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[nova inlet]

what…

[brittle rapids]

https://pokepast.es/c6a4da9a86c1e8a0

used to have incin, brought in garchomp because incin doesnt deal enough damage

[dreamy tiger]

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1788308-sucwyk4kn1f4dwpeaqgp

[ripe turret]

you could do quick attack>psychic but honestly up to you

sash basc is usually adamant for the extra damage

it looks fine

not a fan of gallade but you clearly are using it as the focus of the team

[spiral robin]

yea i just wanted to build something not completely standard

bc thats boring

and gallade be doing big damage tbh

unsure if i need tr on it rather than other coverage but tbx

tbd*

[ripe turret]

you could honestly go either way

I like having the flexibility of TR there though

[daring fable]

Ok. Though if you had to rate the original team what would you have given it

[heavy hatch]

ohk i tried something today - i tried making a psyspam team - started with mega delphox:
https://pokepast.es/09bf1f54f44abdcf

Replaced it with alakazam and then replaced Meowscarada with kleivor

and now replaced kleivor with orthworm and this is my new team.

https://pokepast.es/0315979185106f46
Please review and give feedback. This is my second team i made - with some suggestions from other people

[ripe turret]

well tbh we don’t actually like give teams a rating, this is more just like a help channel

although if you really wanna know

prob like

a 6/10

maybe a 5 tbh

but that’s rating it with smth like wolfe’s 2016 worlds team as a 10

[daring fable]

I was just curious but I'd take that sort of rating honestly. Also I'm having tons of fun with the team too

[ripe turret]

honestly waterfall’s flinch chance is not worth it since basc is actually rather slow without scarf, and the extra bp of liquidation actually makes a visible difference when considering the adaptability boost

[spiral robin]

yea that makes sense, the idea is more it outspeeds in tr or tw but will def consider swapping it out

i feel like ive just seen more of it lately wanted to try it out haha

[ripe turret]

idt yache is worth it unless it lets you live like mfross blizz? lowk roseli, soft sand, and scarf all seem like they would do more there

[ripe turret]

that’s honestly fair, it probably won’t end up mattering too much anyways

and the flinch does let you hax games more

[spiral robin]

i think the thing ive been struggling with most has been opposing sun haha

[ripe turret]

but generally speaking I like safer options

since the goal should be playing in a way where you don’t need the flinch to win

[brittle rapids]

anything else

[ripe turret]

everything else looks fine

though I do have to question the defense investment on kg

is that for a specific calc that investing in hp doesn’t hit?

[brittle rapids]

90% of living jolly sneasler cc

should i make it 100%

[ripe turret]

it should live with chople anyways though right?

[brittle rapids]

o shoot this is the wrong spread my actual one is on champions

[ripe turret]

oh ok

[ripe turret]

that looks good, I’m an aura sphere hater but the fighting coverage does look useful here specifically

[spiral robin]

yeah thats fair fs, do u have any recommendations for helping w opposing sun

[dreamy tiger]

I do probably need to change that Archaludon spread though that's a gen 9 AV stat spread

[ripe turret]

trick room

as long as you can get it up gallade should do work

[ripe turret]

yeah arch doesn’t really need speed investment imo

actually

you probably want 3 speed

[spiral robin]

i think its just a little tough to do vs opp zard y cause it nukes farig haha

[dreamy tiger]

Does 1 spe really count as investment

[ripe turret]

to outdo scarf basc in tw

[ripe turret]

yeah not having any sort of support for farig kinda sucks for that

[spiral robin]

yea i usually have a maus

[ripe turret]

you could theoretically tech ancient power zard

[spiral robin]

u think sitrus over colbur and running more def to live vs gambit would help

[ripe turret]

but idk if that even KOs

[ripe turret]

you could do that yes

[brittle rapids]

does u not have fake out

[ripe turret]

farig probably doesn’t need max spatk

[spiral robin]

nah this is the paste https://pokepast.es/456e3862c227aa17

[brittle rapids]

ic

[spiral robin]

is there a fake out mon that beats basc 🤡

[ripe turret]

mlop

lmao

[spiral robin]

😩

[ripe turret]

idt it lives wave crash though

but at least you can fake it out

for a partner

[spiral robin]

i feel like the only thing id be able to swap out is gambit but thats my basc check lmaoo

[ripe turret]

yeah

you could potentially do aero>whims

[spiral robin]

this is true

kinda sucks that i just hunted for shiny whims but thats an un-problem

[ripe turret]

time to use simisage

(probably still dies to wave crash)

[spiral robin]

if it doesnt it def dies to lr 😂

[ripe turret]

oh yk what

silk scarf scrappy kang

the fake out last resort set

[spiral robin]

do u think that would work here lmao

[ripe turret]

lowk yeah

[spiral robin]

over gambit?

[ripe turret]

yeah

[spiral robin]

do those just run hp and atj

atk

[ripe turret]

think so

[spiral robin]

n then u think still swap colbur for sitrus on farig or nah

[ripe turret]

you could keep colbur then tbh

because you become rather weak to kg if zard/gallade get chipped

[spiral robin]

heard

ill probably still switch for a bulkier spread unless u think ill need the spatk for something but tbh i just took the most used off the munchstats thing

[weak tusk]

Raichu Pikachu

[spiral robin]

and when they take 50% from aqua jet 😭

https://tenor.com/view/shiftry-pokemon-whirlwind-gif-5328946800783157987

when the world needed him the most he disappeared

[weak tusk]

then mega Blastoise?
Liepard?
Simisage?😂

[simple gorge]

https://pokepast.es/d182c3263d8e1666
Kyurem-White is a favourite of mine and i tried to make it work but this team doesn't even look right on the builder and i really need help with it, i think Whimsicott and Amoonguss are the liabilities

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[simple gorge]

SV by the way, for Regulation G

if i made for Reg I i think second restricted would be Lunala

[weak tusk]

I believe someone built a famous team for him at that time, was spec......?
you may want to search for the team.

[weak tusk]

lol why is milotic using shell bell man...
and yeah I didn't mention it but milotic has hydro pump that more powerful than scald and I believe it's still usable out of gravity...

I don't hate the worm, but I would like a speed control more, and kleavor has tailwind.
Or give it a trick room option.
You know either delphox or Alakazam hate being outspeeded

Garchomp can have scale shot for the speed? or even mega it for a 2nd mega option, snealser coaching, when opponent is rlly not psychic friendly...yeah I know all the team has at least 1 dark type.

[dreamy tiger]

Throat chop snease maybe? Can't fake out directly but it outspeeds after unburden and can do lots of damage with throat chop

Though I haven't done the calc on whether it OHKOs without tera

[austere swift]

Scrappy Kang

[tranquil anchor]

https://pokepast.es/6eb553494c0a2ff1

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[spiral robin]

we went with scrappy kang haha

[tranquil anchor]

Are you beating basc now

[spiral robin]

ive been dealing with opposing basc fine enough between tr/tw sun and fake out

i was more worried abt beating opposing sun but having fake out more easily guarantees the tr

might switch tr on gallade for something if i continue to never click it lol

[tranquil anchor]

No real reason to have it when you already have tr on farig

Id say use wide guard

[spiral robin]

will consider fs

i feel like most the time i just want to click damaging move bc sharpness is so dumb lmao

[weak tusk]

what exactly opposing sun bother you? if zard, your zard can use ancient power

if it's the Garchomp, you can manage whim to 2hko it?

[spiral robin]

thats so meme-y lmao but i think adding kang over gambit will help get tr up

bc most the issue was no disruption or redirection and farig gets nuked by weather ball

and didnt wanna add something that loses to gambit

i mean basc

[weak tusk]

what do you mean? you wanna replace your Basculegion?

[spiral robin]

n

i meant i wanted to change gambit to sum that had disruption and didnt lose to basc

[weak tusk]

what do you mean disruption?

[spiral robin]

fake out

disruption basically moves that make the opponents moves not work/locked into/etc lmao

disrupts them yk

[weak tusk]

okay...yeah then kang is a good choice, but you will need mega kang if you wanna finish the game while tr is up

[spiral robin]

like fake out encore taunt

silk scarf last resort fake out kang is a thing

[weak tusk]

sableye fulfill your need, foul play against Basculegion 😂

[spiral robin]

not when u take 100% from late game last respects lmao

u can burn too ig

but i like being able to fake out basculegion 🤭

and people think they can switch in incineroar comfortably and they cant which is funny

bc scrappy blocks intim

[tranquil anchor]

They already have basc they dont need to do this

Ancient power doesnt really hit anything besides opposing zardy anyways

[spiral robin]

wb is alr a 2hko so meh

[weak tusk]

he's the one who claims bothered by opposing sun man

[spiral robin]

but my issue fr was more turn 1 sun and not being able to get a tr off

hence fake out

so basically i lose to zard farig but thats more okay ig

[weak tusk]

gallade ➡️ snealser with rock slides, done

you don't even need a tr

[spiral robin]

the whole point was using gallade so ima pass

[tranquil anchor]

Does gallade not get rock slide?

[spiral robin]

100% chance to ohko gambit through its chople berry is too funny to me

it does

[weak tusk]

is it ohko if gallade got intimidated?

oh u hv the herb now

I thought u were black belt

[spiral robin]

we swapped it out

[tranquil anchor]

32 Atk Gallade Rock Slide vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 156-184 (100.6 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Thats not even adamant

[spiral robin]

this is the current paste https://pokepast.es/82413aa546e6ceb7

[tranquil anchor]

Could you post the current version of the team?

Oh

[spiral robin]

zard is eved to live a rock slide from chomp

[tranquil anchor]

Ada or jolly?

[spiral robin]

for what

[tranquil anchor]

Adamant or jolly chomp?

For the rock slide calc

[spiral robin]

jolly

who runnin adamant chomp

[tranquil anchor]

Me

[spiral robin]

that speed tier is so important for it

[tranquil anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/pooty-tang-gif-10326027763653795569

[spiral robin]

u want chomp thats slower than zard? 😭😭

[weak tusk]

I am curious how do you build the team around gallade... I mean zard doesn't seems direct match with gallade

[tranquil anchor]

Also most scarf chomp are adamant so

[tranquil anchor]

Yes i love fat ass garchomp

[spiral robin]

18% jolly 9% adamant

meh

ill consider fat chomp an option again when helmet is back lmao

[tranquil anchor]

Anyways

Back onto the topic

32+ Atk Gallade Rock Slide vs. 8 HP / 16 Def Mega Charizard Y: 144-172 (89.4 - 106.8%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO

This is what gallade rock slide does to ur own zard for example

[spiral robin]

i quite literally didnt know what mega to use and plopped the most dumb one obviously lmaoo

[tranquil anchor]

So id consider slotting it

[tranquil anchor]

If ur using gallade with zard then you really want wide guard

[spiral robin]

yea its an option ill be trying

ive been doing decently enough w it most of my losses were just bc low ladder shit catching me off guard lol

like wym ur running aero lycan double rock slide lead to flinch my leads to death and then get all misses vs your bright powder hisuian goodra 😭

[tranquil anchor]

I lost to hisuian goodra ONCE and immediately slotted encore on the team bro fuck that shelter shit

[spiral robin]

i quite literally would have won if i didnt miss every move against it lmao

[spiral robin]

bc sacred sword eventually one shot it once i hit

dumb

i was yelling slurs at my tv

the ones im allowed to use ofc

[weak tusk]

nobody is using haze but that is efficient against body press users, kommo, milotic, archaludon......

[spiral robin]

the only mon i can think of using haze on is milotic

but i also wanna run 19 other moves on milotic

[weak tusk]

and the stock pile fissure snorlax

[tranquil anchor]

Dnite

[spiral robin]

ig i could see that if u dont need it to tw

[tranquil anchor]

You can just drop protect or low kick

[spiral robin]

the other things i kinda wanna build with are tinkaton and paldean tauros lmao

kinda wanna use zard x too

that one coaching sneas plus dd zard x team seems evil asf 😭

[heavy hatch]

I would firstly like to thank you for helping me out 🙂
I liked Kleavor, but i like Orthworm in this team to safely bring in Alakazam coz they are frail
Between Kleavor and Sneasler, Sneasler looks better, especially against steel and dark types.

For milotic, I will try Hydro pump and give it maybe mystic water. im guessing scale shot is replace dragon claw which looks good tbh. If i bring coaching sneasler, should i replace it with protect ?

[weak tusk]

welcome
I won't use shed tail and iron def at the same time so...up to you

if you are gonna shed tail, give him sitrus so milotic can have leftover, which has a synergy with hypnosis

you may want to bait the fake out but in fact do coaching at the lead, so perhaps fake out is the 1 you could replace if you are playing cts
however speed control is rlly a thing you want to have...
rock tomb from snealser or icy wind milotic may help Alakazam, he is rlly fast that out speed many -1 tw pkm

I know moveset space is not enough but tw tr is the problem you have to face

and you don't rlly need shadow ball that much, Alakazam has a good move pool just like other gen 1, you may find sth handy.

[hard sage]

https://pokepast.es/f0a698ff4dcc46e6

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[cunning tinsel]

Is focus sash + swords dance sneasler a viable sett

[heavy hatch]

Tried making a new Charizard X team and was trying to build another team:
https://pokepast.es/7b9e2165ff81f1d4

This looks similar to a VGC team who came in second in an victory road tournament! They used tyranitar and have some difference. What would be weakness of this team and should i remove mega aerodactyl and put mega tyranitar ?

[bronze ether]

basculegion

also u got protect on incin instead of fake out

??

[heavy hatch]

Basc instead of milotic? Yeah I think you're right about fake out! I'm replacing protect with fake out

[bronze ether]

no like

u struggle against basculegion

ttar can kinda deal with it better

glimmora might also be a problem?

[heavy hatch]

So I'm a total noob but won't milotic be a counter to glimmora?

[bronze ether]

yea but i also see like glimmora countering like 4 monms

mons

aero, sneasler, incin, zard

all die to glim

pretty easily

glim is often run with sun teams

[heavy hatch]

Ttar would be good for this match up right?

[bronze ether]

so scald will also be less effective

[bronze ether]

it would be better than aero into it

ive seen high horsepower ttars

[heavy hatch]

Oh yeah, that was the team i was referring! Sorry if I'm too enthusiastic, this is my third day trying to build teams

[bronze ether]

nah i get it

trying to build teams is pretty fun

[heavy hatch]

Ok, asking you to be devil's advocate, any reason to have aero instead of ttar?

[bronze ether]

tailwind

wide guard

[heavy hatch]

Especially if you liked Pokemon your whole life!

[bronze ether]

rockslide flinches

[bronze ether]

ive only gotten into pokemon quite recently

[bronze ether]

ur only slower than like 3 mons

with base aero

with like

mega jolly 32 aero

ur slower than like 2 mons

*outside of tailwind

[heavy hatch]

I played my first game as Pokemon yellow !!

[bronze ether]

my first was pokemon plat

quite recently

[heavy hatch]

I played in 2004, so 2 decades ago 😂😂

[bronze ether]

damnn

i finished plat in like

may

[heavy hatch]

Also tr would be not that great but ttar could operate in tr as well?

[bronze ether]

yea

[heavy hatch]

Nice!!

[bronze ether]

ignore gira

he didnt do anything at all

golduck and jolteon were the stars

[heavy hatch]

I was old school, no legendaries to clear the game, sometimes it would take the fun out and no protect on any team during play through

[bronze ether]

yea i didnt wanna either but i was hella under leveled to cynthia

[heavy hatch]

Cynthia is goat in terms of champions. Before fairy was introduced, her team was a real headache especially spiritomb, milo and chomp

[zinc imp]

why are we misusing the rating thread meant for vgc

[bronze ether]

oh yea

my apologies

[heavy hatch]

My fault. Sorry

[bronze ether]

@heavy hatch that team was made pretty early into the meta game

alot of things have changed since then

u might wanna try a bit more

and see what ur struggling with

[heavy hatch]

Fair enough! I might try this team and try ttar

[bronze ether]

whimsicott and glimmora might be a scary lead

[heavy hatch]

I also wanted to see if I can try kleavor anywhere

[bronze ether]

i dont have much knowledge on kleavor

[heavy hatch]

I hate encore whims

[bronze ether]

i know hes pretty good into stuff like kingambit and zard y

[dawn elm]

https://pokepast.es/4f38433b3a0b36d2

Can I have help, it’s been kinda 50/50 on if I win or lose

[tranquil anchor]

Thats 2 zard X teams in a row wtf

[tranquil anchor]

Why are you waterfall on basc?

Also glim looks like a problem

[dawn elm]

What’s wrong with Glim

Also water fall was just a mistake, I meant to have wave crash

[ripe turret]

the rise of zardx

[heavy hatch]

I'll be honest, i have a bias towards zardx even when it was released so wanted to make a team. I'm just lucky it is on the rise !

[brittle rapids]

we fr rn

[tranquil anchor]

No like, a problem for your team

It hits 5/6 mons here for super effective damage

Also im pretty sure even with shuca you lose to most opposing glim

[tranquil anchor]

The real awner is passho incin

[sweet maple]

the team doesnt really synergize well

[dawn elm]

How can I improve it

[sweet maple]

first of all find a core of pokemon

three pokemon who work well

then we can build off that

[dawn elm]

I’ve mainly been used snealer+charazard+arcdlocy

[sweet maple]

you can add kingambit into that team

as those 4 pokemon synergize well

then you could add garchomp and floette

or incin floette

and go for double fake out

[dawn elm]

https://pokepast.es/34c10b64809cb772

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[dawn elm]

More like this?

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/ec5165decc67f539 ive been contemplating wether to use sinistcha or farig for the tr mode because i also kinda want a redirectioner for floette against things like sneasler and such but farig also gives priority immunity against encore whimsicott whch has been fucking me up alot

[weak tusk]

can't you kill whim with your talon before she can encore you? use dual wing with sharp beak if sash is in the way

if that still doesn't work, you know talon can use quick guard

I understand coaching is handy but your team doesn't have many phy + kind of bulk pkm

[thin spindle]

https://pokepast.es/e991740741ec074c vgc 2026 reg m-a bo3
i feel like my team may be a bit patchwork, but I tried to link each mon together like slowking-g into floette or pelipper into basc. first vgc team.

[tranquil anchor]

Why is zard Y here

Wait actually all of this is bad hold on

1. You probably dont want glimmora on the team if you have peli since it just gets nuked in rain. Could be excusable if you were focus sash but you are not.
2. This glim set is genuinely ass.
   3.Get rid of Zardy here. Directly contradicts Peli and basc.
3. Replace hydro pump on pelipper for tailwind or wide guard, and put protect over u-turn.
4. Protect over flip turn on basc.
5. Dazzling over drain kiss on floette, protect over alluring voice
6. Slowking literally doesnt do anything here. You arent even using it for the 1 niche it has on HTR

[weak tusk]

Is this for single battle? We are talking abt double here

If you are joining double, we welcome you. but don't run before you can walk, find some team sheet online and use those well build team first.

[vagrant orchid]

I think I cooked with this team, thoughts?
https://pokepast.es/5d3defbb8a032351

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[distant trellis]

I don't really get why there's a tr mode here

Or like

Imprison tr

[vagrant orchid]

It's to disable trickroom teams

[distant trellis]

You have a mold breaker fake out tbf

Just fake out the farigiraf and start blasting blizzards

[vagrant orchid]

Oh yea that's smart

What should I replace farigaraf with

[distant trellis]

And also no attacks farig is kinda trolling idk

Mega froslass teams tend to go all in on the speed control these days and are usually paired with a rock type

Ig rock slide dragonite isn't the worst partner but still a tad interesting

[distant trellis]

Try sash kleavor thats something that's been picking up as of late

[vagrant orchid]

Really?

No way kleavor has a niche

[distant trellis]

It does

https://www.vrpastes.com/acrgDk3J

This just won the most recent victory road tournament

Second place also had a kleavor

[vagrant orchid]

This is a cool set I'll try it out

[distant trellis]

The theory is pretty simple

It ruins zardy

If they lead zard they risk getting blown up immediately

And if they don't they take 50% on switchin from stealth rocks

Coupled with feint on kleavor to break wide guard which annoys froslass

Another option is glimmora if you want

Just sash not mega

[vagrant orchid]

I already have one poison mon I prefer the utility of kleavor so that feels better

[distant trellis]

I do think you want a priority tailwind with froslass rather than dragonite fwiw

So you don't run the risk of being outsped by a faster mon before dragonite can move

Froslass has been trying to reinvent itself for a little while as its been struggling and it landed primarily on tailwind hyper offence

[vagrant orchid]

Problem with prankster tailwind setters is that they can be faked out dragonite can't and I've removed farigaraf so I'm more in threat of fakeout

[distant trellis]

It's probably fine

But I'd keep that in mind

[vagrant orchid]

Yea

[distant trellis]

I do like meowscarada here tho

Sniping basculegion is super important

[vagrant orchid]

Yeah that's the main reason I added it alongside it being one of my fav mons

[distant trellis]

This looks ok for the most part but I'd be weary of teams with priority tailwind

Just make sure you keep fake out pressure

And you should be fine

[vagrant orchid]

It's just whimscott that does It right?

[distant trellis]

Talonflame asw

[vagrant orchid]

I can handle them with sneasler and dragonite so I should be fine

[distant trellis]

Yeah just be careful cause froslass going down would spell disaster

You could consider uhhh

Espeed dnite

Instead of rock slide

Since you have kleavor

[vagrant orchid]

Okay I'll do that

Okay thanks for the help

[burnt elbow]

I'm struggling a lot with getting good ev spreads for my pokemon. Can anyone please help? https://pokepast.es/ee16abf5a6605639

[bronze ether]

If ur kingambit spread is to live sneasler cc then u need chople berry too to make it work

Kingambit can live cc with 32 hp eva 3 def evs and chople berry

[silk warren]

https://pokepast.es/5d5933f9b3b6769d hi id like some feedback on this idk how i can make the fairy mu better here or if i even need to

[charred knoll]

https://pokepast.es/1b25b464b92be9ad
I'm still relatively new to VGC so I was wondering if I could get any feedback on my Champions M-A VGC team?

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[tranquil anchor]

You have 0 speed control

And this team isnt bulky enough to afford that

[thin spindle]

this is double idk what i was talking ab

[thin spindle]

thank you

[weak tusk]

you are new so you better find some team sheet that have both Floette and zard y, learn from them, including ev, use it. adjust them if you don't like it.

you can replace zard y with your delphox and try that out, still faster and better than build it from scratch

[weak tusk]

Meowscar ➡️ snealser?
but you may want a sp atk pkm too, all of them except rotom are phy, a screen arch will wall you all

[split reef]

Main varient: https://pokepast.es/bd156c5ecb7c49c5
Testing varients
https://pokepast.es/dde6b59494c61597
https://pokepast.es/ea9dc9f3ed9492c4

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[drifting onyx]

Hey @smoky zenith, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9championsbss team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060690402711183370 instead.

[smoky zenith]

https://pokepast.es/5fc80825572655b2 fixed the format

[silk warren]

kinda want some shit against bascu though

as for arch tbh i js have alot of se covg against it but idk it might be a problem ig

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/1a102a0394d53721 Is there any way to add in some fighting coverage? also a better 3rd move for ttar would be nice as i dont really like ddance too much

[heavy hatch]

close combat ttar ?

[bronze ether]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

ill try like low kick

[heavy hatch]

cool !

[cedar plank]

https://pokepast.es/f42b5f319be09932
tried to build xard
should've used silk scarf on kang smh

[compact jungle]

built my own spin on charizard offense from what ive seen on ladder, its my first charizard team since i felt its lame until i got this idea

main mode is lead charizard and scarf garchomp and usually just heat wave earthquake
but in the back are orthworm and dragonite.

if charizard is the first one dead, i throw in orthworm and have slow shed tail into multiscale dragonite, and multiscales interaction with a substitute is kinda the secret sauce of the team. you just get another turn of substitute a lot of times and win off it

if garchomp is the first one dead, that usually means i got to do both attacks, so just charizards heat wave usually is enough pressure that turn for dragonite to just dragon dance and easily live the turn. then i have another earthquake spamming dragon for the orthworm in the back.
(the other 2 mons are sylveon just if i feel like earthquake spam doesnt work into the opponent, and metal coat max attack scizor to deal with teams that rely on aerodactyl, tyranitar, sylveon or floette)

not sure what item i really want on the dragonite, i almost wanna say since sitrus is on the worm that bright powder would be good with the extra chance from substitute, but also id feel awful for that with how much i rant about that item on a regular basis
rn it has a yache berry

dragonite is EVd to outspeed mega froslass after a dd, its the fastest thing that threatens it i could feasibly EV it for

help with the 2 situational mons and potentially the dragonite item very welcome

[mighty hare]

Scizor is certainly interesting for a sun team

[compact jungle]

yea i really am not sure about it
it generally sits in the back if i expect a weather war against rain, and i kinda just swap the charizard into scizor conceding the weather war, then sometimes u-turn back to charizard. as i said i'm very unsure about the sylveon and scizor slots though

another funny one i was thinking about was heliolisk to deal with flying types - and it walls basculegion entirely which would usually be a problem for the charizard

but i felt thats too troll since ive NEVER seen it in champions before

[weak tusk]

I believe you can find a coaching snealser zard x team on the net.
as incin is popular, d dance is not enough for set up

[cedar plank]

this is sd tho

[weak tusk]

ok...my bad

[weak tusk]

don't you want a sinischa to recover flare Blize dam? and redirect?

[compact jungle]

thoughts?
would be the same plan as scizor - dedicated "okay i guess ill take the rain"-rain counter immune to water and ghost

[cedar plank]

hmm
over whimsicott?

[weak tusk]

how do you deal with opposing tw?

[weak tusk]

no...if a s dance zard lose speed, it's over

[cedar plank]

ngl the mon i bring out the least is the flame cat
so maybe over that

[compact jungle]

fought it twice and won, and usually i just trade them getting tailwind for 1-2 kos turn 1. most tailwind setters except maybe aerodactyl really cant live against my lead, and i can clean it up after that with how bulky the orthworm and dragonite in the back are

[weak tusk]

fair

[cedar plank]

what's the common spread for sinistcha rn

[weak tusk]

tailwind setter do not have to live😂 they are usually less aggressive, setter dies, attacker comes in, 2 attacker at the same time is the best situation

[weak tusk]

you can find it easily on the net or at the app

[compact jungle]

well usually both mons from the opponent die

theres also just stalling it out a bit with protects while garchomp with scarf outspeeds some stuff even in tailwind

it hasnt been a big problem.. yet

[weak tusk]

let's say opponent lead whim+chomp, tailwind+rock slide/dragon claw your chomp, whim dies, opposing zard y comes in, rock slide heat wave

[compact jungle]

pretty sure my garchomp lives 2 rock slides and a heatwave unless its adamant garchomp

but yes i havent encountered whimsicott garchomp lead with this yet

[weak tusk]

forget the first rock slide, opponent usually claw your chomp

zard can't threaten opposing chomp so ignore zard is the most common play

[compact jungle]

in that case their chomp dies to heat wave earthquake right?
does dq just oneshot me? wait let me calc

[weak tusk]

can your chomp lives d claw?

[compact jungle]

pretty confidently yea - and thats adamant

its an unlikely roll on max atk, and safe on jolly

though, looking at it, that garchomp also lives heat wave earthquake. so its up to the burn - but usually i lose that if they then press rock slide the turn after that

id say the tailwind matchup is okay even if i just go with my main 4

slightly unfavorable, but i dont think its worth dedicating a slot for

[weak tusk]

can your zard tank a rock slide?

[compact jungle]

absolutely not

[weak tusk]

ev it to do it

or opponent can rock slide+moonblast ur chomp instead of 1st turn tw

[compact jungle]

thatd cost me the turn 1 oneshot on espeon, floette AND aerodactyl

i thought about calcing that

[weak tusk]

what espeon?

[compact jungle]

uh
sylveon

pink.

eevee.

[weak tusk]

ok

[compact jungle]

[weak tusk]

I don't understand what that matter with those mons

[compact jungle]

sylveon or floette being able to do anything destroys both garchomp and dragonite
dragonite has a chance if it has the shed tail, but even then it doesnt really do big damage against them

i can deal with a garchomp with my last 2

cant with a sylveon

[weak tusk]

you mean less aggressive zard cannot kill sylveon with heat wave eq?

[compact jungle]

yup, since they invest in bulk generally

[weak tusk]

if she is so threatening, use your weather ball

[compact jungle]

i can also use heat wave iron head, both ways work

beating it with the double spread move is just nice

but yes if i did change the evs i could do that
ill check on the damage numbers there, might optimize for that, good call

mmm
yea if i ev charizard to live rock slide i cant kill the opponents garchomp even with solar beam earthquake, id have to run dragon claw on my own garchomp AND change the charizard evs just for specifically tailwind plus garchomp lead

at that point i might as well just lead orthworm charizard and protect charizard plus shed tail into dragonite turn 1

honestly orthworm lead into garchomp looks pretty fine

i just cant do that if i see tailwind, garchomp AND charizard, because charizard lead from opponent beats me there

ech ill just play some more and see how it goes if i find that matchup

ill try the heliolisk for rain because its funny though

[compact jungle]

(bruh)

[compact jungle]

https://pokepast.es/418eba966cc39aaa

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[compact jungle]

updated version of the one i posted before, now with the weird lizard as well as overhauled evs on zard

garchomp zard lead with orthworm dragonite in the back is the default

secret sauce being slow shed tail into dragonite to use its multiscale multiple times and get extra juice from the substitute

the lead either outspeeds and kills adamant garchomps and the charizard lives jolly garchomp rock slides and then kills.
heliolisk in the back in case i see rain teams - hardswitch charizard when i expect a water attack coming and go from there - its also the dumbest way to wall basculegion. AND nobody expects it to be dry skin when they see charizard

team also cares surprisingly little (okay maybe a bit, but its far from game over) even if the charizard gets sniped early ESPECIALLY if from tailwind adamant garchomp - that garchomp and that tailwind setter usually cant deal with the orthworm at all and it gets to do the shed tail into dragonite without issues

[zinc imp]

the closest i will ever get to a viable team
https://pokepast.es/fbaec0d1182075cb

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bronze ether]

3 water types

Prob not the best idea

[zinc imp]

it worked

[heavy hatch]

This is from personal experience but stamina Archaludon is a menace !!

but that could be my bias

[autumn wolf]

https://pokepast.es/60ac9f7636256291

i havent ev'd stuff yet

[vagrant vigil]

"We have The Wall at home"
https://pokepast.es/b9fdc4ccb7e12e47

[vagrant vigil]

I've learned Sand only doubles Rock type spd and not ground and now my entire day is ruined because of rotom

[zinc imp]

i mean
the sturdy arch helps to survive sneasler cc and ko back
unlike stamina which dies without any defense boosts beforehand

[heavy hatch]

Why doesn't my sneasler ko stamina arch 😭😭😭😭

[zinc imp]

no defense boosts before getting cc'ed

[heavy hatch]

Hmm thanks! I'll try next time

[zinc imp]

bulkier arch also survives

[heavy hatch]

I beat arch once after coaching twice on ttar and then high horsepower

[zinc imp]

cool thing right there

[heavy hatch]

Mine is 32, but even that should be 2hko right?

[zinc imp]

32 what
def or some

[heavy hatch]

My sneasler is 32 atk not 32+

So it will still be 2hko right?

[zinc imp]

yeah
do you run sash on your sneasler or

[heavy hatch]

Yup, sash and poison point

[zinc imp]

aight

[heavy hatch]

In case i want to go coaching, atleast i can get 1 coaching

[heavy hatch]

https://pokepast.es/9b85059b12ce7402
This is my zardx team, I would love if someone can tell me if the evs on zard are ok or should i modify this ?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow shoal]

Please help me add 1 more pokemon and help me choose which pokemon zoroark will copy

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/38efcb8a0f680cca opinions?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow shoal]

Help me add 1 pokemon please

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/07693e4455e0437e

Thoughts on this TR Team

[heavy hatch]

What about mega aerodactyl ?

[hollow shoal]

Nah ive moved on from this

I need help with sum else tho

Help me add more pokemon

[heavy hatch]

I have seen whims and glimmora a lot

Rain teams have archaludon which might be good

Basculegion or kingambit for endgame

[bright cradle]

I don't know if this is the right channel for this team. But I've been running a off meta mega Garchomp. I've had an ok success with it, winning 27 matches in 50. But I'm trying to figure out solutions to teams running Sinischa. Because my counters usually die before I'm given a chance to kill. Here's the team
https://share.google/Zr4FqpCzcVYKJSuAd

[ripe turret]

this looks very all over the place

mchomp is ok if you want to build around it but it’s not a mon I would recommend, you also don’t have a good EQ partner outside of talon which is very concerning since your only other damage is dragon claw

not sure what klefki does here, I’m not seeing a reason to not just run ttar, and also that set is quite horrendous

talon does not pair well with sand at all due to sandstorm chipping away gale wings

no need for both cc and low kick on sneas

fairy feather is a better item on sylv, shadow ball is not necessary, and neither is dkiss since it’s just so weak, do hyper beam in one slot and you can choose between psychic, moonblast, cm, and yawn for the other

heliolisk is not a mon you use other than specifically to counter basc, it has no other niche and is not worth using due to its bad stats, and it certainly won’t work with the set you’re using it with

if you want to build around mchomp I’d start with it, ttar, and corv and go from there

sylv is keepable, and then you want a scarfer

basc is usable there

and then a support mon as your sixth

[bright cradle]

I'm only running klefki over ttar because of its prankster. And not having a good counter to grass or fighting types

And I only ran talonflame for fun

[ripe turret]

you don’t need prankster sandstorm when you can just set it on switch

generally speaking there isn’t a reason to run manual weather outside of specific cases like sablarch

[bright cradle]

K, any ideas for the last support mon?

[ripe turret]

washtom

[bright cradle]

K, set?

[ripe turret]

just bulky sitrus

hydro tbolt wisp

[bright cradle]

K, and for the ttar?

[ripe turret]

3 attacks chople

slide knock and low kick

[bright cradle]

Thx

[ripe turret]

np

[bright cradle]

To double check, this?
https://share.google/c16WFBKlcAlMQLgHQ

[ripe turret]

fake out>acro on sneas, hyper beam>psychic/cm on sylv, and jet>liquidation on basc

mchomp's EVs are also weird

generally speaking hp investment is the best way to increase overall bulk

and you want some attack investment in favor of speed since mchomp is naturally slow, there's no point in investing heavily in speed

[bright cradle]

I only had the mchomp's ivs like that because of mfroslass blizzard kicking my butt

[ripe turret]

I highly doubt it will live one with that training anyways

yeah there's no way to survive that

[bright cradle]

K

[ripe turret]

I think the fastest you'd want to go on mchomp is 132

which outspeeds mons creeping sash basc

like some cm mfloes for example

[bright cradle]

So should I test
Garchomp-Mega (F) @ Garchompite
Ability: Sand Force
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Dragon Claw
• Swords Dance
• Protect

[ripe turret]

Garchomp-Mega @ Garchompite
Ability: Sand Force
Level: 50
EVs: 22 HP / 20 Atk / 4 Def / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Dragon Claw
• Swords Dance
• Protect

this is a set I calced

hits the speed tier I mentioned earlier, attack hits the nature bump, guaranteed to live max modest mfloe gleam and good chance to live 2 cc's from sneas

[bright cradle]

K, I'll try it

[ripe turret]

actually if you do 23hp and 3 def that gives you better odds for sneas

7.5% for a 2hko I believe

[bright cradle]

Bet

[bright cradle]

Also, what's the website u use for calcs

[ripe turret]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[bright cradle]

And like this?

[ripe turret]

yeah

[bright cradle]

I'll try it. So the leads are ttar and who? MChomp and Sneasler?

[weak tusk]

man we are not ai chatbot or coaching machines. if you want the team the spread and even play style all from others, find a team report online is much more efficient.

there are tutorials on youtube abt ev, team building...you can do your research, do the damage cal before you put your draft here and let others do it for you.

[tranquil anchor]

Swords dance gambit

[tranquil anchor]

@ripe turret pinging you too since you're the one who helped with this – i really dont think this team has the support to make double setup work

Theres no form of redirection here or really even speed control outside of scarf basc

Take Dawei's team for example

Id really reccomend atleast like uncin and sinistcha here, likely over the sneasler and basc spots

[bright cradle]

I found the team works surprisingly well. But sometimes I see no reason for Sylveon other than Archaludon. So I'll probably add sinistcha over Sylveon

[weak tusk]

as a htr team, I see no efficient support at turn 1 to make your tr starts.
you don't want a snealser next to tr setter after tr is up.
you need more weapon against incin other than an intimidated Golurk.

[weak tusk]

why would you have 2 fire weakness mega at the same team? and the only weapon against zard y is the dolphin that water moves is halve by sun

[ripe turret]

that’s true, but at the same time there’s no harm in helping out a little, that’s the entire point of this channel

and considering that mchomp is more of an off-meta pick there probably aren’t many good resources online about it

[ripe turret]

it depends, you can either lead chomp next to support like washtom or sneas or lead smth like basc sneas for immediate pressure

[ripe turret]

yeah on second thought I think rock slide is better on chomp here

[bright cradle]

I've just been leading washtom with Sylveon or Sneasler

[ripe turret]

and you changed cm for hyper beam right

[bright cradle]

Yep

And I've been leading ttar into Peliper to counter the drizzle

[ripe turret]

I think you probably want to leave ttar in the back against rain

because they don’t always lead with peli

[bright cradle]

True

But I haven't ran into a person who hasn't yet

Most people just go immediately for their tactic instead of thinking it through

[weak tusk]

yeah I know. but ppl just throw their draft or idea without second thought, knowing nth, did none basic research or learning how to build a team, no actual testing on showdown... is just annoying.

I am not requiring them build a well build team but at least they should do all they can before asking.

and this man even have a YT after his name...making you to build a team+team report for his youtube channel? and may not even mentioned your effort in the video?
even if he does, is it fair for you?

I feel like can we open a channel or sth under ”rating my team” to put some basic resources there so ppl can read them before asking or committing same mistakes

or at the comp tips

[heavy hatch]

Yeah, I'm kind of guilty of that, even though my (not justified) excuse is that I'm new, but I still wanna apologize. I have a general question: how would you approach setting EVs as a beginner? Would you play on Showdown, and then, from the feedback, would you change the EVs based on the damage and speed tier? Or would you go somewhere to see the checks (actually dont know what that is but read it somewhere in this chat) or would it be some other way ?

[ripe turret]

so for EVs there's three ways you can approach it: the super lazy way, the semi lazy way, or the tryhard way

super lazy way is just to do 32/32/2 on everything, in most cases it'll work fine but for some mons it's definitely suboptimal

lazy way is to go on a site like munchstats or statcrusher and take the most used spreads off of there, the problem with that is different items/sets sometimes have different EVs so what works for one might not work for another, biggest example is with some mons that sometimes run sash but other times want bulkier sets

tryhard way is to build EVs from scratch, make a list of the meta threats, see which ones you have good/bad matchups into, and make your EVs to improve the matchup

generally speaking there are two ways to do this, either outspeed them or bulk out their attacks

it should be noted however that you should consider the opportunity cost of doing so, if outspeeding a single mon or living a single attack comes at the cost of a lot of your EVs it's often better to just invest them elsewhere and accept that your 1 on 1 matchup is going to be losing

[ripe turret]

I mean tbf that's partially what this channel is for, people come here all the time with untested team drafts asking for advice because they might not want to play a ton of games with it if the team is just flat out terrible

and I think it's fair for them to do that

it's just that with champions there's a lot of new players and a lot of teams being built so it might seem off-putting that so many people are just throwing out pastes, but I think that's a perfectly valid thing to do

half of our goal here is doing preliminary checks on teams and giving advice as to whether they can (and should) be used in a competitive setting, and whether it's worth continuing to work on them

[heavy hatch]

Ok sorry, but is there a dedicated resource to see the meta threats or would you need to compile them ?

[heavy hatch]

also thanks for sharing the damage calc, i thought sylveon matching was way worse than what the calc showed me. After a dragon dance or coaching, my zardx can 1ko any unboosted sylveon

[ripe turret]

I mean tbh you can just go on one of the previously listed sites (munchstats, statcrusher) and just look at the top 10 or 15 usage mons for reg m-a

or if you’re really lazy like me just think about them lol

[ripe turret]

yeah ofc, that’s why calcing things is really important

[heavy hatch]

maybe its good that i save all the replays, so i can use them to see where i messed up and check calc. Thanks for the help with my other question as well!

[weak tusk]

we are not here to argue so this will be my last reply abt this topic.

We are here to Rate but not Build team for others.

If their teams are terrible, they don't need tons of game to know that, a few games can make them know. if they win until tons of game, the team is not that bad.

We are happy if ppl here can get better at building and playing pkm.
And that's why they have to learn to do that themselves.
Champions have in game feature to check popular ev and moveset, dam cal is on the google search result team building concept is just at the youtube.

They need to learn those basic concepts or they never learn what or how they did wrong.

of course we have new joiners which is a good news.
But new joiners should use and understand well build team so they have image abt what is the best/good.

vgc is a complicated PVP game.

We can't teach them to write a good novel before they actually read and learn what is a good novel, how a story is structured like the opening, climax, solve......how they build up a character......

at the moment he asked abt the lead, you know you are the one who built the team, he's not with you, he has no idea abt what the team is doing. he didn't learn enough from it.
let them go and grow.

[lethal marsh]

Need help with my archaludon + sableye team

Im actually doing pretty well (currently at masterball rank 2) but I've noticed its becoming increasingly harder to get the win, especially with all the glimmora + whimsicott running around

I want to change the team up a little, but I have no idea how since each member seems essential in a way or another

-Mega Dragonite against water types (like blastoise and vivillon) and steel types
-Scarf basculegion for some needed speed and heavy damage against sylveon or floette
-Pelliper against opposing weather teams, keeping sableye alive long enough is impossible
-Sableye sinistcha and archaludon core which is the bedrock of the team

[lethal marsh]

I usually start with basculegion and sinistcha but then I kinda have to leave pelliper behind and they can simply double on one of the mons leaving me very vulnerable to the rest of their team

[hollow shoal]

Help me with champions i seem to be good at normal doubles and singles but idk champions is much more different for me

I need help w with this team help me add more pokemon that fit into this team please (also help me with the item of pelipper and its evs idk what to give it)

Maybe i give it a electric reduction berry?

[weak tusk]

1st of all, we may need the whole team sheet of your team, especially the dnite info
2nd, why would an arch got bothered by 2 steel weakness pkm...?
3rd, why would you lead sinischa?......instead of the sableye arch you mentioned

[lethal marsh]

Wait

[cedar plank]

https://pokepast.es/00c1ffd0755ce7f4
random 5 minute build
perish trap mode is mgar/politoed/incin/rotom
rain is politoed/bascu/arch/rotom
at least that's what i think
roast this all you want

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lethal marsh]

https://pokepast.es/b157a4e192c6d335

Very standard set with the only difference being sinistcha being able to live a 150 bp last respects 100% of the times

As for why not lead with archaludon and sableye

I need at least 3 hits to knock them out

I can't protect due to encore

If they double up my arch I am cooked

If they knock it out and have kingambit in the back I can't really do much

[left raptor]

I'm trying to make a team with mega starmie and I'm currently using this team any changes you recommend or specific weaknesses you can see?
https://pokepast.es/6c956121aab9c7bb

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/47e39d29e872bbbe tried using mega ttar

idk bout its ev's tho

[heavy hatch]

wait, correct me if im wrong but doesnt basc beat 4-5 pokemon in your team ?

[hollow shoal]

Hey does no one want to help..

[heavy hatch]

i mean i kind of gave options before 😛

[hollow shoal]

Not on this team

[heavy hatch]

How is this team different than what you posted ?

[hollow shoal]

oh shi

I have bad memory sorry haha

Can you help me add an item for pelipper tho?

[heavy hatch]

yeah i dont know tbh, i forgot what people use!

[heavy hatch]

why are you using choice scarf on whims ?

[hollow shoal]

Trick

ruins a pokemon

i mean swircheroo but its the same thing

[heavy hatch]

oh damn i forgot !! Awesome !!

[left raptor]

Mb only saw your message now but basically my garchomp always outspeed basc killing it with huge power eq, and for rain teams and swift swim bascu scarf ttar is faster and can kill bascu with huge power

[topaz lark]

https://pokepast.es/7750a039a0aae0fd

[drifting onyx]

Hey @topaz lark, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[hollow shoal]

Thanks

Is it good

[heavy hatch]

cool !!

[heavy hatch]

it looks good to me but you should take my words with a grain of salt !!

[hollow shoal]

Alright Alright

So you said archuludon will be good for the team and who else?

I feel like i need another rain setter

Not sure

[heavy hatch]

so the other rain setter i know is politoed and sableye

[hollow shoal]

Is sableye any good?

No hes lowkey ahh nvm

[heavy hatch]

sableye is good because of pranskter

encore, disable, rain dance set could be good !!

[hollow shoal]

I feel like i already have a good prankster setter 2 wouldnt be nice

[heavy hatch]

thats fair

[hollow shoal]

I know this feels random but wouldnt kleavor be nice for this team?

Ive never really used him so idk

Just popped up on my head

[heavy hatch]

farig can do rain dance and protect you from fake outs

and priority moves

[heavy hatch]

its an interesting pokemon

[hollow shoal]

Oh right i forgot about that guy

Can you give me a set which fits into this team please?

And i lowkey dont know how he plays can you give me an idea

[heavy hatch]

buddy im not sure, i started playing a week ago 😛

[hollow shoal]

oh

so should i lowkey not take advice from you😭

[heavy hatch]

like i have seen vgc videos but never played much

[heavy hatch]

just take ideas but verify on your own end as well 😛

[hollow shoal]

Okay okay

[hollow shoal]

Can you help me add 1 more pokemon incase i wanna replace pelipper and ferigiraf and not run a rain team

(With incen)

[compact jungle]

you could run milotic or primarina to have that fire water grass core
both are also in that speed tier where they can use the tailwind decently well

[lethal marsh]

Anyone?
https://pokepast.es/b157a4e192c6d335

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[compact jungle]

isnt this just exactly the cybertron team?
there isnt really any way to improve it at this point, the strategy is a month old now and the meta shifted to not have it freewin.
i have seen versions using other megas though. ive seen mega aggron to stall out at the end, ive seen mega blastoise using the tailwind to water spout, ive even seen mega scizor just because of the rain - and ive seen mega gyarados dragon dancing behind screens

[lethal marsh]

I thought about all of those but no one really fixes what Im struggling with

Except maybe mega gyarados

But still thinking about that one

Im not doing that terribly (Im at around 3000), but I don't like playing risky every time

[compact jungle]

yea its STILL one of the best teams in the format. But its just been so everywhere that people do have outs now
there isnt really a way to "fix" that completely, or it wouldve been done

just sableye becoming popular in both this team AND with espathra made people aware of it

[lethal marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-please-speed-i-need-this-tired-blow-gif-15401023925154467112

I just have to get better at the game then 😭

Maybe I could try still with archaludon sableye lead and sinistcha in the back and pray my dragonite is enough to handle it

I wanted to do more my own take on it, but every piece fit so well together it's so hard to change it
As I said only thing I did was changing up sinistcha evs spread so it always lives basculegion last respects

[tranquil anchor]

https://pokepast.es/2c5f282823108357

Fck everytime i go to upload theres no ping

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HI_9nrKa4AAgCpM.webp

[tranquil anchor]

Read the rules dude people arent here to help you finish teams

[hollow shoal]

I dont care

it is still used like this

Stop being a jerk

and let people get help

[tranquil anchor]

"I dont care about the rules so im gonna call people reminding me about them jerks"

[weak tusk]

thx for mentioning that man. those ppl just treat others like building machine or ai

[weak tusk]

you know what? pasting a youtuber team and ask for rate is against the rule here

[hollow shoal]

Never said that, i ask kindly for help

[hollow shoal]

dude its not that its js people like you piss me off in ngl its not that deep a brother just needs help

if you were in need you would understand me

[tranquil anchor]

If i were in need help id go to the correct place to get it instead of blatantly ignoring rules

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[hollow shoal]

well there is no correct place

[tranquil anchor]

Yeah there is

[hollow shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/miles-edgeworth-objection-ace-attorney-gif-14061172454652861303

[tranquil anchor]

#comp-general

[hollow shoal]

this is a selected specific format and it isnt as active as comp general so people that are knowledgeable will be able to help you here

[tranquil anchor]

Taken directly from #1024432517077540904

[hollow shoal]

Besides i went there in the beginning every time and they kept telling to go here for help

[weak tusk]

here is a pined msg of this channel about how we expect users before they paste their team here.
If you are struggling at other parts, I believe youtube and google can provide you a detailed team building tutorial, or you can just find a team sheet online and use it, learn from it.

[hollow shoal]

ouhhhhh shi

[tranquil anchor]

Yea im not just making shit up for the sake of being pretentious

[hollow shoal]

Man those are dumb rules tho

I always get good help in here

They never help me there

[weak tusk]

personally, 1 missing pkm is acceptable but that meganium is over my tolerance

[hollow shoal]

Whaaaat

How

He has a good set

its the averqge meganium set

[weak tusk]

I mean the sheet

[hollow shoal]

Ohh ok

I js wanted 2 more pokemon mann

[tranquil anchor]

Not being experienced making ev spreads is one thing

[hollow shoal]

Sometimes u gotta js ignore some stupid rules to be helpful and spread kindess

[hollow shoal]

Are they not well spread?

[tranquil anchor]

Not really

[hollow shoal]

Damn

Help me with them please

[tranquil anchor]

Ok well

What are your goals with the spreads

[weak tusk]

let him find spread at the champions game itself, or search and understand how ev spreading should be done, let him do the dam cal

those are all the things he can do it himself and should learn that.

[tranquil anchor]

Helping someone learn how to make spreads isnt bad

[weak tusk]

I would just throw a ”let me google it for you” to him but up to you

[hollow shoal]

Bulky special attacker

[weak tusk]

it's not just a matter of helpful or not.
I have no confidence of explaining better than those youtuber and we don't need to copy and paste their words here.
Moreover, you can search at your mother language to have a better understanding.

[weak tusk]

at least mention them one by one? you need all of them being the same type of spread?

[hollow shoal]

i dont know bro

I just maxed out hp and special attack and gave each spd and d 1 spread

figured that helped me acheieve what i was hoping for

[weak tusk]

that's why I asked ppl learn the team building first or use teams online to get the basic idea first.

you need the concept so you know how to ask ppl helping you.
instead of picking 2 or 3 pkm and let others build a team for you that you may not even understand how to use it.

youtube have image and video, youtubers put their work on explanations, why read the long words here if you gotta learn it anyway?

[hollow shoal]

What should I search in YouTube

[weak tusk]

I mean it, how about ask an AI helping you?
I tried a couple of prompt, it's not the best but fair in concluding tutorial online

it even suggested a list of teammates for me, provides a couple of youtube video, listed up strength and weakness of meganium, what role of pkm you need to cover those weakness, etc......

you have the team and understanding, play it on showdown, improve it.
then if you still want to discuss abt it, I believe most of us will welcome you.

that may result in a normal meta team or just a team similar to the ones you see on Youtube.
But those sets are meta or popular for a reason.

feel free to use your scarf Whim or anything after that.
but for other's opinions, they recommend you the best sets which are usually meta or common, which are strong/stable.

[tranquil anchor]

https://pokepast.es/2c5f282823108357

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[tranquil anchor]

Team feels decent, but im fairly unsure of what im meant to do with hydreigon

Also want some overall optimization

Floette ev's are (as far as im aware), somewhat standard, though i dont really know how my speed compares to opposing floette

Volc is ev'd to survive rock slide from opposing chomp, and hurricane from peli (weather ball isnt surviveable unless i go with a spdef boosting nature which felt like a waste)

Also speed creeps anything trying to speed creep jolly basc

Aegislash survives stuff from black glasses gambit, gengar, and frosslass

Farig survives chople berry kowtow, and weatherball from zard y (unless they're nearly max modest???)

I really hope i didnt just write all of that for no reason

[weak tusk]

yeah other than anti perish gengar, and anti scarf Basculegion, I am confused about that dragon. anti Basculegion is useful but I would love a tw setter at that slot.

for speed of Floette, I find many are faster than zard so you may probably slower than common Floette.
For accurate speed, you can keep an eye at the mega phase if both of you send her out at turn 1 and mega. faster mega first.

[tranquil anchor]

If i really want tailwind i would slot it on volc

This team doesnt really need it

My main issue with hydreigon isnt exactly its performance, its just HOW i should use it

No clue if i should use heatwave or earth power, or use bith and drop u-turn

No idea if i should be modest or timid to beat opposing scarf chomp

[weak tusk]

that surprised me...
it should be a slot that solve your struggles.
what are you struggling with this team then?

[tranquil anchor]

I probably havent tested it enough, but so far nothing
Floette is insanely covered for, Hydrei can usually beat zard, ttar exca MIGHT be annoying

Lass is covered for

Dragonite is a bum

Scizor cant break volc

Gengar is very covered for

Hydrei covers phox too

So on paper nothing

[weak tusk]

then you have no struggling, good team, congrats.

mega Aero hurts?

[plain kestrel]

I feel like volc can be something else here something that can take advantage of your trick room a bit better

Apart from hydreigon you get goobed by sun

Mega aero also hurts yes

[tranquil anchor]

Doesnt aegis beat mega aero bad

[plain kestrel]

Position your only wincon well into a good player

I think volc still holds you back

What does he do for you

[tranquil anchor]

Redirection support, damage reduction with struggle bug

Nukes sini with overheat

[plain kestrel]

Your goal is to set up calm minds

[tranquil anchor]

That fairy resist on the redirection is specifically why i went and grabbed volc

Along with steel

[plain kestrel]

90% of the time you’re just gonna be rage powdering and calm minding

[weak tusk]

yeah I would have snarl instead of u turn to keep dam+ debuff so Floette can set up. she doesn't get sinischa recover, damages will add up

[plain kestrel]

Volc does do that but who cares when you have 3 Pokemon that wall it in hydrei sneasler and aegi

[plain kestrel]

Agree you kinda want snarl imo

Your own mega aero might be ok here??

I don’t think redirection is super necessary

[weak tusk]

yeah that duplicates with struggle bug but who doesn't want to support your mega?
you may want will o on volc too

redirect can cover most of the phy atk which Floette is weak to, not that bad in concept

[tranquil anchor]

What does tailwind do for me

[plain kestrel]

I don’t think volc is even good right now it loses to all weathers

[plain kestrel]

It gives you a second mega option that pressures things like zard sneasler sini etc

While giving you tailwind support

You’re not draining kiss

You have no sustain

[weak tusk]

yeah, dam add up is hurt

[tranquil anchor]

Honestly id rather fix that issue by just going draining kiss

[plain kestrel]

Volc can be something else I think

I think it should

[tranquil anchor]

Team is more then bulky enough that i feel like i can afford dropping the damage of moon blast

[plain kestrel]

Apart from volc I think it’s alright you might get away with like

A basc there

If you want redirection put Maus maybe sini there idk

[tranquil anchor]

Something like this? https://pokepast.es/7f46ed79aa936029

[plain kestrel]

Yea like I think that’s totally playable

If you don’t like the aero you don’t have to play the aero

You can get a redirector

Maus is just better there

[tranquil anchor]

I mean yeah im not really using sini

Loses to sun

And sand a bit

[plain kestrel]

Volc doesn’t really do better into those either

At least with sini you get matcha gotcha and a reliable ability

[tranquil anchor]

I trust it a bit more with the struggle bug

[plain kestrel]

Ig

Idk I don’t think you really ever bring the volc

[tranquil anchor]

You bring it into opposing floette

Can also struggle bug blastoise which is funny

Im not dying to zard weather ball either so im not super scared of it unless aero is there which has fallen off

[plain kestrel]

It stalls into floette that’s all it can do

Even farig id consider something else ngl

You don’t rlly have pieces that take advantage of trick room

And you can just calm mind up in front of opposing tr or just play tr sini and a next slot

[tranquil anchor]

Anti prio is nice but thats fair

[plain kestrel]

Like I still think it’s aero

[weak tusk]

yeah, or Queen Majesty if you want it more aggressive, axel opposing aero

[plain kestrel]

That’s a different core

[weak tusk]

trop kick atk drop also helps, you don't have incin

[tranquil anchor]

I dont trust tsareena to literally ever land triple axel

[plain kestrel]

That’s whims Flo tsareena and that’s HO

Light of ruin stuff

Id put sini over farig too

You have hydreigon and aero for zard pressure

[weak tusk]

fair, sini is more widely usable here

[plain kestrel]

You can run Occa if you depend on redirection in that matchup I guess

But I think you probably want colbur or sitrus

Or kasib

[tranquil anchor]

So aero + sini?

[plain kestrel]

I think so

I don’t think you care much for fake out and priority stuff

And like sini can just click tr and get yourself out of that situation if you’re using farig for that

Role compression

[tranquil anchor]

Ok so

Funny

I ran into an issue like this in reg F too

I think sini flat out just isnt bulky enough for that

[plain kestrel]

It totally is

I hit top 50 on sd ladder leading sini just to set up tr

[tranquil anchor]

No sini cant totally set up tr im not saying it cant

[plain kestrel]

Colbur berry lets it live kingambit + basc if you’re bulky enough

[tranquil anchor]

But it usually dies doing redirection afterwards

[plain kestrel]

That’s fine

That means you get free position to bring in something aggressive

Sini also can live basc last respects + kingambit kowtow turn one

With the right investment and item

[weak tusk]

I was abt to suggest a minor choice, Krokodile, for intimidate +rock access if you don't like aero, also cover fire and steel and poison.
ofc he can't speed control though

but seems not a right time, nvm

[tranquil anchor]

Im not using krookidile

[weak tusk]

yeah that's a good point.
but his team doesn't have a tr sweeper to do so

[plain kestrel]

Yea im not saying trick room it up

I’m saying like it literally can lead and click tr

That’s how bulky it is

[weak tusk]

he can also gunk shot opposing Floette, yeah may not land though.
just a interesting choice, like he can also rock tomb. not that bad

[tranquil anchor]

Cant i just life dew?

[plain kestrel]

You prolly do like tr matcha rage powder + 1

[weak tusk]

why not?

[plain kestrel]

strength sap has its cases and so does life dew id do life dew

[tranquil anchor]

Is no protect on sini a thing

[plain kestrel]

100%

[tranquil anchor]

Id like rage powder protect life dew

[plain kestrel]

You’re not playing perish stuff

[weak tusk]

I never click protect on cha

[plain kestrel]

I think protect is a good move

But you need matcha rage and probably tr

Life dew is good for floette here

[weak tusk]

not gonna say it wrong but I don't care if cha goes down, but she need to catch all the chance to do her supportive job.
just a problem of playing style and protect baiting

[plain kestrel]

Yea it’s situationally good

[weak tusk]

yeah tr is useful even only for against opposing tr

[plain kestrel]

Like I wouldn’t click protect unless i have it on perish

Which is what I mainly use

[weak tusk]

btw tr is also effective against perish😂

[plain kestrel]

If you have pieces that punish it in tr like kingambit

This person has hydrei aegi and sini into perish that’s great enough

[tranquil anchor]

Hydrei aegi should like

[weak tusk]

yeah, she won't get shadow ball anyway

[tranquil anchor]

Dismantle most perish flowcharts

[plain kestrel]

It’s only really good into perish because farig pressures gengar and incin can’t fake out

And tr sweepers delete gengar

[tranquil anchor]

Oh yeah thats part of why i had farig

[plain kestrel]

You don’t need farig tho

[tranquil anchor]

To make gengar eat shit

Yeah i know but it was nice

[plain kestrel]

You have two ghost and a hydreigon that can pivot and threaten gengar

Yea I gotcha

I’d argue you froslass might be tuff with speed control

But like hydrei aegi are ok into her

If they have tailwind you can trick room

Ev to live blizzard on sini that’s all

[tranquil anchor]

Aegi lives lass shadow ball

Chunks it in return

[plain kestrel]

Good

Ya I think this idea here we have

Is better

[weak tusk]

is hydre supposed to be 32+ at speed?

[tranquil anchor]

Speed creeps adamant scarf chomp

So no

[weak tusk]

so is there 9 points left?

[tranquil anchor]

Yeah

[tranquil anchor]

So like after a bit of using the team i can say its definitely good

But im weirdly not feeling the CM on floette

Like alot of the time im only clicking it when im getting a free turn

99% of the time i just attack

[heavy hatch]

What about trying light of ruin?

[tranquil anchor]

Could.

If im clicking moonblast in most situations anyways i may as well have the nuke button on stand by

[heavy hatch]

Yeah I mean hyper voice is your spread move, moonblast your single target move and hyper bean your nuke button or last attack !

[weak tusk]

if that's the case, you would want to ev her faster instead of the current bulk

[lethal marsh]

Why are you so rude? Shut up man
I asked how it could be changed, not how good it was

You clearly don't know the meta and talk about stuff like putting archaludon in the front lime together with glimmora

[weak tusk]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1051236342740308089
how abt you read the rule of rate my team no.7?

I'm not the one who make up the rule

[lethal marsh]

That's a completely different rule than what you were asking for
And I only posted it twice, TWICE

You think you own this place or something?

Omg you are the same guy that said find mega blastoise team online

Lmao

[weak tusk]

I'm quoting the rule of the channel itself, not my own rule. Your action is against the rule no matter how many time you did.

[lethal marsh]

You just pretend to be useful or something?

[lethal marsh]

And I've seen a lot of other people do it, its not that big of a deal unless you keep spamming it damn

Stop acting like a mod

This isn't your job

[lethal marsh]

Scrolling up and brochacho uses ai as well 😭 😭
Its clear to me you just don't know the game and keep bossing people around, from now on you better keep a low profile

Joined may 16 2026

Pack it up

[zinc imp]

the

[cerulean sky]

https://pokepast.es/47d016b2ceae3441
I haven't much used the team, but it has felt rather nice when I use it. Are there any glaring weaknesses with it?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[burnt elbow]

your weather mus are lacking

[cerulean sky]

What would you recommend?

[weak tusk]

you are having 4 fire weakness...ok you can say mamo is not...and 3 steel weakness.
as for fire, I understand you have a arcanine. but is easily got eliminated by Garchomp next to zard y. you may not always pivot an ice type next to it, or even you do, what if chomp is scarf that out speed your forslass?
Or it's a sash aero...many situations threaten arcanine.
I like the rock head but I would put the sash or scarf on it to make sure he can do his job.
sash + flare Blize + e speed is a good combination.
Or you can make it scarf ttar with ice punch for chomp.

whim can use fairy feather set but you may want to replace her with other tw setter. moonblast doesn't help ice's bad match up.

thick fat Mamo is sometimes tanky but not as tanky as he looks. let's say he has the veil, what is he supposed to tank with that ev? cc from snealser? heat wave?

[weak tusk]

#1059704283072831499 message
@tranquil anchor @hollow shoal
to be fair, here is another user explained how ev spread is done like not more than 48 hours before we have the conversation.
We don't want to repost the same things everyday.

[plain kestrel]

I’m running something interestingly similar

But also different

[shrewd storm]

I see

[plain kestrel]

I’m not running delphox

But I think clef is fraud and you should be Maus

So you get disable encore stuff

I think acrobatics should just be cc

[shrewd storm]

Maus isn't tanky enough though

[plain kestrel]

You have a sash and you make your gengar and delphox tanky

[shrewd storm]

Cause I need my delphox to set up

[plain kestrel]

Clef is “tanky”

[shrewd storm]

aight true

[plain kestrel]

But it kinda is not taking glimmora zard aegi iron head gambit etc that well

And like Maus isn’t taking some hits well either but you’re faster than zard, you encore things, you redirect things still

[shrewd storm]

is good in the meta

[plain kestrel]

Both lose to sneasler but you have mons into that

[shrewd storm]

tureee

[plain kestrel]

It’s not really good into the meta

[shrewd storm]

I'll try both today

[plain kestrel]

I’ll dm you

I don’t wanna expose all my ideas here because I’m working on similar concepts

[shrewd storm]

I mean it resists dark, dragon, and w/ magic gaurd its helpful

[shrewd storm]

kyeah

[plain kestrel]

Yeah it does dark is a case you could make

[shrewd storm]

I'm also going to naic so maybe I shouldn't share all

[plain kestrel]

But like kingambit you’re already beating and redirecting with Maus delphox

Yea

Let’s dm

[tranquil anchor]

You're both lowk acting weird as fuck

Literally chill

[ripe turret]

this is what happens when all the raters are dead 🥀

but in any case this discussion should not be happening here, if you guys want to argue take it to DMs

[tranquil anchor]

Nothing to even take to dms, just people acting weirdly toxic

[ripe turret]

yeah tbf bro like what are we even yapping about yall

[tranquil anchor]

Though now that you're here can i trap you into giving me tios on the revised version of the team i pinged for earlier

[ripe turret]

I suppose if I must

jk lol

sure

[tranquil anchor]

https://pokepast.es/952746713d43657f

Obviously the main issue is that hydreigons evs arent complete but thats not here nor there

But like with cm floette

Im never actually clicking cm unless i straight up have a free turn

[ripe turret]

honestly

[tranquil anchor]

90% of the time im just attacking

[ripe turret]

you could go either way

you do have enough support pieces for cm

but I can also see the appeal of lor

btw for hydrei I’d consider snarl somewhere

over heat wave prob

[tranquil anchor]

Over heat wave yeah

[ripe turret]

for floe I also like to run more speed

131 for sash basc

[tranquil anchor]

Poison touch sneasler has also been pretty nice

I dont like relying on sash to get unburden

[brittle rapids]

https://pokepast.es/c0a1de28d3aace80 anyone got a recommendation for fourth move or an item change

[tranquil anchor]

Protect

Lol

[brittle rapids]

yea but idk if ima run scarf

[tranquil anchor]

Well its clearly not scarf on the paste

And if you do run scarf then go flip turn

[brittle rapids]

yea but aqua jet on scarf is another thing

[tranquil anchor]

Aqua jet on scarf is fine

[burnt elbow]

Any tips for my team's ev spreads and sets? https://pokepast.es/7e4a96c48e23f799

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ripe turret]

just do glimm>dnite

also sorry for the delayed response but there is no reason to be running bashful on literally everything

you also have no EVs

for your sets idk if I’m a fan of rock tomb chomp here since you don’t really need the extra speed control