NatDex OU Rates

[potent furnace]

yes

you're ho you dont want slow passive mons like toxapex

[thin bane]

alright so https://pokepast.es/3931f0dc0ad71c8b, I made this and im not sure what im missing/could be better or if its entirely trash. Need this team for a tourney im playing with friends for a big prize. Any help is appreciated, thanks!

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lethal token]

u dont have any hazzards removers, im not sure if hidden power ground on volcarona is legal, i have no idea why scizor got impish, choice band, swords dance and roost at once ig u tried bulky one but that wont work if u got a choice band...

[thin bane]

waht do you suggest?

[lethal token]

nvm hidden power ground is legal

give me a sec

[lethal token]

id recommend smth more like this: https://pokepast.es/5524a88b33f2d79d

skarmory will be just sweeping with wirlwind, scizor is made more bulky, bug bite as its got stab and technician boost

im not sure abt life orb on him how it will work

[proper yarrow]

Defog dragon dance dragonite

Pls don't do this to them

[thin bane]

lmfao

[lethal token]

yes 😈

[thin bane]

what do you think abouyt the new team admin?

[lethal token]

defog goes good on him cuz of multiscale tbh

[proper yarrow]

This looks like a screens HO

[thin bane]

could i swap something out for a gholdengo/kingambit or would that ruin teamcomp?

[proper yarrow]

Skarmory isn't a fit here

[thin bane]

word

[lethal token]

yeah

[thin bane]

what would a better dual screen HO team be within the format ?

[lethal token]

id go for 6x metronome pokemons cuz a bit of gamble is always cool to have

[thin bane]

im playing it for money so its gotta be the best team with whatever mons or anything that it can be

[lethal token]

https://pokepast.es/2e5dbf77d939d620

[lethal token]

currently 4wins 1loss

[proper yarrow]

Pls don't give such garbage advice

[lethal token]

shhhhh

[proper yarrow]

Maybe something like this?
https://pokepast.es/3914c0b5a530ff36

Msciz can be roost too if u like

[lethal token]

whats the reason for dragonium z?

(i rarely use z moves)

[proper yarrow]

Nukes scizor and dnite answers

While also being offensively threatening

Being the rocker for the team

Idk tho

[thin bane]

what about the stealth rock on garchomp is that too slow for that team ?

[proper yarrow]

If anything stealth Rock is very important for ho teams

[thin bane]

really ?

[proper yarrow]

Yes

[thin bane]

so id send out grim dual screens parting shot into the garchomp?

[proper yarrow]

That or you can lead garchomp too

Depending on the opps team

Sami is here bye

[thin bane]

why lead garchomp ?

[proper yarrow]

@next forge where did u go

[lethal token]

what yall think abt this? https://pokepast.es/55282a4bc460ef8a

very funny team to use

[proper yarrow]

My man just dipped

I thought he would give better advice than me

😔

[next forge]

i wouldnt use this either even if its an improvement
no gholdengo is mega sus and this team folds completely to stall

https://pokepast.es/d9a24ead8ca9880a
https://pokepast.es/6031fb53934a8135
https://pokepast.es/ab4292d8b5989858
https://pokepast.es/970dfac113660543
https://pokepast.es/9c064ba5208af691

ngl i just sent a bunch of screens teams cuz im assuming this is what yall r talking abt

[proper yarrow]

He wants serp volc and msci tho

[next forge]

thats a really ass core ngl

esp mzor

[thin bane]

i just want the best team i can make to be real

[proper yarrow]

Otherwise ofc ghold is the first non to use on ho

[thin bane]

idgaf about the core

thats what i have on hand

[proper yarrow]

Smh

Should've said so

[thin bane]

i have to catch the things im gonna use

[proper yarrow]

Well now I look like an idiot don't I

[next forge]

basically 0 defensive synergy and they all struggle against fire types

[proper yarrow]

Yes

[thin bane]

what team do you guys think would be good then in this format

[proper yarrow]

He just gave it to you

[thin bane]

word so any of those pastes

?

[next forge]

ye theyre fine to use

maybe the last 2 arent the greatest but they should be fine

methinks

at least regarding dual screens HO

[thin bane]

theres rules hold on

[proper yarrow]

That mgyara team looks very familiar

[next forge]

to what

[thin bane]

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[proper yarrow]

To something I made a few months ago

[next forge]

"arceus-zenith" ye these are pixelmon-esque rules

we dont use those

[proper yarrow]

Ofc it's HO so it's probably very easy to do

[thin bane]

yea thats what im on

[next forge]

!pixelmon

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[next forge]

for nationla dex ou ruleset

these teams are fine at least

[thin bane]

word ill run through them and try to get sum done

thanks guys super appreciated

[proper yarrow]

Anyways

https://pokepast.es/f5e2db80c29f4d98 @next forge wdyt

[next forge]

not a fan of ddance mttar but i think a bigger issue is that

team has no removal

[proper yarrow]

Of ye I keep forgetting to make zap defog

https://pokepast.es/1dff65705c48845a

This

[next forge]

i feel like u would be better off using regular mttar with stealth rock

and using sub swords dance chomp

ddance ttar asks for too much imo

and it still loses to stuff like zama and tusk

[proper yarrow]

Hm

I can do that

[next forge]

omg wait

drag z chomp + fini

thats anti synergy

............

[proper yarrow]

It's all planned

[next forge]

no

it doesnt work 💔

just go rockium z

if u have sub in front u beat tusk at +2 anyways

[proper yarrow]

Misty terrain and chomp are very rarely on the field together

[next forge]

i wouldnt bank on that

[proper yarrow]

Ok

https://pokepast.es/049b08cea2428277

[next forge]

acc ur wogerpon MU

is really mid

u could try chople ferro

[proper yarrow]

Zap+ferro+scarfer?

[next forge]

zap and ferro fold to +2

fini isnt strong enough to revenge kill reliably

[proper yarrow]

Aight

[next forge]

chople ferro lets u at least nuke it after superpower

[proper yarrow]

Ok

[next forge]

also helps a bit vs valiant

and zama

and shifu

[proper yarrow]

Aight tysm

[stark sorrel]

defog kartana?

lol

[uneven vigil]

didnt see you had removal

would be still nice though

[vale sinew]

https://pokepast.es/d233cecc3c6a9d82

[stark sorrel]

well my removal is terapagos who gon prob switch to landorous

but i also have a cinderace

i think defog kartana was the worst hazard removal option lol

[stark sorrel]

2 steel 3 fighting types

very weak to ground flying psychic and fairy

[proper yarrow]

It's a ho team

Not a very big issue

[vale sinew]

yeah HO eterrain team

[stark sorrel]

thats true

he doesnt have a ton of offensive coverage tho

[vale sinew]

what would you suggest then? i'd like to mostly keep the koko lucha core

[stark sorrel]

yeah koko lucha core is good

i js dont love dengo kingambit

[vale sinew]

yeah i put dengo in there because i had a huge weakness against fairy and then gambit is for pursuit trapping glowking

[stark sorrel]

yeah thats true

i cant wait for new mons cause rn there isnt a ton of offensive poisons

[vale sinew]

what new mons? from z-a?

[stark sorrel]

just new mons overall

but yeah

[vale sinew]

isnt it mostly just the same mons just new megas?

[stark sorrel]

im not sure

[vale sinew]

back to the team though, what would you replace dengo with

[stark sorrel]

but its megas for very underused tho which i like

[stark sorrel]

i think cinderace could be good

fairy resist

liberos always nice

scolipede mega gon be so sick

[vale sinew]

any others you'd suggest? i'd like to see my options

[stark sorrel]

i like ceruledge weak armor

[vale sinew]

alright

[stark sorrel]

iron moth is good for fairy resist

4x resist

but 4x weak to ground isnt great

[vale sinew]

yeah

my team already has 2 mons weak to ground

same with 3 weak to flying, psychic and fairy

[stark sorrel]

yeah

flying isnt so much of a weakness with dengo cause you got 3 resists n 3 weak

[vale sinew]

yeah

so you think that cinder and ceruledge synergize with this team?

[stark sorrel]

not really

i js think you need more offensive coverage

[thin bane]

https://pokepast.es/3a287b2397291c0b what do you guys think about this for showdown ladder?

[celest merlin]

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[thin bane]

its a dual screens HO team

[thin bane]

also thinking about switching the grimmsnarl and garchomp to tapu koko + hawlucha, which set would be better you guys think?

[thorny matrix]

https://pokepast.es/eebad6bb99a92bcc what improvments can be done to make this a competent team?

[celest merlin]

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[vale sinew]

https://pokepast.es/1aa2f1ce67de153d rmt

[celest merlin]

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[acoustic warren]

i personally would opt for modest valiant for the spA boost, it makes valiant a great wallbreaker and works better with vacuum wave. Plus u already have hawlucha as speed control

and mscizor

on an offensive terrain team, i'd opt for a speed booster iron treads? it probbaly more reliably spin because of it's speed tier rather than tusk

i assume u use ceruledge to beat bulky steels that stop ur fairies+mscizor

idk how much i like ceruldge with sash personally

also i'd run a little more speed on mscizor to hit around 200 ish or you can run max speed to make you outspeed stuff like gambit+raging bolt which is more standard for mscizor on offensive structures

also replace roost for close combat for heatrans and ferro

i'd personally like feedback! https://pokepast.es/bdc8fd6a89784608
i made a bulky hazard stack team if anyone can offer feedback!

[celest merlin]

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[acoustic warren]

the vision originally was to make a team with status spam for gholdengo to hex spam

gholdengo probably fits best on hazard stack teams, so i thought gliscor would be a natural partner with toxic and spikes

weavile also makes a lot of sense with it's strong knock off for boots, speed, and prior

i thought magic guard clefable would be a good addiiton next because i need a rocker and i wasn't planning on running removal

im pretty weak to stuff like melmetal and offensive mscizor so i thought a cool solution was a defensive volcarona who also spreads burns for ghold

ngl i just slapped latios on the team because i needed a breaker who offered defensive utility against zard Y and was hazards resistant

any feedback is appreciated, specifically feedback on my volcarona set would be nice since i could run bug buzz or fiery dance or EVs or feedback on maybe someone besides latios

[solid ruin]

why the heck is slowking-galar in NatDOU??

it doesnt look that crazy

[proper yarrow]

Why shouldn't it be 💀

[proper yarrow]

Fsight chilly reception good typing good spdef

What's not there to like

[solid ruin]

it just seemed like it didnt offer as much power as some of the other OU's

like the megas or paradox pokemon

[hollow fern]

It has some great utility and a strong defensive profile

Future Sight+Chilly is really strong

Especially since it has regen

[next forge]

Ye cuz its not an offensive mon

But this is not the place to be discussing stuff like this

Do it in #comp-general

[gritty thicket]

yeah this is fire

[next forge]

not the place for this go back to #comp-general

[stuck berry]

https://pokepast.es/5b0dc4a4b0691f32 (ndou8)

[stark sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/d8e550579f65c031

[celest merlin]

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[stark sorrel]

please just keep it on blaze lol

[gritty thicket]

THAT WOULD BE FUNNY.

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/d32bb154f2c0867f

[celest merlin]

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[stark sorrel]

black glasses is odd

i prefer scarf on samurott

[proper yarrow]

Black glasses isn't odd

But scarf might be better here for speed control

[stark sorrel]

honestly scarf samurott is just my goat

ceaseless edge is suck a stupid move

[neat torrent]

https://pokepast.es/88dc16932609531a

[celest merlin]

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[neat torrent]

Just because i love wooloo.

[potent furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/phone-looking-at-phone-emoji-looking-at-phone-emoji-tired-emoji-gif-10200176565617183029

this is unviable

there is not a way to save this

try samples

[neat torrent]

I know

[potent furnace]

then why are you posting the team here

[loud oyster]

https://pokepast.es/981f8a85af3c5106

havent really created too many nd teams which is why im posting here but i wanted to create something based on band weavile, how did i do?

[potent furnace]

loses to wellspring

try mega tios over mdia

melm also isn’t really doing much

try ferro because you don’t have any water resists

[loud oyster]

what is melm for in nd?

i originally had ferrothorn but i wanted to make my team less passive

[hollow fern]

Does pech deal with wellspring?

[potent furnace]

kinda?

it's a little hard pressed

[loud oyster]

im guessing not enough sufficiently by itself

like over time physical attackers overwhelm it

[potent furnace]

the larger issue is you have no water resists

so stuff like shifu just gets to click for free

i think you literally cant switch into a surging

[loud oyster]

^

[potent furnace]

extremely fat guy that's good into ho

it was really nice in moon meta because you just owned that guy but since it was recently banned it's fallen off

[loud oyster]

oof

[potent furnace]

it's not like terrible into wellspring but you're av which doesnt help the issue

[loud oyster]

yea i dont think ive played nd since moon ban

[potent furnace]

i think av is kinda dogwater anyways

toxtect is very aggrivating to deal with for teams though

[loud oyster]

so im not familiar

doesnt diancie help with hazard control tho?

for band weavile

[potent furnace]

weav + tusk is fine you just

can't touch mola

which is a Problem

[loud oyster]

oof

yea mola was annoying when i tested

mtios will surely help vs it

[potent furnace]

mega latios is just

really good

in general

[vague hemlock]

Anything with psynoise is good asw

[potent furnace]

ya

im a fan of ice beam mtios lately

since you just evaporate glisc

[loud oyster]

is standard purge aura mfire roost ok for my team?

im guessing yes since i already pressure scor with my squad

[potent furnace]

yeah

[loud oyster]

can i give molt roar over uturn

to annoy the sub sweepers i keep seeing in natdex

[vale sinew]

https://pokepast.es/5787c4507631fe56 rate the team

@limber crypt

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/52eaf523594fda18

[celest merlin]

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[celest merlin]

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[hybrid lotus]

https://pokepast.es/22d78d26ef3e29fe
@limber crypt

someone help rate my team pls

[warm vapor]

https://pokepast.es/fc40fbfd4ec2ed1f Mega TTAR BO

[celest merlin]

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[warm vapor]

I feel like the team itself is solid, but I’m having trouble with the sets

[potent furnace]

no water resist

[warm vapor]

Would Rilla not count?

Or is it unreliable

[potent furnace]

rilla is not a water resist

like it resists water but its not a defensive water resist

[warm vapor]

Ahh I see

Not even with a bulky set?

[warm vapor]

Also mb I just realized double SR

[warm vapor]

Would Alolamola fit on this team?

Maybe over Heatran since I have Ghold for my defensive steel type

Or over Ghold if that works

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[celest merlin]

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[rose granite]

https://pokepast.es/969be61b2471eb86

I want to replace especially the lead, the 5 others pokemons seems nice to use but mew as a lead doesn't work and idk what to use to suit with the rest of team

[gray lake]

Your lead on a team like this should generally be something that sets hazards, consider hamurott iron treads or lando-T

[gray lake]

Also koko should be a pivot set, it plays more of a supporting role here and without a z move you likely won’t do much with cm on a consistent basis

[rose granite]

oh ic

[gray lake]

The lack of a fire resist seems hard too, I’d replace one of your steels with something like dragonite

And lorb mixed ival is best on these teams bc it can switch moves and is hard to pivot around

[rose granite]

okay thanks you

[lunar merlin]

I'm pretty new to competitive pokemon but i'll give you some suggestions:

The set for Mew is perfectly fine; Only real suggestion i'd bring in is Replace scale shot for Stealth Rock or spikes. Other than that, I don't have any suggestions for it, really.

For Kingambit, Give it leftovers instead of Black Glasses since it is pretty slow and needs to heal often. His attack stat is crazy if set up right, But he can't take most hits

Great Tusk needs Stealth Rock instead of Bulk Up since his Attack/Defense stat are already high enough

Iron Valiant... Could be running Vacuum Wave instead of Focus Blast mainly because it goes first and usually deals with the steal weakness. Or you could run Both Vacuum Wave and Focus Blast on it if you want (Vacuum Wave if it is going to kill and Focus Blast if you get lucky with the 70% accuracy)

You don't have any physical/special walls. You could try a special wall, for example could be a Pokemon like Blissey (Who is usually at 252 HP EVs, 252 4 Atk EVs and 252 SpD EVs), or Water Absorb clodsire.

Is Mega Scizor a physical wall? I don't remember.

I'd bring in more but I think that's all i can say

[rose granite]

ooh okay thanks you

m-scizor is physical ye it has decent def too

[lunar merlin]

I'll count Mega-scizor as a physical wall then

[proper yarrow]

Oh no the mew set is not perfectly fine

They do not need any form of wall on hyper offense

[lunar merlin]

what should they replace then?

[lunar merlin]

Physical Wall Eviolite Chansey? weird.

I've always seen it as a Special wall

[proper yarrow]

Whatever sputnik said

[proper yarrow]

You do not want to take 50 from a uturn

By running max spdef

And similar such cases

[hollow fern]

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[gaunt dust]

https://pokepast.es/00986f2476659b2d

[celest merlin]

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[acoustic warren]

I made a natdex balance! https://pokepast.es/bbc3699a95afc34e
i wanted to use a zama + lele + ttar breaking core.
i am thinking about using lando over gliscor (i like gliscor's longevity however)

i would like thoughts

[acoustic warren]

my thoughts are the sash lead nihelego indicates a more offensive team but corviknight is better on more slower structures. I'd reccomend excadrill over corv because it's more offensive and has hazard control and works i great with ttar. i would also replace victini with maybe a z-celebrate set because choiced mons can lose u momentum on more offensive teams and also use mega ttar perhaps? i wouldn't use volt switch on a booster bolt cuz ur removing ur own boost, just go CM if ur gonna go booster

[gaunt dust]

Corv is my pivot when they use any earth move against my Wincon garg. Ttar is my special wall against tapu leve and gholdengo (other specials too obv)

[acoustic warren]

Well pivots are seen more on slower teams, it depends on whether u wanna make this more of a bulky balance or an offense

I thought u we’re building an offensive team

[gaunt dust]

I use it as a balanced offense not ho

I just love victini couldn't get rid of it

[acoustic warren]

I do still think excadrill fits better, you do need a ground type anyway

[gaunt dust]

I'll give it a try

What item should I use on rb

[acoustic warren]

Hm in my experience I rly like AV bolt

If u wanna make a balance

[gaunt dust]

Currently alo stall is in major use right. That's why I thought bolt would work. Draco is good and I needed a Taunt mon that people wouldn't expect to have it

[acoustic warren]

Well alo isn’t a stall mon it can be used on stall but it’s mostly used as a pivot which stall doesn’t use much I think

Bolt is good against alo until they switch into spdef gliscor

or spdef lando

[gaunt dust]

I was watching top ladder and they use it almost exclusively

[acoustic warren]

Rly, mb I just figured stall usually just hard switches

You don’t need pivots as much when all of ur mons are walls

[gaunt dust]

I guess to draw out a certain move I dunno

Stall ain't my thing

I just hate going against it

[acoustic warren]

I tried stall, I figured pex or dozo or both is better than Alo

[gaunt dust]

Bolt obliterates dozo. Hence the name lol

[acoustic warren]

Yeah but no dozo is staying in

[gaunt dust]

Q the Volt Switch

[acoustic warren]

They would probably switch in a ground

[gaunt dust]

It depends obviously if you know they have a ground or not

[acoustic warren]

volt switch is counterproductive with ur booster, I like AV bolt for my balance teams cuz Zard Y switch and I run Draco tclap thundebrolt vswitch

[acoustic warren]

90% of teams run a ground cuz volt switch and ground is good

[gaunt dust]

Yeah I figured as much I just couldn't think of a better item

[acoustic warren]

Gotcha

[gaunt dust]

What would excadril do better than corv tho

Eq kinda just melts my team

I get dmg and speed obv

[acoustic warren]

To be fair u are running 3 rock types

Like it’s harder to make a balance with 3 rock types

I could see a balance with a ttar excadrill cord

Core

But more ground types I’d go offense team

[gaunt dust]

Which is why I tested replacing Nihilego with urshifu

[acoustic warren]

to well Nihelego does smth completely different than Tahiti

Urshifu

One is a suicide lead as per ur set

The other is speed control assuming scarf and breaking

[gaunt dust]

I'll give excadrill a try and see if it works

I appreciate it

[acoustic warren]

ofc np

[rain locust]

Hi, I'd like your suggestions on this nat dex ou team I made. I'd like to keep Armarouge, not cus it's effective but cus it's the funniest shit out there.
https://pokepast.es/1ce11d0516bc24a4

[celest merlin]

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[candid stump]

https://pokepast.es/35c21f197d301eba anything u guys would change? any suggestions? Would offensive firium z heatran be better here?

[heavy shadow]

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[rain locust]

Okay, thank you so much :D

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/7c4cecdd3f5a53a4 Flames of Elixir made me this Lunatic's Workshop team, I wonder if it can be improved any further?

[celest merlin]

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[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/67ad7a7e26bd996e

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @potent furnace, @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent furnace]

loses to yard

way too sow

[proper yarrow]

Woger too

[hollow fern]

Gmax urshifu

[faint flower]

oh it wasnt meant to be gmax

https://pokepast.es/52749107f52dfbb3

[hollow fern]

Most of these sets aren't very good and the team doesn't have much direction overall or requirements like hazard control and hazards, I'd recommend using sample teams to get an understanding of natdex and how teams are

!samples

[celest merlin]

Whether you're new to a format or competitive Pokémon as a whole, sample teams provide a quick way to pick up a team and play. Sample teams are contributed by community members and have a proven track record of success on ladder or in tours. You can find sample teams for any given format using the /tier command.

If a user has recommended you use a sample team this is not meant as a slight. Creating a successful team can be incredibly difficult without metagame knowledge and experience playing; sample teams reduce the barrier to entry by letting you jump in and start gaining that knowledge.

National Dex Ubers (Gen 9)

• Sample Teams
• Teambuilding Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Good Cores
• Viability Rankings
• C&C Forum
• Discord

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[rose granite]

for volcarona u should remove air slash and use Quiver Dance it's good to use

meowscarada I run triple axel Play Rough Flower Trick and U-Turn

u need an entry hazards remover like Great Tusk or Excadrill

I love those two

[grim coral]

https://pokepast.es/c77bdefb1ca63817 um um

[celest merlin]

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[grim coral]

oh shit

[vague nexus]

is this team like overly vulnerable to anything or are there any small changes I should make to the sets

https://pokepast.es/ecbcfe2fc521cfe0

[wanton kernel]

https://pokepast.es/bec9240162cb1889
icl ts pmo

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wanton kernel]

honestly js wanted to use cb weavile and hamurott hazard stack

dont really know what im doing here

[wanton kernel]

https://pokepast.es/7ab96c4346e7e5f8
struggled with mega diancie

[celest merlin]

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[gloomy grail]

https://pokepast.es/e526abd04952ee3b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sick hill]

https://pokepast.es/f1ac3977933b588a

trying to build something good with drago

kinda folds into zard y

[proper yarrow]

feels odd

[gloomy grail]

Is there no rater for ND?

[slate willow]

https://pokepast.es/f67a7daa90aedcd2
I'm kinda just getting back into showdown and this is a team I made for nat dex. the goal is just to over power with mega lop and melmetal, idk how good it is and low ladder isn't really giving me a good answer, since im never really escaping low ladder

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

Hm since you just got back I recommend you try using our samples which just got updated. Unfortunately I’m not seeing any real cohesion with this team. You kinda get crushed by Gholdengo and you don’t have any flying type. Stuff like heatran gives you problems too.

[vague hemlock]

Yeah drago not making waves in a tier with clef lele fini Val

Unfortunately

[vague hemlock]

This actually don’t look to bad but I would fix some sets and items

For example Kingambit av is very dated just make it swords dance black glasses

Make koko boots or Z

Val can be specs or life orb

Drop boulder imo for something else an actual wall breaker probably like speed control alongside koko

Or maybe an actual flying type rather

[vague hemlock]

What is the goal of this team is this supposed to be semi sun or something

[dire drum]

https://pokepast.es/affc2446b5f4a4e0 im thinking of changing volt switch to u turn on koko but what else

[celest merlin]

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[wanton kernel]

Somewhat but I'm not really using it anymore

[limber crypt]

u can do that, but this also seems a bit pon weak so id recommend using electrium koko

[dire drum]

ok thanks

[vague hemlock]

Ah I see we are here to help if you need though

[gloomy grail]

My team is trying pure E Terrain Offense - which is why Boulder features and Koko has Extender
AV Gambit is because Lele removes E Terrain - and AV set can trap and trade with it (except for Fightinium Z sets)

[vague hemlock]

Boulder unfortunately isn’t really making waves in natdex you could use it but you’ll find it very underwhelming

The thing about av gambit is

It’s not good at trapping lele

It doesn’t really want to switch in especially on focus blast

Lele also seen a spike in Z and most are fightnium

I get the concept but in practice it will not work

[grim coral]

https://pokepast.es/0afb0beb291e24eb most basic sun team ever

[celest merlin]

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[grim coral]

err

is good?

[grim coral]

oh boi

[vague hemlock]

This actually looks solid

But

[grim coral]

no venu right

[vague hemlock]

No grass stab venu kinda

No venu is fine

[grim coral]

oh fr

[vague hemlock]

Just you need to pic between

[grim coral]

everyone tells me yard semi sun doesnt work with venu

[vague hemlock]

Sludge or ep

[grim coral]

val kinda an issue

on this team

right?

sludge bomb probably the play i think

[vague hemlock]

I guess maybe you do want torkoal for the longer sun turns

4 goes kinda fast

[grim coral]

yea

so switch yard for torkoal ig?

lowk wanted to use yard

sami told me i could try switching venu altogehter for kart but idk

[vague hemlock]

Torkoal + yard can still work

[grim coral]

torkoal yard infinite sun mania

[vague hemlock]

Drop hat for Torkoal

And then

[grim coral]

o yea and hazards srent that big at that point either cuz torkoal and tusk can both spin right

[vague hemlock]

Correct

[grim coral]

u big brain

i like that

[vague hemlock]

You prob want fire blast on yard

[grim coral]

over wball?

[vague hemlock]

I think it’s better these days

Ye

You also like

[grim coral]

rng gaming

lets go gambling

[vague hemlock]

2HKO ranging bolt

lol

[grim coral]

with fb?

[vague hemlock]

Well fire blast does like 45

[grim coral]

actually?

[vague hemlock]

Yeah

[grim coral]

i mean ssands 2hko anyway

unless its pivot mayb

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Scorching Sands vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Raging Bolt: 196-232 (50.1 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

oh its still a 2hko

[vague hemlock]

https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/

[grim coral]

only issue is u have to use it on the predict

fb does 44

[vague hemlock]

Also don’t get walled by uh

Bulletproof bs

Up to you though

I been liking blast lately

[grim coral]

weatherball gets walled by bulletproof

wtf

since when

[vague hemlock]

Yeah lol

Always

[grim coral]

ain no way

[vague hemlock]

I think Alomomola still works there

You will have to play carefully vs mega Latios though

You def want sludge > ep here imo

But you lose out on hitting ghold and tran

Sludge hits the dragons (dnite and lati)

[grim coral]

i see

yeah that makes sense

lati walls alot

ae

doesnt bolt hit dnite with dmeteor and kill tho

did latios spike in usage because of moon ban @vague hemlock

im curious now

i feel like i just wanna switch out venu at this point for kart because im not gonna be able to hit the dragons otherwise

😭

[vague hemlock]

Does but the issue is answering it defensively

Venu can be sketch these days yea

[grim coral]

might just

switch it for the safer option in kart then

unless theres ab etter one, idk

[vague hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/9f545d6c28ed65ce

Here is a semi sun

I made a month ago

Has kart too

[vague hemlock]

Can try it kart does also function as a fogger for stuff too like my team above

I opted to forgo hazards on this team

Just decided to do double removal

[grim coral]

mm fair

yea im just gonna go kart then

ty for the help wildfire

[proper yarrow]

This looks very similar to mine https://pokepast.es/a8fcbb71f0fbefe8

Goat

[grim coral]

one mon diff

jek

[vague hemlock]

Anytime brother imma be here if anything

[grim coral]

👍

[vague hemlock]

Lmaoo same thought process

[grim coral]

isnt this more gen 8

val kinda eats u alive no?

[small imp]

Yeah there was a known team with different sets but the same six back in gen 8. It was in samples at one point i think

Nvm its the exact same team

With the same sets and all

[hollow fern]

The sample team I'm assuming didnt have a serious nature lando that was missing 4 evs tho

[latent lark]

How would you make it more gen 9 is what I wanna know

What's like a good special attacker for the tier

[gloomy grail]

Boost H-Samurott over Greninja
Protean is mid now - plus Spikes are good - and while Greninja provides speed control, you already have M-Lopunny for it

[wispy flax]

https://pokepast.es/832fc6558ba28f9c
This is a natdex OU team I reached 1650s with

[celest merlin]

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[gloomy grail]

I think first thing raters will tell you is that Mega Gardevior is outclassed at everything by Tapu Lele

While I am not a rater, I think you lack speed control beyond priority (which is blocked in ND easily)

Not sure AV Bolt is a good set outside doubles

What's that Kingambit spread for btw?

[vague hemlock]

Mega gard is fine I’m just not understanding the double av

Av gambit is also like an old outdated set

Cm terap don’t really fit here imo

You also just fold to stuff like koko

[gloomy grail]

Is it?

What does it do better than Lele?

[vague hemlock]

Yeah it’s ranked

Faster and have trace can be useful but I rather use taunt if I use it

[grim coral]

@vague hemlock tryna rate my kyu team?

https://pokepast.es/1edc46fd526d9c85

[vague hemlock]

Looks like an SV ou team

[grim coral]

kek

[vague hemlock]

I think Slowking Galar and future sight is better

[grim coral]

instead of pex?

[vague hemlock]

yes

[grim coral]

fair

[vague hemlock]

Zama can be boots but you can keep band if you want

That Kyu set is also too weak

Do groundium Z

[grim coral]

ground z kyurem set

crayz

[vague hemlock]

It’s actually more common now

[grim coral]

kyurem gonna be touched by rocks

😭

[vague hemlock]

We just do better removal

Like Zapdos

The steel can be ferro > corv

[grim coral]

zap also gets touched by the rocks tm

[vague hemlock]

Boots

[grim coral]

fair

so corv to zap, kyu to groundium and pex to glowking?

[vague hemlock]

Yes

[grim coral]

oik

[vague hemlock]

Ferro > weez

[grim coral]

NOOO

MY WEEZ]

[vague hemlock]

lol

[wispy flax]

I might be highly obsessed with AVs

[grim coral]

IM KEEPING THE WEEZ 💔

[vague hemlock]

Yeah then spikes users rip your heart out 😭

[wispy flax]

I have reached 1650s with a team with 4 AVs btw

[grim coral]

nuh uh

fake

[wispy flax]

It's not fake

[grim coral]

fake

[vague hemlock]

Yeah it’s doable this ladder is funky anyway

[grim coral]

i reFuse to get rid of the weez

its CHEWSday

i cant get rido f the weez on a CHEWSday

[vague hemlock]

You can keep it if you want it was just a suggestion after all just test it on ladder and see how it does I guess

[grim coral]

sobg

ok ty for help wildfire

[next forge]

team needs fsight ye but u need pex

otherwise rain and even waterpon just run u over

[grim coral]

me bombo

sami wat do i do then

@next forge should i just replace weez for pex

[vague hemlock]

You need a water resist

That’s why suggested ferro

[grim coral]

argh

but doesnt ferro also get eaten by waterpon superpower

[vague hemlock]

Np

[next forge]

https://pokepast.es/c5164436b3e5035f

maybe idfk

[grim coral]

IS THA T A NORMAL SLOWKING!

[next forge]

ngl its hard building these slower teams

ye

[vague hemlock]

^

That’s why you see slower teams started using torn more

[grim coral]

lorb zama

thinking emoji

[next forge]

better than banded ngl

maybe expert belt is better idk

[grim coral]

expert belt prob

[vague hemlock]

Yeah

Belt is better

[grim coral]

zama no appreciate taking chip

[vague hemlock]

Boots is for longevity

Which is why

It’s the first option

Usually

[grim coral]

im like 50/50 on whether woger still eats this team alive

lmao

[next forge]

252 Atk Life Orb Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 278-329 (92.3 - 109.3%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

[grim coral]

flip a coin

[next forge]

rocks

[grim coral]

what abt band

[next forge]

252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 322-379 (106.9 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[grim coral]

252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 322-379 (106.9 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

aw he stole my calc

raah

why is ghodl there

fighting immune?

[next forge]

steel

helps a bit vs zama

[grim coral]

ah

oh yeah zama lowk eats alot of this team

hmmmm

this works i think

ok thxchat

[proper yarrow]

Another sami team without a ground immunity

[vague hemlock]

💀

[alpine violet]

https://pokepast.es/c5fbef83a6a005e1

Mlop BO

Been tweaking this team for a while now, feels like I have tools to take on most teams, though some mus are still difficult. Thoughts for optimizations?

[celest merlin]

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[proper yarrow]

Chomp>bolt?

Maybe

[alpine violet]

I see the reasoning, I think I had chomp on the team at some point, but I feel like the pivot potential is more valuable. It also checks zard y a little better

I could see lando, but thats giving up a lot of power

[limber crypt]

theres some weird sets here, id go with hdb pivot bolt with tbolt > dtail, tox > protect tran, knock > pursuit gambit, and drop zapdos for tornadus-t (any set works, but i think heb defog is deal, this gives u another out vs waterpin too)

[proper yarrow]

Oh yea i forgot about waterpon 💀

My bad

[alpine violet]

I have a habit of building teams weak to that…

[proper yarrow]

Bolt and torn should be enough

[alpine violet]

Does u turn, bleakwind, fog, icy wind make sense for torn? I’ll add knock on gambit, I’m just still scared of scor

If I go knock it’ll probably just sit on me as I try to fog

[proper yarrow]

Bleakwind uturn knock defog

[wanton kernel]

https://pokepast.es/66c87aa2345216a0 can i get some help here

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

Why is this double scarf

Drop kart for an actual steel/water resist for ferro

Make lele a Z future sight variant so this actually has a chance of breaking fat

Tapu Lele @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Timid Nature

• Moonblast
• Focus Blast
• Psychic
• Future sight

Shifu needs jet otherwise you just lose to volc

Make Lando max defense lefties with defog

[proper yarrow]

Ye fsight lele

Fsight+shifu the best combination in the game

[iron tangle]

https://pokepast.es/ebc7e080dced0efa

How’s this

[proper yarrow]

Rocks fog lando is eh

[vague hemlock]

His ttar is rocks already

It will be defog toxic

[proper yarrow]

I'm talking about the paste above

[vague hemlock]

Oh my bad

[proper yarrow]

All good

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/c27ee9cdde1dfaa0 elixir made this for me, how do I fix latios/tran/chomp/zap mus

[celest merlin]

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[wispy flax]

I am not a rater myself but how does balance function without pivots?

[hard creek]

these r several here

[gritty thicket]

Hi! I want to use Galarian-Zapdos, and I don’t know what I should make my last team member…

I also don’t know if my core is strong enough. Please help!

https://pokepast.es/b546ab506162c022

[celest merlin]

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[gritty thicket]

I’d like to keep Zapdos, obvi, but I’m fine moving other pokes around.

[gritty thicket]

It’s Chewsday, innit?

[teal hound]

https://pokepast.es/bbc066597919b475

Chat gpt made this team for mega scizor, is there anything i should change? I have like a 50/50 win rate w/ this, keep getting walled by CM iron crown and Z-move kommo-o

[gritty thicket]

“Chat gpt”-

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[teal hound]

😭🙏

[gritty thicket]

Looks like a gen 7 team.

[teal hound]

Obviously not all my teams are gpt, just dk how to build one around Mscizor and was seeing if it was on to aomething

[teal hound]

Noticed that too, nothing new

[gritty thicket]

I’m not the best either, but I do like sticking to originality.

[teal hound]

Fair, im ok id say but i get caught up in typings rather than like wall breakers or pivoters, im also super biased to certain mons 😭

[gritty thicket]

5 pivot moves my beloved.

[teal hound]

🥀

[gritty thicket]

U TURN, PARTING SHOT, VOLT SWITCH, FLIP TURN.

TELEPORT!

[hollow fern]

rotom serp scarf lati in the big 25 💔

[teal hound]

Shoulda known it would make a gen 7 team, it tried giving latios healing wish and keeps trying to add dragapult 😭

[gritty thicket]

He did say it was made by GPT.

[teal hound]

Thats what im saying idk how to change it bc im so used to those 3 by now

If I was gonna make a team around mscizor wtf would i make this is all i got 😭

[hollow fern]

did u specify gen 9 natdex?

[teal hound]

No…

[hollow fern]

lol it prob made like a gen 6 team

[teal hound]

I said national dex on showdown. But it keeps trying to add dragapult so i assumed it knew

But dragapult is ubers so here we are 😭

[hollow fern]

lol yeah gpt is very very bad at making pokemon teams

it also just slaps on evs randomly from what ive seen

[teal hound]

Good to know

Who would I go to for team building/ at least advice?

[hollow fern]

i remember once out of curiosity i asked it for a team and it put a random amount of spdef into corv and claimed it was for pult shadow ball so i went and calced and it just lied lmao

[hollow fern]

the discord of the tier you want a team for

pinkacross is a youtuber who makes helpful general team building vids as well

and does streams where you can watch the procress

hes been doing natdex recently

but yeah the natdex discord would prob be the place to ask for advice

[teal hound]

Id just look that up im assuming unless theres a link here somewhere?

[hollow fern]

https://discord.gg/3txES49g

here you go

[teal hound]

Oh awesome thanks

[hollow fern]

the link can be found on showdown btw, after selecting the format itll be under sample teams

yeah np

[latent lark]

Huh.... I mean heatran was really the only solid thing on there imo

[proper yarrow]

Team has negative breaking potential beyond serp

[reef knoll]

https://pokepast.es/a500c4cc542a3287 Any thoughts on fitting removal onto this

[celest merlin]

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[limber crypt]

maybe a different ground over gliscor and tornadus over glowking could get you fog, tankchomp could be nice, would also do hdb zama and consider shoeing up the waterpon mu (not rly sure how tho)

[reef knoll]

yea if its sd knock i just quit

is defog torn still a thing

i feel like knock uturn really wants bleakwind and like heat wave or taunt

especially into like sd scizor or smthn

[limber crypt]

yep

could try zapdos, its a very short term pon check as well

[reef knoll]

zap chomp and boots zama?

[limber crypt]

ye

[reef knoll]

aight ty

[zealous epoch]

https://pokepast.es/9314598558c9c68b
im trying to find the 6th mon to fit this team but nothing is working

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

Idk this team kinda random like these are all perfectly viable mons but I do not see any cohesion here everything seems mashed together so to speak.

Would mind telling me what type of team structure you were going for (also what Mon you were building around?)

[next forge]

Koko shfu and bulky zardx is a decent offense trio but corv + pex are just too slow to really benefit with them

Also u have no hazards or hazard removal alongside no ground type (opposing koko = nightmare?)

[vague hemlock]

Yep

[zealous epoch]

I mean i just whipped something together because I was bored

No thoughts in my head

[vague hemlock]

Yeah in order to get a proper rate you want need know the intent behind the build otherwise we are just building for you rather than making revisions which is the point of this thread.

[zealous epoch]

Thats fair

[vague hemlock]

Yeah but once you know I’ll be happy to help!

[zealous epoch]

I was trying to make it more of like half offense

With some defense

[vague hemlock]

Bulky offense

[zealous epoch]

Corvi just fit in really well because I struggled with shell smash cloyster and some faster mons

[vague hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/44dbc30cd5b34b0e here is an example of a bulky offense

I made this several weeks ago

https://pokepast.es/eaf3bd19ac9d18d3 a friends team but this is an example of a balance team even more defensive but is not stall

[zealous epoch]

Im trying to go for a bit more offense

But not hyper offense

[vague hemlock]

Yeah see the thing is if you go for more offensive structures you won’t really run defensive mons like pex or corv since they sap offense teams of their momentum

[zealous epoch]

Thats fair

[vague hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/9a6c54574c130cf2 example of hyper offense

[zealous epoch]

But when I don't have an answer to a mon I find that they are good for pivots

[vague hemlock]

Yeah you play really aggressively in some cases risky with hyper offense

[zealous epoch]

Yea

[vague hemlock]

You don’t reply on any defensive pivots really when using teams like those

[zealous epoch]

Im trying to mitigate part of that riskiness while still having some good offensive mons

[vague hemlock]

Ya it takes time though

Anyways if you have any questions regard team structure feel free to ask me in #comp-general

For rating teams just ping me here

🫡

[zealous epoch]

I feel like my idea is working but I just can't find the 6th piece of the puzzle

Thats all I needed help on

[vague hemlock]

When you know what Mon you are building around and what actual structure you are going for ping me. As of right now I can’t really give you a definitive answer.

[zealous epoch]

Alr

[hollow fern]

genuine question about this team is it fine being so slow? or would it benefit from having speed control somewhere

[vague hemlock]

It’s a bit slow but it can still function as it’s a balance team and many of the mons pivot into faster threats

[hollow fern]

Alr

[proper yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/0b14cbdfb0f92d43

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Maybe I'd like to fit and actual ice resist somewhere

[wanton kernel]

https://pokepast.es/ec3022d72f200985
want to use mlati, how can i improve this further so its at its best

[warm maple]

https://pokepast.es/7796c9feec8586f9
Built around banded Arcanine-Hisui mainly. This team struggles a lot against sub setup users like volcarona, dragonite, gyarados, etc and especially the freeze dry/earth power/ sub kyurem set. Also noticed it struggles against swords dance users like ogerpon and mawile but they can be managed sometimes. Any tips on how to improve the team? Latias is the main one I’m iffy about because it doesn’t have much coverage but it does its job when needed. Latias mainly to check Charizard Y and defog, but the defog hasn’t been very reliable, causing hazards to be a bit of an issue as well. Currently stuck around 1600 elo with this team.

[wispy flax]

I am not a rater but a solution could be using scarf on arcanine and using a spdef flip turn breaker latios instead of latias

Here is my version of H-arcanine

It is all just theory yet though

Haven't tried it yet

[warm maple]

oh alright, I'll try it out thanks

[fair stone]

Hey, i've started build a team, can i have some advice ? i cant find a 6th pokemon, i think i miss one knock user since stealth rocks and spikes are my wincond, or maybe a poison pokemon for toxic spikes ? or maybe a different offensive core

https://pokepast.es/d58a0056dda33782

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fair stone]

maybe double steel is weid and moltres is better than corvi

or darkrai over gholdengo

was thinking that offensive great tusk can be a thing, rapid spin user + knock off then stabbs

[serene hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/7f91170f5fcfba1a

yo can anyone help me rate this and lmk what they think or what could be done to make the team better

[vague hemlock]

I’ll get these rates later if no one else does 🫡

[naive anchor]

@keen tiger please do not spam commands, especially in the RMT channels

[serene hemlock]

Alrighty thanks

[vague hemlock]

Ice moves from who

Slowking checks most Kyu sets

And zama + ferro means Weavile will have a tough time

Also SD chomp is more of an HO fwiw

[vague hemlock]

Concerned about stuff like koko and also Kyurem

I don’t think Samurott is needed

An actual steel type like corv would be good as it can help support av prim in the longevity department and you actually check stuff like lele with it

I’d say drop sam for that

Val is also awkward speed control like Koko would probably be better and fit more in line with the volt turn structure you have going

[vague hemlock]

Yeah I hate to break it to you but arc not making waves in this format I see you are going for a balance this Mon would not function in anyway

It’s role is outclassed by zard X

[vague hemlock]

We don’t really rate incomplete teams but I will say you need something fast and also something with ice coverage tbh

[vague hemlock]

Tusk should be bulk up

Idk if I like moth here but otherwise this is pretty fine

[proper yarrow]

Yes but I have had success with using dice chomp on bo before and it's not the most out of place thing in the world imo

Iirc there's a bo samples with it as well

[wanton kernel]

yes i dropped sam later i just wasnt sure what to use

[wanton kernel]

yeah i also did this

thanks

[wispy flax]

Hey I tried out the team in practice and it got me to 1623 just now

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2414427674-85u199ipvhsxwdajry3wt4fm3gkw22dpw
Here is a replay. Has to make a lot of doubles

[wispy flax]

I am not a rater but I wander around 1600s and a bit of a pokemon tutor.
I would say if you replace your spiker with smth like gliscor, and replace corvy with smth else we can use kingambit

[fair stone]

https://pokepast.es/f815b939a60faf55

iv'e built this, if ogerpon is ban

i think that i've not a good speed control :/

[wispy flax]

No hazard control either g

[wispy flax]

No hazard control and no speed control. Combines to struggle against both offensive and defensive builds.

Here's my build(just theory for now)

Though my build might struggle against kingambit

[fair stone]

you are very weak volcarona, mega mawile too

and lopunny too

[wispy flax]

You are right

I am a bit bad at building hazard stacks.🙃

[fair stone]

just the meta i guess

[haughty river]

i wasnt able to get all of it so the moves for kingambit are sucker punch, KowTow cleave, iron head, and sword's dance. for ceruledge, Swords Dance, Bitter Blade, Shadow Sneak, Poltergeist.

[hollow fern]

You should share teams with pokepaste

[haughty river]

ok

https://pokepast.es/0c07f417978fefc8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[haughty river]

hello?

[limber crypt]

hi, this team is going to struggle with alot of stuff, aggron and bisharp arent really viable and the rest of the team lacks cohesion (three steels and a ceruledge is just asking to be nuked by earthquake), id recommend looking at a sample team to get a better sense of whats viable at the moment

[haughty river]

i use Aggron just 'cuz of its filter ability and stealth rock. any ideas on what i should change?

prob melmetal im guessing

[limber crypt]

id keep one of melm or gambit if anything, drop ceru and aggron imo

if i were to make changes i think id basically have to scrap the whole team outside of one or two mons

which is why im recommending a sample

[haughty river]

ok, should i keep ursaluna?

[proper yarrow]

Drop everything for a sample team

[haughty river]

ok

[zinc sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/5d67a8a1e9cffd85 Hey, here is a rain team featuring Mega Swampert. How good is it, and do I need to make some changes?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mystic helm]

https://pokepast.es/02353d0b75bf8151 can some1 help me identify what is my team weak to/how to improve it. I am pretty new to competitive

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

This ain't it I'm afraid

[hollow fern]

You should share with pokepaste

[proper yarrow]

Remove barreskewda for iron treads and make raging bolt a zapdos maybe

[hollow fern]

https://pokepast.es/01e0cc6c28f470a8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fern]

@limber crypt

[limber crypt]

not a big fan of treads and ttar here, i think ting > ttar and ghold > treads might be the play but im not 100% sure

[hollow fern]

Mainly just chose treads to deal with koko and bolt reliably since pon and torn let them in

Is the team fine into koko tho?

Also with the changes I'm assuming I go defog on torn?

[limber crypt]

yep, and with thing te koko mu is fine as well

[hollow fern]

Alr

Are yard/heatran problematic?

[limber crypt]

yard prob but u can revenge kill, tran doesnt get alot of opportunities except against torn

[hollow fern]

Ok

https://pokepast.es/e8940f574084326f
So itd look like this?

[limber crypt]

yep

[hollow fern]

Alr thx

[gritty dove]

https://pokepast.es/3c083631426d0fc3

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty dove]

I really need help here

I need a team for a tournament but I don't wanna use a sample team (feels like cheating)

so far I seem to be weak to zapdos

I also don't have any pivots

[gritty dove]

@limber crypt

[limber crypt]

u dont have to feel this way tbh, samples are meant to help you get a sense of the meta, asking for advice is cheating ny similar logic

as for the team itself, it looks like you wsnt to go in an ho direction, but ferro and fini kinda prevent that, i think the simplest answer is waterpon > fini and dengo > ferro

subendeavor mdia over one of those two is a nice option as well over one of the two

[gritty dove]

I'll try that over ghol

thanks a lot

[gritty dove]

I meant like using a sample team in order to win a tournament
imo it's kinda like tracing art in order to have a product to sell
it just doesn't feel right

while with advice it's just taking in consideration what someone else told in order to adjust something you made

[wanton kernel]

https://pokepast.es/9efa63bc9fb6942b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wanton kernel]

i think you get the idea

[wanton kernel]

i changed some things

i have av alom and corv instead of heatran but koko looks like a problem especially if lando is dead

need to fix this

[zinc sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/90c14d1c59c6ccb9 this team is focused around Mega Gardevoir. Is there anything I need to do to improve it? The main thing that worries me is the overall shared weakness to fire types

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

Mega cooked by yard

[dreamy hearth]

https://pokepast.es/895485bdf4c49974
Thoughts?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

triple steel isnt ideal def would consider dropping corv for torn and one of ghold or gambit for some offensive dragon to soft check yard and pon (maybe bolt)

[limber crypt]

i think u should refer to samples, scrafty reg latios and mbane arent viable and most of these arent too effective, samples will give you a better idea of what is viable and what setd to run

[dreamy hearth]

O shi wait that's the wrong team

[zinc sparrow]

ok, of gold or gambit, who would you choose to replace?

[gloomy grail]

Triple Steel has been fine in a lot of metas tbh

But yeah not on that team

They have 0 SpDef

Lele just needs minor chip on Corv to wallbreak that team

[zinc sparrow]

im probably going to replace gambit since it and raging bolt share a sucker-punch move

[gloomy grail]

Since Gold isn't SpDef

[limber crypt]

going off the idea that its bolt, probably gambit since the team doesnt need double prio and ghold is just generally very good, could consider mixing who gets the z in that case tho

[zinc sparrow]

that is what I thought

[zinc sparrow]

ok, how does it look now?

https://pokepast.es/641d39f9da935c63

[gloomy grail]

Ghold should be SpDef no?
Else Lele and Kyurem eat this team

[zinc sparrow]

hmmm, I pulled the builds of of the smogon strat pokedex, let me see if there is a more bulky set for him

ok here: https://pokepast.es/43ac5d6752a5b065

[gloomy grail]

2nd and 3rd sets are defensive

[zinc sparrow]

ok, I did the second one. how does it look now?

[gloomy grail]

Looks good I think

Would have liked a slow pivot here coz Gardevoir can't switch into anything
But I think Torn can switch into a lot and bring it in safely
Idk if pivot Bolt is a thing in NatDex, but I'll leave that to raters

Or maybe Lando over Tusk?
Eh, I think I am nitpicking

Let's wait for rater

[limber crypt]

ye prob

[zinc sparrow]

well, did you see my updated team above?

[limber crypt]

ye i did just make ghold spdef and itll be good

[wanton kernel]

can i get some help here if possible

[zinc sparrow]

k

https://pokepast.es/cb78637cb7074ec9 like this right?

or do I need to invest more into spdef?

[azure patrol]

https://pokepast.es/8790354dd18fd817

Suggest me Tornadus alternatives for this team and other general improvements

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper yarrow]

make torn a iron treads, make zapdos thunder and weather ball

and maybe like manaphy/ferrothorn over tapu koko

[azure patrol]

was using tapu as a secondary rain setter

[gloomy grail]

Pelipper is enough if you have a rapid spinner like Treads

[hollow fern]

The link is expired, u should share the team with pokepaste

[fickle eagle]

https://pokepast.es/e4833d17575eedc7 what can I improve?

[hollow fern]

The team is very weak to opposing hazards and also doesn't have any of its own

[proper yarrow]

also gyara set is uh

idk

[hollow fern]

Uturn+bulk up on corv is pretty weird as well

Btw lele is missing 4 evs

[proper yarrow]

eh

[jaunty ivy]

https://pokepast.es/96c501bff371e028 need some help and tips

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jaunty ivy]

scizor is defog instead of sd

[humble walrus]

Someone rate my team :D https://pokepast.es/14224ec97dc9bcfe

[sly tulip]

https://pokepast.es/53f302fc78cae385

What can i replace zamazenta for

@limber crypt

[hollow fern]

U should share with pokepaste

[sour birch]

How do you do tha

Does the image not appear or something?

[hollow fern]

it does but its a lot easier to view teams/share them with pokepaste

its at the bottom of the teambuilder

it says upload to pokepaste

[sour birch]

Oh ok!

[hollow fern]

then u can copy and paste the link

[sour birch]

https://pokepast.es/d38f414147ccadb9

But yeah my team is not good lmao

There's something there

[hollow fern]

lol yeah id recommend using samples to learn

[sour birch]

But I'm kind of new and struggling to know what does what and what I can use

There so many options

[hollow fern]

mm hm it can be a lot

sample teams and viability rankings can help a lot with teambuilding

to see whats good and whats not

[sour birch]

Kk!

Thanks

[hollow fern]

np

[dreamy hearth]

https://pokepast.es/6ab95977f2ebf3e5
Doubles for nat dex btw

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty dove]

https://pokepast.es/ae004bbabd7cab3b

I'm not exactly sure if I'm playing wrong or if my mons are just weird

I had mega tyranitar before but I removed it since I needed a trap remover and Terapagos + Tyranitar doesn't make sense

I also had Zapdos but I really needed a ground type

@limber crypt

[proper yarrow]

This honestly looks good

Idk tho

Very weak to ogerpon tho