NatDex OU Rates

[vague hemlock]

What’s the main idea behind the team faya

[nocturne willow]

nah dude i tried to ladder with chinese stall today and lost two games to hyper offense

[quaint adder]

Wait why are they not viable then

[nocturne willow]

"man mega lopunny offense would be cool i think"

[quaint adder]

• define viable

[vague hemlock]

They are basically terrible

[nocturne willow]

and then specs crown is my poor mans darkrai

[quaint adder]

ah

Nothing more to it than that?

[nocturne willow]

raging bolt for a breaker + waterpon check, lando as the phys def mon + rocker + defogger, gking pivot, hamurott for spikes

[vague hemlock]

Good mons perform well in the tier vs other ou caliber mons

They also provide something of value

[nocturne willow]

i mean we can get into like a paragraph long list of why exactly hoopa unbound is the worst pokemon to ever grace natdex ou but we dont have the time so

[quaint adder]

im gonna look that up :0

[nocturne willow]

anyways wildfire please rip this team apart thanks

[quaint adder]

oo yknow what what do you guys recommend i put instead of hoopa

i just picked it for 170 spa stat

xurkitree looks fun

[nocturne willow]

you seem new to the tier so i would recommend laddering with thes ample teams for a bit to first gain an understanding of the metagame

its a lot easier to build viable teams if you understand the meta

[feral canopy]

unless ur team is grimmsnarl haxorus maranga berry garg ho

ull be fine big dawg

[nocturne willow]

i dont even know if ill be playing for ndou

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quaint adder]

oki

[vague hemlock]

1. Ok so in my opinion I’d probably pick between slowking g or av iron crown here with volt + fs you want a lele check so I think that crown is good here.

2. Drop gking for volt fog zap because rocks fog is not great.

3. You could just let lando be rocks run 144 speed evs to outspeed modest tran but you could run just 132 to outspeed bolt.

@nocturne willow

Other than that it’s probably fine

[nocturne willow]

cool

signed up for a room tournament with the unedited team so ill probably find some more stuff wrong with it

[vague hemlock]

Building and battling is the best teacher

So gl brother

I’m here if anything

[solar valley]

https://pokepast.es/05bd82056b43d125

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lament mountain]

https://pokepast.es/8443825e9c5a4028
I just wanted to use zeraora so I made this team, how is it? Anything I should add or replace?

[plush lintel]

does anyone have nd teambuilding guide or smth

https://pokepast.es/a7a65584289b6dbd

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

thoughts?

[cerulean karma]

dont like how Vile freely spams Taxel vs this

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stealth rock defog lando 👎

[plush lintel]

hmmm tru true

what do i change

[plush lintel]

isnt that what it runs? my favourite is scarf but this isnt too bad either

[next forge]

no

[plush lintel]

what does it run

[next forge]

either stealth rock or defog

[plush lintel]

toxic things?

[next forge]

u cant have both

[plush lintel]

why not

[next forge]

cuz ur better off having

taunt or toxic

than both rocks and defog

also ur getting rid of ur own hazards

[plush lintel]

what do you recommend i change

[plush lintel]

doesnt bother me in the least tbh if they get up some annoying ahh shit like webs i couldnt be happier fogging my rocks if i get those webs off, just me tho

[next forge]

scarf lele over AV and replace kartana with smth like serperior (if u wanna keep a grass type)

also u couldve just given scarf kartana defog

instead of using it on lando

[plush lintel]

needed a steel type, and i read in analysis that stuff like kart helps clean while medicham breaks

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kart is a fake steel

[plush lintel]

why

[next forge]

smart strike sucks and its spdef

is horrible

which is what steels are good for

against lele

[plush lintel]

... true lmfao

[next forge]

u could use heatran

or ferroo

[plush lintel]

ill try tran

i guess

dont i need a cleaner now tho

or will scarf lele do that

i guess tran also solves the vile problem ndshillaccount was talking about

https://pokepast.es/ba00cc4f20cb0c6c

better?

[vague hemlock]

You want more pivots for medi

Koko > lele and crown > tran

Av future sight crown

Run rocks > on lando

Idt bolt is needed here

Make it scarf fog kart

That way you have emergency removal if anything

Nevermelt ice but no ice beam? Drop Draco

[plush lintel]

ok

[plush lintel]

bolt?

u mean gouging perhaps?

also which koko set

[vague hemlock]

I didn’t think raging bolt was needed personally

You can do elec z pivot set

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/12a6945ecc06d0a7
better?

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

Ye much better

Hf

Fix lando spread to 144 speed evs for heatran and change it to tera water

@plush lintel

[plush lintel]

okay thanks

tysm

[vague hemlock]

@plush lintel If crown doesn’t work for you there is one more pivot you can try that resist fairy

Try slowking galar

[plush lintel]

will that be good for my team tho i wonder

yeah i think that would be good

icl

[vague hemlock]

Medi enjoys pivots and it likes future sight

[plush lintel]

ive done 2 games and crown barely does stuff

[lament jetty]

How high on the ladder are you?

Crown usually pivots into stuff with the defensive typing

Like kyurem

Iron valiant

Diancie-Mega

Etc

[slow mist]

https://pokepast.es/904017a7fe582f31 gen 8 national dex What do you suggest doing? sun team

[vague hemlock]

Hi I would

1. Drop clef for another form of removal probly Defog landorus.

2. Make victini band with vcreate, bolt strike, Uturn and zen headbutt.

3. I would also drop volcarona from some speed control (scarf tapu lele) outside of sun and to help vs mega latias.

[honest shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/03986b83584db03d

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

I’m not gonna lie to you this isn’t really salvageable only since I would have to change about half of the team. Only three mons here are actually viable if you are looking to run a hazard HO

https://pokepast.es/dd1d0f6623631ae7

The above is a good example of how it would look. Moth wouldn’t really go here either since I would recommend running it with koko to utilize its full potential. (It’s just also not threatening enough without it and takes a bit too long to get going.)

I would check the viability rankings for Natdex as well

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-viability-rankings.3714511/

[plush lintel]

1400

[honest shuttle]

I fought you before

The name of the pokemons...

You have a custom avatar...

Of the girl I remember has a white and blue color

[honest shuttle]

Well if I go with Koko I instantly die to things like Corviknight if Koko is dead

And here's the thing

There's better options like specs timid Jolteon or Specs timid Zeraora

These two helps me with my electric weakness

Although idk how to help my team get better

That team consists of mostly my favorite pokemons...

[feral canopy]

This might help u but

dont let koko die

i think that solves all ur problems here

[feral canopy]

these are awful options that are garbage compared to koko lol

also there is literally a moth to hit corv

idk wat ur talking abt

[vague hemlock]

was using it as an example this team should be scrapped being honest.

[honest shuttle]

This made me hit 1455 rank

This is good enough I just wanna make it better...

I mean looking at the team it looks bad...

I'm just good at predicting and I have a great IQ when it comes to pokemon battles-

And wildfire aren't you gonna answer my question??? Are you that person I battled who have a custom avatar???

It's a girl mostly white with some blue

I was the one who have a mega altaira and a Frostlass

[vague hemlock]

If I have to change half the team or more it’s not salvageable and I’m essentially building and not editing your team. Which is why I made the statement it wouldn’t really be your team.

[honest shuttle]

Wildfire

[honest shuttle]

I just want advice on how to make it better 😭

[vague hemlock]

Probably I seeen you but my avatar isn’t a custom also read above

[honest shuttle]

MegaMeoka0044???

You know that person???

[vague hemlock]

Yes my first message I linked a paste on what HO looks like

[honest shuttle]

Oh ok

[honest shuttle]

Wildfire

[vague hemlock]

Idr that sorry

[honest shuttle]

Oof-

If the avatar isn't custom then why can't I find it at the avatar options...

[vague hemlock]

Anyways any questions for me feel free to ask in #comp-general

[honest shuttle]

Okkk <3!

[manic helm]

https://pokepast.es/873c195d6c760247

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/0aedc0d54c59a4a2 heyhey, just here for help finishing this zapdos set, if zapdos is even the right choice, and some changes for the other mons if needed

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

Hi there saw you in natdex room. I didn’t realize you have no ground! Haha I would recommend Defog helmet landorus here.

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Defog
• Toxic

[tall tendon]

Over zapdos correct?

[vague hemlock]

The 144 speeds is for modest tran

And yes

That should fill the gaps here quite nicely

[tall tendon]

Tyy

Any other evs I should tweak?

[vague hemlock]

Ye hold up

No actually it’s fine you fixed ferro

Should be good now

Happy laddering

[tall tendon]

[robust vine]

Can someone make me a good team for arena

[nocturne willow]

Ask #comp-general

[raw venture]

kyurem is better with substitute and roost or scale shoot and ice beam

[nocturne willow]

general questions go to #comp-general

[robust vine]

Juste pour pokepast bro

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Can u use pokepaste

!pokepaste

[celest merlin]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1277030605070012546/Screenshot_from_2024-08-24_18-05-57.png?ex=66cbaeee&is=66ca5d6e&hm=b6be01052b74977f47e55ffd398a3f36ce897d49c88ad94d8cd8f9a4152692ca&

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1277030623315230751/Screenshot_from_2024-08-24_18-06-30.png?ex=66cbaef2&is=66ca5d72&hm=b39064ebeef402e144615cfb613e8003ab750c31c045a85d9a055e98566c8132&

[stuck berry]

oh shit i put wrong one

my bad i copied wrong link lol

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[stuck berry]

https://pokepast.es/f7b6207429a6cce8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stuck berry]

alternative version is crown and bolt for the last 2

vest crown and calm mind bolt ^

[nocturne willow]

this isn't for your pixelmon game right

[stuck berry]

also lando has an alternative set in one of the other versions of the team without scarf, rocks version

no

this is just for showdown

im making a seperate team for that

[next forge]

Rilla is fine but scarf lando looks rlly mid with eterrain weakening earthquake, making breaking through glowking and clod more annoying

Id just go defensive lando with earth power rather than scarf since this team has no hazard removal asw

Iron moth is probably better suited to be boots than booster since this isnt HO, and Urshifu can be the scarf mon instead since its way better at that role than lando is

Corv prefers bbird or body press over iron head and a more mixed EV spread rather than full spdef

Magnezone sucks dont use him raging bolt is much better here

https://pokepast.es/d7dedf7313085478

[stuck berry]

yeah i also have one with hypnosis xurk instead of it

[next forge]

Nah xurk sucks ngl

Too reliant on hitting hypno

[stuck berry]

it worked pretty well but yeah idk on the final edition of this

[next forge]

And hard walled by ferri

Ferro

[stuck berry]

hypnosis set deals 50% with tbolt, 60 with hpice

the corv was ubers spdef set mainly for setupped sweepers

but yeah the set is p weird even tho

Lando works as defensive too

setup shifu was mainly for stallbreaker role in this

and moth to counter things like lele with booster

[next forge]

Moth doesnt rlly beat lele

It cant come in reliably

Sometuing has to eat a moonblast or fblast

Also doesnt corv beat lele

Why do u need moth to handle that

[stuck berry]

in emergencies, it isnt only for that but booster energy isnt required for other tapus and rilla i guess

mainly for terrian contesters

[next forge]

How does it stallbreak dondozo

[stuck berry]

true 😂

Ill try that set tmr as its late and i have to go to school tomorrow 😂 ill save that rq

[next forge]

https://pokepast.es/44193b6f2badc24a theres this asw that does better into stall methinks

But prob does worse into offense cuz scarf hamurott is worse speed control

• not the best ground switchins

[lethal otter]

https://pokepast.es/be62b5a60f96febb

rate my team

[nocturne willow]

for reference, we only rate one team, so please dont post multiple at the same time

[lethal otter]

oh im sorry

ill delete the to

two

[reef sky]

https://pokepast.es/98d7cd7ee11dd257

Specs Iron Crown offense

[ember path]

Suggest running psychic noise on iron crown

[ember path]

It’s very weak to ground

[next forge]

U need to decide if this is hyper offense (glimm + ceruledge) or balance (everything else) before anybody can really help, also defensive archaludon isnt good, garg never runs double edge and azumarill is generally outclassed by mons like urshifu

[next forge]

No hazard removal u can just go defog lando since u alr have stealth rock heatran

Also u can prob go speed booster on crown since ur specs with koko

Or u can drop stealth rock on heatran and go taunt or hp ice (btw fix IVs if not) and go zapdos over tapu koko since this is a bit reliant on lando to handle stuff like garchomp

[reef sky]

should I keep elec z koko, or make it specs?

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/b24e27dca44f3860
kinda speedran this but uh

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

seems okay i suppose

only issue being the ground problems but with hawlucha that could be okay?

[feral canopy]

u are 6-0ed by lopunny

why is there a treads here

and why is it not a lando

[vague hemlock]

Lando > treads

[plush lintel]

sr + rapid spin?

and fairy check

oh wait

[vague hemlock]

Offense like this don’t need removal

[plush lintel]

lando gets fog this tier mb

[feral canopy]

there is literally an assault vest iron crown

[vague hemlock]

2. Make koko elec z

[feral canopy]

u dont need 3 big breakers too

js drop val

[plush lintel]

ive seen people run twinkle tackle a lot tbh

[feral canopy]

for smtg to properly deal w glisc or grounds

[feral canopy]

yeah not on these teams

[plush lintel]

kinda wanted to run koko val sadly

[feral canopy]

u need koko for terrain

then drop lucha

[plush lintel]

okay

[feral canopy]

and make val some cm set

[plush lintel]

oger?

[vague hemlock]

I think Val is fine

[plush lintel]

then perhaps should i go all in and do screens?

[vague hemlock]

Just make it Tera ghost

Cm

Yes

[feral canopy]

If u want to go screens remake the team atp

[plush lintel]

koko runs screen

[vague hemlock]

Nah this team is fine

[plush lintel]

but i dont wanna do that

[vague hemlock]

Just make the val cm

[plush lintel]

ok

[vague hemlock]

Tera ghost

[feral canopy]

Yes

[plush lintel]

tera ghost for what

btw

[feral canopy]

thwn u wld have to change the sets for everything

[feral canopy]

gking crown

[plush lintel]

true

[vague hemlock]

Break gking and crown

And you become immune to

Dragonite espeed

[plush lintel]

i see

do i add ogrepon for last slot

since i need smth for grounds

[vague hemlock]

Why is that crown cm

And not volt

[vague hemlock]

You are adding lando

[plush lintel]

wtf

im running av calm mind

😭

changed

[plush lintel]

as in to deal with grounds

such as opp lando

since roaming bengal cat said to remove the hawlucha

[vague hemlock]

If you want to pressure grounds immediately i recommend dropping one of lucha or val yes but probably lucha here

[plush lintel]

thats what i did too

[vague hemlock]

You can afford to run play rough since you are running mega medi

[plush lintel]

do i add ogrepon

[vague hemlock]

Yes

You do

[plush lintel]

okay

and which lando set

sd or defensive

[vague hemlock]

Rocks defensive with helmet

[plush lintel]

i like defensive on this tbh

[feral canopy]

Has to he defensive

[plush lintel]

okay, tysm for ur help both u and @feral canopy

[feral canopy]

if not lop click

[vague hemlock]

Yw even though adem is washed

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/9f1b1db1f3cee4f6

this works?

should i change tbolt to hp ice

on the koko

[vague hemlock]

Yes you should be running hp Ice over gleam

[plush lintel]

oki

ty

alsooo

this ival guy

booster energy?

or what item

because its eterrain and auto activates

[vague hemlock]

No keep booster energy for speed control out if terrain it’s fine

[plush lintel]

hmm oki

thanks

[feral canopy]

hp ice on koko

[plush lintel]

time to ladder

[feral canopy]

over gleam

[plush lintel]

done

[vague hemlock]

Yw

[feral canopy]

gleam is bad outside of cm

[plush lintel]

also

twinkle tackle is seeing more usage

any reason why

[vague hemlock]

Only on certain teams

And it runs cm when it does

[plush lintel]

ah ic

okay

[vague hemlock]

It’s really bad outside of that

[plush lintel]

it seems funi tho

not koko running it but rather the name itself

[feral canopy]

Because it doesnt need to support a ival or a lucha

and it does well into these offenses currentky

where u can just z the ground and break the rest

[vague hemlock]

He

Ye

Very good vs offense

[feral canopy]

not much gliscor more lando tusk

[plush lintel]

ah i see

nice

thanks

[next forge]

with calm mind

[plush lintel]

we dont talk about that

[vagrant breach]

Behold, this Mono-Bug team i made, ive been using it for months at this point. Ive maxxed out my ELO score to 1400 which for MONOBUG is really good https://pokepast.es/da7a8eb4f3ac5a89

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[reef sky]

Have you considered Natdex Monotype?

[vagrant breach]

fun fact

the team is worse there

[merry delta]

Unfortunately mono teams aren’t viable in NDOU

Mainly because most actually good teams beat mono teams with ease

[vagrant breach]

i mean its still impressive that i got to 1400 ELO with Mono-Bug

[merry delta]

Not really

[vagrant breach]

well...it is to me :(

[merry delta]

Because nd ladder sucks and you can climb that far with literally anything

[vagrant breach]

but i do find it funny that Mono-Bug is worse in the Mono format

[merry delta]

Not really because

[vagrant breach]

it, kinda is tho

[merry delta]

It’s meant for mono, it will have better mus in mono because at least there you can fish for some types

Ndou it literally does nothing against good teams

[vagrant breach]

well there goes my so called funny "Accomplishment"

[merry delta]

I suggest you use teams with actual synergy when trying to ladder as a start

[vagrant breach]

:(

[vagrant breach]

well

yeah, no shit

the team is a joke

i just thought it was funny that it got to 1400 ELO

[merry delta]

Then why did you put it in the rates channel

[vagrant breach]

idk i just wanted to share it? Doesnt seem like there isnt anyway where else i could

also im surprised there isnt a Replays Channel (Maybe there is i just couldnt find it)

[merry delta]

Sharing teams here means you want them to be rated, hence the name of the channel itself

Just as a note for the future

[vagrant breach]

yeah i know, but it was kinda like...the only place that seemed somewhat okay to put in my funny team. Sorry

[cerulean karma]

This is a place to ask for advice not to showcase teams

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/1b2be87173ca2448 somethin fun i cooked up

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vast tendon]

considering torn for the regen core and cm val but idk

[reef sky]

https://pokepast.es/23c4e7cd489ff021

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

Full on hail isn’t really in a good spot for one artozolt is still outspeed by a plethora of threats even boosted by hail. Like booster tusk, iron valiant, scarf kart etc. the best way to go with this is just make it screens offense and keep kyurem

[reef sky]

Unfortunate, thanks

[vague hemlock]

Np

[vague hemlock]

Zeraora is unfortunately outclassed by other breakers even with band it’s still not very strong. As a pivot it’s also outclassed by mega lopunny and tapu koko as well

The lack of a real steel also leave you vulnerable to stuff like tapu lele. Additionally ogerpon runs through this as well.

[silent nebula]

https://pokepast.es/be2490a026cc1dc8 thoughts?

[vague hemlock]

Needs a ground

Earth power lando should be fine

[silent nebula]

who should i replace?

[vague hemlock]

Honestly val

[silent nebula]

ok ty

[vague hemlock]

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 140 HP / 116 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earth Power
• Taunt
• U-turn

Np

Also give rilla super power > drain punch

[silent nebula]

kk

should i replace rocks on heat since i have rocks lando?

[vague hemlock]

Make that toxic Defog

My bad

Keep the same evs though

Oh you have fog zap uh just make tran taunt toxic

@silent nebula

[silent nebula]

kk ty

[vague hemlock]

Np

[reef sky]

https://pokepast.es/6f39c2cef42cc88b
I think I'm addicted to voltturn

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vague hemlock]

Make zapdos Defog hurricane with volt swich

Or tbh just drop zap for another water resist and make zap ferro with stealth rock. Then you can make lando Defog toxic.

2. Make koko elec z.

3. Give lop fake out > axel

4. Give lando 132 speed evs for raging bolt max out hp dump rest in defense.

[reef sky]

Only thing I’m worried about is not having great ways to manage grounds

[vague hemlock]

Lando is ground immune

[vast tendon]

any suggestions then? was kinda just messin around

[reef sky]

So just try and trade lando for whatever ground they're bringing?

[vague hemlock]

More often than not the grounds you see are other lando, tusk , and gliscor

You click toxic on lando and and turn into something that threatens it. One example

[vague hemlock]

Yeah probably something else that benefit a lot from future sight like mega lop. I would drop mega mawile probably I prefer it on teams that have para support. The steel can then be ferrothorn.

[terse barn]

https://pokepast.es/56e43c6dedeb47d5 how my stall looking?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne willow]

this is literally just chinese stall

wait this isn't even your stall it's aniques

do not post teams if they are not yours, especially if they are blatantly ripped from other people

[terse barn]

i took it off a youtube vid ngl, wasnt sure if its actually good tho

[dusky carbon]

It’s not mine either

Idk why my names there

[next forge]

😭

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/9bcc7a116414d1d1 holp

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy flint]

i don’t see the issue w it if they’re just tryna see if it’s good or not

[nocturne willow]

well its directly in the rules in the channel to not post it if it isnt yours

if you want to check if someone else's team is good or not you can, yknow, ask them

[hardy flint]

frankly the rules were made by smelly people who don’t know the mind of newer players.

[nocturne willow]

you're a smelly person.

[hardy flint]

nope. i’m very clean.

[hardy flint]

what if they’re not accepting dms or something

ooo get owned

punk boy

also pretty sure that team is a sample or sum

anique didn’t make that

[nocturne willow]

yeah its literally chinese stall lol

[hardy flint]

LOL ya

anique can’t make viable builds

[cerulean karma]

what is TLOH

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/e662298e21ecbf3b

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/bc7a62d460b8845b

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plush lintel]

thoughts anyone

[vague hemlock]

Not bad but think ferro > crown is a better options gives you more insurance vs rain and since Ttar is running rocks you can run spikes.

2. Run ice spinner > jet on urshifu.

3. Run 132 speed evs on lando to creep raging bolt.

What is the idea behind the team. Cause somethings that are here is not clear to me.

For example a scarf ival even though there is decent speed control already in mega lop . Heatran and ferro which makes you incredibly weak to fighting types like shifu and medi. Rotom is also not very good. Could it be used yes but it’s very inconsistent it’s even ranked C on the vr.

[vague hemlock]

.

[plush lintel]

sacrificing what on lando

ferro also doesnt provide special coverage will that be an issue

[vague hemlock]

Nothing just run max hp 132 speed dump rest in defense

[plush lintel]

ok

[rose garnet]

I have a unique situation. I'm building a mono team for normal Nat Dex OU. I wanted to use Archludon, but I'm building the team for a tournament, and the tournament doesn't allow Archludon. Anyone have any suggestions for what I could replace it for? https://pokepast.es/816746f95a2f9f7f

[nocturne willow]

we don't build around arbitrary restrictions, sorry

this isn't the server to ask

[rose garnet]

oh, my bad then

[quaint adder]

yooo pretty new to the tier, what does this team need?

[vast tendon]

https://pokepast.es/c28cdb762da3da99

[stuck berry]

https://pokepast.es/4c465a5a963d3fef

^ opinions

[feral canopy]

there is a choice specs landorus therian

[next forge]

tera fighting raging bolt

[stuck berry]

its z crys anyway

[stuck berry]

its really unexpected XD i am swapping it tho dw it was just a troll set

[summer bobcat]

Its bad

[next forge]

Just make it lead lando, replace tapu lele with Iron Valiant and make kartana swords dance and I'm p sure this is a decent HO structure

[stuck berry]

kk bet ty

[rigid torrent]

https://pokepast.es/9e71d308aa78ee3f

Lop balance

Pretend I'm tera ground volcanion

[next forge]

go boots on torn

its ur only defogger and wihtout it u have 2 mons weak to rocks

[merry delta]

Fly z is fine here

Volcan should be boots anyway

Specs is too risky

[reef sky]

ghost spam https://pokepast.es/72fb84ca35dfee32

[merry delta]

Mega Banette doesn’t fit here really

I know the idea is ghost spam but I wouldn’t consider using mban here, it just can’t fit seriously on any type of team and its role is almost never needed aside from being funny

[reef sky]

yeah, I was trying to find a ghost to pair with blace, but bannete was the main thing I saw

idk if like aegi can keep the theme, or just pivot into some other breaker

[next forge]

ngl u shouldnt bother with ghostspam if the ghost types ur gonna can never break through mttar

ur better off using ceru at least that has close combat

[reef sky]

oh, ceru's a good idea

[reef sky]

Probably just sash

[tall tendon]

https://pokepast.es/669cf157e9e1e9ed

Tried doing a triple grass team, it had worked pretty well for me but any changes would be appreciated

[vague hemlock]

Hi I get what you are trying to go for but the execution is not there a grass spam terrain team I would probably just use a rilla+ another grass like cornerstone ogerpon, kart , wellspring ogerpon, meow maybe fine as well (not scarf meow but pads) zap is fine but the other two sableye and celesteela are out of place.

Here is grass spam I built over a month ago you can use as a reference to see what it looks like https://pokepast.es/fbe4f2cf16b3e65e

[plush lintel]

could use hawlucha too

for zapdos

or ccelesteela

[vague hemlock]

Celesteela is a bit awkward rn even offensively

Still very slow after autonomize

[tall tendon]

I couldn't use rilla meow kart?

[vague hemlock]

Zap and lucha does fit on these structures

[vague hemlock]

I’d pick rilla + one other three is overdoing it imo. You want to be able to respond reasonably vs other opponents.

Your team doesn’t even have a ground or proper water resistance

Sableye is a stall exclusive as well not in team like this

[tall tendon]

I swapped rockpon with kart and it works

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/4765288d9e4ae038
open to thoughts, considering gouging -> waterpon

[vague hemlock]

Just remember the other things i mentioned gl

[vague hemlock]

Goal behind the team? I don’t like how lop freely clicks vs this team. Additionally matchup vs weather like rain is kind of rough as well. Sam doesn’t run av anymore. Also nidoking is unranked.

[plush lintel]

the basic idea behind the team is nidoking

im playing gen 8 ou and that shit cooks hard

i dont think punny does much to dnite, it stopped running taxel

or scizor for that matter

sam av could be changed for sure

should i get waterpon -> gouging for weather

[vague hemlock]

Yeah this meta is too fast for nidoking in gen 9

Also ogerpon sadly doesn’t deal with rain it helps but it’s not gonna get you the win on its own.

[plush lintel]

ah i see

would webs give me better MU

or perhaps twave spam

[vague hemlock]

You could try webs but like I said you probably will not get mileage out of a Mon that’s unranked currently

[plush lintel]

very sad

i wonder how nido would be in OU

with less foggers

and gholdengoo

webs spam

time to scrap this ig

ty

[vague hemlock]

Np

[mighty peak]

https://pokepast.es/942e56923565f7b1
How is this team?

[merry delta]

These sets / some of the mons are kinda unviable or just do not fit

For example, mega Tyranitar needs both pursuit and knock off. Inteleon is completely unviable, Toxapex doesn’t really use lefties and black sludge is just completely bad in gen 9 for the most part. Koko doesn’t have roost which is vital to this kind of team, and fairy z without cm is pretty bad. Lorb Kartana is also quite unviable; chipping yourself like that will severely hinder Kart’s ability to be a wincon, and smart strike is not really usable on sd sets since it doesn’t really do anything. Aegislash is also pretty unviable in this metagame but even then this set is very much off, shadow sneak shouldn’t be there since it does no damage at all and should probably be replaced by sub, but I wouldn’t use aegis altogether.

Not to mention all the structural issues; for example, there is no ground immune, no way to check Ogerpon-w, no ground type of your own, etc

No way to reliably beat offense teams since the defensive core is so lacking and it doesn’t really force any kind of consistent progress

I suggest using the sample teams to get an idea of what kinds of cores and sets are good

As well as the viability rankings / sample sets

You can find the latter pretty easily and the former 2 should be in the nd forums

Not to say that mons low on the vr / unranked are unusable, but without more extensive knowledge of the tier it’s hard to make them work

[mighty peak]

the sample teams are great, I'll try to learn them and add my own touch to them, first match with it, I encountered a salty player

thanks!

[mighty peak]

edited it a bit

https://pokepast.es/daa25361ef9529ed

[reef sky]

Two Zs and 2 Megas is just wasting slots

[merry delta]

Yea

[mighty peak]

oops, forgot about that

[mighty peak]

should I use choice scarf of choice band for Kartana? https://pokepast.es/15781fd6dbbed0bc

[celest merlin]

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[lyric pond]

https://pokepast.es/b8397443da2d35be
i need help for improvements for my current team

[next forge]

Neither, you're better off using Bulky Z Kartana to use Defog since Defog Serperior is pretty bad. Tapu Koko can run Heavy Duty Boots instead, while Garchomp should swap out Fire Blast with Dragon Tail to stop opposing setup since you already scare out Ferrothorn with Heatran, who usually prefers Toxic over Protect. Some of your mons are missing good Tera options (Pex to Dragon, Chomp to Ghost) and Garchomp's EV spread should be 56 speed to outspeed modest Heatran with the rest dumped in SpD to handle Zapdos and others better. Finally, koko should use HP Ice over Dazzling Gleam to hit Landorus-T better.

Id say replace Serperior with Specs Iron Valiant since that gives you some nice offensive pressure versus opposing threats while being decent speed control with Quark Drive.

[next forge]

Mega Charizard X usually only works on HO teams rather than balance structures, and it isn't very useful without Dragon Dance. I'd swap it out for Volcarona or Iron Moth which suit balance builds much better. Kyurem should replace Substitute with Tera Blast Ground for perfect coverage vs the tier (orthworm isn't real) and to hit Toxapex better. Landorus-T shouldn't run Tera Flying just use Tera Water for a better rain MU, while Toxapex usually runs Tera Dragon to beat Mega Charizard Y and Grass types better, although Alomomola would probably be a better fit here for a slow pivot. Stealth Rock and Defog on Landorus-T is a really mediocre combination and you're better off either using Defog/Toxic or Stealth Rock/Taunt for better utility.

[lyric pond]

landorus is my only defogger though

[next forge]

Since a decent chunk of your team is using Boots / doesnt mind hazards it shouldn't matter too much especially since you pressure out most rockers with Kyurem/Volcarona anyways

Pex should probably be Boots btw

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/ce3fd42a2d0fe630

figured mega sciz is much better now that goug is gone

[lyric pond]

Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 80 HP / 252 SpA / 176 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Quiver Dance
• Morning Sun
• Fiery Dance
• Will-O-Wisp
  this good enough?

or do i go with 252 speed

[next forge]

Swap out morning sun for giga drain and willowisp for hp ground to hit heatran

And go full offensive (252 spa 252 spe)

And make it either tera grass or ground

[lyric pond]

alright

[pliant bay]

https://pokepast.es/69f0683de70c241d
is there a mon i can use instead of rilla that fits this team 🙏

[cold fog]

https://pokepast.es/ce3fd42a2d0fe630

[vague hemlock]

Hi there kinda a lot going on here for one you have umbreon which is not ranked on our vr.

2. You kind of have overlap with running two offensive pivots in cinderace and koko I don’t really know what ace would provide here either especially court change sets considering you have removal.

3. You have no ground type or steel type. So stuff like tapu lele and raging bolt runs through you. Additionally no proper water resistances.

My opinion would be to find a Mon in here that you like and build around it as it currently seems it was just slapped together. I would also suggest taking a look at the vr and sample teams to see how team structures look.

[cold fog]

could you do mine?

[pliant bay]

alr

[vague hemlock]

Looking

[vague hemlock]

Question who is the star Mon and what type of team style are you trying to go for my assumption is offense right?

[cold fog]

yeah offense

i wanted to try a more offensive crown

[vague hemlock]

Who is your Mon you are building around

So i can get a more solid foundation of your mental approach to building this

[cold fog]

kyurem

[vague hemlock]

Gotcha

Give me a sec

[vague hemlock]

Ok so firstly I would make mega scizor mega medi

[cold fog]

hm ok

[vague hemlock]

Partners great with koko volt on ferro/gking switch in to let medi in for example

[pliant bay]

im gonna keep umbreon cus believe it or not it actually does a lot of work

ill use garchomp as my ground type

[vague hemlock]

I think sam can be scarf urshifu

[cold fog]

i had that before

[vague hemlock]

You could even just make the sam scarf

Give the lando max speed and taunt

Make the crown av future sight

With volt

[vague hemlock]

If you feel that works for you go for it i made my suggestions

[cold fog]

alright thanks

[vague hemlock]

Np

[cold fog]

what set on medi?

[vague hemlock]

Medicham @ Medichamite
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Zen Headbutt
• Fake Out
• Ice Punch

You can run bullet punch here tho for mega diancie

And Val

[cold fog]

yeah i put bullet punch

[vague hemlock]

Gl hf

[mighty peak]

this has been wroking supprisingly well

https://pokepast.es/ae3c785e8f0ab644

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mighty peak]

I start off with drizzle pelliper which turns into a mega swampert

[next forge]

What does koko even do here

Also heatran on rain...

[mighty peak]

trust the process

tbh, koko is just a gleam user and heatran because I don't even know

at this point

probably should use like garchomp instead

[next forge]

Replace heatran with archaludon

[mighty peak]

yeah but I need fire

[next forge]

For what

[next forge]

U can go stealth Rock over Substitute on swampert

Toxapex is a momentum sink for rain teams u can have barraskewda instead to be fast strong and pivot

Koko can be a raging bolt instead

[mighty peak]

k but I have no walls anymore, wait, do I even need walls?

[next forge]

No

Rain is offense

[robust vine]

Can someone drop a good nat dex gen 9 team ho ?

[loud oyster]

Samples

[robust vine]

?

[mighty peak]

https://pokepast.es/b707d13a160d6c2f

[celest merlin]

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[mighty peak]

I probably need some fire moves

maybe a garchomp?

but where?

[plush lintel]

its a rain team

🙏

use band barr

[mighty peak]

grrr band

[mighty peak]

Nevermind, band is great

[loud oyster]

Sample teams

Check those out

[robust vine]

Drop me one

[loud oyster]

Look them up on smogon

[reef sky]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

You can google something along the lines of ‘nd ou sample teams’

[native spruce]

electric terrarin mega manectric team, andy changes I could make? mega manectric has to stay bc hes the best mega

https://pokepast.es/216b1b7de1c6bbc7

[nocturne willow]

Idk why you’re here if you’re looking for advice on how to build around shitmons

[native spruce]

id sweep your clodsire team with electric

calm down

[nocturne willow]

Great for you ig

Mega manetric sucks in OU and you can’t build a viable team around it

[merry delta]

You can actually

Not impossible

But not with this team

It doesn’t give mmane the proper support it needs

[nocturne willow]

Ineros I haven’t seen a single mega manetric in my entire time playing ndou this mon is a fraud

[native spruce]

this is just not even true

[merry delta]

No synergy at all

It sucks in ndou yes but it does have the slightest of use

[native spruce]

rising voltage ohko's glowking, thats all you need in life

[nocturne willow]

It’s not even ranked it’s ass

[merry delta]

Well yes but that doesn’t mean you can’t at least try

[native spruce]

people havent realized his true power

[merry delta]

I see the vision he’s looking at but unfortunately

[nocturne willow]

Unfortunately he’s blind

[merry delta]

U just don’t have the support mmane really wants

[native spruce]

you seee, this is why I asked for help

[merry delta]

Well the thing is the team doesn’t really have a clear direction

[native spruce]

but clodsire doesnt believe im going to rank #1 with these "shitmons"

[nocturne willow]

Yeah, yeah I do

Keep dreaming

[merry delta]

You got a specs Zapdos which is not a good set here

There is also no fire or water resists at all

Mmane also requires the support of weavile

[native spruce]

hp ice is my weavile

[merry delta]

Because you want to pursuit stuff like blissey clod gking and iron crown

No it isn’t

That wasn’t my point

[native spruce]

if blissey comes in then I just send kartana fr

[merry delta]

Well that’s not really how it works because

The blissey just switches out; weavile actually pursuits and can chip / kill mmane’s checks

There is really no way around it lol

If you are trying to seriously build mmane

[native spruce]

so weavile is a must bc of blissey

[merry delta]

Well also other things

[native spruce]

what if I just do a run to the top without encountering blissey

easy peasy

[merry delta]

You also pursuit trap av iron crown, gking, clodsire, and threaten a myriad of ground types

[native spruce]

manectric obliterates glowking

[merry delta]

Terrain doesn’t last forever

[native spruce]

7 turns is basically forever

[merry delta]

Oh ur extender

Well in that case

You are also in the lele tier

So

[native spruce]

the psychic one?

[merry delta]

That’s why rvolt strats are largely unviable

U also have a lot of grounds too

[native spruce]

whats that mean

I have no ground types

[silent nebula]

in the meta game

[merry delta]

Ye

[native spruce]

oh ok

[merry delta]

Oh and that’s another issue

You don’t have a ground

Which is essential on almost every team

[native spruce]

are we feeling lando

[merry delta]

Good luck trying to play around iron crown or the other vswitch users

[silent nebula]

prob add a iron treads

[native spruce]

for ggroud immunity

iron treads is genius wait

hes cooking

bc quark drive

[merry delta]

Idk man I don’t like this structure in general

It has too many flaws

[native spruce]

well too bad im breaking top 100 tn

[merry delta]

You can get high on this ladder with anything if u play enough

[silent nebula]

lol

[merry delta]

Does it mean it’s consistent? No

[native spruce]

I will ocnsistetly get good matchups

its that easy

[silent nebula]

smh

[native spruce]

so we decided that iron treads will be the ground

and weavile

so we got tapu koko, mane, iron treads, weavile

[silent nebula]

need a fire and water resist

[native spruce]

so

ogerpon

easy peasy

[silent nebula]

no

[merry delta]

I’m not building this, come back with a completed team if you are restructuring the team so u can be rated again

[native spruce]

samurott hisui

[silent nebula]

prob raging bolt

[merry delta]

Not the place to build teams

[silent nebula]

im out too

gl lil bro

[native spruce]

trueeeee

thanks bro

yall I cooked

https://pokepast.es/ef814d422ffc7333

W team

going to rank #1 right now see yall at the top

[silent nebula]

speed bolt?

[lament jetty]

Lmso

lmso

lmao

[feral canopy]

ground immune ferrothorn

well done

[plush lintel]

my scarflando having a field day after this one!

and my tusk

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wet river]

I hope this is the right place for this

I need help with volcarona

its countering me really hard

I had a dragapult instead of comfey but turns out its banned in the tournament im playing

So I opted for comfey, but still anytime theres a volcarona, it sweeps me

[merry delta]

Well dragapult is banned for one so you can’t even use it

2nd

This team is filled with unviable mons

[wet river]

Its a Hail team

[merry delta]

There is not one mon here that’s actually good

[wet river]

Really?

Mandibuzz has been really useful in most fights

[merry delta]

And that’s another issue, snow teams atm need actually good support in the mus they need to be good in and even then they just are not good

[merry delta]

Mandibuzz is way too passive and exploitable; its defensive utility is nothing special either

[wet river]

hmmm

Well do you think its possible to find a volcarona counter within this team?

Either a different move or a different pokemon

[merry delta]

Idk man this team just does not have good support options at all

[wet river]

dang, thats kinda throwing me off because i was having some really good games with this team

yawn and rocks

[merry delta]

Mandibuzz doesn’t wall that much

Mag kinda just doesn’t really do much when gking and iron crown are everywhere and there are 10000 things that threaten it

Swampert’s role is quite outclassed

And is just subpar stat wise too, it doesn’t really do much on its own in practice

You can’t really fix the team either because not only are the mons being used bad the team structure that’s being built is also quite not good

[wet river]

I see

Well do you have any teams surrounding aurora veil? Its kind of the reason why im running this team

[merry delta]

https://pokepast.es/3e0fc63dc9fe6a50 I built this in like 2 seconds but it should be “ok” structurally

[feral canopy]

with hail idt u want multi on dnite

[merry delta]

It’s snow no?

Hail chip doesn’t exist with snow warning

[lament jetty]

Hail doesn’t exist anymore my guy

[merry delta]

Well it does exist in nd it just isn’t activated by snow warning; it’s activated by the move hail

[feral canopy]

can u look at the team

[lament jetty]

O

[feral canopy]

ohbwait

doesnt that still

proc hail

??

[merry delta]

No

[lament jetty]

Nope

Not anymore

[merry delta]

Snow warning procs snow

[feral canopy]

Wtf

oh

Mb then

[dusk flare]

Idiot.

[feral canopy]

be nice

[next forge]

Idiot.

[hardy flint]

@dusk flare canu stop w the hate crimes pls

[lament jetty]

lol

[native spruce]

so I decided to go zapdos galar instead

https://pokepast.es/4ea6bd08865b8556

I also dont know what teras I should be using for tapu koko and zapdos

im maybe feeling dragonite too over zapdos galar

but im unsure

shiii maybe even gliscor

actually dragonite

I think this is the play https://pokepast.es/626de0ea83a758be

no ice spinner because it gets rid of the terrarin

ehh maybe I should have ice spinner bc treads already has it anyways

[native spruce]

nah I have to have ice spinner if dragonite is always my switch to lando

[pliant bay]

https://pokepast.es/87e50a4a296af6c9

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pliant bay]

need 1 more mon

[pliant bay]

actually na

https://pokepast.es/9f53aaed5fa9aceb

need a 6th for this one

[robust vine]

What is this team 💀

[pliant bay]

wym

[native spruce]

nvm I figured it out

im cooking with this one

https://pokepast.es/689ce51d64f81fdf

rising voltaeg instead of thunderbolt on zapdos

im almost feeling scarf on dragonite incase of a non scarf urshifu

[feral canopy]

did u hit top 100 already

[native spruce]

imm testing

what I lsoe to

so far I havent found a single blissye so idk why I need weavile

and then weavile always misses triple axel

and just dies

im honestly debateing getting rod of him

honeslt y feeling a sub kyurem

because that gets rid of blissye

[merry delta]

U still need Weav for gking / iron crown

If Weav is “just dying” then you aren’t playing right

[native spruce]

he misses

way too much

and when he doesnt

he hits one time

and glowking gets ohko'd by mmanectric

[merry delta]

252 SpA Manectric-Mega Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking-Galar in Electric Terrain: 207-244 (52.5 - 61.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Say that again for me please

[native spruce]

wait regidrago might be cooking

[lament jetty]

Bruva this guy still thinks he’s gonna make it work

[pliant aspen]

https://pokepast.es/f0622f6ffd399d24

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[summer bobcat]

Its not

You get one dog shit pick per team and you already have mega mannetric

That is to say, as a general rule of thumb you should only have one non ou guy on an ou team for it to still be possible to make it viable/good

[dusky carbon]

What’s stopping u from having TWO non ou guy

[pliant bay]

mega manectric is my goat dont hate on him like that 💔

[plush lintel]

damn

[summer bobcat]

A lot of team building experience

[quaint adder]

its one of the worst mega but we fr need better electric type megas 😭

[plush lintel]

mega raging bolt

we will be there

[pliant bay]

peak

[plush lintel]

🗣️

[rigid torrent]

Ampharos in the building peak mon

[feral canopy]

Ok nah

calling it one of the worst is js plain wrong

its outclassed by koko and other breakers overall but its not even close to one of the worst

its actually usable unlike some others

[summer bobcat]

Mega audino😨

[lament jetty]

https://pokepast.es/e5bd9ccf3292857c

Yo guys I wanna build a team around bulky qd volc and mega latios, can it work?

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lament jetty]

I’m more comfortable with urshifu as a scarfer since it has U turn

But other than corv volc latios and urshifu

Idk what I’m doing

And I forgot the 4 evs

I just noticed

Anyways I know that mega latios is UUBL, but can it work with bulky volc?

[limber crypt]

can prob drop glisc for lando here, lele is prob unneded as well since u have alot of offensive pressure between ursh volc and tios

[native spruce]

thats rude

[lament jetty]

Ah

[native spruce]

mega manec is the best mega

[lament jetty]

Mane is kinda trash

[limber crypt]

idk what u would put tho, lot of stuff kinda overlaps with corv

[native spruce]

nah he gets flamethrower and hp ice and rising voltage

hes just too good

[limber crypt]

could drop corv for like zap then run crowjn over lele

thats what i would do at least

[summer beacon]

https://pokepast.es/78fdde34608dafbf

[lament jetty]

Crown?

[summer beacon]

im bad at this

[lament jetty]

Oh cool

[limber crypt]

iron crown

[summer beacon]

also im not done

[lament jetty]

Ah

[limber crypt]

general rule of thumb is we only rate full teams

[summer beacon]

o ma fault

[limber crypt]

np

tho at a cursory glance

i think someone would redirect you to sample teams if they saw this

trick room in general tends to be inconsistent

[summer beacon]

Armaldo @ Iron Plate
Ability: Swift Swim
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Stone Edge
• Iron Tail
• Swords Dance
• Hone Claws

Omastar @ White Herb
Ability: Swift Swim
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature

• Smack Down
• Shell Smash
• Brine
• Rain Dance

Kilowattrel @ Zap Plate
Ability: Competitive
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Weather Ball
• Thunder
• Hurricane
• Roost

Poliwrath @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Swift Swim
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Belly Drum
• Liquidation
• Drain Punch
• Protect

Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature

• Defog
• Protect
• Roost
• U-turn

Manaphy @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Hydration
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Tail Glow
• Tail Glow
• Flip Turn
• Heal Bell

prob should have pokepasted but here
remember im bad at this

manaphy should have scald instead of one of those tail glows

[nocturne willow]

yeah this team isn't viable at all, sorry

4 of these mons aren't even in ou

[next forge]

Double tail glow manaphy without a single special attacking move

And flip turn

[quaint adder]

how

[merry delta]

It has some certain tools like flamethrower mainly that help it a bit which makes it buildable / able to do something in a game

[quaint adder]

isnt flamethrower like one of the only good non stab special attacks it learns and like its only coverage aside from hidden power

[merry delta]

Yes but it doesn’t really need anything else

[quaint adder]

wdym

[orchid osprey]

what cna i improve to this team? https://pokepast.es/d41b598282d8ed0e

[nocturne willow]

dragapult is banned in natdex ou

[orchid osprey]

not in gen 9 nat dex draft

[nocturne willow]

o

hm

to be honest we don't have a lot of draft raters

i would recommend you go to the draft discord, which has a lot more, well, draft players lol

[orchid osprey]

well its not really a team for showdown i just wanna know what cna make this team better for lets say gen 8 ou but with Armarouge on the team

[nocturne willow]

unfortunately we can't really help with that metagame as we don't build around arbitrary restrictions

frankly, armarogue isn't viable in ou at all for both gen 9 and natdex, and i doubt it would be very much viable in gen 8 either

but since this is a draft you can't swap it out for something better, so like i said before it might be better for you to ask the draft discor

[orchid osprey]

just give me something, idc what format, its not for showdown i just need improvements on it, thats all im asking LOL

[nocturne willow]

i mean thats my suggestion ig

armarogue sucks dont use it

but we don't help with these arbitrary restrictions, so please in the future do not ask these questions in this discord

[orchid osprey]

thak u thats all i need lol

is it missing any good wall mons or synergy?

[nocturne willow]

can't really say because i have no idea what metagame this is for

like i said, we can't really help with these arbitrary restrictions, so please dont ask these questions in the future in this discord

if this is for some third party game ie roblox or minecraft, ask in those discord servers

[feral canopy]

what

it has a good special attack and speed stat

it has most of the coverage needed for an offensive electric type (fire and ice)

its not good sure but its miles ahead of most other megas

ampharos houndoom absol banette beedrill abomasnow pidge steelix glailie audino are all worse

and some like garde gallade aggron heracross are all around that level

[next forge]

Dude the first one is banned

[feral canopy]

forgor.

[rigid torrent]

I play gen 7 but tbf I find manectric threatening to alot of teams I use

Coverage and good spatk is scary

[quaint adder]

alr im gonna try out manectric then

[summer bobcat]

The natdex elites can keep telling me mega banette is garbage but I'll never believe them

[next forge]

[native spruce]

hes like magnezone but better

[native spruce]

hes literally only useful to click destiny bond with

thats all mega banettes do

destiny bond

destiny bond

destiny bond

[summer bobcat]

Nah dude he's a good breaker as well

I think mega banette is only hated on by Big National Dex because its cheap

But just because its cheese doesn't mean prankster encore isn't also really good

[plush lintel]

i will

[dusky carbon]

True

We free thinkers must unite

[reef sky]

https://pokepast.es/ca94a1ea714653d8

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber crypt]

I think av crown, sr on lando, and optionally fog zap are the way to go here

also tera dragon on lando or zap

[reef sky]

Yeah, I just feel like it's hard to fit stuff onto zap

[vague hemlock]

Since crown is specs it should be running focus blast > future sight as well

Oh SL suggested av

Iron Crown @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 20 Atk
Tera Type: Fighting
Timid Nature

• Tachyon Cutter
• Future Sight
• Focus Blast
• Volt Switch

^run this

[reef sky]

focus blast over psychic noise?

[vague hemlock]

Yes since it’s assault vest

[merry delta]

U need psychic noise replace future sight

On that set

Well on av

[rigid torrent]

Gen 8 national dex

I checked like 50 samples

None have rillaboom

A friend told me it was broken in the tier

😭 doesn't seem like it

[vague hemlock]

Well probably not broken but it’s fairly decent

https://pokepast.es/8cd59b4b11724576

https://pokepast.es/e5ceb197fa75d5ba

Here is a couple rilla teams of mine

[rigid torrent]

Gen 8 mb

[vague hemlock]

Oh lol

[native spruce]

ok so\

I figured out waht teh team was missing

https://pokepast.es/319f7e5168bdd3ed

slowbro.

he pivots in everyone

so much momentum

with u turns and volt switches

[last minnow]

@native spruce you've been told that mega mane is unviable multiple times and constantly ignored rather advice through the multiple times you've posted this team

unless you plan to change that, refrain from posting it here in the future, please.

[native spruce]

if I ignored advice why do I have iron treads and weavile on my team still

its called hypotheticals

lock in bro

[last minnow]

lose the attitude

ty

[native spruce]

the winning attitude?

after everyone telling me I cant do it

I still persist

wild to say thats an attitude

[merry delta]

The mon is buildable but I don’t think these types of teams are that good at all

They lose too much to Volcarona / ogerpon

[native spruce]

see you guys are just too confusing

yall say the team is bad, but is it because the team is bad? or is it because the mons are just bad

have I already created the best possible team with the lowest amount of threats?

whats going on here

[merry delta]

Kinda the former but it also the latter since mmane is kinda just redundant here

[native spruce]

would there even be a point of defog on zapdos if treads can spin

the only thing that doesnt like taking spikes would be weavile

[nocturne willow]

So after ineros tells you “this team structure inherently is flawed and mmane isn’t really good on this team”

You instead think the issue is defog on Zapdos

If you’re not here to listen to our advice, I don’t know why you’re here

[native spruce]

that is because at the very begginig of this I have stated mmane is staying on the team no matter what

[nocturne willow]

Ok, great for you

[native spruce]

you guys just refuse to read

[nocturne willow]

Go somewhere else then

[native spruce]

im asking for help thinking, and youre here telling me I cant do it yet again

smh

[nocturne willow]

Yes because there are far bigger issues with this team than what 4th move you are running on Zapdos