NatDex OU Rates

[empty olive]

Don't use fake out + Psychic terrain

Only reason why lopp choice is iffy

Just use taxel

[reef sky]

Knew I missed something, thanks

[cerulean karma]

i belive it is a rule that we don't rate joke teams

as it is generally a waste of time

[loud oyster]

oh

ill keep that in mind

[blissful crescent]

https://pokepast.es/8642664dd9c43592

[celest merlin]

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[blissful crescent]

Any way to improve this rain team?

[next forge]

Replace Tapu Lele with Barraskewda

Give Archaludon Assault Vest

[blissful crescent]

Is anything else needed

[next forge]

U could replace zapdos with raging bolt

[blissful crescent]

Also I want to keep lele,

[blissful crescent]

Is there a way for me to keep it

[next forge]

AV ig

Like on the samples

But idk why u wouldnt want barraskewda

[blissful crescent]

I don't hate it

Just want to keep lele

Need a fast breaker incase rain doesn't go up

Bc I am too bad to know how to preserve pelipper 💀💀

[amber parrot]

https://pokepast.es/9d99290dce5ebe38

Plz rate my bug team 🙂

[blissful crescent]

May not be a rater but this team just gets wrecked by stealth rocks

Especially volc

If rocks are on the field

Sach is just useless

[nocturne willow]

We don’t rate gimmick teams sorry

[amber parrot]

Thanks for a very honest rate lol, yes the stealth rock is the biggest obstacle

[nocturne willow]

If you want to play ndmonotype, this is the natdex ou channel and you should post it in natdex others

[blissful crescent]

I will just give extra tips in dms

[amber parrot]

Oh yea sorry

Mb

[rare bay]

New to NatDex, I'd like an opinion on this team: https://pokepast.es/ccbd856e4299e5d4

[empty olive]

Use sample teams if you're new to understand basic teambuilding

[feral canopy]

i mean

they said new to natdex

not new to teambuilding

[rare bay]

Yeah I don't think the synergy is terrible, just maybe not a good fit for the format

[feral canopy]

@hardy flint do ur job

[hardy flint]

i hate you

i’m going to class

connection dying

[vague hemlock]

Hi there seems at like a solid attempt at a first build in natdex. Here are some slight changes that I think will benefit this team.

1. I think scarf Tana> over aegi would be good as it gives you a more solid matchup into rain outspeeding the likes of mega Swampert. Additionally aegi struggles to make progress with the near omnipresence of gliscor which shuts it down completely. Anyways for Kart Moves/coverage: leafblade, sacred sword, smart strike, and knockoff

2. You usually want as much out of chomp defensively as you do offensively Lo puts him on a timer. So I would suggest the rockium z swords dance set. Moves/coverage: Swords dance, stealth rock, stone edge, earthquake

3. As far as pex go I’m not sure what alternative can be slotted there. Also If you feel rocks is an issue with yard and one hazard removal option is not enough you can probably do spin tusk over chomp that Mon is usually ok paired with yard.

Hopefully adriyun can get back to you soon but that’s my eyes view of it.

[rare bay]

Thanks!

[vague hemlock]

Much respect welcome to Natdex hope you enjoy the tier !

[neon valve]

https://pokepast.es/4059d62ea5733d26

[celest merlin]

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[neon valve]

Shut up bro

You dont have to ping anyone

[rare bay]

Played a few games with your changes and it works great, really fun team to play, too!

[next forge]

This but fr

Get mega camerupt tf outta here

He ain't clicking full power eruption

Ever

[neon valve]

what instead?

[next forge]

Ig scarf heatran if u wanna keep the eruption niche

[neon valve]

ye but my camerupt dont have eruption

[nocturne willow]

Mega Camerupt sucks and has no niche

Want a powerful fire type special attacker? Volc

[rare bay]

That Kartana set shreds, holy hell

[next forge]

Volcanion or volcarona?

[modest nebula]

Volacarona

[vague hemlock]

Glad to hear bro!

[vague hemlock]

As shiest as mega Camerupt is it’s unfortunately not viable a the moment even on trick room.

1. Firstly as the others suggest Volc is a really good bulky fire type attacker and can sometimes end games with its quiver dance set. So I think that’s a suitable replacement.

Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
Hidden Power: Ground
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 200 Def / 60 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flamethrower
• Quiver Dance
• Hidden Power [Ground]
• Roost
  Tera steel pretty much stops lop or dnite from trying to use priority to stop its sweep and has a chance for a nasty burn.

2. Second change I would suggest is ogerpon wellspring > ogerpon grass. Much more consistent by nature of it’s water typing (and immunity via its ability) Moveset: ivy cudgel ,swords dance, super power, power whip.

3. As for ting Lu I’d give it lefties and probably change its tera type to poison which if needed allows you to resist fairy and fighting and lets you become immune to poison.

4. Make corviknight tera dragon (allows you to have a water and grass resistance if needed vs opposing ogerpon). I would also suggest giving corv brave bird so it’s not a sitting duck vs opposing ogerpon.

5. As for tapu lele give it either hp fire or psyshock over shadow ball as it doesn’t really hit anything ( personally I think psyshock is better here.)

Last change: probably go alomomola > prim. I nice physical sponge and can help keep your other mons healthy(like corv and ting) vs other mons and allows a safe pivot into your breaker (like ogerpon) these are my changes I do hope they are beneficial to you.

[next forge]

Tera ghost is also good for ting lu against rapid spin or cc great tusk

So u can easily set hazards vs it

[vague hemlock]

Oh forgot that that’s a good suggestion as well

[feral canopy]

mcamel works last gen 🔥

[vague hemlock]

Fr

[summer bobcat]

Mega camel

[reef sky]

https://pokepast.es/e0d7b2a56eb01b4a First pass at a Yard team this gen

[celest merlin]

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[cerulean karma]

in what scenario do u need hwish on top of reg wish on mola

[reef sky]

Uhh

Good question

Probably better as knock

[next forge]

or toxuc

[reef sky]

I felt like tox might be to slow, idk though

[reef sky]

Anything else?

[reef sky]

https://pokepast.es/2930e7f8c4e108ad

[summer bobcat]

Mola doesn't get knock tho I think

[reef sky]

It does, at least in nd. It’s on the smog set and validates fine

[summer bobcat]

Ohwow

[cerulean karma]

can confirm it does get knock off

although in the current waterpon meta its illadvised

[reef sky]

I sort of feel like I should have some real speed control

[vague hemlock]

Hello I feel like this could probably be saved I’ll give you some of my suggestions

1. Focus blast > scorching sands on yard hits mega-tar switch ins very hard. Optional but could help vs weather wars.

2. Make gouging fire dragon dance lefties tera fairy or z is fine here

3. Is like to suggest av iron crown> alo so you don’t get completely booned every time lele comes in and can help sponge hits from the like of raging bolt.

[vague hemlock]

.

As far as speed goes I feel this is fine for a sun team.

[amber parrot]

https://pokepast.es/48978fa171a49a4d
Plz rate this, I actually tried this couple times but they all forfeited so I couldn't know how strong this is

[celest merlin]

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[next forge]

Pelipper should be Damp Rock to extend Rain duration, so it doesn't have to to come in after as often, risking itself getting OHKOd less. Replace Hydro Pump with Scald, Ice Beam with Defog, and change the EV spread to maximum defense to act as a bulky supportive pivot rather than an offensive threat which the rest of the team should do better.

Barraskewda should have a Choice Band since it mostly wants to spam Liquidation in Rain, so ditch the coverage moves for Aqua Jet, Flip Turn and Close Combat (for Ferrothorn).

Surskit isn't needed since Rain teams are already super fast thanks to Swift Swim effectively doubling speed. This also applies to Kleavor, since these hazard leads limit the wallbreaking potential of the rest of the team. I'd replace Surskit with Assault Vest Archaludon, who can spam Electro Shot in Rain to be a menacing special attacker with its unresisted STAB and either Body Press or Aura Sphere for Ferrothorn and possibly Blissey.

Mega Swampert should have Flip Turn over Rock Tomb since you already hit Flying types with Ice Punch.

Kleavor can be replaced with Iron Treads if you really want hazards, since it can come into Electric moves similarly to Swampert, can pivot with either Volt Switch or Eject Button, remove threats like Raging Bolt and Tapu Koko, and remove opposing hazards with Rapid Spin, helping Pelipper

Kingdra isn't that good IMO. I would rather use either Raging Bolt or Zapdos, both of which appreciating Mega Swampert and Barraskewda removing Ground type threats like Landorus-T for them to spam Electric moves, Draco Meteor and Hurricane respectively.

Kleavor can also be replaced with Ferrothorn to help against opposing Rain teams while still setting hazards, and appreciating Rain weakening it's fire weakness to a normal weakness compared to a quad weakness.

[amber parrot]

Dang I appreciate you so much.
https://pokepast.es/442893b39707f80c
Updated based on your advice. Thank you again and have a nice day 🙂

[feral canopy]

boots on zapdos

and tera flying, weather ball over tera bladt

max spat speed timid

max atk speed on barra

use the sample spread and set for arch

max hp max def on pellipet

use the sample set for treads

[timid kraken]

https://pokepast.es/3a35d70e6f506359

[feral canopy]

isnt this literally

just the chinese stall

but with boots on bliss

and no body press on dozo for some reason

[timid kraken]

?

Ah ok

[feral canopy]

u need press

if not waterpon owns

that and imo lefties on bliss is better

if ur running wishtech

otherwise its like

theres no changes kek

[reef sky]

Thanks for the advice! Quick question about the Z gouging set, how prone to getting worn down would it be without wishpassing and stuff?

[reef sky]

https://pokepast.es/dca4c3f5968f00e9

[next forge]

Ngl I'd just go choice band gouging fire for speed control under sun

Also immediate power ig

[reef sky]

Coin flip, eh?

I do like the punch from band, guess I’ll give it a go both ways

[vague hemlock]

You got reliable removal should be fine with fog kart and spin tusk

[reef sky]

Drop z on kart in favor of lefties if I do that then?

[feral canopy]

No

u need z

[vague hemlock]

^

[reef sky]

It’d be two z then?

With gouging and kart

[feral canopy]

make gouging band

[vague hemlock]

Ok yeah goug band will be fine

Scrap dd

[vague hemlock]

.

Mb forgot

[reef sky]

Yeah, no worries

Overall then it’s crown over alo and focus blast over sands on yard?

[vague hemlock]

Ye you can run focus blast if want it gets rid of stuff like mega Ttar faster which your sun team loves.

[reef sky]

That does sound pretty good

I just shy away from focus miss on principle

[vague hemlock]

Nah that’s fair lol

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/103240f0d87047d3

thoughts?

[merry delta]

You probably want raging bolt > Manaphy for opposing weather matchups

Maybe give treads some more hp invest so then it checks Tapu lele and rbolt and smidge better

[plush lintel]

i see

[merry delta]

Probably give arch more speed since I like to give arch a lot of speed for certain ground stuff / rbolt, 180 speed evs should do the trick

[plush lintel]

okay

[vague hemlock]

I think that pert probably wants ice punch > super power. Additionally, give arch body press > aura sphere.

[plush lintel]

this bolt set?

[plush lintel]

isnt archaludon more of a special attacker

[merry delta]

Probably with booster yea

[merry delta]

Still has stupid high defenses

[vague hemlock]

It is however stamina’s boost asw

[merry delta]

So body press is still doing a ton

[vague hemlock]

Body press ends up being stronger

A lot stronger

[plush lintel]

oh yeah thats insane haha

[plush lintel]

i take this out of what?

[vague hemlock]

Ice punch is so dnite don’t use you as fodder

[merry delta]

Hp

/ defense

[plush lintel]

bet

https://pokepast.es/a635bd94e66d32fe

[merry delta]

Consider Tera dragon / grass on Peli for pon

[plush lintel]

tera ground for electric type no?

i guess dragon could work too

[merry delta]

Well yea but dragon / grass does similar things

[plush lintel]

grass probably what i should run

since rain halves fire damage

but that doesnt deal with electric

so ill run dragon

also should i run hurricane for scald

[vague hemlock]

You should be fine treads check koko zap and bolt pretty reliably

[plush lintel]

oh okay cool

[vague hemlock]

Ineros you think that bolt should be pulse

[merry delta]

Oh yeah definitely

Didn’t see that

[plush lintel]

tried this team out and this archaludon guy really cooks hard

[vague hemlock]

Arch is really good in rain yea

[plush lintel]

any reason or is it just for the spatk drop

[merry delta]

Well with booster you definitely don’t want the spatk drop

[vague hemlock]

Cm Draco is only acceptable with z

[merry delta]

Ye

You know what the treads spread does?

[plush lintel]

you said hp invest so it checks lele and rbolt better

and smidge idk what that is

[plush lintel]

he said booster energy tho

[vague hemlock]

No what I’m saying is

[merry delta]

I meant like with full hp invest it will check those 2 better

Just make sure you still outspeed like

[vague hemlock]

Draco is only acceptable on calm mind if it’s dragon z set

[merry delta]

Specs lele

[plush lintel]

?

319 outspeeds leles 317

[merry delta]

Yea like this

This is good

[feral canopy]

aura sphere is better for ferrothorn

body press is better for blissey

[visual tartan]

https://pokepast.es/e52747bed89752ad thoughts?

[celest merlin]

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[vague hemlock]

Yeah I think personally you should run the samples till you have a comprehensive understanding of the Natdex ou meta and how team structures look and what mons go together. As of right now there is no clear direction with this team.

It seems to want to be HO but glowking, gliscor , and band azu (which is not viable) is an example of the issues with this team.

[visual tartan]

alr

ty

[vague hemlock]

Anytime

[uncut bramble]

Hi, mtar team https://pokepast.es/e52747bed89752ad
But I need a better steel mon to hit fairy and don't know what teras to use

[next forge]

Iron crown

[plush lintel]

where is the tar

[uncut bramble]

I sent the wrong team

Lol?

I might've pressed on someone's pokepaste

Sorry

https://pokepast.es/301a590991393fbc

[uncut bramble]

This is the right link

Using iron crown by Sami's suggestion

[plush lintel]

why ghostium z

is zoro for the mtar

[feral canopy]

that sure is one zapdos set

of all time

[vague hemlock]

Cool mons but there are many issues with this team. For one the mons don’t really go together the zapdos set and iron Val set is pretty unviable . Zoroark itself is big viable at all. Additionally, you have booster crown which is typically in hyper offense. I would highly suggest checking out samples for the Natdex ou meta so you can deepen your understanding of the metagame and team structures.

@feral canopy how do you link Natdex samples?

[feral canopy]

idk breh

i just do it manually

hard work and allat

[uncut bramble]

Yeah, I actually get a lot of KOs with it, got close to 1500 with other zoroark team

Im just really really bad with team building

Idk, I understand what a team needs but when I put everything together it gets really bad

[uncut bramble]

What should I use instead of zapdos? And what set should I go for crown? I never tried offensive steel mons

[feral canopy]

lol owned @vague hemlock

[feral canopy]

zapdos is fine

just that set is godawful

[vague hemlock]

Well the issue is there so much things that gotta be changed in this team it’s seemed unsalvageable.

[uncut bramble]

If I don't run defog the team will lack hazard control, no?

[uncut bramble]

Ah

Alr

[vague hemlock]

It would essentially not be your team anymore

Yea

[uncut bramble]

Would you change everything besides mtar and zoroark then?

[uncut bramble]

Asking it based on this

[vague hemlock]

No if you like tar you could build around it and maybe alo. Honestly though I wouldn’t recommend building right now though.

Till you have an understanding of what function well together

[uncut bramble]

kk tt

Ty*

[vague hemlock]

Np np

[visual tartan]

https://pokepast.es/8cd0a4fd0b9d8c4c
https://pokepast.es/38350d1574014ae7
ik both of these teams suck but which one is better

[simple tangle]

https://pokepast.es/fc425503aabddde1

Would anyone mind giving a quick critique of my team? I slightly modified a sample team and am looking for how to round it out a little better. I’m a pretty casual player who is understanding the game better and better. Just hit 1300 on the ladder (nothing impressive I know)

[celest merlin]

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[cerulean karma]

these sets aside from like Iron Crown are pretty terrible and u should probably run the sample sets for now

u probably also want to run Yard instead of Xard

[next forge]

"Slightly modified" no offense but this is not slightly

[cerulean karma]

wait this is a sample team?

why didn't u just use

the original build

[ember path]

Team 2; but both teams don’t hazard removal, and inteleon isn’t great

There are better options than alakazam and magnazone

[vague hemlock]

Why modify an already optimal team that’s proven to be successful? At this current moment in time I’d suggest running samples honestly otherwise it will l seemingly look like everything is just slapped together.

Like the sets for example are all suboptimal

[uncut bramble]

https://pokepast.es/23c1298db82e91a2

Went from 1000 to 1400 almost undefested but want suggestions to improve it

[celest merlin]

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[nocturne willow]

drop horoark

[uncut bramble]

I did look after a few sample teams for it

[uncut bramble]

Shit that was fast

What should I swap it for?

He scores a lot of ko's

And is my fight switch to use ghostinium z

Is there a better mon to use in his place? Or should I be looking for something else?

I also need a tera for alomo

[nocturne willow]

you dont really need a fighting type switch in espeiclaly since mega lopunny hits you anyways, but volc is always a solid pick

[uncut bramble]

I have alomo for lopunnt

Lopunny

She didn't hurt me at all

I haven't felt the weakness of the team at all

But I got tired of playing because most of the matches past 1200 were too long

At least the defensive core works really well, I hardly got close games

What would hit this team or be annoying to deal with?

[reef sky]

Yard provided it reads the ttar switch right

[uncut bramble]

What zard would do?

Oh, you meant if he switches after ttar to remove sandstorm?

[reef sky]

Focus blast

[uncut bramble]

But

Then I have zoroark?

[reef sky]

Yeah, you can manage it offensively for sure, it just rips apart alo and amoong and can snipe ttar with focus blast on the switch in

Which was my main though

[uncut bramble]

Alr, makes sense

Ty

[feral canopy]

stop changing samples

they are samples for a reason

they are not your own team, stop trying to pass it off as your own

[visual tartan]

like?

[feral canopy]

like tapu lele and heatran

[visual tartan]

alr

[ember path]

Magnet pull Magnezone doesn’t work all the time and if they have no steel type left or at all it doesn’t do much

It could be replaced by like Iron Crown or Raging Bolt

[simple tangle]

https://pokepast.es/fc425503aabddde1

Okay how about now

[ember path]

This is the exact same team you posted

[feral canopy]

also

use the sample bro

dont change what works

[next forge]

Don't fix what isn't broke

[solar valley]

https://pokepast.es/2f09a6380c387c8c
i tried making an HO

[celest merlin]

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[solar valley]

should i replace enam for darkarai or oger-w

[reef sky]

I just realized this is one Mon away from a sample, lol. (Gouging instead of bolt)

[ember path]

3 choice scarf?

[hardy flint]

would recommend

just trying out a sample first

or buildign ur team with the sample helping you

https://pokepast.es/e514657e8553d7cd

HO is very fast paced

having your mons choice locked isnt good for HO, you wanna set up and sweep

[next forge]

[hardy flint]

.

this is why i dont do shit

LOLl

[next forge]

Sorry

Sorry

[hot horizon]

YOOO Pretty standard rain, but it’s COOKING around 1300 on the ladder. It kinda gets bodied by Charizard Y and Ogerpon W, any tips? https://pokepast.es/6ec4033b1602772c

[celest merlin]

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[reef sky]

https://pokepast.es/c6dd8aff42602d2a

[vague hemlock]

Hello I could suggest some changes for you.

1. Make pelli tera dragon (allows you to emergency pivot into yard or answer ogerpon back with a hurricane if needed)

2. Since you are already running arch/pert I feel you could drop treads for something that could help your yard mu which is booster raging bolt.

3. Dragonite I feel could be nastyplot torn.

4. Make barra tera ghost to not lose to common revenge killers like espeed dnite or mega lop.

[vague hemlock]

Sorry to inform you kart at least as an immediate breaker is unfortunately outclassed by things. Secondly, this goes deeper than its awkward speed tier it’s fairly easy to pivot into and it’s can be vulnerable to status something that can stop its breaking potential. Thats why it’s usually reserved as a scarfer which is where it shines most which is late game. Occasionally you see grass z sets alongside yard however.

Its partner last gen magnezone has also fallen to the wayside courtesy of Tera.

[hot horizon]

Got it, thx 🙏

[vague hemlock]

Anytime

[reef sky]

That’s a shame, thanks for taking a look

[hot horizon]

Should bolt be specially defensive or offensive?

And should I make it something like tera poison?

or just fairy

or elec?

Because treads was a perfect switch in to something like tapu lele

which kinda forced a KO if it comes in on peli or arch using rocks or draco

[vague hemlock]

Offensive bolt always. As long as you manage to keep rain you can always outspeed and threaten lele + Lele doesn’t really come in safely on anything here.

[vague hemlock]

Np if you come with another build we’d be happy to help. Enjoy your day!

[vague hemlock]

Yes booster tera fairy cm set

[hot horizon]

So like, 252+ spatk, 252 speed?

[hot horizon]

👍

[hot horizon]

or 252 hp, rather?

[vague hemlock]

Raging Bolt @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderclap
• Dragon Pulse
• Weather Ball
• Calm Mind

This one

[hot horizon]

Got it, thanks!

[vague hemlock]

Np bro gl

[hot horizon]

What about thunder

[vague hemlock]

Yeah you could drop weather ball for another electric stab

I personally think thunder is a bit greedy thunderbolt does just fine

Cause there will be some turns sometimes with no rain

[hot horizon]

Hmmm

Idk, I’ll do a bit of testing

[vague hemlock]

Go for it

[hot horizon]

I think I prefer thunder ngl

it’s greedy, but it eviscerates everything after a single cm

[vague hemlock]

If it works for you Alr just becareful on other weather mu

[reef sky]

https://pokepast.es/d43181bc58e5435d

[celest merlin]

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[reef sky]

Every time, I feel like the bot's calling me out for making another bad team

[visual tartan]

same

[cerulean karma]

the bot is there to read the paste format so it can properly ping raters

so we can provide constructive feedback

[vague hemlock]

Hi there this is honestly not bad at all. However I would suggest a couple small changes. I feel this team doesn’t need spikes as much and I feel it’s wants another way to punish lop and it needs to be slightly better into gouging fire.

1. So this leads me to suggest toxic defog Lando over glisc with helmet here tera water.

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Defog
• Toxic

2.don’t feel very strongly about defog zapdos I feel it wants to coverage to pressure ferro/gliscor depending on the team since you have diancie with mfire already I would highly suggest going hp Ice over Defog here.

Your four moves imo should be discharge, roost, hp Ice, and volt.

I think that’s the only suggestions I have it was fairly solid already from my eyes. Goodluck!

@reef sky whenever you see this

[reef sky]

I’ve been using defog zap on other teams, and it definitely does feel like it just blanks when I need to bring it in on grounds and stuff(I cannot land a hurricane to save my life)

[vague hemlock]

Ya lowkey why I’m not fond of fog zap haha.

It really wants the other coverage most of the time

[drifting star]

https://pokepast.es/033ac139c9e38e65

[celest merlin]

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[hardy flint]

fog zap is good. frick h

u

[vague hemlock]

Nah it’s sus to me frick u

[hardy flint]

dude..

frick. off.

[reef sky]

what attacks do you end up bringing on it?

[cerulean karma]

the fact that this basically looks like an SV OU team + Pigeot and also the fact that its ur fastest mon is setting off red flags for me

Koko seems insanely annoying for this team as an example

[hardy flint]

Cane volt should be ur go to

depending on ur team

u can add heat wave or hp ice

[vague hemlock]

As much as it pains me to say. I do feel like this is grounds for trying a sample team. I do like the nice unique choice of mons you went with but it does feel slapped together.

[hardy flint]

imo

[drifting star]

My bad I'm kinda new to competitive

[vague hemlock]

^ Yeah I’m not fond of hurricane I would agree with this if you decide to keep running fog zap.

Still not my fav fogger but at least it pressures rockers with fire or ice coverage depending on your teams needs.

[vague hemlock]

We all start somewhere. Thats what we’re here for keep at it though. The samples will help you build a more comprehensive understanding of the meta and team structures.

[drifting star]

I'll try them out

[feral canopy]

[feral canopy]

why do u need cane if u run one of these already anyways

[hardy flint]

what does this even mean

@feral canopy mind explaining

[feral canopy]

.

BYE!

[hardy flint]

ok

ya

keep ur DUMB comments to urself.

[feral canopy]

.

pepedumb

[hardy flint]

you

[vague hemlock]

Ok let’s shitpost somewhere else

[ember path]

https://pokepast.es/2824f5c20c2fb631 https://pokepast.es/f319275956e48f8f which one is better; and tell me somthing I could change to make it better

I have found very good success with these

And I forgot to give them better Tera types

[vague hemlock]

It’s ok for the most part (both) I would suggest a few changes though.

1. Make crown tera fairy

2. I don’t really like defensive/utility torn in this meta I think you should go with something a bit more aggressive like zapdos and you would make that tera dragon.

3. I would drop dozo for something that applies more immediate offensive pressure+ speed control is needed so scarf urshifu rapid I would suggest over dozo.

Make lando toxic > stone edge and Uturn > knock and make it tera water

Here is a more standard spread

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: water
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Defog
• Toxic

[ember path]

Ok

[vague hemlock]

Good luck hopefully my suggestions help

[ember path]

I just replaced dondozo

[vague hemlock]

Gotcha

[ember path]

Is there something pacific? That landerous outspeed with those Pacific ev’s

[vague hemlock]

Yes I believe it’s uh give me a sec

[reef sky]

I’m considering dropping cane for hp ice, just to have a good button to click when I need to bring it in on an eq

[vague hemlock]

Oh wrong spread I gave

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Defog
• Toxic

Outspeeds modest Tran

[vague hemlock]

.

[ember path]

Alright

[vague hemlock]

Do you need the zapdos and urshifu sets

Or you feel fine

I would suggest discharge, hp Ice,volt, roost

[ember path]

I just got close combat, strikes, ice punch, uturn

[vague hemlock]

For zap

Do ice spinner over punch

It’s stronger too

[ember path]

I honestly don’t know what to replace with zapdos

[vague hemlock]

Torn

Torn still has a place in natdex but it has more of an offensive role usually on rain

But zapdos is better here I’d say

[ember path]

I’m guessing the usual assault vest, defog roost

Not assault vest

[vague hemlock]

Nah boots

Ah

[ember path]

Heavy duty boots, I meant

[vague hemlock]

Yep

Zap also pressures the annoying gliscor a bit better

[ember path]

Is it a pro or con to have 2 defoggers?

[vague hemlock]

For here I’d say it’s a con

Oh wait you have a Ttar you can drop lando for drill if you want

Excadrill

You can run fog zap then if you want since I don’t think drill as solo removal is reliable

Defog volt hp Ice roost

[ember path]

I was originally going for more bulky team

[vague hemlock]

Ah teams with Ttar tend to be more offensively oriented at least in current gen Natdex

Dozo really likes to rest without sandchip too which is a big reason I was not fond of it here

Plus it’s a stall/ really fat balance exclusive

[ember path]

I didn’t think about that

[vague hemlock]

Yep

[ember path]

I’ll try it out

[vague hemlock]

Sounds good Goodluck

[blissful crescent]

https://pokepast.es/e6311aef48c75a78

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[blissful crescent]

how much better is this rain team compared to before?

[merry delta]

Imo u want Ferro over shifu here I don’t the point in it when you have Barra and swamp already

Ferro is also more reliable into bolt and lele

Maybe like chople berry twave

You can be specs torn if you want but it’s not necessary, probably have fly z instead of boots tho

This needs a rbolt now thinking of it but idt where it would slot

Maybe over torn and have peli and ferro be the ways to deal with grounds?

[blissful crescent]

What if i want to keep shifu?

[vague hemlock]

It’s not recommended

A lot of overlap

Other weather/playstyles need to be considered

[nocturne willow]

slurpuff is unviable in ou

[potent egret]

Really where can I use this team

I don’t know much about teirs I don’t usually do smogon just sv

[merry delta]

I recommend using samples first if you are planning to learn the tier competitively. Not only are some of the sets questionable (slurpuff, mtar, kart), it doesn’t look equipped to handle meta threats and it doesn’t really have any synergy

https://www.smogon.com/articles/getting-started https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/ https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-viability-rankings.3714511/

These resources will help immensely

Last 2 are nd specific, but the first explains the whole tiering system

I’d highly recommend looking at the most vr slate docs btw, it will give you an ok grasp of knowledge on the metagame before you ladder / test teams. Check the smogdex for starting sets to use as well

[potent egret]

Thank you I appreciate it I’ll try to learn about the current meta

[worthy pier]

https://pokepast.es/318359397a8e9e1b

[celest merlin]

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[reef sky]

What team style do want this to be?

[worthy pier]

hyper offense with a wall inbetween

[reef sky]

Bc sash glimmora is exclusively an ho thing

[nocturne willow]

hyper offense can't relaly run a wall

if you have a wall they sink the momentum of your team and allow your opopnents to set up hazards/heal/setup their own sweepers

[worthy pier]

glmmiro dies

[nocturne willow]

also unfortunately charizard x is literally just a worse gouging fire

[worthy pier]

xard subs, sd, ss then flare blitzs 3 pokemon

dies

then ttar just there for checks toxard

[nocturne willow]

but like this doesn't really work in practice

you struggle into heatran, get revenged by urshifu, struggle into lando, struggle into pex, struggle into garg, mola, dozo

o yeah and gliscor

[worthy pier]

heatran is checked by tusk

urishfu revenge killing isnt problamatic for me

garg is one of my issue

[nocturne willow]

on paper you check these mons, but in practice you'll find that you don't actually perform that well

tusk hates switching into toxic/magma storm

[worthy pier]

ill try a few matches

thx for the feedback

it seems good

doe i do struggle againt tpex

rest of wut u mentioned is not causing issues

[nocturne willow]

you're testing in low ladder 😭

look, i cant do much if you dont accept my advice, but there's a reason charizard x is unranked on the vr

and its not because people haven't discovered new sets or innovations

gouging has similar if not better stats in almost all areas, has basically the same movepool, can hold z crystals or booster, and only have 1/4 weakness to rocks compared to zard's 1/2 when it first comes in

furthermore, pex and ferro are never seen on hyper offense because its antithetical to the style's very identity

hyper offense is all about overwhelming walls with constant offense: pex and ferro do the opposite, slowing down the pace and allowing your opponent to heal up, set hazards, and slow the game down, which directly hurts hyper offense

if your team does not make the most use out of glimmora's hazards, you are essentially playing 5v6, and that is what you are doing with pex and ferro

similarly, assault vest tusk just is not good: it doesn't have the bulk to actually check any special threats, nor the recovery necessary

threats like tapu lele, koko, torn-t, crown, val, kyurem, serp all still chunk you for massive damage due to hitting you super effectively, while heatran can chip you down with magma storm and hazards, or toxic

trust me when i say this team is unfortunately unviable: it may have looked good on paper, but in practice it has a lot of issues that simply hold it back

if you want an example of hyper offense teams, you can look at the sample teams: this is an example hyper offense

https://pokepast.es/e514657e8553d7cd

you can see how it stacks multiple sweepers like gouging, crown, wellspring, and dnite, as well as a hazard lead in lando, and a wallbreaker in mega diance

[worthy pier]

https://pokepast.es/adf13874f055449b

[next forge]

Don't use manual weather it's not worth it

Also don't use choice band mons on HO teams it's not a good idea since they're very easy to punish

[plush lintel]

you are NOT me

team looks like OU

[plush lintel]

does diancie usually run endeavor

[feral canopy]

it does on that team

[plush lintel]

any particular reason

[next forge]

It's a lead

Good damage cuz dianice has barely any hp

[celest merlin]

Diancie-Mega (Gen 9)

Typing

Rock / Fairy

Abilities

0: Magic Bounce

Base Stats (BST: 700)

50 / 160 / 110 / 160 / 110 / 110

Weight

27.8 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[feral canopy]

because its meant to work as a lead, set rocks and do as much damage to important targets before it dies early on in the battle to mantain spikes

[nova arrow]

Trying to Do Balance or Offense and this is what I got: https://pokepast.es/f454b3d74dc47217
Looking for Improvements

[celest merlin]

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[nocturne willow]

if you're running grimmsnarl screens it has to be hyper offense

[nova arrow]

who should I switch him out for

I wanna try and keep it a lil closer to balance

[vague hemlock]

I think it will be more towards bulky offense but I would suggest

1. Making urshifu tera water
2. Make Volc tera steel bulky variant

Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
Hidden Power: Ground
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 200 Def / 60 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flamethrower
• Quiver Dance
• Hidden Power [Ground]
• Roost

3.i think shifu can be scarf here
Moves: surging strikes, Close combat, u-turn, and ice spinner.

4. I feel kyurem here can be a sub dd variant taking advantage of its partner serps glare.

5.I feel you could Drop grim for a ground preferably lando with helmet and fog.

That’s what I would suggest hope that helps.

[vague hemlock]

.

[nova arrow]

what move should I drop on Kyurem

Roost?

[vague hemlock]

I would probably suggest dd,sub, tect, spear with lefties tera poison a very annoying set to deal with. ( Roost or tect is fine)

Tera poison allows you to resist incoming fairy and fighting moves which can be handy for kyurem.

Kyurem @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 56 HP / 228 Def / 224 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Protect
• Icicle Spear
• Substitute

[ripe echo]

https://pokepast.es/97782f3986b564bb Balance - What do?

[fleet kite]

https://pokepast.es/776254c99b3bafe7
opinion? I wanted an offensive team with hazard control but i feel somethings missing

[ember path]

https://pokepast.es/ac6f4e61a3f157b5 made a bit better but I’m having lots of trouble fighting mega loppuny & mega sabeleye

[vague hemlock]

I understand why.. that zapdos spread needs fixing

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 240 Def / 20 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

• Volt Switch
• discharge
• Hidden Power Ice
• Roost

Between helmet lando, scarf urshifu abd zap it should help with lop

As for mega sab you can take advantage of with sub serp and force it out

[merry delta]

Looks standard-ish but we need to fix the sets here

Probably take some hp and put around 96 into attack on mtar

Serp should probably be hp fire > Tera blast with 56 hp EVs for some sub calcs (Rotom w hydro and ferro pwhip)

No eq Lando is all wack, for Helm Lando here probably go this Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• U-turn
• Defog
• Taunt

[ember path]

I see

[ember path]

What evs

[merry delta]

Erm

I messed up that wording

Max attack adamant 96 speed rest in hp

[ember path]

What does tyranitar outspeed with the extra 96

[merry delta]

Max speed Luna / Mmaw and anything that tries to creep that

[ember path]

What's Luna

[merry delta]

Ursaluna

[ember path]

Ok

[ember path]

Hidden power or terra blast

[vague hemlock]

Hidden power

[ember path]

Why would they be using hydro pump to hit serperior

It wouldn’t break the substitute but why would they still use hydro pump

Or power whip

[merry delta]

Allows you to setup sub safely and win easier

[ripe echo]

https://pokepast.es/97782f3986b564bb Balance team. Feel like I have trouble switching in to physical attacks, maybe I make gliscor physically defensive?

[next forge]

change tornadus into a corviknight (or not idk) and change gliscor into a landorus-t https://pokepast.es/ee04ca7afb647605

[celest merlin]

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[next forge]

can u shut up

[cerulean karma]

own em king

[next forge]

acc yeah corv is better cuz otherwise this team has no triple axel switch ins from weavile

and it gives u a steel type

[ripe echo]

corv switch is big, I like that, the team definitely needed a steel type. Lando also makes sense. Why double helmet over lefties?

[next forge]

personal preference

idt it makes too much of a difference

if u prefer lefties

[ripe echo]

I mean I just haven't tried it before, we'll see how it goes lol

[next forge]

oh actually it does fuck with scarf urshifu more

which might be usefukl

esp if its spamming uturn

[ripe echo]

ty

[sage garden]

https://pokepast.es/b8e62c7a718bd6cd

[celest merlin]

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[reef sky]

Corv doesn’t fit on hyper offense

[sage garden]

okay what should I replace it with?

[vague hemlock]

I’m gonna be honest it’s hard to edit this team without completely revamping its foundation. I suggest you try samples to see what the meta looks like.

https://pokepast.es/5affbcdbe93c00fa this is a fair example of a hyper offensive team

[ember path]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2185588800-vxghl5pprjc0q5ohcc4sbowrvrqrw0epw starting to think stall is invincible

[nocturne willow]

!replays

[celest merlin]

See rule 1 of https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1030567099703242903

[next forge]

[ember path]

How do you beat that

[nocturne willow]

sami if you dont want to give advice and just want to send troll messages you should go to a different server

i dont understand why you talk in this chat just to post a "haha funny message"

[nocturne willow]

you kinda played pretty poorly here, you tried to break it with offensive pressure when you should've tried to chip with hazards instead, you sacced urshifu turn one to the obvious wisp from sableye, and you preserved the wrong mons (serp was going to do jackshit to this team)

[feral canopy]

tar + ur breakers 6-0es this stall without even thinking

but u sacked all ur tar hp for nothing, and ur urshifu t1, and u reversed all the progress ur crown made

[lavish sable]

https://pokepast.es/80d09d33c74bc659

Can someone help rate/adjust my team

Been playing for a month

Enam and a spa atk sweeper
Roaring moon as a breaker
Slo-g to help vs stall

[merry delta]

Roaring moon is banned in nd

[next forge]

U sure this isnt for SV OU

Cuz roaring moon is banned here

TWave Zapdos and Scarf Enamorus are SV OU things too

[celest merlin]

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[nocturne willow]

This is a team with no natdex ou Pokémon in natdex ou

At this point just take it to natdex ru bro

??

[cerulean karma]

huh

[nocturne willow]

Ok, teams posted in this channel should be made by yourself yes

But my point was this team doesn’t have a single Natdex OU mon, and thus would be suited for a lower tier where the mons would be around other threats of equal power level

Instead of the much higher levels of Natdex OU

[merry delta]

Now this doesn’t mean all of ur mons should be OU but none of these guys are viable in the slightest

[next forge]

Yeah there are UU and sometiems even RU rated mons that are good in OU

Like ting lu is UU yet hes B tier iirc

although i have been seeing a sudden surge in mega camerupt trick room teams on ladder...

[thorny gyro]

anyone have a bulky offense ?

[merry delta]

We rate teams here so it’s probably better to ask in the compgen chats. However I’ll DM you some BO teams

[thorny gyro]

ok ty

[thorny gyro]

https://pokepast.es/b31829f56dd10154 can you rate this one for me pls ?

[hard creek]

https://pokepast.es/ba9d20f186e3ec26

[merry delta]

This is an old sample team. It’s outdated a bit though so probably best to use a different team

[thorny gyro]

it just sent, I wrote like 5 minutes before your DM

m

mb

[feral canopy]

No

Stop posting teams that arent yours

read the rules

[stuck berry]

https://pokepast.es/39a4c418ef7e1809

[celest merlin]

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[stuck berry]

HO ^

[cerulean karma]

this is not a good HO at all

most HOs are based around setup sweepers, not the amount of damage they can instantly output

[stuck berry]

i mean it works lmao

[cerulean karma]

now u cant just

actually nvm im gonna miss the point if I call that out

it doesnt work as well as u think and that can be proven by asking yourself how high you've gotten on the ladder / what percentage of games do you win on a given run

[stuck berry]

top 12 in natdex

but ait

that was last year when pult wasnt banned yet tho, didnt run the op set but it was a setupper

[nocturne willow]

This team isn’t good

2/6 aren’t even ranked in the natdex ou vr that’s how ass they are

[cerulean karma]

how do u go from 1700+ to 1400 with 5X% gxe

like surely something has gone downhill

[stuck berry]

i barely played or i used work in progress teams lol + diff acc

[cerulean karma]

again I am missing the point

[stuck berry]

i quit playing u lose rating over time when u dont play no?

above 1500

[cerulean karma]

because i dont want to go on this back and forth on why this team isnt going to be consistent / good etc

[stuck berry]

then i just logged on to try random teams like this

[cerulean karma]

ur gxe doesnt drop at all

[stuck berry]

that been updated or what, on this acc i played last on 1700 then came back to 1520 and then tried smt like that aero team

[cerulean karma]

and ur again 5X% gxe which is not on par with most of the high ladder alts

[stuck berry]

yeah this isnt the alt

lol

[cerulean karma]

and AGAIN i dont want to discuss this further because its a pointless back and forth

[stuck berry]

this is a random acc i try teams on

[cerulean karma]

the team is not good, an "easy" change would be to

[nocturne willow]

I don’t know why you bring teams here if you aren’t willing to listen to the raters

Either listen to what Runo is saying or don’t post here in the first place

[cerulean karma]

remove Garg, remove all of the choice mons, remove mega banette, shove 5 setup sweepers that hit hard and are decently fast / can boost speed

[nocturne willow]

If you were seeking validation, this is not the right place

[stuck berry]

if ur about to tell me how to play xurk then im not using hypnosis.
i was about to say that im hearing out suggestions but if ppl here arent on board of diffrent playstyles then i am not.

[nocturne willow]

Then leave this channel

[stuck berry]

this was considered HO last year atleast idk if its considered that anymore

xurk hypnosis is instantly defeated by the fact im using electric terrain

[cerulean karma]

idk who told u that but that is not what most people consider to be a viable HO

[stuck berry]

yes not now lmao last year it was

a year or two somewhere inbetween not 100% sure

[cerulean karma]

im referring to last year

[stuck berry]

yeah this is what i was told to be an ho team so i called it that so what lol

it isnt like this is a defensive team

idk what u wanna call it, if its a team that has 5 setuppers then im not doing ho lol

just the idea of that sounds like it isnt gonna work out

so what would u call a team that is offensive but not 5 sweepers like u say is considered HO

just offensive?

[cerulean karma]

offense

the reason why HO is typically just setup spam is because nearly everything else

sinks ur momentum

[stuck berry]

.

[cerulean karma]

and with no defensive fallbacks that grts rly vad

[stuck berry]

tbh idk why i run specs valiant i kinda just forgot it on lol

someone told me to try

[stuck berry]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2187048142

defensive fallback he says

[cerulean karma]

what is this trying to prove

[stuck berry]

oh wait that isnt the game i 6-0d with garg sry

[cerulean karma]

when you have self described your own team to not be HO

or a standard HO

at least

[stuck berry]

.

[cerulean karma]

ok

what exactly do you want from me then

[stuck berry]

i was told like 1-2 years ago its called a ho team back then, i called it now idk what it is lol

i mean u need to try the team to be able to say what i can or cant do

but yeah

you prolly wont do that

if u dont understand my playstyle then so be it xD

[cerulean karma]

u should already have an idea of what you struggle with before coming here

[stuck berry]

tapu lele on certain occasions

where i dont have my banette which i save for endgame

what do you think are problems for a team like that ill lyk how i play them

banette is out of the meta again so some ppl just dont know how to play against it lol any move that doesnt deal dmg i encore, any move that deals dmg i bbond + poltergeist since it hits like a truck lol

anyways looks like ur not even here anymore so ill stop talking

with a fast team i dont need to spend turns racking attack points up that will get encored bbonded or willowisped anyway id rather play more aggressive and do it straight off the bat without wasting time, easier to predict an opponent and overall just suits how i play better. trust me ive tried setup teams before

this isnt the first time im playing xD ofc metas change im just trying to grasp how it is rn but it seems pretty simple

[nocturne willow]

None of these mons belong in hyper offense and 1/3rd of your team isn’t viable in OU

[stuck berry]

which ones again?

[nocturne willow]

Mega bannette and xurk

[stuck berry]

you say that yet u dont know how good they can be if u know how to play them XD

why do u think they were meta before

[stuck berry]

if u read any of my comments on this i said im not sure what its called now but back then someone called it a HO team idk what it can be called now

[nocturne willow]

Do you understand the passage of time?

[stuck berry]

yeah i do, i play around it

lol

[nocturne willow]

Clearly you don’t

This team is unviable, scrap it and check out the natdex ou sample teams for a good reflection of the current metagame

[stuck berry]

anyway ill lyk when im in top 500 see u then

im not going to become a team copyer lmao

[nocturne willow]

And if you insist on coming to this channel to seek validation instead of advice, you will be blacklisted

[stuck berry]

i was looking for advice but people clearly just want others to play by their style, i wont post here again but ill lyk when im in top 500, also i am not going to copy others teams, its a strategy game. i like to do things my way

[nocturne willow]

I don’t understand why you think top 500 is some illusive achievement that us mere raters can never reach

[stuck berry]

nah im sure lots can lol

its just that people tend to be better higher up yk, around top 500s im sure youd say my team cant do anything

[nocturne willow]

I’m sure you can cheese a win every now and then

[stuck berry]

or how high do you want me to go for

[nocturne willow]

Doesn’t change the fact that this team is fundamentally flawed

[stuck berry]

i still havent got an explanation on how

[nocturne willow]

Win a tournament using this team and I’ll shut up

[stuck berry]

i dont rly play tournaments, didnt know this even hosts them

obv ill make changes to the team related on the meta, that team isnt perfect for me either lol

anyway are the tournaments on this site or showdown tournaments etc etc

[nocturne willow]

Once again, 1/3rd of this team isn’t even viable in the tier, screens koko locks you into HO yet youre running two choiced mons one of which is running cc on a specs set, and then you’re also running garg on a ho team

This team sucks

[stuck berry]

three

[nocturne willow]

I’m not counting the unviable mons

[stuck berry]

its not a ho team clearly if all you say its 5 setuppers then thats smt else i just called out what it was called by someone here

[vague hemlock]

agree with everything faya says I highly recommend you look at samples

If you can’t take the advice feel free to continue what you’re doing

[stuck berry]

dont like to be a copycat in strategy games, yeah ik

so many ppl run the same sets you wouldnt even know

[nocturne willow]

And yet most of the top players use teams built by others

So

[stuck berry]

the way i play is i go around those meta teams lol

archaludon, lele etc etc isnt a problem if i play by their teams

[vague hemlock]

Alright guess we can just let this one go then

[stuck berry]

yeah i wont post here again, adios and have a good day

[next forge]

On a sidenote how tf is tapu koko "envy" and not mega banette when all of its dex entries for the latter have it obsess over its trainer

[nocturne willow]

Stop posting nonsense and trying to revive an already solved conversation

It's genuinely annoying and if you don't have something helpful to say don't post here

[rigid torrent]

https://pokepast.es/a126465cb9644229

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rigid torrent]

I'm just going for lop offense

I took inspiration from empo lop fat sm ou

https://pokepast.es/600e60d5b899f4e5

[next forge]

ngl id prob go rocks on gliscor over spikes to pressure zardy a bit more

cuz ur only check to that is raging bolt

which can be worn down p easily even with mola

also this team looks passive and idrk how u beat iron crown

[rigid torrent]

Oh yh

I had chansey before

But it wasn't doing its job very well

[next forge]

yeah chansey doesnt work here that is a huge momentum sink + kinda passive asw

[next forge]

what does skele even do here

[rigid torrent]

No clue

[next forge]

https://pokepast.es/754785ba2c35bc00

idk if this a major stet up from the original but

replaced gliscor with ting lu to better handle pokemon like iron crown while helping corviknight not get too overwhelmed with tapu lele, while appreciating the ladder helping against iron valiant, and mola healing it up with wish

replaced skeledirge with ogerpon since skeledirge isnt really needed (ig outside of fairy type MU but most of them beat it anyways), and ogerpon is a decent ground switch in, good speed control with tera and punishes lando lead with defiant (good for mlop)

originally i was gonna go rilla over ogerpon but going stomping on tinglu sucks and its much worse speed control compared to ogerpon (and its not majorly bulkier anyways)

[feral canopy]

isnt this

literally

the empo team

https://pokepast.es/600e60d5b899f4e5

nvm diff team

My bad

[feral canopy]

think this kinda

detracts from the original idea of the team

going from a bulkier balanced build to p much just a alo bo

idk

[next forge]

yeah ngl fat isnt that good anyways

and idk how you would build fat with mlop

for this tier

[feral canopy]

looks like it cld struggle vs maw stuff still though

@ your build

[next forge]

maybe body press

over bbird on corv

[sacred shoal]

.

[spice ember]

any improvements for this team? seems like dragons could be problematic

https://pokepast.es/1845e063d283d634

[next forge]

dont use ditto and alolan muk

ditto is just too inconsistent and alolan muk is done better by ting lu

i would say dont use moltres asw but there are ppl out there that think that guy is good and ig it kinda fits here

although u could prob just go defog gliscor + real fire resist (like mola or pex)

[bold belfry]

https://pokepast.es/db866140c2878ba5 psychic blast on keld is to hit pex while also being able to defensive tera on lele

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bold belfry]

i feel i might be a bit weak to hazards

[feral canopy]

why are u using keldeo and mega gardevoir instead of tapu lele and urshifu rapid strike

and what is the point of the mgarde/lele if there is already a gking there to help the keldeo/urshifu break

[bold belfry]

if i replace keldeo with urshifu what should I make lele?

[vague hemlock]

There are more issues here than just that. It’s not really salvageable so much changes would have to made it would essentially not be your team anymore. I would recommend you take a look at our samples and viability rankings to further familiarize yourself with the meta.

!natdexsamples

[celest merlin]

National Dex (ND) Sample Teams
Gen 9 ND Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712170/
Gen 9 ND OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3714863/
Gen 9 ND UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3725988/
Gen 9 ND RU: WIP
Gen 9 ND Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3733806/post-9920936
Gen 9 ND Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3720802/
Gen 8 ND OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3716948/post-9521589
Gen 8 ND UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3672486/
Last Updated <t:1708502787:f>

[vague hemlock]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-viability-rankings.3714511/

[cerulean sky]

https://pokepast.es/b6d42ee10b1ad031

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @dusk flare, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cerulean sky]

what should i change

[vague hemlock]

Hello here are some changes i suggest

1. Give alolan-ninetales hypnosis > pain split

2.calm mind > agility on iron crown and give it booster energy and make it tera fighting.

3. Make tusk bulk up tera steel with close combat , ice spinner , spin

4. Run this kyu set
   Kyurem @ Loaded Dice
   Ability: Pressure
   EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
   Tera Type: Ground
   Jolly Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Scale Shot
• Icicle Spear
• Tera Blast

5. Give ogerpon super power > taunt.

Those are the changes I suggest I hope they are beneficial to you.

Also I think Tera steel is more beneficial for volc you retain are able to resist leles stabs and potentially set up on it

And still immune to toxic

[plush lintel]

https://pokepast.es/5d7f82fe3a62fdd2

how does this team look?

i realize im using a lot of low tier mons like r-wash kart and kyurem (by low tier i mean like b or b+ or smth in viability rankings)

might be really bad honestly ill try building one using better mons

[vague hemlock]

Hmm going old school ss Natdex ou huh? Well I would say this is not too bad well anyway here the changes I suggest

1. Go Tera Ice on kyurem

2. Drop kart Idt it’s really needed here for corv

Corviknight @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 184 Def / 76 SpD
Tera Type: Dragon
Impish Nature

• Roost
• Brave Bird
• Defog
• U-turn

3. Rotom is in a pretty dire spot as it is and that’s not even considering it as a hazard removal. This leads me to suggest a more reliable pivot

Slowking-Galar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Tera Type: Dragon
Sassy Nature

• Future Sight
• Chilly Reception
• Sludge Bomb
• Thunder Wave

It also helps lop break with future sight and chilli reception sets up snow which makes kyurem harder to beat. (Defense boost by nature of its ice typing)

[vague hemlock]

.

[plush lintel]

thank you so much

[vague hemlock]

Np bro

[plush lintel]

can we in some way preserve kartana or no, cause i really like it tbh

that being said

i do notice we need a defog/spinner

[vague hemlock]

Corv is the fogger now

But if you keep it you could drop fourth move on kart for Defog

[plush lintel]

oh yeah

thats true

i have seen scarf defog sets

[vague hemlock]

Corv is just more reliable defensively that’s why

Much more

Your team is pretty good offensively without it already

And lop is good speed control

But you can try two variants

And see what works

[plush lintel]

true true

[vague hemlock]

Gl

[plush lintel]

aight ima try this out, thanks a lot

have a great day

[vague hemlock]

🫡

You too

[plush lintel]

also if i swap out one of kart's moves for defog, which one shuld it be

[vague hemlock]

Hol up

Knock

[plush lintel]

bet bet

thanks

[vague hemlock]

Np

[terse solstice]

https://pokepast.es/2c55baa6d411862d

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[terse solstice]

i tried making a mega altaris team idk if this good or not

[nocturne willow]

lumineon is completely unviable in ou

[terse solstice]

yeah i was goinf ti replace it with an azumarill trap set

[next forge]

Why is ur ferro just max hp

What happened to the rest of the evs

[terse solstice]

that was a mistake i fixed it

the azumarill trap set is pretty niche ngl is huge power just a better option

[vague hemlock]

I highly suggest you just go with samples at this point this is very random as the others stated.

[worthy pier]

https://pokepast.es/87726ce4e9721d54

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[merry delta]

This team is extremely water weak, and the team can’t support xard well as it only really fits on specific ho teams

[worthy pier]

huh water weakness, what do u recommend?

@merry delta

[dusky carbon]

Just run gouging bro

[worthy pier]

nu

xard stays

[next forge]

Xard sucks tho

Esp outside of HO

And even on HO it's not as good as gouging who has access to zmoves and tera

And better bulk all while not taking up a mega slot

[worthy pier]

but xard is xard

[next forge]

I mean the only reason u would ever choose zardx over gouging is because it outspeeds +1 lele and shifu but that only matters in a HO context

So ur better off ditching the balance build and going full ahao

Ho

[worthy pier]

so wut u recommend?

@next forge

i expect swapping zap and mag

for maybe tapu koko and ogerporn wellspring

[next forge]

https://pokepast.es/ee607b3a6078c20b

Lead Lando to prevent rocks and set rocks for better sweeps, replaced Uturn on Urshifu with SD and Roost on ZardX for Earthquake. Iron Valiant takes better care of opposing Dragon types and Serperior helps deal with Ground types, with Iron Crown helps with Fairy types also

I still heavily recommend gouging over zardx tho

[worthy pier]

so who do i swap?

[next forge]

Bro just use the team I sent u

No need to worry abt that

[narrow locust]

Could someone give me examples of viable teams with the list of the following Pokémon? (I’m new to singles)
Slowking-Galar
Hydrapple
Ditto
Heatran
Cinderace
Dragapult
Dragonite
Glimmora
Samurott-Hisui
Walking Wake
mimikyu
Kingambit
Hatterene
Great Tusk

Or any recommended places to look

[next forge]

last time i checked a pokemon team can only have 6 pkmn

also this is #1051236342740308089 not build a team for me

btw dragapult, walking wake, kingambit and chi yu are banned

[narrow locust]

Yeah I’m probably thinking of a different Ou then, maybe SV

[narrow locust]

Did you read it?

[next forge]

.

[narrow locust]

I’m aware it isn’t build a team for me but I’m new, I’m asking for tips/help and if not then a recommendation of where to look

[next forge]

u could ask in the ou discord server

[celest merlin]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[next forge]

(btw chi yu is still banned there)

[narrow locust]

This is the smogon one it’s much bigger and more active

[narrow locust]

Cheers, removed it

[next forge]

well not everyone here is guaranteed to play sv ou

like i dont play sv ou

[narrow locust]

I’ve looked through the sample teams

[narrow locust]

Yeah I asked in the wrong one it seems, meant to ask in SV OU not Natdex OU

[worthy pier]

https://pokepast.es/fa5800f3f3bcd2b7

changed it up a bit

[nocturne willow]

sami already gave you the team

its up to you to follow it or not

[next forge]

bro he made my team worse

[terse solstice]

https://pokepast.es/cb00df7fddea9e06

i improved my team a bit

[nocturne willow]

you were already told to use samples

[terse solstice]

why

u mean like rental teams

[nocturne willow]

yes

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[nocturne willow]

you can find them at the sample team link

[terse solstice]

ok thanks

[uncut nebula]

Anyone have any recommendations or should I build it from the ground up if so any team suggestions for a beginner

[merry delta]

This looks all over the place, what is the idea behind the team?

[vague hemlock]

If you are a beginner I highly recommend using samples before building.

[uncut nebula]

Where do I find those?

[uncut nebula]

Honestly idk I usually try to set up stealth rock and toxic spike then spikes and then just try and sweep

[merry delta]

Can’t really sweep with no invest scizor, and dozo and ferro slows down the momentum of this team greatly

I’d look at the samples first like wildfiree said because the idea WANTS to be HO but doesn’t really have the tools to do so

[vague hemlock]

!natdexsamples

[celest merlin]

National Dex (ND) Sample Teams
Gen 9 ND Ubers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712170/
Gen 9 ND OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3714863/
Gen 9 ND UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3725988/
Gen 9 ND RU: WIP
Gen 9 ND Monotype: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3733806/post-9920936
Gen 9 ND Doubles OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3720802/
Gen 8 ND OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3716948/post-9521589
Gen 8 ND UU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3672486/
Last Updated <t:1708502787:f>

[vague hemlock]

.

[terse solstice]

what are the best hyper offense pokemon

[terse solstice]

https://pokepast.es/9b8454221a8132b7 i made this its probably trash though

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @limber crypt, @hardy flint, @merry delta, @cerulean karma, @vague hemlock. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[terse solstice]

it would probably be better if it was an aurora veil ho

[nocturne willow]

you seem new to the tier

so i would recommend checking out sample teams first, as well as the viability ranking to learn the tier before building

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[nocturne willow]

you can find the resources here

[terse solstice]

u alrdy told me this

some of those are outdated

like darkrai is ubers now

[nocturne willow]

ok well frankly you didnt read the viability rankings at all

and its blatantly obvious from looking at said team

you didnt check out samples either, and you didnt use said samples to ladder, as this team structure is iffy at best

[terse solstice]

ok

[nocturne willow]

you didnt look at the analysis of the tier to find viable sets for these mons, like defog on ribombee? as a webs setter?

so yes, i did tell you this before

and im telling you this again because you clearly didnt listen the first time

[terse solstice]

chill

[nocturne willow]

use the samples, learn the tier first

[terse solstice]

what do samples even do for me

im not going to use any of those

[nocturne willow]

give you an actually decent team to play on ladder

so you can learn the tier

[terse solstice]

i dont understand the team though us there a description of how to use tjem

all it does is give me the pokepaste

[nocturne willow]

playing the team and looking at each mon's respective analysis gives you a pretty decent understanding of how to use said mons

[terse solstice]

ok

[nocturne willow]

and the general team structure and sets should at least clue you in to their general usage

once again this is all things you can quickly learn by actually using the teams on ladder

[terse solstice]

what does bo and balance mean

[nocturne willow]

if you refuse to ladder because you are scared to lose elo you are never going to improve

bo is bulky offense, balance is balance

[terse solstice]

ok

[terse solstice]

these sample teams dont help me i lose more games with them

[next forge]

https://pokepast.es/1d4d7a949b610b4c

Ribombee should have Skill Swap to remove Magic Bounce from Mega Diancie to setup Sticky Webs, and I've replaced Bug Buzz with Stun Spore for extra speed control and to discourage setup from Pokemon like Iron Crown. Tera Ghost to block Rapid Spin from mostly Iron Treads.

Volcarona can use HP Ground over Bug Buzz to hit Heatran, and Tera Grass to boost Giga Drain + fix its type weaknesses.

Azumarill and Mega Gallade aren't necessarily bad, but they are outclassed, and Urshifu-R does the exact same thing both of these two would do with much more consistency, so a Swords Dance set with Protective Pads to help vs Zapdos and Ferrothorn, and Substitute + Tera Steel to abuse passive Pokemon and Choice-locked Tapu Lele, can help it sweep more easily than Azumarill.

Electivire just sucks. Raging Bolt is much better with it notably having priority to help versus Rain/Sun teams and faster threats like Tornadus-T. The Dragon STAB is also a good bonus. It also stops Corviknight and Tornadus-T from Defogging away Sticky Web while Urshifu discourages Gliscor, Landorus-T and Great Tusk.

Iron Crown blocks Mortal Spin from Glimmora and beats it with Tachyon Cutter, helping Ribombee with the lead. Other than that, it's a good setup sweeper appreciating Urshifu removing Dark types for it to clean better.

Ogerpon-C is a bit of filler (Landorus-T could work also) but it further stops Defog from Flying types and appreciates Sticky Web letting it blow through offensive teams better, while appreciating Volcarona beating Ferrothorn and other bulky Grass types for it.

[terse solstice]

ok thanks

[somber moat]

Is this good? I don't know what i was doing, i haven't played Pokémon in years and i just picked what Pokémon i liked the most, can anyone help🙏

[next forge]

Reshiram in OU

This would be NDUbers by technicality which is in #1060037469472555028 but tbh this team sucks so badly it's not worth posting there

[somber moat]

Damn

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[next forge]

Good to have a look at these before making a team

(Mostly the VR and their respective analyses)

[raw venture]

Is mega medicham broken ?

[nocturne willow]

Not the chat to ask, but no

[raw venture]

but he have a terrible atk

with fake out

how to counter it

[nocturne willow]

Hazard chip, threatening it out with faster threats, etc

It’s just a wallbreaker

A powerful one, but you’re not supposed to check it defensively, you’re supposed to pressure it offensively

[nocturne willow]

I have come to the crushing realization that all my natdex teams are ass

so then i made a new natdex team

https://pokepast.es/e4664cf9e11c0839

pings didnt work gg

[quaint adder]

most of my natdex teams suck but im kinda proud of this one

[nocturne willow]

!pokepaste

[celest merlin]

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[nocturne willow]

but uh looking at this team

3/6 aren't ranked on the vr

which means half of your team is unviable

[quaint adder]

wait whats vr?

[nocturne willow]

viability rankings

[celest merlin]

National Dex (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Tournament schedule
• C&C reservation index
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[nocturne willow]

you can find em at the link

[vague hemlock]

Whose team is the one you posted faya

[quaint adder]

and we’re talking abt the gen 9 national dex format thing right

[nocturne willow]

yes

[nocturne willow]

...mine?

[quaint adder]

wait by unviable you mean not allowed or just bad

[vague hemlock]

Oh had to make sure 💀

[nocturne willow]

just bad

[nocturne willow]

????

no im not leaking my ndpl teams in ndou rates

[vague hemlock]

I thought you were posting it for someone dude

[nocturne willow]

oculars would kill me

[quaint adder]

which 3 arent there then lol

[vague hemlock]

💀

[nocturne willow]

mega beedrill hoopa unbound cursola

[vague hemlock]

On hold on

I’m gonna look

[nocturne willow]

o actually i dont think ttar is ranked either

so 4/6

[quaint adder]

huh