NatDex OU Rates

[nocturne willow]

listen tot he advice given

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[nocturne willow]

use some of the sample teams listed in the link above

[unreal smelt]

ok

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/650fb64399655e52

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Loses to scale shot garchomp

[hardy frigate]

Yea I lost now

https://pokepast.es/05a44e94413ac685

Now ts

[hollow fern]

The team is really slow

Very much needs speed control

[hardy frigate]

Thunder wave to clefable?

[hollow fern]

Also no need for two pokemon with stealth rocks

[hollow fern]

This needs a fast pokemon fs

And dd ttar isn't very good

You could just go 4a here

[hardy frigate]

Then I need to make team from first again

[hollow fern]

Fair

What were you trying to build around?

[hardy frigate]

gliscor alo

[hollow fern]

Ah alr

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/8f8d93ae2da3aca8

I changed my all mind and changed to sun team

[hardy frigate]

Wait scarf dengo?

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/673e6629b70b8ba8
av ttar alo

[unreal smelt]

https://pokepast.es/bddac6759f0b6bba

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

Just remove the choice scarf guys and you’re good

This looks like a good mdia HO team

you can make urshifu pads swords dance and just replace lando with a different guy

[proper yarrow]

Make lando a regular set and make shifu a woger >>

Or ig terap>tusk

Hm

Offence without volcarona just feels sad

[unreal smelt]

Who do I replace Landorus for ?

I have no one in mind

Imo I js did some searching by myself I would say Nidoking or Clodisre u cool with that ?

[proper yarrow]

no 😭

[unreal smelt]

What about I replace Urshifu with Elektross and Landorus with Heatran ._.

[proper yarrow]

elektross 😭

why did ur mind even go there 😭

[unreal smelt]

idk 🤷

I was thinking about children and I thought of Elektross

I mean look at him 😨

https://pokepast.es/4ef6bf1703eba28c

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unreal smelt]

I tried to improve it but I’m pretty sure I made it worst

[stoic estuary]

https://pokepast.es/1be621e41030f181

PLEASE RATE MY TEAM

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e51ca74b93dd4806
Yeahhhhhhhh
no mega

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/cc76ecb85e19cb63
Hydengo remake attempt 3
(gholdengo gone)

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

And thinking which is better

specs hydreigon for wall breaker

Scarf hydreigon for fast attacker

[grand onyx]

https://pokepast.es/ec60328732de5759

pls help im a noob at making teams

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/eb60e7888857d42d

@limber crypt

[limber crypt]

sub endeavor spikes moonblast dia, drop ursh for serp i think since you have all the boots and defog mons pressured enough

[limber crypt]

was this built for sv bc this is an old ass ss team

right down to the cm glowking

[grand onyx]

idk my friend just gave me the code thing to use in showdown, im too afraid to change anything cuz it might ruin it

[limber crypt]

your friend knows ball methinks, i wouldnt chqnge this team but i wouldnt use it in sv, even in ss it may not get the results you want

if you’re new in general, id recommend taking a look at the samples

[grand onyx]

can you lead me there? like wheree, im srry im so lost TT

[limber crypt]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

[feral drum]

https://pokepast.es/07dc7bf5c20a17ee

Been a while since I played ND. Been a while since I played any tier with Melmetal in it, but I'm still as obsessed with this mon as ever.

I've been swapping out between MTtar, and MTios in the first slot to experiment with better Pagos, and better Wogerpon MUs, but I think I'm overall preferring Latios.

[empty solar]

gravity looked kinda funny so i thought it would be cool to make a team utilizing it, i wanna know if its good or not
https://pokepast.es/862b07724cabb781

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

well for one gravity is not good

[potent furnace]

i dont think this is the team for fire z tran, leftovers seem like it'd be a lot better

[empty solar]

yeah i know

[potent furnace]

besides that team is fine bolt is kind of spooky

[empty solar]

lol

[empty solar]

but like

how would one make it work

[nocturne willow]

iirc gravity lando-incarnate is usable in nd mono?

[potent furnace]

hi is this nd mono

[nocturne willow]

yes :)

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/b8a4278381347e36

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty solar]

https://pokepast.es/95d2ddc115d83bca
i think i made it work??? idk, its gravity so its still gonna suck lol

debating on switching terapagos to tapu lele

[hollow fern]

If ur building gravity wouldn't ur team like a ground resist?

Since if gravity goes up opposing eqs are unresisted

[empty solar]

oh yeah true

[empty solar]

https://pokepast.es/be08263d767fa88e

[hollow fern]

Yard mu looks rough, Speed control seems a lil iffy

[empty solar]

yeah i tried it out and it really does

might try to use iron val?

and ill switch to a more defensive landorus

[hollow fern]

Why hp grass on heatran btw?

[empty solar]

doesnt it get rid of water types

also wait what does mu mean

[hollow fern]

Matchup

[hollow fern]

Naw toxic can cripple alo, magma+ep can 1v1 pex on switchin, and z grass solar beam is the main mola lure

Hp grass just seems rather weak

[empty solar]

oh alright

good to know

[proper yarrow]

v

https://pokepast.es/5b4864b24cdca33b

[celest merlin]

Hey @proper yarrow, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[proper yarrow]

hm?

[buoyant mountain]

Yeah, please be patient, the tier isn't as popular nowadays compared to the current gen

[tall shale]

https://pokepast.es/e63974459ba7e50e is this good

[celest merlin]

Hey @cobalt skiff, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[celest coral]

https://pokepast.es/24d4f1a3a9322ee2 Can someone evaluate my team?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

isnt that just a sample team but with kart>shifu?

same item on kart and shifu too

[celest coral]

yes

I'm coming back to play this week

[hollow fern]

whyd u change it to kart?

[celest coral]

I like the timid kartana to snort speed in the beast boost to kill several pokemons

[blissful ingot]

https://pokepast.es/8cac293537b1501f bulky offensive team

ive gotten to 1.35k elo with this team but idk

[tall shale]

https://pokepast.es/646a71dcf6c750ef did I cook

[empty solar]

https://pokepast.es/3f9733fefbf825ab i think i actually made a decent gravity team???

[hollow fern]

No ground immune and struggles with yard a decent bit

[hollow fern]

Ogerpon clicks quite a lot on this

No switchin

[tall shale]

do you have any suggestions for what I should change

[hollow fern]

I'd replace one of your fighting types-ival+tusk+shifu is a lot of overlap

[vague hemlock]

Unfortunately sand isn’t that great atm while you “could” do it these sets should be more standard not a fan of Lando, fini, for example and Ttar should be mega tar and still set is outdated it kinda wants Rock coverage these days (it drops spin)

[empty solar]

oh, okay

what should i do then?

[vague hemlock]

What was the idea behind this so I can get a better idea of your thought process

[vague hemlock]

Start from mega ttar and drill. A bulky water and bulky steel. Some form of speed control out of sand etc

[empty solar]

alright

[vague hemlock]

Ttar drill steel bird is a decent start along side something like Slowbro etc

I’m here if you need me

[empty solar]

...steel bird?

corviknight?

[vague hemlock]

Biggest issue I have with this is the no zama check and rotom is kinda eh

[vague hemlock]

Yuh

[empty solar]

i dont think corviknight would be good on a gravity team

[vague hemlock]

Gravity is kinda a gimmick tho

[empty solar]

yeah

i still want to try using it

[tall shale]

I wanted to build a team around CB victini,I added urshifu for speed control,alo to bring him safely ,great tusk for hazards,and valiant to stop sweepers (?)

[vague hemlock]

Cb Victini is extremely unorthodox on teams that aren’t sun and even on sun scarf is preferred

Cinderace fulfills the volt turn fire type thing much more efficiently on teams like this

[empty solar]

should i make heatran bulkier or swap it for ferrothorn

[tall shale]

so victini only fits on sun ? (I really want to click cb v-create)

[vague hemlock]

Ferro would be better yes

[vague hemlock]

P much ye

[tall shale]

ok 👍

[empty solar]

https://pokepast.es/a810724d21e4fff6

[vague hemlock]

Still not a fan of the gravity gimmick but this a big improvement

[empty solar]

https://pokepast.es/0fdfd03723ab623e

i think i finalized it, only really need one gravity setter and slowbro is just better than tapu fini in every way lol

provides speed control, can pivot, and can switch into powerful attacks

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/1c025588afb91743

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

helppp

[potent furnace]

sedge pinsir is bad

you want eq

MAYBE superpower

cc

whateve

ival isnt doing much here

also make pagos flamethrower over earth power

[proper yarrow]

i need ep on pagos to hit heatran for this team

[proper yarrow]

ghold bait+fast guy

and gambit insurance

[proper yarrow]

hits zapdos and koko in one slot is why im using it

[potent furnace]

you need flamethrower to hit mega scizor

and corv

and ferrothorn

[potent furnace]

you cant hit ghold

which is a problem

[blissful ingot]

what would u reccomend i swap rotom for

[blissful ingot]

whats a good check

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/602410fe8577dba1

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

A ghost could work well like Gholdengo

However you still also lack hazard removal for kyu

Probably defog Corv would be nice

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/ed2263b93eaf3f31

[vague hemlock]

Your team unfortunately has no identity. I don’t know if it wants to be balance or bulky offense. Sash Koko is weird as is the move set. Secondly scarf hydrei is also unorthodox. Then you have Alomomola and clef which are more balanced oriented.

I kinda suggest samples honestly speaking

[hardy frigate]

Wait these set were for tournament (no same item at 66 rule what the hell)
Clefable/Koko both will be Hdb

[vague hemlock]

Oh update the team then I suppose

[hardy frigate]

Yeah I have no idea to scarf hyd

Just for spamming meteor

https://pokepast.es/a1aed15e2030c7fb

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

Defog can be roost

I think

[unreal smelt]

why do u have so many teams 😭😭

[unreal smelt]

if ur using tapu koko why not use Iron Jugs or Raging Bolt?

[hardy frigate]

I didn't understand how to use them

[unreal smelt]

….

[hardy frigate]

like wall breaker or smth

[unreal smelt]

electric terrain teams are hyper offence dude

hyper offence usually only have fast sweepers as their main offensive ability and raging bolt is great for that because of its speed and priority moves

Plus ur using Tapu Koko so even better

[hardy frigate]

I see

[unreal smelt]

Imo I like having 2 Pokémon that are buffed from the terrain for example, If I was using Pelipper for rain, I would use Mega Swampert to active swift swim and Iron Jugulis cause Thunder is boosted in the terrain

the other 3 usually are meant to support the 2 Pokémon when I team build

[hardy frigate]

hmm I got it

I'll make ho team

with Koko

[unreal smelt]

ok

[hardy frigate]

ho must have little type coverage each other?

[unreal smelt]

no ur team has to make sure it can cover all the typings comfortably

but since ur using HO try focusing a bit more on offensive coverage since ur team should be full of Lightning McQueens

Also there are two types of how teams cover coverage

number one is where the whole team has similar weaknesses and the core covers that weakness or number 2 the whole team has diffeeent weaknesses which is a pain in the ass

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/7cd1888e02d52460 anyone has thoughts on this?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

Just because tapu kokos on a team doesn't mean it has to go full eterrain

[cobalt skiff]

Oh yeah, it evolved into this, just thinking of Lando set rn

[hollow fern]

Don't go terrain extender on koko

[exotic sky]

z wild charge goes crazy

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/7e05ecc7659213e0

[celest merlin]

Hey @proper yarrow, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[unreal smelt]

Ik but I still prefer using it as a terrain Pokémon

[serene hemlock]

It’s tech

electrium Z wild charge to nuke Zapdos, moltres, corviknight and bulky waters like alomomola and toxapex that would usually come in on zam

But uh

(Mega Diancie + Specs Kyurem)
https://pokepast.es/b0f015022757baad

(M Scizor + Kyurem)
https://pokepast.es/d50ba8930b42e885

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[serene hemlock]

Can anyone rate these and lmk they think

@limber crypt

[candid stump]

https://pokepast.es/f3038eabb50a098a i kinda need help

I've never made a sand team before

anything I could switch out or change?

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/25c863810a738dc1

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

prob just do offensive np ghold instead of scarf since booster val is enough speed control, lmk if this struggles with anythingnin particular though

[limber crypt]

pure sand isnt really the play, most of the time its ttar + exca, and from there id prob do waterpon > dracozolt, tangrowth > hydrapple, and smth over goodra (probably clef or lele but honestly im not sure), also tran should be magma ep tox taunt @ lefties

[limber crypt]

dont really see the appeal behind blizzard kyu or rock slide lu, ur fine vs volc and yard if u play aggressive so ice beam > blizz on kyu and whirl > slide on ting, idt this needs much else
second team looks fine but id consider 4a zama, havent seen id zama in a while

[limber crypt]

i think subsd chomp is the better play here i only rly think scale shot is good with mchomp (and obv dice doesnt exist yet) but looks good otherwise

[proper yarrow]

I did have np ghold before but stuff mdia was very difficult, that's why Im using scarf ghold

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/5843a7e645533b6f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

Mega scizor 1.1% to get 2hko by atk 252+ lando eq

[hidden osprey]

things to note for later
this is really slow, at minimal have something faster than cinderace
zap evs and nature arent the best
av tar isnt a good set
mirror coat on non av alos arent good at all
adamant lando isnt real, and if they really wanted to they would setup and nuke with z
flame clef isnt good on non cm
changes
make clef knock/twave>flame
boots 4a zama>ttar (may be worth using band for the immediate power)
use spd molt with defog>hurricane over zap
protect>mirror coat on alo
use sample msciz set
lmk if theres any issues with the team after the changes

[hardy frigate]

What's the sample set M sciz
(I saw many close combat m sciz)

[hidden osprey]

i mean the bulky one mb

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 248 HP / 112 Def / 128 SpD / 20 Spe
Impish Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bullet Punch
• Knock Off
• Roost

[hardy frigate]

(idk why they use close combat M sciz with Atk Spe 252 ev)

[hidden osprey]

thats the offensive version

[limber crypt]

bulky ghold instead could be nice, alternatively dropping one of the dragons for smth that can pressure dia is an option

[crystal thorn]

Playing a themed bracket w some pals and this is the team I got, never done any real teambuilding or pvp battling b4 and dont wanna get immediately smoked. Only thing I cant change is Abilities, advice would be greatly appreciated

@limber crypt

[heady parcel]

https://pokepast.es/05ac1612b3512310

Mega pinsir

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne willow]

we don't help with gimmick teams like this, almost every single pokemon here is unviable (with the exception of ferrothorn)

if you want a good team, you can use some of the samples

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[hardy frigate]

can u explain why spd molt?

Idk how to use molt

[hidden osprey]

spd molt bc ur yard check got dropped for zama

[serene hemlock]

Appreciate it the help I made those switched and it worked pretty well

https://pokepast.es/71cdd2043a8045a6

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[serene hemlock]

Anyone wanna rate this

[potent furnace]

mega absol is very bad

run mdia over it

and then make bolt like boots

and this is fine

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Honestly I'd make tusk a drill lol

And maybe torn can be made a better fighting resist

Once u reveal the scarf, tusk becomes pretty meh

In my experience

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/7bf4634752825ec3

@limber crypt

[dense lance]

https://pokepast.es/6c79ae81207afabc

is this sun team any good, it’s my first attempt at team building and the blissey kinda makes it feel off but idk what to change it

@limber crypt

[limber crypt]

any reason for scarf tusk over scarf lando? Think that change with like ghold > corv should be fine

[limber crypt]

seems fine, its webs so not much to say

[limber crypt]

hlilli is bliss kinda suck, i think rbolt and fog kart might be the play with maybe hatt over vic as well

hatt over vic can let u run scarf kart too

[celest merlin]

Hey @feral mason, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[blissful ingot]

Tried to make a BO team around zamazanta and hoopa-U but need some help and input

https://pokepast.es/cf06622e951afb94

[limber crypt]

if u like it for that then i think its fine, the team is not too hazard weak so you can theoretically run idef bpress uturn roost with defog scwrf lando

[limber crypt]

not a huge fan of av hoopa persinally and its overlapping a bit with kingambit here so id drop one of them fora pon check (dnite doesnt seem bad), woyld also do lando over glisc with hdb zama

if u decide on dnite over kgb just know that not having a steel might be a pain

[glossy sierra]

https://pokepast.es/b78c634dab9f8a26 is this team good?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hidden osprey]

solid, although would do fblast>hp fire on lele and put a spd tran over av ttar

bc of that you can consider cc/stedge tusk over rocks and rocks tran, or keep tusk rocks and make tran tox/taunt

[glossy sierra]

lele doesnt get access to fire blast unless you mean a different move

[hidden osprey]

yea focus blast

[glossy sierra]

this a good tran set?

[glossy sierra]

ooh alt

[hollow fern]

this team needs a ground immune no?

[hidden osprey]

do the sample det

o not locked in do lando>ttar mb

[glossy sierra]

ye thats where i got it from

so no tran?

alr

https://pokepast.es/004e81f3c1ceb0b3

wb this team its like kinda similar to the other one but idk which is better

[hidden osprey]

looks like a user i cannot name type of team

[glossy sierra]

idk if this is a good thing or not 💔

but which u reccomend i use

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

this is better suited for the ndot thread

this thread is specifically for national dex OU if you want a nd mono team rated you'd get better luck there

[slate gale]

Oh oke

[potent furnace]

heres the link #1060037469472555028 message

[slate gale]

I am delete the message then I guess

[potent furnace]

nah its fine

[slate gale]

Oh well

[potent furnace]

[slate gale]

Still thanks

[potent furnace]

what happens happens

yea np

[loud oyster]

https://pokepast.es/8f5f4c76e10b276a

How this team lookin

T wave Ghold bo

[paper laurel]

Hello everyone, could someone with experience help me put together a trick room team please?

[potent furnace]

id personally rather be boots > balloon ghold here

other than that its fine

you have latios and lando i dont think you need a 3rd ground immune

[proper yarrow]

This kinda loses to volcarona tbh

[potent furnace]

spdef lando

!!

[proper yarrow]

I'd rather spdef chomp

And then some other ground immunity

Actually no

Mega latios

[loud oyster]

That makes sense

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/59a265c0960be50d

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

Stall team? :/

Why heatran using flamethrower instead of magma storm:
I hate 75% acc

[hidden osprey]

uh, stall is supposed to minimize your oppos progress
something like this https://pokepast.es/f57c3bf775739c46 is a good example
what you have is closer to a doubles trick room team, so if you want to a go a trick room angle you can do that

,

[proper yarrow]

Surely the oger counterplay should be better than hoping to not get crit

No dozo or msab

[hardy frigate]

I see,i dropped my rate to 1.5k now and started to use ts

https://pokepast.es/193e6c4f609341df
(B4 stall team went like 1650 and dropped)

[nocturne willow]

phys def pecha

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/1d7f3a6fb0afe7b8

[celest merlin]

Hey @ornate horizon, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[naive field]

Rate my team https://pokepast.es/6d43b30341f512e7

[blissful ingot]

need assistance with this Hoopa-U BO team. Ive noticed i lack a good form of speed control

https://pokepast.es/349f14f604cde217

[upbeat flicker]

https://pokepast.es/fa8f51c3d8cf3c02 how do i maximize this team or give every mon on this team the optimal set up

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/ffccdd2a16745292

[paper mango]

mega charizard y kinda mauls this team

zamazenta switches in once and then you’re fried

so maybe add mega latios over terapagos

or toxapex over alo, your choice

either way you might wanna go with magic guard for clef and a more bulky ev spread for ghold

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/08d2f6b089c5c67b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Ogerpon might 6-0 if it wins the speed tie against gallade

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/8af4e460275e33b3

[thorny matrix]

Soo add an ogerpon resit ?

Does the team have any other major flaws ?

[blissful ingot]

need assistance with this Hoopa-U BO team. Ive noticed i lack a good form of speed control

https://pokepast.es/349f14f604cde217

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/a403db970650fc90

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[paper mango]

yeah no good speed control, also wogerpon kinda just mauls you if it sets up once, and with this team it’s kinda easy with alo

+tapu lele’s kind of a problem

might wanna switch gambit for ferro

and then since you already have rocks then you can make lando scarf is how I would tackle it

also if you wanna run cm terap, might wanna run flamethrower over ibeam, as you kinda just get stonewalled by steels otherwise and tera starstorm can push through lando/glisc with enough setup

+av alo moght be something you wanna look into to check zard y, but not really nessesary

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/3c963b942e5de9f7

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

this looks fine, just go aggro vs waterpon (maybe a different item on tusk and z on koko since u handle grounds p well already)

[amber ice]

really? i was thinking my ground matchup was pretty rough

especially gliscor

[limber crypt]

not really? you go slowbro and port into tusk, with boots fusk you spin freely when it spikes

[limber crypt]

seems a bit all over the place, or like you tried masjing a gn 8 and 9 team together, what were you trying to build around?

[amber ice]

ah gotcha

okay bet thank you

[blissful ingot]

That would mean I don’t have a ghost resist

[paper mango]

you right

[abstract juniper]

this work looks hellish @merry delta thank god 1v1 gets no rates

[merry delta]

Yeah.

[abstract juniper]

praying for you

[merry delta]

I don’t rate this shit anymore

LOL.

I stepped down from rating here like 5 months ago

[abstract juniper]

gg

[merry delta]

gg indeed.

[paper mango]

hey

the people won’t learn

if there’s no people to guide them

[blissful ingot]

ive been having alot of fun with this team and need it to be rated. Im thinking of swapping some items around and maybe some team members,

https://pokepast.es/699142ae363f4f26

[hardy frigate]

done :/

https://pokepast.es/9767f88de2c675ba

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

balanced Electric terrain

team

[limber crypt]

I think this is the better vwrsion, but id drop fog on koko for roost and ur free to run a diff rocker than tran (if i may offer a niche option, z kommo-o seems really nice here)

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/e875708236d76a0a

[blissful ingot]

ive been having alot of fun with this team and need it to be rated. Im thinking of swapping some items around and maybe some team members,

https://pokepast.es/699142ae363f4f26

[empty solar]

https://pokepast.es/d482f2d5bfd1822a

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[paper mango]

looks fine

only change i’d make is heat wave over twave

and potentially band over scarf on shifu however that’s your desicion

[paper mango]

looks fine, maybe just rocks over volt switch on treads

you could also run recover over fblast on ghold but then the gambit matchup gets worse so your choice

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/3792b2cc2bda6392

[hardy frigate]

band stealth rock

wow

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/55540c988939890d

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

This good

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/c17d7496bc478411

[proper yarrow]

This is bad

[cobalt skiff]

What should I do to improve

[proper yarrow]

Bin the team and use a sample

U have nasty plot twice on thundurus

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/1918f9ed73196942

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/61762025e3f8bc06

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

should i go koko>kyurem

[limber crypt]

this looks fine, i would try wish mola tho, since i think if u play more wggressive you wont miss the added special bulk

[amber ice]

with electric z

[amber ice]

okay bet

[limber crypt]

and wishpass gives kyu ttar tink more opportunities overall

[amber ice]

oh coolio

[chilly mirage]

https://pokepast.es/c1e427b0f75bf286

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/f8d75ebee4a269d0

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy frigate]

https://pokepast.es/ac32c65a2964bf02

Bulky dengo

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/21cc7728128add2d

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/cd2eb3093c542e18

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/8aa2a7f7466a518f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

waterpon crushes this, so i think u drop clef and meows (i dont like scarf meows) for ig mtios and scarf urshifu, and then run rocks on chomp over sub

[limber crypt]

tbolt hp ice uturn roost koko, sball over hex on ghold, looks fine otherwise

[limber crypt]

this looks all over the place tbh, if u were trying to build around kommo-o i think its kinda to start there but i cant tell what u were trying to do

also the ho looks fine

[amber ice]

ah i see

i did start off with kommo, and i added kartana next

i figured id work on the offensive core first before developing the devensive core more

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/fe7b4a4e3bddda49

[naive field]

What do you think of this? https://pokepast.es/6d43b30341f512e7

[limber crypt]

think offensive kommo-o is better here, maybe with hwish clef, then consider a different item on gholdengo like balloon ig

[amber ice]

how come?

[limber crypt]

has this struggled with anything? Lopkyu is pretty consistent but the team does feel a bit slow

[limber crypt]

defensive kommo-o just doesnt really fit the playstyle

wouldve suggested zama over it but that makes the team a bit pon weak

[naive field]

Haven’t really been able to test it much, I just made the team and was looking for potential improvements

[limber crypt]

seems fine, just the lack of offenaive pressure outside of just lop and kyu is concerning, could consider smth more offensive over mola but idk what

[naive field]

Ogerpon W maybe?

toxic and wish has been really useful tho I will say

[limber crypt]

ye that could def work

[amber ice]

ahh i see

hold on gimme a sec

[amber ice]

does hwish clef run softboiled?

[limber crypt]

hwish moonblast twave softboiled

[amber ice]

okay bet

[limber crypt]

and sr on kokmo-o

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/ac06340e59c5bf01

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

hows this lookin

[limber crypt]

yep looks good

[amber ice]

coolio

is this still considered balance?

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/6caa00265c20810b

[violet hedge]

https://pokepast.es/5326b94b63c1576f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/40d3007cf4e6b7cf

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/cc7232d0d6f608d5

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/568ab0288b2b1b8b this team has seen me quite a bit sucess but hazards are an issue for kyurem do not know what to change to solve this. Any help would be appriciated

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[robust vine]

Kyurem sub roost is very good this time better than ur actual set imo

[robust vine]

Dont have unaware in Stall is bad

[amber ice]

should i make it unaware clef?

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/259f5e081262d1e4 team is pretty decent got me to around 1750 but once i hit 1800 it started to struggle continuous loss stall and strong defensive cores seem to power through my team need tips

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pine dew]

https://pokepast.es/9f8d3c4f667ad929

need help with this pkza team

[celest merlin]

Hey @pine dew, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[mint bear]

https://pokepast.es/3dc4f7ee64301f95

Ignore the tera's

[mint bear]

Mega greninja?

[proper yarrow]

We only rate teams made for competitive purposes

And walking wake isn't in za I'm pretty sure

[silk ore]

https://pokepast.es/60dc7ffba285b397

[proper yarrow]

No ground type

And that lele set is troll

[silk ore]

howd u know

smh

what to change and improve

[proper yarrow]

Hm

Idk

Haven't use mbee

[silk ore]

i just need mbee to be on the field without cause for concerns

[silk ore]

https://pokepast.es/3f478d750d419d2f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silk ore]

ok im experimenting

but

this team is weak to zard y

and im kinda confused with some mons here

[pine dew]

pokeaim tour isn't competitive...

[proper yarrow]

pokeaim tour also isnt an official competetive format

[pine dew]

calling bs

[proper yarrow]

is there a ladder for it on ps

[thorny matrix]

Ah okie is there anything else ?

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/7b50c4e4e6893a82

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

update of foolihness and despair

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/432f2bcb567a4421

[cursive shard]

https://pokepast.es/4a11766e1b746efb

[loud oyster]

https://pokepast.es/2a365955d697f2f2

How does this team look

[proper yarrow]

volcarona cooks this

[gleaming harbor]

some counter play for volcarona tbh

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/85428039f76dea61

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

i like this but why is your zamazenta life orb

band/hdb is like, literally always better

sure u sink momentum by locking urself to a move but chipping zama suddenly one of the easiest taks you can accomplish in a match when the zama alr does the job for you

also be careful w weavilve ur switch ins are super limited esp w again, your super chippable zamazenta
that being said it's winnable cause u can revenge kill it/force it out but js be careful playing into it, i like the team a lot

[blazing moth]

sd ival destroys the moment it gets a single boost

it's hard cause you're far from passive but one slip up and it's over literally nothing can take a hit

same w lorb mixed

arguably harder to manage but it chips itself so that's something

[obtuse ridge]

https://pokepast.es/5fb0a58814d95f4c

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/cc61cea98f70886e

more rilla balance

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/f087a49bb96cb8a7

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[robust vine]

Nice comp of team don’t know for What style play its

[blazing moth]

be careful w specs lele imo
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 126-148 (40 - 46.9%) -- 43.8% chance to 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes

psychic is js straight up a 2hko after 1 layer of spikes

if u tricked the scarf early/the opp sees it's scarf it's becomes way easier for em too

not unwinnable but an mu to wach out for

ghold hstack also can destroy ur a bit cause u fogger rly cant touch a bulky ghold at all

[amber ice]

ohh yeah

thats true

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/ba7dbc1d18e7c875

@limber crypt

[amber ice]

update https://pokepast.es/08a8daf3075128ff

[blazing moth]

i like this one better but idt firium heatran doing much

[amber ice]

was worried i dont have enough immediate power

I always try to fit a z move on the team

[blazing moth]

u can do fly z lando

[amber ice]

hmmm

[blazing moth]

fly z lando punches a hole in js abt every team

and if ur gonna do z on tran do grassium imo

[amber ice]

oh wait

z lando might not work

its a gterrain team

[blazing moth]

fly z

not groundium

[amber ice]

yeah but they normally run EQ as well

[blazing moth]

rockium could work too

[amber ice]

and running lando no ground coverage feels wrong

[blazing moth]

u sd anyways so it kinda makes up for it

[amber ice]

hmmm

what about z ground on htran

[blazing moth]

u also uave stomping tantrum i think, does the bp lower?

idt it does

[blazing moth]

do grassium atp

an offensive tran

[spring scaffold]

can anyone tell me what i should improve in my trick room team

or even replacements

https://pokepast.es/98de3e73d7477cd5

[celest merlin]

Hey @spring scaffold, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[spring scaffold]

nah

[blazing moth]

couple of fundamental issues here, like, besides trick room sucking right off the bat.

1. too much setters, not enough abusers - every tr team needs at LEAST 3 abusers, yours has 2

i mean you can do 3 tr setters but your hatt is like trying to be an abuser and setter which js doesn't work in singles

make it a suicide lead

imo

2. your abusers suck - ampharos sucks even in tr and the moveset is bad on top of it, i suggest u js replace w another slow mega that actually can ohko everything in it's path like mega mawile, as for conkeldurr, just use ursaluna instead, literally js better in every way

3. get that alomomola outta there it's not doing shit waste your trick room turns, use slowbro instead which can set tr and still pivot out slowly

also get you dusclops night shade instead of like haze or something

[spring scaffold]

Thank you dude

Which setter should I remove

[blazing moth]

dusclops, very passive and does effectively nothing over other setter other than being slightly bulkier

u could try cresselia over the slowbro/alomomola spot too, so you have healing wish

u can also use healing wish on hatt but personally idt she's lasting that long

that one of ur abusers gets low on hp

u could also try having a setter that has hazards, like mew that has tr, rocks and teleport

although that kinda unreliable

cause being passive against tr is like asking to lose

https://pokepast.es/6891e0a9c90269b9 you could do sm like this, although gambit rly js a placeholder here

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

has this struggled with anything? you seem good into most stuff here

[limber crypt]

dont really like scarf ghold here, i think scarf hamu might be a better fit, slack > flame on slowbro as well

[spring scaffold]

Ty man

[proper yarrow]

No not really

[obtuse ridge]

zard y no ?

also shouldnt he give koko defog instead of roost

roost is useless atp

[limber crypt]

lati checks, and koko rks (scarf ursh too at lower ranges)

[obtuse ridge]

lati takes 50% weather ball

or like 40 smth but after rocks

[limber crypt]

soft check i mean

[obtuse ridge]

and koko roost is jus useless

defog would be better

[limber crypt]

yards annoying but theres ways around it

[obtuse ridge]

for those rocks

yeah thats why the defog would be better than roost i'd say

[limber crypt]

idt koko should be the defogger then, i think sr ferro and fog lando is the way

[obtuse ridge]

i mean yeah i guess but i still think fog koko is better

[trim prawn]

I recommend Gyro Ball > Knock Off on Ferro and then Knock Off > Taunt on Landorus-T. Atm your team is kinda weak to sub Dnite and Kyurem so the first change fixes that. The second change gives you something to knock off Slowbro and Corv rocky helmet for Shifu so you still have a Knock Off user. This is a slower Lando and you already have a Defog blocker so Taunt isnt as useful as it is normally. Ik Im just a rando but this is my 2c

[spring scaffold]

who could i put to replace gambit?

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/9143f9ac6ca7bc54

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt skiff]

Yo guys can someone make me a team around hoopa unbound and barreskewda not rain team

[amber ice]

(this was inspired by Ehmcee's 'Surface Pressure' Stall team)

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/4d92861a26217ebb

[blazing moth]

you have a couple options, for straight up ground immunities you have p much just braviaty tho, but for resistances you like a bunch of workable grass and bug types like brute bonnet with a slow spore turned fast under tr (also has sucker punch like gambit giving you nice prio), sd breloom, decidueye-h and prob the best pick for a resist is uh buzzwhole i think

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/d078e4375198b173 looking for tips on how to improve

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spring scaffold]

Ty

[mighty peak]

https://pokepast.es/51853a8f93870a87

Could anyone give me some feedback? Right now it's a rain team that's centered around mega swampert and has kartana and garchomp for coverage.

hopefully correct forum this time

[blazing moth]

magnezone not doing anything in your team since you dont have any offensive mon that gets hard walled by steels, lando w both defog and stealth rock is bad that only works with rapid spin mons who can simultaneously set rocks not mons who clear your own hazards

also i dont quite know how to feel abt your hatt there since that healing wish is more rly offensive teams like offense, sun and bo's but ur pretty much running a rly passive balance/bo that doesn't rly do anything with said healing wish

[blazing moth]

well ig u can use mag for mscizor actually but why not js heatran atp it's js better and sets rocks so u have an extra slot on lando and you can make it scarf to have the speed control that is lost with replacing scarf mag in the first place.
Also ur evs on kyurem are wrong if it runs sub put 56 evs on hp

also the evs on lando are weird, you either run like 224 jolly for tusk, uninvested or maybe like 8 evs if you wanna outspeed bulk gholdengo, on defensive sets at least

[celest coral]

https://pokepast.es/f4336abb2ebb6968

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest coral]

Could anyone give me some feedback?

[blazing moth]

you need an msab for mega medicham, hazards instead of roost on glisc and something that lasts longer than ferro on your team and a also a ghold check (so basically clod)

u also need a better lele check since ferro isn't good on stall

[celest coral]

https://pokepast.es/8023e714076a604a this time can counter stall

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest coral]

I need a team that counters stall but can beat a balanced and ho

can you help me a build this team?

or a stall team

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/377c693e6d356255 this would prob be better but u need a waterpon check, not like you had it before since most pons use superpower for ferro

wait the movesets are wrong

[celest coral]

ok

[celest coral]

are you brazilian?

if yes I am too

[blazing moth]

🇵🇹

[celest coral]

pode falar em portugues entao?

mais facil para os dois

kkkkk

[blazing moth]

no u cant

i think this is English only

https://pokepast.es/05cc4b76130e9d6d anyways this has the right movesets now

u still to find a better way to check pon though

[celest coral]

and a team to counter stall but do well against other types of teams?

[blazing moth]

beating stall is not hard nowadays, you have a tons of mons who can do it w help and also a bunch who can do it on their own, examples include heatran, diancie-mega, mega medicham and mega mawile and just about any well played choice band pokemon

[celest coral]

how to counter stall with mega medicham?

or mega mawile

[blazing moth]

for medicham find a way to kill mega sableye then its all over, mega mawile should be an easy win once you get dondozo knocked off and a put sr up

[celest coral]

I dont understand

how to counter stall with mega mawile

can you explain it to me better?

[blazing moth]

ok so basically

mawile kills js about everything except dondozo

on a stall team

or pex if they run it

so to kill dozo with mawile you have to manage a way to put hazards up

[celest coral]

Is there any pokemon that counters dondozo?

[blazing moth]

special electric types and strong special attackers

so like every electric type ever

[celest coral]

Can you help me make a team with mega mawile and one with mega medicham?

[blazing moth]

im not very good with building offense teams but sure i can help

[celest coral]

If you can, avoid using more than one legendary

[blazing moth]

then you're probably not gonna be able to defeat stall

[celest coral]

entao uns 2 lendarios?

[blazing moth]

as much as you need to have a well functioning team

there's no cap to how many legendaries you can use, you do a full team of em that doesn't matter

what matters is what the mons provide to you

[celest coral]

so forget what I said about the legendaries

[blazing moth]

basically yeah

[celest coral]

heatran with mega mawile is a good combinacion?

[blazing moth]

yes that's a great combo actually, heatran deals with annoying pokemon like toxapex, trapping and killing them and also set rocks for mawile, while mawile deals with the fighting types that can kill heatran

[celest coral]

I want to use both of them, what would be the other mons?

?

[blazing moth]

you need a ground immunity so something like gliscor, tornadus-therian, or landorus-therian would be good to take on ground types and set more hazards/clear them, provide extra utility with hdb/use a powerful z move or serve as a scarf speed control and hazard removal for each pokemon respectively.

[celest coral]

can you build a team for me?

if it doesn't bother you

[blazing moth]

i dont really feel like it rn, besides the fact that I'm not the greatest offense/bulky offense teambuilder ever

also, that wouldn't really... like help you get better at teambuilding

i can help you tho

[celest coral]

https://pokepast.es/5ac731932105f65a

how can I finish this team or improve it

@blazing moth

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/210036dc28b7ffe7 fixed your movesets and EVs, try to look up the sets on smogon pokedex they're like the pretty much always the best for your team

[celest coral]

quais os outros dois pokemons que posso usar?

[blazing moth]

anyways next up you need is:

• speed control
• a waterpon check
• hazard control

i think you should remove gholdengo it isn't doing much besides give you a triple weakness to ground

[celest coral]

https://pokepast.es/c364c3de7845aafa I wonder if this team is good?

[blazing moth]

you could add dragonite too to check ogerpon-wellspring

[celest coral]

how to improve this team

to stay the way I wanted

[celest coral]

.

[blazing moth]

it's alright

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/955b94f30b5616f6

fixed some evs and items and shit i think it's a bot better now but it's alr p ok

[celest coral]

but how can I make him win at stall

[blazing moth]

although you lack speed control and life orb iron valiant isn't very good outside electric terrain teams

[blazing moth]

you have every tool you could ask for to win stall in this team

medicham and court change most notably

[celest coral]

ok

so this team can win a stall?

[serene sluice]

https://pokepast.es/79bb73de7331e903

Wanted to build around one of my favorite mons, and i chose Jirachi. Im using Jirachi itself as a wish passer, along with a few other mons that I felt compliment it. Im generally fine with changing anything on this team, that isnt switching out jirachi itself

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lethal token]

Too much u turns and other switches tbh thats good that u got pivots but id suggest switching urshifus scarf for a band so u would have a solid wb

Since u got protect on gliscor u-turn aint that needed u also can switch it to toxic

[sturdy current]

What do you guys think of my team ? I wanted to build a team around Mega Heracross. I also slapped in Chandelure with Choice Scarf because I love Chandelure.

https://pokepast.es/504c72501e323d60

[celest merlin]

Hey @sturdy current, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[sturdy current]

I use it in both NatDex gen 9 and 8

[blazing moth]

✅

[blazing moth]

it's interesting, imo make the weavile sd so it can clean games more easily and isn't a momentum drain after clicking a move, besides you wont lack immediate power bc you have mhera to begin with so

[blazing moth]

also you should probably make the heracross have 184+ speed evs, enough to outspeed defensive zapdos

and you have like 70 evs spare for hp

[sturdy current]

Ah I see

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/4b12b4544e650e89 want to know if this is any good or if i should make improvements

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[half storm]

Which of these two versions is better and what improvements could I make to them?
https://pokepast.es/f01da8afba4ee8df
https://pokepast.es/50eaab64315c671e

[blazing moth]

first bc at least like that one of ur wincons can touch corv

also that's one random scarf vic, idt bro's doing much over say, lele or urshifu

[celest coral]

can you help me?

you have a good team?

with zamazenta

[blazing moth]

https://pokepast.es/00c2cc444afd69af some set changes i think make your team better like sacking defog on zap since you alr have tusk and nasty plot ghold for a generally better wincon, ironically tho your switchins to kyurem aren't great other than your own kyurem

[celest coral]

can you help me?

[celest coral]

can you rate this team?

https://pokepast.es/af8d819a69314c8b]

[cobalt skiff]

https://pokepast.es/8582773d4cab7ea4

How is this guys

[blazing moth]

not bad but you have a bunch of issues like non swords dance mawile, a random blissey and dondozo that do effectively nothing for your team and heavy duty boots landorus when you always prefer rocky helmet for the useful chip it provides for your wallbreakers

also you have no speed control at all and your tapu lele makes sucker punch unusable on your mawile

[blazing moth]

pelipper > politoed always, sack thundurus and use zapdos imo bc it does all the same stuff as thundurus but it's js a better mon overall, also run weather ball on it, heat wave on tornadus doesn't make sense because it's a rain team, bulk up does nothing for swamp and so doesn't sub imo but sub is js a good move in general so it's not actively setting you back ig

[celest coral]

https://pokepast.es/56885202cf20a48c rate this team pls

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tawdry ice]

https://pokepast.es/9b173e1f7a40dcb3 what rate and what to change?

[blazing moth]

wrong format

[tawdry ice]

oh right mb

[broken frigate]

https://pokepast.es/195e54273474dffb RMT

[celest merlin]

Hey @broken frigate, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[broken frigate]

its for this format i swear 😭

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/5021ec10fdecdec3

[nocturne willow]

we don't help with cobblemon teams

[broken frigate]

its a natdex ou team tho

why does it matter where i use it 😭

[nocturne willow]

ok let's say I tell you to use Terapagos, will you be able to actually use it?

Or are you going to say "I can't get it"

[broken frigate]

yes i can use terapagos

i can use any mon in any format, and this format is natdex ou

i will use the team outside of cobblemon too, on pokemon showdown

the teams name just happened to be "my cobblemon team"

[broken frigate]

smh

you made him sad so now hes hiding in the grass

[blazing moth]

First of all dozo and chansey dont do anything useful here, this is not a stall team so stall mons aren't gonna do anything for but be momentum drains with bordeline 0 tradeoff defensively over normal offense/bulky offense walls
As for the rest it's alr but the sets aren't quite right.
medicham - thunder punch -> ice punch for glisc and lando
zapdos - thunderbolt -> hurricane
gliscor - roost -> toxic
you also lack must haves like knock off, and you lose to subroost kyurem pretty badly

[serene sluice]

https://pokepast.es/ae9b7c0296599af0 I feel like this is a decent start to a team, but i def know theres things i can probably change

Pretty sure this wont be seen for a while

Not my first time building, but its more so my first time building without forcing a sub-par mon on the team

[broken frigate]

who

[serene sluice]

Dondozo

Read

[broken frigate]

i meant who are they replying too

damn surely not everybody in this discord had piss in their cheerios this morning

[blazing moth]

i was talking to the other dude dw twin

OH WAIT FORGOT TO PING 😭

mb

[blazing moth]

@celest coral

[broken frigate]

lmaoo no worries chief i ended up finding the team but at first i was lookin through the links like 👁️ 👄 👁️ tryna find it 😂

[celest coral]

https://pokepast.es/05aba4d3eac6bf6b

[celest coral]

obg

[serene sluice]

Sorry to ask but can you check out my team to help me with it?

I wanna avoid posting the pokepaste again for the notificstion

[blazing moth]

dw they don't ping for a bit after sm is posted, uhh rn is kinda late like 00:27 so if nobody does it before i can rate it tmr

[serene sluice]

Im saying i wanna avoid just reposting the link since the 6 hour timer is gone

[blazing moth]

yeah dw I'll js scroll up tmr, again if nobody does it before ig

[serene sluice]

Kk

[amber ice]

up dat

[blazing moth]

it's uh alr i guess but it has a bunch of issues, first and foremost, ground immunity (borderline every team needs one)
then you have a lot of weird sets like on scizor (bug bite is bad, use sm like u-turn or knock off, also, what is it supposed to outspeed with that ev spread??), the band cinderace (if u wanna use it go for it but sucker doesn't do anything use hi jump kick for heatran), the assault vest h-samu (you're lacking the one move that makes it good in ceaseless edge), and defog fini (besides the fact that it's a bad defogger, it also clears the terrain crucial for your calm mind sweep, and you already have hazard control in tusk, use taunt it's like always better) and lastly the tusk (headlong rush is just better than eq on it)

[blazing moth]

you have no speed control and imo ur mu is a bit into a lot common defensive mons like gliscor, alomomola and toxapex

esp bc you staus absorber in fini is super sensitive to switching in with hazards up, and your hazard removal very easily poisoned by those same pokemon i mentioned

[amber ice]

zama isnt speed control?

i thought it was since its super fast

[blazing moth]

oh mb yes but it's not enough

[amber ice]

how come?

[blazing moth]

it's enough on bulkier teams like balance/fat

[blazing moth]

bc your team is frankly, not that bulky to handle the loss of speed

[amber ice]

zayum....

[blazing moth]

it had to be balance for zama to be main source of speed control

or fat

bo still most definitely needs a scarf a lot of times

or a big prio user alongside ur zama

[amber ice]

what if i go zap -> corv and zama -> shifu

and z offensive on volc

[blazing moth]

or else mons like dnite can do big dmg to u and u waste ur one time def boost to force it out and the opp can js force zama in return

a well played hdb dnite can win long game i just noticed

[blazing moth]

ok sure but then u an issue i js notice that's still unsolved

yard

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/4ba547ad13fa63d5

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

ting lu doesn't last that long against it

and now you don't have ting lu period

[amber ice]

😭😭😭

gimme a sec

[blazing moth]

i feel like you could've kept zamazenta, get shifu instead of fini and a gholdengo instead of metagross

[amber ice]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

[blazing moth]

metagross js not good

I'll bsfr

u need a slow pivot for it too

[amber ice]

wrong copy paste 😭😭😭

[blazing moth]

wrong link

[amber ice]

https://pokepast.es/1063c480dc842e99

[amber ice]

damn

[blazing moth]

ok this better actually

u check pon and yard

[amber ice]

yeeerp

[blazing moth]

but now u lack speed control again

[amber ice]

what if i go scarf fini

[blazing moth]

uh

[amber ice]

like trick scald moonblast cm

[blazing moth]

no giving up metagross right

[amber ice]

its the star mon i want to build around 💔💔💔

[blazing moth]

nah that's fair i get u

but the role compression ghold'd give you now would be amazing

anyways uh lemme see another scarfer u could fit or a prio user

[amber ice]

lele.....?

maaaaybeeee?

[blazing moth]

no cause

[amber ice]

oh right

prio

[blazing moth]

u need a volc check

[amber ice]

uhhhhh

oh whaart

ogey

[blazing moth]

scarf fini could actually work ig

[amber ice]

swag

oh yeah

btw

when you said not enough speed

[blazing moth]

?

[amber ice]

whats a good benchmark to hit?

[blazing moth]

depends on team structure

like

if ur playing a balance or sm bulkier than bo but isn't stall

outspeeding 130 mons could be good

like koko

or at least speed tieing that if you can check common speed control mons like lele, zama, mlop, shifu bla bla

mlop is particularly great bc it can be both that great speed AND the prio

[amber ice]

oh sweet

[blazing moth]

so u wouldn't need a scarf even in more offensive shit

[amber ice]

okay check this

https://pokepast.es/aba2a38d60697f32

[amber ice]

ahh gotcha

[blazing moth]

on more offensive shit u should aim to have a speed control that is faster than dnite at +1

[amber ice]

gotcha

[blazing moth]

at least

[amber ice]

how come?

[blazing moth]

wdym how come

[amber ice]

why dnite +1 specifically

[blazing moth]

bc that's a good speed threshold that's faster than shit like scarf ghold but slower than like +1 speed pagos or scarf lando, lele and other stuff

imo

it's the least a speed control should outspeed

[amber ice]

+1 dnit is slower than scarf ghold

[blazing moth]

again in more offensive teams (and u can pack slower speed control if u have 2 mons that fill that role together)

[blazing moth]

no it isn't

[amber ice]

like

timid scarf ghold?

[blazing moth]

it's still slower than max speed +1 dnite

wait no mb

[amber ice]

yerp

[blazing moth]

i keep mistaking gholds speed w heatran's

[amber ice]

all good

but yeah i get ya

[blazing moth]

still u should aim to outspeed at least +1 dnite

[amber ice]

yerp

this game is hard 💔💔💔

[blazing moth]

once u get the basics all pieced together team building becomes way easier

u can uh use a checklist

of roles

and then review your gameplan against every main mon in the tier

and change ur team accordingly

[amber ice]

i do its just sometimes i make teams in like 10 minutes and play the game without double checking 😭😭😭

pinkacross lately has been my pokemon jesus

[blazing moth]

normally i always show my teams to ny friends before i test em

but taking them out on field works too, it's a more direct way of learning

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/a897b2bada0a8a26 any tips for improvement

[cobalt skiff]

Guys I think of building a team my current ones are special lando tapu fini barreskewda scarf hoopa what else should i add Im playing OU or below

[blazing moth]

this is actually pretty good i don't see many issues, maybe your weakness to subroost kyurem? none of ur mons rly switch well into freeze dry and eat ep well in return

chips u at bits

[blazing moth]

uh and maybe a bit of a glisc weakness too since it can tox js abt everything in ur team and and the immunities are the ground weak tran and ghold which can't hit glisc allat hard either, although you can trick the scarf

[broken frigate]

Bump

[celest coral]

@blazing moth you know a good team in ndex?

can you say for me?

[blazing moth]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-bazaar.3710928/

have fun finding your match

[celest coral]

ok

[celest coral]

you know a best team with mega medicham?

help me a build this team

[serene sluice]

https://pokepast.es/5186e834a2f72dd5

Changed some of the team around while also taking into account your suggestions.
Went from Samurott -> Zapdos since i needed a flying type, and it generally didnt do anything for me Fini didnt already do
Banded Meowscarada feels a bit more consistent than cinder, since im not relying on accuracy moved to do good damage, and dont get fucked over by rocks.

Pretend mega scizor has its extra 4 in def

[serene sluice]

I get fucked by charizard Y

[broken frigate]

@blazing moth lmkkkk

[hollow fern]

the team looks like its needs some more immediate power/some sort of wincon, so id go z np on ghold instead of hex. in terms of the sets, go soft boiled>moonlight for clef, scald>chilling water on pex (also go boots since you have no removal), and maybe ice fang>heavy slam on zama since your ability to get past a glisc/lando doesnt look too great

honestly this looks like a more passive version of the old mono aids sample/the new mdia spikes stack sample

[broken frigate]

I haven’t seen either of em, is that a bad thing?

[broken frigate]

What’s z np?

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/ad434bab44a687ac
https://pokepast.es/e09db4712aecacfb
these are the teams
its not necesarily bad, the breaking power on ur team is just pretty questionable

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

z crystal+nasty plot

[hollow fern]

whoops lol

[broken frigate]

Gotchya

Any suggestions for swaps that might make the breaking power better? I am pretty new to team building

[hollow fern]

you could just take the lame way out and replace clef with mdia lol

and make zama a shifu

[broken frigate]

Mdia?

[hollow fern]

mega diancie

[broken frigate]

Ohhhh

Hmmm but to me it seems like there are other problems that you’re not a fan of

[hollow fern]

wdym? like the movesets of the mons?

my main issue with the team overall is just the breaking power/offensive core

[broken frigate]

Idk you just don’t seem very happy with the team as a whole, maybe I’m the problem tho

I’m probably thinking abt it too much

[hollow fern]

lmao no no dw i like the team

clef is a cool mon

and gliscor+toxapex+ferrothorn structures are pretty good

[broken frigate]

Why do you think diancie is a better pick than cleffable

[hollow fern]

it gives you a strong breaker and a form of immediate power. clefs defensive use also isnt really needed here imo, since you already have a strong dark resist in the form of zamazenta

[broken frigate]

Gotcha, thanks for the suggestions!

[hollow fern]

mm hm np

[broken frigate]

ohh i also meant to ask, why do you think urshifu is better than zamazenta?

[hollow fern]

gives you an immediate way to threaten grounds types like gliscor and has more power than zamazenta

[broken frigate]

[blazing moth]

gang chill

i didn't even know if i should've rated u considering what the mod said

[broken frigate]

dont worry somebody else helped me

thanks tho

[blazing moth]

👍

[blazing moth]

you still lack speed control

[broken frigate]

oh also the mod said that you guys dont rate cobblemon teams

i already told you guys that it wasnt a cobblemon team

so there shouldnt have been any confusion

[blazing moth]

also dont use tbolt zapdos volt switch is enough and use triple axel in meowscarada

[blazing moth]

exactly

[blazing moth]

I'm not reading every message in this channel

that's up to u and him

you didn't tell me that you told him that

anyways

[broken frigate]

understandably, which is why i pinged you almost 24h later just in case you missed it

[blazing moth]

ok but you didn't ping me to the part where u said that wasn't a Minecraft team

cause i didn't notice

[broken frigate]

yeah i know

which is why someone else helped me

because they did notice

[blazing moth]

again, cool, thumbs up bro

[broken frigate]

☠️

[blazing moth]

no bc, like what do you want me to say? 😭

[broken frigate]

nothing, i just wanted you to realize that your condescending and passive-aggressive tone was really out of pocket

ive been here for less than 48 hours and ive seen a lot of it tho

must be smth in the community that im just not used too

[blazing moth]

nah bro that's not the intention i js dont know how do you exactly want to do

like if someone else helped you that's that

[broken frigate]

true, which is why i wanted you to realize that it was pretty out of pocket for you to randomly be like "chill" hours after i got helped, when my ping seemed fairly reasonable
i thought we were chill

if you hate me just say that

😂

[blazing moth]

bruh nobody hates u man

i said chill bc you alr tried to get my attention before but if we cant rate mc teams I'm not gonna do it

again that whole misunderstanding was between u and the mod not me i js read "we dont rate mc teams" and acted accordingly but you alr got rated so like again that's that

if u find a lot of trouble getting rated here you have the forums and the pokemon showdown rooms

i js do what i can you dont need to overthink it as "we hate you"

[proper yarrow]

Yes spread mono aids everywhere

More victims

[broken frigate]

No I didn’t that was someone else chief

“You hate me” was a joke

But it wasn’t funny I guess so it doesn’t even matter

[broken frigate]

Is a good team?

Looks pretty cool

[gleaming harbor]

https://pokepast.es/000e127195538a80 is this good

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing moth]

hdb>sludge on pex, that specific z on tusk aint doing anything and u lose to chomp once it gets an sd up

[gleaming harbor]

what do you recommend to beat chomp more def invest?

[blazing moth]

you could use ice spinner on tusk should be enough to fix the mu since it's a guaranteed ohko

and a scale almostttt never ohko's it at +2 from full

+2 252 Atk Garchomp Scale Shot (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 330-390 (88.9 - 105.1%) -- approx. 3.5% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Great Tusk Ice Spinner vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 368-436 (103 - 122.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[gleaming harbor]

so i should run ice z ice spinner

ty!

[blazing moth]

✅

[ornate horizon]

https://pokepast.es/748635dfea48fc26

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/8bbd605caca5de3f

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

seems fine, if i were to make a diff ho it would prob just be glimmora > terap and hatt > gyara with maybe bugz volc but those changes are kinda optional

tusk over twrap is an option as well

[blazing moth]

movesets on this are a bit weird like block celeesta and heavy slam zamazenta (which is fine just not your team because you already have 2 resists that do se dmg to fairies)

you also have ice spinner less iron treads and no ice beam latios

so gliscor kinda has an easy time setting spikes and shit against like almost everything in your team

[blazing moth]

and sd glisc can kinda ball everything especially once celesteela is chipped, which isn't the hardest thing to achieve considering heatran is a common partner that sets rocks and can hit celesteela and your hazard removal for big damage

[blazing moth]

also this
252 Atk Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Razor Shell vs. 244 HP / 36 Def Gliscor: 258-306 (73.2 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal
+2 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Samurott-Hisui: 247-292 (76.9 - 90.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

hamu is supper chippable too

[spring scaffold]

Hey could you tell me a good setup for brute bonnet in my trick room team?

[blazing moth]

idk swords dance, spore, a grass move and sucker punch? i guess?

with a life orb or something

[quiet yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/410619eacd41fcc1

[celest merlin]

Hey @quiet yarrow, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen8nationaldex. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.