it depends on ur team

[blazing moth]

not it

set is ass

[blazing moth]

why do you have 2 z moves

anyways there's of lot checks to woger: raging bolt, dnite, kommo-o, chesnaught (niche), venu mega, scarf kartana

latios mega too

and zama short term

imo replace kart w one of these and ur fine

[blazing moth]

scarf fini/urshifu>pon
dark glasses on gambit
dnite>enamorus so you have a yard/pon check + sdf core

[spring plume]

appreciate it

[spring plume]

What does sdf core mean and also what set on dnite would u reccomend

[amber ice]

sorry not scarf tusk i meant lando 😭😭😭

[blazing moth]

hdb roost and sdf is steel dragon fairy which is like a cool triple type core

[spring plume]

Oh nice, again tysm

[blazing moth]

oh, then aight sounds good to me

be careful w kyurem tho

[amber ice]

bet

oh yah you said i might need to change things to make the team better

what needs changing?

oh yah

also how come not temper flare?

[blazing moth]

yeayea u need a sm to soft check the goat

[celest merlin]

Diancie-Mega (Gen 9)

Typing

Rock / Fairy

Abilities

0: Magic Bounce

Base Stats (BST: 700)

50 / 160 / 110 / 160 / 110 / 110

Weight

27.8 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[amber ice]

ohhh

[blazing moth]

destroys ur whole shit

[amber ice]

hmmm

😭😭😭

[blazing moth]

iron moth aint doing mich there imo

[amber ice]

scarf ghold > scarf lando?

[blazing moth]

what no lando is fine

although if u go for a scarf ghold over iron moth

[amber ice]

oh

[blazing moth]

u can come back w the tusk for ur team

or use a non choice locked lando

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/491548b51f156c6d

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

also it's because u don't have a knocker and temper doesn't hit much of anything besides ferro but ur running sun aka a terrible mu for ferro anyways

[amber ice]

ahh

fair enough

[blazing moth]

where's the gholdengo

now you js have 2 grounds that do the same thing

[amber ice]

i thought you said lando over ghold

[blazing moth]

nononono 😭

[amber ice]

sorry i meant scarf lando over iron moth earlier

not over tusk

[blazing moth]

nah if u using lando u not using tusk

[amber ice]

oh 😭

[amber ice]

how come?

[blazing moth]

ur js overlapping like that

[amber ice]

ahh

[blazing moth]

3 grounds

2 of em set rocks

iron moth->scarf ghold

tusk->lando (optional)

if u go w tusk give ur ting lu spikes instead of rocks

[amber ice]

how come?

i thought i needed knock on tusk

[blazing moth]

oh yeah right

mb

💔

[amber ice]

all good

is rocks still good on tinglu?

[blazing moth]

✅

[amber ice]

swag

https://pokepast.es/335966702ea82ab2

[blazing moth]

seems good to me, you could also try heal wish eject button hatt but it's not required

[amber ice]

sweet

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/0ba5455e2c0ac9d8

[hollow fern]

How do u make teams so fast lol ur always posting so many

[amber ice]

necessity 😭

im hosting a casual tournament w my homies soon

they dont really play mons so its really just for fun lmfao

[hollow fern]

Lol makes sense

[amber ice]

but i build around their favorite mons

(or the ones that are viable at least)

[hollow fern]

Fair

Do u test most of them that much?

[amber ice]

except for one guy who is insistent on using swalot (or gulpin) stall or pressure stall

[amber ice]

yep

[hollow fern]

Nice

[blazing moth]

i have a pressure stall team i stole from a dude if u want

it's kinda ass

like

bring 1/2 wallbreakers and u auto win

but u could give it to ur friend

let him find out on his own that the strat sucks ig 😭

[amber ice]

uhhh

it might be the same

hol up

ill send mine

https://pokepast.es/c42caffb1f72d742

[blazing moth]

it's not

[amber ice]

zayum.......

okay bet send the team

[amber ice]

all pressure stall is ass 😭

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/8c993c5966c05f46

[blazing moth]

exactly

[amber ice]

wow this is actually heinous

[blazing moth]

dw kill the pawmot and u auto win

[amber ice]

match up fish and noob trap but

yk

[blazing moth]

team's fun to use but rly ass

[amber ice]

as far as match up fishes and noob traps go 😭

[amber ice]

fax

i do like suicune tho

ill keep this team too incase they like either-or better

[blazing moth]

interchangeable w kyurem i think

[amber ice]

sweet

[blazing moth]

(cough also tbolt>discharge)

[amber ice]

okay bet

[amber ice]

okay bet

[sage dagger]

https://pokepast.es/56bd09a58eda9575
Rate team please

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

this looks like a gen8 team

spikes just owns this

ghold is also pretty dire since you don't have a way to bring in weav

[sage dagger]

What changes would u recommend?

[potent furnace]

drop mgall that guy sucks and also overlaps with sd weav

id run like bolt here probably?

[crisp rain]

https://pokepast.es/fc66315980812308

pls tell me if any pokemon is to be removed and what to replace it with

[hollow fern]

Darkrai is banned in natdex

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/c5bc98074e6d1541 @limber crypt

[limber crypt]

any calcs blizz kyu gets

ferrothorn but you have ace and zama

id say just ice beam and hdb zama then its fine

could also consider torn as ur fogger for better pon mu

[hollow fern]

Big damage in general ig-just tossed it on cause I have gking

[hollow fern]

Is the kyu mu manageable without av?

And yard/volc

[limber crypt]

hmm yeah i think keeping av might be worth then

[blazing moth]

how old is this team

tera types and darkrai

[crisp rain]

from last year

i havent played in a year

[blazing moth]

ah okok fair that's why i was confused

anyways I'm fixing it rn

the sets aint it and clod js a passive blob there

amd u had no ground immune

which is particularly bad bc all ur mons take at least neutral

[crisp rain]

no yuh i havent touched this game all i have is my old sets

[blazing moth]

oh yeah i have news btw

[crisp rain]

what is it

[blazing moth]

big news ival fell off like crazy

[crisp rain]

he did?

[blazing moth]

it's like b+ at best rn

[crisp rain]

damn

[blazing moth]

ik i was inpressed af too

[crisp rain]

i remember he used to be really good last year

[blazing moth]

but we have ghold and av mola everywhere now

[crisp rain]

mola?

[blazing moth]

alomomola

[crisp rain]

oh

is it a setup?

alom

[celest merlin]

Alomomola (Gen 9)

Typing

Water

Abilities

0: Healer | 1: Hydration | H: Regenerator

Base Stats (BST: 470)

165 / 75 / 80 / 40 / 45 / 65

Weight

31.6 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[blazing moth]

it's this fish here

[crisp rain]

i know what pokemon it is

[blazing moth]

then wdym it's setup

[crisp rain]

i mean is it offensive or a settup pokemon

[blazing moth]

it's a defensive pivot

[crisp rain]

ok

i get it now

[blazing moth]

wish support/av

checks ival easily

anyways imma make urs sd

[crisp rain]

sd?

[blazing moth]

sowrds dance

[crisp rain]

sorry idk theres terms

oh

im lowk stupid

[blazing moth]

nah dont worry

[crisp rain]

if its lowk mid now u can replace it

[blazing moth]

anh it's alr on ur team

the only mon of ur offensive core i kept the others roles's are already done by ur defensive core

but having a setup sweeper cool

[crisp rain]

yuh

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/d8938b52b80a43c6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/1c97d0105be6dbcb

last slot can be whatever i guess?

preferably a spiker

maybe pon/ferro

[crisp rain]

pon

?

oh

rock pon?

which type @blazing moth

[blazing moth]

the water one

rock pon is mid and the ability/type doesn't help the team much

also it's a much worse rock setter

spikes**

[crisp rain]

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Power Whip
• Spikes
• Stealth Rock
• Knock Off

is this good

[blazing moth]

spikes and 176 spdef

[crisp rain]

i have spikes

[blazing moth]

ah ok it said stealth rocks there

[blazing moth]

with 80+ defense

[crisp rain]

ok

[blazing moth]

I'll rate later if nobody doesn't in my place ok? I'm going to a skate park rn

[amber ice]

oh yeah no worries

have fun yo

[hollow fern]

tbh gengar is prob very outclassed by ghold-the one thing u get is more speed but ur not hitting a crazy speed tier or anything

110 is good but u lose steel typing, bulk, recovery

even slight power

[amber ice]

yeah......

im trying to make it work but literally every game im sacking it 😭😭😭

[hollow fern]

lol yeah makes sense

the team has some weaknesses to stuff like yard and woger

who look pretty rough

[rancid goblet]

https://pokepast.es/d5bc49e3ea5e9b89 https://pokepast.es/ac1780ad1b2e1f5f what u guys think of my mega delphox teams

[blazing moth]

focus blast>grass knot on delphox still hits ttar and mega gren while also letting u hit heatran

does around the same dmg on mola too

which u literally hit harder w psyshock already

also why are you using x scissor hanurott

doesn't do anything over sacred sword

if we counting that mega excadrill is playable wherever ur using those teams then the second team also lacks a check for it

which is like borderline mandatory bc yes bro is that good 😭

other than that they're cool, u might wanna go fire blast on delphox too bc the extra bp actually helps u a bit unlike other cases like volc and yard ig

but it's not necessary

[rancid goblet]

fuck no

grass knot is always better

[rancid goblet]

i know the 2nd team is weak to excadrill?

but theres no way to fit in a pokemon that beats excadrill

its psuspam

[rancid goblet]

fire blast?

you do know my delphox set is just a set made by blunder and pokeaimmd right

delphox is frail

if you miss one move you’re losing it

[rancid goblet]

+2 grass knot destroys mola

im not clicking focus blast on an alomomola

[rancid goblet]

i literally dont need a way to hit heatran when i have a samurott, a dnite and a great tusk

[rancid goblet]

Becausei forgot it even learned sacred sword and i needed a way to beatgreninja

[blazing moth]

yeah well you have to find a way or else the team is bad

ur not js not packing a check to it, you're particularly weak to it too

[blazing moth]

ok i js said you could consider fire blast

[blazing moth]

+2 252 SpA Delphox-Mega Psyshock vs. 8 HP / 248 Def Alomomola: 279-328 (58.9 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Delphox-Mega Grass Knot (60 BP) vs. 8 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Alomomola: 232-274 (49 - 57.9%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO
Like I said, psyshock already does more, you dont go out of your way to get a move to kill mola when it doesn't even do it as well as your stab

[rancid goblet]

also grass knot is just overall better for ttar

its my way of beating sand

focus blast misses i just lose LMAOO

it ohkos ttar after a nasty plot

[rancid goblet]

that team is psyspam and theres no way i can fit a pokemon that beats mega excadrill

[blazing moth]

you know ttar is quad weak to fighting right

grass knot not even a guaranteed ohko at +2

and at +0 focus blast at least has a chance to ohko it

you're just passing on the objectively better coverage that hits literally the same mons + heatran for no reason

[blazing moth]

anyways sacred sword does that too

[rancid goblet]

you know focus blast has a 30% chance to do no damage right

[blazing moth]

it's still the objectively better move for delphox

ur also risking rolls w grass knot vs ttar

[rancid goblet]

+2 252 SpA Delphox-Mega Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 404-476 (118.4 - 139.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[blazing moth]

this is not the ev spread ttar runs

[rancid goblet]

thats choice band ttar

wyob

[blazing moth]

nobody uses this?

[rancid goblet]

??

lmfao what

choice band ttar is the most common ttar

[blazing moth]

it's the mega

[rancid goblet]

i’ve fought excadrill 2 times in the hasbullza tourney

i won

[rancid goblet]

if they use mega ttar then mega excadrill doesnt matte.r

[blazing moth]

second team still utterly destroyed by it

[rancid goblet]

?

i beat mega excadrill with the 2nd team

so its fine

and im in round 2

and i literally told u

“yea i know ir gets destroyed by mega excadrill?

so stop repeating

if u dont have a flying steel type ur gonna lose to mega excadrill always

its a ban worthy pokemon

[blazing moth]

ur flying loses to it anyways

[rancid goblet]

same for mega barbaracle with tough claws cc

both of them are ban worthy

[blazing moth]

so adapt to it cause it's best u can do rn

😭

[rancid goblet]

skarmory?

[blazing moth]

second

[rancid goblet]

skarmory does not lose to excadrill bro

[blazing moth]

i said

the second

[rancid goblet]

the 2nd i literally told u

“It loses to mega excadrill”

[blazing moth]

the second has dnite

[rancid goblet]

its not an analysis

[blazing moth]

then pack something to defeat it

[rancid goblet]

like

tell me

[blazing moth]

skarm/corv

they're like borderline mandatory rn

[rancid goblet]

tell me how am i gonna fit both of them on psyspam

[blazing moth]

exca is that influential

[rancid goblet]

no

tell me how am i gonna fit them on psyspam

if j replace dnite

the team loses a set up sweeper

[blazing moth]

over ur other flying there

[rancid goblet]

and some speed control

if i put corv

team just hard loses to mega chandelure

[blazing moth]

idef is there for those

[blazing moth]

js take out melm

corv checks the same stuff basically

except for like ghold

[rancid goblet]

av melm is there for mega dragalge

[blazing moth]

why would u rather pack a check to an ok at best mega before the top 3 mega 😭

[rancid goblet]

mega dragalge is common

it walls every special attacker

if mega delphox had levitate here

i wouldnt need a mega excadrill check that badly

[blazing moth]

252 SpA Delphox-Mega Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragalge-Mega: 290-344 (107 - 126.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

does it

[rancid goblet]

thats psyshock

also ur missing hp and def evs

[blazing moth]

which is what most run

[blazing moth]

hm true mb

252 SpA Delphox-Mega Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dragalge-Mega: 212-252 (63.4 - 75.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[rancid goblet]

it walls every special attacker thats not a psychic type pokemon with a psyshock that has 160 base spatk

[blazing moth]

still an ass calc for it

[blazing moth]

it also doesn't wall lele, kyurem and a bunch other shit

dawg this guy has no recovery

[rancid goblet]

it walls mega greninja

which is y jt wont be as good as it is in the pet mod

it needs regenerator

and judging from its entry its most likely getting regenerator

[blazing moth]

js ice beam on the switch+rocks then get out you'll overwhelm by the third time this happens

[rancid goblet]

if it had regenerator that strat would be useless

[blazing moth]

good thing it has poison point ig

[rancid goblet]

whenever i try to build good delphox team

i always end up building the exact same team as the first 1

i believe thats just as good as it gets

delphox samurott and corv/skarmory

and tapu lele

[blazing moth]

it's also fodder for ghold... you know the best special attacker in ndou

[rancid goblet]

whats fodder for ghold

[blazing moth]

dragalge apparently

[rancid goblet]

no

its gonna run hp fire and ohko ghold

[blazing moth]

0 SpA Dragalge-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 84 SpD Gholdengo: 110-130 (29.1 - 34.3%) -- 4.1% chance to 3HKO

[rancid goblet]

but i think once it comes out in champions its going to get fire blast like all the other dragon types

[blazing moth]

dawg

[rancid goblet]

or a coverage move

[rancid goblet]

nice fake calc lol

[blazing moth]

go do it

lmao

[rancid goblet]

0 SpA Dragalge-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 500-590 (158.7 - 187.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[blazing moth]

you know most gholds are bulky right

[rancid goblet]

you do know im trolling right

[blazing moth]

0 SpA Dragalge-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo: 120-142 (38 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

anyways

[rancid goblet]

0 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragalge-Mega: 109-129 (40.2 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

bulky dengo does so little to 0 investment dragalge

[blazing moth]

what's that worth when u get a free +6

[rancid goblet]

its gonna get a coverage move

and it’ll be the ultimate dengo wall

[weak shadow]

https://pokepast.es/35b6933c060fdb62

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

specs torn

also generally I’d go wellspring here over shifu

otherwise you may struggle w/ mola

[weak shadow]

+1 252+ SpA Archaludon Electro Shot vs. 8 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Alomomola: 346-408 (73.1 - 86.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

worked for me so far

[weak shadow]

i'm using AV to scout special attacker moves but i'll try specs

[potent furnace]

mola is not staying in on archa

if it is its clicking mirror coat and you’re exploding

[weak shadow]

👍

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/bca3027a2302accd

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gentle pecan]

can i get help for this natdex doubles team?

https://pokepast.es/9905ffe282f391c2

[celest merlin]

Hey @gentle pecan, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexdoubles team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[blazing moth]

pretty sure there's a channel specifically for it

[gentle pecan]

alr

leme check rq

[blazing moth]

yeah its natdex ot

[gentle pecan]

alr thx

[blazing moth]

why'd you recover on ghold atp

ur not bulky so

personally I'd just for another coverage move ig

also u should have a harder counter to tusk lowk? i think? like it comes in on whatever and either kills it or spins

could say the same for pagos too to but you can do mind game w ghold and break the shield either way

prob go baloon ghold so u have some better counterplay to tusk

and at least for a temporary ground immune too that should do

other than that idk maybe take out hands and get a new z user? preferably that matches well into torn-t and zap packing heat wave ig, maybe js give it to hands and ball idk

[serene hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/ba6de2cdd5d23ee2

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[serene hemlock]

Thought anyone

[potent furnace]

team feels unfocused

there isn't really a definitive gameplan here

z celebrate victini feels super out of place

also super lele weak

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/66aaecaf3d505fbb

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/3c0884aa58a9ba75 i feel like this is one of my better teams idk tho still would like secondary opinions to know improvements

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tame galleon]

hello
could I get opinions on this

https://pokepast.es/91e79c79823049d5

[hollow fern]

This team is pretty all over the place and lacks fundamentals such as a ground type or speed control-some of the mon choices/move choices are also pretty weird like z porygon doesnt really fit here

Id recommend using samples to understand the meta better

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/c7edc4770058a075

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

lokix is competing mega lopunny here

i'd drop one and run a bolt check since you get run over by that guy super hard rn

if you drop lokix you can run like z bolt and if you drop mlop you can run like mega latios

[nocturne summit]

oh okay, I'll drop mlop, CB first impression with tinted lens can tear holes

[nocturne summit]

btw what's the best set for mlatios in this team?

[potent furnace]

roost 3a

luster purge for sure rest is whatever you want

id do ice beam because gliscor looks problematic

last can be aura sphere or mystical fire

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/3fc29274f68facfb better?

[potent furnace]

oh id run flamethrower gking here over twave

other than that looks good

this team looks spooky into ferro

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/02bfc31a7e9f5a47 any thoughts?

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/c3658ac1595d8378

[blazing moth]

gambit->supreme overlord over defiant
ghold-> at least 60 speed for uninvested lando and opposing Kingambit, take out of your spatk and spdef and give it to speed instead, also make the nature bold since it allows it to survive an eq from 248 atk lando iirc
pretty sure skarmory also uses a couples of speed EVs, 96 for 252 speed adamant Kingambit iirc
and kyurem runs 56 HP EVs on the subroost set

you also need hazard removal

[tame galleon]

why would a ground type be so fundamental ?
same as speed control. do you mean trick room, webs, tailwind ?

as for pz he's potent at what he does I don't really have a better option in term of useful/fun ratio
most people expect some specs stuff and I think I can catch them off guard while covering most of the type chart

but if you have better ideas i'm absolutely open !

[blazing moth]

for the ground question, it's just that good of type, defensively and especially offensively
for the speed question, all of those are kinda gimmicky in 6v6 singles, except for webs (and all of which require you to build the team around said moves), hovercat is talking a choice scarfer, or just a really fast mon (like 400+ speed when fully invested)

[hollow fern]

Z porygon mainly is only a choice for hyper offense teams as the only thing he does is setup a single time and try to win-he doesnt do anything else for the team and is just dead weight unless he manages to cheese out a win

As for ground types yeah basically they're very good mons and being able to block volt switch is pretty important

And speed control refers to immediate speed not setup speed so something like a pokemon holding a choice scarf or a pokemon with high base speed

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/66cb7d48c2c74fbf

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/a9fb28c7b2395056

[blazing moth]

hello there! this looks fairly urshifu and especially ogerpon-wellspring weak

you could try replacing iron crown with raging bolt instead
then maybe replace tyranitar with Kingambit

i also dont think your lopunny needs triple axel since you already have a whole kyurem there to kill the gliscors, landos and zapdos'

[blazing moth]

oh actually forget it this version is probably better, only changes i can see u making is headlong rush>eq on tusk and maybe supercell slam with a z move so you can kinda smack alomomola better who'd otherwise sit most of your whole team either flip or toxic

oh and give your scarf ghold recover over focus blast so it can check lele more consistently

[blazing moth]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-ogerpon-wellspring-tera-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-16915269632910713693

shrek kills u pretty bad

dozo also looks fairly random and uninvited there too

[blazing moth]

no rates for u i hate you

anyways scarf ghold looks a bit good into this but managable ig

isn't it a bit anti sinergetic that u have an eq chomp in a gterrain team too, still hits hard but like not as hard and the z makes you pass up on loaded dice so both your stabs are weaker

also you look a good bit mscizor weak

needs more fire

[unkempt stump]

maybe replace chomp to agresive tusk with temper flare

[blazing moth]

I'd say giving heat wave to zapdos should be enough

[round gust]

Went for an offensive bulk style setup

[nocturne summit]

'Pretty bad' is a bit overexaggerated, there is no tera it's far more managable without it's tera, lop can safely fake it out and destroy it with close combat, ye I was kinda testing with the last spot

[blazing moth]

the problem isn't tera

the problem is 4/6 take se from its stabs

and get outsped

the other two also take se from superpower and lopunny is pretty frail

it doesn't even need tera to destroy the team, the base stab combination already does that

your best switch in is kartana

252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kartana: 236-278 (91.1 - 107.3%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

and it never kills ogerpon from full

ogerpon is basically guaranteed a kill unless your opp plays like really really bad

I'm sorry but I'm not exaggerating at all it's really bad matchup

same with yard but to a lesser extent ig

[serene sluice]

How you gonna ask for advice than when someone gives it you're like

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[round gust]

Made some changes to be a more well rounded and less vulnerable

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/0a5dcb4b268bfec9

[blazing moth]

hello :) you're mixing a lot of archetypes here

a lead, a mola that's more inclined to balance/fat teams and some bo mons

[serene sluice]

Glimmora is basically solely an HO lead

[blazing moth]

your team looks fairly weak to cinderace icl

i dont think ogerpon is particularly great as your one and only water resist since it's so afraid of chip damage

[serene sluice]

Doesnt ogerpon kinda tear through this as well

[blazing moth]

not nearly as much bc ig at least zapdos doesn't have a truly trash mu into ace like literally everything else in the team

[serene sluice]

You mean into oger?

[blazing moth]

mhm

zap actually kinda does the same into both icl

like

get chipped and ur dying

except pon is susceptible to para too

and ace not as much bc u js spam pyro and gunk/wisp

[serene sluice]

Is it really?

Ivy isnt a contact move

[blazing moth]

power whip is

[serene sluice]

Why are we assuming oger is clicking power whip

With how spammable ivy is

[blazing moth]

his own

[serene sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-bron-scared-im-scared-gif-9086856978205918508

I mean like

His oger is also getting chipped to death

[blazing moth]

?

[blazing moth]

huh

[serene sluice]

So idk if its even lasting long enough for water absorb mind games

[serene sluice]

You said it yourself

[blazing moth]

it's literally his best bet

[serene sluice]

And its not a good one

I thought we were like

Agreeing on that

[blazing moth]

never said it was

i js said ace is a worse mu

bc he can actually do sm vs pon

sm very unreliable but sm nontheless

but ace js click pyro the whole game an the moment zap is even a bit chipped it's a 2hko on switch

and u cand mind games w u turn to zap the opp can js not u turn and lose effectively nothing mid-long term

but moment the opp gets a pon on field his best bet is to catch a para w it

and u either get the para or it gets forced out bc that's the midground

[serene sluice]

If you gotta roll a dice to have a winnable MU its cooked bro

[blazing moth]

dice roll vs unwinnable unless ur opp is genuinely ass

again I'm not saying pon is good mu it's js not as bad

[dense zinc]

https://pokepast.es/c18c5c28653590f1

who can be the last slot,,,,

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense zinc]

or do i need to change a mon before that

mmaw really is a mon of all time

[blazing moth]

idt u need a wishfish mola there

av prob better

also ur overlapping a lot of fore weakness there

hdb mola prob ain't taking a grassium z heatran after magama storm

idk how much better av does but it prob takes it

superpower pon probably also does good into u

oh and yard u super lose to yard

maybe get a check to those and see how it goes from there

i think z move dnite also a big threat maybe

hdb ur fine tho

also volc the moment it gets a +1 ur dead

[dense zinc]

that's what i was thinking i'm volc food

🕊️

or any fire type

[blazing moth]

i think the 3 could maybe be passable if u get another resist

i think maybe dnite cool

ur also very weak to hstack ngl

like absolutely goobed by spikes

take this one w a grain of salt tho I'm not sure

[dense zinc]

prob to hamurott but I think i can get around with lando

[dense zinc]

does like 70 iirc

to av

[blazing moth]

manageable then ig

[blazing moth]

ghold?

[dense zinc]

oops

baked

[blazing moth]

i meant more like gliscor anyways but yeah

[dense zinc]

yea

baked moment

i jus need to find a way to not get mauled by any fire type that exists

[blazing moth]

.

[dense zinc]

true,,,

[blazing moth]

takes on yard n pon and shit

u could also try gambit over mawile but idk they kinda do the same

for ur team specifically at least

[dense zinc]

yeah but i love maw too much

lole

https://pokepast.es/8bc7066a6831cbe8

[round gust]

What would you recommend as alternatives for a more pointed BO team?

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/94a82a09a3665cd0

[blazing moth]

a scarfer/rly fast mon, you lack speed control

u also die to pon rn

[round gust]

Lele maybe?

[blazing moth]

maybe replace ur own pon with latios and replace glimm with a speed control

[blazing moth]

idt so it blocks sucker from maw and both maw and lele can thud into some steels

[gentle lintel]

https://pokepast.es/b805cd219a374767

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

kyurem feasts on this

this team in general is like

not taking full advantage of rain

but it's built like full rain

[gentle lintel]

By the way, I recently made a new team, replacing Togedemaru with Sharpedo. Initially, I wanted to make it so that the enemy would take damage when they attack my Pokemon, but I figured out that I only had 2 Pokemon at that time :0

[blazing moth]

i guess you dont wanna do replacements right

[gentle lintel]

https://pokepast.es/813506950ef99d0b
All in all, I quickly got used to my team, and here is a slightly improved team, I guess

I also have a completely new team, deciding to step away from my team a little

[blazing moth]

this doesn't solve the team's issues at all

[gentle lintel]

Yeah :" )

[gentle lintel]

How about this team? :0
https://pokepast.es/04931ad793f6d099
Yes, there is a small problem with ice attacks, but I played a little and, for example, Kyurem is not a problem for me :0

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/efdd3ebd96264f88 fixed it without replacements

[blazing moth]

give your ferro some leftovers

actually let me just

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/7fe62c79e6cdb5e8 there, fixed your sets

be careful with zap, pon, kyurem and shifu a bit

still, overall p solid like this

you comsider replacing tusk w something else like lando but idk

[gentle lintel]

Thank you very much!

[round gust]

What would the setup be for Latios? It can't be Mega since I'm already on Mawilite

[blazing moth]

oh right

js make the mawile Kingambit

problem solved

gambit better anyways

[icy elk]

i cant send the link, but can someone give tips to my rain team?

[round gust]

That's boring tho lol I don't wanna have to use the most picked mon in the meta

Plus I like Mawile and their Mega is as cool as it is strong

They're the reason I wanted to build a bulky offensive team to begin with

[hollow fern]

Dragon dance is unneeded on a mon with swift swim id probably just go specs with 4 attacks or some like life orb substitute thing for kingdra. Dont go +defense nature on zapdos since ur running offensive, just go timid and replace rain dance with roost. Replace energy ball on ferro with rocks since you dont have those anywhere else on ur team, and id move the z move to z fly on zapdos and make Barra choice band. Make swampert jolly nature and go defog on peli

Oh also go timid on kingdra

[icy elk]

craundawnt is a good substitute for kingdra or nah?

[hollow fern]

I dont think so

You have a lot of power already

[icy elk]

defog replacing toxic?

[hollow fern]

No weather ball

[icy elk]

and fly on zapdos replacing hurricane

[icy elk]

alright

[hollow fern]

No keep cane

I meant flyinium z by z fly mb

[icy elk]

oh okay

replacy energy ball with stealth rock?

[hollow fern]

Yeah

Ferro has extremely low special attack

And stealth rock is pretty important to have

[icy elk]

replaced everything

thanks

https://tenor.com/view/fuzzolance-ambulance-drive-gosling-gif-8487904973116878780

[hollow fern]

👍

[nimble thorn]

Hi, can anyone give me suggestions or even suggest my latest Pokémon? I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right channel, so I apologize for that

I started putting together my team and studying PvP about 5 days ago, so I still don't fully understand it

[hollow fern]

most of these movesets are pretty wacky and dont really work well, id recommend looking at smogon sample sets for an idea of what the pokemon run

id also say the chomp set, gren, and volc suggest this wants to be decently offensive but then the pex and glisc suggest a pretty balanced team

[nimble thorn]

Initially, I'm using Garchomp and Greninja for offensive play. I added Volcarona because I needed someone to cover the Ice or Grass type weakness

Actually, I'm putting together this team to play Cobblemon. But I ended up getting interested and even participated in some matches on Pokémon Showdown, I'm really interested in it

But as you can see, I still don't quite understand

[hollow fern]

Id go bulky volcarona here

And the bigger issues is most of the movesets dont work very well

[nimble thorn]

What could I do?

I haven't really gotten around to putting together a moveset for Volcarona yet, so I'm open to any suggestions

[hollow fern]

Like i mentioned going to smogon sample sets gives u a good overview of what they often run. To find them, go to the pokemon you want a set for, then go to their evs, and click "smogon analysis"

[nimble thorn]

I understand, will this give me the best moves?

[hollow fern]

It'll give you some good options yeah