VGC Rates

[zinc imp]

what in the

why are we using maushold without super fang and the thing that boosts the accuracy

[cunning tinsel]

What format is this for

[zinc imp]

tera fire life orb kyogre even

[zinc imp]

reg g of sv

[cunning tinsel]

Can't think of a situation u need to tera fire Kyogre tbh

[zinc imp]

better off running tera grass or water

weakness policy amoonguss is something
doubling bro's offenses aint gonna do something

especially with a supporting moveset

[cunning tinsel]

Randomizer ass team

[zinc imp]

sitrus archaludon 🥀

also eject button serp
why would you need it when you have contrary

[cunning tinsel]

Btw I need suggestions for this team I made as well

[zinc imp]

farig is quite the thing
you like to run it offensively or some

[desert stirrup]

Why do you have calm mind on contrary serperior 😭

[cunning tinsel]

Yea I like every Mon to be offensive at least a little

[desert stirrup]

Life orb isn't the best item for kyogre when it wants to click water spout

And weakness policy is just useless on amoonguss

Its weak, has only one damaging move here, and poison is not a great offensive type either

Just use assault vest on archaludon since you don't have any non attacking moves anyway

[cunning tinsel]

I think I should replace it but can't think of a good replacement mon

[zinc imp]

i mean
you could just run foul play psychic with tr and another move in place of hyper voice and tect
and make it bulkier

[cunning tinsel]

Non of my mons really want to be in tr except kingambit so it would only work against me

[cunning tinsel]

Maybe I need an alternate mega instead?

[zinc imp]

Run I m p r i s o n .

stops other farigs from doing their job as long as yours is still alive

[cunning tinsel]

Imprison tr would be useful to deny it

[cunning tinsel]

If I'm keeping farig then should I replace h zoroark since there's a lot of typing overlap

[zinc imp]

a fairy type maybe

[cunning tinsel]

Mega guardivour maybe?

Or Sylveon

Round on both farig and Sylveon would be devastating

[zinc imp]

the simple answer to round would just be
the dreaded disable sableye and its partner having an usable steel type phys move

[lament scroll]

would pixilate sylveon hyper voice + mega floette on the field + maybe screens to increase longevity work as a gimmick strat

[cunning tinsel]

Switch out would solve that

[zinc imp]

losing momentum is a price to pay

[cunning tinsel]

Mental herb then

[zinc imp]

hm

[cunning tinsel]

Or alternative move like quick attack could ko sableye

Although my team does get walled by zard y

[valid flower]

💔pal

[lethal marsh]

Need help against pokemon with snarl for my archaludon sableye team

I thought about changing dragonite for something else but idk

Found myself against another arch + sableye team, and theirs had snarl and mine could never pop off

I still think it was winnable if I doubled arch with dragonite and my own arch turn 1, but the problem is that people surely want to run snarl on other mons to counter this team composition

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elfin aurora]

@finite acorn

[finite acorn]

ok so I don't actually rate champions teams cause I don't play champions 😭 but the people who do know what they're doing got notified, and will take a look

it's definitely on the better side of teams I've seen tho

[elfin aurora]

Vgc Champions

[uncut harness]

https://pokepast.es/c6a531a7bdc8d665

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[uncut harness]

this is for vgc champions

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/4a0e16772b83a8b6

[uncut harness]

someone ping me when i get a rate please

[valid flower]

Why darkest on incin

That's new

But cool

[uncut harness]

it’s actually pretty good

idk if this is gonna be any good in vgc but something i want try

[valid flower]

i will try your team if u don't mind and see if we can discuss it , it seems really cool and unique

[mint bronze]

What happened to the raters

[valid flower]

idk probably busy

[uncut harness]

ok bet

i haven’t finished the evs yet

but please do

i honestly wanted to use gengar more outside of Perish trap

[mint bronze]

Hypnosis is kinda unreliable

[valid flower]

i was using a good teambuilding app yesterday now i forgot it's name

ugh

[uncut harness]

but with gravity it becomes more reliable

[valid flower]

website*

[mint bronze]

Yuh

[mint bronze]

Maybe u could run quash instead of protect on sableye

Make something that is threatening ur gengar go last and gengar hypnosis it

[uncut harness]

i was thinking abt doing focus blast

[uncut harness]

true i could

damn really

[mint bronze]

Yuh

[uncut harness]

but against opp kg

i wish the bottom half of mega gengar in game was more red

[mint bronze]

Nvm

[uncut harness]

it kills?

W

[mint bronze]

Yea i think so

[uncut harness]

i would hope so

[mint bronze]

Cause most ttar aint running sp def

[uncut harness]

i’m not home rn to try the team

so i want to try and see for myself

[mint bronze]

But tbf like u are shadow tag
With gravity
Anything that threatens you is getting put to sleep
M gengar is also 130 speed so

Add quash and even tailwind threat is getting put to sleep

[uncut harness]

honestly

i didn’t think about it

i’ll try or

it *

[mint bronze]

Unlucky sleep wakes is ur enemy

@uncut harness ur sneasler is pressure

@uncut harness ur gengar cant do much dmy

Dmg

[uncut harness]

wdym by pressure?

[uncut harness]

like to what?

[mint bronze]

Ability

[mint bronze]

Many mons

[bronze ether]

Like 4 of the mons r weak to kingambit

[cunning tinsel]

Oh yea I didn't realize cuz I'm not running into any atm

[uncut harness]

aii i’ll see bc i made it bulky support mon bc i didn’t think it needed much investment in SPA

[cunning tinsel]

I changed h zoroark out for mega gardi

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/6bbf43fac3aa775f

I wanna try out this different kind of trick room team. Any thoughts on what changes I could make or just advice in general

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/5839479c1c43fc9e

maero sylveon sand team for yall

[cunning tinsel]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2607313850-o2mb0lr0w9wqko80gxlawlxm6bauncepw

Bellibolt really underrated

[valid flower]

sorry bellibolt i wasn't familiar with your game

dayum

i think running tanky ampharos withous sinis is just bad

still trying to make him work lol

maybe i will run him in a dual mega team with blastoise

hard trick room

[cunning tinsel]

I think ampharos is better as just a special attack with a redirecter

[cunning tinsel]

I hate those tr Blastoise teams especially with mental herb oranguru

[valid flower]

is there a trick room and redirected in this format?

like indedee

dayum trick room fell hard without her

[cunning tinsel]

Sinistea is the only one that comes to mind

[valid flower]

she sets tr??!

[cunning tinsel]

I believe so but I've seen her as more of a alt to farig rather than a main tr setter

[ripe turret]

it’s only sini yeah

[ocean estuary]

https://pokepast.es/3e831c88aeaf34d7 Trying to make Typhlosion work (ik Hisui is better but if there is anytime to make Johto work, its in a low power level) I feel like since I added Farig to this team I'm not bringing Whims anymore. I've won more games than I've lost with this team in Masterball 4 so I know it can work but how can I improve it?

[vagrant vigil]

Did I cook or am I cooked? (M-A)
https://pokepast.es/91375998ddaca251
Sponsored by I Hate Sleep Moves Inc. and The Noob That Keeps Losing To Psyspam™

Definitely can be improved, I'm finding it hard to bring H-Zoroark to games but also struggling to find something to substitute it with
Also garchomp eats the team for breakfast

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/a16dc5a9b21ff7cf i wanted to try talonflame floette cuz it sounded really good in my head

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bronze ether]

is it fire or nah

im still thinking about wether i want no item acrobatics or sharp beak dual wingbeat

as sharp beak dualwingbeat is garaunteed ohko on sneasler

but deals slighter less damage

[cunning tinsel]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2607773638

Idk how I won after such a bad turn 1 and 2

[cunning tinsel]

Dry skin isn't the best with zard y being so meta rn

And expanding force doesn't do much since m delfox doesn't get the benefit of psychic terrain

[random harbor]

https://pokepast.es/da48c5813fff8c5e

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[valid flower]

What reg?

[random harbor]

the current champions one

idk what its called

[valid flower]

Champions don't have tera types my man

There is megas

[random harbor]

wait does it have tera types there?

[valid flower]

Ye

[random harbor]

oh i fear this is the wrong forum thread

[valid flower]

It's okay

[random harbor]

whoopsies

what one should i post champions teams in?

[valid flower]

this is the champions one

[random harbor]

oh

[valid flower]

Champions don't have tera types man

Validate your team for champions

On Pokemon showdown

[random harbor]

okay

it says its valid

when i check the pokepaste it doesnt have tera types listed

[spiral robin]

https://pokepast.es/19b011e58c2f393c hi frens heres a m-a team i built at the gym

[cunning tinsel]

Why no item on delfox

[spiral robin]

oh it should be the mega stone lol

it has the mega stone wym

[cunning tinsel]

It shows the mega stone if it has it like Aerodactyl

[spiral robin]

it literally says delphox @delphoxite lol

there is probably no image for it since it is new

[cunning tinsel]

Oh yea I'm dumb

The team looks strong

[spiral robin]

if anyone had any improvements lmk cause i def built it at the gym and prolly forgot something for something lols

[uncut harness]

https://pokepast.es/4fe1acbc3ca61523

rate this please

been losing a lot but i think it might be the way i play

[acoustic scroll]

https://pokepast.es/c6d04690b26512cc hard trickroom team i like it but its kinda hard to setup the trickroom round one

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bronze ether]

probably should run protect instead of close combat then

for mr krabs

[acoustic scroll]

oh yeah ty

[bronze ether]

also maybe more damage and less physical bulk on the milotic

unless theres a specific reason

for 32/32+ milotic

[acoustic scroll]

not really i always go for bulk on milotic usually

with coil i dont need as much tho so ywah ill put maybe 16 def 18 spa?

[bronze ether]

im running 32 hp 22 def 12 spa on mine with modest

[acoustic scroll]

ill try it thanks

[lethal marsh]

I need help making a team with rampardos

I want to have fun while Im not at higher team

I think trickroom works best but also not the biggest fan of trickroom

Unfortunately rampardos even with scarf gets outsped by stuff like sneasler

Maybe a sand trickroom team with tyranitar too?

Idk

Maybe a m camerupt centered team?

[zinc imp]

sun room camerupt is fun

[lethal marsh]

I gotta try it

What do you all think is the better trickroom setter, mimikyu or farigiraf?

[zinc imp]

farig

[lethal marsh]

Alr
So rn Im thinking rampardos camerupt sylveon farig
Maybe incin but idk

Torkoal could work but also idk

The charizard y venusaur lead is problematic

I think incineroar is a great pick

I could also try blastoise and make it rain

[fading roost]

I have been running this team on both showdown and champions (I like to stay consistent) i want to know what pokemon I should look out for when recruiting and if any changes can be made to the ones already on the team. https://pokepast.es/dad7e2b59375cc0a

[viral wraith]

https://pokepast.es/8537573db9bfcf06

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cunning tinsel]

Bruh I just lost to a guy using steel beam psychic Lucario wtf

[cunning tinsel]

U should change weather ball on bellibolt to soak so that u can always hit a pokemon for super effective and regain health with para charge

And y have a choice scarf Mon on a trick room team

[viral wraith]

this is not a trick room team

[cunning tinsel]

Ok

[lethal marsh]

Maybe after you maushold

3 support mons ain't great but I might make incineroar a bit more offensive

[daring fable]

What're your guy's thoughts on this TR team that I made

https://pokepast.es/07ab416f2d90efae

[dawn elm]

You probably want a Pokemon like incinroar or something with follow me to help you get trick room set up

https://pokepast.es/72a421f980b73c57

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dawn elm]

I feel like this team should be good but I’m struggling to win with it

[jade dirge]

you lack priority, which can be a problem for scarfers like basc

you could trade draining kiss for quick attack

i would also trade incin for gambit

its not doing much here, and you're alr pretty much set against sneasler

gambit can be a good check to basc and general scarf users

running iron head also gives you a way to hit floette mega

which looks like a huge problem for your team

i would also say run stomping tantrum instead of sd for when you dont want to hit your partners

but that one is up to you

-# sry for the wall of text lol

[jade dirge]

why is golurk klutz

before mega

change that to iron fist

also, having manual rain on mimikyu feels awkward

having too modes hinging on mimikyu is a little ambitious

especially cus its mimikyu

if you want a steel type, i would suggest gambit instead

that way you can focus on hard room

and then you can run sunny day or smth else that can benefit tork or your other mons

like hand

[jade dirge]

trade veil for moonblast

run chople on gambit, your team is really weak to sneas

rock slide might be a better option on sneasler, but you can test it for yourself

also, disable on gengar is just not it

anything that threatens a ko is either bulky enough to live a 2 hits

or just outspeeding

run perish song instead

[warm willow]

Yall got any ideas on stuff i could change or replace on my team

Ive gone through many versions and each feels better than the last

This is the most updated version

The teams mainly revolved around disrupting my opponents and having the ability to freely switch

[jade dirge]

hey, hes got incin mega gengar

itll work somehow

[warm willow]

Idk there are alot of meta ghosts running champions rn

[jade dirge]

i lowk think that scarf hydreigon is the most anti meta shit ever

[jade dirge]

aegi, bascu, gengar

[jade dirge]

you could try scarf hydreigon w dark pulse, draco, heat wave, and snarl

[warm willow]

And I STILLL havent managed to not run a match without seeing atleast one of those

[jade dirge]

fair

[warm willow]

Its honestly my main way to deal with speed because of how bulkey it is

I dont wanna have whim because it does nothing once its done its job as a tailwind setter

And its also a way i can stop that stupid bass

[warm willow]

If i wanted a choice scarf id run something else because hydreigon isnt allat for what its actually meant to do

[warm willow]

This was earlier today but im still dying 😭

This mf set up tail wind and proceeded to use knock off on my sneasler

Keep in mind im low elo so only someone at this spot could have thought of this play

[uncut harness]

alr did in my other team, it was aii but i wanna try smth diff

[vagrant vigil]

The gimmick evolves (M-A)
https://pokepast.es/bfbfd33e8a351a3e
Huge innovations in the electric terrain technology, user discovers rising voltage needs the TARGET to be grounded, not the USER. So it's not as effective against Zard and Aero, but I can negate my ground weakness with rotom. Haters will say you need to be grounded to take the advantages of e-terrain but I retort with +1 252 spa electro shot archaludon in e-terrain

Jokes aside it still feels very awkward to pilot and I feel there's probably some other mon or move I'm not seeing that can actually make the gimmick work or better support the team. I'm still relatively new to the game so it's hard to know when it's a skill issue or a team issue (likely both)

I considered adding a gravity mon for rising voltage stonks, but 1 gimmick is already enough and I tried building a gravity team the other day and I'm not skilled enough for it lol
I know it's possible, I've seen psyspam run it, but it never feels like the right move to click so it feels like just a wasted slot

[warm willow]

Jeez you seem annoying to vs against 😭

Seems like a good team though

[cunning tinsel]

Definitely one of the weirdest games I played

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/f3d46eed787a204f
Teams that worked despite being bad part 950

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vagrant vigil]

Lmaoo
Don't blame me, what birthed this idea was one too many photosynthesis sleep powder, coil hypnosis and psyspam

What remains is the skill to pull it off 🥲
Also gambit hard counters the team

[cerulean sky]

https://pokepast.es/90ce298e016244ae
I wanted to make a Chandelure team because it's one of my favorites. I've been enjoying it, but I haven't had much time to play with the team. Are there any glaring issues with the team?

[jade dirge]

you can use gravity on sableye to ground everything

also bring a check to chomp, as it seems annoying for your team

[hollow shale]

https://pokepast.es/fc2d2fde5007da04 champions rabdom bullshit lol

i love hail slop

[zinc imp]

one million blizzards

[hollow shale]

Blizzardslop or blizzardgem

[cunning tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/f6dbb564da8690d3

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[valid flower]

4/6 mons have an ice attack

[cunning tinsel]

I believe that's why it's called bullshit

[hollow shoal]

Can you add me one pokemon here yhat perfectly synergies into this team

[valid flower]

you want me to look for one for u or teach u how to look for one "if u r new"

[hollow shoal]

Look for one

That synergies with this playstyle

[valid flower]

i mean what is this playstyle

why do u have a torkoal

pr why lopunny with max speed

[hollow shoal]

After you lopunny

ok so let me explain you

[valid flower]

all ur team is slow

[hollow shoal]

double fake out lopuny incen lopunny after you torkoal and sinistcha and corvs lowk js there incase things goes wrong

The first 4 are supposed to be my team the other 2 are just bonuses

Also i like switching a lot in this team

[valid flower]

so after you is your speed control?

[hollow shoal]

Since incen and sinistcha and to get the lopunny's fake outs off

To be honest this team would he a thousand times better if this wanst vgc

Man I wish there was a doubles champions format

[hollow shoal]

Yeah

[valid flower]

wdym vgc is doubles

[hollow shoal]

no its not

You can only select 4

[valid flower]

oh u mean by that

[valid flower]

i really don't think it will work

[hollow shoal]

Aw man

why

It worked pretty well when i paired him with a rillaboom

in national dex

but national dex is straight arceus everywhere so lowk ahh

[hollow shoal]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexdoubles-2610650913 and you said it wouldnt work

It is a different team tho

[cunning tinsel]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2610658687

Stressful game

[near trellis]

Guys I'm beginner making pokemon teams, please rate my team and give me suggestions

[jade dirge]

do you need help on the items?

and what format is this, because rillaboom is not in champions

[warm willow]

Mega lopunny, you make me maddddd

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[worldly jewel]

So I absolutely suck at champions and would like any guidance

[warm willow]

If i everrrr vs you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1353966187536453632/1501056619629379665/copy_84AB2E72-E881-4279-9CC2-6FDF0A148B42.gif

[jade dirge]

[hollow shoal]

There are far worse megas

[warm willow]

Well first you can find a strategy you like, and then build upon it

[jade dirge]

yea, find a playstyle you like

[warm willow]

Idgaf, that mfs got scrappy and i got a zoroark team

Its so annoying

[jade dirge]

and archetype that fits your playstyle, like balance, rain, sun, that kind of stuff

then just try stuff out

[warm willow]

Ik kang is a thing too

And they annoying asf

[jade dirge]

if you dont want to lose rating on champions, try out ur teams on ps

[warm willow]

But yk ATLEAST THEY DONT HAVE TORKOAL

[worldly jewel]

I just wanna reach master ball

[jade dirge]

seismic toss kang is the funniest shit to have ever graced nddou

[worldly jewel]

Or better yet, not feel like shit when I lose

[jade dirge]

whats wrong with tork?

[warm willow]

Dude who cares about rating atp

[warm willow]

Wdym whats wrong

Whats not wrong about it

[jade dirge]

tork isnt that bad

[warm willow]

Its annoying, its tedious to deal with

[jade dirge]

prio spam beats it 10/10

and if there farig

just kill the farig

[warm willow]

Ykkkkkk

Ive been looking for a pokemon

On my team

To add

And prim might be good

Hydreigons terrible, meant to be a tank for the team but cant even last a hit

First version included whim but honestly it wasent performing well

[jade dirge]

i would say run hydreigon as scarf

[warm willow]

I might try using it again but with a slightly differerent kit

[jade dirge]

its so much better

heat wave, dark pulse, draco, flash cannon

trust me

[worldly jewel]

How to team build? From the start

[jade dirge]

it does wonders

[jade dirge]

try and pick an archetype to build around

[worldly jewel]

I have much more fun playing casual battles with not meta things

Ranked fucking SUCKS

[warm willow]

I was looking for a tail wind setter and i was hoping hydreigon would fill that role seeing as it looked pretty tanky, it has a pretty terrible weakness to fairy and seeing as they are running this format

Its hard to count on it

[worldly jewel]

What are they

[jade dirge]

archetypes are playstyles

like rain

or sun

or a balance

basically a way you play a team and make it

[warm willow]

Sun, trick room, rain, snow, any sorta playstyle

[jade dirge]

a certain goal and playstyle in mind when making a team

[warm willow]

Even perish trap

[jade dirge]

wolfey con perish

[worldly jewel]

Where can I look at sample teams

[warm willow]

Ikkk

[jade dirge]

i would also say change the milo set to the coil hyp one

it provides much more immediate pressure, especially against those annoying ass chomp sneas basc teams

[warm willow]

Dude i just watched a 3 hour vid of wolfey ranking every pokemon

[jade dirge]

lmao, was it worth

[jade dirge]

when your on ps, go look at the metagame discussion thread

there is a link at the bottom of the team builder

[worldly jewel]

I found something thats promising

[warm willow]

I was devestated to see incin at 4 😔

[warm willow]

Mb it was 4 hours

[jade dirge]

lmaooooooo

[warm willow]

And yes

[jade dirge]

crazy, i wanted to watch it, but i dont have time for that lol

[warm willow]

Kyogere narrowly bested groudon which i was also mad about

[jade dirge]

i kinda agree and disagree w that

cus like groudon did better for a lot of generations

and it looks cooler

but kyogre is just stronger in general

[warm willow]

But honestly my first team i created was inspired off of wolfey, and its the zoroark team

[jade dirge]

yea fair, zoroark is a really fun pokemon

[warm willow]

Ive been upgrading and changing it constantly to fit my playstyle

I love zoroark, its my favorite pokemon of all time

[jade dirge]

i find zoroark really finicky in general tho

my playstyle is hyper offense rain

[warm willow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-hisuian-snow-pokemon-legends-arceus-anipoke-zoroark-gif-25904390

[jade dirge]

the sableye bridge core

also, mega glimm is such a funny mon

[warm willow]

My playstyle is mainly disrupting and just going full offensive

[jade dirge]

it was like gamefreak foresaw zard y being really strong

so they made mega glimm exactly 1 speed point faster

[warm willow]

And what i like about not upgrading myself is that i get less restrictions to switch in and out with my pokemon

[jade dirge]

that was what my team was built around to beat sun

[warm willow]

Crazy

[worldly jewel]

I really struggle with pairing pokemon together and knowing who to bring

I need a whole lesson

[warm willow]

Honestly i used chat gpt to help with that

I recommend not listening to it fully

[jade dirge]

a good place to start is to look at type matchups

[warm willow]

But rather take advice

[worldly jewel]

[warm willow]

That mf SUCKS at telling you what to do

[jade dirge]

dont do that, it is terrible at teambuilding

[warm willow]

Ik

I took advice instead

[worldly jewel]

Do i copy a team from vgc paste or make my own

[jade dirge]

i asked it once to build me, it straight up copied wofleys euic team, but gave the incin cc

[warm willow]

It keeps recommending pokemon that arent allowed in pokemon champions 😭

[jade dirge]

you can take inspiration from one, then try to build your own based off what you learned

[jade dirge]

fr

[warm willow]

Ima switch out hydreigon back for whim and try a new set for it

But have tailwind

For sure

[jade dirge]

you could try tailroom

and have tr on the gard to enable a more offensive incin and milotic core

[warm willow]

Cant most of my pokemon are too speedy for that

[jade dirge]

incin and milotic work there

and sneasler doesnt have to be there all the time

[warm willow]

Then id have to include zoroark

And its meant to be speedy

[jade dirge]

tru

[worldly jewel]

Found a pretty good one

But the issue is that i lose even with good teams

I don't know how to use them

[jade dirge]

if your running tailwind, try basc instead of milotic

[warm willow]

Yk i could try going for a weird sneasler

[jade dirge]

cus basc does better into sun

[warm willow]

No speed and with the other ability

[worldly jewel]

Like double mega how do I choose

[warm willow]

Poison touch

[jade dirge]

ehhhhh

[warm willow]

AW FUCKS NO

I REFUSE TO HAVE THAT FUCKING BASS ON MY TEAM

[jade dirge]

last respects funnies

[warm willow]

Idcccccc

[jade dirge]

[warm willow]

Its so annoying to deal with and i HATE ITTTTT

I refuse to add another meta anyways

I already have 2

[jade dirge]

fair

[warm willow]

Being incin and sneasler

[jade dirge]

lmao, im still in ladder tour mode

[warm willow]

Incins a must as it remains the dark horse of the team

[jade dirge]

the rain team i sent above was the one i used during the ongoing ladder tour

i qualified

[warm willow]

And sneasler too as it handles many of the threats my team face

[warm willow]

Never tried ladder

[jade dirge]

so im still in the "whats the meta pokemon that i need to deal w" mode

[jade dirge]

their fun

ive done a few

i did the natdex doubles ladder tour a year back

[warm willow]

Im still in the “what pokemon should i send out” stage

[jade dirge]

i did pretty good, but then i fell off

[warm willow]

Like i have no clue what is best to send out

[jade dirge]

this is the team i used during the natdex doubles ladder tour

[warm willow]

Ill make a version of my team in which it can specialize in both trickroom and tailwind

[jade dirge]

it was really wonky tho, cus i only had protect on one mon

so i needed to be really precise with play

i think i peaked 1762 (?)

[warm willow]

Oh jeez

Ur good

I peaked 1400 😭

[jade dirge]

nah im not that good, and i had help w it too

[warm willow]

I started playing aboutttttt i think 2 weeks ago maybe less

Lemme check

[jade dirge]

i just played a chronically insane amount of games

i did beat number 3 on the ladder w this team

[warm willow]

Way less actually

[jade dirge]

they were using the fuckass espathra baton pass team

before espathra got banned

[warm willow]

Started playing about 10 days ago, got into champians about a week ago

I didnt know i was using the wrong format

[jade dirge]

nice, your team is really good for a beginner

[jade dirge]

lol, it happens

[warm willow]

Chat gpt isnt terrible

And i spent a great deal of time switching pokemon in and out

I tried sini AND IT FUCKING SUCKEDDDDD

Not suited for my team

[jade dirge]

sini is really good, but its only if it clicks for you

[warm willow]

Its good

Yeah

[jade dirge]

like, its one of those mons you either intuitively get or your dont

[warm willow]

But yk i dont look for meta

I look for what fits

[warm willow]

I get it, it just didnt fit well

[jade dirge]

my piece de resistance was this

i made this 2 years ago

and i hit 10th on the doubles ubers ladder w this

[warm willow]

Especially with the fact i already had not only a grass type but also a ghost type

[jade dirge]

it was the funniest shit i ever made

[warm willow]

Nice

[jade dirge]

i terrorized doubles ubers w this shit, it was so funny

ppl literally started adding lvl 1 imprison endeavour farig on their teams to counter this shit

[warm willow]

This was actually the first version of the team

[jade dirge]

not bad, there is certainly good synergy between your mons

[warm willow]

Actually i dont think incin was on here first

It was another mon

I dont remember though

But i really didnt want incin on here at first

But realizing just how amazing the champion was for the team

Changed my outlook

The thing is i dont wanna use meta teams because they dont look fun to use

[worldly jewel]

Should I just play casual on champions?

Ranked is so fucking unfun

[ripe turret]

well why don’t you like playing ranked

[warm willow]

Coil?

[jade dirge]

coil and hypnosis

the idea is coil gives def boosts, as well as raises accuracy on hypnosis

its really oppressive if built around correctly

[warm willow]

Interesting

[jade dirge]

it won a big tournament at the start of champions

[warm willow]

So like what about this

Coil protect, hypnosis, and scald

[warm willow]

I also decided to lean into a trick and tailwind team

And im making it sorta 2 modes

[jade dirge]

swap protect for recover

recovery is more important on that set

[warm willow]

Alr

Honestly i dont think whim can EVER be a good attacker so im thinking leech seed

Annoying to deal with might as well try yk

[austere swift]

Doesn't Whims get a fast Endeavor that can work with Focus Sash?

[warm willow]

Focus sash is off limits ngl

I cant have this mf zoroark die with one hit

[austere swift]

Missed Horoark having it

Incineroar can get one more I think

[warm willow]

Get one more?

[austere swift]

32/14/19 = 65, but 66 is the limit

[warm willow]

Ur right, it was meant for speed

To speed creep other incins

[austere swift]

This team has had some success for me, but I'm sure there's plenty of room for improvement. Among other things, I'd like some stronger Fighting moves and a ghost type.

Please. LITERALLY every team I've posted for critique has been ignored.

[jade dirge]

why is incin mental herb

if your worried about fighting, run chople berry

[jade dirge]

also, run multiscle on dnite before mega

actually, nvm scrap that

that is good for sneasler actually on second thought

[jade dirge]

corviknight is a little redundant

[austere swift]

Chople added

[jade dirge]

i think you could try sash basculegion

[austere swift]

I already have sash on whims

[jade dirge]

if you want a steel type, then you could try aegislash

[jade dirge]

then run sitrus basculegion

w protect

also, change eq on aero for wide guard or twind

eq will hit too many mons on your team

[austere swift]

wave crash / last respects / aqua jet / protect?

[jade dirge]

yea

other than that, your team is really solid

[austere swift]

I only chose EQ for how I have 2 other fliers lol

(and for crushing steel types)

[jade dirge]

yea, that makes sense

you could also run funnies on whims

change taunt to rain dance

it would make basc and prim extremely strong

[austere swift]

standard basc build? Jolly, max spe/atk?

[jade dirge]

yep

[austere swift]

er, I edited it to spe from hp as you were typing

[jade dirge]

rain dance would also give you more wiggle against meta zard y teams

[jade dirge]

yea, nw

spe atk jolly

[austere swift]

whims doesn't get rain dance

[jade dirge]

wait it doesnt?

[austere swift]

according to showdown

[jade dirge]

damn, thats bs

i swear it did before

or maybe im thinking about torn

[austere swift]

probably

[jade dirge]

i had a doubles ubers rain team w sunny day and rain dance torn

to enable walking wake

i thought that whims could fit that bill too, but ig not lol

[austere swift]

and thanks

[austere swift]

At least I have some decently strong water moves as well as Incin and Aero Rock Slide

[weak tusk]

ice fang on aero?
dnite change to froslass?
iron def on corvi if your fighting move is not strong enough

if you have froslass, aero can have wide guard or other moves, taunt can work on farigi

if you have taunt on aero, whim can endeavor or sunny day or fake tears for froslass/ prim

[split reef]

https://pokepast.es/a0140c016eac1106

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[split reef]

Banette cookery

[dense nebula]

ice fang gets boosted by tough claws

[nova inlet]

Is there anything I should improve on
(I’m aware garde has max spdf I didn’t notice until now)

Been having some decent success with it

Kinda gets walled by corviknight so I’m looking for any advice on how to deal with that

[lament violet]

https://pokepast.es/407b940b97a99677 hows this

[desert stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/ff3b94983d87e2a9 i cannot for the life of me figure out the last 2 pokemon for this team. ive tried several but i dont really know what works here. i think that my sets for the pokemon already on the team are fine. i really like using mega venusaur.

could someone give some advice on what last 2 mons to have? (not sneasler please, i hate sneasler a lot.)

[hollow shoal]

Well there arent that many mega lopunny users so its alright

its worse to be countered by a meta pokemon

[hollow shoal]

Please run knock off instead of darkest lariat

Knock off is probably the best move in the whole game

[cunning tinsel]

Incin lost knock off in champions

[nova inlet]

Did he deserve it

[hollow shoal]

Oh i didnt know this was champions

[hollow shoal]

Hell yes he did

[nova inlet]

Well I hate sneasler more so I think incin should get it back

[hollow shoal]

Incen has the best support tools in the game he doesn't need the single best attacking move in the whole game asw (plus stab suuce hes dark type)

[nova inlet]

Somehow both his dark stabs are somewhat useful in champions

[near trellis]

Yes Pleaseeee

[jade dirge]

assault vest on rilla

scarf on chandelure

scarf on mamo

run protect on kingambit and give it sash

give rotom the sitrus

if this is vgc, then give mamo a choice band

if its champions, give mamo a chople berry

[cunning tinsel]

I don't think rilla is in champions

[jade dirge]

yea it isnt

idk what you would switch rilla for if its a champions team

[cunning tinsel]

Idk milotic might be a water type rilla for champions rn

[worldly jewel]

Can I get team advice

These guys

I was very successful for a while but hit a wall

Like anyone to swap out or better combos

[quartz sedge]

What y’all think of this team I made with my friend? Haven’t put it in champions yet.

[desert kayak]

Zoroark players complaining about “annoying” 💔

[cedar moon]

how does this look guys :>

[cedar moon]

if it’s any condolences ur team looks good to me :>

hmm

i wonder what would happen if u replaced aerodactyl w whismicott and primarina w basculeigon

[quartz sedge]

Guys? What’s your opinion on my team? I want to try it out later, and the one thing I’m unsure of is extreme speed.

[worldly jewel]

Basculegion I can get behind

But whimsy im not sure

Standard choice scarf?

Though priority Tailwind would be very useful

[cedar moon]

yea n u would also keep the fairy coverage

but then u would lose rock slide i suppose

[worldly jewel]

Garchomp has it

[cedar moon]

yea maybe aerodactyl is good lolz

[cedar moon]

i’m actually blind i’m sorry 😭😭

[worldly jewel]

Its ok!!

[cedar moon]

ig dual wingbeat is a rly good move as well

[worldly jewel]

I think ill try that

See how it goes

[cedar moon]

awesome :3

good luck frfr

[worldly jewel]

Thanks :3

Ok I did the changes

[desert stirrup]

Anybody?

[warm willow]

Ehhhh, youre acting like illusion aint just a gimmick

Also zoroarks not even that amazing

[desert kayak]

[warm willow]

Its my favorite pokemon so thats honestly why im making the team

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/deef3cef9721be72

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[warm radish]

https://pokepast.es/66874bcfe09dae3c

This team is my own variation of Wolfe Glick's OHKO snorlax team but it focuses on using body press instead with yawn instead of fissure, and some other changes as well.

[weak tusk]

what's the eq on slowking?
I haven't watch that Wolfey video yet though

[weak tusk]

quite fair team, just want to make Volcarona either remove q dance or rage powder. I understand it's not that bad when actually use it.
and you may not be comfortable against rain archaludon? if that's the case, change Volcarona to sth not weak to water?

[weak tusk]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2608356385
I am not a pro at mega venu but here's a high rank venu team, fyi

If you want to stick with your team, snealser gambit Basculegion are solid for trial and error, but make sure you have another slot for countering skarmony and corviknight, also you may want a anti perish plan

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/d89c0110aea94082
Sees cool mon, makes team, fail

[weak tusk]

I understand you love the spicy pkm but which exact pkm is you want to build around?
tbh we cannot maintain the power of the team with too much spicy mons. If you want that you may want to try UU

[zinc imp]

Hm
Every mon who is not used in vgc often.

[weak tusk]

then UU is the way you should go

[zinc imp]

Meh

[nova spindle]

You seem new to vgc have you just put these mons for a purpose to counter a meta threat or just for the sake of it

[zinc imp]

For the fun of it

[warm radish]

The slowking was the last pokemon I put on the team... Actually, there might be a better move than earthquake now that you mention it.

but IDK

Yeah, I changed it to drain punch. thanks for the advice!

[quartz sedge]

If anyone is available, please rate my team.

I want to know how good it is. I think bullet punch on lucario can one shot floette.

[jade dirge]

Swap e speed for bullet punch

Its steel type espeed essentially

[jade dirge]

Also swap tr for life dew on sinis

Nothing on your team benefits from tr

Ttar maybe, buts thats enough to justify it

Life dew will be much more valuable

[umbral roost]

!shareteam

[drifting onyx]

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[umbral roost]

Although I love the thought

[jade dirge]

Look in chat, just put some advice

[umbral roost]

also not true

wait

Nvm I lied

forgot mega adapt

My fault

[jade dirge]

Nw, ur good

[quartz sedge]

I did swap e speed for bullet punch immediately.

My friend told me trick room to get rid of trick room. Life dew makes more sense.

Thanks y’all.

[zinc imp]

the rare modest sinistcha
real

[quartz sedge]

Should I change it? I wish there was HP boosting natures.

[umbral roost]

if it’s max spatk

why not be modest

[zinc imp]

i mean
more damage means more matcha gotcha recovery so yeah

[umbral roost]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[quartz sedge]

My thought process exactly.

[buoyant quail]

https://pokepast.es/9ace5c63b922b2dd
whats this team missing

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[buoyant quail]

oops thunder on mow. should be thunderbolt

prim is kebia rn so sash is available. but if its not needed on the last mon, ill swap it.

gleam is also very swappable

slotted in gambit for now

[daring fable]

To answer the Golurk question it's cause I forgot to change it. Second I do have a team I'd like for you to look at if you don't mind it

[bronze ether]

flare blitz has recoil

so u could lose out on gale wings

on the off chance that ur opponent doesnst target talon

u wont have gale wings

[buoyant quail]

what do i use instead

flame charge?

[bronze ether]

depends on ur preference

temple flare is also pretty nice

i js usually use will o wisp

cuz talon also naturally outspeeds jolly sneaslers

[buoyant quail]

ic

[bronze ether]

if u want a damaging move ig temple flare or blaze kick

would work better

[buoyant quail]

im gonna try temper flare for now

i have willow on gengar anyways

if i end up missing important kills ill switch to blaze kick

[bronze ether]

cooked this up for fun in like 30 minutes https://pokepast.es/a23a841fcfb52bd9

really wanted to try frosslass

[warm willow]

Latest version of the team

Lmk if you would change anything

What im thinking honestly, is sorta a set up combo typa thing, is threathen my opponents with a fake out from my 2 mons

And have zoroark disguise as one of them

And then use nasty plot

[warm willow]

Ignore the taunt, i switched it into nasty plot

[bronze ether]

what r with the milotic n dnite spreads

anything specific?

[warm willow]

Its an odd spread for milotic and dragonite but i think it works for my team

Milotic was lacking in the damage compartment, and yk whats the point of sending out a tank if it cant even shoot

I cant have milotic just sitting there

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/afacbc629ef74068

Thoughts on this rain team I made?

[weak tusk]

standard, fair...
may want a sinischa for recovery, tw on dnite is optional

[weak tusk]

icy wind is a speed control, life dew is recovery, she is not just sitting there.
but if she is killed before action, she is literally just sitting there.

but you have to understand milotic here is supportive instead of tank. tank you mentioned is like iron hands/torkoal.

if you hate low damage, I would swap protect to other moves, like coil so you can hydro pump to cover the damage

[weak tusk]

I can't say this dnite is perfectly suit the team......

[ripe turret]

this looks ok, just a few things

• what’s hsam doing here, exactly? it seems to be role overlapping with basc as a fast rain offense mon. I think you can fit mega kang here instead
• bulk out arch more since you’re running a slow stamina set, I’d hit the jump point for the nature and then put the rest into spdef, you can also do speed to hit stuff in tailwind, ex. scarf basc
• don’t think you need tailwind on dnite since you have it on peli and you’re never not bringing it, run thunder
• you could prob calc dnite’s EVs a bit better

[desert stirrup]

Hey guys I had a question. Is palafin viable in this format?

Since tera is gone

[ripe turret]

ts ate my reply again

[ripe turret]

it’s usable

scarf basc does outclass it

[desert stirrup]

Would it be good? Or just discount basculegion

Okay

That's unfortunate

[daring fable]

?

[ripe turret]

^ this

[ripe turret]

yeah icl mate that dnite set is not it

no reason to use the mega here

[warm willow]

I dont see anyone else to fill the role of the tailwind setter, and i cant really use whim because it gets shut down in many of the matches it plays

[warm willow]

You got anyone else you think fit instead?

Im tryna make changed to the team if needed and im willing to take suggestions

Im trying to make THE best zoroark team ever

And i dont mind starting from scratch either

[weak tusk]

What are you looking from zoroark? nasty+ sweep?
then you will need redirect to protect that glassy thing, instead of a milotic.

a surprise at the lead?
then scarf is a better item for him.
Round Gardevoir/ sylveon will be a good surprise pair with scarf zoroark

[warm willow]

I dont love the scarf item, it removes possible versatility while on the field, and removes my options of protect

And its already really speedy

[weak tusk]

if you are using palafin, scarf will make him a weaker version of Basculegion as a late game sweeper.
you can focus on his coverage instead like ice moves, close combat
or a haze user.
can he use icy wind?...but he can do more than just jet punch/wave crash
wait for the band and jet punch would still be useful.

[weak tusk]

aero, rock slide, flinch, goodbye zoroark

[warm willow]

Any fucking spread move will kill zoroark regardless, it doesent do as much damage as you think it should

[weak tusk]

btw I can't understand how a prankster user got shut down easily

[warm willow]

Ill give a huge mention to firigiragh

Yk you may just say dont bring it

But its not hard to not want to especially when theres a tailwind setter sitting there on the team as well

And it doesent help when its moon blast doesent do shit to types its meant to hit super effective for

Alsooooo

I already have a fairy type

Meaning id rather use that mfs attacks just a tad bit more, even though it would sacrafice possible plays like encore and maybe a tailwind when needed

Thats why i still want to have a tailwind setter

Just not whim

[weak tusk]

you know gale wing right? use it.
Remove tbolt for trick room

now you are having tw and tr just like opponent that upset you

[warm willow]

Gale wing on talonflame?

Ill make a version of my team that does that

[weak tusk]

I believe zoroark is special enough for youtubers making videos. search some for reference is better than just brainstorming

[warm willow]

Yeah i saw wolfeys vid, and i saw another one that uses mega venasaur

[weak tusk]

then what made you not using their team, but build this one instead?

[warm willow]

One, i dont wanna copy someone elses team

Two, wolfeys team didnt have the same format

And three, i didnt actually fully watch the venasuar one

[weak tusk]

that's not a problem when you want a ”strongest” team

[warm willow]

Thats true butttttt

thats a rule i made on myself ngl

I think the fun of experimenting trying to make my favorite pokemon work is just better

[weak tusk]

Wolfey gives a brief talk at the beginning abt his team building, I believe you learn what zoroark need and can archive if you listen to him.

[warm willow]

Yeah no i watched the vid lol

He talks about how zoroark needs to have a team that has good synergy with it as well as working with each other

[weak tusk]

then what did you learn from your experiment? hate whim? any others?

[weak tusk]

yeah that's it.

[warm willow]

Kingambit doesent work, um what else, hydreigons terrible for being a tank and a few other things

Kingambit might work actually

But with the way i was using it

Im not sure

Anyways i was going to use aero but my team didnt need another frail mon

I needed a tank

[weak tusk]

gambit illusion is easily got revealed unless you use the other ability.
but gambit and zoroark share incin weakness

so you know you need a bulky pkm, a tw user, search it at showdown.

[warm willow]

Yeah

Dragonite seemed like the best option with its ability multiscale

[weak tusk]

but definitely not a mega one with stomping bro...

[warm willow]

It has dogshit flying moves okay man 😭

[simple gorge]

i was gonna post my team but what are you guys talking about right now i could help

[weak tusk]

we knew dnite's moveset well...but you know mega dnite has lower atk right?

[warm willow]

Were talking about how we could improve this team

[weak tusk]

it's totally fine to hv no flying moves

[warm willow]

Ouu shiii

[weak tusk]

but not mega phy atk...except e speed

[simple gorge]

gonna reply to this so i can refer back easier

[warm willow]

Do what you need man

[simple gorge]

immediately i see Stomping on Dragonite which dont make sense

[weak tusk]

it made sense back at sv

[simple gorge]

yeah when it ran espeed alongside Chien-Pao

[weak tusk]

dnite was a beast that 1 of my opponent said he hates everyone using pao dnite

[warm willow]

What would yall change it to then

[simple gorge]

you could actually use espeed instead of Stomping

[warm willow]

Ngl i forgot he learns that

[simple gorge]

that way you can pick off threats with priority in the case of a matchup where tailwind doesnt work out

like against trick room

[weak tusk]

first of all, you probably send tailwind user with your mega at the same match

[simple gorge]

actually, what are some of the EVs on these pokemon (Milotic and Dragonite especially) built for?

[warm willow]

I sent it right below

[simple gorge]

oh sorry lemme check then

[warm willow]

Im probably gonna redo milotics spread to how it was

As the super tanky mf

[simple gorge]

i feel like you should do calcs instead of random spreads

[weak tusk]

or find some popular spread

[warm willow]

I have NO clue how to do that yet 😭

[weak tusk]

champions is friendly with that

[simple gorge]

then its better to find popular spreads online like Rabbithorn said

[warm willow]

Yk ill find out later though

[warm willow]

The one i was running before was 30 hp 17 def an 17 spd along with 2 in speed

[simple gorge]

mixed bulk with a little speed creep

reasonable for milotic icl

[weak tusk]

milotic doesn't need that much ev on sp unless you are tanking solar beam from zard or light of ruin

[warm willow]

I have lol

Many fucking times

You wont believe it

Yk how im low elo

That also means low creativity among the new players running meta sets

[simple gorge]

32 HP / 6 Def / 1 SpA / 22 SpD / 5 Spe is the most popular milotic ev spready from https://stratadex.net/ (where you can see common sets for pokemon)

[warm willow]

Ive seen the same exact sun team run atleast 5 times

[weak tusk]

new players running meta sets are totally reasonable man...

[simple gorge]

yeah helps you adjust

[simple gorge]

i mean if your set works against the top threats i dont see why you shouldnt keep it

[warm willow]

Ik

Which is also fun with the fact that I FACE THEM SEVERAL TIMES IN A ROWWWW

[simple gorge]

but if push comes to shove its better to stick to the meta you know

[weak tusk]

new players are supposed to be familiar with battle first instead of team building

[warm willow]

Fuck man its just annoying 😭

[simple gorge]

ye i get you

[warm willow]

I am new but man is it annoying

[weak tusk]

it's boring bc you should hv learn how to beat them if you face them dozen of time

[warm willow]

Ive been doing both at the same time, and although its fun making my new team i totally see why players are inclined to use the same exact team as the ones they saw online do so well

[warm willow]

Believe it or not its a lil hard for me to remember exactly what i did to beat them the previous times before

[simple gorge]

honestly using tried and true teams lets you learn what is and isnt good so that the fun teams you make in the future actually take down the meta 🫡

[warm willow]

So its not fun to face them still because its the same fucking team but its still pretty hard because i dont fully remember what to do

[simple gorge]

its crazy to say but consider taking notes lmao

[weak tusk]

or do it once more on showdown, save it

[warm willow]

Yeah im still new to the vgc thing so im not fully sunken into the whole mess

[simple gorge]

oh ye i forgot you can download matches

[weak tusk]

how abt we take a look to bro's team first?

[warm willow]

I might though

[warm willow]

Yeah i forgot he wanted to show us

[simple gorge]

sure, i made this Mega Manectric rain team https://pokepast.es/e23652bd42dfc371

one of my favourite good boys

i didnt experiment much with the EVs because this is my first rendition, but i think its fine

[warm willow]

Ooo

Looks fun

[simple gorge]

thx :)

i think its very fun to pilot, has a lot of control options despite using pokemon with high offense stats

[warm willow]

Just knowing that it has intimidate when it mega evolves and incin being on the team just makes me think

[simple gorge]

yes double intimidate (but i FOLD to defiant gambits)

[warm willow]

When is the champion gonna receive his own mega

[warm willow]

That too

[warm willow]

Yeah but its also interesting because you are able to wait until using an intimidate

[simple gorge]

the day he does is the day i either use em for the rest of time or quit for good

[weak tusk]

I love the snarl.
I am a little worry abt the weather control against opponent but not so many choice that can change...

[warm willow]

Aw man i can just imagine him twinning with halucha

[simple gorge]

snarl is great though i have considered electroweb for extra speed control since most meta threats (sneasler, kingambit, mega tyrantiar) are physical and most times speedy

[weak tusk]

I would prefer muddy over weather ball so you can still do damage to other weather setter like zard and ttar. but I know how gd weather ball is

[bronze ether]

Then js use modest

[simple gorge]

muddy water is hella inaccurate though

and i prefer consistency

i might consider it though the accuracy drops are no joke

[weak tusk]

snarl should be used to cover arch and you have intimidate for phy...

[simple gorge]

ah true true

[weak tusk]

of course e web is useful too, arch can take the advantage of speed to kill but he's the only 1 who can take benefit.
snealser is fast, Basculegion swift swim, incin doesn't care that much, pelipper...ok he may also does...

[simple gorge]

yeah its versatile but it really depends on the situation

plus i have twave on arch anyway

[warm willow]

I just saw a video showing the global usage ratings of all pokemon used in pokemon champions globally

And incin is only ranked 5#

Its that stupid chess piece

[weak tusk]

if arch is stalwart aggressive set, why leftover? how abt sash or the fighting halve berry?

[simple gorge]

because it usually stays on the field before switching out again (at least thats how my testing proved)

so i figured to use an item that rewards sticking around

[simple gorge]

what was the rest of the top 5?

[weak tusk]

I hate them took the other hp berry from us...

[simple gorge]

for real 😭

[warm willow]

Sneasler, garchomp, that fucking bass, and kingambit

Im never saying that stupid basses actual name ever

[simple gorge]

very reasonable but WHAT is garchomp doing there

[weak tusk]

is his hp maximal for leftover?

[warm willow]

Idk

Surprisingly i dont see many players using it

[weak tusk]

counter zard y

[warm willow]

OOOOOHHHH

[simple gorge]

it hits 165 hp without investment

[simple gorge]

its a ground type,,,

[warm willow]

THATS WHY THEY DO SO DOGSHIT AGAINST MY TEAM

[simple gorge]

oh wait rock slide

[weak tusk]

rock slide, outspeed

[simple gorge]

nvm

[simple gorge]

ye

[warm willow]

Yep yep

Also rabbit, i dont think i can get rid of thunderbolt

Its my way of countering zards

That bratty ass flying lizard

Ooohhh i wanna hit a heat wave and creamate the 2 pokemon you currently have on the field there

[weak tusk]

rain dance on zoroark instead of nasty then.
nasty + atk does the same as you atk twice.

[warm willow]

Oh you have a water type

[simple gorge]

ok now hear me out though

[warm willow]

WELL TAKE THIS SOLAR BEAM

[simple gorge]

instead of Stomping Tantrum, run Rock Slide

Dragonite learns that and its 4x effective

[warm willow]

Zoroark learns rain dance?

[weak tusk]

that's also a surprising choice

[simple gorge]

SV Choice Band sets went for it in some cases

lets you get a spread move on your win condition

[weak tusk]

I was using stomping ice spinner and dragon moves. good choice

[warm willow]

It does learn rain dance, thats really interesting

[simple gorge]

you’d be surprised about the coverage moves of pokemon

[warm willow]

Idk i woulda never expected this guy to learn that

Especially when it was introduced in a snow environment game

[simple gorge]

would you expect Incineroar to learn Drain Punch?

[warm willow]

Sorta

[weak tusk]

again, use showdown to his full potential

[warm willow]

Hes a literal wwe restler

[simple gorge]

what about close combat then?

[warm willow]

Well that would also make me inclined to change a little more of my team as well

[warm willow]

Obviously

[weak tusk]

Gyra always surprises me at his moveset lol
tbolt, power whip, temper fire

I was like aren't you double weak to tbolt???
aren't you a water type???grass and fire???

[simple gorge]

yea it’s insane

[simple gorge]

gulp,,,

[warm willow]

He learns it 😭

[weak tusk]

bro you know what? if you feel unsecured at weather control, snealser can also help

[simple gorge]

how so?

[weak tusk]

search his moveset

[simple gorge]

do they learn Rain Dance 🙏

HOW DOES IT LEARN RAIN DANCE???

[weak tusk]

also sunny day at the same mon

[simple gorge]

but doesn’t learn Drain Punch despite being a fighting type

this is absolute nonsense

[weak tusk]

he has claws that cannot shape as fist

[simple gorge]

it learns Fire Punch AND Focus Punch though

🤔🤔

[weak tusk]

but thanks to that shape he learns throat chop

[weak tusk]

lol

[simple gorge]

wait fr? it didn’t use to learn that in previous generations

interesting

[warm willow]

This is ridiculous

[weak tusk]

@simple gorge on my second thought, while you have your electric mega, arch's main weapon e shot is not a must.
and stalwart flash canon cannot kill Floette although it gives her a surprise. arch is too light in weight for heavy slam...but still a choice.

for coverage you can use a freeze dry + icy wind user?

for stalwart, mega skarmony gives you ground immune + quick rock slide against zard.
and another mega makes your opponent more difficult to have a solid plan and lead.

[desert stirrup]

What about a bulk up set

[weak tusk]

intimidate make it only def boost, weak to redirect, drain punch without stab is weak

[warm willow]

@weak tusk what do you think about making my team a half trick room team and replacing dragonite with mega venasuar

Because my team has a very odd speed spread

And i feel like i can use it to my advantage, while remaining faster than other trick room teams to destroy them before they can even get to use their trick room

And i can also use my very own trick room on gardivuar to have better chances against tailwind teams

[weak tusk]

I was saying exactly that you add trick room to Gardevoir so that you can hv tw and tr at the same team...
abt venu...what situation would you send it instead of Gardevoir?

[warm willow]

i think it would be the most niche and funny thing if i added sunny day to sneasler

[weak tusk]

you know mega venu is not chlorophyll right?

[warm willow]

No but what about solar beam

[weak tusk]

does solar beam do more damage than cc+energy ball?

[warm willow]

But does it do more the next turn with solar beam twice and a close combat?

And i think i can pull it off with my sneasler providing fake out pressure

[weak tusk]

just go for it then, do your experiment

[warm willow]

Idk what do you think

[warm willow]

Also i cant even try it cuz the servers are down

[weak tusk]

didn't you just complain abt facing zard y?
and now you are running sunny day

[warm willow]

Ooooooo ur right

Its 11 im not thinking straight anyways i got school tommorow and i feel like im about to throw up anyways 😭

Ill dwell on it tommorow

Gn twin