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ornate marten Apr 12, 2023, 5:15 AM

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ho?

feral canopy Apr 12, 2023, 5:15 AM

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hyper offense

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bulky offense

ornate marten Apr 12, 2023, 5:17 AM

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Should i put power up punch?

feral canopy Apr 12, 2023, 5:19 AM

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use the samples

ornate marten Apr 12, 2023, 5:19 AM

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I dont want to copy someone else's shit

feral canopy Apr 12, 2023, 5:20 AM

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?

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ur learning the tier by using a proven good team

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so that when u do build ur own team u actually have a semblance of an idea of what ur doing

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push the ego down and try to learn the tier

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no point slapping shit together without a purpose

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u wont get anywhere building like that

cobalt skiff Apr 12, 2023, 8:33 AM

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Tf is kingambit hitting with x scissor and passion jab that he couldn't already

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https://pokepast.es/780710c8746b502b yeah this team hasn't been doing well, my only request is to keep msciz

celest merlinBOT Apr 12, 2023, 8:40 AM

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autumn perch Apr 12, 2023, 5:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d0556ea6c150ab1c

celest merlinBOT Apr 12, 2023, 5:22 PM

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feral canopy Apr 12, 2023, 5:23 PM

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holy

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a real team

autumn perch Apr 12, 2023, 5:27 PM

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feral canopy holy

Sir

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Help me innit

unreal canopy Apr 13, 2023, 6:35 AM

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how do I beat garganacl

unreal canopy Apr 13, 2023, 7:15 AM

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https://pokepast.es/355fc8f663c38859

celest merlinBOT Apr 13, 2023, 7:15 AM

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pale spear Apr 13, 2023, 7:19 AM

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unreal canopy https://pokepast.es/355fc8f663c38859

i think specs pult is better here, also u want hp fire > focus blast on lele for the sciz mu

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any reason for attack on ferro?

unreal canopy Apr 13, 2023, 7:20 AM

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pale spear any reason for attack on ferro?

OHKO koko

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perhaps I don't need it

pale spear Apr 13, 2023, 7:20 AM

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idr see the point

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considering koko is never staying into ferro

unreal canopy Apr 13, 2023, 7:21 AM

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pale spear considering koko is never staying into ferro

fair

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aight should I invest in phys def

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or spdef

pale spear Apr 13, 2023, 7:21 AM

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its ur choice

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i think ferros evs can be rly flexible if ur bothered enough to go into the damage calc

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if u arent u can just go max pdef

unreal canopy Apr 13, 2023, 7:23 AM

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pale spear i think specs pult is better here, also u want hp fire > focus blast on lele for...

also

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do I really need specs pult?

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I've been winning games

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soley on subbing up and ddancing

pale spear Apr 13, 2023, 7:24 AM

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i mean

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dd pult lends itself to more ho builds which can support its sweeep

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with screens/shed

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specs pult tends to work better here as a standalone breakers

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but if it works for u

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by all means

unreal canopy Apr 13, 2023, 7:25 AM

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hm

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I see what you mean

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but if I can't OHKO zapdos

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I will punch myself

autumn perch Apr 13, 2023, 4:38 PM

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autumn perch https://pokepast.es/d0556ea6c150ab1c

@pale spear

sacred spade Apr 13, 2023, 6:52 PM

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https://pokepast.es/45178dd85b5f1b68

celest merlinBOT Apr 13, 2023, 6:52 PM

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sacred ember Apr 14, 2023, 5:47 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c69d253709f9d64b tried making gen 9 ND stall

celest merlinBOT Apr 14, 2023, 5:47 AM

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sacred ember Apr 14, 2023, 5:49 AM

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sacred ember https://pokepast.es/c69d253709f9d64b tried making gen 9 ND stall

I should probably change the sableye spread

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Because that was for gen 7 ou

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 6:50 AM

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Somebody sent me a rocks scarf lando team ;-;

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:00 AM

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sacred ember https://pokepast.es/c69d253709f9d64b tried making gen 9 ND stall

Stall like these are jus

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:14 AM

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autumn perch Stall like these are jus

can u not use gay pejoratively

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and there is nothing wrong

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:29 AM

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feral canopy and there is nothing wrong

These type of stall builds just get 6-0d by any dedicated wallbreakers
That’s a reason I don’t like these kind of builds

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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okay its not teamstyle

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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With the

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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my apologies

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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Addition of dhengo

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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i assume you meant the teamstyle

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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Stall is just

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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because people who usually call stall "gay@

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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In its nieche

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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generally mean the teamstyle

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hard stall sucks

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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feral canopy because people who usually call stall "gay@

Oh lol

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He

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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semistall is what rlly works rn

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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Ye

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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autumn perch https://pokepast.es/d0556ea6c150ab1c

Hit 1800 with this

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:30 AM

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but i cant think of much "dedicated wallbreakers" that 6-0 this

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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feral canopy but i cant think of much "dedicated wallbreakers" that 6-0 this

Wallbreakers sweeepers

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For example

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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other than like

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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Mega maw

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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gambit lol

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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Manaphy

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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mega maw sucks

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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Kingambit

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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but gambit does

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mana beats most stalls currently

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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Hoopa unbound

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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hard to cover for it

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it definitely does not lose to hoopa u

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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Tpunch mega maw also breaks through stall

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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u got alo and clef

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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Gunk shot

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Banded

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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alo first

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to scout

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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And specs hoopa is also a thing

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:31 AM

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go clef if dark move

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not really relevant

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:32 AM

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Hoopa doesent always run choice items

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:32 AM

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hoopa in general is

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not really relevant lol

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same with maw currently

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but making skarm id would solve that

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and the gambit issue

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:32 AM

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Tpunch

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Lol

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:32 AM

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it beats still

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skarm@is faster and ids

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:32 AM

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How do u switch into a +2 mega maw after rocks

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:32 AM

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only loses to crits or parad

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skarm hard swaps on the sd and clicks id

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it is faster than mmaw

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:33 AM

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Mega maw uses like 185 speed

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:33 AM

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but maw isnt even that relevant of a mon rn

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:33 AM

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For scizor

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:33 AM

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it is faster than max speed mega mawile

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i know how much it uses

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the skarm spread hits 200

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maw hits 199 max

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maw is slowrr

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:33 AM

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Even if skarm is faster

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All it could do is

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Land a body press

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Skarm needs to be slower in order to make perfect use of its counter

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Which wouldn’t make much sense if it’s sturdy has been broken

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Through taking damage from rocks

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:35 AM

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feral canopy maw hits 199 max

His skarm ks speed uninvested aswell lol

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So skarm is gonna be

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176 spee total

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Idk what ur talking about lol

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:39 AM

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autumn perch His skarm ks speed uninvested aswell lol

oh

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i think

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theh put the wromg evs

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bc the spread is correct but

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the spd should be in speed

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 7:39 AM

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autumn perch Skarm needs to be slower in order to make perfect use of its counter

yeah thats why i said

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change it to idpress lol

autumn perch Apr 14, 2023, 7:40 AM

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He isn’t even use

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Body press

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It’s a brave bird

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Skarm

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😭

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Prolly for like the breloom mu

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But bpress is just better

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 3:44 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d317c6c613280d22

celest merlinBOT Apr 14, 2023, 3:44 PM

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stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Rate my team

raven granite Apr 14, 2023, 4:35 PM

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Dude I see fucking agren and I'm so hyped that theres gen 8 stuff here

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And then its gen 9

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Also the tapu fini nickname is pretending to say a slur

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Wait actually isnt that an older gen 8 sample

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 4:47 PM

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its a worse version of my sample

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https://pokepast.es/a339dc58bf72b78a

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 4:58 PM

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Breh

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I dint copy u

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 4:59 PM

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raven granite Also the tapu fini nickname is pretending to say a slur

Slur? XD

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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stable coral Slur? XD

its you trying to type the n word

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change the nick

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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stable coral I dint copy u

yeah i didnt think so

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just that its a worse version of that team

raven granite Apr 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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Also agren does not exist in gen 9 nd

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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Bolt beam better I think

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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oh wait

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i read that wrong

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ok this is bad for gen9 nd

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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Mawile is boltbeam

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:00 PM

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maw shld be sd sucker on that build

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but its old anws

raven granite Apr 14, 2023, 5:01 PM

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And also no matter how you say it I refuse to believe this wasn't originally a gen 8 team

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:01 PM

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not that good anymore

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it is. gen8 team@yeah

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not a gen9 ome

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6-0ed by all the notable sv stuff@and has unviable mons and sets

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:02 PM

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Should I make it more bulky?

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:02 PM

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u shld rebuild it

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bc the ss and sv meta is like night and day

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and this team does not make sense at all in sv

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:02 PM

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Can u give me good core?

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For balance?

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:03 PM

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feral canopy u shld rebuild it

Offensive core would work too

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:06 PM

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stable coral For balance?

hippowdon and skarmory

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:07 PM

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stable coral Offensive core would work too

kingambit and zamazenta

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:09 PM

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feral canopy kingambit and zamazenta

https://pokepast.es/a7a84a19c884b17f

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Ima use this team for now

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:10 PM

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yeah rhags solid

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:13 PM

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Uhm

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Will m loppuny work?

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:15 PM

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on that team?

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no

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:15 PM

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Ye

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I think I have got a good team mons
Lopunny
Kartana
Rotom (wash)
Grimmsnarl
Volc
And maybe hatterene or togekiss

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:18 PM

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feral canopy on that team?

What about this^^^^

raven granite Apr 14, 2023, 5:18 PM

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Togekiss 💀

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:18 PM

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Eh?

stable coral Apr 14, 2023, 5:19 PM

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raven granite Togekiss 💀

It is to counter other loppunies

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I can also replace it with final gambit Scarf anihillape

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:23 PM

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stable coral What about this^^^^

it doesnt work on thag team

feral canopy Apr 14, 2023, 5:24 PM

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stable coral I think I have got a good team mons Lopunny Kartana Rotom (wash) Grimmsnarl Vol...

kiss sucks hatt is specific

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grimm doesnt fit on this team

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this team@is also not good tm for sv

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sucks vs lop and no resl water resist / no way to beat rain

sacred ember Apr 14, 2023, 8:43 PM

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feral canopy https://pokepast.es/a339dc58bf72b78a

I have the exact team with Hydreigon over ash

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lol

raven granite Apr 15, 2023, 12:15 AM

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Makes the team extra slow unfortunately

stable coral Apr 15, 2023, 4:16 AM

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https://pokepast.es/3fb8d86dccfd6d7e

celest merlinBOT Apr 15, 2023, 4:16 AM

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stable coral Apr 15, 2023, 4:17 AM

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Rate this team

stable coral Apr 15, 2023, 5:07 AM

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Y scorching sand tho?

stable coral Apr 15, 2023, 8:13 AM

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https://pokepast.es/bf95cf1a5f41cf0c

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How'd u rate this team?

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@limber crypt

feral canopy Apr 15, 2023, 8:21 AM

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stable coral Y scorching sand tho?

sands hits heatran and pex

raven granite Apr 15, 2023, 12:23 PM

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stable coral https://pokepast.es/bf95cf1a5f41cf0c

no offense but did you even listen to me when i told you not to use agren

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it's not a pokemon that exists in gen 9 natdex ou

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battle bond makes it gain+1 in each stat and that's it

cobalt skiff Apr 15, 2023, 1:10 PM

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https://pokepast.es/04bca00bdb21b7d8

celest merlinBOT Apr 15, 2023, 1:10 PM

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timber coral Apr 15, 2023, 7:55 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4125d061f1f5db78
I wanted to build a team using my two favorite types, I know it’s gimmicky but that’s kinda the point yeah? Is there any way a team like this could work?

celest merlinBOT Apr 15, 2023, 7:55 PM

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noble warren Apr 16, 2023, 5:42 AM

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https://pokepast.es/dae0b164378a6b81

celest merlinBOT Apr 16, 2023, 5:42 AM

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noble warren Apr 16, 2023, 5:42 AM

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my stall team

unreal canopy Apr 16, 2023, 11:25 AM

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https://pokepast.es/e3d5fde4c8ce403a

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Mega lopunny is my nightmare

feral canopy Apr 16, 2023, 12:39 PM

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u got lando lele zama

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thats more than enough

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mtar gambit is stacking roles

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cyc does not do much of anything here

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u gave no water resist

pale spear Apr 16, 2023, 1:30 PM

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unreal canopy https://pokepast.es/e3d5fde4c8ce403a

To add onto what adem said, this is pr easily fixable, just put a Ferro over the gambit and like

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A good Pokémon

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Instead of the cyc

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Cyc isn’t v good here bc u don’t rly have anything that super appreciates being behind a sub

unreal canopy Apr 16, 2023, 1:39 PM

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pale spear Cyc isn’t v good here bc u don’t rly have anything that super appreciates being ...

From what I understand now, shed tail users provide the most benefit for setup sweepers correct?

pale spear Apr 16, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Ye setup sweepers on like ho structures

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There’s been experiments with shed into rly strong breakers like ur mmedis and ur mmaws but it’s not rly a proven structure

wild pebble Apr 16, 2023, 6:31 PM

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I built a team around Mega Pinsir birdspam, is there any way it can improve?

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https://pokepast.es/ca7012447d534b12

celest merlinBOT Apr 16, 2023, 6:33 PM

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wild pebble Apr 16, 2023, 6:36 PM

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unreal canopy Mega lopunny is my nightmare

Zamazenta is a great answer to Mega Lopunny. Your main problem is water types such as Walking Wake, so I agree that Ferrothorn is a great pick, and it can help with Lopunny, too. Rotom-Wash or Zapdos could also be good fits for their VoltTurn abilities, useful typings, and utility.

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Kingambit and Mega T-Tar have overlapping roles, and stacking them both weakens your team to fighting types such as the aforementioned Mega Lopunny and opposing Zamazentas. Kingambit is an upgrade to Mega T-Tar, so there is room to replace it.

raven granite Apr 16, 2023, 8:53 PM

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wild pebble I built a team around Mega Pinsir birdspam, is there any way it can improve?

@cobalt skiff has built birdspam before

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Dont think thats how you do it but ill let him speak

wild pebble Apr 16, 2023, 8:55 PM

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it’s not full birdspam, but it’s built around a core of mega pinsir and hawlucha with voltturn support

spare epoch Apr 17, 2023, 3:28 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6238b57cdc24e9ba fun little natdex team, not the most serious player but was trying to think of alt sets or small changes to team

celest merlinBOT Apr 17, 2023, 3:28 PM

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cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:29 PM

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https://pokepast.es/25dc5bf64e8243ee
rate this team

feral canopy Apr 17, 2023, 4:31 PM

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not good

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glimm is a mid lead

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wash is a waste of a slot here

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that garchomp set is awful

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u just

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posted this

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anyways

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check samples

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:33 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f3e2944e5f3bc1d7
this one? it has won me a lot

spare epoch Apr 17, 2023, 4:34 PM

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a tapu team is very cool

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:34 PM

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yeah and its op

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its very easy to use

feral canopy Apr 17, 2023, 4:36 PM

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it doesnt even have all the moves filled in bro

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use the samples

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thats not a good team

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use the other resources like the vr and the team bazaar

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:36 PM

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what is vr

feral canopy Apr 17, 2023, 4:36 PM

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viability ranking

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:37 PM

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feral canopy Apr 17, 2023, 4:38 PM

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u dont need an account

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:41 PM

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gimme a good team then

spare epoch Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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If you wanna use the same team but improve upon them then I suggest something like choice specs on topu koko instead of a second z move

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and give it grass knot as its fourth move slot to hit ground types

feral canopy Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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cobalt skiff gimme a good team then

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

Smogon Forums

Resource - National Dex Sample Teams

The goal of this resource is to showcase good teams that are easy to pick up and use on the ladder. This should aid players in familiarizing themselves with the current National Dex metagame.

We will try to actively look over the sample teams and make sure that they stay up-to-date in order to...

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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feral canopy https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-sample-teams.3714863/

which one

spare epoch Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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which one do you think looks most up your alley?

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do you like offensive teams? defensive teams? or a mix of the two?

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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mix

spare epoch Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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then I'd recommend the Hex Dragapult + NP Gholdengo Balance by ChrisPBacon

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or the Choice Band Zamazenta + Mega Tyranitar Bulky Offense by adem

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:52 PM

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gonna test

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the hex one

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no waitr

feral canopy Apr 17, 2023, 4:52 PM

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cobalt skiff which one

any

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:53 PM

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is this one of those "troll" teams?

feral canopy Apr 17, 2023, 4:54 PM

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yes

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:55 PM

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feral canopy yes

u were right

spare epoch Apr 17, 2023, 4:56 PM

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that's just team rocket

cobalt skiff Apr 17, 2023, 4:57 PM

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wat

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oh wait

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holy shit forfeit 2

tender flare Apr 18, 2023, 3:57 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2aea98e907b86a93

celest merlinBOT Apr 18, 2023, 3:57 AM

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tender flare Apr 18, 2023, 3:57 AM

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first time trying to build for this tier

tropic compass Apr 18, 2023, 4:19 AM

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Any improvements i can make?
https://pokepast.es/fb9379b03c1afa15

feral canopy Apr 18, 2023, 9:44 AM

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what is the idea behind this

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because the mon and set combinations do not make sense

civic saddle Apr 18, 2023, 4:51 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3129bfc87d078b2e
I'm having issues with sun mega char walking wake here

celest merlinBOT Apr 18, 2023, 4:51 PM

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pale spear Apr 18, 2023, 4:51 PM

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ngl i thought u were talking abt

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having issues with building walking wake sun

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so when i opened the paste

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i thought u were trolling at first

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LOL

civic saddle Apr 18, 2023, 4:52 PM

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it absolutely sweeps my rain team

pale spear Apr 18, 2023, 4:52 PM

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anws i cant rly give feedback on this rn

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but yard sun is generally a horrid mu for rian

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i wld absolutely go av torn to at least have a bit of insuracne

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also helps vs like pult asw

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theres a sample rain that basically ticks all the boxes

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if u want it

civic saddle Apr 18, 2023, 4:54 PM

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Av torn can deal with yard sun?

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doesnt it take a chunk

pale spear Apr 18, 2023, 4:55 PM

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i mean

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its a decent pivot

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which is pr good fwiw

civic saddle Apr 18, 2023, 4:58 PM

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Wouldn't something like tran help too

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For yard

pale spear Apr 18, 2023, 4:58 PM

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yes but the problem is

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that you are putting a heatran on your rain team

civic saddle Apr 18, 2023, 4:58 PM

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scorching sands?

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Yes true

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So should I do av torn here

pale spear Apr 18, 2023, 4:58 PM

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when you try to cover your weaknesses to heavily you end up with a worse off team overall

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better to just focus on ur strengths with teams like rain and accept that there will be difficult matchups

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and just do ur best to cover them without comprising your other mathcups

cobalt skiff Apr 19, 2023, 3:23 AM

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hi im kinda new to pokemon showdown and i like water pokemon so i made a rain team
https://pokepast.es/f47226a56063d6f7

celest merlinBOT Apr 19, 2023, 3:23 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cobalt skiff Apr 19, 2023, 3:23 AM

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btw pls ignore the hp grass on gyarados

spiral pond Apr 19, 2023, 4:05 AM

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It's fight night, so I stacked a bunch of fighting types onto a team: https://pokepast.es/3dc115b103f64162

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 4:09 AM

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do u want me to say the magic words

cobalt skiff Apr 19, 2023, 4:11 AM

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heal yes

cobalt skiff Apr 19, 2023, 4:12 AM

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feral canopy do u want me to say the magic words

i sure like getting roasted for my bad teams on pkmn showdown

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 4:12 AM

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ok i was kinda talking about them i didnt see ur team but

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ur team applies

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use the sample sets for mons, make gyara to ferro and make kingdra av torn

cobalt skiff Apr 19, 2023, 4:14 AM

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wait what does avtorn mean im new

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 4:15 AM

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guess

cobalt skiff Apr 19, 2023, 4:15 AM

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avulsion fracture?

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ooo i just reached 1216 in ndex

raven granite Apr 19, 2023, 4:17 AM

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cobalt skiff wait what does avtorn mean im new

assault vest tornadus

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specifically tornadus-therian

spiral pond Apr 19, 2023, 4:18 AM

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feral canopy do u want me to say the magic words

K

cobalt skiff Apr 19, 2023, 4:29 AM

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feral canopy do u want me to say the magic words

https://pokepast.es/7d645636ec489bbb

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 4:36 AM

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raven granite specifically tornadus-therian

No i was talking about avulsion fraction tornadus therian

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 4:37 AM

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cobalt skiff https://pokepast.es/7d645636ec489bbb

again, use the sample sets for all the mons

carmine vine Apr 19, 2023, 5:41 AM

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Banana Splat (Drifblim) (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Aftermath
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 100 Atk / 200 SpA / 100 SpD / 108 Spe
Mild Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Protect
Air Slash

Air Defense (Aegislash) (M) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Stance Change
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 200 HP / 36 Atk / 136 Def / 136 SpD
Lonely Nature

Swords Dance
Reflect
King's Shield
Iron Head

Lost Sock (Rotom-Wash) @ Magnet
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 100 HP / 80 Def / 248 SpA / 80 SpD
Modest Nature

Thunder
Volt Switch
Rain Dance
Hydro Pump

Sun's son (Iron Moth) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 100 HP / 52 Def / 152 SpA / 52 SpD / 152 Spe
Modest Nature

Fiery Dance
Flamethrower
Protect
Acid Spray

Kawaii Destructor (Excadrill) @ Life Orb
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 108 HP / 252 Atk / 48 Def / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature

Earthquake
Rock Slide
Shadow Claw
Protect

Dad (Abomasnow) @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Warning
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 104 HP / 152 Def / 100 SpA / 152 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Blizzard
Energy Ball
Protect
Giga Drain

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It's my first team ever! Could it possibly be good?

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 6:35 AM

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pokepaste

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but looking at the mons

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it does not look good

unreal canopy Apr 19, 2023, 1:58 PM

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I found zamazenta's best friend

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celest merlinBOT Apr 19, 2023, 4:21 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 4:24 PM

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started a solid 6/10 then dropped to a low 1/10

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 5:09 PM

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look at the vr

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i wld say most hos need volc rn

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mgyara is good but

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use the sample sets

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grimm is a kinda poor screener

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yes

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koko is better

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remove mew corv incin

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make it volcarona a speed control and a filler

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make mchomp max speed max attack jolly

raven granite Apr 19, 2023, 5:12 PM

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Give it fire fang over pjab

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 5:12 PM

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fire blast or sub over pjab

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im ngl

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i think blast is better

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wait

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does blast 2hko skarm

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if not i retract my point

raven granite Apr 19, 2023, 5:12 PM

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I believe so

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 5:13 PM

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ok it does

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use blast

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it beats skarm

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bc incin sucks

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volc is much better and actually checks val for u

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speaking of val

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iron valiant

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that doesnt change anything rlly

raven granite Apr 19, 2023, 5:14 PM

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How do those teras help you vs val again

feral canopy Apr 19, 2023, 5:14 PM

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u still cant switch into it

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and h dont want to waste tera if u can use it better

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valiant or lucha

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pult is also an option but maybe not here

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i would go val

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and koko over grimm

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and over corv probably smtg like cyc if u dont mind

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if not another setup sweeper also works

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?

raven granite Apr 19, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Just use the sample sets

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Making your own sets requires a strong understanding of the game and the metagame

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Bestie no offense you used incineroar

raven granite Apr 19, 2023, 5:45 PM

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Dude im gonna be real i'm very sick and i dont even play gen 9 much at all anyways. There are people better than me who will say "yeah, incin sucks" and I'm going to believe them. I have no doubt you'd probably beat me but that doesn't change the fact that incin is a bad poke

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Also this has nothing to do with incineroar anyways

cobalt skiff Apr 19, 2023, 5:46 PM

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If you’re here to get your team rated so it can be improved, take the advice. If you aren’t here to get your team improved, then what’s the point. If you want to battle there’s ladder and tournaments for that

timber coral Apr 19, 2023, 8:32 PM

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I’m building a team for a tournament, and I’d like some help with team building.
This is what I have for right now https://pokepast.es/169698e1f487c81b

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Tera isn’t allowed in the tournament

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I just used what was on smogon

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That’s what it’s recommending

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I’m pretty sure gen 9, but I can double check

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Yeah gen 9 natdex

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Yeah

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Probably to outspeed certain mons

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Idk lol

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Being able to outspeed those mons is really good though

dry rivet Apr 19, 2023, 9:00 PM

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@dusk flare

dusk flare Apr 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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hi

dry rivet Apr 19, 2023, 9:02 PM

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timber coral I’m building a team for a tournament, and I’d like some help with team building....

This and Adroqks team above

dusk flare Apr 19, 2023, 9:05 PM

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timber coral I’m building a team for a tournament, and I’d like some help with team building....

team has no ground type which is already an annoying flaw to have, and also just seems super weak to lop. id go defensive rocks lando > clef and then gambit > weavile, since weavile is flimsy as a ghost resist

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i dont think pult rlly fits here too well either

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or at least

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not dd

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i would make it specs / wisphex

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u can also make gambit low kick for opposing gambit so pult has an easier time

dusk flare Apr 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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the first two mons are arguably okay but then this gets.. really random

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slowbro, regular scizor, and incin are all really mediocre-bad on ho

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especially when adjacent options like mega scizor exist

dusk flare Apr 19, 2023, 10:37 PM

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well if you arent willing to comply then i cant really help you that much

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the team would stay quite mediocre

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,

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im getting to it, no need to be like that lol

tender flare Apr 19, 2023, 10:39 PM

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😭

cobalt skiff Apr 19, 2023, 10:39 PM

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If you just respond with no. to the suggestions, its a waste of time to offer them

tender flare Apr 19, 2023, 10:39 PM

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Why do people larp this hard

dusk flare Apr 19, 2023, 10:39 PM

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slowbro would be better off as another sweeper like iron valiant

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also soft checks fightings + breaks faster steel resists for (what should be) mega scizor

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also, you dont really need defog (or a support oriented scizor) on a team like this

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hazards are much less of an issue to where you're not concerned with the longevity of the team really

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incin can also be replaced for gambit

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checks ghosts similarly to incin would and appreciates the amount of pressure being put on tusk pex skarm etc

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koko should be uturn

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you dont want volt switch being blocked by a ground on such a momentum-focused playstyle

pale spear Apr 20, 2023, 12:56 AM

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tender flare Why do people larp this hard

TRUE

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@dusk flare @feral canopy

deft sequoia Apr 20, 2023, 1:42 AM

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so they banned wake

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aw

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https://pokepast.es/7efd3bcf819f1d3e what replaces wake here

celest merlinBOT Apr 20, 2023, 1:43 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

feral canopy Apr 20, 2023, 3:42 AM

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pale spear <@692073266805866497> <@628894650551238657>

.

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WHO???

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OML

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bestie no offense want me to sweep u with it? @pale spear @dusk flare farmed

dusk flare Apr 20, 2023, 3:45 AM

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feral canopy bestie no offense want me to sweep u with it? <@726032285958275152> <@6920732668...

bestie no offense want me to sweep u with it?

feral canopy Apr 20, 2023, 3:45 AM

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dusk flare bestie no offense want me to sweep u with it?

what i say to u when u tell me that stantlwr is bad (and i win)

raven granite Apr 20, 2023, 3:46 AM

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liberals OWNED

feral canopy Apr 20, 2023, 3:47 AM

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libtards PWNED when i smash them@with STANTLER

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stantler is a proud supporter of the GOP

pale spear Apr 20, 2023, 3:48 AM

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bestie no offense want me to sweep u with it? @feral canopy farmed in classic

feral canopy Apr 20, 2023, 3:48 AM

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.

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fake tier not real

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3/10 u did not improve it

feral canopy Apr 20, 2023, 3:50 AM

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timber coral I’m building a team for a tournament, and I’d like some help with team building....

gren imo sucks, clef is a poor pult check dd pult doesnt work here u lack lop cplay u lack a ground

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its 92 spat, and its for ice beam

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smogon is perfectly fine, if you dont know what you are talking about please dont mislead others

dusk flare Apr 20, 2023, 3:53 AM

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feral canopy gren imo sucks, clef is a poor pult check dd pult doesnt work here u lack lop cp...

i literally said this bro

feral canopy Apr 20, 2023, 3:53 AM

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.

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ye but

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i said it better

dusk flare Apr 20, 2023, 3:53 AM

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?

feral canopy Apr 20, 2023, 3:54 AM

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honestly

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me > u

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is the conclusion i have reached

pale spear Apr 20, 2023, 3:55 AM

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me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adem = sulo

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is what ive seen so far

dusk flare Apr 20, 2023, 3:59 AM

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pale spear me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adem = sulo

how r u always so wrong

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its astonishing sometimes

dusk flare Apr 20, 2023, 3:59 AM

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feral canopy is the conclusion i have reached

i conclude u have no bitches

pale spear Apr 20, 2023, 3:59 AM

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wait

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sorry

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i was wrong i agree

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me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sulo

feral canopy Apr 20, 2023, 4:02 AM

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😹😹😹😹

feral canopy Apr 20, 2023, 4:02 AM

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dusk flare i conclude u have no bitches

i am@swimming in bitches

dusk flare Apr 20, 2023, 4:10 AM

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thats not healthy

feral drum Apr 20, 2023, 9:49 AM

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that does sound quite painful yeah

blissful summit Apr 20, 2023, 5:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b6b66ab0bde4e4d6 Last time i played Natdex ou was like 4-5 months ago. And i wanna make a good team

celest merlinBOT Apr 20, 2023, 5:14 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

lusty basalt Apr 20, 2023, 9:27 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e31d04b2c432982a rmt

raven granite Apr 20, 2023, 10:43 PM

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@feral canopy bestie no offense want me to sweep you with it

celest merlinBOT Apr 21, 2023, 1:37 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tender flare Apr 21, 2023, 1:46 AM

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This channel is for completed teams

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At face value tho, garchomp should be max speed and you should probably just be using the importable lucha set

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@dusk flare

feral canopy Apr 21, 2023, 2:03 AM

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raven granite <@628894650551238657> bestie no offense want me to sweep you with it

😿😿😿

feral canopy Apr 21, 2023, 2:31 AM

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r u gna listen and take advice

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or are u gna say no then ask to battle me

tender flare Apr 21, 2023, 3:10 AM

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odd individual

feral canopy Apr 21, 2023, 3:17 AM

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remove swoobat, mzor anf gliscor

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add volcarona, mega gyarados, and dragapult

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put taunt over fire punch on lucha

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make valiant tera electric cm tbolt moonblast focus

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use the dex spread for lucha and the rest

cobalt skiff Apr 21, 2023, 9:06 AM

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https://pokepast.es/551ba412c7b27d86
I'm new to this game but I like my team

celest merlinBOT Apr 21, 2023, 9:06 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

pale spear Apr 21, 2023, 9:07 AM

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cobalt skiff https://pokepast.es/551ba412c7b27d86 I'm new to this game but I like my team

use a sample team

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the evs are all over the place and none of these pokemon are viable in the tier

feral canopy Apr 21, 2023, 9:29 AM

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what chris said

timber coral Apr 21, 2023, 10:00 PM

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I built this rain team with the help of one of my friends, does it look good? https://pokepast.es/e684fa4cab203e86

celest merlinBOT Apr 21, 2023, 10:00 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dusk flare Apr 21, 2023, 10:09 PM

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timber coral I built this rain team with the help of one of my friends, does it look good? ht...

zone doesnt really serve a purpose on rain, and av torn is kinda trivial when you can run fog instead and free up a moveslot for peli (which is often worse off as a fogger bc of its rocks weakness)

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rain usually follows and incredibly rigid structure and there are rlly only a few mons u can deviate from (barra vs floatzel is really the only pair you have to choose from)

timber coral Apr 21, 2023, 10:11 PM

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dusk flare zone doesnt really serve a purpose on rain, and av torn is kinda trivial when yo...

I originally had ferro instead of zone, but was told zone would be better

dusk flare Apr 21, 2023, 10:11 PM

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zone doesnt do much yeah

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there are like

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zero steels u need to crap

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trap*

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not crap.

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ferro is the only one but that loses to barra cc + repeated hits

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or just mana z

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basically just to sum it up:

ferro > zone for hazards + better defensive check to rain killers like dnite mgyara etc;
utility fog torn + hurricane > fog on peli, frees up a move slot that makes peli more annoying to switch into + better hazard control;
waterfall > liquidation on pert, and cc > poison jab on barra; pert can easily fish for flinches against a lot of its checks, and pjab hits nothing besides fini (loses to tera water + mediocre mon)

timber coral Apr 21, 2023, 10:16 PM

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What about liquidation vs waterfall on skewda?

dusk flare Apr 21, 2023, 10:18 PM

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that doesnt work bc skewda doesnt have the bulk to rlly afford 1 or 2 flinches vs its checks in endgame scenarios

timber coral Apr 21, 2023, 10:18 PM

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Ok, got it

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Would this be better? https://pokepast.es/2f678a1fe524dda3

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Oh, I just realized I forgot the Tera types

dusk flare Apr 21, 2023, 10:20 PM

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yea nw

timber coral Apr 21, 2023, 10:23 PM

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I don’t even know why I had poison jab over close combat lol

pale spear Apr 22, 2023, 12:01 AM

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timber coral I built this rain team with the help of one of my friends, does it look good? ht...

Hihi just interjecting to say u can run av torn

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It’s good if u want a pult sponge

dusk flare Apr 22, 2023, 12:09 AM

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this is indeed true ^^^^

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either works

crude mountain Apr 22, 2023, 3:24 AM

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Is this team good?
https://pokepast.es/5985f981bb244064

tender flare Apr 22, 2023, 3:29 AM

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pale spear It’s good if u want a pult sponge

Isn’t it usually fog peli anyway

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Could be wrong

crude mountain Apr 22, 2023, 3:29 AM

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worrywhirl

tender flare Apr 22, 2023, 3:30 AM

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crude mountain Is this team good? https://pokepast.es/5985f981bb244064

Uhhh

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This looks

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Interesting

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@pale spear

pale spear Apr 22, 2023, 3:42 AM

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crude mountain Is this team good? https://pokepast.es/5985f981bb244064

There’s a lot going on here, including some unviable/ very Niche mons

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I think I’d start with a sample team for now

crude mountain Apr 22, 2023, 3:43 AM

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ok thank you.

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;-;

pale spear Apr 22, 2023, 3:43 AM

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I might be able to make this work but Ill need to change a lot and also know your building idea

crude mountain Apr 22, 2023, 3:46 AM

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my building idea?

cobalt skiff Apr 22, 2023, 3:48 AM

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Like what was your goal with the team, was there one mon in particular you are trying to build around etc.

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was it trying to build a bulky defensive team?

crude mountain Apr 22, 2023, 3:57 AM

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yes

woven garden Apr 22, 2023, 9:27 AM

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https://pokepast.es/86cd6d450da084eb

imma need some help as i don't have any idea what I'm doing with this

celest merlinBOT Apr 22, 2023, 9:27 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

pale spear Apr 22, 2023, 9:37 AM

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woven garden https://pokepast.es/86cd6d450da084eb imma need some help as i don't have any id...

the other hisui mons arent allowd in nd

woven garden Apr 22, 2023, 9:38 AM

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they will after home release right?

pale spear Apr 22, 2023, 9:42 AM

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idk idr keep up with that

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i think so toh

woven garden Apr 22, 2023, 9:44 AM

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got some advice?(imagine they're already released)

feral canopy Apr 22, 2023, 9:51 AM

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we cant

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because they are huge metagame shifting mons

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i assume this is for some non showdown format, some discord bot / side game

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if so ask in their server

woven garden Apr 22, 2023, 10:18 AM

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nkpe

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nope*

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why would i go in this thread if it was? 😭

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my bad that sounds kinda rude

timber coral Apr 22, 2023, 10:54 PM

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I’d like to make a sticky web team, but I can’t find any references like team samples or up to date analyses. I have an idea of what I’d like to support with webs, (something like specs tapu lele or mega heracross or something else) but I don’t know who my webs setter should be. I’m thinking either ribombee or galvantula. Between those two, which one would be better? Or is there another webs setter that would be better?

bronze oracle Apr 23, 2023, 1:35 AM

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Shuckle is typically better than the other two due to Stealth Rock, overall bulk, and the ability to pivot out and force progress with Encore and Final Gambit.

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Gholdengo would be pretty good on a Sticky Web team due to it's ability and the much needed speed control.

sacred ember Apr 23, 2023, 4:21 AM

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timber coral Would this be better? https://pokepast.es/2f678a1fe524dda3

I’m not a rater but I would probably use spdef Ferro imo

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cuz ash Gren seems to spam dark pulse

raven granite Apr 23, 2023, 4:21 AM

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ash gren isnt in gen 9 nd

sacred ember Apr 23, 2023, 4:21 AM

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oh right

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my bad

feral canopy Apr 23, 2023, 4:40 AM

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@sacred ember if u do not know the tier please dont try to help

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it can be detrimental

agile glade Apr 23, 2023, 9:48 AM

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finally made it to top 100 (#57)

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still below a certain "not adam lol"

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rmt? https://pokepast.es/08c28841b0afb3cf

celest merlinBOT Apr 23, 2023, 9:48 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

agile glade Apr 23, 2023, 9:48 AM

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agile glade rmt? https://pokepast.es/08c28841b0afb3cf

(i have no idea what the fuck i am doing)

tender flare Apr 23, 2023, 4:59 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d1ce81561955bb3f

celest merlinBOT Apr 23, 2023, 4:59 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tender flare Apr 23, 2023, 5:00 PM

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wait just realized no ground

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💀

feral canopy Apr 23, 2023, 5:02 PM

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that cler spread sucks

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u lose to puir too

tender flare Apr 23, 2023, 5:02 PM

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I just used the import

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what should it look like

feral canopy Apr 23, 2023, 5:03 PM

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max def max hp is the only viable one

raven granite Apr 23, 2023, 5:03 PM

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feral canopy u lose to puir too

wait what the fuck is puir

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oh pult

feral canopy Apr 23, 2023, 5:04 PM

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noob

raven granite Apr 23, 2023, 5:04 PM

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you were the one who misspelled it...

tender flare Apr 23, 2023, 5:05 PM

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lol

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so how could I fix that

hard creek Apr 23, 2023, 5:43 PM

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https://pokepast.es/67750c61b20d6586 my first actual gen 9 nd team that isnt HO

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@feral canopy

feral canopy Apr 23, 2023, 5:44 PM

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Gholdengo @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 132 HP / 144 SpA / 232 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Make It Rain
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Trick

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use fhis ghold spread

hard creek Apr 23, 2023, 5:44 PM

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got it

feral canopy Apr 23, 2023, 5:44 PM

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so u arent farmed by lele

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ill check this agn tmmrw

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is late

hard creek Apr 23, 2023, 5:45 PM

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ok so @dusk flare or @pale spear 😄

feral canopy Apr 23, 2023, 5:45 PM

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perk

hard creek Apr 23, 2023, 5:45 PM

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perk.

dusk flare Apr 23, 2023, 6:03 PM

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no split washtom is fine if its the fogger imo, and wisp especially helps vs gambit when u need to burn it and 1v1 with ur own gambit / take a hit with something else to wear it down etc, so i would use that

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honestly i think the rest of the team is fine?

dry rivet Apr 23, 2023, 6:08 PM

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Thank u :3

tender flare Apr 23, 2023, 6:48 PM

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did more testing with sableye

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https://pokepast.es/16654b6933027986

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how could I fix the kyu mu

reef lance Apr 24, 2023, 12:02 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9ecce325b31bc6ea

Trying to use mlatias, any suggestions?

celest merlinBOT Apr 24, 2023, 12:02 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

reef lance Apr 24, 2023, 12:03 AM

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(Did use it a bit on ladder)

feral canopy Apr 24, 2023, 9:50 AM

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reef lance https://pokepast.es/9ecce325b31bc6ea Trying to use mlatias, any suggestions?

zama dont fit here no pivots no support

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u also struggle vs offensive grounds

reef lance Apr 24, 2023, 1:03 PM

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Oh ok, anything I should replace zama with?

tranquil sedge Apr 24, 2023, 1:55 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8447b9e264101a42 how tf can i improve this team im stuck in 1500

celest merlinBOT Apr 24, 2023, 1:55 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

ornate marten Apr 24, 2023, 5:11 PM

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Rate my epic ou team very_happy (1400)

dusky carbon Apr 24, 2023, 5:12 PM

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epic

hard creek Apr 24, 2023, 10:46 PM

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https://pokepast.es/66ddd0c8d54bcac2

celest merlinBOT Apr 24, 2023, 10:46 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

full blaze Apr 25, 2023, 10:52 AM

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ornate marten Rate my epic ou team <:very_happy:1059964423952937060> (1400)

speak of hyper offensive spikes holy hell

raven granite Apr 25, 2023, 10:55 AM

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I sure do love me some ferrothorn hyper offense

wanton storm Apr 25, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Rate my super cool awesome team:) https://pokepast.es/83548573da871c0a

celest merlinBOT Apr 25, 2023, 2:41 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

bronze oracle Apr 25, 2023, 2:42 PM

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wanton storm Rate my super cool awesome team:) https://pokepast.es/83548573da871c0a

Is this supposed to NDM?

wanton storm Apr 25, 2023, 2:42 PM

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What's that

bronze oracle Apr 25, 2023, 2:42 PM

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National Dex Monotype

wanton storm Apr 25, 2023, 2:42 PM

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Oh

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I just play in natdex ou but it could be

bronze oracle Apr 25, 2023, 2:43 PM

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You're really constricting yourself by only using one type in regular OU, I could rate it as an NDM team if you like but it won't be optimized in regular NatDex.

wanton storm Apr 25, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Sure let's do NDM

bronze oracle Apr 25, 2023, 3:04 PM

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wanton storm Rate my super cool awesome team:) https://pokepast.es/83548573da871c0a

Calm Mind Sableye isn't great and would much prefer just the default set:

Sableye-Mega @ Sablenite
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 104 Def / 156 SpD
Careful Nature

Knock Off
Will-O-Wisp
Recover
Protect / Metal Burst

Mimikyu prefers Life Orb as there are better Z-Move users on Ghost.

I'm honestly not too sold on Aegislash now that Gholdengo exists, I recommend this set:

Gholdengo @ Ghostium Z / Fightinium Z
Ability: Good as Gold
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 Spe
Modest Nature

Make It Rain
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast / Recover / Substitute
Nasty Plot

However, if you prefer Aegislash:

Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

Iron Head
Shadow Sneak
Close Combat
Swords Dance

Change Mind Blown on Blacephalon to Trick or Hidden Power Ice and Psychic to Psyshock, also a Timid Nature.

Give Zoroark Heavy-Duty Boots, Shadow Ball > Bitter Malice, and Focus Blast > Extrasensory. You can also opt for a Scarf set and change Blacephalon to Skeledirge.

Rotom is not great and Spectrier is too good not to use:

Spectrier @ Leftovers
Ability: Grim Neigh
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Hex
Calm Mind
Will-O-Wisp
Substitute

wanton storm Apr 25, 2023, 3:09 PM

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Okok I see, I like using pokemon that aren't used too much because it gives a small challenge to limit myself but I will make some changes especially to sableye and zoroark because they could be doing better

bronze oracle Apr 25, 2023, 3:11 PM

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Using low usage Pokemon is fine but Monotype in a core tier is going to be difficult lol

wanton storm Apr 25, 2023, 3:12 PM

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Yeah but thats the plan, it's also a lot of fun

tranquil sedge Apr 25, 2023, 3:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8447b9e264101a42 how tf can i improve this team im stuck in 1500

tender flare Apr 25, 2023, 4:16 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1c4d85fa871868c8

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why is everything I build weak to kyu

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😭

plain epoch Apr 25, 2023, 4:24 PM

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how is that weak to kyu?? u hav scarf kart, mega diancie and gholdengo

tender flare Apr 25, 2023, 4:24 PM

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What switches in

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Out of those

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Nothing?

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So it’s weak

waxen notch Apr 25, 2023, 4:53 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ad084a0b50e30a74

The definition of a "fun" team. Some may argue that you're only having fun in this game if you're winning but I digress. This team isn't incredible by any stretch of the imagination but i'm not too experienced anyways so lmk how good or terrible this team is and what changes you'd make (:

tender flare Apr 25, 2023, 5:00 PM

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waxen notch https://pokepast.es/ad084a0b50e30a74 The definition of a "fun" team. Some may a...

The issue with this is when you post a team in here it’s a rater’s job to optimize it relative to the meta

waxen notch Apr 25, 2023, 5:00 PM

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yeah, go ahead

tender flare Apr 25, 2023, 5:01 PM

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So if you’re not willing to use the best possible sets then it doesn’t make sense to send it

waxen notch Apr 25, 2023, 5:01 PM

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i dont have an actual rating of it lol its just fun and idk if its good or bad, it works!

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i am willing, thas why i sent it, i want it to be better than fun

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sorry for the confusing post in that case

tender flare Apr 25, 2023, 5:01 PM

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Maybe I misunderstood

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Mb

waxen notch Apr 25, 2023, 5:01 PM

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no you're good!

tender flare Apr 25, 2023, 5:03 PM

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@feral canopy

feral canopy Apr 25, 2023, 5:40 PM

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waxen notch https://pokepast.es/ad084a0b50e30a74 The definition of a "fun" team. Some may a...

fun is subjective to everyone, this is a competitive discord and the purpose of these channels is to optimise a team the best it can be competitively while maintaining the original idea if supported well enough. this team is really not good and struggles vs most top threats in the tier alongside a lack of synergy and lacking key components. i will have to remove most mons in the team to build a cohesive structure with this, but without an initial idea / reasoning i cannot. either check the samples or ping me in a few hours again with a base idea of what you intend to build around and why if u want to continue with this

feral canopy Apr 25, 2023, 5:41 PM

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tender flare why is everything I build weak to kyu

ur not weak to kyu ur just not good at the game

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-me

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u got more than enough for him anws, play better keep momentum up get turns correct ull be more than fine

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ill ratw this tomorrow but off the bat

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no ghost resist

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ur ghost cplay in general is very poor

tender flare Apr 25, 2023, 6:32 PM

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Thanks

ornate marten Apr 25, 2023, 7:06 PM

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raven granite I sure do love me some ferrothorn hyper offense

Mega lopunny fakeout

dry rivet Apr 25, 2023, 7:14 PM

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hard creek https://pokepast.es/66ddd0c8d54bcac2

Can someone check this if they have the chance? 🙂

raven granite Apr 25, 2023, 7:17 PM

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ornate marten Mega lopunny fakeout

?

ornate marten Apr 25, 2023, 7:19 PM

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raven granite ?

Its entire purpose is to punish piority move users like mega lopunny and dragonite with iron barbs and helmet

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Because mega beedrill is made out of glass piority moves kills it

dry rivet Apr 25, 2023, 7:20 PM

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Maybe @dusk flare can feed generations 👀

raven granite Apr 25, 2023, 7:20 PM

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ornate marten Its entire purpose is to punish piority move users like mega lopunny and dragoni...

Okay but you seemt to have forgotten something crucial

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You are throwing your ferrothorn against a pokemon with stab cc

ornate marten Apr 25, 2023, 7:21 PM

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I just switch out then

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Helmet and barbs do %49 damage to mloppunny

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Mbeedrill can kill it afterwards with a safe switch

ornate marten Apr 25, 2023, 7:23 PM

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full blaze speak of hyper offensive spikes holy hell

I cant really understand if ur complementing or absolutely trashing it

full blaze Apr 25, 2023, 7:31 PM

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ornate marten I cant really understand if ur complementing or absolutely trashing it

neither

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I'm commenting on it

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I mean sr is good against sun teams

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zard y is 4x weak to it

dusk flare Apr 25, 2023, 7:38 PM

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hard creek https://pokepast.es/66ddd0c8d54bcac2

hi

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imo lando > chomp here for an extra pivot into ur breakers, would also try low kick gambit here imo; team's fine otherwise i think

celest merlinBOT Apr 26, 2023, 12:58 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mortal tundra Apr 26, 2023, 6:18 PM

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Heyo^^
This is a lele + bee focused team I made at the start of the gen; im now trying to get back into Natdex so I wanna know if theres any changes you guys would recommend to keep up with the current meta
https://pokepast.es/945c5d8799580be6

celest merlinBOT Apr 26, 2023, 6:18 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

raven granite Apr 26, 2023, 7:25 PM

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Why does like every single post here have an mbee

tawny wedge Apr 26, 2023, 7:47 PM

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i think this is where i put this (im completely new and have no idea what im doing) https://pokepast.es/d6095b7b717483a1

tender flare Apr 27, 2023, 1:43 AM

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you've posted this twice now

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to be completely honest it looks like you tried to build an ho without anything that makes hos good

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@pale spear

feral canopy Apr 27, 2023, 3:44 AM

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mortal tundra Heyo^^ This is a lele + bee focused team I made at the start of the gen; im now ...

alas

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u have found the one tier worse than gen8 natdex for mega bee

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the tier is heavily physdef oriented, the backbone for all fats are skarm pex, priority and regen are a huge aspect of most teams, hstack is the basis for most teams be it offensive and defensive, all the new mons cuck it, tera cucks it even more

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at the very least u can build a bad tean around ut last gen but i would say it is completely and utterly useless this gen

pale spear Apr 27, 2023, 4:05 AM

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@feral canopy help him out I don’t build webs

feral canopy Apr 27, 2023, 4:06 AM

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https://pokepast.es/3b341e2a97e32a4a

celest merlinBOT Apr 27, 2023, 4:06 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

feral canopy Apr 27, 2023, 4:06 AM

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i know ur not gonna take my advice if i say it

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so just use this team

pale spear Apr 27, 2023, 4:06 AM

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Ok I will rate this team

feral canopy Apr 27, 2023, 4:06 AM

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half the mons in ur team sucks and the sets r awful

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,

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good morning chef

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idk in kinda

pale spear Apr 27, 2023, 4:07 AM

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Araq sucks more

feral canopy Apr 27, 2023, 4:07 AM

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mixed in it

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i think rib is better

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bubbble

pale spear Apr 27, 2023, 4:07 AM

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Ur a bubbble

feral canopy Apr 27, 2023, 4:08 AM

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mortal tundra Apr 27, 2023, 6:24 AM

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feral canopy alas

can you suggest a physical lategame sweeper to slot in instead?
I tried pult but Im very dependant on keeping Heatran healthy then so I dont get shadowball spammed (or risk a 50/50), otherwise it fits nicely
Zama solved that problem somewhat (if I keep it healthy), however makes getting lele in a lot harder
Mega-Lopunny looked great on paper too, but the lack of fake out during psychic terrain feels really bad in the last couple of turns

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 4:11 PM

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sun team nat dex https://pokepast.es/3ecacc9579486cd5

celest merlinBOT Apr 27, 2023, 4:11 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 4:12 PM

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Volcarona seems more of a hindrance but i dont know what else to put.

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I'm using Ting-Lu as it seems off to use ferro on a sun team, making it even weaker

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Idk about swapping lu for Lando T

civic saddle Apr 27, 2023, 8:58 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9f26a6d7061c4423
Scarf lele + pursuit kingambit

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:18 PM

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feral canopy https://pokepast.es/3b341e2a97e32a4a

what is this

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I'm sorry but this team wack ngl

raven granite Apr 27, 2023, 10:18 PM

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yeah adem why is your team so wack

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:19 PM

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I'm so confused,

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I don't even know how to start

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without sounding rude, that is

raven granite Apr 27, 2023, 10:22 PM

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its okay you can be rude to adem

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:23 PM

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feral canopy half the mons in ur team sucks and the sets r awful

ok yeah I agree

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great tusk is a better, bulkier Lando.

cobalt skiff Apr 27, 2023, 10:26 PM

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LOL no way

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@full blaze you’re a legend bro

raven granite Apr 27, 2023, 10:26 PM

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full blaze great tusk is a better, bulkier Lando.

yeah tusk is great at pivoting into kartana and being a ground immunity

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:26 PM

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why skill swap on ribombee

cobalt skiff Apr 27, 2023, 10:26 PM

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@feral canopy fix your team LOL /j

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:26 PM

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why gallade

raven granite Apr 27, 2023, 10:27 PM

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full blaze why skill swap on ribombee

mbouncers most likely

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:27 PM

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eh

raven granite Apr 27, 2023, 10:27 PM

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so dia and hatt

celest merlinBOT Apr 27, 2023, 10:27 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dusk flare Apr 27, 2023, 10:27 PM

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???

raven granite Apr 27, 2023, 10:27 PM

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?????????

cobalt skiff Apr 27, 2023, 10:27 PM

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dusk flare ???

Nah nah let him cook trust

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LOL

civic saddle Apr 27, 2023, 10:28 PM

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civic saddle https://pokepast.es/9f26a6d7061c4423 Scarf lele + pursuit kingambit

rate when

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:29 PM

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only thing that is iffy is scizor. but I respect it

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it's still going to do work with getting rid of tapu's

civic saddle Apr 27, 2023, 10:30 PM

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I wanted to use mega scizor here

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I also needed something for kingambit

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:30 PM

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fair

dusk flare Apr 27, 2023, 10:30 PM

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ok

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for one

cobalt skiff Apr 27, 2023, 10:31 PM

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Nah Sulo let him cook

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:31 PM

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let them talk

cobalt skiff Apr 27, 2023, 10:31 PM

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full blaze let them talk

basically all the stuff ur saying is wrong

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adems team is there as a fix to the other one lol

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:33 PM

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ah

cobalt skiff Apr 27, 2023, 10:33 PM

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if u don't 100% know what ur talkin about, not best idea to pop off on someones team in here

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cause misinfo leads to lots and lots of confusion

dusk flare Apr 27, 2023, 10:33 PM

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i was going to go on a tangent but

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this sums it up

full blaze Apr 27, 2023, 10:33 PM

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ima dip at this point

civic saddle Apr 27, 2023, 10:34 PM

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civic saddle https://pokepast.es/9f26a6d7061c4423 Scarf lele + pursuit kingambit

Anything I can fix here tho?

dusk flare Apr 27, 2023, 10:58 PM

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it's getting to a point where providing advice is incredibly difficult if you keep posting teams like this and never respond with anything constructive back; if you want a team rated, take the advice and ask if you have questions about it instead of responding with "no"

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this has nothing to do with anything here

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again, i won't deny you from being team rated, but please try to take advice given

tender flare Apr 28, 2023, 12:31 AM

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or you could just

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stop posting teams here

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😳

bronze oracle Apr 28, 2023, 1:33 AM

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If your teams need to be completely revamped repeatedly, you should probably learn the metagame a bit more. Not only does it make the rater's job easier but the teams you make will just be significantly better.

feral canopy Apr 28, 2023, 3:24 AM

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full blaze great tusk is a better, bulkier Lando.

great tusk does not get taunt nor does it get boom, yw. overall its actually worse than lando too!

feral canopy Apr 28, 2023, 3:24 AM

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full blaze why skill swap on ribombee

mdia and hatt so u can web on them

feral canopy Apr 28, 2023, 3:24 AM

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full blaze why gallade

because i built around gallade since it 6-0es most fat

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and is a cool breaker overall under webs

feral canopy Apr 28, 2023, 3:25 AM

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mortal tundra can you suggest a physical lategame sweeper to slot in instead? I tried pult bu...

forgor abt this

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anws

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zama lele is v good u. an build around that, just need to adjyst the test of ur team to work w that (so is zama pult)

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smtg like

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lele zama gambit lando ferro torn?? possibly

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off the top of my head looks like a solid 6

feral canopy Apr 28, 2023, 3:28 AM

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civic saddle https://pokepast.es/9f26a6d7061c4423 Scarf lele + pursuit kingambit

not a fan of triple steel here and 3a offzor idt works here either

feral canopy Apr 28, 2023, 3:30 AM

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full blaze sun team nat dex https://pokepast.es/3ecacc9579486cd5

gambit is a better dark on sun since it act removes stuff like pult, u dont want or need 2 sun setters (and the rest of ur team us determined by which one u want to build around)

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volc is indeed stacking weaknesses without too much gain

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a breaker like victini would do better

mortal tundra Apr 28, 2023, 7:54 AM

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feral canopy forgor abt this

Thank ya^^
Ended up experimenting myself too and made a separate, more offensive, team using (scarf) Lele, Dragapult, Zama, King, Rotom and Torn with pretty good success; just a completely different playstyle though
The original team also worked super well once I learned the new tera types, especially with the lack of defensive Zapdos, however struggled vs setup sweeper (due to no priority)

celest merlinBOT Apr 28, 2023, 9:20 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @dusk flare. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

robust arch Apr 29, 2023, 12:36 AM

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https://pokepast.es/81c8b20978b293b8

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rate pls

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ngl my whole thought process was hit hit fairy hit annoying ghosts, fire water grass, slot gambit

tender flare Apr 29, 2023, 1:58 AM

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robust arch https://pokepast.es/81c8b20978b293b8

@pale spear

dusky carbon Apr 29, 2023, 12:18 PM

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robust arch https://pokepast.es/81c8b20978b293b8

think u need a ground here

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4 steels is crazy

dawn crag Apr 29, 2023, 5:10 PM

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https://pokepast.es/77c56210e4944bd2

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-1854243271

Here’s my team, and a replay showing how it generally functions. I’m having a lot of fun with it, and it works quite well, but I’d love to hear what y’all think

[Gen 9] National Dex replay: Raw_jello vs. Mkap - Pokémon Showdown

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Raw_jello and Mkap ([Gen 9] National Dex)

celest merlinBOT Apr 29, 2023, 5:10 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear, @cobalt skiff. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

willow rune May 1, 2023, 12:17 PM

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https://pokepast.es/12b391169af84e5e

celest merlinBOT May 1, 2023, 12:17 PM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

willow rune May 1, 2023, 12:19 PM

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should i run special greninja instead of the current set and should i replace clodsire

dusky carbon May 1, 2023, 12:28 PM

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yh

willow rune May 1, 2023, 12:30 PM

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what should i use instead of clodsire

feral canopy May 1, 2023, 1:16 PM

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use the sample sets for all mons

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change last 3 mons to ferro and gambit+torn or torn+gambit or zap+torn

pale spear May 1, 2023, 1:17 PM

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🦀🦀🦀

feral canopy May 1, 2023, 1:17 PM

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willow rune May 1, 2023, 1:18 PM

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gambit+torn?

feral canopy May 1, 2023, 1:18 PM

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yes

willow rune May 1, 2023, 1:18 PM

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whos torn?

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and zap

feral canopy May 1, 2023, 1:18 PM

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tornadus therian

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zapdos

willow rune May 1, 2023, 1:19 PM

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kantonian?

feral canopy May 1, 2023, 1:19 PM

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yes

willow rune May 1, 2023, 1:19 PM

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gotcha

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there is no sample greninja with battle bond

feral canopy May 1, 2023, 2:50 PM

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can try hydro pulse shuriken beam / uturn / spikes

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agren kinda sucks

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barra would be much better in that slot

willow rune May 1, 2023, 3:01 PM

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Barraskewda?

feral canopy May 1, 2023, 3:40 PM

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yes

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:38 AM

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https://pokepast.es/98ab72328197a083

celest merlinBOT May 2, 2023, 6:38 AM

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New NatDex OU RMT @limber crypt, @ember hollow, @pale spear. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:39 AM

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n

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:39 AM

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Rate please any improvement will be really appreciated

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:40 AM

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rillaboom set does nothing no ground bad sets for all mons except lucha

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:40 AM

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feral canopy rillaboom set does nothing no ground bad sets for all mons except lucha

Damn so basically I suck

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:40 AM

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no

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basically ur team sucks

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:41 AM

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Well I made the team so since team team sucks it basically mean I suck too

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Anyways how can I improve the team

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Change tornados to landoras?

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Body press for garg instead of avalanche?

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Change to mixed or physical komono

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:43 AM

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well first

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what did u build this around

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:43 AM

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That's all the things I could think of

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:43 AM

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feral canopy what did u build this around

Well my plan was lucha as a main sweeper and rilla as a second sweeper

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Komo as a surprise special since people expect it to be physical

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And gambit cause it's broken late game

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:45 AM

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😭

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okay

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if u wanna use lucha terrain

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my best advice is use it with koko

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thats its best partner

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rilla is already bad and the set your using is even worse

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:45 AM

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Oh

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:45 AM

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u can go fully ho oriented with like

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:46 AM

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I thought rilla was pretty decent

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:46 AM

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screens koko, possibly a lando, a volc, a dragon (kommo o)

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no its not hood

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:46 AM

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feral canopy screens koko, possibly a lando, a volc, a dragon (kommo o)

and a dark (gambit or mgyara)

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use the sample sets for all of these

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sash lead taunt lando

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:46 AM

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feral canopy no its not hood

Understandable

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:46 AM

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kommo o make it throat spray clang soul clang scales boom burst and cc

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:47 AM

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Interesting

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Thanks for the advice

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:47 AM

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build that and post when ur done

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np

north granite May 2, 2023, 6:54 AM

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https://pokepast.es/4633e430b2a3763e
alomotrolla

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:56 AM

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ur not funny

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:56 AM

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feral canopy build that and post when ur done

https://pokepast.es/4f560280fcd75269

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Is this better

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:56 AM

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looks much better

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bur

north granite May 2, 2023, 6:56 AM

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feral canopy ur not funny

cmon the items and some of the moves were pretty creative

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:56 AM

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north granite cmon the items and some of the moves were pretty creative

lol

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dont waste peoples time

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everyone can throw random garbage together and put alomotrolla after

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:57 AM

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coral valve https://pokepast.es/4f560280fcd75269

make gambit knock

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taunt > hp ice on lanod

north granite May 2, 2023, 6:57 AM

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feral canopy dont waste peoples time

can you take a look at this then fr https://pokepast.es/dd2c52ca014d7a02
similar to gen 8 rain teams but idk how good it is in gen 9

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:57 AM

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taunt > tbolt on koko

coral valve May 2, 2023, 6:57 AM

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feral canopy taunt > hp ice on lanod

Oh yea that does the same thing

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 6:58 AM

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timid volc make it flame and tera grass

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and psychic > buzz

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fix the tera types too

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steel / flying / fighting for lucha, dark / flying for gambit,

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ghost / water for lando

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normal on kommo o

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flying / grass on koko

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@coral valve

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also either make gambit max speed or like 144+ speed evs

coral valve May 2, 2023, 7:01 AM

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https://pokepast.es/37e916ff7d33c288

What about now

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 7:02 AM

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north granite can you take a look at this then fr https://pokepast.es/dd2c52ca014d7a02 similar...

make ferro mixdef, i dont have a spread but find one that works for u (look for lele / kyurem calcs, as well as opposing rain calcs to help), make gambit this set

Kingambit @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature

Pursuit
Knock Off
Low Kick
Sucker Punch

make mpert max speed jolly and wfall over liqui, put some speed on mana, maybe to hit like 255, use this zap spread Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 196 HP / 252 SpA / 60 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Weather Ball
Hurricane
Thunder
Roost

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 7:03 AM

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coral valve https://pokepast.es/37e916ff7d33c288 What about now

oh and make volc boots, forgot

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otherwise, that looks great

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btw u changed landos hidden power type

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not his tera type

north granite May 2, 2023, 7:04 AM

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feral canopy make ferro mixdef, i dont have a spread but find one that works for u (look for ...

What’s Tera poison for? Fairy weakness?
Also does zap no longer need to run max speed in this meta
But yeah Ty for the rest of the changes

coral valve May 2, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Fixed the lando and gave boots to volc

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 7:04 AM

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north granite What’s Tera poison for? Fairy weakness? Also does zap no longer need to run max ...

fairy and fight weakness yes; no it doesnt need to nor has it ever needed to, u can run more speed if u like

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 7:04 AM

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coral valve Fixed the lando and gave boots to volc

👍 gl w the team

coral valve May 2, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Also may I ask why 144+ speed ivs for gambit

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Garg?

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 7:07 AM

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144 lets u outspeed dirge which imo is the minimum, the + is meant if u want to creep / outspeed more stuff like skarm, corv, mzor, hands, and stuff creeping those

coral valve May 2, 2023, 7:07 AM

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feral canopy 144 lets u outspeed dirge which imo is the minimum, the + is meant if u want to ...

Oh

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Thanks for the info

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 7:08 AM

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garg is like 100 something speed with no investment, so much slower

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np

north granite May 2, 2023, 7:11 AM

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feral canopy fairy and fight weakness yes; no it doesnt need to nor has it ever needed to, u ...

Base 100 was pretty fast in gen 8
Ig less so now

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 9:16 AM

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north granite Base 100 was pretty fast in gen 8 Ig less so now

no not really

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base 100 was just average last gen

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or maybe slightly above average for some

frank terrace May 2, 2023, 12:27 PM

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im struggling to get past 1500 with this team, so what should i change?
https://pokepast.es/c3bdf815ce43c4ae

feral canopy May 2, 2023, 1:45 PM

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i dont see the synergy in this

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sd gambit breaking for…? why isnt it pursuit to trap ghosts for zama, zama with no proper support, random clod, bad ghold set (does not make progress vs anything)

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np torn with no support

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rlly just looks like random mons and sets put together

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psa: gambit has knock off, pls use that and not kowtow

cold fog May 3, 2023, 2:20 AM

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https://pokepast.es/68faeb9788f07b56 im doing a dual type mono electric and fairy. what are some checks and counters on this team for me to work on? might switch koko to screens but idk yet

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feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:00 AM

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cold fog https://pokepast.es/68faeb9788f07b56 im doing a dual type mono electric and fair...

dont go a dual type mono electric and fairy

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:02 AM

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feral canopy dont go a dual type mono electric and fairy

No it’s for a tournament thing

feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:03 AM

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better to ask in whatever discord then, #1024432517077540904

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:03 AM

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Other choices I have are ground, ice

feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:03 AM

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this is for ndou, not ndou + 2 type mono restrictions on mons with god knows what other restrictions on ur opponents

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:04 AM

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feral canopy this is for ndou, not ndou + 2 type mono restrictions on mons with god knows wha...

I mean it’s a nd ou team

feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:04 AM

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with type restrictions on you and i assume your opponents as well

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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Yeah

feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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thats like saying my ndou team but with xerneas yveltal and magearna is just a ndou team

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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It’s randomized tho

feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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thats a whole different metagame

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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That’s obviously different

feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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? this is asll

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ur cutting out like 80% of the mons

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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This has ndou Mon

feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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ur opponent has the same restrictions

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:05 AM

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Ok let’s say they don’t

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What checks/counters

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Should I look out for

feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:07 AM

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ghosts click, no real water resist no real fire resist, offensive grounds click

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:07 AM

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Alright thanks

cold fog May 3, 2023, 6:10 AM

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feral canopy ghosts click, no real water resist no real fire resist, offensive grounds click

But does rotom not kind of resist water fire and ground?

feral canopy May 3, 2023, 6:11 AM

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no because all the waters 2hko / beat it, and so do the fires

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same with the grounds

spare kiln May 3, 2023, 8:38 AM

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https://pokepast.es/dbab55e390f389b1

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feral canopy May 3, 2023, 4:44 PM

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rillazone doom

dusky carbon May 3, 2023, 7:47 PM

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a ground > zone

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prob a lando

spare kiln May 4, 2023, 3:14 AM

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lol guess RillaZone faded away in Gen 9

raven granite May 4, 2023, 3:15 AM

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It kinda faded in gen 8

dusky carbon May 4, 2023, 3:17 AM

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it was a thing for 2 months

spare kiln May 4, 2023, 3:20 AM

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raven granite It kinda faded in gen 8

Okay Gen 8

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Maybe it was good in Gen 8 SV OU but that's it

dusky carbon May 4, 2023, 3:21 AM

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don’t know bout gen 8 sv ou

raven granite May 4, 2023, 10:14 AM

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Okay it was actually amazing in gen 8 sv ou tbf

feral canopy May 4, 2023, 10:37 AM

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gen 8 svou

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my favourite generational tier

spare kiln May 4, 2023, 12:06 PM

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I hate Gen 9 dexcuts more than Gen 8 ones

raven granite May 4, 2023, 1:09 PM

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Yeah im glad they release sv with gen 8 dexcuts

wet lily May 4, 2023, 9:28 PM

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hello :] this is my natdex ou team: https://pokepast.es/fa8dc22a1c9d9244. im using mostly speedy pokemon. any advices?

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subtle lance May 4, 2023, 9:29 PM

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doesn't seem too bad but i'm shit at this tier

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but i like the concept

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lets wait until some actual good player comes up though

shrewd trench May 4, 2023, 11:11 PM

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Could someone rate this?
https://pokepast.es/4ebddb39dd2b9e9f

raven granite May 4, 2023, 11:21 PM

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this looks like an oras ou team with the worst sets imagineable

feral canopy May 4, 2023, 11:50 PM

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that team does indeed look 3 gens old

peak wind May 5, 2023, 3:51 AM

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https://pokepast.es/dbb76545a568dac2

celest merlinBOT May 5, 2023, 3:51 AM

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peak wind May 5, 2023, 3:52 AM

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Hi can someone give advice or suggestions for my team rq?

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Ty

muted tangle May 5, 2023, 5:19 AM

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peak wind Hi can someone give advice or suggestions for my team rq?

you dont really have any good priority sweeper counters other than like sucker punch but if you're fighting a dragonite it could prolly still tank one even without multiscale and then one shot your kingambit with earthquake

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if you made your dragapult faster it would counter a one dragon dance dragonite pretty well tho

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also idk if heavy duty boots on toxapex is better than black sludge, tox doesent really get hit too hard by stealth rocks or spikes

lusty basalt May 5, 2023, 9:46 AM

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peak wind https://pokepast.es/dbb76545a568dac2

av tang is relativly ass Id say and pex seems to slow for this kinda team

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also besides pult ur team is slow

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no defogger also

spare kiln May 5, 2023, 2:55 PM

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shrewd trench Could someone rate this? https://pokepast.es/4ebddb39dd2b9e9f

Is it for ORAS OU or did you make it for Gen 9 ND?

shrewd trench May 5, 2023, 3:08 PM

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spare kiln Is it for ORAS OU or did you make it for Gen 9 ND?

no clue its just my friends

spare kiln May 5, 2023, 3:29 PM

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shrewd trench no clue its just my friends

Then it's for ORAS OU, go post it in #1060339824537641152

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They'll rate your team

raven granite May 5, 2023, 3:38 PM

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spare kiln Is it for ORAS OU or did you make it for Gen 9 ND?

Its def not for oras ou

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Due to the z belly drum azu

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And the rmt channels are for your own teams anyways

spare kiln May 5, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Oh

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Maybe XY OU then

raven granite May 5, 2023, 3:45 PM

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Uh

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Z moves werent in xy either...

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Its just a weird team that isn't even their own

muted tangle May 5, 2023, 10:29 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5f60b6e9b5cc4cee Natdex team ive been running recently, i like it but i think it could be a lot better

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dusk flare May 5, 2023, 10:48 PM

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muted tangle https://pokepast.es/5f60b6e9b5cc4cee Natdex team ive been running recently, i li...

there are some choices here that err on the odder side, which would apply to most of the team (ill go over them below)

dnite is pretty hard to make work without boots a lot of the time, especially with a fogger as easy to wear down as washtom; id recommend using a set without fly z and going for smth like dd/eq/espeed/roost instead (this will make it a much much sturdier check to opposing heatran/kartana/non ice punch urshifu, etc)

mpinsir is.. not good to say the least. it thuds into a lot of common pokemon like zap/koko/washtom (especially if scarf), and its mediocre speed tier and rocks weakness rlly dont help; id consider replacing it w something speedier like mlopunny instead, since the team is initially very slow. (you could also try mmedi alternatively, which ill get to next)

pex's set is really conflicting with what it wants to do and what tools it has available to it in nd; pex shouldnt be using sash as a bulky mon, and ice spinner doesnt really hit much. you can easily replace those for heavy duty boots and scald respectively (get rid of the 8 attack evs too)

rachi is easily interchangeable for another steel, it doesnt really get much done as a steel type since its really weak to what it should be checking aside from lele. heatran would be a good fit that also provides rocks + checks gholdengo and non hp ground variants of volc + baits in and also beats dnite checks.

tbh, grimmsnarl doesnt really need to be here; i think you can easily use another ghost resist like gambit, which also provides pursuit support; just an overall better mon.

lastly, i think wash is fine if you make it scarf (if you use mega medicham) or just make it max def max hp w leftovers instead.

pale spear May 5, 2023, 10:49 PM

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Text wall

dusk flare May 5, 2023, 10:52 PM

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pale spear Text wall

DONT CAREEEEE OMGGG SHUT UP

muted tangle May 5, 2023, 10:52 PM

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dusk flare there are some choices here that err on the odder side, which would apply to mos...

the mpinsir can kill zap koko and washtom but it dies while recharging most of the time

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im running it with giga impact

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the grim is so i can set up and then swap in to pincer so it can live a few hits to get in SD

dusk flare May 5, 2023, 10:53 PM

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it doesnt beat koko because its faster and zap is commonly defensive and doesnt die at +2

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washtom might die im not sure but the first two def beat it

dusk flare May 5, 2023, 10:54 PM

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muted tangle the grim is so i can set up and then swap in to pincer so it can live a few hits...

yea but the thing is grimm doesnt rlly provide anything to anything else here and mpins is a mon that doesnt output much reward

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if you want to benefit from screens you need things that have potential to win and take advantage of the extra bulk provided

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thats what makes mons like volc excellent ho pokemon, because they use screens very well

muted tangle May 5, 2023, 10:56 PM

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so youre saying i should replace m pincer with quiver dance volc and get a new mega like medicham or loppuny?

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or that i should swap to a diff screen setter

dusk flare May 5, 2023, 10:57 PM

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you dont necessarily need screens here but if you want screens i would recommend a team comp like dnite/koko (or grimm but i prefer koko)/volc/mgyara/filler/filler (one of the fillers should be iron valiant if using koko)

muted tangle May 5, 2023, 10:58 PM

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ok ill swap grim for koko, swap mpincer for volc and what itme you think i should use for volc bc i usually run throat spray

cobalt skiff May 5, 2023, 10:58 PM

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If you’re gonna use a screens setter you gotta commit to the HO Screens build instead of a half/half only supporting like 1 or 2 mons

dusk flare May 5, 2023, 10:58 PM

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this is what i mean basically yeah

muted tangle May 5, 2023, 10:58 PM

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cobalt skiff If you’re gonna use a screens setter you gotta commit to the HO Screens build in...

ah alright

dusk flare May 5, 2023, 10:58 PM

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muted tangle ok ill swap grim for koko, swap mpincer for volc and what itme you think i shoul...

throat spray is pretty not good on volc usually

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you usually want boots (or lo on some structures)

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or a z move but again, that depends

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i need to leave for a bit but someone else can help if you send a team

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gl building!

muted tangle May 6, 2023, 2:58 AM

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https://pokepast.es/86896cfc008eec08

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modified it and ran it for a while, works a lot better

peak wind May 6, 2023, 8:44 AM

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lusty basalt no defogger also

Any suggested foggers?

peak wind May 6, 2023, 8:45 AM

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muted tangle you dont really have any good priority sweeper counters other than like sucker p...

Alr ty

spare kiln May 6, 2023, 10:26 AM

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raven granite Z moves werent in xy either...

They were

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Z moves were released in SM

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Oh I thought for a second XY=SM

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