NatDex OU Rates

[serene sluice]

Power whip or horn leech

[blazing moth]

it doesn't... learn... either? 😭

[serene sluice]

Oh

Damn brute bonnet is ass

[serene sluice]

They'll have to settle for seed bomb cause thats the only phys grass move it learns (besides trailblaze, but thats counter productive)

[blazing moth]

turns out it doesn't learn sd too so use close combat or growth or something @spring scaffold

[serene sluice]

This is all it gets

[blazing moth]

mhm

[serene sluice]

Holy shit that movepool is HORRIBLE

Its only setup move is fucking growth

[blazing moth]

it's doubles oriented

[serene sluice]

Even then with its typing theres

No reason to use it over amoongus

[blazing moth]

they're completely different in singles but yeah

tr is just ass

and so are most tr mons

[serene sluice]

TR atleast has aura

Bonnet is just a bum

[blazing moth]

❌

his best fot prob buzzwhole anyways

[serene sluice]

You cant tell me Ursaluna TR isnt pure aura

[blazing moth]

https://tenor.com/view/drones-gif-23526185

like this is literally every tr team btw 😭

[serene sluice]

Ok not as much aura as perish trap blah blah blah

[serene sluice]

Im speaking in terms of VGC

TR in singles is cool but its just

Ass

Like you could imagine

[blazing moth]

oh what

[serene sluice]

TR is cool as fuck in VGC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1393718069091766433.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=dorobald

[blazing moth]

hmmm, alright

most still use ursa if it's full tr but yea

[serene sluice]

Trickwind ursaluna

[wooden carbon]

Gallade-Mega @ Galladite
Ability: Sharpness
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
jolly Nature

• Aqua Cutter
• Sacred Sword
• Shadow Claw
• Psycho Cut

Clodsire (M) @ Ganlon Berry
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
adamant Nature

• Toxic Spikes
• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• Megahorn

Dragonite (M) @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
adamant Nature

• Aqua Jet
• Dragon Tail
• Extreme Speed
• Fire Punch

Zamazenta
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
adamant Nature

• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Fire Fang
• Psychic Fangs

Garchomp (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
jolly Nature

• Dragon Rush
• Brick Break
• Aqua Tail
• Poison Jab

Heatran @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flame Body
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
quiet Nature

• Eruption
• Flash Cannon
• Dragon Pulse
• Earthquake

is this good

[hollow fern]

You should use pokepaste to share your teams

The movesets on these pokemon are all over the place tho

Id recommend using sample sets/sample teams to learn the metagame

[wooden carbon]

my bad

[hollow fern]

Nah ur good no worries

[quiet yarrow]

This team is cracked

https://pokepast.es/9f9b969830a50e20

[celest merlin]

Hey @quiet yarrow, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[quiet yarrow]

Obliterates any stall and actually does fairly well against regular teams

Double regen+gliscor and you never die

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es

breh

oh the https

[cursive bison]

https://pokepast.es/42e9fce2e77cc8b8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cursive bison]

Hey guys, recently made this team, i wanna know what i can use to fill the last slot, its meant to be a webs offense that uses gholdengo and mimikyu as spinblockers

Initially i had volcarona in there but i dont find it successful, often times it gets walled hard

What can i change to make it better?

[blazing moth]

ghold -> air balloon np or something, scarf does nothing
sack mlop and mimikyu imo, lop is not good in ho and mimikyu sucks period

ghold alr works on its own as anti removal

esp w baloon

[cursive bison]

Lop strikes me as more of a balanced mon isnt it?

[blazing moth]

yes

[cursive bison]

Same with kyu?

[blazing moth]

it's good on balance and hazard stack

[blazing moth]

no mimikyu js sucks in general

like it's actually trash

[cursive bison]

My issue with hazard stack is the damn boots

[cursive bison]

I wouldnt go that harsh, its p ok as a tr setter?

[blazing moth]

no, it's actually js rly bad bro 😭💔

it doesn't do anything

[cursive bison]

Like, there's so many damn boots user that spikestacks kinda devolve to u playing whackamole with knock off

[blazing moth]

that's why you need 1/2 mons to that are immediate setup sweeper threats and dont all that much kn webs

[cursive bison]

Its a shame, i liked mimikyu

[blazing moth]

like uh lemme see rq

[cursive bison]

So...dragonite, gholdengo, smeargle, what do i add? Should i add volc back in?

[blazing moth]

yeah he's cool but he's a nothing burger

[blazing moth]

I'll look at the tier's mons rq to see what fits ur team gimme a couple mins

[cursive bison]

Whivh is a shame cuz i was looking for a yeam that can also use mimikyu

[blazing moth]

i mean u can use it

but

[cursive bison]

Iknow

[blazing moth]

it's not gonna do much

of anything

[cursive bison]

Out of topic but wb azumarill

[blazing moth]

def more workable than mimikyu

not great but

eh

webs dont make it much faster

tho

[cursive bison]

Shame

[blazing moth]

anyways tusk could be a good fit here, as the booster speed bulk up beats cinderace, who'd be an unplayable hard counter otherwise

also rids of ur side's hazards

if u run spin, which isn't mandatory i think

[blazing moth]

(it is forget it I'm dumb)

but yeah

tusk could be a good addition

[cursive bison]

Thats 4 mon down

What other mons i'd need? Cuz wirh dnite and tusk, thats 2 physical...sweeper?

Gholdengo is a sp attacker, maybe one more? Is therr other mons thats able to exploit webs? Or maybe knock off spammer?

[blazing moth]

yes

[blazing moth]

spamming knock isn't gonna do much in short games since webs teams are hyper, if the opp has sm e boots, keep going, trying to play the mid-long term isn't gonna do anything

if you're using something with knock, you're using it bc it's powerful and to one shot stuff with a sweeper, not to knock off boots specifically

anyways kart/ogerpon-wellspring could be cool additions, since they break most fatter teams on their own

ogerpon breaks more naturally and is faster, kart can use a z move and has a better defensive type all things considered

[cursive bison]

Not worried about having most sweeper be physical?

[blazing moth]

not rly, kart/ogerpon beat dondozo/alomomola who'd check you otherwise

[cursive bison]

...ah right

[blazing moth]

u need sm for moltres tho

[cursive bison]

So

Walking wake?

Idk im assuming water type sp attacker

[blazing moth]

actually you js need sm for moltres if you use kartana

[blazing moth]

what

that's... banned?

[cursive bison]

Oh sorry

[blazing moth]

allg dont worry

[cursive bison]

I just remembered facing that, way back when i played ages ago

[blazing moth]

u might need sm for terapagos

the 1 time resist is really useful and it can hit pretty much your whole team for big damage

[cursive bison]

So a ghost type that resist typical coverage it has?

Cuz other than smth that spams focus blast i dont remember anything that xan hit normal super effectively

In the sp side i mean

[blazing moth]

more like something that can setup on it

turn it's possible passivity to your advantage, the opp might get rid of hazard but u boost your way to win the game

i think volc could do that

or sm else like, maybe Hatterene or something idk

[cursive bison]

Volc it is

Thx a lot for the help ^^

Hey so, just curious, u said lopunny is good in balance

Would it be good with azu in the team too? Or do they just belong in 2 diff team

[blazing moth]

uh

you could make it work

on bulky offense team

since that's where they would both work together ig

mlop is good on bo too so

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/7475b61f132e54bc

[cursive bison]

https://pokepast.es/d343097251c28ac1

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cursive bison]

So i tried making this new bulky offense team, is there smth im missing?

[cursive bison]

half the team dies to flying types.....but i dont think there's a lot of flying type in natdex?

i think zapdos, mega charizard and corv might be a problem for them? idk

[hollow fern]

Yard and woger look pretty rough, you dont have any stealth rock setter, and theres no immediate power are the main issues imo. Id make ghold a bulkier set with a z move, make lando a bulky tusk so you have rocks+spin in one slot, then make woger a dnite to help with opposing woger/yard and ground immune

[cursive bison]

yard?

[cursive bison]

oh yeah i can do that

[hollow fern]

Mega charizard y

Although bolt still looks very rough

[cursive bison]

well worse case worse, Azu can live one big hit from it

[hollow fern]

Prob also just go uturn lop here since no pivoting elsewhere

[cursive bison]

right

the thing with that is i tend to notice most thing i switch out from has things that damage lopunny

rocky helmet, iron barbs

[hollow fern]

Then its up to you

[cursive bison]

so i just dont bother clicking u turn, and save that slot for facade cuz lopunny also always gets burned

and besides lopunny is so fast that whatever it switches out from is still damaging the next mon, the only diff is the chip damage that usually doesnt matter

[hollow fern]

Alr

It just makes it so you get safe guaranteed entry for stuff when your opponent switches out

Otherwise you need to double switch to get stuff in

[cursive bison]

ah fair...

i tend to suck when predicting switching, but i'll try

should i go hex ghold or normal bulk

[hollow fern]

Id go nasty plot here i think you need the power

[cursive bison]

for dragonite, bulky or all out offense?

[hollow fern]

Smth that might be good is spdef garchomp+zapdos instead of tusk+dnite

[cursive bison]

huh

i'll try both

https://pokepast.es/837a5b6a1f6fe5d5

for the dnite variant, half the team is running boots, is rapid spin still required? or at least on great tusk?

[hollow fern]

Yeah theres not really much reason to run tusk without rapid spin

The other half of your team doesnt enjoy spikes/rocks being up and knock off makes the boots mons still want removal

I think you also want helm tusk here

[cursive bison]

gotcha

[hollow fern]

Just seems nice to punish things clicking like tusk or zama

[cursive bison]

ikr??

[hollow fern]

Or lando clicking uturn lol

Etc etc

[cursive bison]

plus someone using triple axel will still get hit by big damage in return

...or maushold if that pops up-

[hollow fern]

Lol indeed

[cursive bison]

or....i guess urshifu

like its not a counter by any means but

actually i remember running an amoonguss with that

every time urshifu pops up mushroom says hello

[hollow fern]

Yeah helms so nice in general

Especially on alo lmao

[cursive bison]

https://pokepast.es/6cd915d725396011

so, this the zapdos ver, looking ok?

should chomp has smth else? i dont think it needs the rocky helm what with it being an sp tank

[hollow fern]

Yeah go lefties on chomp

[cursive bison]

gotcha

....man its rlly weird seeing garchomp in this role

[hollow fern]

And toxic over dragon tail to chip down stuff like alo over birds

Or birds*

[hollow fern]

Lol i get that

[cursive bison]

i kinda love it tho, cuz nothing beats ladder harder than an unconventional set

....seriously sometimes i see ppl who dont run smogon sets and its like

fighting someone blind-

[hollow fern]

And imo protect over spikes here but spikes might be nice so could be smth to play around with

Protect is just really consistent

For extra lefties+toxic damage

[cursive bison]

right

actually i'll go with protect

spikes is nice but zapdos' removal is defog

[hollow fern]

Yeah

[cursive bison]

i'd rather set up one layer and do smth else

[hollow fern]

Makes sense

[cursive bison]

thx for the help man, i'll try both ^^

[hollow fern]

Np! Hope ur testing goes well

[blazing moth]

you die to diancie and kyurem to an extent

[amber ice]

oh yeah

not even to an extent specs kyurem fries me

[blazing moth]

sciz is a check

[amber ice]

oh wait

how come diancie?

[blazing moth]

but w rocks up u can die

[blazing moth]

fairie + ground coverage

mystical fire for Scizor

[amber ice]

hmmm

am i in need of priority?

cuz im thinking volc > sciz

[blazing moth]

what no

you need a check to those threats because your defensive sinergy isn't there

volc helps w kyurem but diacie has an even easier time without Scizor

[amber ice]

hmmm

balloon heatran over sciz?

maybe tpagos > treads?

[blazing moth]

really doesn't help u soft check diancie or kyurem at all, if anything scizor is better dealing w both of em

[blazing moth]

this could be cool

[gentle pecan]

plz help w/ this

https://pokepast.es/471667ee231f2f39

[celest merlin]

Hey @gentle pecan, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexubers team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[gentle pecan]

?

[blazing moth]

your team is tagged as natdex ubers, prob a misclick at the builder dont worry

[gentle pecan]

alr

ty

[gentle pecan]

what can i replace and improve for this team?

[blazing moth]

power whip > gyro ball on ferro

and u cant check ogerpon-wellspring all that well

like, you cant switch into it rly well at all

and if it get one sd you are forced to sack something every time

[blazing moth]

also, if ur willing to replace something, do it w mimikyu, pretty sure I already said it yesterday but this guy is js bad

if u wanna use him cause that's ur fav or sm do it, but he sucks

[gentle pecan]

what can i replace her with?

[blazing moth]

a volcarona check

ur also weak to that

[gentle pecan]

example?

hmm

[blazing moth]

speaking of volc, give yours flamethrower

[gentle pecan]

alr

[blazing moth]

gimme a bit

[gentle pecan]

alr

thx tho

[blazing moth]

dragonite checks both volcarona and ogerpon-wellspring

ur best fit imo

now u can switch into both without a sack and you still have a setup sweeper

[gentle pecan]

okay

thx

[blazing moth]

u migh struggle a bit w moltres too btw

checks ur whole team but zap and greninja

and can tox both of those on switch

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/8a171091a0664085 how can I improve this balance ? open to any changes

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

urshifu -> scarf
iron valiant -> a dragon type like raging bolt or mlatios because otherwise you lose to ogerpon-wellspring

also u dont need two rockers, heatran is enough

gliscor seems like a better fit since it can set spikes on top of your rocks and does a very similar role to lando

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/1ffd6e63e8b75862

[blazing moth]

u might need a better volc check outspeeds everything u have at +1 and z move volc 2hkos kommo-o

kommo-o isn't the best of volc checks

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/45b56b5fcfd30aff

wait hold on new ideacore

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/ca78a60920de8f19

actually

what if i make gambit pursuit gambit

[blazing moth]

now you just die to kyurem and diancie harder like i said

[amber ice]

CURSE YOU TEAMBUILDING

CURSE YOU

[blazing moth]

you're overlapping weaknesses way too much

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/48f8486b200090bd

[amber ice]

should ingo ghold > cha

i was thinkin about scarf ghold

https://pokepast.es/8d6e7e36633cde14

[blazing moth]

if u pack recover sure

cause idt non recover scarf gonna able to check lele and stuff that consistently without recovery

[amber ice]

okay bet

WAIT

gimme a sec mb i keep changing the team and sending it 😭😭😭

[blazing moth]

was abt to talk abt if u sent another different paste actually 💔

it's hard to keep up

[amber ice]

im so sorry gang

OKAY

LAST EDIT

and then ill let you dissect properly folk

my bad 😭😭😭

putting the ndou rate team on overtime

https://pokepast.es/51398eb81a7fc947

decided to go full spdef on glisc and full def on pex

[blazing moth]

actually if u keep Scizor you dont need recover on ghold/ghold in general

they kinda check the same stuff

sxcept sciz helps u w kyurem and ghold doesn't as much

[amber ice]

hows the team lookin overall?

oh yeah

i feel like i should have knock somewhere

should i go knock > scald on pex?

[blazing moth]

good, u js could find another speed control other than ghold somewhere, idk what tho

[amber ice]

hmmm

[blazing moth]

oh yeah u right knock > u turn on sciz

[amber ice]

swag

[blazing moth]

keep scald tho

[amber ice]

bet

is there anything i should be scared of atm

with knock on sciz

i know i need speed control somewhere else but i might not be able to fit that

[blazing moth]

ion think so

[blazing moth]

you got a whole free slot w that ghold u dont need

and that ghold alr was the speed control

[amber ice]

ouhhhh

what would you pick

i always like np and recover

but is focus blast any worth on it?

https://pokepast.es/e76fee3bfd2fb575

[blazing moth]

what no if ur using ghold which i dont think u need it HAS to be a scarf

i js think there's a better scarfer out there for your team

[amber ice]

OHHHHH

gotcha

how do you feel about scarf hamu?

[blazing moth]

actually lele looks good on that

[amber ice]

oh

coolio

[blazing moth]

wait no u have Scizor

[amber ice]

i thought itd weird to have lele on a team with prio?

[blazing moth]

yeah mb

[amber ice]

yeah i was about to say 😭

telepathy lele lmfao

[blazing moth]

but u need sm to hit pex

[amber ice]

what about hoopa?

waiyt nvm

scarf tusk.....?

[blazing moth]

never

[amber ice]

i lowkey want to keep ghold for spin blocking

[blazing moth]

u could like

sack scizor, get a bulky np ghold and get a scarfer that soft checks kyurem

[amber ice]

hmmmm

i could go lele if i sack sciz

[blazing moth]

ig u could also get back w scarf ghold who can trick scarf onto pex but that loses ur speed control and doesn't rly make u suddenly hit pex hit hard, esp bc ur Scizor's best move into pex is knock off

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/7d127813cfce8c62

[blazing moth]

or you could js

not use stealth rock kommo-o

taunt deals w pex who could otherwise 1v1

[amber ice]

thats true

but no rocks is rough

[blazing moth]

gliscor

[amber ice]

hmmmm

https://pokepast.es/301cff013e02de53

https://pokepast.es/ade9b474c458aaf7

which one is better...?

[blazing moth]

first one

u could try scarf kart instead of scarf ghold to hit thru clod + dozo cores

[serene sluice]

https://pokepast.es/793da9be3571ad44 dont really know how this is gonna feel to play, but im still concerned about being kinda slow

[amber ice]

thats true

[blazing moth]

ghold can trick against those mons which is cool but kart is a more solid speed control and can break right through those two

[amber ice]

hmmm

okay bet

oh yeah man just to say

thanks for reviewing my teams

youve been around the rmt lately and its cool to have you super active

thank you man

[blazing moth]

❤️

[blazing moth]

@hollow fern or smb else can u take care of this one

[hollow fern]

Im not a rater lol

Like not an official one

[blazing moth]

so aren't i but i do it bc it's fun

and i see u sometimes do it too so

I'm lazy to do that one 💔

[hollow fern]

Lol fair

[serene sluice]

Is someone gonna do it or should i just wait

[hollow fern]

Im not really sure how to alter the team but the one suggestion i have is defog>heat wave on zap since you got z dnite and fog scarf lando isnt very reliable

Thats my two cents

As a rando

[serene sluice]

https://pokepast.es/793da9be3571ad44 repost

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

would consider roost dnite since pon is a bit of a shaky mu, seems fine otherwise

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/96fa8ad420540183 don’t know what else to add to this team

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cursive bison]

https://pokepast.es/1605a8e9c10e24d6

ok so, i tried this team before, but it feels like at high ladder it lacks the power to break stuff like ferro, mola, clodsire, ttar, opposing zapdos, etc

what can i improve?

[blazing moth]

urshifu/kyurem check

kyurem matchup looks particularly bad

idt your own kyurem is enough of a check

[blazing moth]

ngl ur very gliscor weak

bro toxics everything, the two mons that can one shot it are chipped his spikes, and ghold js dies to like a couple eq's

[cursive bison]

True..., any way i can remedy this?

[blazing moth]

without changing much u can do ghold -> ghost z with 92 speed evs

maybe u could also make ur chomp an sd set or sm

[cursive bison]

Right

[sharp pagoda]

I’m in the middle of trying to make a team for Golisopod in OU I wanted to add corviknight to cover Golisopod’s rock and flying weakness but the more I think the more I just add random stuff and make it worse😭

I think I have too much bulk without it being stall so I’m just taking a lot of hits and that ends up making my pivot mon beedrill the “sweeper” and that’s risky because he’s super frail

[blazing moth]

try to cover a certain mon's weakness to another specific Pokemon in the tier that threats it, not the type in general

if u notice a rly hugeeeeee weakness to one type solve it as an afterthought when u all the roles and early phases of cores solved up

[blazing moth]

imo ofc, this is how i like to approach approach my teambuilding.
try to find a way to deal w most mons in the tier and then u worry abt that stuff more later since it'll be easier to find mons that fill the same role but cover ur weakness

[blazing moth]

you aren't think much about roles in your teambuilding, you dont even have a rocker

define the roles u need -> finding a mon that can check/defeat what u need to while filling said role

[sharp pagoda]

Well put I didn’t really think about that

[sharp pagoda]

Yeah I should definitely look at that too for OU, I’ll look at stuff and see what I can do with him for the tier

[blazing moth]

see what it can kill and it cant and do ur offensive core around that and so on w the defensive core

side note but golisopod is best at setting spikes and revenge killing vs offensive teams

not sweeping

ik a dude w a cool golisopod team in ps, think his name is bug#005 and he talks a lot in the natdex chatroom, u can ask him for golisopod tips too

[sharp pagoda]

Yeah I was thinking about this, is there a place you know where you can look at teams by looking up certain Pokémon for them? I wanted to know what people would commonly run with Golisopod in NatDex just to see what has been tried and doesn’t work versus what has been used and was good

[sharp pagoda]

Bet I’ll have to ask him, Golisopod is one of my favorite bug types aside from scolipede

[blazing moth]

smogon dex analysises normally give you teammate ideas to certain pokemon but i dont think golisopod has one because you know... not really... great

you js have to go thru the tier's mons and see what it struggles to kill/what it kills or sets spikes on

[sharp pagoda]

Yeah I figured😭

[blazing moth]

there's a good cores thread in Smogon's natdex forums too but that's better for you defensive stuff

i also dont think it's up to date because nd leaders are lazy 🔥🔥

really tho a lot of stuff isn't up to date but i think after ndpl it'll get updated

[sharp pagoda]

Yeah the only golisopod stuff I found were like glaze comments on mega golisopod potential

[sharp pagoda]

I’m assuming rocker is just stealth rock setter?

[blazing moth]

yessir

[blazing moth]

maybe u can look in the metagame discussion thread? (good luck 💔)

[sharp pagoda]

Is that a channel in this server or in the actual smogon/showdown threads

[blazing moth]

smogon threads

[sharp pagoda]

Good lord

[blazing moth]

i mean u can js go to the natdex discord and ask for tips too

[sharp pagoda]

True

[blazing moth]

idk if bug is there

prob is

[blazing moth]

forget it

he's active on ps tho so

[sharp pagoda]

Fair enough yeah

I like it when people actually help with like questions on teams

Instead of chalking it up to oh well you’re using a Pokémon that isn’t meta so you’re shit

Because the whole point is that I like pinning pokemon I like against Pokémon I hate fighting

[blazing moth]

i mean golisopod lowk shit but if u wanna use do it, also raters are encouraged to not suggest much replacements

at least in the forums

i js kinda carry part of it here

like if i see a bunch of bad mons imma say lots of replacements or when u have a meta mon in a team but another meta mon does the job better for ur team you know

but if ur using one singular midmon who cares

[sharp pagoda]

I mean yeah like if I’m using a full RU team in OU why not just

Go to RU

As long as I can use the one Pokémon I care about unless it’s a ZU mon without having to rely on every meta Pokémon ever

[karmic trail]

https://pokepast.es/6e7d2f18aefb43aa

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[karmic trail]

Trying my hand at ND OU

this is supposed to be a lopunny balance team

[serene hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/2ff6062075409c64

@limber crypt u think u can help me fix this up a lil bit

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/d29b2f1bb90dbb1a good for a starter?

[quiet yarrow]

Fire types piss me the fuck off

😭

[blazing moth]

pinging me like i got Charizard in my name or sm 💔

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/3e82d97f2210068e

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/eff7cda749fd4779

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

clod isn't doing anything there but make u weaker to lele ngl

maybe try slowking over bro or replace clod w another lele soft check

ghold gets 3hko'd from psychic and has no recovery

lele js leaves once vs ghold then gets back in and wins the game pretty much

[blazing moth]

looks cool yeah, worst thing i can see here is zap and yard matchups

both can beat 5 out uf ur 6 mons, zap cant beat lele and yard can't beat moltres

[blazing moth]

I'll look at urs later i have class rn

[nocturne summit]

but Ig at least there is some sort of counter, it's better then nothing

[blazing moth]

actually it's not even an counter w yard because all you can do with molt is pivot to a sack

urshifu cant kill it and everything else gets outsped

your gameplan vs yard is praying the opp the doesn't lead with yard and set rocks asap
if he does lead yard, pray you dont high rolled then pray lando's toxic doesn't miss then go molt

give molt something to hit yard imo, toxic/flamethrower

[blazing moth]

or js have raging bolt in ur team

helps u check pon too which is good bc u lose to it too

[blazing moth]

lokix -> tinted lens, maybe a band too bc holy shit it apparently doesn't hit hard at ALL 💔
hoopa-u not doing anything useful for you, js making u weaker to fairies and knock off
and ts is super dying to an hstack bc glisc can stay in vs most of ur team

[blazing moth]

this is looking much better but idk abt the volc and yard matchups they look rough

[amber ice]

true

hmmmm

what about defog molt > treads and make glisc rocks

[nocturne summit]

I still don't understand what you mean with this? with rocks urshifu outspeeds and kills it, it can be heavily shot down with rocks if they don' they don't have good removal (I checked with the damage calcalator) although I think the team just needs a dedicated special wall since molt is usually defensive

[sharp pagoda]

@blazing moth so 1 I appreciate the advice the other day I’ve been tweaking stuff and as of rn this is the current team with Golisopod I’m using rn

Zeraora and Harcanine have been great for checking Golisopod’s weaknesses like Moltres or Zeraora just dealing with bulky water types and flying types. Zeraora also has CC same with Harcanine and Mega Lopunny to check Rock types

The last 2 Pokémon (Corv and Lopunny) I was struggling to figure out what I wanted the last 2 Pokémon to do and none of the stealth rock options I tried were really working (and it would be great to fit stealth rocks well into the team so I could threaten flying types more)

I think this has been working better than the last team I had showed you and I was wondering what opinions you had from it

[blazing moth]

fine by me, u could also go molt>gliscor and chomp>treads

[blazing moth]

but if u do that atp it'll be bo not balance @amber ice

[blazing moth]

"with rocks" exactly.
when rocks are NOT up (early game/lead), it basically always guarantees a kill, more than one if u get unlucky rng
it's beyond a bad matchup

all ur molt does with that moveset is pivot into an urshifu sack

[blazing moth]

imo hdb>av on golisopod
protect>healing wish on mola
frustration/return>play rough on lopunny

[nocturne summit]

maybe switching molt with tapu fini?

[blazing moth]

also ur particularly electric weak, which is bad because your electric immunity in zeraora can't hit raging bolt for shit

[blazing moth]

js make molt toxic or something so u can actually js stand in front of yard and like, not js stay there or pivot to a sack

fini is a terrible yard check all and all, prob gets 2hko'd by solar beam

and you have 2 water types already

u alr have u turn on molt so u js pivot out vs Heatran or ttar

[nocturne summit]

oh yeahh I completely forget that in natdex some mons have far more moves

[blazing moth]

difference is when u pivot out vs those two it isn't a pivot a sack

[sharp pagoda]

Yeah I figured, should I try replacing corviknight/harc with a ground type or?

[sharp pagoda]

what is hdb again?

[blazing moth]

arc seems good

[celest merlin]

Heavy-Duty Boots (Gen 9)

When switching in, the holder is unaffected by hazards on its side of the field.

Fling

80 BP

[blazing moth]

tbh yard always used this

[amber ice]

check this

https://pokepast.es/e2097b95049b8fbd

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sharp pagoda]

Ohhh

That’s probably good because of stuff like stealth rocks and toxic spikes although I try to have 1-2 mons that can deal with that

[sharp pagoda]

Yeah so what about Corviknight then?

Rn I kinda just have corviknight as my defogger but

[blazing moth]

whole team dies to lele ngl, you have to predict twice w the ttar coming in on potencial moonblast and wheter or not it stays in, survives pursuit easily and gets the like 3hko or switches out js to come back in sooner or later

i liked the melm

ngl

if u keep ttar at least give it rocks and gliscor spikes/swords dance

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/8e11e00c6042be49

okay 💔💔💔

i succumb to bo

[blazing moth]

idk it seems fine to me ig 🤷‍♂️

matches good into the grounds that threatened your zeraora and former Arcanine

[sharp pagoda]

Yeah I want to keep harc the only downside to the team atleast that I see is that I won’t really be taking advantage of hazards because I’m going to end up defogging regardless with corv

[blazing moth]

good to have both, boots spam kinda ass rn

it's an sv ou thing

[sharp pagoda]

Like referring to me having 2 boots users or just referring to other people spamming the item in SVOU

H-Arc hits like a truck too and a lot of his weaknesses Golisopod covers

Like fighting water ground and Arc has CC too for rock types

[blazing moth]

dw you're gonna take advantage of hazards, ofc not as much as if u had a spinner like in hazard stack teams but u are gonna enjoy them either way

[blazing moth]

2 boots is not bootspam
bootspam is 5/6 mons with boots as their item, that strat is bad in natdex but good in sv ou

[sharp pagoda]

So should I look at spikes for Corv then

And if so what move would be best to replace

[blazing moth]

wait i misread

[sharp pagoda]

😭😭

[blazing moth]

pretend I didn't say that fr

[sharp pagoda]

Gotcha

I hate alolamola stall so I try to use her more like a cleric instead of just healing myself and spamming toxic on everything

Although toxic is needed to deal with bulky pokemon

[blazing moth]

anyways ground that hit like a truck aren't unheard of too

[sharp pagoda]

Or just put a timer on a Pokémon I can’t one shot

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/a01ee00978f890df brainstormed this hot piece of trash

[sharp pagoda]

So if I’m able to I should find another choice band mon that is a ground type to better cover for zeraora

Because the whole idea w h-arc was just 1-2HKO anything without any setup

[blazing moth]

also didn't notice at the time but grounds are kinda mandatory on every team ever COUGH

[sharp pagoda]

Is there a specific reason why

[blazing moth]

they're genuinely that good

like

not js the mons

[sharp pagoda]

oh word😭

[blazing moth]

the type itself

is amazing

[sharp pagoda]

Wonder if any ground Pokémon have rock head

Ok the only ones that do are slow as hell😭

[blazing moth]

no but there's a couple grounds w wtone edge/rock slide

lando and ting lu mainly ig

[sharp pagoda]

Yeah I was thinking about lando choice band or something

[blazing moth]

lando could be particularly good in ur team

[sharp pagoda]

Anything that’s as fast or a little faster than arcanine because he was able to speed tie or outspeed moltres

[blazing moth]

or garchomp

both hit hard w their respective z moves

[sharp pagoda]

True

Let me see what looks good rn

[blazing moth]

looks good btw worst mu i see is kyurem but if ur careful with the melmetal you're good

[sharp pagoda]

Actually

[sharp pagoda]

I made these in 2 seconds but if I did CB Ground it would probably be Landorous

Actually

Im not sure

[blazing moth]

pls use pokespaste btw

[sharp pagoda]

Oh word Alr

[blazing moth]

and those mons aren't great w choice band if u wanna run offensive sets use sm like a z move

[sharp pagoda]

Gotcha

[blazing moth]

actually hear me out @sharp pagoda, keep Arcanine, it kinda destroys fat/stall on its own but lando chomp cant rly do that, not w stall at least

maybe replace lopunny instead for your ground type

[sharp pagoda]

Bet

[sharp pagoda]

I was thinking of a mega ground type but they’re all a little

Iffy

Not 100% sure how well they would translate to my team

Because it’s Swampert Garchomp and Steelix

[blazing moth]

yeah no 😭 you could do a mixed mega chomp but like regular is js so much better

[blazing moth]

garchomp the only usable one at most

steelix is trash swampert Is rain exclusive

chomp/lando/great tusk/gliscor your best choices

i like chomp a lot particularly bc it outspeeds kyurem

[blazing moth]

speaking of which body press>brave bird on corv

[sharp pagoda]

Oh yeah valid

[sharp pagoda]

Yeah I was going to do mixed mega with stealth rock

And then body press on Corv is probably good especially for ice types

[blazing moth]

it's mainly for kyurem and ting lu

[young condor]

https://pokepast.es/9a77ee5467d9294c just made this team hyper offensive any changes via items or even move sets?

[blazing moth]

since u check both of em and 1v1ing imo the best rocker in the tier is great

[young condor]

@blazing moth any changes I can make?

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/f01e35bd6899d587

[blazing moth]

wait a bit rn I'm going home :(

gimme 10 and I'll write sm frfr

[sharp pagoda]

Valid and fair

[blazing moth]

i dont play natdex monotype my bad

[young condor]

its fine bro, i got my answers already LOLLL

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/9fc72910a18c8534

[serene sluice]

Tapu fini still gets boomed by solar beam

[rigid lotus]

https://pokepast.es/create

[stark canyon]

what do yall think about this set for orbeetle?

https://pokepast.es/015bf14b49145103

[celest merlin]

Hey @stark canyon, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8uu. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[serene sluice]

No paste

[rigid lotus]

https://pokepast.es/0a7eff1fe2c1ccc1

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rigid lotus]

There, help me fix that rq

[potent furnace]

ival feels a little redundant w/ scarf hamu

id make it like mlop

or some other fighting type

mdia is also valid here

[rigid lotus]

Whats mlops speed

[potent furnace]

also if you want specs kyurem you've gotta pair it with slowking-galar for chilly reception

[potent furnace]

good enough

[rigid lotus]

Fair

[potent furnace]

like 400+

id run boots subroost kyu

[rigid lotus]

Ik like the base

[rigid lotus]

Is kyu needed

Or should i js replace it

[potent furnace]

kyus fine you just want to tweak the set a little

[rigid lotus]

So heavy boots

Substitute and roost?

And what other 2 moves

And should i keep my timid nature

[serene sluice]

Earrh power freeze dry? I think

[rigid lotus]

Ah

Do i gotta add any bulk to kyu

[rigid lotus]

Lando taunt is actually supposed to be defog

[rigid lotus]

https://pokepast.es/82e3f64db64221e6

Anybody got a last pokemon to finish this team?

I originally had a kyurem in the team but kyurem didnt feel right during testing

[blazing moth]

56 hp evs if subroost yeah

[rigid lotus]

Do you have any suggestions on a kyu replacement

[blazing moth]

didn't see the team can u post it rq

[rigid lotus]

https://pokepast.es/82e3f64db64221e6

This is it now

[blazing moth]

a dragon type like dnite/raging bolt for ogerpon-wellspring/yard
also 224+ on lando rest to def

[rigid lotus]

Without kyu

[rigid lotus]

No speed?

Or you mean drop the speed

[blazing moth]

224+ on speed

[rigid lotus]

Ah

[blazing moth]

rest to def

[blazing moth]

oh ok it's the same

[rigid lotus]

You think raging bolt would be better? I alrdy got the flying type

[blazing moth]

yeah sure

I think u might need something for kyurem yourself ngl

like subroost gets a sub up rly easier vs ur whole team

[rigid lotus]

Yea i strugged against a sub ddance kyu during testing

[blazing moth]

u could go iron head > power whip on ferro

[rigid lotus]

I could

How much does a kyu do to ferro

[blazing moth]

enough to break sub most definitely, probably like 30-38

0 Atk Ferrothorn Iron Head vs. 56 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 180-212 (44.4 - 52.3%) -- 16% chance to 2HKO

way better

[rigid lotus]

What abt damage in return

[blazing moth]

no more than a third

200 SpA Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 176 SpD Ferrothorn: 84-100 (23.8 - 28.4%) -- possible 5HKO

[rigid lotus]

SHLAWG😭😭✌🏾

what abt dclaw from physical?

[blazing moth]

why does that matter

you resist it

[rigid lotus]

Oh yea i forgot

[blazing moth]

and no kyurem runs that

[rigid lotus]

I seen someone on showdown with that bullshit

[blazing moth]

+1 168 Atk Kyurem Icicle Spear (4 hits) vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Ferrothorn: 160-192 (45.4 - 54.5%) -- approx. 0.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery this the one that matters to u

anyways yeah ur fine w ihead

[rigid lotus]

So we drop kyu -> raging bolt, ihead > pwhip on ferro

[blazing moth]

✅

[rigid lotus]

Can you rate the team after those upgrades

[blazing moth]

seems good to go

[rigid lotus]

And what bolt set should i use

[blazing moth]

cm probably

[rigid lotus]

Alr

[rigid lotus]

Do you think gliscor would be better> lando

[blazing moth]

not rly imo

they kinda uh do the same thing

[rigid lotus]

Glisc stays alive longer tho

[blazing moth]

btw why does lando

have

sr and defog

[rigid lotus]

Because i have no other way to remofe hazards

[blazing moth]

lando a better defogger + less passive

are u tryna build bo or balance

[rigid lotus]

Bo

[blazing moth]

then lando better usually

[rigid lotus]

Lando feels like it dies to quickly rn

[blazing moth]

the problem isn't that it dies to quickly, although js giving it leftovers helps

moreso that ur lando is passive asl

[rigid lotus]

What should i do

[blazing moth]

dont give it rocks and defog

pick one and stick w it

[rigid lotus]

Defog

I need defog

I have rocks on thorn

[blazing moth]

imo I'm also not the biggest fan of ep lando, never was

[rigid lotus]

I lowkey forgot to change it, it was never supposed to be ep

I was confused as to why i had an sp move on a base 145 atk mon

[rigid lotus]

What moveset should i use with defog

[blazing moth]

the same js use tox/taunt instead of rocks

[rigid lotus]

And should i drop my item?

[blazing moth]

i mean

like u could use leftovers

[rigid lotus]

You mentioned leftovers earier

Yea

[blazing moth]

but the difference is not the biggest over the course of a long game

it's more abt what u do w the lando in that u have rather than trying to make it last forever

[rigid lotus]

Thats fair

[blazing moth]

both lefties and rocky are fine

[rigid lotus]

Alr ill try both

What spread for lando should i use

[blazing moth]

same as i said before

[rigid lotus]

Max hp 224 speed and rest def?

[blazing moth]

✅✅

[rigid lotus]

Is my lopunny moveset good or should i get better coverage

[blazing moth]

it's fine, u can try triple axel if u want tho

[rigid lotus]

Over what

[blazing moth]

U-turn

[rigid lotus]

ah

[blazing moth]

u can also use quick attack in that slot but that's a bit oudated and situational nowadays

[rigid lotus]

Does great tusk or iron treads fit this team better?

[hardy frigate]

Both aren't fitting

bcuz of rilla

Pls someone rate this

https://pokepast.es/fcd0c2a031e8167b
Webs HO

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

??

[hardy frigate]

grassy terrain decrease eq dmg

or jus run spa set

[blazing moth]

yeah eq

not headlong rush

or stomping tantrum

[serene sluice]

Dont give advice if you dk what you're talking about

[blazing moth]

anyways prob tusk since it u alr have a knocker and bc u alr have soft checks to raging bolt and zap

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/35e301c1a8cf4f8f

[rancid goblet]

this is cheeks sorry

if ur going to use ghostium Z use it with shadow ball

especially on gengar

if ur gonna use ghost z hex atleast use it with gholdengo

also give terapegos stealth rock and give gliscor spikes instead of stealth rock

or u can just make gliscor sd since ur team has no way of applying pressure

also make melmetal thunder wave over toxic

u have way too many toxic users

[blazing moth]

this might be kartana food ngl

like a well played scarf just destroys you whole team and any other set should be able to take an easy ko if brought in safely

which isn't the hardest of tasks when u have a gliscor, mola, superpower-less melmetal and flamethrower-less pagos

actually forget the kartana you die to Scizor even harder

(also gengar way too frail to set both a will o wisp and a nasty plot without just dying before that)

rly js pick one

like mentioned above u also lack a way of applying pressure even with your z move gengar bc it's super frail and not nearly fast enough

although I'm not the biggest fan of sr pagos it could be the way if you dont wanna replace any mons

and ive ur pagos flamethrower

[proper yarrow]

Get urself to become an official rater

[rancid goblet]

me neither but i recommended it to him because its the best option for his team

[blazing moth]

would be cool icl

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/93546790cc0d6a44

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

yeah tru he js passive and his wincon frail and slow

[rancid goblet]

this is just worse

[blazing moth]

i kinda liked the scarf shifu ngl

uh yea if u wanna do a ghost scarf js do ghold

it does like literally the same stuff but better

ur lacking role compression

and ur sets look weird af bc of it

[rancid goblet]

https://pokepast.es/5051d83b16becde6 here

[blazing moth]

are you willing to do replacements @amber ice

bc using ghold would js allow u to not run melm or gengar to begin with, like it's that good of a fit in ur team rn

u dont lose anything and free up a whole slot for a new member

[amber ice]

i appreciate it but i cant really replace gengar. it seems to me though that gengar in ndou is unsalvagable so i might have to choose another pokemon to build around

[amber ice]

yes except for gengar

but gengar seems buns so

it might not be worth building around it anymore

[amber ice]

correction*

[blazing moth]

it's js too slow, you have to go from square one if u wanna build it bc idt this is it

[amber ice]

yeap

[blazing moth]

maybe specs the best set ngl

[amber ice]

im struggling to find a good partner for gengar

i think urshifu seemed good

[amber ice]

thats true

it was either that or np z fight

[blazing moth]

choice scarf has nothing over ghold but specs has decent natural speed so that's sm
u need like 2 slow pivots for this tho

[amber ice]

fax

[blazing moth]

and ur speed control preferably cannot be choice locked so stuff like mlop

[amber ice]

i was browsing for sets for gengar and i saw a hex one in ru i thought i could make it work in ndou 😭

[amber ice]

ahh

[rancid goblet]

gengar works best on hyper offense or offense

with scarf trick

its ass on balance

its an ass mon overall

[amber ice]

im trynna make it work on a BO team

[rancid goblet]

especially in national dex

[amber ice]

it didnt have any analysis on ndou so i went to ru for some guides on how to build it

[blazing moth]

her point still stands

[amber ice]

yearp

[blazing moth]

i think u could do hex but not w np do it js raw like ghold

[amber ice]

its og set was dgleam hex willo sludge bomb

with boots

i was trynna look for some thunderwave users to take advantage of hex and help its speed tier

also 350 being too slow for a frail mon feels weird lmfao

[blazing moth]

speed creep is that real

110 base is like borderlining the standard nowadays

if ur that speed and cant take a hit at all it's an ass mon

unless u have mmedi levels of power and mmedi kinda ehh rn too

[amber ice]

fax

[blazing moth]

give it focus blast for gambit and bigger dmg on lu btw

[amber ice]

bet

how does corv + mola sound?

for geng

[blazing moth]

sounds cool av mola prob the way to go

[amber ice]

bet

how do you know if a mon needs wish support or not?

[blazing moth]

also give ur corv idef press for u dealing w sciz

[amber ice]

bet

[blazing moth]

needs to be slightly bulky w no recovery

ir super hazard weak

something like ting lu, melm, ghold, tread and bolt

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/67200dcb166103e5

oop

forgor to ev mlop

oh wait no removal

gimme a sec

[rancid goblet]

specs gengar is the worst thing u can come up with

its 2 slow for gen 9 ou

gengar back then was fast yes

but gen 9 national dex ou is too fast

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/f87ffc8f508f4e79

[rancid goblet]

this still lacks speed control

[blazing moth]

why'd u take lop out

[amber ice]

i thought tusk overlapped with lop

[blazing moth]

u dont need tusk

like u alr a clearer in corv js compress and give it fog

[amber ice]

how come?

oh

[rancid goblet]

tbolt > discharge in z koko

bp matters more than para

[amber ice]

idef press fog roost?

[blazing moth]

u'll be fine w u turn koko+mola+lop

u have plenty of pivoting alr esp w lop

u js need a rocker

[amber ice]

does heatran work?

wait nvm

i need a ground and a rocker in one slot

[blazing moth]

u could use a ting lu

but sure ig

u need speed control still

[amber ice]

what about scarf lando?

https://pokepast.es/f94e55e2d42c0e4b

[blazing moth]

on the same team as tusk?

[amber ice]

nope

[blazing moth]

scarf sr aint it

[amber ice]

damn......

[rancid goblet]

https://pokepast.es/2a61201460e1af26

[blazing moth]

you'd mich rather fog

is this supposed to be gengar team 😭

or is it sm u js made

[rancid goblet]

thats a team i had

[blazing moth]

i think wishfish mola could be a weird mu if played well but that's rly it that i see

uh and opposing scarf lando

also where's ur sr

[rancid goblet]

i dont need rocks

its all out offense

[blazing moth]

sciz also kinda does stuff, idk how much hmau doing to it regularly

[blazing moth]

imo that's what makes you kinda sensitive to scarf lando

bc ur check to it is ur own, and it gets chipped by rocks pretty quickly too

and the rest of the team js dies to it except for ival specifically with terrain up

[rancid goblet]

yes thats y i have ice punch on val

and triple axel on lop

[blazing moth]

ino rocks>fog on ur lando should prob work on ur team, you js have to play slightly more aggressive vs hstack but that's rly it

ur games aint gonna be long enough as to where ur gonna have a lot of hazards set on u

but setting ur own p much always helps u no matter what

[rancid goblet]

defog benefits more

having hazards on my side with no way to desl with them is worse than having my own stealth rocks

especially since i have no boots pokemon

[blazing moth]

i mean if u say so i haven't tested that team so take it w a grain of salt

[crisp rain]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1376990

[rancid goblet]

plz send a pokepast instrad

[crisp rain]

what is that

also do u mean instead

[rancid goblet]

yes

[rancid goblet]

go to the team and scroll down

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es

your team, movesets bla bla bla everything here

[crisp rain]

https://pokepast.es/e3f6332777fee7ba

[hollow fern]

This team is all over the place with unviable sets/pokemon

You should prob look at sample teams and sample sets to know what the pokemon do

[rigid lotus]

https://pokepast.es/e65a2ff980d73708

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/c8df9599d493bef9 I'm pretty sure there is something needed here

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/4944b5c8b026ecb3

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/8132153aa073c145

[limber crypt]

dont really like corv here, nor do i like bolt as the sole pon check, i think ferro > corv and tornt > bolt is the way to go here

[limber crypt]

put spikes on ferro, hdb roost on koko, drop bolt for smth double electric is not the way, but im not sure what id replace it with

[limber crypt]

not the strongest with sun teams but double ground feels kinda odd here, the rain team is also kinda weird id suggest just using the standard aix on rain

[serene hemlock]

Can u give me ur opinion on this https://pokepast.es/2ff6062075409c64

[limber crypt]

koko > zera, subroost kyu, wish mola, defog torn, taunt > defog on lando

[serene sluice]

Zera kinda sucks unfortunately

[serene hemlock]

I noticed 😭

[serene hemlock]

Thank you thank you

[serene sluice]

Zera is probably top 5 industry plants in pokemon

Like S&L said koko is better

[serene hemlock]

Is there any other Pokemon we would switch here or wsp

[serene sluice]

Id follow the advice S&L gave and then come back if you still feel like the team needs improvement

[serene hemlock]

Alrighty

[rigid lotus]

https://pokepast.es/0d4dc32902de6c7f

@limber crypt

Can you help me out with a final Pokemon

I was thinking AV Alo with m coat to deal with char Y

[blazing moth]

he's p aight in uu that's not fraud material

he js not cut for the big boy leagues

[serene sluice]

He was clinging onto OU status for dear fucking life in gen 8 LMFAOO

[blazing moth]

he was p good there afaik

[blazing moth]

you have a whole latios there

and a glowking

ur more than fine into yard

[rigid lotus]

2shot into wball

[blazing moth]

what u need is rocks

[rigid lotus]

Tbf m lat does exist you pointed out

[blazing moth]

can still come in on everything else+change weather+you have a latios(again)

[rigid lotus]

Yea true, i threw tapu koko onto the team for a fairy pivot

[blazing moth]

actually where's your defog too

you js have spikes and that's it

no sr and no fog/spin

[rigid lotus]

Corvv

For some reason the set is wrong

[rigid lotus]

Should i run spikes or stealth rock? A friend told me spikes

[blazing moth]

if you're running spikes you're running stealth rock too by default

[rigid lotus]

Wdym

I have to run both?

[blazing moth]

yes

mandatory rocks -> thinking abt spikes

[rigid lotus]

So what gliscor moveset do i run

[blazing moth]

unless ur team is sm really short term no longevity ass offense with a hamurott but urs isnt

[blazing moth]

u have a free slot

u can run the rocks mon on that slot

and keep the spikes on glisc

[rigid lotus]

I three koko onto slop

Slot

I needed a fairy type

Unless theres something that fits better

[blazing moth]

for what exactly

?

[rigid lotus]

Steel dragon Fairy synergy

I needed something offensive

Koko adds fairy + fast pivot

Is there a better option ive been looking for a while

[blazing moth]

you don't need to go out of your way to do these at least not while you don't the must haves checked

u should focus on js getting a sr pokemon rn, ion like sr gliscor a lot but u can test it and if it works then it's good to go i guess

[rigid lotus]

Who would be a proper stealth rocker to fit into this team?

Im tempted to try rocks Glisc and just keep koku if we cant find a proper rocks setter to fit

[amber ice]

whats the standard six for rain?

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/7b7223d953de9e8d

update

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

u could try like i said but it's not great, ting lu>glisc imo

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/7ea3cd38845651e4
https://pokepast.es/ceb21a2bc6e354de
https://pokepast.es/d950205aeeca1354 teams i did since i started playing again

would appreciate help w the first two
first is still underdeveloped
second has given fairly positive results but it's still in the early phases

[serene sluice]

You have chilly reception

https://pokepast.es/fcf68b86eec0e3f1 team feels generally fine but could i replace dnite here for something else that uses a z move? Being rocks eeak really feels like it kills it to me idk

[rancid goblet]

is this monoflying

why does bro have 3 flying types

[serene sluice]

I kinda wanna use torn > zapdos and then something else

[serene sluice]

All 3 of them fill 3 seperate roles and do them fairly well so

Also not worried about ice weakness when i have fini

[rancid goblet]

tusk demolishes than team ngl

[blazing moth]

https://tenor.com/view/kyurem-pokemon-gif-25680880

this guy

[rancid goblet]

fini loses a shit ton of hp to headlong

[serene sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[rancid goblet]

ice spinner kos 2 out of 3 flying types

zapdos gets severely chipped

[blazing moth]

once Scizor gets a bit of chip he dead asl

of specs hp fire can js do it himself

[rancid goblet]

if ur team struggles against great tusk its time to scrap it

and restart

[blazing moth]

help

[serene sluice]

Besides kyurem what other changes do you think i could make

[blazing moth]

yeah ur team has a lot of type overlap

[serene sluice]

Thats fair

I really like scarf lando and fini here

Scizor puts in work too

[blazing moth]

lemme look at it again gimme a min

[rancid goblet]

ur team is basically a gen 7 ou team

[blazing moth]

i js looked at it and saw hm kyu eats

[rancid goblet]

every paradox mons destroys it

[serene sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1393718069091766433.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=dorobald

Thats

[blazing moth]

kinda

[serene sluice]

I dont like you for saying that

[rancid goblet]

im saying the truth

[blazing moth]

she has a point ngl

[serene sluice]

And i wanna stay ignorant

[blazing moth]

it looks

outdated in a way

anyways I'll look again and see what ur weak against

[serene sluice]

1. Ironic considering i didnt start playing till late gen-8
2. Prbably cause i was mainly trying to build around fini

[blazing moth]

tusk and yard weak w rocks up

[serene sluice]

Doesnt heatran deal with yard

[blazing moth]

scorching sand 2hkos

iirc

[serene sluice]

Oh

[rancid goblet]

use fini-lucha with mega scizor

great tusk over lando is better

u can run scarf tusk too its fine

[blazing moth]

js go koko or rilla atp

[serene sluice]

Why

[rancid goblet]

fini lucha makes u able to attack molt and zap in misty terrain

so its superior

lele is the 2nd best

koko is just the word

[blazing moth]

how

[rancid goblet]

worst

[blazing moth]

u flying type

[rancid goblet]

am psure u dont have to be grounded to be immune to status

[serene sluice]

I guess cause you cant get hit by their abilities

[rancid goblet]

let me check

[blazing moth]

u do